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Oh! Can I Please Be the First?!? (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671887)

eBay has added Google Checkout to the list of payment options banned on eBay.

I want to be the first to predict Google sues eBay for monopolistic practices or some other restriction on open and fair trade! <8^) This is just begging those two extremely rich guys up Highway 101 to see who has the best lawyers and legs to stand on. Honestly, IANAL, but I don't see it as within the rights of eBay to dictate how people accomplish the financial transactions for Rearranging the World's Junk, as they are merely the facilitators.

I also predict Google will win, but eBay will try to make it as clunky as possible.

There's just something about the culture within eBay which is visible to outside world, that these people are real dorks when it comes to business, but like Microsoft, were in the right place at the right time, which seems to go a very long way in business and the public forgiving leaders for bad practices.

As described in our safe buying guide, eBay strongly encourages sellers to offer payments through PayPal - PayPal is not only convenient to use, but it also offers buyers and sellers industry leading protection against fraud, chargebacks and theft of financial data.

Violations of this policy may result in a range of actions including:

  • Listing cancellation
  • Forfeit of eBay fees on cancelled listings
  • Listing cancellation
  • Limits on account privileges
  • Loss of PowerSeller status
  • Account suspension
  • Or any other anti-competitive behaviour to insure our monopoly!

And that wouldn't have anything at all to do with PayPal being a property of eBay [wikipedia.org] and further lining their pockets. ;-)

What next, coining their own money and then claiming payments can only be made with their own eBucks? I think the US Federal Reserve would have a thing or two to say about that.

Then again, this could be a push to more people offering their stuff on Craig's List [craigslist.org]. I wonder if eBay's 25% interest in that would be leveraged to interfer.

Re:Oh! Can I Please Be the First?!? (5, Insightful)

CrazyJim1 (809850) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671965)

And don't forget:

1) Ebay isn't an auction site.
and
2) Paypal isn't a bank.

This gets them around a lot of nasty local and national laws involving auctions and banks.

Re:Oh! Can I Please Be the First?!? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672215)

Not to mention all the pawn shop requirements they avoid.

Why would Google stop there? (2, Interesting)

parasonic (699907) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672016)

I think of Google as the "kindly predator." It makes its rounds around several industries and outdoes everyone whose services it competes with.

Do you really think that Google will settle with a lawsuit or court settlement? This may very well be one of the leading reasons to an upcoming auction service, perhaps an eBay killer, likely named gBay.

Re:Why would Google stop there? (5, Funny)

armyofone (594988) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672160)

perhaps an eBay killer, likely named gBay.

Hmmm... that would be a terrible name. But still better than bGay, I suppose...

*** rimshot ***

Not just monopolistic practices (1)

www.sorehands.com (142825) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672038)

I think that Google may include a claim for libel. Their implication to the methods that they accept is that those methods
are subject to fraud.

But, but...Master Card/Visa (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672077)

How this can this be a monopoly when I can also pay for my purchase with Master Card/Visa?

Re:But, but...Master Card/Visa (4, Insightful)

Hizonner (38491) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672102)

eBay doesn't have a monopoly on payments.

It has a monopoly on auctions.

Except for some specific niche markets, eBay is The Place to go for online auctions. It's as dominant as Microsoft is in operating systems.

You don't get to use a monopoly in one area to manipulate the market in another.

Re:But, but...Master Card/Visa (1)

kz45 (175825) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672161)

eBay doesn't have a monopoly on payments.
It has a monopoly on auctions


This may be true, but I would consider it a natural monoploly. Someone else could start their own auction site (which has been done many times), but since most people trust ebay, and it has a critical mass, it's difficult to compete.

Re:Oh! Can I Please Be the First?!? (2, Informative)

hunterkll (949515) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672094)

You can legally coin your own currency and use it within the united states to facuiltate any sort of transaction! Re: Ithaca(or Ithica?) Hours AND "Liberty Dollars" on wikipedia!

Re:Oh! Can I Please Be the First?!? (-1, Troll)

tduff (904905) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672120)

I want to be the first to predict Google sues eBay for monopolistic practices or some other restriction on open and fair trade!
Too bad it was on digg [digg.com] earlier today and was predicted multiple times there. Better luck next time.

