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Other Game Bundles For the Cost of the PS3

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the lots-of-options dept.

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ImaNumber writes "When Sony announced the price of the PS3 many people were left dumbfounded at how expensive it was going to be. Microsoft joked that people would get the Xbox360 and the Wii instead. Brittlefish has taken this a step further and put together a list of some other gaming 'bundles' that you could buy instead of just getting one PS3. You might be surprised at what you can get for that kind of money."

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149 comments

Wow... (5, Interesting)

jamestheprogrammer (932405) | about 8 years ago | (#15680376)

I can see a lot of parents buying this bundle rather than the PS3 for the same price:
# The "And A Friend" bundle ( $600 ): $250 - Wii $260 - 2 DS Lites $90 - extra Wii-mote and 2 retro controllers (estimate)
This would be perfect for those common families that make up so much of America with two kids... the two DSs will keep them from constantly saying "Are we there yet?" in the car, and that Wii will keep them entertained at home. And you get all that for the same price of a PS3...

Re:Wow... (-1, Flamebait)

NilObject (522433) | about 8 years ago | (#15680493)

Man, thank God I wont ever have to actually interact and entertain my kids!

I'll just upgrade them from a pacifier to a DS when they get old enough. That should hold 'em off until I can ship them off to college.

Re:Wow... (3, Interesting)

Fishead (658061) | about 8 years ago | (#15680555)

Just curious, do you have kids?

I have 2 children (3, and 1.5 years old) and although I love them, and like spending time with them, a long road trip can be quite horrible. Children have a VERY short attention span, and the interior of a car is not the easiest place to entertain them. I know I know, they don't need to be entertained 100% of the time, but when you are on a long road trip and they are bored, trust me, electronic entertainment would ROCK.

Just last weekend we drove 5 hours to see my in-laws, and it was TORTURE (the trip, not the visit... ok, the visit was too a little bit). Part of the problem though was my choice of highway. Instead of the high elevation new highway with the $10 toll, I opted for the road with no toll that winds through arid, desert country. Bad choice! It was 38 for a lot of the way, and I don't have air conditioning!!! I was already planning that when we buy a new(er) minivan, I want some sort of electronic entertainment for the kids to go along with the AC.

Re:Wow... (-1, Offtopic)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | about 8 years ago | (#15680620)

It was 38 for a lot of the way, and I don't have air conditioning!!!

lol, wut?

Re:Wow... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680634)

38 degrees = 100.4 American degrees [google.com] .

One American degree is the number of Big Gulps one must consume to remain hydrated.

Re:Wow... (1)

despisethesun (880261) | about 8 years ago | (#15681131)

Most of the world uses Celsius degrees when discussing temperature.

OT: Your sig (2, Funny)

grammar fascist (239789) | about 8 years ago | (#15681464)

This poo is cold.


It's probably somewhere around 38 degrees.

Re:Wow... (1)

Traiklin (901982) | about 8 years ago | (#15681056)

even if you don't have kids, 5 hours of driving across nothingness is going to take it's toll on yourself.

Re:Wow... (1)

grammar fascist (239789) | about 8 years ago | (#15681475)

even if you don't have kids, 5 hours of driving across nothingness is going to take it's toll on yourself.

Better take a Nintendo DS to keep yourself entertained while you drive.

Re:Wow... (0, Offtopic)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | about 8 years ago | (#15683037)

Instead of electronic entertainment to go along with the AC, how about cryogenic storage for those long road trips? Could also come in handy if you wanted to colonize another star system.

Re:Wow... (2, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | about 8 years ago | (#15681036)

Man, thank God you got one of the most obvious and overused troll posts in history out of the way. Yes, any parent who lets their children watch television and/or play videogames is doing a lousy job and doesn't even really like their kids. It's good that people like you are around to point that out.

Re:Wow... (3, Funny)

also-rr (980579) | about 8 years ago | (#15680557)

Personally I'm thinking that the WII with a stand made from $400 in cash seems like a pretty interesting option.

