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TiVoToGo for Portables Updated

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the more-like-sopranos-to-go dept.

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fistfullast33l writes "In a followup to previous stories on Slashdot, IGN is reporting that TiVo has released a new version of TiVoToGo that now allows subscribers to transfer shows to portables such as the iPod, PSP, and Treo without the need for third-party software such as Videora. The upgrade costs $25 for current subscribers and includes the ability to transfer to desktop PCs as well. To recap, you can now transfer your TiVo shows to your laptop, desktop, and portable, as well as burn them to DVD. Time for me to subscribe to HBO."

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TiVo without Slingbox is like... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15595937)

A computer without a streaming video server.

But still not available for MacOS... (3, Insightful)

OneOver137 (674481) | more than 8 years ago | (#15595949)

Hard to believe they still don't have a Mac version. Check out the graphics on their site. The "PC" they use kinda looks like a Mac to me.

Re:But still not available for MacOS... (1)

PunkOfLinux (870955) | more than 8 years ago | (#15595957)

that's because macs looks better than most computers...

Re:But still not available for MacOS... (1)

vleck (134134) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596343)

They figure why bother? Best of both worlds with Bootcamp/Parallels.
We now have to hope for Apple to create a Tivo replacement.

Re:But still not available for MacOS... (1)

Johnny Doughnuts (767951) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596434)

It might run bootcamp.

Re:But still not available for MacOS... (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596671)

"The "PC" they use kinda looks like a Mac to me."

Looks like a PC using an Apple display to me. The mouse and the tower should be a dead giveaway. :P

Re:But still not available for MacOS... (1)

dfghjk (711126) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599010)

Whys is it hard to believe? Lots of vendors don't bother with fringe OS'es.

Re:But still not available for MacOS... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15600622)

Hahaha... ha! You're stupid.

Quick someone alert the MPAA! (2, Funny)

Umuri (897961) | more than 8 years ago | (#15595954)

Surely such technology will only promote filesharing and pirating of movies! We must alert the MPAA and take down this horrid threat to the american way of life! Ohh.... wait... it's done by a corporation that charges you money to use it, therefore it can't be illegal or morally wrong. Carry on!

Live television on cell phones and wifi devices (3, Informative)

totallygeek (263191) | more than 8 years ago | (#15595975)

FYI, there is a great service which can be used to view live television, called MobiTV [mobitv.com] .

Or get a Slingbox (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15596120)

And watch your own cable/pvr/etc with Slingbox Mobile.

Re:Live television on cell phones and wifi devices (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596577)

Watching video on an iPod or PSP is tolerable at best. I still don't understand the appeal (besides the "BLING" factor) of watching videos on a phone.

Re:Live television on cell phones and wifi devices (1)

ncc74656 (45571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15597739)

Watching video on an iPod or PSP is tolerable at best. I still don't understand the appeal (besides the "BLING" factor) of watching videos on a phone.

The battery life is better than on your notebook, and it's not as much crap to haul out of the overhead storage bin. The tiny screen on your typical cellphone isn't all that great, but the bigger screen on a Treo or similar device is watchable enough.

Re:Live television on cell phones and wifi devices (1)

rgravina (520410) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600937)

I've got three words for ya - boring train commute.

Or I could do the whole thing for free... (3, Informative)

demongeek (977698) | more than 8 years ago | (#15595989)

Re:Or I could do the whole thing for free... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15596070)

free if you don't have to buy a usb to ethernet adaptor which is more expensive then the one time cost to activate the product. overal, a nice alternative but depends on your situation i guess.

Re:Or I could do the whole thing for free... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15596079)

Well from what I read, the biggest benefit is the removal of the DRM that TiVo encases their programming in.

Before you bitch about the fee... (4, Informative)

Controlio (78666) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596003)

I know that I was a little disappointed at paying the additional money for this feature... but it boils down to codec licensing. Quoth the TiVoPony:

The upgrade? While TiVo Desktop 2.3 is free (as always), and the automatic transferring of programs to the PC is also free, the ability to convert those recording for portables has a small cost. It's $24.95 to unlock that ability (there's stuff in there that we have to license, and we can't give that away to everyone for free). But it's a one time fee...you pay once, and you can convert your recordings for playback on your portable automatically, every time they're transfered.

