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The 10 Tech People Who Don't Matter

Hemos posted more than 8 years ago | from the ouch-that-hurts dept.

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TopShelf writes "Business 2.0 recently ran a feature on the Top 50 People Who Matter in the business world, but perhaps more interesting is their list of the 10 People Who Don't Matter. Leading off the list is a Slashdot favorite, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer..." Given, Rob's in there as well, but I'd say his company in the list is pretty decent.

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What is worse that a first post? (5, Insightful)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605747)

The last post. On slashdot. Ever. Poor Rob!

I don't agree with the article at all, and I definitely don't agree with the top 50 article. In the long run, nothing matters in history. The consumers have been, and always will be, the only important unit or group in any market transaction. Without demand, supply matters little. Even if demand is created because of a new supply of a new item or service, it matters little as that demand is fixed -- it would have gone elsewhere.

Slashdot is definitely slowing down. So what? Digg is a mess, too. All I see on various blogs lately is "Click my ads!" and "Help me digg up my submission!" Nice.

I'm a free market believer because I believe in ultimate freedom for the consumer. The only way that can happen is if the producers are given the chance to compete without favoritism, preferential grants or subsidies, or anti-market entry taxes, tariffs and regulations. It doesn't matter WHO the person is that discovers a new market or makes it better, it matters that the consumers are given the ability to voice what they want, no matter if it is immoral or even considered illegal by the previous generation.

Slashdot will be gone in years or decades. So will Digg. So will Business 2.0. Who cares, as long as consumers consume, and producers can create what new consumers desire.

Re:What is worse that a first post? (5, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605782)

Diggs problem is the speed of the article flow.
Its like a mashup of slash and fark in fast forward.

Theres never enough time to savour an article.
Slash has the posting speed just about right and the subject matter is spot on.

Re:What is worse that a first post? (5, Funny)

saboola (655522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605850)

Slash has the posting speed just about right and the subject matter is spot on.

Check's in the mail.
-Slashdot

Re:What is worse that a first post? (3, Insightful)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605940)

i have to agree, i made a digg account a few days ago just to get in to the mix at digg.com and too many articles roll out a little to fast for an old man like me, slashdot is still a favorite...

Re:What is worse that a first post? (5, Funny)

HerbieStone (64244) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605999)

Slash has the posting speed just about right and the subject matter is spot on.

Yeah, and in case you still missed an article. A dupe comes to the rescue.

Cheers

Re:What is worse that a first post? (4, Insightful)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605807)

From the article: Malda knows his subject, and he's a good editor, but in the end, he's just no match for the power of the multitudes.

He's a good editor? He's "ok" but he's certainly not a "good editor" and the people he has surrounded himself with are no where even close to the caliber necessary to run a site in this day and age (this isn't 1998 anymore and blogs and their "editors" have really stepped up).

Digg is a pile of shit (and thus why I don't read it, ever) but Slashdot isn't responding very well to the outside pressures. Yay, CSS and a template redesign in 2006! I couldn't give a flying rats ass what the site looks like. I want good content (and in 1997 through 2001 it had that). Now it's crap and the fact that I no longer subscribe and don't post 10 to 15x a day (everyday) reflects my disappointment in this site.

From the poster: All I see on various blogs lately is "Click my ads!" and "Help me digg up my submission!" Nice.

They have Slashdot posting links too. It's just that most people have moved away from caring about Slashdot's minimal influence and week old stories (and numerous duplicates) to go with sites that are actually relevant in today's connected world. That's why you don't see them nearly as much.

As far as ads go, they are even MORE annoying here than they used to be and I'm thrilled that I use adblock proxies so I don't have to see them. I forget to use the proxy sometimes and it never ceases to amaze me that with a community that is so behind Google's text ads that they would tolerate the bullshit that Slashdot panders. /old schooler rant

Re:What is worse that a first post? (4, Interesting)

east coast (590680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605891)

Digg is a pile of shit

While this is true I think the article missed the idea that /. is more a "middle of the road" type of news source. It's the equivalent of reading MSNBC for business news. While I (obviously) still come to the site I find that more and more I'm spending some old slashdot time down the corner at sites like devx.com. While DevX themselves is a much less active site (an understatement) than /. I find the reading more meaningful than the endless posts by armchair engineers, pizza delivery kids who couldn't really make the geek squad and the GNAA.

