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157 comments

Wow, short aricle for sure (4, Informative)

fullphaser (939696) | about 8 years ago | (#15583451)

no need to click the link kids that it pretty much. anyway thank god... now about korea?

Re:Wow, short aricle for sure (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583537)

Short article...perfect for my attention span... What were we talking about? Oh yeah, donuts. Mmmmmm, doooonuuuts.

Re:Wow, short aricle for sure (2, Insightful)

iezhy (623955) | about 8 years ago | (#15583575)

An insider at ISC said MII has set up a hotline at 01-12321 for spam-related tip-offs and is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices.

fighting spam with spam? :)

When Will The U.S. Get Serious +1, Helpful (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583756)


about democracy at home with this Criminel De Guerre [whitehouse.org] ?

Cheers,
Kilgore

Re:Wow, short aricle for sure (4, Funny)

Nadsat (652200) | about 8 years ago | (#15583829)

Where's the rest of the article? It's so short. I feel like someone censored all the content....

Great! (0)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 years ago | (#15583454)

Maybe when they figure it out and get the problem nailed down over there, we can hire them for their expertise to solve the problem here in the USA :P

Re:Great! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583599)

There is no big secret here. In line with your typical Chinese legal remedy, first time spammers will be impaled through the back with a bayonette, and shot through the heart at point blank range. Second time offenders are actually rather rare in China.

Re:Great! (1)

shawb (16347) | about 8 years ago | (#15583701)

Actually, second time offenders are not as rare as you'd think.

Ever hear the phrase zombie host? [wikipedia.org]

Translation of the Article (3, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 8 years ago | (#15583458)

I see this article was still in Chinese when I read it. Allow me to translate it into English:
Ministry of Information Industry (MII), Internet Society of China (ISC) and China Communications Standards Association (CCSA) launched a national anti-spam campaign on June 21, reports Nanfang Daily.
Translation: "The MII decided it was time to start a campaign that looks like it will help the people. The ISC & CCSA were informed of this decision."
An insider at ISC said MII has set up a hotline at 01-12321 for spam-related tip-offs and is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices.
Translation: "The MII instructed the Nanfang Daily to print this. Like every other government controlled media outlet, the Nanfang Daily immediately complied. The MII has constructed methods for witch hunts and omitted the precise definition of 'spam' or what the criteria consists of. There are roughly one million people the MII doesn't really care for and they will receive notices informing them that they had better go underground or face prosecution without a trial."
The report said that professional training will be offered for 1,000 email administrators and that 20,000 anti-spam volunteers will be recruited.
Translation: "One thousand citizens will be trained to point the finger at anyone the government doesn't like using an ISP. This will prevent anyone from speculating that it is just one person or the government doing this. It will also aid in making this look like a benefit for the people. A lucky 20,000 other individuals will learn to play ball for the government and this will go on their permanent records--which might lead to good fortune."

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and wager that SPAM simply means "e-mailing the way the government doesn't want you to" in Chinese. Whether that be based on the content or motive of your e-mails. The government seems to be implementing laws that have no clear definition in order to devise a method by which they can jail/fine/deter anyone they want. And it will most likely be met with synchronous thundering applause of one billion people clapping robotically togethor.

Americans lose their freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism. Now the Chinese will lose their freedoms in the name of fighting SPAM. *sigh* Canada keeps looking warmer and warmer.

Re:Translation of the Article (5, Insightful)

pete6677 (681676) | about 8 years ago | (#15583550)

Even if this is true, Chinese people have more freedom now than they did 20 years ago, and things will continue to progress in this direction. Government crackdows are getting harder to pull off, there is a lot of unpublished internal dissent, and the government is begging for a revolution if their response is to just crack down harder. Piss off 1 billion people alltogether, and its pretty hard to keep them contained.

Re:Translation of the Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583803)

Piss off 1 billion people alltogether, and its pretty hard to keep them contained.

Just port over the American "TV, beer, and Cheetos" method. After some cultural modifications, I'm pretty sure it will scale.

Re:Translation of the Article (1)

TheDreadSlashdotterD (966361) | about 8 years ago | (#15583848)

Aw! How cute! An idealist!

