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Replacement for Jewel Cases?

Cliff posted about 8 years ago | from the something-more-sturdy-please dept.

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PsychoBrat asks: "I'm surrounded by jewel cases at work and at home, and although most of them are still holding together to some extent, a lot of them have either cracked fronts, broken hinges or snapped teeth. Slim cases generally annoy me because I can't tell them apart by looking at their spines, and wallets take too long to sort through. What do you use in place of the standard fragile jewel cases to keep all your discs organized?"

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240 comments

You mean.. (4, Funny)

StikyPad (445176) | about 8 years ago | (#15537192)

they make cases for these things?!?

HEy (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537320)

Fuck you.

Re:You mean.. (1)

patiodragon (920102) | about 8 years ago | (#15537384)

People still use discs?

This is going to be like a cassette or 8-track tape thread in 3 years. Set your ripper to 256 kbs and don't look back.

-KB

RAID is the solution. (4, Interesting)

scum-e-bag (211846) | about 8 years ago | (#15537580)

I'm in the process of disposing of all my CDs as everything I need is safe on my RAID5 back-up server.

To find anything just required a quick search function. If the item is an audio CD ripped to FLAC then I que it up, if the item is an data CD then I mount the image file... My storage space has reduced from several large bookshelves full of CDs down to one small box... As for power consumption, I live in a cold sub-zero-celcius environment and any extra heating is welcome!!!

Better than RAID (2, Interesting)

plover (150551) | about 8 years ago | (#15537665)

A friend of mine has a rack in his basement that has 48 SCSI CD-ROM drives mounted in it. He just keeps them all on-line 24x7. Never has to touch them!

Re:Better than RAID (2, Insightful)

slack-fu (940017) | about 8 years ago | (#15537752)

Wow thats like having 48 diffrent televisions all tuned to a diffrent channel, completely overkill. teach him to copy the CD's to a hard drive.

Re:Better than RAID (3, Interesting)

Wolfrider (856) | about 8 years ago | (#15537854)

Interesting. I just created a Vmware virtual ISO/CD Server appliance that will share (21) ISOs as drives E -> Y out of the box. (Linux host and Win2k guest.)

He could copy all his stuff to HD, run mkisofs, turn off all the CDROMs, and save a bundle on electricity + wear and tear. :)

Re:Better than RAID (3, Funny)

plover (150551) | about 8 years ago | (#15537898)

He could, but he's big into the retro-computing image. He's got a metric buttload of ancient hardware up and operational, and likes to be surrounded by Hollywood quantities of blinkenlights.

I sometimes wonder what would happen to his house if someone sent him an email virus that caused all his computers to attempt to calculate the last digit of pi. Would his sound cards start singing "Daisy, Daisy"? Would some of the old boxes emit puffs of smoke and a few showers of sparks?

Actually, I might suggest he install a flashpan with a few serial-port-ignited pyrotechnic charges, just to wake up the gullible non-geeky visitors. Tuck it all behind a CD-ROM faceplate designed to blow open on detonation, that sort of thing.

Re:RAID is the solution. (4, Insightful)

Loconut1389 (455297) | about 8 years ago | (#15537744)

RAID is PART of the solution. The problem with RAID is that it doesn't account for Operator Error (deletion), Operating System Error (corruption at the filesystem level), Virii, etc. RAID is a great online-storage mechanism, but should be only an intermediary to tape/dvd/'permanent' media.

While permissions, ACLs, etc, can reduce the risk, RAID still doesn't protect your data from the more immediate threat.

Also note that RAID does not account for fire, flood, lightning and other things that may irreparably screw over the drives. Last I knew, Ontrac and others still charge by the size of the drive, and if you're using big disks, you'll pay a fortune. With RAID, generally the platters inside the disk must be relatively unharmed (no gauging, cracking, corrosion, etc) since you cannot do a recovery based on the file allocation tables since you don't have all of the data on the one disk. If they can transplant the platters into a happy drive, you may be ok, but I wouldn't bet my inheritance on it.

Now, if you can afford to create two RAIDs and keep one (if one is bigger, the bigger one) offline except when copying things that have changed in, you're in better shape- and even better shape if that is located in a different building or even locality.

Re:RAID is the solution. (1)

dwater (72834) | about 8 years ago | (#15538123)

Indeed. With s/w RAID, you can get one big slow disk that is the same size as the RAID partition (or just bigger) and do a RAID0 onto it - then fail it and take it away to some other safe place.

Re:You mean.. (1)

Wolfrider (856) | about 8 years ago | (#15537839)

?? 256 ?? At 160Kbit VBR, I can't tell the difference from the original .wav!!

Re:You mean.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537598)

Ahahahaha comedy gold 5 golden manbabies to you good sir

150 CD book (3, Informative)

Dark Coder (66759) | about 8 years ago | (#15537194)

Get one of those nylon cloth book with a thick spline and over 150 plastic pocketed pages that holds 8 CDs each in plain view.

Re:150 CD book (2, Interesting)

jehdro (973004) | about 8 years ago | (#15537349)

Against jewel cases, books are an even trade or worse. Frequently-played CDs are doomed from the constant friction of being pulled in and out (despite the protective pits, dust and debris do get in and do some damage); not a lot of artists clearly label the CDs themselves these days; and if you actually fill one of those books they begin crumble under the weight of the CDs. I struggled with books vs. jewel cases vs. slim cases for years. The only viable solution I found was made by Apple and cost more than my stereo reciever.

Re:150 CD book (1)

bfizzle (836992) | about 8 years ago | (#15537381)

The clothbooks are horrible on CDs that are used often. However for some system restore cds you never touch it isn't a bad option. Just be aware of the scratching problem before use.