Google doesn't HAVE to sue. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672137)

Ebay spends tons of money on Google ads. All Google has to do is refuse to run their ads until they allow their payment service again. If Ebay can refuse to accept payments with Google, then Google can refuse to run Ebay's ads.

Re:Oh! Can I Please Be the First?!? (1)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672158)

I want to be the first to predict Google sues eBay for monopolistic practices or some other restriction on open and fair trade!

This could be part of their strategy to eclipse eBay with their own service. They entangle eBay in a long and expensive litigation process to run down eBay's cash reserves as much as possible before they launch their own competing service with great fanfare, "brought to you by the makers of Google Earth with AJAX and all of that other nifty Web 2.0 stuff".

I also predict Google will win, but eBay will try to make it as clunky as possible.

Right. Now eBay looses AND makes the Google payment method clunky so Google launches their auction service and begins head-to-head competition with eBay. Even if Google does not succeed in running eBay all the way out of the market they can batter their stock to the point where Google can make a hostile takeover bid and snap up their former competitor.

Re:Oh! Can I Please Be the First?!? (2, Insightful)

ehrichweiss (706417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672174)

".....but eBay will try to make it as clunky as possible."

If I hadn't been reading more astutely I would have thought you were talking about Ebay's website...ahem.

monopoly? (2, Interesting)

brickballs (839527) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671891)

IANAL, but I'm curious, could this be considered monopolistic practice?

eBay and PayPal...are..um..connected. (1)

FatSean (18753) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671961)

I mean, how do you think eBay makes money? Not off of auction fees, nossir. PayPal fees.

Re:monopoly? (2, Insightful)

schotty (519567) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672020)

No, I doubt it. Honestly, they are not forced to use any other payment method than they used to support. Just like the grocery store and KMart dont take all credit cards and not everywhere takes checks.

Re:monopoly? (1)

Breakfast Pants (323698) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672123)

KMart owns a credit card company?

Sears owns Kmart (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672139)

KMart owns a credit card company?

Will you be putting that on your Sears card?

Re:monopoly? (1)

jdhutchins (559010) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672173)

eBay isn't the one taking payment. They are saying that to list an auction, you cannot offer to accept Google Checkout. They aren't letting *sellers* take google checkout, not just not taking it themselves.

Re:monopoly? (0, Redundant)

Onan (25162) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672170)


It's important to note that in US law, being a monopoly is not, by itself, illegal. There are, however, laws against several types of anticompetitive behaviour, and having the power of a monopoly means that you are held to a higher standard regarding such behaviours.

So far as I know, no court has examined whether or not ebay is a monopoly. I personally would say they qualify (in light of the extremely strong network effects of the auction broker market), but I'm not a judge.

The sense in which ebay's policy would be most likely to be found illegal, especially as a monopoly, is "bundling": forcing customers to use your non-monopoly product to get access to your monopoly product. This is the way to extend your monopoly beyond its current bounds, which tends to be frowned upon.

No idea yet how that'll play out in this case, though. Even if it ever did come to a trial, resolution would probably be around a decade out. If there's anything that Microsoft has taught us, it's that the judicial system takes about three orders of magnitude too long to effectively stop such predatory practices.

Re:monopoly? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672211)

say it with me!
losers lose!
winners lose!
LAWYERS WIN!

I didn't even know... (3, Funny)

rednip (186217) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671892)

That Google had started Google Checkout [google.com]. Perhaps since it's new eBay will be sure to give it a 'really close look' before they approve it, you know, for the benefit of the (ummm) users. You can trust them, they have a lot of good in house knowledge of Internet payment [paypal.com].

I like ebay less and less. (5, Insightful)

elgee (308600) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671896)

I have been using them for years and they keep getting more expensive and more restrictive.

Unfortunately, there isn't a good alternative yet.

Try Google Base (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15671984)

its free and many sellers use it.

