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The $899 Educational iMac

samzenpus posted more than 8 years ago | from the cheap-machines dept.

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Valthan writes "Macsimum news has just released news about a new version of the iMac that is being touted as an educational machine. It seems to be a nice setup, and has the cheapness that us university students strive on, I think they just may have a winner here to get people on the Mac. Now if only JCreator worked on it ..." From the article "Featuring a 17-inch widescreen LCD display, the iMac for education includes a Combo drive for burning CDs and reading DVDs, 512MB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM memory expandable up to 2GB and hard drive storage capacity up to 160GB. Every iMac also includes a built-in iSight video camera, built-in 10/100/1000 BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet for high-speed networking, built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11g WiFi for up to 54Mbps wireless networking, a total of five USB ports (three USB 2.0) and two FireWire 400 ports."

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Unfortunately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15663957)

It uses an Intel chip. FP?

Re:Unfortunately (3, Interesting)

HeX314 (570571) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663978)

Granted that this is primarily intended for students, it's probably a good thing that they have an Intel chip inside. Using Boot Camp or Parallels or another VM, a student could run two operating systems concurrently (for most any CS major, it is essential to be able to develop for Windows -- other operating systems are a huge plus).

Re:Unfortunately (2, Insightful)

manboy9 (891227) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664018)

What school are you going to?

My Uni is one of the biggest MS sellouts there is and they still expect CS students to program on, and submit assignments on UNIX. Mac is much more compatible with UNIX than Windows is, so this would make sense for us.

Re:Unfortunately (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664033)

Yes that all maybe true, BUT you failed to acknowledge and bow down before me for getting first post! Get thee behind me, bitch:-)
Before they switched, the Mac was a unique machine worth every penny. Now they are nothing more than overpriced PCs with better software(I can't verify that the software is actually better anymore. Could be the Intels make them crash as often as a regular PC) Check out the Acers with a gig of RAM and 100gb HDs at your local discount wherehouse(?). And on top of that, they're laptops. Much more bang for the buck.

Re:Unfortunately (4, Insightful)

Guy Harris (3803) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664267)

I can't verify that the software is actually better anymore. Could be the Intels make them crash as often as a regular PC

If that were true, then Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD, and DragonFlyBSD would have to, when running on a regular PC, crash as much as Windows, too. If they don't, then perhaps PowerPC isn't as magical as you appear to think it is.

Re:Unfortunately (5, Insightful)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664201)

(for most any CS major, it is essential to be able to develop for Windows -- other operating systems are a huge plus).

I graduated with an engineering degree in 2002, but took a few CS courses. All of the work was done on the CS lab UNIX boxes (Suns at the time, upgraded to commodity BSD machines right about the time I finished). Remember that CS is about teaching *concepts* rather than putting out functional code-monkeys - that's what "IT" programs are for.

-b.

Re:Unfortunately -- actually, fortunately (2)

guywcole (984149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664146)

As a (kinda but not really) poor college student, the intel macs are wonderful. All my rich friends, young and old, are buying them and financing it by selling their old ones. I'll be picking up a 12-month old, very-well-cared-for Powerbook for about 500 USD in the next couple weeks. I'm also lining up a couple "old" iMacs.

Thriving on Strife (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15663960)

I'm very happy to hear that college kids strive on cheapness.

No cheap 20" model (3, Insightful)

hlimethe3rd (879459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663964)

It'd be nice if Apple would release a cheap version with a bigger screen. I know it isn't really Apple's way, but it'd be nice to have the option. There are a lot of us out there that wouldn't mind having a slightly slower processor, a smaller HD, and no bluetooth, but would still appreciate the larger monitor for movies, etc.

Re:No cheap 20" model (2)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664120)

how about real a video card $899 for GMA 950 is a real big rip off.

899 is cheap? (4, Insightful)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663967)

Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.

/got my computer for 50 bucks
//i didn't ask where it came from...

Re:899 is cheap? (2, Funny)

Eckzow (754643) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663986)

Don't worry, that's still the norm. I dunno what TF poster is talking about, I dug my laptop out of the tech graveyard. The keyboard flips out sometimes, but you can't beat free...