Fellowes:150 CD book (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537473)

I have a fellows hard-shell case that addresses this problem. The CDs attach to a double-sided split plastic plate, four to each page, 8 pages.

Re:150 CD book (2, Informative)

sconeu (64226) | about 8 years ago | (#15537640)

RTFS. He said that a wallet wasn't an option.

Re:150 CD book (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537779)

an eight-up book is not exactly the same thing as a wallet.

Re:150 CD book (1)

DavidTC (10147) | about 8 years ago | (#15538031)

He actually excluded everything that holds CDs, so the only option is to convince him that one of those things isn't that bad.

However, the actual solution is: Use less CDs, and actually spend the minute it takes to put them back where they go.

Anyway, I store my CDs in three different places:

I have a 100 disc book for my original CDs and drive backups. I use this about twice a month, and the rest of the time it is safe on my shelf. I never take it out of the house. I'm actually considering getting a fire safe for it along with some other stuff, as soon as I can find one that actually will keep CDs from melting. Sounds silly, but it's probably 2000 dollars worth of stuff, total, and my backups.

When I get a CD, I make a backup. I keep all my backups, and movie rips, in other disc books. These go in and out all the time, but, hey, I can always make another backup.

I keep all my downloaded TV series and some large multi-CD backups that I don't use that often on different spindles.

Storage (3, Informative)

z3r0n3 (665185) | about 8 years ago | (#15537222)

100 Capacity CD-R spindles for the cheap guys, and the huge super-100 capacity cd/dvd binders. You can get a nice binder for $15 these days. Both ways are very efficient and save much more space than jewel cases.

Read the question. (1)

scum-e-bag (211846) | about 8 years ago | (#15537605)

wallets take too long to sort through

The poster doesn't want binders...

Re:Storage (2, Informative)

Wolfrider (856) | about 8 years ago | (#15537918)

Have you seen this?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtool s/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=548251&sku=B600-2004&CMP= EMC-TIGEREMAIL&SRCCODE=WEBNPR226 [tigerdirect.com]

--100 discs/unit, ~7 seconds max eject time, comes with its own database/search software. It's even stackable.

--Alternatives:

http://www.storeyourmedia.com/-100-cd-stackable-di sc-drum-bonus-wallet.aspx [storeyourmedia.com]
http://www.storeyourmedia.com/-60-cd-stackable-pod -titanium-blue-finish.aspx [storeyourmedia.com]

--I use the 40-disc version of this one, plus an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of it:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?categoryid =pcmcat32500050007&id=1109233681431&skuid=7070411& type=product&ref=29&loc=01&srccode=cii_15720625&cp ncode=07-9481310-2 [bestbuy.com]

Re:Storage (1)

MonoSynth (323007) | about 8 years ago | (#15538300)

That's 450GB (at most!). I'd rather pay a bit more and have 2 250GB harddisks.

Rip them all?? (2, Informative)

riprjak (158717) | about 8 years ago | (#15537227)

Do away with physical storage beyond backups of your library... Ok, thats a little facetious; but it *is* the solution I selected.

As an aside, where the hell did the name "jewel case" come from. Its cheap arse polystyrene with some coloured paper and a lump of polycarbonate and aluminium inside. There is nothing even vaguely jewel-like about it?!!?

err!
jak.

Re:Rip them all?? (5, Informative)

CRCulver (715279) | about 8 years ago | (#15537421)

From Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] :

Origin of the name: the case does not derive in any way from containers for jewelry. Instead, the name apparently originates from watchmakers' use of the term jewel to refer generally to a polished hemispherical bearing used in a mechanism (high-quality mechanical watches and clocks commonly use gemstones, typically rubies, for such bearings because of their low friction properties). A jewel case has two moulded hemispherical plastic bearings, in its hinges, hence the use of the term "jewel".

Re:Rip them all?? (1)

kfg (145172) | about 8 years ago | (#15537485)

In other words, they pulled the term out of their arse for marketing reasons.

KFG

Re:Rip them all?? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537695)

Marketing reasons? Are you really that dumb, or do you just act like that on Slashdot?

Re:Rip them all?? (1)

Trogre (513942) | about 8 years ago | (#15537775)

polystyrene? polycarbonate? aluminium?

What kind of jewel cases have you been looking at?

Re:Rip them all?? (1)

riprjak (158717) | about 8 years ago | (#15538018)

AFAIK : The polyer used to make the "Jewel case" is PolyStyrene.

I DEFINATELY know that the material used to make CD's is PolyCarbonate (ok, occasionally PMMA) and that the back is an aluminium mirror... unless Im wrong :)

And thanks for the wikipedia reference earlier!! I really should have thought of looking there if it bothered me so much :)

Re:Rip them all?? (1)

xwipeoutx (964832) | about 8 years ago | (#15538085)

DEFINATELY
I always read that spelling as defiantly...

Paper Sleeves (2, Interesting)

azrane2005 (860037) | about 8 years ago | (#15537228)

I use different colored paper sleeves. Those packs of 50 in 5 colors from Memorex are great and disposable

Re:Paper Sleeves (1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15538219)

A friend of mine has thousands of discs and she uses those paper sleeves too. They are neatly arranged like index cards were in libraries.

Don't try to be too smart? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537232)

Use CD cases for CDs, and jewel cases for jewels.

Quaint little plastic disks? (1)

Ratbert42 (452340) | about 8 years ago | (#15537236)

Alcohol 120% [alcohol-soft.com]

Re:Quaint little plastic disks? (1)

Shook18 (878947) | about 8 years ago | (#15537423)

But does Alcohol 120% work for all cd's? I.E. doesn't copyright protection negate the effectiveness of it for certain discs??

Re:Quaint little plastic disks? (1)

X0563511 (793323) | about 8 years ago | (#15537591)

Only if you have a StarForce protected disk. And God help you if you have a system-related CD or a music CD protected with THAT monster.