Re:I like ebay less and less. (1)

gclef (96311) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672107)

Nationally/internationally, there isn't. Locally, there absolutely is: craigslist [craigslist.com]. I'm sure you've heard of them. Since it's more geographics-centric, craigslist doesn't come across as having as much stuff on offer, but if you live near a metro area, eventually good stuff will pop up.

Re:I like ebay less and less. (1)

JanneM (7445) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672209)

Nationally/internationally, there isn't.

Internationally, of course there is. If you're in Japan you use Rakuten, not eBay, for instance. Unless you're looking for something you only found there, going abroad to eBay is expensive, slow and risky compared to your local auction and trading site.

That goes the other way around too, of course. If you are an American or European with a serious craving for Japanese cultural ephemera, there's a lot at Rakuten (and other sites) you will never find at eBay or European sites - but you need to be able to read Japanese and take the risk and cost of dealing in an overseas country.

Re:I like ebay less and less. (3, Interesting)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672114)

Unfortunately, there isn't a good alternative yet.

I think you meant "anymore". In the 90's there were quite a few "auction" sites on the internet. eBay's marketing and consolidation have driven most of them either offline or turned them into standard retailers. It's possible some new one could spring back up, but I think it's unlikely. More likely, I think, is eBay just fades into obscurity leaving only free sites like craigslist in its place as people get tired of the hassle and frustration of doing business through eBay.

Re:I like ebay less and less. (1)

irm (759254) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672181)

I have been using them for years and they keep getting more expensive

Stop bidding.

Re:I like ebay less and less. (3, Informative)

70Bang (805280) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672224)



They're also getting more restrictive about who works there.

see wsj.com:

PayPal President Jeff Jordan plans to leave eBay later this year, in the latest high-profile departure to plague the Internet auctioneer. 6:37 p.m.

Also, read items here [cbs13.com], here [informationweek.com].

How Ironic (5, Funny)

WrongSizeGlass (838941) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671898)

I've been banned from eBay and I've had nothing to do with payments ... which is probably why they banned me come to think of it.

Say hello to my little antitrust lawsuit! (1)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671907)

Looks like the guys over at ebay aren't reading [slashdot.org] /. Hope your lawyers have some antitrust litigation experience.

-Eric

Re:Say hello to my little antitrust lawsuit! (4, Insightful)

Foz (17040) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671952)

eBay provides a number of non-paypal alternatives and it's not about monopolistic practices. They have a list of accepted vendors on their website which includes Allpay.net, Bidpay, Canadian Tire Money, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet,com, Moneybookers.com, Ozpay.biz, Payko.com, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, and XOOM. In addition, any merchant-type VISA/Mastercard/etc account is valid, as is a direct exchange of checks, wire transfers (bank to bank), etc.

The list of unapproved money exchanges includes a lot of services including Western Union, so the hue and cry about antitrust and "eBay only allows their own stuff" is nothing more than a bunch of smoke without a fire. eBay specifically states that any "new" service without a track record of privacy protection and customer service will be scrutinized and most likely prohibited until it has some history.

Everyone's quick to bitch and whine about eBay not going after fraud, not going after bad sellers, not backing them up on financial transactions and the like yet when eBay DOES try and show some spine and protection everyone piles on. It has less to do with the "paypal competition" than it does with "we have no idea how stable, how reliable and how safe this service is and we're saying no until such time as it does appear to be safe, private and protected"

Pick a direction to go, guys... do you want eBay to get the hell completely out of your way and act like nothing more than a broker and middleman or do you want them to try and put stuff in place to protect people because you can't have it both ways.

-- Gary F.

Mod parent + (1)

jdbartlett (941012) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672037)

That's an important point, but if protection from unproven services is the real reason for the ban it should be lifted in no time. It'll be interesting to see where eBay and PayPal stand with Google in a year.

Re:Say hello to my little antitrust lawsuit! (4, Informative)

miskatonic alumnus (668722) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672067)

eBay specifically states that any "new" service without a track record of privacy protection and customer service will be scrutinized and most likely prohibited until it has some history.