If 899 is cheap, may I have something cheaper? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663992)

it's cheap compared to most of the other machines at the bookstore.

but I agree, a $500 remanufactured laptop is all you really need.

Re:If 899 is cheap, may I have something cheaper? (1)

pthor1231 (885423) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664060)

Indeed, I don't think I have ever bought anything at my university sponsored "you-will-really-get-the-best-deal-here" bookstore, regardless of whether or not it was computers, books, or just supplies.

Re:If 899 is cheap, may I have something cheaper? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664138)

You don't need a "remanufactured" laptop for it to cost 500 bucks.
Dell, HP, Toshiba, Acer all have very afordable offerings around $499 - $599.

Cash (3, Funny)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664062)

Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.

There are a few options: 1) Beg parents 2) Get job, or...

3) That's why God gave you blood plasma and spoo. Sell it.

4) Failing that, find some lubriderm, a rubber glove, and a busy intersection.

Re:Cash (2, Insightful)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664193)

Apple has no plans for financing that I am aware of.

Although that post was supposed to be humorous it is a problem.

My compaq v4000 notebook I got for $740 was financed with a high interest 14.4% APR loan. With these its about $35 but I had $300 cash from working and saving so it turned out to be affordable for college students. The best Apple could do was a 90 day loan. Uh sorry.

Apple loyalists claim their systems are like BMw's for the wealthy to make themselves feel supperior. Well it wont help spread the platform in the university market with options like that.

Re:Cash (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664287)

Apple loyalists claim their systems are like BMw's for the wealthy to make themselves feel supperior. Well it wont help spread the platform in the university market with options like that.

Who makes that BMW claim? I never have.

Re:899 is cheap? (2, Funny)

twitchingbug (701187) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664098)

How much is tuition these days? 20K-35K? not to mention living expenses are probably another 10-20k. The computer is cheap relatively.

All the kids will want a computer. The real question is why get this when you can get a portable, bluetooth, macbook for only $200 more?

Re:899 is cheap? (2, Insightful)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664206)

How about you compare it to other computers, rather than just other things.

If my elected officials start saying X is cheap compared to the space shuttle, war in Iraq, etc. I'll shoot them.

I am a Mac user. They are not cheap. This one is not cheap. (Incidentally, mine was cheaper.)

Still wasn't cheap.

Dell is cheap.

Re:899 is cheap? (3, Funny)

linvir (970218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664249)

Dell is cheap? More like eBay is cheap.

Re:899 is cheap? (1)

twitchingbug (701187) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664269)

Well, it's different with the gov't cause it's your money that they are spending. You have a say in how they spend it, or at least, you're allowed to show your displeasure at the voting booths. You don't really have a say in how a university student spends his money now do you?

All I'm saying is that $900 is well within the reach of a whole mess of university students whether it be from their parents or whatever.

I'll agree with you that Dell's are cheaper, tho I don't think by much these days, someone else can do a price comparo here. But I can see a lot of students just saying, "I want a Mac. It's hip/cool, and my friends have one. I can get a free nano with one". so even if the Dell was 300 cheaper than the iMac, I bet a lot of kids would still buy it at 900.

Yes $899 is cheap. (2, Informative)

Savage-Rabbit (308260) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664109)

Cheap for a uni student? I certainly didn't have that sort of money laying about when I was at university.

/got my computer for 50 bucks
//i didn't ask where it came from...


It seems like a rather good deal to me, that offer is actually cheaper than the computer I bought when I went to university. I spent almost every cent I had on that thing including the money meant for buying books. The school books I checked out of the library or borrowed off my friends then I photocopied them for a fraction of what they would have cost to buy and had the resultant stack of A4 paper bound in a spiral binding. The Software was uhummm... well borrowed.... I could never have afforded to buy it back then, even with student discounts, and yet it was more or less a requirement to have expensive word processing software and even massively expensive software like Autocad since the teachers didn't just place importance on content and academic achievement but also the way the reports and assignments were finished and laid-out and they lowered the grade automatically for what they judged to be clumsy and unprofiessionally laid-out reports or assignments. The school claimed that they had enough computers in their labs to cover all the student's needs but that was of course complete crap. At the end of the term the labs were packed and having your own computer could make the difference between finishing your big end-of-term assignments/reports or flunking out. What sort of machine you have to buy depends very much on what you are studying. I suppose you could get away with buying some older-than-your-granny Pentium II laptop at scrap value if you are a philosophy major and only need to run Office 95 or Windows ME but If you are an engineering student something of the caliber of this machine is pretty much an entry level requirement these days.