Re:Quaint little plastic disks? (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | about 8 years ago | (#15537566)

Why not Daemon Tools [free-codecs.com] , which is free (although I'm a bit disappointed to learn that the latest version is adware, although you can select to not install the adware portion).

Depends on ... (4, Insightful)

Bad D.N.A. (753582) | about 8 years ago | (#15537239)

what it's for. If it's DVDs for the kids it goes in a folder. If it's essential backups they go in hard cases. If it's one of the zillions of other backups I make I simply title them, date them, and drop them right back on a spare spindle. They take up less space, they are as protected as any other method, and I know before hand that chances are I wont ever need to look at them again, but just in case, I've got them.

Depends on ...Extras. (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537348)

Something to keep in mind. DVD's need to go into cases made for them. The holes will crack easier on a DVD compared to a CD. Now onto cases. There's the question of any documentation or other material that needs to go with the DVD(s)* BTW you can also get hanging plastic pages that go into file cabinets that hold 4 CDs and CD-size inserts on the back.

*FEAR Directors edition comes with two DVD's on one hub. and two pieces of documentation.

Re:Depends on ... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537401)

I've had the shiny layer on cheap cd-rs stick right to the disc on top of it in a spindle. I'm sure the 100% humidity here doesn't help, though.

Re:Depends on ... (1)

Osty (16825) | about 8 years ago | (#15538226)

I've had the shiny layer on cheap cd-rs stick right to the disc on top of it in a spindle. I'm sure the 100% humidity here doesn't help, though.

Nothing a little ingenuity can't fix. Go buy yourself a roll of parchment paper (silicone-impregnated paper used for high-heat cooking where wax paper would melt or aluminum foil would react with acidic foods, available at grocery stores everywhere). Using a CD as a template (the clear plastic top "disc" of most spindles would be perfect), trace out a number of CD-sized circles, cut them out (a hobby knife or other sharp knife would be best, as it'll be difficult to cut out the centers with scissors), and sandwich them in between each disc. No more sticking!

Re:Depends on ... (1)

rhendershot (46429) | about 8 years ago | (#15537588)

I'm going to start using your spindle idea. thanks.

You can make an impromptu sleeve out of a piece of discarded printer paper.

1. fold along the longer horizontal in thirds.
2. place the disk in the pocket and fold from the left and right into the center.
3. scotch tape
4. decorate as necessary

Also, if you put two disks into one standard jewel case, it tends to get cracked less easily. The space being filled seems to help. But I wouldn't drive my car over it or something. ;) That works out for me since a full backup takes 2 DVD's, when I include opt and share that is.

NO SUBJECT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537253)

I want to get AIDS in my mouth.

Spindles! (5, Informative)

Chrismith (911614) | about 8 years ago | (#15537255)

Personally, I use CD-R spindles...the big ones can hold 50 or 100 discs each. Sometimes more if you take out those little foam things they use as padding.

It makes for efficient storage, but when you actually need to find a CD, it's even worse than thin cases or binders, because you have to shuffle through a huge stack of discs to find the one you're looking for...and that's assuming that you know which spindle it's on in the first place.

So...basically, for ease-of-location, spindles are a bad idea.

Re:Spindles! (1)

DavidTC (10147) | about 8 years ago | (#15538020)

OTOH, if you have, say, a bunch of TV shows ripped to DVD, that would be ideal for a spindle or two.

Of course, if you're storing a bunch of unrelated and hard to order CDs on a spindle, you could always just arbitrarily number them 1-50 or whatever, with the number written clearly in the same place on each CD, and then write down in your computer what each number is.

I feel your pain (4, Informative)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 8 years ago | (#15537267)

I feel your pain, man. I've moved several times in the last 5 years and jewel & DVD cases have been big problems for me. Here's a couple of things I've done:

1. Ive purchased a few of those Nylon CD case thingies at Best Buy. Okay, I'm an idjit for not knowing the proper name for them, but hopefully you get the idea. I intentionally bought ones that are very different in design so I could tell them apart. I have a grey one that I keep the DVDs in and a black one for backups. I also have a blue one for some of my PS2/Dreamcast games etc.

2. I have a big hard drive that I've copied a number of the CDs to. Nearly all of my driver and application installs are there and I can just browse to the folder and get it started. I've also downloaded cracks for a few of my games so I could do that as well. (I love how that makes me a pirate even thoug I own the game.) Every year or so I buy a new hard drive and move the data over. Lately I've been using external drives so that this process would be a little more laptop friendly.

Eventually I'm going to rip my DVDs and do the same little trick I mentioned in step 2. I have a DVD +RW DVD burner that my DVD player happily plays, so on movie night I can just get a burn going and play it. (More specifically, start the burn the night before... but you probably get what I mean.)

With hard drives as big as they are these days, physical media is becoming more and more of a nuisance. Netflix is looking awfully good to me right now.

Re:I feel your pain (3, Interesting)

Calmiche (531074) | about 8 years ago | (#15537439)

Regarding # 2

I've actually taken this a step farther. I've pieced together a RAID 1 array, using an old computer, stuffed with a high powered power supply and lots of 400 gig harddrives. (They are cheap. Yes, I know there are bigger drives, but I can afford $150 out of a paycheck easier than $400+.) I have about 2 terabytes so far, but I figure that with PCI expansion cards, I can get up to almost 3 terabytes, with fairly secure data, easily. If you want to ommit the redundency, you can hit 6 terrabytes+.

I've got it hooked up on my LAN, where all my computers in my house can access it. I've ripped about half of my 300+ DVD collection so far using Nero Recode. I've got subtitles, alternate language tracks, and extras.