Re:Before you bitch about the fee... (1)

stunt_penguin (906223) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596553)

Yea, the PSP etc all use MPEG-4, so there's probably a codec licencsing issue there (like there is with the PSP conversion stuff that comes with Nero). It's not unreasonable though, I suppose, given what you get out of it and what they could have asked.

Resolution low + Tivo still allows broadcast flag (4, Informative)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596021)

People are joking that they should alert the MPAA on this one. But, seriously, TivotoGo portable transfer seriously lowers the resolution of your recordings (you didn't expect to get that nice Mpeg-2 quality directly out of the Tivo did you?). And, of course, Tivo still allows networks to set the broadcast flag on shows to keep them from being transferred or burned to DVD at all (so far, mercifully, not many are apparently using this "feature").

So TivotoGo is hardly everything it's cracked up to be (if you want true freedom, you'll still have to set up MythTV or a similar app). Adding portable support is a step in the right direction. And it is nice to be able to transfer recordings to DVD (but only using Tivo's special codec on the encrypted transferred files).

-Eric

Re:Resolution low + Tivo still allows broadcast fl (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15597212)

The down rez hardly matters if you are watching these programs on your iPod, PSP, Treo, Palm Lifedrive, etc. You don't need a lot of picture quality for that; it would just be wasted hard drive space.

As to your other points, if you really want to transfer at full picture quality and if you want to strip out DRM, TiVo watermarking, broadcast flags, etc., etc., there already exist ways for you to do this. It's not hard to figure out if you know how to use a search engine and do a little digging on TiVo-related forums. It's silly to expect TiVo, Inc., to do this work for you, however, as they are subject to legal reprisals.

TiVo2Go works fine for what it is intended for: time shifting your TiVo content on to small portable devices. That is good enough for 90% of TiVo users. For the rest, the TiVo "hacking" and the TiVo HME communities have plenty of solutions to offer to fulfill their needs.

Re:Resolution low + Tivo still allows broadcast fl (1)

djrogers (153854) | more than 8 years ago | (#15597518)

TivotoGo portable transfer seriously lowers the resolution of your recordings (you didn't expect to get that nice Mpeg-2 quality directly out of the Tivo did you?).
Umm, no I didn't - that's the point of a product that transcodes for a *portable* device. You still have the full resolution version sitting on your PC - TiVoToGo doesn't drop resolution on normal transfers...

Secondly, TTG doesn't use a 'special codec' on DVD burns - if they did it wouldn't work in a DVD player. It simply decrypts the tivo transport stream and uses the same MPEG2 encoded video that's present on your tivo box. I know it's cool to brag about your mythtv box on /., but seriously, do we have to resort to making stuff up about other products to make ourselves even cooler?

That being said, I personally prefer my hacked tivo with vserver on the box and VLC as my PC viewer (see, I can brag about l33tne$$ too). I transcode (yes, and lower the 'resolution' - *gasp*) for my portable using pocket divx encoder or ffmpeg. My Mom on the other hand is quite happy with TTG for ipod transfers.

.... new? (1)

nephillim (980798) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596058)

TivoToGo has been arround for a while... completly free for qute a while and already included the ability to do everything EXCEPT to the mobile devices without third party software. What they also didnt say, and what I do most of all is go the OPPOSITE route using TivoToGo.... ... you can use a third party program to encode divx avi files into mpeg and put them in your "tivo download" folder on your pc. then you can upload all of those backup movies or tvshows from your hard drive on your computer to the tivo. (on tivo your computer shows up on the now playing list) ... even on a wireless B network (all my tivo NIC supports) shows download to tivo faster than I watch them.

TiVoToGoOnTreoGoGoGo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15596087)

oooohhhhoooo!

Tracking (4, Interesting)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596124)

From the web page:

Television programs transferred to portable devices using TiVo Desktop Plus contain information that can be used to identify the TiVo account and/or DVR from which the transfer originated.

Re:Tracking (0)

hexix (9514) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596237)

Good!