And older articles on other more specialized technical sites have more impact and more value. I'm wondering if more people are like me and are looking for more technical meat over flamewars and bad noise.

Re:What is worse that a first post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15605964)

If I had mod points you would have 'em.

The thing is, where to go? Fark sucks too due to lack of moderation system and no threads. It's impossible to have a conversation. Kuro5hin is practically empty compared to Slashdot. Digg has too much crap. What else is there?

I mean I hang out on Lambda The Ultimate but that site is incredibly slow and dull most of the time. Plus it's software developer centric when I want technology centric.

Re:What is worse that a first post? (1, Interesting)

garcia (6573) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606001)

The thing is, where to go?

I have found plenty of other things to bide my time. I started swimming again (after several years of getting fat), I spend more time with my wife, I spend more time reading, and I spend more time doing shit outside.

As far as getting my "fix" on news? I go to CNN, Google News, and a multitude of other sites other than Slashdot, Digg (I've been there twice), Fark (been there once), and any of the other bullshit sites out there that everyone is obsessing over.

Perhaps it's because I've been involved with Slashdot from near the beginning (compared to most of the people here now who still carry on old inside jokes and rants that they don't even understand the meaning of) or perhaps that it's just because I have other interests... I don't know what the reason is but there are plenty of other things that people could be doing than sitting here defending what Slashdot has become.

Either Slashdot's "staff" needs to get over themselves and their belief that they are somehow still relevant these days and actually bring the site back to its original "glory" or they need to just shut it down before it becomes sadder than it already has.

Re:What is worse that a first post? (3, Insightful)

LordPhantom (763327) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605971)

So, out of genuine curiosity, what are all the alternatives you'd suggest people read? I have a short list of sites I read regularly, but I'm curious why you didn't mention any of the "sites that are actually relevant in today's connected world".

In short, "Such as...?"?

Re:What is worse that a first post? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15605984)

I would like to see Slashdot support IPv6. When will that happen? 2015?

Re:What is worse that a first post? (4, Funny)

Karma Farmer (595141) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605813)

The last post. On slashdot. Ever.
Noooooooo!!!!

Your insanely masterful trolling was the only thing worth reading on Slashdot!

Re:What is worse that a first post? (3, Interesting)

cosmotron (900510) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605854)

What was the first post on Slashdot ever?

Re:What is worse that a first post? (4, Funny)

bladesjester (774793) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605911)

If I had to guess?

First. Post. Ever.

Re:What is worse that a first post? (0)

HoosierPeschke (887362) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605920)

"First Post"?

Re:What is worse that a first post? (5, Funny)

dada21 (163177) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605944)

Actually, slashdot was owned by the GNAA, but Malda and his cronies had a coup to overthrow them and replace OSTG as the new overlords, which I for one welcomed. In the end we all got modded down.

Unfair (4, Funny)

tygerstripes (832644) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605752)

Right, I'm sick of this. The one article where I deserve a mention and they leave me out. Guess I just don't matter.

Re:Unfair (5, Funny)

DaSenator (915940) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605893)

No, you do matter, just not enough to make a list, but enough not to make a list.

A has-been already? (4, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605753)

That's kind of sad. You got to be a dot-com millionaire, left with nothing but a T-shirt, and now they're mocking the T-shirt as well.

Hey, at least you got there in the first place. More than most of your readership will ever accomplish!

Re:A has-been already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15606004)

Has-been implies failiure? Not so.
Has-been WAS.
Has-been... MIGHT AGAIN!

-William Shatner

/. on the list! (0, Redundant)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605754)

From TFA: "Rob Malda Slashdot.org Remember the days when "getting Slashdotted" was every sysadmin's worst nightmare? Referrals from the "News for Nerds" website would send so much traffic to websites that many crashed. But for those that survived the flood, it was the online equivalent of a papal benediction. Today, the buzz has moved elsewhere. Slashdot's editor-driven story selection model is being supplanted by user-generated systems such as Digg. According to recent Alexa data, Digg already has more daily reach and generates more page views than Slashdot. Malda knows his subject, and he's a good editor, but in the end, he's just no match for the power of the multitudes."

In a word, wow.

One of a kind (2, Funny)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605793)

Look, people! Here's one that does read the article without reading the blurb. In one word -- wow.

Re:One of a kind (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15606020)

Not everyone knows who "Rob" is.
I read the summary, then the article...
I had no idea anything slashdot related would be in there.

No...I'm not the GP, just making a point.