Coupled with a couple of fairly simple little sub $300 computers hooked up to my televisions, I've got access to my entire colletion anywhere in the house.

I've done the same thing with much of my software and CD's. (Daemon tools is your best friend!)

What's nice about this system is that it's cheap and you can buy in installments. The computer I use is a VERY low end system. All it has to have is the ability to network share. I've got an old Pentium Celeron at 1.0 ghz. Buy one hard drive and you are in business. As you need space, buy more. Hard drives are getting cheaper and more spacious every month.

I'm going to upgrage systems again and turn my current computer into a second server. Maybe then I'll get the rest of my DVD's ripped.

Re:I feel your pain (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 8 years ago | (#15537455)

That's neat! Ever thought about getting a wi-fi enabled PocketPC with VNC and making a remote?

Re:I feel your pain (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537574)

Coupled with a couple of fairly simple little sub $300 computers hooked up to my televisions, I've got access to my entire colletion anywhere in the house.

Sounds interesting. What OS and software are you using? How do you use your system?

Re:I feel your pain (1)

scum-e-bag (211846) | about 8 years ago | (#15537719)

I've actually taken this a step farther. I've pieced together a RAID 1 array, using an old computer, stuffed with a high powered power supply and lots of 400 gig harddrives. (They are cheap. Yes, I know there are bigger drives, but I can afford $150 out of a paycheck easier than $400+.) I have about 2 terabytes so far, but I figure that with PCI expansion cards, I can get up to almost 3 terabytes, with fairly secure data, easily. If you want to ommit the redundency, you can hit 6 terrabytes+.


Redundancy and growing an array is now possible with RADI5 under linux. The cost is minimal and diminishes with more disks as you only require one spare disk to provide the redundancy.

Link here [iu.edu]

OT: Game CD cracks & piracy (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537661)

I've also downloaded cracks for a few of my games so I could do that as well. (I love how that makes me a pirate even though I own the game.)

Right there with you brother.
I started downloading the game cracks to avoid the hassles of the CD checks. With the CDs off in some never never land & the pirate checker on, I could never just play a game on a whim. I had to go dig the actual CD out of whatever plastic bin (toddler proofing)I put it in.

The problem is once I learned to download the crack, I had also learned where to download the game. Add to that I felt I got burned by being a early purchaser of some sequels that disappointed (I felt ripped off). Now I download the game and the crack. If I like it and play it, I'll buy the Original/Expansion combo that usually comes out 3 months after the Expansion hits.

So, in trying to avoid piracy, the publishers annoyed me to the point that I ened up learning how much easier it was to just pirate the game. Good move guys.

Almost the same with DVDs. They put so much ad crap in the DVD before the movie (Disney) I learned to rip the DVD, remaster it, and make a new DVD. Once you learn how to do that, you might as well get the DVDs from the library and make your own copy. Why buy the latest Pixar when you'll have to remaster your purchased copy anyhow? Just remaster the library's copy. Once again due to annoyance I learned how to be a pirate. You guys are doing great.

as cheap as a piece of paper (5, Interesting)

shack420 (821947) | about 8 years ago | (#15537287)

http://www.papercdcase.com/images/cd.pdf [papercdcase.com] Can knock em out in 30 seconds once you get the hang of it. Good for mailing and scratch protection, maybe not so great for rough environments.

Toonz R4 Rippin (-1, Redundant)

rueger (210566) | about 8 years ago | (#15537291)

Dood! Rip the tunz to MP3 and like toss the cases. Physical media is so lame!

Seriously, hundred of community radios tations know that there is no good replacemnt for jewel cases.

It Depends (5, Informative)

hahafaha (844574) | about 8 years ago | (#15537293)

It depends on two factors:

1) How many CD's there are
2) How often you expect to use them

If there are many CD's, your choices are either thich jewel cases or the circular stacks with the pole in the middle, that come with a bunch of CD's. If you expect to look through them, you should buy the thick jewel cases (or a binder, actually). If you do not, storing them on the large circular things is great, because it does not take up too much space. Essentially, if you want to have it, *just in case*, go with the smallest, least obtrusive method. If you want to use them, then go with something that is easy to look through.

Having said that, I suggest you stop using CD's. Buy a large USB disk, create a backup directory with a bunch of subdirectories, and use that instead. Or even buy an external hard drive for backups. If it's really that important to you, it's worth the cost. Also, consider backing up over a network to another server, as opposed to physical media (or along with physical media).

Re:It Depends (2, Interesting)

bergeron76 (176351) | about 8 years ago | (#15537375)

For smaller CD arrays, we use a used CDR spindle. Once the CD's are gone, it makes for a nice holding area for discs. That said, don't put your only copy of your most valuable disc (which you shouldn't have... - ...[the single copy, that is]) on it. When seeking a disc, you just dump the discs into your hand and shuffle through them. It's not as efficient as a CD case, but it's the smallest form factor you can get.

86 the Jewel cases. Unless you're shipping a CD, or using it in some other light industrial environment (ex. a labeling requirement) they are crap.

Your best bet is to get a decent sized CD wallet, and just take the time to flip through the discs. Using a decent briefcase sized storage wallet, you can [humanly] "read" 8 discs per page turn. It really doesn't take that long to find a disc.

CD-single cases (1)

piranha(jpl) (229201) | about 8 years ago | (#15537296)

Own any CD-singles? These come in a slim package similar to jewel-cases. Unlike most "slim" cases you find CD-Rs in, these have an enclosure for J-shaped paper inserts, designed for titles to show through the transparent spine.

So, versus jewel cases, you gain saved space, keep the ability to scan through a stack of them for the right disc, but also keep the fragility of plastic.

I can't imagine you'd find any enclosure system not based on a plastic package that lets you scan through a stack of them.