Re:Translation of the Article (1)

wmol (124342) | about 8 years ago | (#15584103)

I opened a fortune cookie after my lunch today, but all it said was "That wasn't chicken."

Re:Translation of the Article (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 8 years ago | (#15584272)

I don't think it's idealistic, if the populace of a country is pissed off enough they'll just wipe the govt out. Propaganda and indoctrination are effective means to prevent people from ever getting pissed off enough. Offering distractions works well, too. More people care about the next round of Big Brother than the USAPATRIOT Act.

Re:Translation of the Article (5, Interesting)

Cedric Tsui (890887) | about 8 years ago | (#15583992)

I agree with you.
eldavojohn, I think you're pushing things a bit far. Everyone agrees that the chinese government is opressive. But this is not Orwell's 1984. The government provides stability, which was rarely present in chinese history. There is no mass shuffling of money from the poor to the rich, although there is increasing disparity these days as industrilization makes it harder to make a living in rural communities. The government really does put the well being of its people first. Ahead of their foreign reputation, which is why we all see them as the bad guys.

I believe China will evolve into a democracy in its own time.

Re:Translation of the Article (1)

B1ackDragon (543470) | about 8 years ago | (#15584005)

Given the vast resources available to those in power (information control and management as well as the very huge advances in lethal and non-lethal weapons technology (read: crowd control)) it's much easier these days for small numbers of people to control ever larger numbers of others than it was in the past.

I guess the main weapon left to the masses is that of information dissemination, and the main limitation for advanced oppressive governments is limited prison space.

Just my measly two cents.

Naïveté (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15584153)

Even if this is true, Chinese people have more freedom now than they did 20 years ago, and things will continue to progress in this direction.
I'm glad you've created such an impenetrable sense of security for yourself. Obviously there are those of us who disagree with you. So, where's your proof that things will get better?

Just because you say things will get better doesn't mean jackshit.

Guns & tanks put an end to Tiananman Square and they'll do it again. I think you're a bit naïve in assuming that China's government is all "love and flowers" about this change.

Open up your eyes. People in power like to stay in power. It's that simple.

Re:Translation of the Article (5, Funny)

iminplaya (723125) | about 8 years ago | (#15583572)

Canada keeps looking warmer and warmer.

Yeah, well, wait till November rolls around. Then you'll be saying, "Screw this freedom crap. I'm goin' to Mexico."

Re:Translation of the Article (1)

Joebert (946227) | about 8 years ago | (#15584197)

So much for sending them on a wild goose chase.

Re:Translation of the Article (1)

aml666 (708712) | about 8 years ago | (#15583621)

I need to start posting Anti-American and Anti-Microsoft rants. My CARMA would go through the roof!

Re:Translation of the Article (1)

Buran (150348) | about 8 years ago | (#15584336)

Until it runs over your neighbor's DOGMA, and you get sued for all you're worth.

Re:Translation of the Article (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583730)

In Canada you get put in jail using the "Security Certificate". The charges against you are secret and you stay in jail indefinately.

How? Well, the charges are backed by foreign intelligence agencies, like China or Egypt. They share this info with Canada. Canada thinks it is 100% true and stuffs you in jail. True, this is only against non-Canadian citizens, but still. If you have problems with someone, follow them. Tap their phone. Put spy software on their computer. Do everything with courts warrant behind it to get real evidence. But DO NOT use secret evidence to put people in jail or to curtain their freedom!!! That's freaking crazzy!

Re:Translation of the Article (1)

mrbongo (926079) | about 8 years ago | (#15583901)

Canada keeps looking warmer and warmer. It must be all the strip mining of teh coal sands. That will keep us all nice and toasty.

You don't know that (5, Insightful)

Moraelin (679338) | about 8 years ago | (#15584158)

May I point out that, although totalitarian regimes _do_ violate human rights and mis-use laws against dissidents, sometimes they actually have to solve an actual problem? E.g., even Stalin's USSR and Mao's China at their darkest hour, while they did have a some of the most brutal suppression of dissidents, they also had laws to deal with plain old crimes like theft, embezzlement, murder, etc. They also had plenty of civil laws too, like for example, divorces, inheritance, child support, etc.