Paypal has some history [paypalsucks.com]

Re:Say hello to my little antitrust lawsuit! (4, Insightful)

BlindSpot (512363) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672069)

eBay provides a number of non-paypal alternatives and it's not about monopolistic practices. They have a list of accepted vendors on their website which includes Allpay.net, Bidpay, Canadian Tire Money, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet,com, Moneybookers.com, Ozpay.biz, Payko.com, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, and XOOM. In addition, any merchant-type VISA/Mastercard/etc account is valid, as is a direct exchange of checks, wire transfers (bank to bank), etc.

I had to check for myself after reading the above to verify that the inclusion of Canadian Tire Money in that list wasn't a joke. It really is there!

Few Canadians would accept CT$ as a form of payment. Many would consider an attempt to do so to be a goofy joke, or worse. Yet eBay won't accept GooglePay, or even more established providers like Neteller. Hmmm...

(Note for those who don't know: Canadian Tire is a chain of hardware-turned-department stores whose gimmick is that they provide currency-like coupons as cashback on purchases.)

Ooh, Western Union... (1)

wesley96 (934306) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672138)

The list of unapproved money exchanges includes a lot of services including Western Union, so the hue and cry about antitrust and "eBay only allows their own stuff" is nothing more than a bunch of smoke without a fire. eBay specifically states that any "new" service without a track record of privacy protection and customer service will be scrutinized and most likely prohibited until it has some history.
But... I thought Western Union predates eBay, like... a century or something? They're hardly new...

Also, Marty in 1955 was able to get that message from Doc in 1885 via WU and I'm guessing that's a pretty good customer service (location and time of delivery observed as requested), and probably privacy protection, if that dude delivering it didn't open the letter... :)

Re:Say hello to my little antitrust lawsuit! (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672192)

just wait until google bans eBays site and adwords and adsence stuff.. sure it would hurt google's profit but i bet it would be a good kick to ebays at the same time..

let the crap wars proceed

Cant Beat Em? (4, Funny)

phat_goat (836325) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671911)

Cant beat em, ban em. When will they learn.

Re:Cant Beat Em? (3, Insightful)

drpimp (900837) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672193)

This is a very interesting concept, because I don't think it would work the same way if Google banned Ebay results from coming up in the results. I think Ebay would be rather T.O'd for that IMHO.

Canadian Tire Money? Sure. GoogleCash? Oh no. (5, Funny)

bunions (970377) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671925)

it's not so much that I'm surprised they banned google checkout, it's that I'm shocked they specifically allow Canadian Tire Money.

Re:Canadian Tire Money? Sure. GoogleCash? Oh no. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672065)

I'm shocked they specifically allow Canadian Tire Money.


Strange, considering they won't accept Canadian cash.

Canadians without a credit card cannot make online payments with paypal.

They will claim that a credit card is not required to use paypal, but once you have provided them with all of your personal info and banking information, they will tell you, oh - Canadians are required to have a credit card to use paypal. I was suprised by this underhanded information collection and false advertising by a supposedly trustworthy business.

Then I read some of the horror stories here: http://www.paypalsucks.com/ [paypalsucks.com] Scary stuff!

P.S. Does anybody know when/if slashdot intends to fix the pagination of threads? Its a pretty horrific bug for a techie site and makes browsing long threads (as this one will be) very frustrating...

Re:Canadian Tire Money? Sure. GoogleCash? Oh no. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672227)

What are you talking about? Canadians can use PayPal without a credit card just fine.

Re:Canadian Tire Money? Sure. GoogleCash? Oh no. (1)

redphive (175243) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672075)

I would think the buyer would have to charge the seller to ship the Canadian Tire Money (CTM) considering no one ever really has more than $0.25 notes. I know I usually walk away with $0.15 - $0.50 after any purchase, the bricks of CTMs would be enormous. Unless of course there is some online version of CTM that I am not seeing.

How can they do that? (2, Insightful)

electronerdz (838825) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671927)

I don't understand how eBay can say a type of payment can not accepted. Doesn't it depend on the person selling it what methods of payment they use? What if eBay didn't like Mastercard, could they say that Mastercards can not be accepted by anyone using eBay? Does this mean that someone like me who REFUSES to use Paypal can never buy anything on eBay, because I must go through their payment system?