Jeez. Hate much? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680388)

That's the second article in a row (on my home page) dedicated to bashing Sony and the PlayStation 3. Even the New York Post does a better job of hiding its biases than Zonk does.

If you're personally offended by the very thought of someone, somewhere buying a PS3, you need to calm down. People blow their money on ostentatious things all the time -- let them! Must you make the world's purchasing decisions based on 100% rational thinking?

Re:Jeez. Hate much? (0, Troll)

LuciferosX (987569) | about 8 years ago | (#15680501)

Zonk sounds like nothing more than a paid shill sponsored by MS. Not that I can prove it, but just the way he has to bash PS3 any possible way he can screams "I'm paid by somebody to disgrace my competition." If Zonk were smart (no astroturfers are) he'd slow down on the bashing to look a little less biased, a little less likely to be background checked to see where money is coming from. But then again, MS wouldn't pay him for being civil.

Re:Jeez. Hate much? (1, Flamebait)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | about 8 years ago | (#15680736)

Careful - if you even hint that you like sony - you'll be modded into the toilet by the Nintendo fanboys. So will I, but fuck-it.

Or put another way similar to "digg" - lessie over 110 million PS2s sold - OM(fucking)G! PONIES!!!!!???! Someone likes PLAYSTATION? Holy fucking SHIT!!!!!

Re:Jeez. Hate much? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | about 8 years ago | (#15681249)

"If you're personally offended by the very thought of someone, somewhere buying a PS3, you need to calm down. People blow their money on ostentatious things all the time -- let them! Must you make the world's purchasing decisions based on 100% rational thinking?"

In all fairness, Sony still has time to fix things before the thing's launched. Enough bad press might actually cause them to make some changes. Just look at the controller. :P

Well now... (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680433)

Isn't Zonk going a bit overboard with the anti-PS3 stories? I mean, this one doesn't even have much thought behind it. "Stuff that matters", remember? There are a lot of legitimate gripes regarding the PS3 release; don't insult intelligent commentary with fanboy tripe like this.

Re:Well now... (2, Insightful)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | about 8 years ago | (#15680539)

Sorry, but an honest comparison of the opportunity costs involved in buying something priced $X, and finding the conclusion shocking, is a legitimate gripe. When you spend $600, you shouldn't think in terms of "hm, do I got $600 to spare?". You should think, "what are the other things I could be doing with this money." Would you buy a $600 loaf of bread on the grounds you have $600 to spare? No, you'd recognize that you could get *better things* or more bread for the same prices. This is a very fair complaint about a console.

Re:Well now... (1)

LuciferosX (987569) | about 8 years ago | (#15680574)

But technology isn't a mere loaf of bread. $600 is a lot, I admit, but it's also new technology. DVD players, when they first came out, were a lot more than $600. And DVD burners? I was sad I couldn't afford the $2,000+ for them when they were new, and that wasn't that long ago either. Now look at how cheap they are.

Standalone BluRay players are a hell of a lot more expensive than a PS3 and they only play movies. Why can't people complain/troll about those?

Re:Well now... (1)

justchris (802302) | about 8 years ago | (#15680735)

Because no one actually wants to buy one (a standalone blu-ray player)?

All the complaining and bitching about the PS3 is because people want a PS3, but they also want to be able to pay their mortgage. When given a choice between a gaming machine, and shelter, electricity, water & food, one side of that scale is going to weigh more heavily than the other.

I, personally, am a major Nintendo fan, but I still want a PS3. However, I just have no way of justifying the necessary expenditure.

To be fair, I've also never paid more than $80 for a DVD burner. I was perfectly willing to wait for the price to decrease. I'll do the same for the PS3, assuming it actually ends up worth buying.

Re:Well now... (2, Insightful)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | about 8 years ago | (#15680650)

Screw those idiots. At least +1 insightful.

I try to always do these little comparisons whenever I buy something. $1200 for a computer seemed like alot, and I could get the following for the same price: 120 DVDs
PS3, Xbox360, and Wii
About a month's worth of my ebay budget

Still, doing the calculations and realizing I still wanted the PC made me feel that much better about spending the money. At the very least, I don't have to always wonder if I could've spent it better.