Re:899 is cheap? (1)

Kipper the Llama (454021) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664251)

Well, uni students get a discount from Apple, so it may be closer to $800 after all is said and done.

Re:899 is cheap? (1)

hey (83763) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664261)

When I was a student I didn't have a laptop. Computer Science doesn't need computers!

Re:899 is cheap? (0, Troll)

fatdog789 (982614) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664278)

Agreed. Only an executive could think $900 is cheap when most consumer-level PC laptops can be had for under $900 without the educational discounts that most schools offer.

Re:899 is cheap? (1)

bsartist (550317) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664295)

Most of the college grads I know of used loans to pay for school. Is there seriously that much difference between graduating $45,000 in debt instead of $44,100 in debt?

5 USB ports? (3, Informative)

chasingporsches (659844) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663969)

that's a bit misleading. it's at most 4, considering that two of them are on the keyboard that must be plugged in via USB, and really 3, if you consider that you need the mighty mouse plugged in to use the machine (since it doesnt have bluetooth), and so that takes up another (probably one on your keyboard). so you're left with one 1.1 port on your keyboard, and two 2.0 ports on your imac unless you get a hub.

granted, i have an imac g5 that has the same USB setup, but i just don't like misleading advertising. (although its not really advertising, but i digress.)

Re:5 USB ports? (1)

pthor1231 (885423) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664043)

That's not advertising on the part of apple, but the actual article website, so it's not really misleading advertising as it is misleading reporting. But all in all, it really depends on what version of the keyboard you use. You could get the "old school" completely wired setup that has two usb plugs on the keyboard, one of which is usually used for the mouse, since its 1.1. This scenario would indeed leave you with 5 USB ports. Also, directly from the apple customization page for the iMac:

All iMac models ship with a standard wired Apple Keyboard and Mighty Mouse. You may also choose to upgrade to an Apple Wireless Keyboard and Mouse since Bluetooth is already built-in to your iMac.

Re:5 USB ports? (1)

pthor1231 (885423) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664119)

oiy, let me ammend myself before someone else does. The iMac customization page does indeed say that Bluetooth is included, but it is not on the list of features for this new model. So either they decided to not include bluetooth on the feature list (highly improbably) or they need to change their customization page text.

Re:5 USB ports? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664277)

Why waste 2 ports on USB 1.1? And why doesn't Apple go with Firewire 800?

Ya but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15663971)

Why should I spend $899 when I can buy a SCO Linux machine for $699?

Re:Ya but (4, Funny)

bcat24 (914105) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664068)

Wouldn't an SCO box be $666?

Re:Ya but (1)

empaler (130732) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664140)

No, that's the Apple I.
Clicky [wikipedia.org] .

What is that? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15663974)

You can build a solid amd64 bit machine for much less than that! I hate mac and their supposed deals, this "article" is nothing more than an add.

In moderators we trust. (1, Interesting)

NRAdude (166969) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664188)

1. This article is an add,
2. An x86 system can be built for 30% the cost,
3. I bought a Alpha before I bought a Apple computer of any kind.
4. Apple is migrating from the Power architecture, joining the mainstream sluggards.
5. Ignore Apple, buy a trendy and efficient PowerPC computer from an honest company [genesippc.com]
6. If you realy want a PowerPC system, just go buy a Nintendo Gamecube (for less than USD 50) and hack away with a 100% open-source prospectable system toting 450 MHz PPC processor with 40MB RAM and a Radeon 7000 graphics. It boots Linux at the moment, but needs help elsewhere in terms of extending data storage from the compact DVDROM with help of a network interface.
7. If you realy want to wander beyond the Gamecube, get a 128-bit processor system that boots Linux and supported 100%: Sega Dreamcast.
8. I hear there are affordable Sun Sparcs...in dumpsters. Scott Mcnealy made sure the bright people at Sun would never *ever* need to get arm-to-arm with the gothic Apple mimes.