Re:How can they do that? (1)

mark-t (151149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671956)

I think it's a bit like a store having their own (high interest) credit card but not accepting visa, mc, or amex.

And it's completely legal.

Re:How can they do that? (4, Insightful)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672035)

Does this mean that someone like me who REFUSES to use Paypal can never buy anything on eBay, because I must go through their payment system?

It's not like eBay is some natural resource that we all share. It's not a government service, it's a for-profit company that always tells you what the terms of using their service will be, and you agree to them if you want to use the service. Is it smart, from a marketing and PR point of view? Open for debate. Is it reasonable for them to want you to use their own service (PayPal is part of eBay) when making use of their other service? Sure. Is it legal to say that participating in an eBay auction means doing so according their rules? Of course - because there are all sorts of other auction sites, if you'd rather go elsewhere.

Re:How can they do that? (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672066)

Does this mean that someone like me who REFUSES to use Paypal can never buy anything on eBay, because I must go through their payment system?

No, because they explicitly allow [ebay.com] a number of other payment options, including credit cards, personal checks, money orders, cash (but only for in-person transactions)... and even a number of other online payment systems. Bidpay comes to mind.

Additionally, all the wording doesn't actually say the transaction can't be completed that way -- just that the seller can't offer it. The buyer could offer to send cash through the mail, but the seller can't request it. In theory, if the buyer offers to pay via Google Checkout, the seller isn't violating the policy, as long as the seller isn't the one to suggest it. Take this with a grain of salt, though, as I have no intention of testing this interpretation myself...

Cash2india is far more relevant than Google... (4, Informative)

SourceVisigoth (141614) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671936)

Allowed:

Payment Services permitted on eBay: Allpay.net, Bidpay, Canadian Tire Money, cash2india, CertaPay, Checkfree.com, hyperwallet,com, Moneybookers.com, Ozpay.biz, Payko.com, Paymate.com.au, Propay.com, XOOM

Verboten:

Payment Services not permitted on eBay: AlertPay.com, anypay.com, AuctionChex.com, AuctionPix.com, BillPay.ie, ecount.com, cardserviceinternational.com, CCAvenue, ecount, e-gold, eHotPay.com, ePassporte.com, EuroGiro, FastCash.com, Google Checkout, gcash, GearPay, Goldmoney.com, graphcard.com, greenzap.com, ikobo.com, Liberty Dollars, Moneygram.com, neteller.com, Netpay.com, Nochex.com, paychest.com, payingfast.com, paypay, Postepay, Qchex.com, rupay.com, scripophily.com, sendmoneyorder.com, stamps, Stormpay, wmtransfer.com, xcoin.com

Re:Cash2india is far more relevant than Google... (3, Insightful)

Hannah E. Davis (870669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672159)

I find it more amusing that they specifically allow Canadian Tire Money...

Now I'm starting to wish I had more of that stuff. Paying for an expensive ebay auction entirely in Canadian Tire Money would be a whole new kind of awesome.

Heh, auctions.google.com (4, Interesting)

HaeMaker (221642) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671938)

Why sue them when they can probably implement auctions.google.com in much less time. I am pretty sure google could implement a much better auction setup than eBay, and the kicker? They won't ban you from using paypal.

Auction sights need buyers & sellers (1)

patio11 (857072) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672042)

Sure, Google could theoretically cross-promote everything on the auction sight to users of the main search service. That still wouldn't necessarily solve the critical mass problem, which allows eBay to kill off every other significant competitor -- if you need it, its on eBay. Thus, the buyers are on eBay. Thus, all sellers go to eBay. What would you have to offer the first couple hundred thousand auction sellers to convince them to go to Gooooogle?

Re:Auction sights need buyers & sellers (2, Insightful)

geekoid (135745) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672071)

Don't take a percentage of the sales.