Re:/. on the list! (3, Interesting)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605809)

Aside from /. I still disagree with some of the nominations. I use FaceBook several times every single day, whereas I do not actively use MySpace. Also, I much prefer Netflix's low rates and ease of use to having to deal with the hassles and DRM of on-demand services. My girlfriend is considering switching from Comcast On Demand to Netflix so she can have more choice over what to watch.

Re:/. on the list! (2, Informative)

paedobear (808689) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605820)

They use Alexa data to show that Digg is more popular. That's barely 1 step beyond getting the data from AOL's proxy server logs!

Re:/. on the list! (1)

Neko-kun (750955) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605867)

For all of you who also read Digg (or skim it like I do) you'd understand when I say that I am bloody tired of hearing 'wow' and 'amazing' to end sentences...

It's sad to see normal english words going the way of the leetspeek...

In response.. (5, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605918)

Slashdot.mil has demoted Malda down to LtTaco.

Re:/. on the list! (2, Insightful)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605919)

Obviously I'm a fan of /. I was on digg long enough to camp my username and that was about it. There are times when I wish more interesting things would show up here quicker, on the other hand I sure as hell don't want /. to be digg. Yech. The point of being here is the discussion. The point of being on digg is to see the article "dugg" by 1000 people, 4 times a day.

User driven news aggrigators have their place, but a quality community needs editorial oversight (or groupthink on a profound level).

Anyway, I don't know how much you can trust a list that has Ballmer, Kutaragi, Shwartz, Malda, AND Linus. It's like they're throwing darts...

FAKE (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605757)

This article is complete fake, and you know how I know...

Malda knows his subject, and he's a good editor, but in the end, he's just no match for the power of the multitudes.

Only kidding, slash is home I won't believe its dying until netcraft confirms it.

Re:FAKE (1)

HardCase (14757) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605814)

It nearly made me snort diet coke out of my nose - and that would have hurt! Clearly Business 2.0 didn't RTF/..

-h-

#11 (5, Funny)

spazimodo (97579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605760)

#11 - Cowboy Neil

Re:#11 (1)

spazimodo (97579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606018)

before someone points out I misspelled his name, keep in mind he just doesn't matter enough to go to the trouble of spelling it correctly.

The list (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15605762)

Re:The list (2, Insightful)

jZnat (793348) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606007)

There should be some way of informing CNN that their blatant disregard for accessibility via their irrational usage of random javascript for everything is probably illegal due to accessibility laws.

Can someone just re-post the damn article in an accessible format (i.e. "Plain Old Text")?

Leading? (4, Informative)

TheNetAvenger (624455) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605763)

Leading off the list is a Slashdot favorite, Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer..."

Even though the list says "In NO particular order"

But hey, I think Ballmer is a tool even though I'm not a big MS hater...

Re:Leading? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15605870)

It sure looks like he is leading off the list to me...

He is the first name that comes up and hitting "next" leads to the other people. That sure seems like being first in a series of names would be "leading off the list". I didn't see anyone imply that he didn't matter the most or anything like that.

Keep flaming, good try!!!

Re:Leading? (3, Informative)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605948)

Not only did the OP of the thread claim that Ballmer lead the list he also failed to mention that both Linus and our Slashdot overlord made the list as well...

Go figure...

In other news... (5, Funny)

JoaoPinheiro (749991) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605773)

An innocent bypasser was killed in Redmond today by a mysterious falling chair...

List order (1)

Guitarzan (57028) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605776)

FYI, it's just in alphabetical order.

New Slogan (5, Funny)

thelonestranger (915343) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605786)

Slashdot - News For Nerds Stuff That Doesn't Matter.

Ouch (5, Funny)

llamalicious (448215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605788)

Just ouch. They put extra sand in the vaseline for slashdot in that little article.

Speaking of things that don't matter... (5, Insightful)

paedobear (808689) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605796)

It's a list from Business 2.0. I'm afraid I'd have to put them on my top 10 list of "magazines that don't matter"...

Re:Speaking of things that don't matter... (5, Insightful)

GPLDAN (732269) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605954)

Seriously. The dot-com cheerleader mag that has absolutely nothing to say anymore. Go profile John chambers and his three hair comb over again.

BTW, could they have chosen a worse picture of Linus? Don't answer that.

Oh, and they are fools to throw the Netflix guy out there. He owns a distribution model, and with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, I don't think the DVD as a distro method is nearly as dead as they think.