I.e., it seems to me pretty stupid to assume that any law in China is somehow _guaranteed_ be 100% for oppression purposes, and only disguised in a more propaganda-friendly guise. Maybe someone there genuinely got fed up with spam. Maybe a bunch of bosses in the PRC just had one day too many of finding their inboxes full of "H3rb@1 \/i@gr@" emails. Or maybe it was the "Thousands of 18 year old teens waiting for you!!!" mails. China's conservative leadership tends to take a very grim view of pornography, plus they have _much_ higher age of consent.

Are those volunteers paid to either read other people's emails and to point fingers at demand? How do you know that? How do you know it's not just people paid to register email addresses and use them all over the place, and see what spam lands in those inboxes? Or maybe run honeypots to see who's actually commanding the army of spam-bots with Joe-job faked sender addresses? Or whatever? For the size of China 1000 admins and 20,000 volunteers is a spit in the ocean, if their goal was to read all emails. But to run a honeypot net or to get reliable reports of who's been spamming their inboxes, it may be just enough.

Basically the D&D mentality that some people are by definition evil, hence they can only ever give evil laws, is so fucking stupid that it's not even funny. _Noone_ defines themselves as evil, sworn enemy of all goodness, and able to only ever do evil stuff, like in retarded D&D-type settings and cheap fantasy flicks. The Real Life isn't divided neatly like that.

In RL even the most horrible dictator may really think they're only doing just what's good for their country (even if for everyone else it doesn't really count as good), and not just acting out of some Sith-like determination to extinguish all goodness. RL "evil" is more about not caring about collateral damage done than being some sworn destroyer of all that's still good and pure. And sometimes, even if by accident, their notion of "good" may actually be good.

That's all I'm saying here too. Just assuming "The Chinese government is evil, hence any Chinese law _must_ be 100% for the sole purpose of crushing freedoms and harming people" is just bullshit. We just don't know that. Assuming you can "translate" like that, is just some self-righteous bullshit, nothing more.

Re:Translation of the Article (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15584409)

Yes, but you still have the people in Qubec.

I'd actually take the French over French Canadians.

Least the French have Paris and culture. The French Canadians don't have either and think their feces smells like roses.

Site already Slow.. Heres the article (4, Funny)

u16084 (832406) | about 8 years ago | (#15583466)

Ministry of Information Industry (MII), Internet Society of China (ISC) and China Communications Standards Association (CCSA) launched a national anti-spam campaign on June 21, reports Nanfang Daily. An insider at ISC said MII has set up a hotline at 01-12321 for spam-related tip-offs and is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices. The report said that professional training will be offered for 1,000 email administrators and that 20,000 anti-spam volunteers will be recruited. "is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices" - Oh the irony.

Re:Site already Slow.. Heres the article (2, Funny)

johnMG (648562) | about 8 years ago | (#15583973)

So, will most of the analysis be done by Information Retrieval or Information Dispersal?

Either way, Central Services will probably end up doing all the dirty work.

My only suggestion: make sure they've filled out a 27b/6 form before you let them lay a finger your server. But then, I'm a bit of a stickler for paperwork.

I wanna volunteer (4, Funny)

77Punker (673758) | about 8 years ago | (#15583470)

Where can I sign up? I wanna read people's mail!

Re:I wanna volunteer (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583475)

www.nsa.gov/jobs

Re:I wanna volunteer (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583861)

www.nsa.gov/jobs

The correct URL is

http://www.nsa.gov/careers/index.cfm [nsa.gov]

Re:I wanna volunteer (2, Funny)

Obi-w00t (943426) | about 8 years ago | (#15583892)

www.nsa.gov/careers actually.
You see its not just a job...it's a career!

Re:I wanna volunteer (2, Funny)

TheBogie (941620) | about 8 years ago | (#15583947)

I wonder if they will let the volunteers attach the car batteries to the spammer's nuts. The "diehard" treatment seems to be a common "reprogramming" technique used by china. I'm pretty sure it will work on spammers as well as it does on the other chinese "troublemakers".

