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I'll have to look into a donation... (5, Insightful)

Iguru42 (530641) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577104)

We could certainly take a long hard look at copyright law in this country. It's become clear to me that the public domain is, for all intents and purposes, closed. Everytime Mickey gets close to falling into PD congress will suddenly find it in their interest to extend copyright.

Re:I'll have to look into a donation... (5, Funny)

cayenne8 (626475) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577148)

"Everytime Mickey gets close to falling into PD congress will suddenly find it in their interest to extend copyright..."

Arrrghhh.....Our first pirate party act, will be to capture that scurrvy ridden rodent, and have him walk the plank....yarrr....

Re:I'll have to look into a donation... (5, Funny)

blackicye (760472) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577413)


"Everytime Mickey gets close to falling into PD congress will suddenly find it in their interest to extend copyright..."

Arrrghhh.....Our first pirate party act, will be to capture that scurrvy ridden rodent, and have him walk the plank....yarrr....


Not if the Ninja party has anything to say about it.
I've heard Disney just signed Masaaki Hatsumi http://www.geocities.com/mrdsouza/hatsumi.html [geocities.com] as their first line of
defense..

*ducks*

Re:I'll have to look into a donation... (2, Interesting)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577151)

The everlasting extension of copyright isn't really the issue here, anyway. They should rename themselves "The Entertainment Wants To Be Free Party," because that's all they stand for. Unless you think the Pirate Bay is doing a brisk business in Steamboat Willie.

Re:I'll have to look into a donation... (5, Insightful)

Elvis Parsley (939954) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577199)

It's not closed, but it is narrowing. It'd just take a few deft strokes of legislation to return the limit on copyright to something reasonable, but that damn mouse keeps buying up the legislature. What we need to do is get a time machine and have someone write into the Constitution an explanation to the effect that "Steamboat Willie" must eventually go out of copyright.

It's in there. (4, Insightful)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577318)

It says "securing for limited Times". What needs to made clear(er) in the Constitution is that Copyright laws that demonstrably do *not "promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts" are not valid.

Re:I'll have to look into a donation... (5, Insightful)

Mad Dog Manley (93208) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577242)

The Pirate Party doesn't need to win any elections to succeed. All they need is some publicity and public support, and major parties will be forced to adopt their policies. Or, one major party adopts it in order to gain an advantage.

Re:I'll have to look into a donation... (4, Informative)

blackmonday (607916) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577348)

I agree wholeheartedly, but one correction. Its not the character of Mickey Mouse that would become Public Domain, it's "Steamboat Willie" - the cartoon in which Mickey first appeared. Important Distinction.

Re:I'll have to look into a donation... (1)

kz45 (175825) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577376)

We could certainly take a long hard look at copyright law in this country. It's become clear to me that the public domain is, for all intents and purposes, closed. Everytime Mickey gets close to falling into PD congress will suddenly find it in their interest to extend copyright

The copyright laws we have today are ridiculous. If they decreased the total time to maybe 10 or 15 years, rather than 75 after the person is dead, it would still benefit the original person or company creating the copyright and benefit the public by putting it into public domain.

It also might increase innovation. Companies would be forced to come out with new things every decade or so.

Or maybe the "Ugly Party"? (5, Insightful)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577108)

The should not have given their party a self-defeating name.

Actually... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577239)

Honestly, at this point, I *do* support piracy.

After seeing how the Republicans are selling my ass out to the telecoms in the house*, I--someone who has been registered as a republican for as long as he could vote--am dumping that party until it comes to its senses.

Keel haul the blaggards!

* There are plenty of reasons to dump them, not just Net Neutrality. It's just that that's the absolute last straw. At this point, I feel like I'm throwing my vote away voting for either of the two main parties, anyhow so I might as well vote with someone I agree with...

Re:Or maybe the "Ugly Party"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577254)

And the Colonial Army should never have adopted Yankee Doodle.

Re:Or maybe the "Ugly Party"? (3, Insightful)

swarsron (612788) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577285)

Publicity is essential. I don't think that it's a big loss for them if they are critiziced over their name because they'll be killed by the media cons just for their agenda

Re:Or maybe the "Ugly Party"? (3, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577324)

True enough. "Copyright Reform Party", or "Intellectual Property Reform Party" or, I dunno, I'm not one of those political campaign managers, but almost anything would be better.