Cascade of chairs (4, Funny)

truckaxle (883149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605799)

Wait what is that I hear - the sound of a continuous stream of chairs being violently
thrown in the general direction of Business 2.0 Magazine offices.

Re:Cascade of chairs (3, Funny)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605852)

No, that's just the sound of a dead horse being beaten.

1 article that doesn't matter (5, Insightful)

Haeleth (414428) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605800)

So I went to look at the list, and it wasn't in the article. There was a link to it, though. So I middle-clicked the link, to open it in a new tab, and... oops. The tab's empty.

Oh, I see, it wasn't a link at all, it was a pointless bit of JavaScript that merely looked like a link. So I go back and click on it the way they were expecting, and... oops. There's still no list: just an empty window with a title at the top.

Okay, fine, their online article won't work in Firefox. So I'll use the print version instead. No JavaScript there, right? Wrong. The print link takes you to... the same article, formatted for printing. Complete with lack of list, complete with stupid JavaScript non-link.

Sorry, guys, but if you've gone to such lengths to make sure I can't read your damn article, I really don't see why I should care who you think matters. If you can't write plain HTML, you have no business talking about the web.

Works in FF 1.5 under windows (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605849)

firefox 1.5.0.4 under windows ... article read just fine

Re:1 article that doesn't matter (1)

coaxeus (911103) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605882)

CNN's website is awful and always has been, but it worked fine for me in firefox. Just plain left clicked the link the first time and it came up, along with a pop-under flash ad or whatever.

Re:1 article that doesn't matter (4, Informative)

Cyphertube (62291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605884)

I had the same issue... That is, until I turned of Adblock.

If you have it on, you will see nothing in any of the money.cnn.com galleries. So turn it off, temporarily, and hit reload. The one banner is gonna kill you. Then, when you're done, turn it back on. CNN has the worst Java-based ads.

Slashdot is one of the few site for which I allow all the ads to come through.

Re:1 article that doesn't matter (1)

14erCleaner (745600) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605888)

So I went to look at the list, and it wasn't in the article. There was a link to it, though. So I middle-clicked the link, to open it in a new tab, and... oops. The tab's empty.

Welcome to Web 2.0, brought to you by Business 2.0 magazine. Firefox users don't matter, since they can block all the ads, Flash videos, and Javascript crap. I had to use IE to read the list, and it really wasn't worth the trouble.

Re:1 article that doesn't matter (2, Interesting)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605898)

I feel with you, I too am tired of such crappy web pages. What are they trying to achieve?! I went through pretty much the same steps as you did, however it did work [cnn.com] in my Firefox. For extra lack of credibility, they do the layout, not with CSS, not even with tables, but with frames (!), and the list is not in a single page, no, you have to navigate between the different people with some more javascript. So much for the HTML elements "unordered list" and "list item". *crying*

ballmer mention in post... w00t (1)

phreakv6 (760152) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605810)

ok here goes.. one [google.com] two [google.com] and three [google.com]

Slashdot is Dead! (1)

everphilski (877346) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605812)

Business 2.0 confirms!

(it's a joke. laugh.)

Re:Slashdot is Dead! (4, Funny)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605924)

Slashdot is Dead!

Business 2.0 confirms!

Oh yeah? Well, I have four words for you. *I* *love* *this* *website*! YEEEAAAHHHH!!!! [throws chair]

to be honest (digg) (3, Interesting)

Sebastopol (189276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605816)

I see stories on Digg, Wired, and Drudge hours (sometimes DAYS) before they are on /.

Granted, I can't live without the flamewars and discussions I've come to know and love in this moderated world of slashdot (at least since 1998), but I think the article may have a point...

Re:to be honest (digg) (5, Funny)

tgd (2822) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605844)

Thats the beauty of slashdot. Some people live the high-performance, cutting edge, gotta-be-connected, crackberry life, but as us older geeks age, its nice to have our news slowed down. It gives us time to think about it.

And for some of us, its very useful to remind us of the news again a day later. (Thanks Zonk!) ...

Now what was I just doing?

Re:to be honest (digg) (1)

G27 Radio (78394) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605978)

Thats the beauty of slashdot. Some people live the high-performance, cutting edge, gotta-be-connected, crackberry life, but as us older geeks age, its nice to have our news slowed down. It gives us time to think about it.

I agree. I'm also getting ready to switch from cable to DSL because cable is just too darn fast.