Seriously, this is exactly what they should do if they're worried about their content being uploaded to the internet. I would much rather have some sort of watermark that is invisible to me than to have restrictive DRM that forces me to used Windows or any particular device. I still can't watch the TivoToGo stuff on my mac or my linux machine, so at least they're starting to go in the right direction. One day maybe I'll be able to use the services I'm paying Tivo for.

Re:Tracking (2, Informative)

Buran (150348) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596915)

restrictive DRM that forces me to used Windows or any particular device

Considering the tool only runs on Windows, they've already managed to accomplish that.

I'm a TiVo user (have lifetime sub on my box, actually, and 160GBx2 of drive space, and might get a Series 3; we'll see) but I'm also a Mac user, and every time there's a new update, it still doesn't have a Mac counterpart.

Simply inexcusable.

Re:Tracking (1)

armitage_23 (168577) | more than 8 years ago | (#15597569)

Why haven't you hacked your Tivo? I have a DirecTV unit upgraded with a 200gb drive and USB2 support. I'm able to download shows, strip out commercials, and burn to DVD or compress for a portable using.

It wasn't that hard, especially for anyone who's ever put together a PC and used a unix command line.

Re:Tracking (1)

phaggood (690955) | more than 8 years ago | (#15600276)

> hacked Tivo ... DirecTV unit .. wasn't that hard

So, tell how it's done? Links? ( I have one of the DirecTV units and have been annoyed at many of it's "features", especially the disabled USB ports).

Re:Tracking (1)

Buran (150348) | more than 8 years ago | (#15601233)

I haven't needed to. I don't actually have a use for TTG at the moment, although the lack of a Mac version still does bother me because there's no excuse to not have it.

Re:Tracking (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596678)

"Television programs transferred to portable devices using TiVo Desktop Plus contain information that can be used to identify the TiVo account and/or DVR from which the transfer originated."

TiVo being evil, or TiVo being afraid of the *AA?

ultimately a disappointment... (5, Interesting)

justin_w_hall (188568) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596152)

(stole this from my own review)

as an owner of both supported mobile devices (the ipod video and the psp) i found it a noble gesture, but ultimately it fails. here's why:
  • first, it costs $25 to even enable the feature. their ceo says [engadget.com] it's to help pay for the licensing costs... i guess, but it's still too pricey for a simple add-on. divide that number by five and i might consider it. especially when i have to buy a separate license for every PC i run the software from. it should be tied to the device's media access key, IMHO.
  • you can't convert stuff you've already transferred over from your tivo to the mobile format. i use my PC as a backup for my tivo - as the DVR runs out of room i move stuff over to the PC and stream it from there if i want to watch it. so the ~30 shows sitting on my PC are gone off my tivo and I can't re-transfer them.
  • i can't convert-on-demand. i have to go into the preferences and turn on mobile conversion, and then transfer a show from the tivo. wrong, guys, i should be able to right click on a show from the list and convert on the fly.
  • i can't convert to both ipod and psp formats at once. true, i'm a gadget nerd and few probably own both devices, but give me the option instead of leaving it out. i don't get why software developers continually forget that more options = happier consumersx.
  • the psp has a 480x272 widescreen. i should be able to render my tivo recordings at that resolution, but output from this app is max 320x240. which will look sad and grainy on my psp.
  • they still haven't fixed long transfer times. there's no reason at all that it should take an hour to copy a 1GB file from my tivo to my PC on my 100mbit LAN.
  • the transfers take a long time, so if my connection dies during a transfer or i lose power, the software should allow resuming of transfers. nope. restart it and walk away for another hour.
the featureset is tolerable for your average user, but i don't think those are the people downloading this application. consider it statistically - how many people own a Tivo and have a home network? out of those, how many bother to try to transfer shows off of the DVR to their PC? out of those, how many want to convert them for use on one of these two portable devices? the small group of users that fit into this category are likely schmoes like me that shake their head at sub-par functionality.