Cheap, but not cheap enough. (3, Insightful)

zerofoo (262795) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663975)

We recently bought a bunch of Dells - P4 2.8Ghz, 512 MB ram, 80 GB hard drives, DVD-CD burner, with a 19" LCD monitor for $450.00. I could buy two of those for the price of the iMac. Yeah, I know....windows....Mac OS X, windows blah blah blah.

OK, so the Dell has a separate tower VS the all in one design of the iMac....but the Dell costs HALF what the Mac costs.

-ted

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (5, Funny)

Cadallin (863437) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663985)

And the Pre-installed Spyware and Adware was FREE too!

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664212)

You mean you booted it without a Knoppix disc in the drive?

Are you fucking retarded?

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (3, Funny)

JourneyExpertApe (906162) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664234)

Yeah, because it really costs $450 to reformat the hard drive and install the OS of your choice. Or you could take the less extreme approach and uninstall all the "trial versions" and such that come with it. Nah, I'd rather pay an extra $450 to have the pretty Mac logo on the case so everyone knows I'm hip. Especially if I'm on a tight budget.

</sarcasm>

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (0, Offtopic)

MoxFulder (159829) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664005)

Yeah, I bought my PC about 3 months ago. It's a 2.2 ghz AMD 64-bit with 1 gig RAM, 19" LCD, and it came with a pretty nice printer. Including wifi card add-on, I spent $700 on the whole thing. Its specs kill the iMac... and it cost less, even including the Micro$oft tax. The funny thing is I never even booted Windows. The first time I turned it on was to install Ubuntu.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (5, Informative)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664035)

is it silent? built in web cam? video editor? A nice UI?
And the dual core out performs the AMD 2.2.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (2, Insightful)

pthor1231 (885423) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664089)

does he want a web-cam? does he video-edit? does he think OS X has a nice UI? Better yet, does you web-cam totting, video-editing, "pretty" machine come with a larger screen that 17"? Yeah, it does, for nearly double the price. Maybe some people base their choices on stuff thats not important to you, like being able to choose a variety of monitors seperately from the phsyical machine itself.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664215)

Plug a second bigger monitor in?

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (2, Informative)

hlimethe3rd (879459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664007)

Granted, for a lot of educational uses this doesn't matter, but I still feel obligated to point out that your 2.8GHz P4 puts out twice as much heat and is about half the speed. So the comparison isn't quite fair on specs, though it may be for usage.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (0)

geekoid (135745) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664023)

but the iMacs I have used have been silent. Dell's, not so much.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (1)

chill (34294) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664092)

but the iMacs I have used have been silent. Dell's, not so much.

Then you are one of the few.

I have two friends who purchased iMacs for music/video production and one of their constant problems when recording voiceovers was the iMac fans would kick on and they'd get a soft "whooosh" sound in their recording. Since the iMac was "all in one" they just couldn't stick CPU somewhere with long cables. One eventually returned it and got a PowerMac, the other just does all his production on a PC and uses the iMac for other purposes.

The initial iMacs had tons of heat problems and serious video interference from a poor midplane design. Check Google for details.

  -Charles

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (1)

toccoa (206164) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664039)

As the Mikado said, "let the punishment fit the crime"

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (1)

ceejayoz (567949) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664110)

The iSight camera alone is $129 IIRC. Sure, you could get a Logitech piece of crap, but the comparison wouldn't be very fair.

Add in MS Word - OSX can (usually) read .doc right out of the box - and you're getting up towards the Mac's price point.

Comparisons like these are invariably flawed, but yours was particularly unfair.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664150)

Add in MS Word - OSX can (usually) read .doc right out of the box - and you're getting up towards the Mac's price point.

So can XP after a fashion - WordPad...

That being said, if I got a Hel^W Dell, the first thing I'd do would either be to reinstall Windoze, making sure to keep the drivers and activation files from the old drive, or install Debian or Ubuntu. The crap that you get with a "stock" Dell is extremely annoying and can lead to boot times > 5 min on a new machine.

-b.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664184)

You can't compare the price of an all-in-one compact design with a Dell tower plus monitor. Would you compare the price of a desktop vs a notebook? Perhaps when deciding what's best for your needs but not when comparing value of the two choices.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664247)

Does Apple have a comparably priced tower plus monitor?