Re:to be honest (digg) (2, Funny)

Karma Farmer (595141) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605887)

I see stories on Digg, Wired, and Drudge hours (sometimes DAYS) before they are on /.
Hell, I usually see stories in the New York Times before I see them on Slashdot.

Re:to be honest (digg) (5, Insightful)

FinestLittleSpace (719663) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605899)

I've never come to /. for the speed of news... I've come for the OVERALL quality of comments... there's some extremely bright people on here amongst the crap.

Re:to be honest (digg) (4, Funny)

slashflood (697891) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605992)

There's some extremely bright people on here amongst the crap.
Like me!

Re:to be honest (digg) (1)

Tx (96709) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606024)

Hear hear. I really don't get the "speed is everything" attitude. If we were talking business news for day-traders, then yeah, every second counts. But the sort of stories posted on slashdot really aren't time-sensitive, I really don't feel I've missed anything by seeing them a day (week/month/whatever) after they appeared on some other site.

Hell, even the dupes sometimes generate interesting discussions that didn't come up the first time round.

Too bad... (4, Interesting)

east coast (590680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605818)

Yeah, sadly slashdot is becoming less and less a part of my daily habit. I use to be sure to meta moderate and try to give meaningful contributions to the site but seeings as where the development end of things have been in a nose dive around here and the site has become more a Bush bashfest than a technical news source... eh... I just don't feel bad not being as much a member of the community anymore.

On another note about the top ten: I have to completely disagree with the "DVD is an endangered species" noise mentioned for NetFlix. While I'm not a NetFlix subscriber physical media like DVD is certainly nowhere near its endlife. I just don't know what people think is going to replace the physical aspect of DVD media in the near future. I've heard this boy cry wolf before and frankly it's gotten old.

I agree DVD formats aren't going away (2, Insightful)

jeffc128ca (449295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605916)

"On another note about the top ten: I have to completely disagree with the "DVD is an endangered species" noise mentioned for NetFlix. While I'm not a NetFlix subscriber physical media like DVD is certainly nowhere near its endlife. I just don't know what people think is going to replace the physical aspect of DVD media in the near future. I've heard this boy cry wolf before and frankly it's gotten old."

I agree. DVD's will still be around for a while yet. I would love IP TV and downloadable content to come, but it's still an issue of bandwidth and quality. Bit torrents are only fast when something is just released, otherwise I could spend days and weeks trying to get movies and TV episodes. It's faster to walk to the mall and buy it. And if Net nuetrality is killed you can forget getting any quality video content on the internet.

Bush Bash-Fest is OLD (4, Insightful)

Black-Man (198831) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605938)

Too many political topics have destroyed this site. Sad, really.

Death of DVD not near (1)

jmorris42 (1458) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606015)

Amen to that, I know I LIKE having the shelf of DVDs. It means I will always be able to watch those movies and shows, whenever I feel like it and without paying per view. No streaming service will ever be able to offer either of those features.

And I know what certain clueless types are already getting ready to reply with and; No, it won't. You will get whatever selection the services you are subscribing to have up at the moment, with zero certainty that same content will still be available in ten, twenty, fifty years and without a per use fee and/or user tracking. Terms of service are subject to change at the whim of the provider, your provider today will be just a cog in a different corporation next year, etc. Hell, a Cable Company hasn't kept the same name on their trucks for a decade in any city since the invention of Cable TV as best as I can tell, don't expect me to believe in permanancy on an Internet based service.

Streaming will offer DIFFERENT benefits, once the obsession with DRM is overcome, but I can't ever see myself not wanting physical copies of the stuff I really care about. A working streaming system would certainly make NetFlicks obsolete overnight, for example. And for that purpose it could even have DRM.

And of course I don't expect the obsession with DRM to end in the next decade so the whole streaming thing is mostly moot. Same for the various attempts at HiDef content. Given a choice of open (as a practical matter, Thanks DVD Jon) DVDs or closed hi res variants I can live with 720x480@60i.

Look who else is unimportant (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15605830)

I'm reading Linus Torvalds Creator, Linux on the list of un-important people as well. Doesn't that bother anyone?

Linus (5, Insightful)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605848)

Yes, it bothered me. Because Linus is not only the creator of Linux. He also maintains the kernel and adds new features once in a while. The latest kernel release adds significant features and possibly performance enhancements.

It seems to me that whoever wrote the article, thinks that Linus' role is over and that he's nothing more than a decorative figure. He's not.