Re:Auction sights need buyers & sellers (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672152)

don't take a percentage of sales

AND offer an actual secured channel for payments if the seller wants to require it
a layered approach that would start with google checkout and scale up to things with higher security ratings such as USB smart cards

Re:Auction sights need buyers & sellers (1)

AnotherBrian (319405) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672163)

That still wouldn't necessarily solve the critical mass problem, which allows eBay to kill off every other significant competitor -- if you need it, its on eBay. Thus, the buyers are on eBay. Thus, all sellers go to eBay.

EXPECTORATE-Gmail-EXPECTORATE

Google is an advertiser at beginning, not eBay. (0)

NRAdude (166969) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672190)

Regardless, I will be among the earliest use of Google for any auction services they have available. Some would think it a disppointment to know Google has been involved with advertiseing, but heavier thought dictates that Google would offer a greater ease of software design to the persons associated in an auction. eBay has a horrid auction implementation that just gets more poluted. Google developers are certainly learning from eBay's public relations failures, and eBay's failing classification system that favors more for mass auction capabilities instead of supporting local-oriented casual auctions from less-intimidating persons.

A neighbor has been reminding me how many poor-quality counterfeit goods are on eBay, and I equate eBay actually banning them to be to the detriment of eBay. eBay is gone... I welcome Google, and an auction list index with auction pages and feedback system more effective and with a lighter HTML footprint. Let the auctioner determine auction layout, not the service. eBay has failed in that regard, and the introductory information above the eBay discription is horridly overwhelming to the description.

Cheers to the Google shareholders! I hope Google buys Yahoo before Microsoft does, but I doubt it.

That's crazy... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672206)

Clearly it will be called gBay

This is good. (4, Insightful)

gasmonso (929871) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671943)

This shows that eBay fears Google's new service. Ebay is starting to show its age and lack of innovation. It needs competition from the likes of Google and anyone else that can challenge them. I stopped using eBay due to the high fees. Good luck Google and I hope you bring a good fight!

http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]

Big surprise (1)

Proof_of_death (718276) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671953)

Google wins in any market they bother to enter. Paypal wants to ban Google Checkout? I expect Google Auctions within the year.

Seems like something like this happened before... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15671957)

It seems like something like this happened before...

I remember a certain OS and a certain company bundling a certain web browser with their OS and trying to make a certain other web browser incompatible.

And yes, I am certain about this.

Re:Seems like something like this happened before. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672194)

Netscape never had an OS, but you're right about that browser incompatibility--they were arrogant as hell until a bigger fish chewed them up.

Coming Soon: (2, Interesting)

Xenex (97062) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671967)

Google Auctions [google.com].

eBay, just like PayPal, are in a position of almost total dominance. Google are one of few companies in a position to compete with them.

If you can't join them, beat them.

In Other News . . . . (0, Troll)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671968)

Department Store A doesn't accept charge cards from other department stores. Slashdotters speculate that Department Stores B and C will sue for illegal monopolistic practices.

Re:In Other News . . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672001)

Department stores are not monopolies, nor are their cards to be used outside the store (I assume). I can't exactly nor reasonably expect to bring my blockbuster card to netflix.

Re:In Other News . . . . (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672080)

Its more like having a flee market and requiring that everyone use the orginizers brand of credit cards.

Nonsense. (1)

ScentCone (795499) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672131)

Its more like having a flee market and requiring that everyone use the orginizers brand of credit cards.

When was the last time your average flea market had extensive TOS agreements to help combat fraud, because that flea market has millions of people walking through it? In a flea market, you're standing, face-to-face, with the person you're thinking about doing business with. In most cases, it's cash and carry. The service that eBay provides (and which you do not have to use!) includes a lot more layers than a flea market. They charge for those extra layers, and people keep coming back with money in hand to pay for their listing/transaction services because they like having that enormous audience for their auctions. Will this erode some of that? Maybe. A bit. Too bad for eBay if they lose a few customers or transactions.

Will you complain if Google starts up their own auction site? Will that be Google being too "monopolistic," since they're just so big and powerful in other ways? If this was a mistake by eBay, the market will sort it out.

Re:In Other News . . . . (1)

evilviper (135110) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672101)

Department Store A doesn't accept charge cards from other department stores.

eBay is an aution house, not a department store.