A manufacturer. [sleevetown.com]
Google. [google.com]

Identify constraints (3, Insightful)

horn_in_gb (856751) | about 8 years ago | (#15537297)

I think it helps to think about this problem and identify some basic constraints:
1. You want to organize a great number of physical items. This means you simply need a proportional amount of space, unless you use a more efficient (i.e. physical volume per byte) storage medium
2. You want a system that allows for easy access and identification of these items. This will require even more space, unless you offload access and/or identification to magical computer land.

Just writing those two things out has led me to think of a number of possible solutions outside grappling for some magical panacea to CD storage:

As for constraint #1, consider buying a hard-drive and migrating CD contents to the drive.
As for constraint #2, there are a couple of ways to go. You could buy/build some sort of system that stores and retrieves CDs for you. Then you wouldn't need a bulky jewel case, just a bar code. In a similar but simpler vein, just make a database of all your CDs. There is a surprising amount of information present in the cases, which is why you want full view of them. But get that information in a database and you can use a simple UID to identify CDs. Then you can store CDs in small cases or even a binder.

In fact, if you go to a UID system, you can put all your CDs in one of those big binders. If you keep them ordered by UID then you can access via binary search -- get your big O down to log(n)!

Re:Identify constraints (2, Informative)

terry (89685) | about 8 years ago | (#15537420)

Either print the barcode directly on the disc with an inkjet or use the Avery labels for CDs. They even make printable labels that go on the little portion of the CD in the center (not the hole).

I went the no-tech and lazy way. I bought a bunch of the tyvek sleeves. I don't write on the sleeves, but I write directly on the disc with a marker. I throw the CD in any available sleeve, and put it in some reasonable order. I can usually find something quickly, but sometimes it takes a while.

Unless you're some sort of clean-o-maniac who lives for everything to have a place, realize it's a crappy media for storing in bulk and do something that gets you most of what you want. If you take 40 hours over a span of time to organize this stuff are you ever going to recoup that time? I don't know how often I've gone overboard for this stuff.

Replacement for jewel cases? (1)

reklusband (862215) | about 8 years ago | (#15537309)

Bittorrent. Thumb drive.

Incredible (3, Informative)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 8 years ago | (#15537310)

Just incredible. Over a dozen posts, and not a single person has stated the obvious.

Amaray DVD Cases [usplastic.com]

They come in regular size and super-slim. You can place artwork inside that covers the front, back, AND spine. If you don't want artwork, you can get them in clear form. They fit on a standard bookshelf. They're made of durable, flexible plastic so they won't wear to anywhere near the same degree as CD cases. They can hold manuals, and other materials on the inside. You can get them in forms that hold multiple disks. Etc., etc., etc.

Basically, they're the nearest thing to a perfect case.

Re:Incredible (2, Funny)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 8 years ago | (#15537437)

Excuse me Mr. Moderator, but how can the first person to suggest the use of Amaray DVD cases for CDs be "Redundant?" Yeash.

Incredible-Chicken coup. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537563)

"Excuse me Mr. Moderator, but how can the first person to suggest the use of Amaray DVD cases for CDs be "Redundant?" Yeash."

Someone's trying to show that Taco's "prisoners run the prisons" solution to the "too cheap to pay for knowledgable editors" problem, doesn't work. I'd say they're doing a spetacular job.

Looks like an ad (OT) (2, Insightful)

OldMiner (589872) | about 8 years ago | (#15537706)

I'm wagering the reason you're getting no love is that you linked directly to a page to buy the thing. There's a fair bit of anti-commercialism on Slashdot, and some might feel you're sort of astroturfing.

And, sometimes, "Redundant" is the best way to mod down a post if "Troll" and "Flaimbait" and so on don't work. It comes with the added bonus you're a lot less likely to get hit on M2 with it, because who's going to read all of the comments to see if you're really and truly redundant?

Re:Incredible (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537547)

In terms of quality, this is probably the way to go.

Re:Incredible (2, Insightful)

Myself (57572) | about 8 years ago | (#15537899)

I've never understood how "fit on standard bookshelves" was a feature of DVD cases. They're bulkier than jewel cases, which fit just fine on bookshelves and in a variety of other places that DVD cases do NOT.

I'm not trying to defend jewel cases here, they're obnoxiously brittle and the little disc-hub latches don't work very well. But when people talk about DVD cases fitting on bookshelves like it's something new, I want to smack them.

Re:Incredible (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 8 years ago | (#15538014)

I've never understood how "fit on standard bookshelves" was a feature of DVD cases.

Simple. They don't just fit on bookshelves, they fit on bookshelves well. When you pack a large number of CDs next to each other, the weight and friction places a great deal of strain upon the cases. This dramatically reduces their life-expectency, and may lead to scratching, chipping, and cracking. Even worse, the edges of the CD cases can cause even more friction when trying to add or remove a jewel case from the shelf. This friction is translated to all the cases in the row, often causing damage to their brittle cases.

With Amaray containers, they're designed to be somewhat flexible (like books) so that they can absorb many forms of pressure or friction without damage. In addition, all the edges have been smoothed out to reduce the amount of "catching" and extra friction caused by adding or removing the case from the shelf. In fact, a DVD case should never "catch" on its neighbors in the same way a Jewel Case does.

www.newegg.com (1)

Borgschulze (842056) | about 8 years ago | (#15537313)

Go to www.newegg.com, order a 750gb 7200.10 HDD, that should hold more than enough music, and it's all contained in a 3.5" Chunk of metal.