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664199)

Yeah ... but... you would end up with a dell??

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (1)

skingers6894 (816110) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664200)

"Yeah, I know....windows....Mac OS X, windows blah blah blah."

This IS actually the point.

Mac OS X IS the differentiator. If you don't want Mac OS X - get your Dell. If you do then get one of these.

Simple.

Re:Cheap, but not cheap enough. (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664210)

.. in seriousness, how much was the shipping and handling?

Dell is know to charge $200 for shipping and handling on a $399 computer worth $550 on the market. Dell pays Fedex $30 and pockets the change and the consumer thinks he got a good deal on the system.

I dont know if they still do this but for awhile it worked as everyone orded Dell's because they appeared cheaper.

Education iMac stats (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663979)

Dang. Just bought an education discount Mac mini myself. Looks like this includes a 17 inch LCD, combo CD+R/W and DVD, 512MB DDR2 SDRAM (expand to 2GB) and HD expand to 160GB. But the cool part is the built-in iSight vcam, Gigapop Ethernet, 802.11g WiFi (54Mbps wireless), 5 USB ports and 2 FireWire 400 ports.

And the usual extra software thrown in.

Re:Education iMac stats (1)

darkgreen (599556) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664080)

Maybe I'm missing something, but did you just paraphrase the info that was already in the summary, just not as clearly?

I'm not making a crack or anything, just trying to see what the point was.

Re:Education iMac stats (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664111)

I'm slightly amused that these MAC trolls are starting to strut their hardware stuff. This guy is even happy that he got free bloat ware. He just called it the usual extra software

Things a student strives on? (1, Insightful)

chris_eineke (634570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663983)

Whoa there, if a $899 computer is what a student strives on, then what about student loans, rent, utilities, and groceries?

Get a prev-gen iMac for less than half the price and spend the rest on beer and hookers or callboys.

Re:Things a student strives on? (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664158)

Whoa there, if a $899 computer is what a student strives on, then what about student loans, rent, utilities, and groceries?

I never spent more than about $250 on *any* computer in college, considering that there were many people willing to throw away "last year's model" or sell it very cheaply. I got into Macs after I graduated and started to have money.

-b.

Re:Things a student strives on? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664240)

University students: thrive on, or strive for, pick one. :}

I'd get one... (5, Funny)

$hecky (445344) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663989)

But I've switched to Ubuntu.

Re:I'd get one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664070)

So have I, but it didn't stop me using my PowerBook.

Don't hate on other Unix systems, it's bad karma, man.

Just in time for Leopard (2, Interesting)

RunFatBoy.net (960072) | more than 8 years ago | (#15663999)

If Leopard has the Windows support that I think it will, this iMac could easily become the next must-have next to the iPod.

College students want a cheap but stylish machine, yet they don't want to lose their "gaming" functionality. It could be a perfect marriage.

Jim http://www.runfatboy.net/ [runfatboy.net] -- Exercise for the rest of us.

Re:Just in time for Leopard (1)

perfectlynormalbeast (221743) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664026)

GMA 950 integrated graphics isn't exactly going to "tear it up" in games.

Re:Just in time for Leopard (3, Informative)

Wildfire Darkstar (208356) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664055)

College students want a cheap but stylish machine, yet they don't want to lose their "gaming" functionality. It could be a perfect marriage.

Except that, as even a modest gaming rig, it's entirely uninspiring, largely thanks to the graphics chip. As the GMA 950 lacks support for things like T&L and vertex shaders, it's not going to cut it for most modern games. And since it draws from main system memory, the fact that the system is shipping with only 512MB (even granted the fact that it's expanadable to 2GB) is going to be a problem, as well. It seems extremely unlikely to me that this is going to set anyone's world on fire. It certainly won't bomb, but I don't really think it's going to expand much beyond the original eMac niche.

what about non gamers? (1)

YesIAmAScript (886271) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664286)

I do agree it's a bad gaming machine.

But that doesn't mean it can't expand beyond the eMac niche.

There are plenty of non-gamers in this world.

Yes, but... (4, Funny)

tlacuache (768218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664001)

does it run a Lin... I mean, imagine a Beowulf clust... ah, crap, I choked.