How is it shocking? Plus you have the price wrong (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 8 years ago | (#15680703)

The Base PS3 is $500, not $600. It's pretty easy to tell where your head is at, you have a bad case of Hopeless Fanboyism.

It's pretty obvious what you can vbuy with other systems for $500 plus games on the PS3. Yet many people, includig myself, will do so. I'll probably ALSO get a Wii. Doesn't that just blow your mind? How could someone get a PS3 and anything else? After all they must be a mindless Sony slave!

I don't have a 360 only because they have no games that appeal to me at the moment, but all it will take is ONE game like ICO on the PS3 and that will be money well spent. Given the japanese support it will enjoy it's a pretty good duess I'll get some things of that calibur.

In short, if you simply use reason you can see there are many reasons to buy a PS3 even though that money COULD be used to buy other systems.

Re:How is it shocking? Plus you have the price wro (1)

justchris (802302) | about 8 years ago | (#15681967)

100 million people could have bought a ps2 and an xbox. But 100 million people didn't. At the absolute maximum, 20 million people bought both an xbox and a ps2, but it may have only been as many as 5 million.

So yes, you can buy a ps3 and a wii, or a ps3 and a 360. Personally, I'm fairly certain that within 3 years, I'll own all 3. However, most people aren't like you, and it's the majority, not the minority you fall into, that determines which console is most successful. And the most successful console gets the most games. So while articles like this may not influence your decision, it's clearly telling on what the majority will be looking at when they make their buying decisions this holiday season. And if the majority thinks the ps3 is not worth the price, you may find in a year or two that that ps3 you paid a premium for isn't all that much fun anymore.

Re:How is it shocking? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 8 years ago | (#15682262)

The Base PS3 is $500, not $600. It's pretty easy to tell where your head is at, you have a bad case of Hopeless Fanboyism.


It's not easy to tell, all preorder ads I've seen only say 599€

Re:Well now... (1)

fujiman (912957) | about 8 years ago | (#15680580)

I agree and disagree with you on this. If we were all interested in "Stuff that matters", we wouldn't read the "Games" section :)

Also, the mood towards Sony is everywhere on the internet. Not saying it's good or bad, just that it is. Eventually, there will be a pro-Sony "backlash". When the PS3 comes out, there will be good games, and people will say "hmmm. It's here now, and it doesn't suck! Hooray Sony!".

Of course that's a best-case scenario...

Re:Well now... (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 8 years ago | (#15682270)

Back when we had Simoniker in charge of the games section the stories were actually good and mostly mattered. Dupes were few. After Zonk took over it was a steep decline. People did complain about Simoniker but it wasn't nearly as bad as it's now. I wish they'd add a qualified editor for the games section so I can block Zonk without making this section completely empty (since a few stories still include actual news).

Re:Well now... (1)

kesuki (321456) | about 8 years ago | (#15680704)

don't blame zonk, we all know he hits the bottle one too many times and then hits submit :)

just another article brought to you by another night hitting the bottle :)

Re:Well now... (2, Interesting)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | about 8 years ago | (#15680961)

Just to test it out I did 3 searches on google news. One for PS3, one for wii, and one for xbox 360. Now it may change by the time the next person tries this but right now for the PS3 search I'm getting:

Other Game Bundles For the Cost of the PS3
No surprise if Nintendo Wii beats Sony PS3 to shelves
Minter: Sony's PS3 Strategy Arrogant

Then for the wii I'm getting:

Wii On Sale Earlier Than October?
No surprise if Nintendo Wii beats Sony PS3 to shelves
Cubed Report | Hands-On at the Nintendo Wii Press Event

and for xbox 360 I get:

Game developer IGS may tap Xbox 360 market
Xbox 360 vs. PlayStation 3 vs. Wii
Xbox 360 and Wii orders ramping up, say chip makers

The ps3 articles just seem more negative overall than the others. This is something I've noticed for quite some time now, actually. I do these searches on a regular basis to keep up on the latest and the trend has been negative for PS3. Granted, it's possible that it just so happens that google news searches sites that tend to be anti-sony but I doubt it. Do a search on some other sites and see if the trend is still there.