A Few Solutions (2, Insightful)

miyako (632510) | about 8 years ago | (#15537327)

There are really a few solutions, depending on how many disks your trying to keep track of and how often you actually need to get to them.
If you are talking about a relatively small number of disks that you are going to access often, then the best solution is probably just copy the disk images to your hard drive. It's pretty simple to mount an image under Linux, and I believe there are programs available to do it under Windows too (though some games I think break this programs to prevent piracy). I'm not sure about OS X, since I've never actually had to do it.
If you don't feel like (or can't) rip disks to your hard drive, and are still working with only a couple hunderd disks, then you might consider one of those holders that hangs on the wall. Not sure what they are called, think geek was selling them a while back. Basically, it's a big thing you hang on the wall, and put your disks in them so they face out. These work best if you don't have a bunch of disks that look the same (though you could always use a bit of tape and marker to label them).
If you have a lot of disks that you need to get to occasionally, then the best solution is probably just to buy replacement jewel cases. They are pretty cheap in bulk and you can just transfer the liners into the new jewel case when the old one busts. This scales pretty well and you can just stick them on a shelf and quickly find what you need.
Finally, if you have things that you almost never need to get to, or if you need to get to a bunch of cds at the same time (say, an OS disk, plus all driver disks, and software) then CD spindles seem to take the least amount of space. Just group the disks by task or category, then label them.
If you go the replacement jewel case route, you might just consider getting DVD cases. I find that they are a bit more sturdy than regular jewel cases, and still fit well in rows on shelves.

Re:A Few Solutions (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 8 years ago | (#15537391)

I'm not sure about OS X, since I've never actually had to do it.

The OS X disk tools make it incredibly easy to rip disks, then use the virtual media as if it were real media. For example, the Super Wing Commander disc I acquired was in serviceable condition, but I wouldn't trust it to continue operating for the long haul. So I ripped the disc, and stuck the physical media into storage. Whenever I want to play a game, I simply double click on the disk image to mounts it and go.

Ejectors (4, Informative)

squisher (212661) | about 8 years ago | (#15537346)

They are slim cases, but otherwise they are really great: Ejector CD cases [google.com] . I don't know if they have them in full jewel case width though, probably not, but that's the best I'm aware of.

A disc carousel (2, Interesting)

agm (467017) | about 8 years ago | (#15537352)

Awesome! (1)

NineNine (235196) | about 8 years ago | (#15537456)

That is just awesome. I'm buying one.

Re:A disc carousel (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15538292)

yes I have a couple at work. The mac discs go in one unit and the pc discs in another.
The database could be much better (it isn't afull borrowing library solution and is MS Access based). I'd just to see them make a model that includes a dvd reader so it could scan the info it without you haven't to use an internal drive - also that would stop you hopefully returning the wrong disc.
The construction is a little suspect - I've had to reset it and had to open it up when it allowed two discs into one slot. Also you can't transport the unit around with discs inside...Still it is better than a bunch of scratched up discs..

My method (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537357)

I use big (bulky) boxes for the music CDs and anything which needs to be in a jewel case. The CDs are indexed and the index is online (of course).

For movie DVDs which I burn, I have a folder with a capacity of about 150. That's so I can get to them easily. I don't bother with indexing this one.

For CDs and DVDs which I burn containing data (backups, etc) I index each disk and add it to my current spindle. I have a few spindles of 100 discs and the rest are 50 discs each. It works fine because I have a spare spindle, so when I empty a spindle of blanks, that spindle gets filled later with burned discs.

Spindles (2, Interesting)

MikeDawg (721537) | about 8 years ago | (#15537385)

I have more spindles laying around my work and home than you can imagine. They are cheap and plentiful, and I have a million of them. The only bad side comes to the true organization of CDs. If you are somewhat good with "poor" organization, you can keep different CD/DVDs in different spindles.

This... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537399)

This thing:
http://www.midi-classics.com/h/h26554.htm [midi-classics.com]

CD Filing Cabinet (1)

labal (804733) | about 8 years ago | (#15537454)

I use a little filing cabinet type thing I picked up from a department store near where I live. There was a pretty wide variety of sizes and shapes. The one I have hold 100 CD's. Basically you file each CD into a number sleeve, then use the provided index to catalog what's contained with in. Easy to use, and far more efficient that stacks of CD cases.

Clamshell cases! (1)

bassgoonist (876907) | about 8 years ago | (#15537493)

http://www.meritline.com/neracoclcddv.html [meritline.com] these are perfect, as a test I chucked one of these with a cd in it against a brick wall from 6 feet at full force...the case it self was scratched, but not broken, and the cd was fine. worked for me but I wouldn't suggest it on a regular basis as ymmv.

Re:Clamshell cases! (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 8 years ago | (#15537617)

I wouldn't say they're "perfect". I use them to hold otherwise loose CDs that I don't place a very high value on. (e.g. CDs included with books, demo discs, compilations, just about anything in a paper sleeve, etc.) If the disc is worth protecting, though, I try to either replace the Jewel Case (not that hard, but time consuming) or place it in an Amaray DVD Case.

What did you do? (1)

LittleBigScript (618162) | about 8 years ago | (#15537532)

How come the cases are snapped or broken? Do you want to put all the CD's and DVD's in a big envelope, or would that be at risk to be damaged as well?

Jukebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15537565)

n/t

Tell ya what I do (2, Informative)

svunt (916464) | about 8 years ago | (#15537596)

I use catalogs and cases. For my 1300 data-filled dvds (legitimate backups, honest!) I use a nifty app called SuperCat which lets me browse all of my discs in an explorer-like interface, and is fully searchable. My discs are all in label order, so on average it takes me 30 seconds to find what I'm looking for in SuperCat, find the disc, and get it in the drive. For proper audio CDs or film DVDs, duh, store them alphabetically, in wallets or slimlines, or use another of many available catalog apps.