Actually, "Privateer" evokes a revolutionary-era image of our forefathers fighting for freedom from the (still) hated British.

But, these guys cant seriously expect votes, it's just a publicity stunt to get people to notice them and get some press. Unfortunately, they'll likely make a joke of the whole issue and hurt the cause more than help it, like when some elitist hollywood jackass get's all political and drags the party image into the mud.

Most people would vote GNAA before Pirate.

Guantanamo beckons... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577115)

"Say AAARGH now, ye scurvy pirates!"

In other news, Swedish politicians tell Bush, "Keep the lot of 'em!"

Re:Guantanamo beckons... (2, Informative)

Ossifer (703813) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577388)

The US already holds a Swedish citizen at Guantanamo, in violation of US and international law...

This is what we need, but named horribly (2, Insightful)

ThinkingInBinary (899485) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577121)

This is exactly what geeks across America have been hoping for: a group intended to defend the consumer's side in privacy and intellectual property discussions. But there's no way they're going to succeed in politics when they've named themselves the "Pirate Party". I don't think I even need to ask whether they realize that they're giving their opponents fodder for later complaints and insults.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (4, Insightful)

xiphoris (839465) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577169)

Ah come now, if a political party called the "Whigs" can be reputable and successful enough for the history books, I think an openly tongue-in-cheek Pirate Party stands a chance :-)

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (4, Insightful)

Xzzy (111297) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577337)

Right. Through history, a lot of names that originally were "stupid" have lost their insulting nature and turned into respected titles. Actions do in fact speak louder than words, so if this party can actually accomplish something I'd think their choice of words for their name will cease to be a bother.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577383)

WHigs? How about the Bull Moose party? Or the Know Nothing Party?

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (3, Insightful)

KevDude (115267) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577192)

Maybe its a bad name, but when I saw it originally, I said to myself, "are these guys serious? I have to see what they're really about." I think a lot more people will think the same way...

Also this way the "piracy thing" is right there to discuss at the beginning instead of the **AA bringing it up at some other inopportune time.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (5, Insightful)

DirePickle (796986) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577196)

A party called "The Reformation of IP Law Party" won't get any press. We already have tons of third-parties that people don't even know exist. The flame-mongering Pirate Party might draw some notice. And in this case, I think any press would be good press.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (1)

TrekkieGod (627867) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577399)

Any in this case, I think any press would be good press.

I agree that getting noticed is important, but in politics the "there's no such thing as bad publicity" saying really isn't true. Just ask Howard Dean.

At any point that they manage to get noticed, all the opposing parties need to say is, "they claim they want to reform IP Law, but what they really want is to break the law. Look at the name of their party. They support pirates, people who break copyright law. Think of the economy! They're criminals! Would you elect rapists? Think of the children!"

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (1)

Mad Dog Manley (93208) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577201)

But there's no way they're going to succeed in politics when they've named themselves the "Pirate Party". I don't think I even need to ask whether they realize that they're giving their opponents fodder for later complaints and insults.


Arrrrrrr matey. Who will be laughing last when the RIAA is walking the plank?

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (5, Interesting)

ABoerma (941672) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577212)

The Swedish party is named horribly as well, and they seem to be doing quite well.

This is not what we need. (1, Insightful)

xplenumx (703804) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577215)

But there's no way they're going to succeed in politics when they've named themselves the "Pirate Party". I don't think I even need to ask whether they realize that they're giving their opponents fodder for later complaints and insults.

Please. It's not like they're even going to get that far. This is nothing more than a couple of no-names who decided to set up a web page and call themselves a political party because they thought it was cool. Bring in a leader with teeth and some money and we'll talk.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (0, Flamebait)

menace3society (768451) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577227)

They should team up with the Log Cabin Republicans. Then they can be the Butt-Pirate Party! And that will disarm about 90% of the potential insults, too.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (4, Funny)

greenbird (859670) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577252)

With that name they'll get the religious left on their side. As a Pastafarian [venganza.org] I can state that by definition our religion will have to fully support the Pirate Party.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577278)

Something like the "National Organization for the Reform of Copyright Laws"? Though I'm not sure how "NORCL" will sound when the mainstream press reports it.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (5, Insightful)

Draconnery (897781) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577284)

What should they do? Cave to the normal customs of politics and call themselves the "People's Party for Free and Democratic Property Rights"? We've lived with euphemisms long enough that it's a banality that "the longer a country's name is (the more words like 'free' and 'democratic' it contains), the worse the country is."