They're not refusing to accept a certain type of payment, they're BANNING sellers and buyers from using this payment method by listing it AS A SCAM.

Your analogy couldn't be more wrong IF YOU TRIED.

Re:In Other News . . . . (1)

Goldsmith (561202) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672124)

I wonder why it is Sears takes Mastercard and Visa today, yet no one seems to take a Sears card?

Re:In Other News . . . . (1)

CanSpice (300894) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672125)

That analogy would hold if you could only use PayPal to pay for items bought off eBay. Since PayPal is a general payment system, it doesn't hold.

A more accurate analogy would be if Sears owned Visa and banned MasterCard and American Express purchases.

Wrong analogy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672134)

E-bay provides the marketplace so that sellers can sell their goods, so they are more like the landlord of a department store.

The individual stores should be allowed to use whatever methods they want of exchanging money for their goods. The landlord should not dictate which credit cards an individual store can use, that is up to the store itself.

pffft whatever (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15671969)

I rarely bother with eBay anymore. It's just too damn expensive to list items, packing up stuff to send to people who then leave negative feedback because the courier arrived while they were at work.

Google should do a Bender, and make their own auctions site, with blackjack... and hookers. Or maybe not the blackjack, but hookers rock.

If it's concern for the customer. . . (4, Insightful)

kimvette (919543) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671980)

Then eBay would ban Paypal, since Paypal is notorious for ripping off customers, refusing to arbitrate disputes like they're supposed to, and sit on your money for a week when you want to transfer funds to pay for a purchase. After all, it's not like eBay has a vested interest in the continued support of allowing paypal while banning the non-evil Google, right? Oh wait a second, Paypal = feeBay. Can you say anticompetitive business practice where they are leveraging a monopoly in one market segment in order to maintain dominance in another?

Of course, as it happens (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15671992)

Google does not accept AdWords payments via eBay's PayPal service. [google.com]

Of course, that's a quite different situation-- Google is only determining which methods of payment they do and don't accept when customers are purchasing services from Google, whereas eBay is determining which methods of payment eBay's customers may accept when purchasing products from each other. So I'm not exactly equating what Google does to what paypal/eBay does.

But it's still kind of funny.

the Power of Exposure (-1)

celeb8 (682138) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671993)

It seems that they've removed said policy already. Nice work slashdot

No (1)

Silent sound (960334) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672028)

You just don't know how to use their website. The page consists of several sections, which can be expanded and collapsed by clicking the "show" and "hide" links in the section title bars. Click "show" on the second section title bar (labelled "some examples") to see the list of services which are and are not permitted.

Anti-Trust lawsuit, anyone? (-1, Redundant)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 7 years ago | (#15671996)

Considering that eBay owns PayPal, a perceivable competitor to Google's Checkout program, could this be seen as an anti-competetive move? Considering that Google is pretty much the auction site, this would be a large portion of auction users that Google may try to target. It would be akin to Microsoft locking people out of using programs that weren't made by Microsoft.

Now that I think about it, eBay doesn't accept other payment websites such as YowCow, do they? Granted, YowCow has pretty much shut down now, but there are other similar businesses online. Could Google be able to gear up for a class-action suit against eBay, using both their own service and partnering with similar businesses to take on eBay?

In other news (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15671999)

Google has announced that due to large amounts of fraud taking place at eBay.com they will now block all of their pages to protect its users. Wonder how feeBay would feel about that one. Or better yet just quit taking eBay's money and see how they fair without some advertising on their site.

Re:In other news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672146)

they will now block all of their pages to protect its users.

What am I going to do?!?! I cant't type www.ebay.com in the address bar??

More of the same.. (0, Redundant)

zyl0x (987342) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672008)

Wow, I can't believe the amount of anti-trust garbage going around these days. How do companies think they will ever get away with things like this? Do they think we won't notice, or do they think that we don't care? Most of the time it's the latter. They know it will upset a lot of people, but a lot of people won't do anything about it. It's the internet generation that holds the most influence on the economy today. If everyone who was concerned actually sent an email, or wrote one letter, these companies would be so swamped in feedback that they'd have no choice but to react. I would recommend that anyone who is as angry about this as I am, email or otherwise file a customer complaint against eBay. I have already done it myself, in a calm and intelligent manner. Companies like eBay, which rely solely on online exposure and reputation to earn their money, take customer feedback very seriously. With enough commotion generated by its customers, I feel that this could be a disaster we could prevent ourselves.