From the Apple Store for Education (4, Informative)

Pinky3 (22411) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664011)

17-inch widescreen LCD
1440x900 resolution
1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor (1)
512MB memory (2x256MB SO-DIMMs)
80GB Serial ATA hard drive
24x Combo drive (DVD-ROM, CD-RW)
Intel GMA 950 graphics with 64MB of shared memory
($899)

The regular entry level iMac comes with
17-inch widescreen LCD
1440x900 resolution
1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor (1)
512MB memory (single SO-DIMM)
160GB Serial ATA hard drive
8x double-layer SuperDrive (DVD±RW, CD-RW)
ATI Radeon X1600 graphics with 128MB GDDR3 memory
Bluetooth 2.0
Apple Remote
($1199)

You save $300, but give up Apple Remote, bluetooth, ATI Radeon, 80GB of drive space, and the SuperDrive.

The Intel GMA950 makes it a non-starter... (1)

Ritz_Just_Ritz (883997) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664141)

For the extra $300, I'd much rather have a functional video card and the superdrive. I think most college kids would be disappointed the minute they tried to play any game and had the machine slow to a crawl or simply be unable to play the game at all.

Re:The Intel GMA950 makes it a non-starter... (3, Interesting)

bsartist (550317) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664271)

I think most college kids would be disappointed the minute they tried to play any game and had the machine slow to a crawl
Probably, but for parents who want their kids to focus on school work instead of games, that might well be a selling point.

Does it come with a Malibu Stacey(R) hat? (1)

SlashdotTroll (581611) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664238)

Pinky3 {
You save $300, but give up Apple Remote, bluetooth, ATI Radeon, 80GB of drive space, and the SuperDrive.
} Pinky3

Does the expensive version come with a Malibu Stacey(R) hat?

On second thought, I'll wait for the Geico PC; I bet it'll be better than the offer from Apple, and when the kernel crashes and the resulting computer gets hit by a chair or finds its way out the window of a multi-storied building then the Insurance will kick in. I'm sure the Geico gecko would be backed by SuSE as well. Apple doesn't even help YellowDog Linux. Operating System developers should be lumped into the same pile of software developers, no different than are gas stations.

Imagine... (1)

anidiot (821082) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664021)

A Beowulf cluster of those, of course! In Soviet Russia, iMacs educate YOU!

A bit spoiled? (4, Insightful)

aliens (90441) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664037)

the cheapness that us university students strive on

$900 for a computer, for students, er yeah I guess some of them have that kind of cash. But I don't think they fit the stretched to the max, loans up the wazoo students that you'll encounter in today's universities. Those students still get by on the computer resources made available by the school.

In fact for $400 you could get a laptop from a couple of PC makers.

Saying that any price point is cheap and affordable only makes you look like an ass and makes other people feel bad. /Get off my lawn

Re:A bit spoiled? (1)

tonyr1988 (962108) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664208)

Most kids entering college do one (or more) of these to get a computer:
  1. Get it as a graduation gift from parents / other family members,
  2. Buy it with money given to them as graduation gifts,
  3. Receive it through a scholarship,
  4. Buy it with a student loan, or
  5. Use the school's labs.

I'm lucky enough to be in boat #3, and many other students that receive it through other means don't care too much about the price.

Re:A bit spoiled? (1)

TheVoice900 (467327) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664260)

That's interesting. At my university it seems like almost EVERYONE has a laptop now. And most people I see are carrying around those 17" monoliths from Toshiba or Dell that weigh about 20 lbs. I started school there 4 years ago, and I got myself a laptop part of the way in to my first year so that I'd be able to work on projects without having to rely on finding space in the lab. At the time, I was one of the few people with a laptop. Then in the last 2 or 3 years, laptop use at my school has exploded, it's almost unusual to see someone walking around *without* a laptop. They're having to upgrade their shoddy wireless infrastructure because the users are now putting such a huge load on it that it's often hard to authenticate with the auth server.

Not Available in Canada (2, Informative)

fatwreckfan (322865) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664052)

Unfortunately it's not available in Canada apparently. I called the Apple Store and they couldn't tell me if it would be eventually either. It's a shame.