This is not a normal political party. They do not want to act within the established sphere of law and government, they want to change them. Maybe calling themselves Pirates will make people (especially the millions and millions of people who want the same things) realize that the *AA's of the world are villainizing intelligent people who contribute to society. If someone identifies with the Pirate Party, maybe they'll say, hey, I don't feel good about being called evil all the time.

Note: obviously, I see your point, I could have made it myself and I don't think you're dumb, nor do I disagree with you all that much. But c'mon. Would a party by any other name be able to get attention, respect, and votes if they had the same agenda? I think if anything, somebody else would give them the nickname "the Pirate Party," and then they'd be guilty of dressing that up, but the public would still see the name "Pirate Party" being thrown around.
Have you seen '8 Mile'? In the battle at the end, where Em/B. Rabbit throws out all the obvious ammo his opponent would have? I see this as pretty similar.
It's an uphill, probably impossible battle in either case; it's just a bold stroke to come out with it and call themselves "the Pirate Party," and I'm interested to see where they go with it and how much we'll hear about it from other outlets.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (1)

Mateo_LeFou (859634) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577379)

I think you and GP are kinda right, but I lean away from the name they've chosen. Predominantly it's because I don't think "pirating" the **AA's crap is the right way to bring about change. I'd like to see a "Free Culture Party" or some such with a platform saying, e.g.:

1. Okay, you guys enjoy yr Life + 425 years' copyright protection; we'll be over here creating art and sharing it with each other and making you obsolete.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (1)

Mr. Sketch (111112) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577304)

I agree. When I heard that they were called the Pirate party, I immediately thought they should be called something more like the Freedom Party, the People Party, the Consumer Party, etc, something more positive.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (1)

at_slashdot (674436) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577347)

They are not going to "succeed" in politics anyway, at least with this name they will attract attention.

Re:This is what we need, but named horribly (1)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577382)

Would it be so much better if they made up a meaningless word like "Democrat" or "Republican," rather than one that actually has something to do with who they are and what they stand for, and immediately evokes a vivid image in any listener's mind regardless of said listener's own politics?

Pirate Bay US (3, Interesting)

Miadlo (954294) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577149)

And I thought they were joking when I saw a comment on Digg or here, (cant remember which), that there was going to become a Pirate Bay USA, will never happen but good to see a little good come out of the RIAA and USA make jackasses out of themselves in the raid.

truly not an american way (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577150)

and will be labeled as terrorist or communist...

Re:truly not an american way (5, Insightful)

WindBourne (631190) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577230)

And yet, it was terrorism (and a form of communism; after all, they had to work and share together) that set America on the path to independence from England.

Likewise, OSS was labeled as terrorism/communism by some, and now it is pretty much understood that it is one of the truer forms of capitalism (and charity).

Somewhere down the road, as ip laws are changed, this group may be changed from being consider terrorists to heros.

Re:truly not an american way (1)

RetepMc (814214) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577362)

"Somewhere down the road, as ip laws are changed, this group may be changed from being consider terrorists to heros."
--
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days. (his sig)

I prefer the "e" in heroes as it seems to be missing these days.

Re:truly not an american way (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577409)

I prefer the "e" in heroes as it seems to be missing these days.

lol; keyboard was dirty; pretty funny, catch.

Re:truly not an american way (1)

deanj (519759) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577390)

You really need to read some history. Calling what they did "terrorism" and "communism" is not even close to what happened. In fact, it sounds like you're romanticizing to really horrific things.

Too bad it's futile (5, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577153)

With the election system of the US, it's always 2 parties with nobody having thet slightest chance to muscle in, at best in local elections (which, frankly, have no impact on copyright laws).

But I support the idea. The idea has been picked up by our communists. I guess I'll become a comrade. :)

Re:Too bad it's futile (2, Informative)

govtpiggy (978532) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577224)

Third parties tend to seem futile at the time but it isn't surprising to see the major parties slowly adopt the major parts of the third parties platform given time. We saw it years ago with the Populist Party [wikipedia.org] and I wouldn't be surprised to see bits and pieces of Green or Libertarian Party philosophy emerging from the Democrats and Republicans in a few decades.

