China Getting 'Serious' About Spam? 157
Ritz_Just_Ritz writes "Apparently, the Chinese MII (Ministry of Information) is going to crack down on Spam from within China. This will include training for 1000 mail administrators and recruitment of 20,000 'anti-spam volunteers.'"
Wow, short aricle for sure (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Wow, short aricle for sure (Score:3, Insightful)
fighting spam with spam?
Re:Wow, short aricle for sure (Score:5, Funny)
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Bill Stanley is an example. Not coining him a saint, but Spamhaus has been known to be a bit mafia like in the past. They turn a pretty decent profit.
Looks like romania is about to run out of rackspace in a hurry if they actually (really) do crack down on it.
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I'm going to take a stab in the dark and wager that SPAM simply means "e-mailing the way the government doesn't want you to" in Chinese. Whether that be based on the content or motive of your e-mails. The government seems to be implementing laws that have no clear definition in order to devise a method by which they can jail/fine/deter anyone they want. And it will most likely be met with synchronous thundering applause of one billion people clapping robotically togethor.
Americans lose their freedoms in the name of fighting terrorism. Now the Chinese will lose their freedoms in the name of fighting SPAM. *sigh* Canada keeps looking warmer and warmer.
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eldavojohn, I think you're pushing things a bit far. Everyone agrees that the chinese government is opressive. But this is not Orwell's 1984. The government provides stability, which was rarely present in chinese history. There is no mass shuffling of money from the poor to the rich, although there is increasing disparity these days as industrilization makes it harder to make a living in rural communities. The government really does put the well being of its people first. Ahead of their foreign reputation, which is why we all see them as the bad guys.
I believe China will evolve into a democracy in its own time.
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"The government really does put the well being of its people first. Ahead of their foreign reputation, which is why we all see them as the bad guys
So that is why America hates China! They look after their people!
This statement also holds true:
"Everyone agrees that the AMERICAN government is opressive. But this is not Orwell's 1984. The government provides stability, which was rarely present in AMERICAN history. There is no mass shuffling of money from the poor to the rich, although there is
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I guess the main weapon left to the masses is that of information dissemination, and the main limitation for advanced oppressive governments is limited prison space.
Just my measly two cents.
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Yeah, well, wait till November rolls around. Then you'll be saying, "Screw this freedom crap. I'm goin' to Mexico."
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You don't know that (Score:5, Insightful)
I.e., it seems to me pretty stupid to assume that any law in China is somehow _guaranteed_ be 100% for oppression purposes, and only disguised in a more propaganda-friendly guise. Maybe someone there genuinely got fed up with spam. Maybe a bunch of bosses in the PRC just had one day too many of finding their inboxes full of "H3rb@1 \/i@gr@" emails. Or maybe it was the "Thousands of 18 year old teens waiting for you!!!" mails. China's conservative leadership tends to take a very grim view of pornography, plus they have _much_ higher age of consent.
Are those volunteers paid to either read other people's emails and to point fingers at demand? How do you know that? How do you know it's not just people paid to register email addresses and use them all over the place, and see what spam lands in those inboxes? Or maybe run honeypots to see who's actually commanding the army of spam-bots with Joe-job faked sender addresses? Or whatever? For the size of China 1000 admins and 20,000 volunteers is a spit in the ocean, if their goal was to read all emails. But to run a honeypot net or to get reliable reports of who's been spamming their inboxes, it may be just enough.
Basically the D&D mentality that some people are by definition evil, hence they can only ever give evil laws, is so fucking stupid that it's not even funny. _Noone_ defines themselves as evil, sworn enemy of all goodness, and able to only ever do evil stuff, like in retarded D&D-type settings and cheap fantasy flicks. The Real Life isn't divided neatly like that.
In RL even the most horrible dictator may really think they're only doing just what's good for their country (even if for everyone else it doesn't really count as good), and not just acting out of some Sith-like determination to extinguish all goodness. RL "evil" is more about not caring about collateral damage done than being some sworn destroyer of all that's still good and pure. And sometimes, even if by accident, their notion of "good" may actually be good.