Re:I wanna volunteer (1)

Sinbios (852437) | about 8 years ago | (#15584394)

If you're not just making stuff up out of ignorance and actually heard that "troublemakers" are being tortured by having car batteries connected to their genitals, then it's obviously FUD. Human skin resistance is around 20KOhms. Car batteries are 12V. I=V/R. 12V/20000Ohms=0.0006A. Guess how much that hurts. Hell, given my choice of torture methods I'd gladly endure this one. Makes me wonder how much Chinese government horror stories is just propaganda.

I bet their system will be better! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583477)

Re:I bet their system will be better! (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583783)

The body of your argument does indeed raise a strong point. This requires a fertile call to action. Each and every Slashdotter must now take matters into their own hands!

Volunteers (5, Funny)

JesseL (107722) | about 8 years ago | (#15583478)

Are these 'anti-spam volunteers' real volunteers, or are they volunteering-to-get-out-of-bayonette-testing volunteers?
Just curious.

Re:Volunteers (1)

dubmun (891874) | about 8 years ago | (#15583638)

More likely they are just volunteering to avoid being charged with "Crimes Against China" for NOT volunteering.

You've got to love the communist system of involuntary volunteering.

Re:Volunteers (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15584145)

Bayonete testing its a great job if love Fight Club trust me.

Wake me up (3, Insightful)

hackstraw (262471) | about 8 years ago | (#15583483)


when the get 'serious' about spam coming _outside_ of China!

About 50% of my spam has url's resolving back to China or Korea.

Re:Wake me up (1)

planckscale (579258) | about 8 years ago | (#15583677)

And over 90% of my port scans and attempted ssh login scripts come from a script kiddie in China. Does sending an email to the domain authority ever actually do anything?

Re:Wake me up (4, Funny)

Intron (870560) | about 8 years ago | (#15584010)

Yes, but it has to be properly worded. It should say:

"Thank you for your interest in Falun Gong. Information
is being mailed to you."

"Spam" (5, Insightful)

buxrule (970805) | about 8 years ago | (#15583487)

With all the censoring China does, it sounds to me like it's just an excuse to hire 20000 people to read through everyone's email and make sure they're not discussing something they "shouldn't" be talking about.

Re:"Spam" (1)

mooingyak (720677) | about 8 years ago | (#15583777)

With all the censoring China does, it sounds to me like it's just an excuse to hire 20000 people to read through everyone's email and make sure they're not discussing something they "shouldn't" be talking about.

They need an excuse?

Re:"Spam" (1)

dubl-u (51156) | about 8 years ago | (#15583826)

With all the censoring China does, it sounds to me like it's just an excuse to hire 20000 people to read through everyone's email and make sure they're not discussing something they "shouldn't" be talking about.

You've got it the wrong way round. They're having trouble reading everybody's mail right now because of all the spam. They want to get rid of the spam so that their spies and censors stop trying to sneak penis enlargement devices onto their expense reports.

Defeat Spam with Spam (2, Funny)

neonprimetime (528653) | about 8 years ago | (#15583493)

is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices

Ok, but... (1)

tpjunkie (911544) | about 8 years ago | (#15583494)

when are we going to get Nigeria to crack down on those "wonderful opportunitys[sic]" involving "23 millions[sic] dollars"?

The vast majority of my spam comes from US, or at least english speaking countries. When can we make some serious headway on fighting that?

Re:Ok, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583576)

The vast majority of my spam comes from US,

Very little of the spam I get comes from the US. A while back a traced some of my spam messages (about 200 ish) and the majority came from machines in China or India. They may not have been generated in thoose countries (SORBS was reporting many of them as open proxies), but thoose where the ones passing spam onto my email providers machines.

Why don't ALL goverments offer to train email admins? Email based crime is apallingly high, we need to tell people how to avoid allowing spamers to use their system, then they have no excuse if spam orriginates from there systems and can then be prosecuted.

Hmm, a China story and the captcha word is: comply
Yay /.

Re:Ok, but... (1)

6ULDV8 (226100) | about 8 years ago | (#15583963)

The Nigerian Government has apparently already cracked down on the "wonderful opportunitys involving 23 millions". As a direct result, that balance has apparently grown to over "40 millions". Being a slacker, I dropped the ball and failed to collect. Maybe you can hold out for more.