That's it, ebay! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672024)

This means war!!!

Will they accept Flooz? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672026)

Whoopi talked into getting a bunch of flooz. I need to spend some quick . . .

My guess about how this happened: (5, Funny)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672076)

Okay, I'm guessing, maybe this is how it happened:

An eBay executive was sitting around thinking, how can I get $5,000,000 of bad, sink-the-company publicity for almost free?

YES, that's it!!!! Do something against Google, which is, today, the equivalent of doing something against cute kittens.

It's just an act (2, Funny)

Kohath (38547) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672200)

Do something against Google, which is, today, the equivalent of doing something against cute kittens.

Those kittens are only acting cute and doing cute things to trick you into feeding them and letting them into your bed. Don't be another victim.

Absolute Evil banned from Relative Evil (-1, Troll)

WED Fan (911325) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672169)

Google, read "Absolute Evil", can't get their product on their competitor's web site, Boo-fricking-hoo. Google plumbs the depths of evil for their cooperation with China. Best they were never born.

Isn't this a death blow for Google Checkout ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15672179)

End of days for Google Checkout ? The biggest marketplace on the Intraweb has just banned it. And as if that weren't enough, it is actually more expensive than Paypal !

For all those who think that Google is gonna kill this product or that, hold your breath, head over to BusinessWeek.com and read about it. Not a single market leader product, except search. While GMail and Google Maps have done well, others are so far behind.

Inconsistancies and antitrust (1)

CokeJunky (51666) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672182)

So, ebay lists Candian Tire Money (which for Americans not in the know is esentially a coupon that you get for using cash or Debit at Candian Tire, a department store with an automotive bent) which is directly in contrevention with
"Whether the payment model involves precious metals, or other non-cash (points, miles, minutes, coupons, discounts)"
but don't permit google checkout. IANAL, but as I understand antitrust laws, the definition of which is using a monopoly in one business to push into another -- Now Ebay itself as a service (auctions)is practically a monopolly, and though they own paypal, it is a seperate business/industry(payment processing), then they are using that monopoly in auctions to hurt competition in payment acceptance.
They had better provide valid reasons why options like that are not permitted, and expect to face lawsuits -- Google has shown itself not to be to shy about pushing it's case when appropriate.
I suspect they will back pedal citing some concern based on the list they had of reasons, and then state that a reevaluation of that policy that they decided that Google Checkout is appropriate.

Google Responds! (1)

ookabooka (731013) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672196)

Three hours after the announcement that Google Checkout would no longer be accepted as payment for items on eBay. Google announced plans to blacklist the eBay.com domain from its search engine. Google spokesman Harrold Harris commented "Eat me eBay. We can do them more harm then they can do us; Google Checkout was just a Beta anyway." More at eleven.

eBay better watch it (1)

pestilence669 (823950) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672213)

It's not THAT difficult to build an auction site, and if anyone has enough weight to do it successfully, it's Google (not Amazon). Why would they want to even put this thought into their PhD heads?

eBay is horrible, greedy, and a monopoly. (1)

masterbw (967444) | more than 7 years ago | (#15672220)

eBay is an auction site, its users have the RIGHT to choose whom to use to pay!! I dislike PayPal for a long time already. eBay & PayPal both charge tons of fees.... leaving sellers little room to profit. Again, it's auction house but again No. It's unlike a conventional auction house that takes payment for buyer then pays the seller. eBay is, as they have claimed, to be a intermediary for both buyer & seller. So it's up to the buyer & seller to use any PAYMENT METHOD they desire. Not up to eBay. PayPal has been pretty lame since it has been bought out by eBay. I find it very annoying because of its money-making scheme (money that is already in the system is still charged at the same rate). It's time for another leading power to take on this otherwise ebay is just another monopoly.
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