Univenture (2, Informative)

smilinggoat (443212) | about 8 years ago | (#15537614)

I used to DJ for a college radio station [kcsb.org] and I found my CD's would get scratched using a big binder because of tiny bits of dirt would make holes in the data layer from the weight of all the other full CD pages on top of each other.

Now I swear by the Viewpak XG by Univenture [univenture.com] (bottom of the page). They are heavy duty vinyl slips with a soft backing for 1 CD/DVD, a slip for the front cover of the album, and a back slip behind the CD for the back cover of the album.

They have packages without the artwork slips if you don't need them.

These things are real slim, robust, and if you need to order alphabetically or whatever, it's very easy to add or subtract from your collection without having to mess with everything (ie, in a binder).

They also sell Storage Boxes [univenture.com] that are just the right size for the packs, or course you can just use shoe boxes or home-made wood crates like me.

Univenture has at least one customer for life. Long live physical media!

In praise of univenture (2)

David Jao (2759) | about 8 years ago | (#15538015)

I have no relationship with Univenture except as a satisfied customer. Like the parent poster, I strongly recommend Univenture products for CD/DVD storage.

The main advantage of Univenture disc sleeves is that they don't scratch the disc. This holds true whether you leave the discs in the sleeves for a long time or constantly take the discs in and out of the sleeves. I have been actively using them for YEARS with no visible disc scratching. In addition, their disc wallets have paper labels on the spines, which means (unlike other CD wallets) you can label the spines and thereby easily tell from looking at the spines which wallet a particular disc is in -- and yes, the spines are wide enough to hold disc titles for every disc inside, although you may have to write small.

The Univenture disc wallets have plastic outer shells which are considerably more durable than standard jewel cases. In terms of space consumption, they are comparable to spindles, because of the thinness of the sleeves. The only real drawback is the cost -- on a per-disc basis they literally cost more than blank media. Still, compared to the value of the data that I keep on my discs, the cost of providing good storage for the discs is well worth it.

Digital Backup way to go (1)

Dilpo (980613) | about 8 years ago | (#15537629)

The route I chose to take for this situation is rip images of all my CD/DVD's and store them on one of three 300gig hd's wich I keep nicely tucked away in staticproof bags and the little supports they come in. Then I take all my CD/DVD's and organise them by music/movie/software and put them in seperate boxes further organising them alphabetically in their respective box which gets stowed away. Then for whatever I need at that current moment be it a game that requires the CD (if I cant find a no-cd crack but then again I give up easily) I just burn to a CD/DVD and keep that out in those pesky jewel cases so I can actually read the label I write on it. If I beat a game, get bored with it, overwatch that DVD or the CD/DVD just gets to scratched and I cant be bothered to burn another one it just gets thrown out. Installing software I try to avoid burning a cd just to install it once but you get the idea, you have two backups one is digital for easy access and the other is the originals just incase.

Caddies, or a big changer/jukebox (2, Informative)

ecloud (3022) | about 8 years ago | (#15537633)

If you have the old caddy-type CD drive, a big pile of caddies is a good storage option. That way you never touch the discs themselves, so avoid the scratches and fingerprints. But those drives are getting hard to find. Personally I got a lot of caddies on ebay, but have had too much trouble with the drives (and besides, SCSI is its own hassle). I also got a rack-mount box with 8 caddy-type drives in it, and my plan was to put a low-end motherboard inside and use Linux to serve up individual NFS and Samba exports; but then I would have to deal with issues like automounting/unmounting on access, and a software eject mechanism that works across the network. I haven't gotten around to it so far. By the time I do, CD's may be obsolete.

I also got an NSM 100-CD jukebox on ebay. It has SCSI for the drive, and RS-232 to control the robot. I managed to find specs for the control protocol on the net, so wrote a program to control it. At one point I had an automount lashup that would automatically load the right disc when it is accessed, but it didn't work quite right, so I was going to reimplement it using FUSE. I haven't gotten around to that project, either.

Nowadays hard drives are just too cheap. Might as well consolidate all those discs in one place.

Re:Caddies, or a big changer/jukebox (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15538188)

Do you want more caddies?

Seriously, if you do, post some contact method or mailing address...

Paper (5, Informative)

value_added (719364) | about 8 years ago | (#15537730)

Inexpensive, biodegradable, and easy. Also helps you rid yourself of the notion that CDs/DVDs are anything more than bits of plastic that somehow merit being displayed on a shelf.

I went through this a couple of years ago. I had just under 2K CDs and spent a few weeks investigating storage alternatives which included everything from the consumer oriented 100-CD display racks for your living room, to large capacity wooden shelving, to painfully expensive specialised office cabinets. Complete waste of time.

Now, everything gets put into a paper window-less sleeve. Each CD gets a number, the relevant info is keyed into a database, and a simple label is applied to the outside of the sleeve. I figure it takes me about 20 seconds for each CD. Compare that to the time and expense of designing/printing/cutting up inserts for jewel cases (slim or otherwise), and you get the idea. If a database isn't your kind of thing, grepping a simple list should work just fine. As a side note, I entertained the idea of printing on the sleeves directly using a LaTeX template, but decided against it and use simple adhesive labels exclusively. Note that I opted for window-less sleeves to avoid having to design and print and insert for each CD.

As for "storing" all the CDs, I just modified a drawer by sectioning it off so that each section would hold exactly 100 CDs. The CDs are stored upright (to protect the CD) and arranged front to back, so finding and retrieving, say, CD number 0983, is quick and easy. Two drawers == 2K CDs. Easily expandable.

As for the old jewel cases, well, they were in mint condition so I gave them to a friend that collects music. Last I heard, he gave them away to a friend of his. I've reclaimed a huge amount of space in my office, and the clutter is gone. I have no "dusting" or similar nonsense to contend with, and made my life is a bit more sane by sticking a few plants on the shelves that were once reserved for CDs. Knowing that my CDs are protected in a cool dry place doesn't hurt, either.