Corner Them - Then Exploit. (1)

CampbellFromCITA (981069) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664059)

Well this sort of tactic has been working for Microsoft for a while - make their machines more accessible during the learning and perfecting stages of the education/training process then you have a market share that is likely to support you product well into professional life.

Come to think of it where's the free Machintosh to encourage my business to support and help market their product?

So its the imac version of the ipod nano? (1)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664072)

It's almost what you want, but not really. Its still on the expensive side too.

Dude... JCreator? (2, Informative)

jungwirr (249169) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664074)

Hello? Eclipse?

Re:Dude... JCreator? (1)

LDoggg_ (659725) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664203)

Not only does eclipse have a much, much larger feature set, JCreator costs 70 bucks

If they want something a little more lightweight with a similar feature set to jcreator, jedit [jedit.org] is free and will run on a mac.

Re:Dude... JCreator? (1)

mad.frog (525085) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664268)

Yeah, I want to give the submitter a "-1, Offtopic" for even mentioning that...

Huh? (1)

kernelpanicked (882802) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664081)

Maybe I just don't get it, but since when is 900 freakin dollars "cheap"? I can get a much more powerful commodity Intel box (which is all Macs are now) and load up FreeBSD for around $300. Apple really should just get over themselves and release a system that's in line with today's computer prices.

Re:Huh? (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664167)

$300. Apple really should just get over themselves and release a system that's in line with today's computer prices.

I agree, but only about their desktops. With their laptops, where are you going to get a laptop that's as light, functional, and sturdy as a MacBook at the same price? Before you say "VAIO", Vaios aren't cheap either and have plasticky shite construction quality. Maybe Averatec...

-b.

Re:Huh? (1)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664245)

Macbook pro has issues and is too hot.

I wanted one but Apple refused to finance me one because I was a college student. I got a compaq pressario v4000 for $740 because it was opened and discontinued and it runs faster and cooler than my gf's $1400 vio that is always overheating. With loans and money down I only pay $20 for my laptop. Not bad

Re:Huh? (1)

Quantum Fizz (860218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664275)

Regarding financing, most colleges have their own federal credit unions, which are basically like a private bank. These credit unions usually offer computer loans at rates notably cheaper than the commercial banks, and most likely cheaper than the computer company too. Keep in mind for your next computer purchase.

Why the iSight? (1)

DreadPiratePizz (803402) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664114)

Seems they could have dropped the price a bit if they didn't include the built in iSight, which doesn't strike me as much added value.

Re:Why the iSight? (1)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664202)

The iSight is necessary as it adds functionality to several iLife apps. Video conferencing, photobooth etc. Not every school setup will use them but many will. Bluetooth on the other hand is different. For home users bluetooth can be used for headsets, keyboard/mouse , file transfer from cameraphones.

Keyboard and wireless mouse is the real deal-breaker for some people but in a computer lab it's exactly what you don't want. Also bluetooth is easier to remove. You can just take the chip out and people can buy a module if they really want it. iSight OTOH would be very hard to retrofit.

Lap it up, fanboys. (0)

Shaun Olsen (956330) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664143)

Chalk this one up to the rabid Mac fanboyism. As a poster above mentioned, this is just ridiculous, how can these people feel remotely comfortable marketing this as 'cheap'. A cheap Mac, sure! But if you just build an actual cheap PC, you'll at least have money left over for booze and strippers. In addition to this, Lao said, "A bonus, Dr. Jones. That is poison. You just drank the rest of it." Indiana examines his champagne glass and sees a residue at the bottom of it. He swallows and feels sick, wondering it it's fear or the poison already taking effect. Lao continues, "There is an antidote for this poison. You give me Nurhachi -- I give you the antidote." Indiana is sweating. Willie looks at him and sees Indy's hand shaking. Lao goes on, "The poison works fast, Dr. Jones. Where is Nurhachi?" Indiana finally reaches into his pocket. Next to the cash, gold, jewels and poison, Indiana sets down a beautiful small box. Lao and his men stare hypnotically at the exquisite gold and enamel box.

So I don't know about you guys but I think Apple has to come up with something better than this, though to be perfectly honest, they are on the right track.