Re:Too bad it's futile (1)

kz45 (175825) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577259)

But I support the idea. The idea has been picked up by our communists. I guess I'll become a comrade. :)

and we see how far its gotten them ;-)

Re:Too bad it's futile (2, Interesting)

HardCase (14757) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577263)

With the election system of the US, it's always 2 parties with nobody having thet slightest chance to muscle in, at best in local elections (which, frankly, have no impact on copyright laws).

Don't tell Jim Jeffords [wikipedia.org] or Bernie Sanders [wikipedia.org].

-h-

Re:Too bad it's futile (0)

moracity (925736) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577290)

It's not even that...it's pointless. What exactly is Pirate Bay a champion of? I'm tired of hearing about how no one should have to pay for anything and that everything in the world should be free to everyone. It's ridiculous.

Nothing they stand for matters or affects anyone in a meaningful way. Patents, copyrights, IP, public domain, DRM...who cares?? It's just "stuff" and if it all went away, mankind would continue on.

Re:Too bad it's futile (3, Interesting)

badboy_tw2002 (524611) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577360)

I could give a shit if the rights for Ashlee Simpson's latest hot single never expires. I don't really care. Make it a million years or something. The more it cost to use it, the less I'll have to hear it. The real problem here is when the copyright holders have a war against technology, try to shut down communications between people, and basically tell me what I can and can't do because there's a slight chance I might try to steal their shitty music.

Re:Too bad it's futile (1)

theNetImp (190602) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577380)

I'm not saying everything should be free to everyone, but you know what, it's ridiculious that copyright lasts 70year past the death of the creator. When they pass it should as well. If it worked this way, maybe the record companies and movie studios would be more likely to actually put out good music, and good movies, instead of leeching every cent they could get from Elvis's collection post death.

Re:Too bad it's futile (5, Insightful)

Mad Dog Manley (93208) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577292)

The Pirate Party doesn't have to get elected to get their point across. Political parties whose platforms are based on a single concept (e.g. intellectual rights reform) merely have to prove they have popular support, and then one or more major parties will pick up (or pirate, lol) their idea to add to their votes.

Re:Too bad it's futile (5, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577329)

With the election system of the US, it's always 2 parties with nobody having thet slightest chance to muscle in, at best in local elections (which, frankly, have no impact on copyright laws).

But that's the best place to start, locally. Some small town, say here in NJ. A Pirate Party candidate runs, solicits donations via Internet, runs a clean campaign and overwhelms some lowlife local mayor by making him/her look out of touch with the modern world. If elected, that candidiate becomes a news item; next up - city council elections! You just work your way through, starting at the grass roots level, shoe-horning your way into every nook and cranny of local politics until you have a large enough power base to build state organizations. It's only a couple more jumps until you're in the national spotlight. The whole thing hinges, however, on getting youth to vote, because they would probably identify more strongly from the start with a Pirate Party candidate.

As an aside, the name is fine; after all there used to be "Whigs" and "Tories"; how lame are those?

Not really (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577378)

Politicians will totally pander to some groups because they know that if they don't, they'll be punished bad enough to lose elections. In Canada, we have the NDP. They stand no chance of winning an election but they have a huge effect. The Liberals have to steal the NDP's policies in order to win. It is why Canada is very progressive on some issues. Even the Conservatives find themselves constrained because they know that they can lose votes to the NDP. Yes, I know that last one sounds strange; it helps to have been raised in Saskatchewan (it gave us both Tommy Douglas and John Diefenbaker) to understand it.

There are enough people who don't vote that you wouldn't have to turn too many Republicans or Democrats to make a big difference. This is one of those issues where you could get support from both sides. You could also bundle it with America's fading status in the world and the erosion of civil rights. Heck, you could probably even conscript Ralph Nader's followers.
http://elections.gmu.edu/voter_turnout.htm [gmu.edu]

It would make some people's lives a lot easier if most people became too apathetic to vote. If you let that happen then you deserve what you get.

It's only futile because of you (5, Interesting)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577410)

You, and people like you, saying it's "futile" and third party votes are "wasted" are the cause of the two party problem. You've helped brainwash the american voter into thinking it's a coin toss, and he should pick the "lesser of two evils".