Who matters at all? (4, Interesting)

gelfling (6534) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605837)

In the thirty years I've been involved in IT I have to guess that we're approaching the point where hero-god-gurus don't matter much at all. Hasn't the industry matured to the point of being boring yet? When are we going to get past eccentric non repeatable brilliance and to the point of dull efficient execution?

Creepiest. Photo. Evar! (1)

toupsie (88295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605839)

My god, could they have found a more unflattering photo of Linus? But then again, they chose not to even include a photo of Rob Malda.

Digg is Shit (4, Insightful)

abscissa (136568) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605841)

Finally, an oppertunity for a Digg Sucks thread... while TFA may be right that Digg is "supplanting" Slashdot, this is not for the better. Digg posts inaccurate articles, tons of dupes, poorly edited articles, etc. on its front page. Slashdot occasionally does the same, but not like 20 times every day. Recently Digg seems to be up in arms about Scientology, as if this is some sort of new thing. I read "A Piece of Blue Sky" about 6 years ago...

Socrates said that democracy was the WORST form of government because it meant rule by the ignorant masses... the content of Digg is just proof of that.

Linus on the List (5, Interesting)

neongenesis (549334) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605843)

Linus has the one entry that is really a compliment.

Dennis Ritchie gave a nice talk on the 21st(??) birthday of Unix about how it is like a child growing up, leaving home, being all grown up and an adult... He felt a little like a proud parent.

What better compliment for Linus than to have created something that has grown and matured to the point that it is beyond the creator? I can imagine few more satisfying accomplishments in life.

Re:Linus on the List (4, Informative)

MoxFulder (159829) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605894)

Even if Linus's place on the list was meant as a compliment, I still think it's incorrect. Linus definitely DOES matter. He may NOT be writing all the code these days, he may not be the one coming up with all the innovations, but he *IS* still the one putting the Linux kernel together into a coherent whole.

Just read the Linux kernel mailing list and you'll see that Linus has an amazing grasp of all the major kernel subsystems, a clear sense of goals and direction for the kernel, as well as things to avoid, and a good ability to delegate tasks to the other kernel developers.

Basically, Linus remains "benevolent dictator" for the Linux kernel, and I'd say he's doing a highly effective job in that role. I'd put him in a top 10 list of tech people who do matter.

Re:Linus on the List (1)

Frodo420024 (557006) | more than 8 years ago | (#15606013)

Even if Linus's place on the list was meant as a compliment, I still think it's incorrect. Linus definitely DOES matter.

Yes. He's this wonderful piece of unshakeable honesty in the center of a hurricane of commercial interest. He does a wonderful job of holding things together in his inimitable personal style.

Yet, even if he (god forbid!) got hit by a brick tomorrow, Linux wouldn't be handicapped much. It's the best of both worlds :)

...who dont matter? (1)

scheuri (655355) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605847)

YOU....

No news is, well...No News! (1)

infosec_spaz (968690) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605859)

Very S L O W news week we're having here, eh?

Slashdot is less relevant. (2, Funny)

Usekh (557680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605860)

Slashdot is consistantly several hours if not days behind other geek news sources now, so yeah it is a lot less relevant.

Enjoying "fame", Malda? (-1, Troll)

ceeam (39911) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605863)

From TFA:

... Today, the buzz has moved elsewhere. Slashdot's editor-driven story selection model is being supplanted by user-generated systems such as Digg. According to recent Alexa data, Digg already has more daily reach and generates more page views than Slashdot. Malda knows his subject, and he's a good editor, but in the end, he's just no match for the power of the multitudes.


See - we've been warning you but no luck. What is so difficult for you in making voting system for stories? Admit - Digg has it right. You do not. OTOH - digg's comments suck ass. Oh, well.... When your readers move away you'll lose (pretty soon, probably) all you have really got - your readers (aka writers). It won't be easy to get them (us) back.... Oh, well, it was fun while it lasted.

Who needs fame. I'll take giving a damn. (5, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605945)

What is so difficult for you in making voting system for stories?

The same thing that makes it difficult in Florida and Ohio. Even when it turns out that it was working, people who don't like the outcome say it's the system that's broken. When they do like the outcomes (because they've figured out how to perform the Digg equivalent of Karma-whoring or stirred up a bunch of traffic for their simpering Google-ad spam page), then, gosh, Digg sure is timely and wonderful!