That's all I'm saying here too. Just assuming "The Chinese government is evil, hence any Chinese law _must_ be 100% for the sole purpose of crushing freedoms and harming people" is just bullshit. We just don't know that. Assuming you can "translate" like that, is just some self-righteous bullshit, nothing more.
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Except the differences between the penalties under the ordinary and 'political' laws in the USSR (and I am sure Ma
Re:You don't know that (Score:3, Insightful)
I'm just saying that even evil people sometimes do good things. It doesn't necessarily make them less evil, but it doesn't make the act automatically evil by association either.
E.g., Al Capone on one hand ordered some brutal massacres, but on the other hand opened soup kitchens for the victims of the great depression and paid (out of that ill gotten money) for shelter and clothing for them. Was he evil? Yes. Were his soup kitche
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D&D? I thought it was a Republican thing.
Site already Slow.. Heres the article (Score:4, Funny)
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Either way, Central Services will probably end up doing all the dirty work.
My only suggestion: make sure they've filled out a 27b/6 form before you let them lay a finger your server. But then, I'm a bit of a stickler for paperwork.
I wanna volunteer (Score:5, Funny)
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You see its not just a job...it's a career!
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"Have you ever found yourself wanting to be the bad guy in a Alan Pakula [imdb.com] film?"
-Eric
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Also, I think attaching the jumper cables is a bit painful too. Besides, who are we to argue with chinese government officials. I am sure they are more versed in the latest methods of torture than we are.
Volunteers (Score:5, Funny)
Just curious.
Re:Volunteers (Score:1)
You've got to love the communist system of involuntary volunteering.
Re:Volunteers (Score:2)
Or involuntary taxation.
Wake me up (Score:4, Insightful)
when the get 'serious' about spam coming _outside_ of China!
About 50% of my spam has url's resolving back to China or Korea.
Re:Wake me up (Score:2)
Re:Wake me up (Score:5, Funny)
"Thank you for your interest in Falun Gong. Information
is being mailed to you."
"Spam" (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:"Spam" (Score:2)
They need an excuse?
Re:"Spam" (Score:1)
You've got it the wrong way round. They're having trouble reading everybody's mail right now because of all the spam. They want to get rid of the spam so that their spies and censors stop trying to sneak penis enlargement devices onto their expense reports.
Re:"Spam" (Score:1)
Defeat Spam with Spam (Score:2, Funny)
Ok, but... (Score:1)
The vast majority of my spam comes from US, or at least english speaking countries. When can we make some serious headway on fighting that?
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As for US sources... I guess existing law isn't enough because rather than criminal penalties, they are merely ignored or fined and sent on their way as their sponsors move to the next huckster.
We know who most of these peopl
Re:Ok, but... (Score:2)
Spammers are difficult to catch...Ok but you can catch their so called "sponsors" and break the business model.
For example Mortgage...Sooner or later a real "brick & mortar" company has to appear. Money has to be borrowed from a registered company.
A lot of SPAMs contain a US toll-free phone number. Why is it so difficult to find the owner/user?
Cialis (unless they are fake)...I guess you can easily track their origin from the factory to th
Re:Ok, but... (Score:2)
in principle yes, in practice there are a few complicating factors that mean this doesn't tend to happen.
1: afaict the sponsors tend to by fly by night firms anyway and the spammers really don't care what happens to the clients once they have been paid.
2: afaict spamming is in itself not illegal in the USA or most of the world, many methods spammers use are illegal (using hacked machines, forging s
US priorities (Score:4, Insightful)
Regardless of whether or not we have a copy of a blank check signed by the RIAA to [insert politician here], this passive aggression our leaders are so fond of is very telling.