Then on election day, we see some bullshit like "49% people favor John Kerry and 51% people favor George Bush". Which we all know is wrong. Nearly everybody, in the last election, thought both candidates sucked.

Vote for who you want to vote for. They may not win, but we won't be sending some assclown to the whitehouse with some bullshit "51% american support" argument. The next time the republicrats win, I want to see the number say "7%", followed by maybe Greens or Libertarians with 4% and 5% type numbers. I want the numbers to clearly demonstrate what the people want.

If that were to happen, and the two parties will realize just how tenuous their connection to the voters are, and things will start to change.

But instead, all of the apathetic slugs out there contribute the the problem by saying "I really like blah-blahs positions but I dont want to waste my vote so I dunno, Hillary Clinton I guess".

Vote for the Pirate Party if you like them. They don't have to win to send a message.

Avast! (4, Interesting)

Cleon (471197) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577164)

Yarrrr!

It be about time that someone be takin' up the mantle of IP reform and greater privacy! Fer sure, the twin armadas of the Republicrats and Democans have failed to take it on, and e'en the Libertarians and Greens don't talk too much about it.

Avast, mateys! Perchance finally there be a Party worth votin' for.

Re:Avast! (0)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577250)

IP reform... hahahaha. What a great little doublethink. It's not quite to RIAA levels yet, but I'm sure in time the Pirate Party will achieve the hyperbole, self-importance, and denial of reality present in everyone's favorite association.

The sad this is, they appear to be serious! (3, Insightful)

Ilsundal (3288) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577179)

I'm not very confident in a group that's set to reform our copyright/patent system when they cannot even have enough common sense to realize that a name such as "The Pirate Party" is NOT going to be taken seriously here in the U.S. This time is investment is better spent on something that has somewhat of a chance in hell.

Re:The sad this is, they appear to be serious! (3, Insightful)

iswm (727826) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577229)

No third party in the US has a chance in hell. So what else should they put time into? Even if their party doesn't have any real chance of getting elected into office somewhere, at least their getting the word out. Who cares what their name is? They're trying to do what needs to be done, and that's all that matters. Plus with a name like "The Pirate Party," they're bound to pick up media attention. All the better.

Re:The sad this is, they appear to be serious! (1)

Skater (41976) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577267)

I was waiting for someone to rant about how they should be called the "Copyright Infringement Party", but no dice so far. The people that jump on that every time the issue comes up are probably off having a heart attack or something.

Newsletter? (4, Funny)

tulmad (25666) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577184)

I like what you have to say and would like to subscribe to your newsletter. :D

YRO stuff (0, Offtopic)

Frankie70 (803801) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577193)

I submitted this story [bluegrassreport.org] but got rejected.

The republican kentucky govt has blocked a Liberal Blog criticizing it.

China, anyone?

Re:YRO stuff (1, Insightful)

stratjakt (596332) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577356)

The state can block whatever they want on their own computers, it doesn't affect YRO until they start blocking it on your computers.

In fact, to say that an organization or individual (government, business, or regular Joe) doesn't have the right to block whatever they want on their own private computers, certainly does directly interfere with my right to set my firewall and spam filters up however the fuck I want.

Go back to China, Commie.

Good start but needs more (2, Insightful)

vldragon (981127) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577209)

A politacal party that fights for all the things mentioned on the pirate parties website is great. I'm all for a politcal body finnaly standing up and fighting angainst corporations that take away from what makes this country great. However a party devoted just to those things will never stand. While the geeks of america may band together for this party it just isn't enough. A political party must be ready to face all the challanges of a society not just a select few. The Pirate party would have to take a stand on things like war, poverty, crime, drugs and so many others. And thats not to mention a party needs support from a majority of people with all sorts of backgrounds and cultures.
Just something to think about.

Re:Good start but needs more (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577281)

And they will. All previous political parties started with one idea which they wanted to put forth, and a platform was built up around them.

The important part is making it known that people DO care.

Re:Good start but needs more (3, Interesting)

VoxCombo (782935) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577310)

Actually, as logn as we've had the current two party system, single issue parties have really been the only ones that have succeeded..sort of. Works like this:

1. People found a party around an issue they feel is important but neither major party agrees.
2. Small single-issue party grows bigger
3. One major party takes notice, and absorbs the issue, effectively disbanding the party

I'm not saing it's great, but I suppose it's a kind of victory

They should hire Al Gore! (4, Funny)

DG (989) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577216)

Holy convergance of idealologies Batman!