As for US sources... I guess existing law isn't enough because rather than criminal penalties, they are merely ignored or fined and sent on their way as their sponsors move to the next huckster.

We know who most of these people are. We've known for years.

US priorities (3, Insightful)

electrosoccertux (874415) | about 8 years ago | (#15583503)

I find it informing that our politicians are willing to sanction trade with Sweden because *our* (i.e. Not Their) laws say they are infringing on our IP. But we haven't heard anything of the sort in relation to China and Nigeria over spam (a much bigger problem).

Regardless of whether or not we have a copy of a blank check signed by the RIAA to [insert politician here], this passive aggression our leaders are so fond of is very telling.

Re:US priorities (1)

wayne (1579) | about 8 years ago | (#15583742)

I find it informing that our politicians are willing to sanction trade with Sweden because *our* (i.e. Not Their) laws say they are infringing on our IP. But we haven't heard anything of the sort in relation to China and Nigeria over spam (a much bigger problem).

Uh, duh. China has a huge market for US businesses and nukes. Nigeria has oil. What assests does Sweden have? (Besides ones that would make neo cons uncomfortable.)

Let's put the "volunteers" to good use. (1)

Tackhead (54550) | about 8 years ago | (#15583504)

> This will include training for 1000 mail administrators and recruitment of 20,000 'anti-spam volunteers.

A little random number generation on the back end, and we're all good.

550 - Stegospam hash recognized in message body. Thank you for your support of Falun Dafa. Use key responding with #48187 to access payment - U8FDO 4J7D3 5FLI0 0S5DX RTND6

Let's put those 'volunteers' to good work.

Well, they had better get cracking (4, Informative)

winkydink (650484) | about 8 years ago | (#15583513)

Current estimates by Trend Micro show China responsible for over 14 billion spams per day.

Re:Well, they had better get cracking (3, Funny)

KingPrad (518495) | about 8 years ago | (#15583749)

Well that explains my inbox. But how many do they send to everyone else?

Will they treat spammers like Falun Gong members? (2, Insightful)

Nova Express (100383) | about 8 years ago | (#15583520)

I'll beleive Communist China is serious about stopping spammers when they start treating [religioustolerance.org] them like Falun Gong members. [wikipedia.org] You know, like imprisoning them in forced labor camps and working them to death. [faluninfo.net] Or maybe torturing them. [faluninfo.net] But until they're willing to treat spammers with the same harsh methods the Communist Party reserves for those trying to exercise freedom of religion, I doubt I'll see any reduction of spam in my mailbox.

Those mail admins will be one in a million (2, Interesting)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | about 8 years ago | (#15583528)

Not in skill or particularity..just one in a million.

Or are they? (0)

Odin_Tiger (585113) | about 8 years ago | (#15583531)

Crackdown on spam, or just a convenient way to employ 20k citizens while getting good international PR in one fell swoop?

To tackle "Tiananmen" and "Democracy" spam first (1)

elrous0 (869638) | about 8 years ago | (#15583544)

The Chinese government will eradicate these notorious spammers if they have to kick down every non-party-member door in Bejing!

-Eric

Re:To tackle "Tiananmen" and "Democracy" spam firs (1)

sjwest (948274) | about 8 years ago | (#15584172)

Looks like china.blackholes.us stays in the mail config then

then its the sbl, and then spews. == China not good place for internet hosting.

This is good news (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583551)

It would be great if they would be able to block the US-spam on it's way to Europe somehow...

I'll check digg to verify if this is really news.

One question (0)

gentimjs (930934) | about 8 years ago | (#15583557)

Do I need to be Chinese to volunteer? I'd gladly give some time to shut down spammers, regardless of national residence...

Can't solve all your problems that way (4, Interesting)

BriamKG (980939) | about 8 years ago | (#15583558)

You can't solve all your problems with a great wall. Spam has been a problem for a long time, and it's one of those easily overcompensating balancing acts. Some services are overfiltering, and it's no surprise. There are all sorts of clever ways to try and sort things out, trying to recognize certain words or phrases or check to see if you know certain people, but in the end, there are always exceptions. What about that girl you met last night that really does work for the Mega Ab Destroyer 8000 Co? When it comes down to it, a fairly light filter that you check yourself, complemented with a whole lot of your own personal judgement tends to work. People need information about spamming techniques and what to watch out for, not just hard filtering.