Re:Well now... (4, Insightful)

Babbster (107076) | about 8 years ago | (#15681067)

It's just the way things are being talked about all over. The idea that Zonk/Slashdot has some inherent anti-Sony bias may be true, but the Zonk-haters out there would be hard-pressed to find new articles out there talking about how great the PS3 will be and how Sony is giving gamers a great gift with its released.

What folks don't seem to understand is that Slashdot isn't a news generator. It's a news linker. It would be exactly like getting upset at Google because a search generates negative press about the PS3. If anyone is to blame, it's Sony and the writers of the linked articles. But, then again, maybe the people here at Slashdot subscribe to the "If you don't have anything nice to say..." philosophy...you know, until they get a chance to bash something they dislike.

Personally, I hope that the PS3 turns out to be a kick-ass game console that, after a year or so, I'm ready and willing to buy. Until that happens, though, it seems too expensive for its intended purpose, and I'll be purchasing other game systems in the meantime.

Re:Well now... (1)

Kuciwalker (891651) | about 8 years ago | (#15681174)

The problem is, reality has a well-known anti-Sony bias.

More than just a games console? (2, Insightful)

Clazzy (958719) | about 8 years ago | (#15680441)

I know people are ranting and raving about the fact the PS3 is so expensive, but isn't Sony also trying to advertise the fact it is a media centre as well as just a console? I suppose if you remember that Sony are trying this angle too, the price seems more reasonable.

Then again, the Xbox and Xbox 360 are both capable of playing DVDs and CDs just fine and they never had such a steep price tag...

Re:More than just a games console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680484)

I think that if you want a new cutting edge console and you want a Blu-Ray player for your HDTV then the PS2 is quite reasonably priced. The question, of course, is how many people fit those two criteria.

Re:More than just a games console? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680489)

All that means is you get a half-assed console and a half-assed media center.

Re:More than just a games console? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680601)

I bet the other people who post AC are also in the game industry... but really, WHO WAS ASKING FOR A MEDIA PLAYER INSTEAD OF A NEW GAMES CONSOLE? And also, Microsoft managed to cram in a media player for $200 less. Blu-Ray? Who gives a shit. With $600 missing from my entertainment budget, I'm not going to be buying a lot of movies anyway.

Re:More than just a games console? (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | about 8 years ago | (#15680670)

A media sentry? Does it transform into a mecha-soldier and forcibly defend my video games and DVDs from burglars?

YOU HAVE 20 SECONDS TO COMPLY...

Re:More than just a games console? (2, Insightful)

Fishead (658061) | about 8 years ago | (#15680729)

Almost right.

Think DRM.

Consider the "media sentry" as hardware version of their rootkit!

Re:More than just a games console? (3, Insightful)

jrieth50 (846378) | about 8 years ago | (#15680857)

Why is it constantly necessary to remind Americans that people who might not live in the same country or speak/type in the same English form as you also post here on Slashdot. Centre = center. It's still English, get a clue you ethnocentric prick.

Sorry, I've been silent after seeing this happen like 3 times today in different threads. Couldn't hold it any longer and I'm fresh out of mod points.

Re:More than just a games console? (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | about 8 years ago | (#15681152)

Because obviously, every other spelling of American words is goofier and sillier than the original.

Re:More than just a games console? (1)

pthor1231 (885423) | about 8 years ago | (#15681154)

I'm American, and I agree with you. Centre isn't even close to being sentry or any horrible permutation of it.

Re:More than just a games console? (1, Interesting)

ZakuSage (874456) | about 8 years ago | (#15681118)

When you consider that the price of a standalone Blu-Ray player is $1000, PS3's $600 ($500 if you get the cheaper one that doesn't lose much) price tag doesn't seem so hefty.

Re:More than just a games console? (4, Insightful)

EGSonikku (519478) | about 8 years ago | (#15681618)

"This Sony product is cheap compared to this other Sony product!" is not a very valid point when Sony controls the pricing on both.