We all know Al Gore is all about Global Warming (See Here [wikipedia.org]), and we also know there is a direct link between the number of pirates and the average temperature of the earth! (See Here [venganza.org])



This cannot be an accident - it's fate!



DG

overkill...? (3, Insightful)

AxemRed (755470) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577221)

I'm not necessarily a fan of what the Pirate Party represents. But, sometimes, overkill on the other side of the problem may work to balance the mess out. I just hope that we can eventually find a happy medium.

Terrorists (-1, Redundant)

Tx (96709) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577241)

Don't they know that filesharing is a threat to national security? I give them two weeks before the DHS comes a-knocking.

Re:Terrorists (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577392)

I doubt the Republicans will go for that since the xxAA are Leftist-Liberal organizations. The RINOs 'Republicans In Name Only' and the demoncrats might support them, but not the Republicans.

whose side are these guys on anyways? (1)

ChrisGilliard (913445) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577249)

Their platform is redicoulas and goes off on odd tangents. This completely discredits the pro patent reform movement.

Very well written statement on their webpage! (2, Funny)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577256)

So spot on, judging from this text only, it seems that I agree with all they say! (hmm, which is the definition of "good", right?) If I were American, I'd vote for them. But wait, I'm Swedish!

and in Canada? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577274)

does someone want to open a canadian branch of the Pirate Party? If so, I'm in (representing the "it's like cuba" province a.k.a. Québekistan)

It's a good name after all. (0, Redundant)

piotrr (101798) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577291)

Where's the fun in making fun of someone who's half-joking with themselves to begin with?

waste of time (3, Interesting)

spongman (182339) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577325)

why don't all these groups that want to repeal such and such bad law, or change this law, or whatnot, just get together and lobby for campaign finance reform. once that's done they can actually have a snowball's chance in hell of actually getting done what they originally set out to do.

Please spare me (5, Insightful)

bryankwalton (872344) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577330)

I agree that we need to seriously reform the patent system in the United States. But the Pirate Party isn't going to do this. In fact, one might argue that all it will successfully accomplish is marginalizing the issue and its supporters. There are dozens (if not more) third parties in the US. It is very hard (and in this day and age almost impossible) for a third party to have any electoral success (it does happen on a community level in certain places around the country). There are key differences between the electoral systems of most European countries and the US. In the US, we have a single-member district system that is winner take all. It makes our system functionally a two-party system. Most of Europe has a proporational representation system. Voters in Europe vote for the party, not the candidate. All that is needed for a small party to gain seats in a parliamentary body is to get over the threshold (whatever that threshold may be). Sometimes, that threshold is as low as 5%. Here in the US, you need a plurality of the vote at least (in some parts of the country, you need an outright majority). The pirate party getting 50.1% of the vote? I don't think so. Even 40-45%, not likely. To insist on something like this, just because it works in Sweden is to deny the reality of the electoral constraints place upon the US system.

Re:Please spare me (5, Insightful)

HikingStick (878216) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577404)

I think the real power in the pirate party will be as a gauge to the primary parties as to how important this issue is to consumers. If the party posts large numbers of members, Donkeys and Elephants may consider addressing some IP issues, just as a way to grab those potential votes. Of course, RIAA may simply try to hack/buy the pirate party roster as a list of possible new defendants in their next round of lawsuits...

Public backlast against *IAA (4, Insightful)

Mad Dog Manley (93208) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577335)

From the interview:

Sigal: I think the raid is what brought this whole thing to my attention, and to the attention of people around the world. The raid in Sweden could turn out to be the best thing that happened to the internet community. I think it backfired on the MPAA. They wanted to take down a site they thought was illegal, but everyone noticed that the MPAA is terrorizing the people.

No kidding. Whether or not the party manages to elect any members, its time to bring these issues to the public on every front possible, including the political front. A strong grassroots effort behind the Pirate Party would throw these tactics right back in the face of the *IAA organizations.

Simpsons Quote (0)

toy4two (655025) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577338)

The Simpsons where Kudos and Klang take over the bodies of Clinton and Dole.
CROWD: "I believe I will have to vote for a third party candidate."
KUDOS "Go ahead. Waste your vote. HAHAHAHA"

the ninja party... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15577343)

will win. :D

A new export (0, Redundant)

doktorstop (725614) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577346)

So pirate politics is becoming the new hot Swedish export? maybe the Swedes should have patented it, so then they could have used the MPAA or someone to enforce their copyright and get royalties...
otherwise what the Americans are doing is PIRATING!