bottom line is, it feels like tivo rushes this type of thing out the door and risks distancing themselves from the only people who are still rooting for them. writers have been sounding their death knell [gizmodo.com] for a while now [engadget.com] . where's the series 3 [arstechnica.com] box? are there enough compelling features to push me to upgrade to it, if it ever comes out? what are their engineers and developers doing in their spare time, then, since we haven't seen a new product in eons? do they really not have the available time to write a five star product instead of a weak little three star app that almost cuts it?

fortunately i run mostly windows still so i won't complain about the lack of full OSX support [pvrblog.com] , although i have tried their version of tivo desktop for OSX and it won't even start up on my macbook.

remember, with two free applications (directshowdump and videora/pspvideo9) you can strip out the DRM and render the video at whatever size you want for your portable devices. don't shell out $25 for a DRM-crippled, slow, clunky, low-res solution.

Re:ultimately a disappointment... (1)

kingofwaldos (645744) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596267)

I think the speed issue is because TiVo (at least through series2) has only USB 1.1, so your bottleneck is at 12 Mbps. I've heard that the Dual Tuner models have integrated ethernet, so I would think that would be much, much faster.

Re:ultimately a disappointment... (2, Informative)

mark0 (750639) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596280)

All TiVos, except those with service numbers that begin with "1" have USB2.0 hardware. The bottleneck is the CPU. Additionally, the complaint in the grandparent post about not being able to convert on demand is crap. You can run the conversion utility on demand... you just have to take the time to look.

Re:ultimately a disappointment... (2, Insightful)

hexix (9514) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596288)

bottom line is, it feels like tivo rushes this type of thing out the door and risks distancing themselves from the only people who are still rooting for them. writers have been sounding their death knell for a while now. where's the series 3 box? are there enough compelling features to push me to upgrade to it, if it ever comes out? what are their engineers and developers doing in their spare time, then, since we haven't seen a new product in eons? do they really not have the available time to write a five star product instead of a weak little three star app that almost cuts it?

It seems to me they're doing the opposite of rushing anything. They announced this a very long time ago and we're just now seeing it. Transcoding is a very simple thing, and there are programs all over the web to do it. So why then does it take Tivo so long to add this feature? Why are mac users STILL waiting for TivoToGo support. What has it been? A year? Two years?

I don't think the problem is that Tivo doesn't have their priorities straight. I think the problem is they are talentless hacks. Whoever the programmers were that started the Tivo product must not be around anymore. The people doing it now seem incapable of getting anything completed on a reasonable timeframe. And when they do finally get it completed it's almost always very crappy.

I'm at the point where I wish someone would come along and make a nice DVR box for like 300 bucks that just acts as a VCR with a hard drive. I don't need to rate my shows. I don't need to get every rerun of Family Guy that airs on any channel at any time. All I need to do is be able to easily record shows without swapping tapes/DVDs. And the best part is I wouldn't have to pay for this stupid service fee. Especially when I see all these new features unavailable to me as a Mac/Linux user.

Re:ultimately a disappointment... (1)

rworne (538610) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596440)

It seems to me they're doing the opposite of rushing anything. They announced this a very long time ago and we're just now seeing it. Transcoding is a very simple thing, and there are programs all over the web to do it. So why then does it take Tivo so long to add this feature? Why are mac users STILL waiting for TivoToGo support. What has it been? A year? Two years?


About January 2004. Two and a half years ago.

Not to mention that on the Tivocommunity website a TiVo rep there (TiVoPony) said Mac support would be there by mid year 2006. Well, I guess not - unless something gets shoved out the door over the next few days.

Re:ultimately a disappointment... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15596690)

"I'm at the point where I wish someone would come along and make a nice DVR box for like 300 bucks that just acts as a VCR with a hard drive."

Isn't that exactly what a Tivo is without a subscription?

Re:ultimately a disappointment... (1)

Generic Guy (678542) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603142)

"...acts as a VCR with a hard drive."

Isn't that exactly what a Tivo is without a subscription?

Actually, no. A Tivo (at least series-2 units) without a subscription is more like a $300 doorstop. Even for series-1 units, they removed the "dumb VCR" mode in later versions of the TiVo OS. Nice, eh... keeps the pleebs tied to that monthly service fee.