Nope, just like the recent discussion here about how even the Washington Post web site is turning into a "conversation" instead of journalism - I fear that the droning of Digg will become the norm, and only people who appreciate some editorial steerage will populate sites that perform at least a little thoughtful editing. Which is not to say that Timothy counts.

Of course... (1)

DaSenator (915940) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605874)

...things could be worse. All in all, isn't it true that bad publicity (though I hardly think of this to be highly negative in any way, save for being grouped with Balmer...) is better than no publicity?

Another note: for some of the names on the list, its hard to understand how they can be considered to have their 'glory days behind them.' Personally, they have little individual input, but the movement or company is still always 'theirs.' Microsoft will always be attributed to Gates, Linux to Torvalds, Apple to the Steves, etc.

With more people, the leader of a company or movement cannot feasibly do the ground level work on a project and conduct all of the administrative and upper management work. Its how any movement will grow. Sooner or later, the guy who started the whole thing has to take somewhat of a back seat in order to manage the organization. There are some exceptions to this of course.

Slashdot should have opened the story queue... (4, Insightful)

spludge (99050) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605876)

Slashdot could have easily had the equivalent of Digg if they had opened up the story queue for public viewing. I know that this is not how the editors want Slashdot to work, but I think it would have let Slashdot address the audience that wants the absolute latest stories and the audience that wants indepth discussion. I have read the FAQ and I understand the issues with spam, but I think those are all solvable problems.

Oh well, too late now, Digg stole that thunder :)

Who is Rob? (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15605878)

And why would we even think he mattered anyway?

Title: Complete Nonsense (5, Insightful)

Yst (936212) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605896)

The title of this article appears to be its major problem. This is not an article about People Who Don't Matter. This is an article about People of Whom We Disapprove or People Whose Current Operations Don't Impress Us Much or some such thing. One doesn't need to be justified or qualified to matter, in the grand scheme of things, and the fact that Business 2.0 is unimpressed by these individuals' current endeavours ultimately has no bearing on their importance to the world of business or to society in general. A powerful fool can change the world in a way that matters, whether or not we may think he's a fool.

Higher rank w/ Alexa data = Digg users more oWn3d (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15605905)

Alexa is spyware, is it not? If Digg is getting more visited by Alexa users than Slashdot, to me that signifies that more people that read Digg are unsavy enough to have spyware installed on their machine. To me, having a lower rank in the Alexa ranking system when you are talking about a tech news site means that the readers of the lower scoring sites have better spyware protection and are more tech savy. This lends MORE credence to slashdot than Digg, IMHO.

The power of suggestion (5, Insightful)

rueger (210566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605908)

Although describing our esteemed head honcho as a great editor may be pushing things a bit, the comments about Slashdot miss an important point.

The challenge faced by many Internet sites is not to generate reams and reams of content, but to allow users a way to filter out only what they want or need. What with "citizen journalists" and plain old trolls and conspiracy theorists, there needs to be some kind of moderating hand to make information useful.

Peer review, like that created by Slashdot, is one way of doing that, but a firm editorial hand is even more useful. That's why my daily reading includes not just Slashdot, but other sites and blogs which cover specific topics and direct me only to the stories or posts that are of value.

Despite gripes - and I don't even bother trying to post stories any more - Slashdot does a reasonable job of that filtering.

WTF? (1)

hackstraw (262471) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605912)


WTF is this list about?

Is this just a frail attempt at a flamebait or something?

I mean, there are millions of tech people that don't matter, yours truly included.

For those that were not morbidly curious enought to RTFA, Rob Malda is #6, Jonathan Schwartz is #8, and Linus Torvalds is #9.

BTW, Linus' picture is pretty scary. I haven't seen a picture of him in a while, kinda looking Stephen Hawking-like.

If this Business 2.0 article makes no sense to you either, simply mod my post as "underrated". Nothing more, nothing less.

WTF????

Re:WTF? (2, Interesting)

east coast (590680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605957)

I think that the article (flawed or not) is about those who use to make a stir in the tech world who have seemed to have slipped by the wayside. I think slashdot use to be more significant in the past than it is today and I agree with the article that digg is part of what makes it less significant (for better or worse frankly, hopefully digg will help to take away some of /.s deadweight).

And for the Linus thing. I have to kinda agree. While Linux isn't dead by a long shot I think that the general tech community expected more to happen with it. So far the only real stir it has created is in the server room and this is years and years after some fairly loud Linux supporters were telling us that Linux was a MS killer. So far that just doesn't seem to be the case. Perhaps someday...