Re:Can't solve all your problems that way (1)

ABoerma (941672) | about 8 years ago | (#15583689)

"You can't solve all your problems with a great wall."

Unless it's a firewall. =P

Fighting spam or...speech? (1)

posterlogo (943853) | about 8 years ago | (#15583604)

FTA: ...hotline at 01-12321 for spam-related tip-offs and is preparing to send out one million anti-spam notices. The report said that professional training will be offered for 1,000 email administrators and that 20,000 anti-spam volunteers will be recruited

This sounds a lot like their all-volunteer internet morality police at their universities and internet cafes. Self-proclaimed enforcers will tip off the authorities to something they don't like, maybe spam, maybe just free speech. The article doesn't offer much detail, but this program is run by the ministry of information, ironically the ministry in charge of suppressing information.

In soviet China... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583607)

Spam crack down on MII !

contacts in china (1)

inet50 (976401) | about 8 years ago | (#15583622)

contacting chinese isp's and hosting companies to tell them that they're sending out spam, hosting malware, or other *bad stuff* is usually a waste of time... this effort could at very least provide anti-s people in the US and Europe with good contacts in china.

Re:contacts in china (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | about 8 years ago | (#15583676)

Some measures:

* Forbid the use of users' own machines to send spam (aka blocking port 25).
* Block open proxies
* Forbid anonymity in name registries.
* Clean infected computers regularly

I'm sure it would be easy for the Chinese govt to implement these measures. I'm also sure that most of the SPAM sent through China is done via open proxies and botnets - not by the users themselves.

Getting Serious (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583654)

.. ..
Come around eleven, and it's time to get home
I'm going her way, but I can't leave her alone
But she's looking at me, as if I'm something she owns
Oh, Hu's getting serious (Hu)
Hu's getting serious, I've got to do something 'cause
Hu's getting serious (Hu)
and I could get serious too .. ..

China has a long way to go (2, Informative)

MikeRT (947531) | about 8 years ago | (#15583655)

Say what you will about the United States, but at least you can't say that we spend extreme percentages on our military while we have major internal problems. China wouldn't have anywhere near the problems it does today with crime and pollution if it didn't devote so many resources to its military. I get tired of the excuses for their priorities "oh they're afraid of the United States!" Bullshit. We can't even get riled up over Afghanistan, a country that aided and abetted the 9-11 terrorists and protected their ring leader. China would have to do something monstrous like conquer one of the "asian tigers" or Japan to get enough passion to actually fight them. You know what this just proves once again? Big government doesn't give a fuck about the common person unless they're revolting or about to. China's spam problems are only the tip of the iceberg. How about stopping all of those hack attacks against government and industry first? Priorities, priorities.

Re:China has a long way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15583695)

It would be better if they just disconnect whole asia from the internet lol.

Re:China has a long way to go (3, Interesting)

drinkypoo (153816) | about 8 years ago | (#15583711)

Say what you will about the United States, but at least you can't say that we spend extreme percentages on our military while we have major internal problems.

Yes I can. And I do. Fuck, we spend more on prisoners than we do on students, let alone military. And guess what? The military gets more money than the correctional system, which also gets a super shitload of cash.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, especially in the last, oh, term and a half. From surplus to record deficit in six years - specifically due to military spending.

Re:China has a long way to go (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15584032)

Say what you will about the United States, but at least you can't say that we spend extreme percentages on our military while we have major internal problems. I hope this was intended as irony. See also - http://www.truemajority.org/oreos/ [truemajority.org]

too bad! (1)

abstractrude (935296) | about 8 years ago | (#15583669)

Too bad the "Volunteers" will be Falan Gong political prisoners, who "may" will get there havested organs back if they stop enough !!V1aGRa Get Moroe Penil Bigger!!

Nobody seems worried over at Specialham (4, Interesting)

Animats (122034) | about 8 years ago | (#15583715)

Over at SpecialHam [specialham.com] , the forum for bottom-feeder spammers, it seems to be business as usual today. No mention of any crackdown in China. Typical message: "Please give me ICQ UINs of poeple who make installations at trojaned computers. I need to install some software." There's some gloating over the collapse of BlueSecurity. Some new ways to spam Myspace. But no real concerns about enforcement today.