Re:ultimately a disappointment... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15596672)

  • you can't convert stuff you've already transferred over from your tivo to the mobile format. i use my PC as a backup for my tivo - as the DVR runs out of room i move stuff over to the PC and stream it from there if i want to watch it. so the ~30 shows sitting on my PC are gone off my tivo and I can't re-transfer them.
  • i can't convert to both ipod and psp formats at once. true, i'm a gadget nerd and few probably own both devices, but give me the option instead of

I can't argue with the rest of your points, but it is possible to convert already transferred shows as well as the more than one format. You just can't use the GUI to do so. You'll need to use the TiVoConverter.exe program from the command line to do so. It's an undocumented feature, but it isn't too hard to figure out how to do it if you know that TiVoConverter.exe takes two parameters (the 2nd being the filename). The first parameter can be found by looking in the windows registry and the encodeprofiles.xml file in the Support directory.

That said there are better programs for converting. TiVo Desktop isn't designed for hard core users. It is designed for the Joe TiVo who just wants to transfer a few shows over and watch them on his iPod/PsP/Treo/whatever.

It's all bits (3, Interesting)

FoaadH (983035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596249)

I personally hate all types of packaged media (DVD, HD-DVD, Blue HD-DVD ...) and all broadcast protocols (DVB-C, DVB-S ...) I use my PC for everything from programming to entertainment so I hope a day well come where all media well be delivered as plain bits (streamed or not) so it would be easier for people to do whatever they want with it (store, copy, burn, ...) of course some new approaches like DRM are moving in the other direction (complicating things rather than simplifying them).

TiVO/Motorola == Apple/Microsoft (1)

grumling (94709) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596339)

I spent the last few days attending the SCTE [scte.org] Tech Expo. I was really looking forward to seeing a TiVO booth, hopefully showing off their new interface for Motorola set top boxes and maybe the dual tuner Hidef box they had at CES. They were a no show (However, Moxi was there... I didn't even know they were still in business).

Motorola's big push is to get all of their product lines interacting. They had working demos of a "whole home DVR" that will let you pause on one TV and pick up right where you leave off on another, view any content on any set top, and (if DRM allows it) send video to PCs and cell phones. The box that will allow transfers to cell phones was just a cardboard box, but with a lot of handwaving, we got the idea.

I'm thinking that TiVO is going to become the Apple of the set top industry. One can only hope they will continue to be innovative. In this case, I think it is a no brainer to come up with an easy to use way to get video to handheld devices, but someone needs to just do it. A mini-SD card reader on the USB port would be a simple way to get video on my phone, although the series 2 boxes were only USB1.1, so something in the background would make more sense.

Re:TiVO/Motorola == Apple/Microsoft (2, Informative)

cryfreedomlove (929828) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596387)

Tivo is no where close to being the Apple of the set top industry. They are in danger of ceasing to exist because their annual revenue is still short of $200 million per year and they continue to burn their available cash [google.com] on hand. They just do not have the capital needed to create the next great leap of innovation.

Re:TiVO/Motorola == Apple/Microsoft (1)

shmlco (594907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15597087)

No, they're ceasing to exist because--from my perspective--they're insisting on the razor blade model, and demanding $20/month just to supply TV listings. (And for what, 3 or 4 20-second downloads a month?)

I would have bought one of the silly things a long time ago if I could have BOUGHT one and been done with it. Or if the "subscription" was $20 a YEAR (price of TV guide). As is, I don't need yet another $20/month "service" perpetually draining my credit card.

Re:TiVO/Motorola == Apple/Microsoft (1)

triffid_98 (899609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15599297)

In reality-land, Tivo is between a rock and a hard place. I really salute them for creating this, but between the MPAA bitching about piracy, advertisers trying to axe them for enabling ad-skipping and the cable companies trying to undercut them on price (why buy a Tivo if you get virtually the same thing for free from your cable provider?), they are so screwed. Hard core geeks will build their own hacked PVR's that stream 8 feeds at once for $0 a month, and have no watermarking bullshit. If they can't sell this on Joe 6-pack they are DOA, and Joe 6-pack is just not clued in on this whole PVR digital media transfer thing.