Donkey, Elephant, Parrot (0, Flamebait)

Joebert (946227) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577371)

Oooh, I get it.

The Donkey says somthing stupid,
the Parrot repeats it,
& the Elephant throws them both in jail to keep them quiet.

i see alot of comments (4, Insightful)

DigDuality (918867) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577373)

bashing the name. Most of the time i agree. I, myself, support things like the Green AND Libertarian parties over the Republocrats. I love Defective by Design, much like how i have much respect for the Green and Libertarian parties in the US, the Pirate Party in Sweden, and quite a many groups that may or may not be political parties. There's lots of great advocate groups out there fighting for noble causes.. for smaller government, tech rights, privacy rights, IP law, workers rights, environmental rights, you name it. But most of all of these groups suffer a similar fault and that's one of presentation. Very rarely do they show us that they're professional, they're websites look like crap, they're protests are childish, their statements to the public.. while i might agree with, can get a bit ridiculous at times. Groups like these people who can do something about it.. simply will never take seriously. I'm suprised Defective by Design has done what it has. But frankly if Richard Stallman wants to be taken seriously his needs to quit being a sappy bitch, cut his hair, trim his facial hair and learn how to dress and address professionals, government leaders, and the public. None of these groups that i adore so very much stands a chance in hell, until they can present themselves in a manner the rest of the world will take serious. Generation after generation, people simply don't seem to grasp this concept... and it's a trivial fact of life that makes a huge fucking difference that none of us are going to change. And until people wake up and quit prancing around in obnoxious outfits outside of corporate and government offices, they will be written off as nutbags, hippies, drug addicts, radicals, etc.. Now all of this being said.. The language has already been firmly planted about pirates and piracy. It's engrained into the entertainment and technological culture as it stands. This word isn't going away. I sit and i watch as the word "liberal" has become a dirty dirty word.. and watch the Democrats and Greens try to re-identify themselves as "progressive".. and it's not really working. This country is leaning towards Dems, not b/c this nation is liberal..but b/c they're tired of Republicans. It's really hard to escape a word and play semantics and hope you're new identification for what you do will take a stronger hold. As we've seen with the word "nigga" (though this has nothing to do with professionalism or politics), it's much easier to make an insulting word.. empowering. It has a very "stick it the man" attitude about it and gives way for great marketing. While i don't find it to be the height of professionalism and the ability to be taken seriously.. what are they going to call themselves? The Sharing Party? You think tree huggers get picked on.. that'd be nothing compared to this. I mean seriously.. there's not many names i could think of that would fit. The "lets not always maximize profits party". I mean.. maybe i'm not creative, but you tell me what would be a better idea.

What's in a name? (2, Insightful)

matt328 (916281) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577384)

It won't be their name that keeps them down and anyone who thinks it will is being very naive. It will be the **AA's endless flow of money that keeps them down.

Let me know... (3, Funny)

Senzei (791599) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577389)

Let me know when the Ninja Party makes its way to the US. Ninjas beat pirates any day. I'm sure they would totally flip out and pass an act abolishing copyright, the *AA, and panhandling all at once. The first two for obvious reasons, the second and third because ninjas don't like whiners.

Privateers (2, Funny)

Doc Ruby (173196) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577395)

If a party designed to "reform real property laws" called itself the "Robber Party", I would never vote for it, send it money or let its rhetoric/policies influence my politics.

I'd call the cops.

Re:Privateers (1)

Maxo-Texas (864189) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577424)

As much as I support their position- I agree with your point that "pirate party" sounds like either a joke or something bad so the name will hold them back.

Simpsons with presidential candidate abductions (0, Redundant)

DeadPrez (129998) | more than 7 years ago | (#15577403)

It is a two-party system so good luck with that. Sounds like another faction of the libertarian-leaning ideals.

I'm just stating the plain political realities of living in America today. I commend this parties splash on Slashdot but get real and stop being cook-ie about politics. There are serious problems and we get ourselves distracted over non-sense all the time! If you want to be taken seriously become a interest group.
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