Re:US priorities (Score:2)
I find it informing that our politicians are willing to sanction trade with Sweden because *our* (i.e. Not Their) laws say they are infringing on our IP. But we haven't heard anything of the sort in relation to China and Nigeria over spam (a much bigger problem).
Uh, duh. China has a huge market for US businesses and nukes. Nigeria has oil. What assests does Sweden have? (Besides ones that would make neo cons uncomfortable.)
Let's put the "volunteers" to good use. (Score:2)
A little random number generation on the back end, and we're all good.
550 - Stegospam hash recognized in message body. Thank you for your support of Falun Dafa. Use key responding with #48187 to access payment - U8FDO 4J7D3 5FLI0 0S5DX RTND6
Let's put those 'volunteers' to good work.
Well, they had better get cracking (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Well, they had better get cracking (Score:4, Funny)
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http://www.spamhaus.org/statistics/countries.lass
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Will they treat spammers like Falun Gong members? (Score:2, Insightful)
Those mail admins will be one in a million (Score:3, Interesting)
To tackle "Tiananmen" and "Democracy" spam first (Score:2)
-Eric
Re:To tackle "Tiananmen" and "Democracy" spam firs (Score:1)
Looks like china.blackholes.us stays in the mail config then
then its the sbl, and then spews. == China not good place for internet hosting.
Can't solve all your problems that way (Score:4, Interesting)
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Reminder (Score:1)
Fighting spam or...speech? (Score:2)
This sounds a lot like their all-volunteer internet morality police at their universities and internet cafes. Self-proclaimed enforcers will tip off the authorities to something they don't like, maybe spam, maybe just free speech. The article doesn't
contacts in china (Score:1)
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* Forbid the use of users' own machines to send spam (aka blocking port 25).
* Block open proxies
* Forbid anonymity in name registries.
* Clean infected computers regularly
I'm sure it would be easy for the Chinese govt to implement these measures. I'm also sure that most of the SPAM sent through China is done via open proxies and botnets - not by the users themselves.
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Re:China has a long way to go (Score:4, Interesting)
Yes I can. And I do. Fuck, we spend more on prisoners than we do on students, let alone military. And guess what? The military gets more money than the correctional system, which also gets a super shitload of cash.
You don't know what the fuck you're talking about, especially in the last, oh, term and a half. From surplus to record deficit in six years - specifically due to military spending.
$90bn : $455bn or 4.2% : 3.9% (of GDP) (Score:2)
from Wikipedia.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China's_military_bud
Also From CIA Factbook !
PRC $81.48 billion (2005 est.)
USA $518.1 billion (FY04 est.) (2005 est.)
Surely you are the kettle calling the pot black.
too bad! (Score:1)
Nobody seems worried over at Specialham (Score:5, Interesting)
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I turned Javascript off & was able to read away.
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Perhaps that's one reason why we see so much "Chinese" spam trying to sell stu
2+2 = ? (Score:2, Interesting)
-A while back we were told Taiwan held the world cup for spam (small statue of a devil holding an envelope).
-Now China wants to crack down on spam.
-I see only one way they can do this, or am I terribly mistaken? (P.S Yes I am aware issue is cleared up in summary. Just laugh.)
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Since
-1) China takes great pains to make it obvious that they still consider Taiwan an integral part of their country.
-2) Taiwan is arguably responsible for such a huge amount of SPAM that they are considered the world's biggest offender
-3) China has finally decided to crack down on SPAM for real (or so they say).
The only logical route to really crack down on SPAM will be to invade Taiwan, and make sure to put those shady list operators under lock and key.
Q.E.D.
We've seen
I'm sure their solutions will be top-notch (Score:1)
Re:I'm sure their solutions will be top-notch (Score:1)
I believe you're correct, except for the re-education part. Those vans will actually be China's Death Vans [timesonline.co.uk]
'bout time (Score:2, Insightful)
Serious Spam! (Score:2, Funny)
But seriously, I hope this cuts down on the number of emails I get with all question marks in the subject line. If China is succesful with this program, perhaps other countries will follow suite. (I'm looking at you, Taiwan! *shakes fist*)
peace out.