Re:Nobody seems worried over at Specialham (1)

Joebert (946227) | about 8 years ago | (#15584376)

Specialhams' "please register or login" is done with Javascript...

I turned Javascript off & was able to read away.

2+2 = ? (2, Interesting)

Frightening (976489) | about 8 years ago | (#15583726)

*Reads headline only*

-A while back we were told Taiwan held the world cup for spam (small statue of a devil holding an envelope).

-Now China wants to crack down on spam.

-I see only one way they can do this, or am I terribly mistaken? (P.S Yes I am aware issue is cleared up in summary. Just laugh.)

Re:2+2 = ? (1)

zuki (845560) | about 8 years ago | (#15584259)

I think I get it.

Since

-1) China takes great pains to make it obvious that they still consider Taiwan an integral part of their country.
-2) Taiwan is arguably responsible for such a huge amount of SPAM that they are considered the world's biggest offender
-3) China has finally decided to crack down on SPAM for real (or so they say).

The only logical route to really crack down on SPAM will be to invade Taiwan, and make sure to put those shady list operators under lock and key.

Q.E.D.

We've seen some more far-fetched scenarios to justify an invasion before, have we not....?

Z.

I'm sure their solutions will be top-notch (1)

Jim in Buffalo (939861) | about 8 years ago | (#15583744)

I'm sure the Chinese solutions to the spam problem will be top-notch. They'll go around looking for people who appear that they might be some kind of spammer, toss them into the back of a van, and then drive them to the re-education center where they'll have electric shocks applied to their privates until they confess. Meanwhile, the actual problem of spam in China will continue unabated.

Re:I'm sure their solutions will be top-notch (1)

hkgroove (791170) | about 8 years ago | (#15583804)

"...looking for people who appear that they might be some kind of spammer, toss them into the back of a van..."

I believe you're correct, except for the re-education part. Those vans will actually be China's Death Vans [timesonline.co.uk]

'bout time (2, Insightful)

CFrankBernard (605994) | about 8 years ago | (#15583748)

How many years now have numerous email admins either blocked all email from China or score hits to blacklists such as Blackhole's China & Korea Combined very highly? BTW, China definitely has no right to complain about firewall/gateway censorship.

Serious Spam! (2, Funny)

fohat (168135) | about 8 years ago | (#15583760)

I thought this was going to be about the new FPS game "Serious Spam" in which the heroine tries to defeat democracy with her spam gun and filtered Google Water (beta).
But seriously, I hope this cuts down on the number of emails I get with all question marks in the subject line. If China is succesful with this program, perhaps other countries will follow suite. (I'm looking at you, Taiwan! *shakes fist*)

peace out.

Sample spam filter response (1, Troll)

ahodgkinson (662233) | about 8 years ago | (#15583817)

Yeah, I can see it now. Chinese email users can expect messages like the following:

Dear Comrade,

Your attempt to send email has been blocked due to violations of one or more of the following email filter rules:

Your email:

  • contained unsolicited information.
  • promoted products and services critical of the state.
  • contained inappropriate sexual or religious matter.
  • is detrimental to national security.
Note that this list is subject to change or amendment without prior notification or warning. Additional stricter criteria may be applied order to prevent inappropriate email from being distributed.

This violation has been logged by the People's Central Committee and will be carefully investigated. Your presence and full cooperation is required during the investigation, and a full confession will be considered in your favor when your sentence is determined.

As there are severe penalties, including life imprisonment or execution, for sending inappropriate email, your cooperation with the investigating committee is essential.

Re:Sample spam filter response (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15584031)

I only wish I could convince myself that this isn't something that BushCo would try on us after observing its effectiveness in China... Especially since you included the whole "detrimental to national security" part!

The real question.... (4, Interesting)

GOD_ALMIGHTY (17678) | about 8 years ago | (#15583818)

will spammers get the death penalty? Think I just found the ultimate ethical delimma for the average slashdotter. Is it good if China executes a spammer, but does so in it's new fleet of mobile lethal injection vans [usatoday.com] and harvests the organs [amnesty.org] for sale? When cheering the execution of spammers, which at least half the readership here has been waiting for, can you be sure your celebration is for a real spammer or a political dissident?