I rather imagine this is how it happened at Sony HQ (in the land of Mordor, on the slopes of Mount Doom...)


[SONY EXEC A] We may have a difficult time selling the PS3 at $600 ...


[SONY EXEC B] Hey! Iv'e got an idea! Lets just charge $1000 for our Blu-Ray player that no one will buy! By *comparison* the PS3 seems incredibly cheap!


[SONY EXEC A] Great idea! In fact, we don't even *need* to make the standalone player! We just announce it and a price and keep delaying it untill after the PS3 is out! It's whole point in life will just be to sit there and look expensive next to the PS3!


[SONY EXEC B] BRILLIANT! Lets go make some hats out of money and torture some kittens.

Re:More than just a games console? (1)

calbanese (169547) | about 8 years ago | (#15681649)

Unless, of course, you have no interest in Blu-Ray. Then you are paying $600/$500 for a console that could have cost $250(?) without the feature that you don't want. Plus, getting the Blu-Ray player means buying new movies for it, otherwise its a waste, and getting an HDTV to experience the full effect of Blu-Ray, otherwise its a waste. That is unless you aren't going to use it at all in which case I just threw ~$250 out the window.

Make Blu-Ray an optional add-on (I believe I read that no games will be using Blu-Ray), sell the PS3 for $300, and make everyone happy. Or go with the $600 price tag and make me buy something I don't want, can't use without spending more money, and won't be impressive unless I spend even more. Either way.

Re:More than just a games console? (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | about 8 years ago | (#15681855)

The Blu-Ray drive means more for the PS3 then just HD movies. It means developers have a lot more space to make their games in, rather then having to confine them to 8.5GB, or have to fragment the game into two parts. While games right now might not need >10GB or whatever, in a few years time they most certainly will.

How about the MMO bundle? (1)

Hyram Graff (962405) | about 8 years ago | (#15680494)

By my calculations, if you spend $20 a month on MMO subscriptions then you can spend $600 on two-and-a-half years (30 months) of MMO playing. Granted, $20 a month is a bit more than most subscriptions are today, but we can assume that this will include paying for the game in the first place and the inevetiable inflation.

So which would you pick: one PS3 or two-and-a-half years of playing WOW?

Re:How about the MMO bundle? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680518)

Coming up on Slashdot: "Better deal: PlayStation 3 or 530 cans of Pimpjuice [amazon.com] "?

You're not including the hidden costs (1)

Rachel Lucid (964267) | about 8 years ago | (#15680537)

You assume that the MMO won't have any impact on grades or love/social life. If the user in question has one to begin with, of course.

Re:You're not including the hidden costs (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15682948)

Indeed, with no more love life, you'll be saving money!

Re:How about the MMO bundle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680932)

Um... if WoW is the option... I'll take the PS3, and I don't even want one. Still owning a PS3 would be worlds better than being subjected to any MMO, let alone WoW.

Are you fucking kidding me? (0, Troll)

NineNine (235196) | about 8 years ago | (#15680553)

This is the THIRD FUD article about the Sony PS3 today! THIRD! What I want to know is who is paying for this? Any suggestions? The Slashdot FUDmeisters seem to only slam Sony, but consistently praise the XBox 360 and Nintendo. Are they being paid by MS AND Nintendo for this crap-ola? Could the Slashdot editors really be this stupid without being paid?

I had just posted this same rant in the last anti-PS3 article less than an hour ago. I then proceeded to register at digg. Then I came back out of pure habit, and here it is again!

Am I going crazy, or are the editors here getting geometrically worse over time?

FUD (1)

toiletsalmon (309546) | about 8 years ago | (#15680591)

Yep. You see, it's already started. This is EXACTLY what they were able to do to kill the Dreamcast. The Sony advert machine seems to have that "thing" where they can somehow get enough people to buy into their marketing hype to allow them to sweep their competitors into a corner. Then they come out with a key title or two, and BAM! Down for the count.