Tivo is no where close to being the Apple of the set top industry. They are in danger of ceasing to exist because their annual revenue is still short of $200 million per year and they continue to burn their available cash on hand. They just do not have the capital needed to create the next great leap of innovation.

HBO? (3, Insightful)

misleb (129952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596560)

Time for me to subscribe to HBO.

The pay movie channels really aren't all that great, IMO. Except for the homegrown series that can be pretty good, the movie selection sucks. They just repeat the same limited set of movies all month long. And if you have a cable provider that does on-demand, you can usually watch most of them for free anytime you want. For the cost of just one or two premium channels you can get a Netflix account and get just about any movie you want. Spend a month or three seriously abusing Netflix and you can end up with a pretty big collection of ripped movies which you can reencode however you want and put on whatever device you want.

Heck, I don't even have cable anymore. I used to use a MythTV box to record TV, but now I just use it to play shows downloaded from Bittorrent. That is, when it is too early to get the show on DVD from Netflix. I wasn't watching the commercials anyway, so I don't feel like a pirate. (they were being broadcast for free originally). Saves a lot of money per month. Cable is just too damn expensive.

Pay $25.00 or use a free utility. (1)

Brobock (226116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596710)

Sure, people can pay $25.00 for something that should be given to subscribers for free.

OR

One can just download TIVO2AVI/TIVO2WMV/TIVO2MPG for free. All you have to do is enter your Media code to decrypt the .tivo file and it will convert to basically any format. I have no doubt there are free utilities to convert from the above formats into PSP and ipod formats.

The transfer time from the tivo to the desktop is ungodly for being just 1 GB for a 1 hour show. I assume this is due to the media partition being encrypted and has to decrypt to an encrypted .tivo file on the way to the desktop.

Re:Pay $25.00 or use a free utility. (1)

Brobock (226116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596733)

Sure, people can pay $25.00 for something that should be given to subscribers for free.

OR

One can just download TIVO2AVI/TIVO2WMV/TIVO2MPG for free. All you have to do is enter your Media code to decrypt the .tivo file and it will convert to basically any format. I have no doubt there are free utilities to convert from the above formats into PSP and ipod formats.

The transfer time from the tivo to the desktop is ungodly for being just 1 GB for a 1 hour show. I assume this is due to the media partition being encrypted and has to decrypt to an encrypted .tivo file on the way to the desktop.


Update to my article:
One can just download tivo2 conversion utility [tvharmony.com] for free (TIVO2AVI/TIVO2WMV/TIVO2MPG/TIVO2PSP/TIVO2IPOD/TIV O2PALM). All you have to do is enter your Media code to decrypt the .tivo file and it will convert to basically any format.

Re:Pay $25.00 or use a free utility. (1)

rasper99 (247555) | more than 8 years ago | (#15597021)

The transfer time from the tivo to the desktop is ungodly for being just 1 GB for a 1 hour show. I assume this is due to the media partition being encrypted and has to decrypt to an encrypted .tivo file on the way to the desktop.

The .tivo file is encrypted on your PC. I think Tivo2go rocks! I get about 3 gig an hour transfer rate.

The setup is a wired connection and a Linksys USB200M adapter on the Tivo. The Tivo is a standard 60 hour Tivo brand series 2. In case you can't find it elsewhere the Linksys USB200M is available at the Tivo online store for $29.99. Big files like wires. A two hour movie at medium quality (3 gig) transfers in about 1 hour.

If I want to remove commercials I do best quality recording and use Sonic. Takes about 10 minutes of my time per hour of show to delete commercials. Processing takes about 2.5 hours per hour of show.

If I don't care about removing commercials there is a fast way to make a DVD:

1. Medium quality recording. That way the MPEG file is an acceptable resolution for step 3

2. TVHarmony to convert to MPEG

3. Sony DVD architect (other DVD software might work) to create the DVD

It doesn't re-encode the video so the quality is about as good as the best quality/Sonic solution above. It does have to re-encode the audio but that only takes like 30 minutes for a 2 hour movie. I could take commercials out in the DVD software but it's a pain. DVD players have fast forward.