Sample spam filter response (Score:2, Troll)
Dear Comrade,
Your attempt to send email has been blocked due to violations of one or more of the following email filter rules:
Your email:
Note that this list is subject to change or amendment without prior notification or warning.
The real question.... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Sadly, it is possible. At least in the US, the lethal injection is actually two injections in series. The first one is a fast-acting general anaesthetic and knocks the victim out. The second one is a poison that stops the heart. Between steps 1 and 2, harvesting the unconscious prisoner's organs is possible without poisoning the receipient.
Of course, knowing the
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Chinese food (Score:1, Troll)
I remember some years ago, Chinese authorities uncovered a black market for human flesh, after someone claimed a relative's body from which the leg muscles had been cut off.
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Ugh. Creepy. Not to invoke Godwin's Law, but as someone whose family was in Poland during the Holocaust (and quite a few of them were killed in the camps), this hits a bit close to home. State-sponsored killing is still killing, no matter how much we try to sugar-coat and medicalize it. Personally, I prefer the bullet to the back of the neck. At least it's honest -
Gvmnt Servers (Score:3, Interesting)
Volunteers (Score:1, Funny)
FYI: Email postmasters, please block 70.252.29.129 (Score:1, Offtopic)
The computer at that IP address has been compromised and is spewing 'bozo spam'. [slashdot.org] I got 3 of them recently for some kind of weightloss product.
Complete details that fully explain why this IP address should be blocked is here. [slashdot.org]
I assure you, this is not a prank, joke, or 'dirty trick' ('joe job').
Thank you for your consideration.
Re:FYI: Email postmasters, please block 70.252.29. (Score:2)
Wait a minute (Score:1)
no matter to me (Score:4, Interesting)
fark them. there's zero accountability there and I doubt things will change. I run a very small site and so there is no NEED to allow spam^Hemail from those geo's.
Bounces (Score:1)
They don't care about how mail works, I would be very curious how they put an end to spam.
Sure... (Score:1)
*.ch DISCARD
*.tw DISCARD
That's MY Great Firewall.
Welcome to the Internet... Asso...
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Oh please (Score:2)
When they get another complaint lather, rinse, repeat.
Means nothing to me (Score:1)
F1gh7 5Pam and M A K E $$$ (Score:2, Funny)
Si gn UP n0w and B1 of 1000 34rning BIG $$$ gov J0B
als0 R3crui7ing 20000!!! voleeteer to FIGHT SP4M!
OK I can't be the first to think that this might be their way to find "volenteers" to do this. Oh the Irony!
Please USA, get 'Serious' about Spam too. (Score:3, Informative)
Absolutely no point (Score:2)
There is one thing and one thing ONLY that will slow down spam at this point: A concerted and highly publicised series of spammer executions, taking place over the next two years.
Alan Ralsky? Bullet to the head. Tony Banks? Same thing.
Two years of putting _all_ major spammers to death might slow things down. Nothing less will.
Now I'm not saying that this is the right move, or a noble, honourable, or moral one. Howe
You can get your answer dynamically, any time (Score:3, Informative)
Click here: http://www.senderbase.org/ [senderbase.org]
You will notice "top senders by domain". There are some telecoms "shouldn't be" there. They are the spam infested ISPs who doesn't have a clue about managing their services. Sadly it includes my backbone too.
I seriously suspect China spam is sort of foreign policy. As a spamcop (free,paid)/) user for years I have right to suspect so. Also if ISPs, large ISPs end this "politically correct" crap and enable country wide user selectable blocking lists you will see how they buy those Ironport, eSafe etc. devices by paying 1% of their revenue.
What about commercial communications? Well you will tell your business partner to find a better managed ISP.
MII? (Score:2)
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Ever hear the phrase zombie host? [wikipedia.org]