Wow, that almost sounds like a Tekken combo or something. Coincidence??? Hmmm...

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680612)

Sony tried to fuck everyone over with their rootkit debacle.

That burns a lot of goodwill.

Oh, and their PS3 will be fucking expensive. That might have something to do with it too.
Stop being a fanboi.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (2, Insightful)

Khuffie (818093) | about 8 years ago | (#15680632)

This exact same sort of FUD about the 360 was going on in the months before it launched. But that has come and gone, and it's more fun to speculate/bash things that haven't come out yet instead of bashing things that have been out for months (old news).

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (1)

MindStalker (22827) | about 8 years ago | (#15680688)

Ok, given that the PS3 MIGHT be worth $600, especially if its a general purpose computer as well. BUT, what about the article is FUD. Its all true, if you don't want to buy a PS3 you can buy a LOT of other stuff with that money.. Including 600lbs of banannas (assuming bulk rate of $1 a lb your milage may vary).

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15681816)

You're joking right!!! Banana's have hit $12/kg in Australia due to the last cyclone season... (so thats 110 lbs, not 600)

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (1)

TheFlamingoKing (603674) | about 8 years ago | (#15680692)

Like there hasn't been 3 anti-Microsoft articles on /. on the same day. Right.

Slashdot editors are just giving their customers what they are wanting. If you haven't realized by now that the majority here is into Wii, impartial to 360 and against PS3 then you are slow.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | about 8 years ago | (#15682299)

No 6 months ago people were complaining that /. hates the XBox because it's from MS.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680717)

No, I was thinking the same thing: That the editors have their noses squarely up M$'s ass. I've submitted 5 (five) good articles about the PS3, neutral ones to boot, talking about the hardware, the games, the graphics, being very careful to pick ones that did not slam/compare themselves to the other systems out there, and each one was rejected faster than you can say "M$ Payola"!

I'll call your bluff... (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 8 years ago | (#15681224)

So, how about you post them here? Seriously, I can't think of a single thing that the Sony has done right with the PS3. I'm doing fairly well coming up with a list of things that Sony's done wrong, but I really can't think of anything positive about the PS3.

So please enlighten us. Give us some good news about the PS3.

Re:I'll call your bluff... (1)

generic-man (33649) | about 8 years ago | (#15681363)

Cheapest Blu-Ray player + PS2 game player combination available, unless another Blu-Ray player is available for $470 by November (which is probable)

Built-in wi-fi, versus $100 for Xbox 360 (The Wii also has wi-fi)

60 GB HD, larger than the HD in any other unmodified game console

There, that's three positive things about the PS3. The last two are pretty minor, but the first one could be good if HDTV owners want a fairly-priced 1080i(p?) movie player.

Re:I'll call your bluff... (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | about 8 years ago | (#15681416)

They're also all old news, stuff known back around E3.

Cheapest Blu-Ray player + PS2 game player combination available, unless another Blu-Ray player is available for $470 by November (which is probable)

Except that the version that supports high-def Blu-Ray playback (which is kinda the point, I'd think) costs $600. The $500 version only supports downscaled Blu-Ray playback since it's missing the HDMI interface. (Yeah, I know, "certain Blu-Ray movies" won't suffer from that restriction, but I'd rather not have to worry about that.)

Not to mention that the vast majority of people don't have HDTVs yet, making a Blu-Ray player totally worthless.

Built-in wi-fi, versus $100 for Xbox 360 (The Wii also has wi-fi)

I'm seriously "meh" about this. My "broadband router" (really just a NAT box) is currently sitting on top of my PS2. I'd much rather just plug in an Ethernet cable. Wi-Fi on the DS makes sense; wi-fi on consoles that have to be wired into a home entertainment system makes somewhat less sense, although it's hardly useless as I'd guess most people don't have easy access to their home network from their home entertainment system.

60 GB HD, larger than the HD in any other unmodified game console

In the $600 version. The $500 only has 20GB. (I was unaware anyone was still making 20GB 2.5 inch hard drives - my iPod has more disk space than that!)