You can buy sleeves directly from any paper manufacturer. There's plenty that offer specialised CD selections that will be happy to sell to you. Alternatively, you can buy a box of 1K from a reseller on eBay for just a few bucks.

As a final note, you may want to investigate something similar ready-made in the form of small metal or plastic boxes that resemble miniature hanging file folders; you can find these in most office-supply stores. The problem I've found with that approach, however, aside from the price, is that each hanging insert is prenumbered (a problem if for large collections) and requires you to squeeze 2 CDs into each. Hardly a safe approach considering how tightly they fit, not to mention that if you remove the entire insert from the box, you'll be carrying around 2 CDs instead of just the one you wanted.

YMMV.

Hard plastic boxes (2, Informative)

eric76 (679787) | about 8 years ago | (#15537747)

I buy the hard plastic boxes that hold 10 cds each from rima.com, Hard Plastic Box for 10 CDs, 20-Pack [rima.com] . Of course, I put each CD in an individual CD sleeve.

In some cases, I put the device driver CDs together in boxes. In other cases, I'll put the various CDs for a particular CD in a box. And just slap a label on the front.

They take up a whole lot less room than individual cases and are much better at grouping things together.

Go back to vinyl? (1)

MBMarduk (607040) | about 8 years ago | (#15537753)

LOL, well guess that's not an option for data CDs and DVDs no. But I can't recall ever having "broken" LP sleeves.

For DATA (original or otherwise) I use the (spray-paint color-coded/marker-written) cakeboxes where my empty CD-Rs and DVD+Rs come in and a few of those nylon book-type thingies from Case-Logic.
Also; my dad seems to have tons of those slimline CDR cases but these come already in lotsa purdy colors. Should be available empty just like the regular sized ones also come in colors.
As for my music/movies: I have all original CDs and DVDs and like keeping them prominently on display next to the HiFi, TV, whatever. Home-made, wall-anchored wooden racks for me. I have special cases for transport when needed.

Here's what I do: (1)

Zadaz (950521) | about 8 years ago | (#15537846)

  • Music CD's: Spindle in the closet.
  • DVD's: Case Logic [caselogic.com] 320 CD case. (which you can get refill pages for and put in more than 500 easily. See 8 disks on a page removable pages make it easy to keep them organized.)
  • Backups, software disks, etc: Spindle in the closet.
  • Disks I use regularly (Game CD's for copy protection, PS2 games, etc): 5 inch [5inch.com] trigger cases.
I love the trigger cases, keep extra ones on hand to send when clients need CD sent to them. Paper sleeves don't protect in the mail, and jewel cases get broken too easily.

Library CD cases (2, Informative)

rapjr (732628) | about 8 years ago | (#15537915)

Library supply houses have a variety of improved
CD cases. Demco (http://www.demco.com) used to
sell polycarbonate ones (i.e., bulletproof glass)
which were fantastic, though expensive,
but don't seem to carry them any more. They do
have a selection of polypropylene ones that are
still better than the usual polystyrene (enter
"cd cases" in their search engine). This
site has links to a few other vendors:

      http://www.dansdata.com/discsavers.htm [dansdata.com]

Build a cabinet (2, Interesting)

eric76 (679787) | about 8 years ago | (#15537932)

Back in the punch card days, you could buy cabinets with drawers that were made for storing punch cards. They were just the right size for punch cards and not much use for anything else but storing punch cards.

I've thought about building a cabinet for storing CDs along the same lines as the punch card cabinets. Build drawers that are just the right size to store jewel boxes.

Right now I just stack them up in file cabinets. A CD cabinet would be a whole lot better.

The solution you can't get any more. (1)

Animats (122034) | about 8 years ago | (#15537975)

When CDs first came out, there were some very low cost breadbox-like plastic boxes with slots for jewel cases. I bought about twenty of these boxes, for about $35 or so, and still use them. Then came all those more-expensive ways of storing discs; padded cases, flip racks, and other overpriced dreck. Try to get low-cost boxes for dead storage now.

suspension file! (1)

redcane (604255) | about 8 years ago | (#15538009)

I have cd suspension sleeves in a "suspension file" box. You can flick through the CDs, see the titles on the top of the sleeve, and stick on labels that stand above the level of the other cds to seperate sections. Plus you can sort/reorder discs by just popping them in where they go, unlike a wallet/spindle where you have to move all the other cds out of the way first.

ext3 (1)

dcapel (913969) | about 8 years ago | (#15538041)

Title says it all.

This is serious advice; using it.

A good place to ask (1)

Anti_Climax (447121) | about 8 years ago | (#15538164)

I've been trying to find the CD storage case in the CSI episode "Random Acts of Violence" where a man is killed by a single blow to the head (by what turned out to be a hammer falling through a vent overhead) in the server room of his company.

Anyone seen that episode and know who makes the disc holder the victim owned?

Switch to HDD (1)

Peeteriz (821290) | about 8 years ago | (#15538175)

If your discs are valueable to you, then you should make backups of them in any case. And for these copies of discs that you will need to make, HDD space is cheaper and more convenient to use than plastic CDR's and DVDR's.
    Mount the disc images from your HDD - you can easily sort them there - and put your original discs in storage, you won't need to access them often.
   

Answer (1)

ceeam (39911) | about 8 years ago | (#15538235)

a) If you have several dozens CDs then go with those CD-bags (I don't know what you properly call them) with book-style leaves inside where you put in those shiny discs.

b) If you have several hundreds/thousands of CDs/DVDs then just store them on spindles - those usually transparent cylindric boxes they sell blank media in. Keep a database though so you have some chance to find what you need! :)

I also have a dozen or so empty slim cases for moving things in and out.
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