Where's Dvorak? (5, Insightful)

RingDev (879105) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605914)

That list is totally inaccurate. It's missing both Dvorak and John Thompson.

-Rick

dont worry slashdot (2, Funny)

FudRucker (866063) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605921)

you still matter to me :)

cheap trick (4, Insightful)

Blob Pet (86206) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605925)

Q) How do you get people to read your lame business articles?

A) Say something inflammatory about Slashdot so that it gets posted on Slashdot!

Simple (1)

FinchWorld (845331) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605936)

Its me, you, you as well, especially you, you too four eyes, and you, hiding behind him (also on the list) won't help....

Slashdot isn't about News... It's about Community (5, Insightful)

abh (22332) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605942)

Slashdot isn't about news... everything that's on Slashdot has already been discussed in the blogosphere for a couple days. The value here is in the community and user comments.

I must agree (2, Interesting)

Judg3 (88435) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605950)

Sadly, I have to agree with most of the sentiment regarding /. now, compared to /. back then.
I've been posting a long time (This UID shows it) and reading even longer. But over the past several years, the quality has waned - I now come here more as a novelty instead of a necessity. Shame really - I really loved this place.

Digg multitudes? (3, Informative)

OSS_ilation (922367) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605960)

"Today, the buzz has moved elsewhere. Slashdot's editor-driven story selection model is being supplanted by user-generated systems such as Digg. According to recent Alexa data, Digg already has more daily reach and generates more page views than Slashdot. Malda knows his subject, and he's a good editor, but in the end, he's just no match for the power of the multitudes." Wait, you mean 'multitudes' like the dozen or so Diggers who have hijacked the system and are responsible for 100% of the front page content?

What tech people? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15605970)

Sure Linus is in there, but other than him it looks more like 10 CEOs of companies that don't matter.

Artificially inflating page ranks? (2, Interesting)

technoextreme (885694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605974)

That article is prety stupid to make a reference to Alexa. Im looking at the graph for Digg vs Slashdot and something seems fishy. For the past few monthes Slashdot and Digg were pretty much neck and neck which makes sense. In April both Slashdot and Digg jump almost straight up in page views. Something is odd with that data.

LINUS!=BALLMER (3, Insightful)

Foofoobar (318279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605977)

Ok seriously, putting these two together in the same article and calling them both losers?? Ballmer has the ability to turn the biggest ship in history and while he has been lost at sea during his entire reign (and survived ongoing mutinees), I would not say he doesn't matter. He does matter. He's just ineffectual.

Linus on the other hand claims that he is an engineer and not a revolutionary and as a result, this simple statement makes him more of a revolutionary than even he would like to be. Linus has tried to avoid being cast as that and never once thought of himself in that way. In int5erview after interview, he always downplays that aspect and promotes Linux to meet the demands of consumers AND of business and not to have the OS dictates the rules of how the computer industry must move (unlike other monopolistic companies).

I think LInus's greatest ability is his ability to lead without leading. His actions and statements have often made me pause to reconsider my zealotry at times and made me understand why he supporets some of the things that he does. While I still disagree with him on some points, he still has alot of influence... to alot of people and alot of companies.

I agree that Slashdot isn't cutting edge any more (2, Insightful)

bgfay (5362) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605980)

But that doesn't mean that it's useless. The NY Times was supposedly dead as well. I still read that. Radio has been dead forever, but here I am listening to NPR almost every waking hour. I seem to remember that the paperless office was right around the corner too. Oh well. Ho hum.

All that said, I can actually imagine that Linus is happy with what was written about him. It reflects pretty well on the strength of the open source model.

Who they missed. (1)

Forthan Red (820542) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605988)

How on earth did Robert Cringely not make the list? He hasn't been relevant in years.

And lets face it, the best articles on /. showed up on Boing Boing [boingboing.net] two days earlier.

Bias is my beef.... (1, Redundant)

Procrastin8er (791570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605990)

My humble opinion is that /. is dying, at least partly, because of bias. From article selection to discussion, you can predict what stories will run and what the discussion will be, and how they will get moderated. Boring... Just my 2 cents.

At last, recognition. (1)

otherniceman (180671) | more than 8 years ago | (#15605996)

Checks list, not on it, I must be important. Time to print that list off ready for my next pay review.
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