Lenovo N100 models hit this price point (2, Informative)

gelfling (6534) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664164)

The Lenovo N100s (notebooks) have some mods that come in at $900; dual core, 1GB RAM, CDDVD. 15.4" screen. They come in around $900 give or take.

So.... (1)

elgee (308600) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664178)

Where can I buy some cheap student credentials to buy one at that price? I might actually spring for one at $899 and have a Mac again. It has been many years....

This isn't just for students (2, Informative)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664179)

Our University has over 700 Macs and upgrades varying labs every few years. We were looking at replacing some old labs with Core Duo Minis, but this is actually cheaper as we don't have to buy LCD displays for them and get more and better features. No need to buy a new keyboard and mouse, too.

Server really slow so here's the text. (0, Redundant)

ElephanTS (624421) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664190)

Apple has introduced a US$899 configuration of the 17-inch iMac designed specifically for education customers featuring a 1.83GHz Intel Core Duo processor. It's available immediately and will replace the eMac, Apple's last CRT based computer.

Featuring a 17-inch widescreen LCD display, the iMac for education includes a Combo drive for burning CDs and reading DVDs, 512MB of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM memory expandable up to 2GB and hard drive storage capacity up to 160GB. Every iMac also includes a built-in iSight video camera, built-in 10/100/1000 BASE-T Gigabit Ethernet for high-speed networking, built-in AirPort Extreme 802.11g WiFi for up to 54Mbps wireless networking, a total of five USB ports (three USB 2.0) and two FireWire 400 ports.

Like all the models in the iMac line, it comes with Mac OS X 10.4.6, iLife '06, Safari, Mail, iCal, iChat AV, Front Row and Photo Booth. The 17-inch iMac for education is available immediately for education customers through the Apple Store for Education or by calling an Apple education sales representative at 800-800-APPL. The eMac will no longer be in production and is available for purchase while supplies last through the Apple Store for Education or by calling an Apple education sales representative at 800-800-APPL.


Sounds fine for a computer lab... (1)

Wdomburg (141264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664220)

... but for a student I'd go with a laptop. Not much more expensive, if you insist on Apple, and less from most x86 vendors.

They haven't thought this through properly... (3, Funny)

pawzle (985995) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664235)

... because if they had actually ASKED a few students, the students would probably have said:

a) "What ? No DVD burner ? How the hell am I supposed to earn beer money by pirating things I've downloaded on school internet ?!"

b) "No remote ? GTF out of here, now how am I supposed to cycle through my slideshow of err.. botany pictures from bed with one hand ?!"

Good on them for trying, but I think this machine is basically a decoy so that they can say the iMac line-up "starts at $899", because taking out something like a dvd writer is just going to make everyone want the next model up. This machine is more likely to find a home with housewives who want to browse the web without all the spyware and virii.

As a recent grad... (1)

a_greer2005 (863926) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664237)

I can tell you that the life-blood of current college students is 3-4 year old PCs with Maxed out ram and paying a geek in pizza and Mt Dew to come delete the trial/spy/crap ware, configure email and install Office, and whatever special apps they have in their major...pizza and MT Dew is good pay for a college geek...

Guinness or OS X? (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664243)

$899 = 1.83MHz Core Duo iMac with 17" screen and not enough RAM.

$899 = 12-pack bottled Guinness Draught [bevmo.com] x at least 50.

So, an iMac or 600 bottles of Guinness. College student unimpressed.

And don't anybody say "B-B-B-BUT THE GUINNESS DOESN'T COME WITH ILIFE" or I will rip your fucking head off and shove it up your ass.

Outside US? (1)

McCarrum (446375) | more than 8 years ago | (#15664289)

I've been poking around the apple site(s) and have yet to see it anywhere outside the US. Personally, I'm tempted to get two of them for my elder kids (5 kids == expensive schooling) but can't find local details for Australia.

Anyone know more on this?

Pseudo-cheap. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15664301)

Sure, if you need a sorta-cheap Mac... well, this is it.

However, if you're a student like me, you'd build your own Ubuntu-based box (or if you must, get a copy of XP home) for sub-$600. Being a gaming whore, I have generally kept specs on my system pimped, but if anyone here is actually looking for something to take to college, you should realize better solutions exist.
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