Re:The real question.... (1)

bitt3n (941736) | about 8 years ago | (#15584375)

harvesting organs from people to whom you've just given a lethal injection.. someone over there needs to retake Police State Governance 101.

Re:The real question.... (1)

TheOtherChimeraTwin (697085) | about 8 years ago | (#15584395)

Good Lord no! Please don't use spammers for harvesting organs! Burn them completely, it is the only safe way. Then sprinkle Holy Water on the ashes.

Gvmnt Servers (2, Interesting)

jeffy210 (214759) | about 8 years ago | (#15583821)

You know, I'm supprised with all the censoring and filtering they do, they just don't mandate all email be sent through government controlled servers and block port 25 on the "great firewall". That way they could say it's in the name of spam (or security, or whatever) and still read what they want. (I know, I know, stop giving them ideas)

Volunteers (2, Funny)

nschubach (922175) | about 8 years ago | (#15583932)

China can have Volunteers?

I was hoping for a follow-up (1)

liak12345 (967676) | about 8 years ago | (#15583952)

I was hoping for a follow-up that said "China Getting 'Serious' About Gold Farmers?" but then I thought if they did they'd recruit 20,000 volunteers to help gold farmers. It's bad enough that they're hoarding real world resources, but when they do it in our MMO's too... that's just too much.

FYI: Email postmasters, please block 70.252.29.129 (0, Offtopic)

iamcf13 (736250) | about 8 years ago | (#15583976)

FYI: Email postmasters, please block 70.252.29.129 (adsl-70-252-29-129.dsl.austtx.swbell.net)

The computer at that IP address has been compromised and is spewing 'bozo spam'. [slashdot.org] I got 3 of them recently for some kind of weightloss product.

Complete details that fully explain why this IP address should be blocked is here. [slashdot.org]

I assure you, this is not a prank, joke, or 'dirty trick' ('joe job').

Thank you for your consideration.

Wait a minute (1)

notBowen (811056) | about 8 years ago | (#15583989)

Didn't Chairman Mao like, invent spam with all those "Little Red Book"s he kept jamming down people's throats?

no matter to me (3, Interesting)

TheGratefulNet (143330) | about 8 years ago | (#15584001)

as each inbound connect attempt (to my ssh port, which I have tightly controlled via tcpwrappers, you morans!) is logged, so is an ipfw (freebsd) firewall entry to block either /24 or - fuck it - /16 from their netblock. IF its from .cn or .tw or .kr (etc). I discover (as they float to my log) and block. full block, not just email.

fark them. there's zero accountability there and I doubt things will change. I run a very small site and so there is no NEED to allow spam^Hemail from those geo's.

Bounces (1)

Nikademus (631739) | about 8 years ago | (#15584011)

Even the biggest chinese ISP doesn't follow RFC (like accepting bounces).
They don't care about how mail works, I would be very curious how they put an end to spam.

Sure... (1)

Beefslaya (832030) | about 8 years ago | (#15584111)

I'm serious about Chinese spam too...

*.ch DISCARD
*.tw DISCARD

That's MY Great Firewall.

Welcome to the Internet... Asso...

Re:Sure... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15584411)

I would think *.cn might be a bit more effective at blocking Chinese spam.

This is BAD news (1)

Idiomatick (976696) | about 8 years ago | (#15584125)

No one wants China to wage war on taiwan but now that they are cracking down on spam taiwan is in trouble. Being the cause of 2/3rds of the spam in the world is just asking for trouble, maybe china will take out a page from the American books and call this "The War on Spam".

Oh please (1)

BigCheese (47608) | about 8 years ago | (#15584266)

Sounds like some Chinese trading partner complained so somebody needs to put on a show. The big-time spammers are all paid up with the right officials so they will be ignored. They will punish a few small-timers to remind them they need to pay up.

When they get another complaint lather, rinse, repeat.

Means nothing to me (1)

cardoso (90714) | about 8 years ago | (#15584342)

I already block China (and Taiwan, to be fair and balanced) using pobox's antispam service.
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