One thing I found to be an issue was trying to start transferring a show that recorded and was playing but paused on the Tivo. It wouldn't work. Just go back to the now playing menu, start the transfer then back to watching the show. By the time you are done watching it's transferred. Myth, etc sound nice but try to train your wife to use them.

Life Ungotten (2, Insightful)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15596724)

To recap, you can now transfer your TiVo shows to your laptop, desktop, and portable, as well as burn them to DVD. Time for me to subscribe to HBO."

Let's see, $50 for basic cable, $20 extra for HBO, $15 for your Tivo subscription. That's a really big recurring cost. You could go to a lot of movies and rent a lot of DVDs for that much. Perhaps you're willing to pay a huge premium just to see the latest ep of The Sopranos without waiting for it come out on DVD. Or maybe you (shudder) spend so much time in front of the tube that it's a bargain.

But most likely, you're like most consumers: you've been programmed to shell out big money for little bits of entertainment. Now that is really a sad though.

Re:Life Ungotten (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605307)

But most likely, you're like most consumers: you've been programmed to shell out big money for little bits of entertainment. Now that is really a sad though.

Nice point about the high cost of entertainment nowadays, but I bet you probably live under a rock and get your TV via antenna? The point is that we all have to pay this crazy amount to get any kind of entertainment. Personally, I don't own TiVo or HBO. I pay $54 a month for digital cable (NYC no longer has basic cable service) so all in all it's not that bad. Where I really get slapped around is another $45 for Road Runner, but I rent so I can't exactly install a DSL line without hassling my landlord, which is more trouble than it's worth since I had to hassle him for a land telephone line. Then I pay extra just for stupid cable boxes that I probably could buy and install myself, but Time Warner wants to charge me a nice $11 a month each (I have two).

My real motivation here of course is to show that there are nice benefits to owning a PSP, which of course the article subtly points out. Many people who are DS lovers are calling for its death but I think this among other articles show that it still garners enough market share to make it worth TiVo's time to make a product for it.

Re:Life Ungotten (1)

fm6 (162816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15607467)

Nice point about the high cost of entertainment nowadays, but I bet you probably live under a rock and get your TV via antenna?

Indeed. And I can't watch Fox or CBS because their local stations don't come in well. I had to give up cable because I was dead broke, but now that I'm rich again, I just don't feel like letting all that crap back into my life. Netflix and the half-dozen stations I do get — and living within walking distance of a good public library [sjlibrary.org] — is all the home entertainment I need.

As things stand, I spend at least 10 hours per week in front of the tube. I think that's plenty. The only problem is that I have to wait until September to find out what happened between Commander Adama and Admiral Cain. But there's more to life than that shit.

The point is that we all have to pay this crazy amount to get any kind of entertainment. Personally, I don't own TiVo or HBO. I pay $54 a month for digital cable (NYC no longer has basic cable service) so all in all it's not that bad.

Have to? Somebody put a gun to your head? Jeez, if I lived in NYC, I'd watch even less TV than I do now.

On the other hand, if you do shell out $54 for digital cable, you might as well shell out an extra $15 for a Tivo subscription. The main value of a Tivo is not the "pause live TV" or other gaudy stuff they advertise. It's the ability of the device to automatically find and record stuff based on your viewing habits. When I had one, it noticed that I watched a lot of nature shows, and started recording nature shows without being asked. Without that technology, you're paying for 100+ channels, but you have no hope of getting your money's worth, because separating out the stuff you like from the crap is too much work.

Where I really get slapped around is another $45 for Road Runner...
If you're a techie or a writer (and I'm both) you have to have the Internet. And $45 isn't that bad. Anyway, we're talking about enterainment, which is not what I use my connection for. Well, mostly....

Still no DirecTivo support, right? (1)

dspyder (563303) | more than 8 years ago | (#15603108)

Even with a hacked series 2 Tivo, I still can't use TivoToGo right? I'm currently using tserver and tyshow and it's like a lot of open source software... 80% complete for 80% of the featues with 80% reliability and an 80% chance of never being completed or adequately supported. :)
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