Re:I'll call your bluff... (1)

generic-man (33649) | about 8 years ago | (#15681508)

$470 = $600 (cost of PS3 with HDMI output) minus $130 (cost of PS2). Note that my original post referred to "Blu-Ray player + PS2 game player combination available," if all the negative publicity about derivative game design ("RIIIIIDGE RACER!") is to be believed. The $500 PS3 serves the same purpose as the $300 Xbox 360: satisfying only the PR need to say "starting at $x99" about a product.

The "vast majority of people" don't own HDTVs. This is true today, but those who do own HDTVs are much more likely to be able to have $600 to spend on a game console. Furthermore, over the lifecycle of the PlayStation 3, it is extremely likely that HDTV prices will fall to the point where an HDTV is well within the purchasing power of more households.

Re:I'll call your bluff... (1)

WedgeTalon (823522) | about 8 years ago | (#15682652)

over the lifecycle of the PlayStation 3, it is extremely likely that HDTV prices will fall to the point where an HDTV is well within the purchasing power of more households

And that's why all of this HD hubbub is pointless until the NEXT next generation consoles.

Re:I'll call your bluff... (1)

justchris (802302) | about 8 years ago | (#15682005)

First off, I think he wanted you to post the articles praising the ps3. I would like to see those as well, all 5 of them. If there is good press about the ps3, and you want people to know about it, you can link to it yourself in your comments.

I'm going to stop there. Your arguments are all valid, but essentially meaningless to me, as I already have a ps2 and a pc.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15681268)

I) Overall, news about the PS3 has been mostly negative so expect more negative articles than positive articles to be on /.
II) Negative articles about the 360 appeared before it launched
III) The same editors that are posting negative articles about the PS3 did (2)
IV) "That the editors have their noses squarely up M$'s ass." Interesting theory. See above
V) It's hard to believe your reasoning about your 5 articles being rejected because...
---1) You did not post links to article
------A) How do we know they are "good"?
------B) Maybe something like them have already been posted at some point
------C) Does it fit "News for nerds. Stuff that matters"?
---2) You did not post your description/summary/commentary that the editors would have posted
------A) Was it rejected for awful writing?
------B) Was it boring?
VI) Just because you submitted some articles does not mean that editors have to post one

/I dunno why I wasted my time as you won't read this anyway
//If you do see this, don't bother posting links/whatever. I won't see it. You should have done so in the first place.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15681843)

How do you know it's not Nintendo's ass their noses are up? Why blame MS right off the bat?

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680745)

In reality, a large portion of the anti-Sony articles is representative of the bulk of the news and commentary that is on the internet lately; the positive news/commentary about the Wii is also representative of what is available.

The way it works is this, Sony has been burning a lot of bridges lately; they seem to be gouging their most dedicated and well informed fans (their early adopters) with the price of the PS3, they have then demonstrated massive hubris and arrogance with their statements following their E3 presentation, and have yet to show any (game related) content that justifies the cost. Add to this the general damage the Sony brand has taken for releasing high priced electronic crap lately, the Root Kit fiasco, Sony's love for DRM and a generally poor performance of the PSP and you have a company which would have problem buying good press.

Nobody's "paying", exactly (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680816)

However, Zonk sure does seem to be getting a lot of free "review copies" of XBox 360 games.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (4, Insightful)

Black Pete (222858) | about 8 years ago | (#15680939)

So submit some pro-PS3 news then.

You have to admit that Sony's been doing a pretty good job of shooting themselves in the foot lately, and the lack of positive news about the PS3 reflect this. It's not as if there's a mass media conspiracy to muzzle pro-PS3 news; it's just that the PS3 really is doing that badly.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (1)

KuRa_Scvls (932317) | about 8 years ago | (#15681070)

I disagree. I think it's more of a "immaturity" by the masses for never acknowledging PS3 as something more than a game console.
I mean, for god's sake, it has standard blu-ray, HDD, bluetooth, and Linux... it shouldn't be "just" a gaming console.

grow up people...

We don't WANT something more than a console.. (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15681545)

If I want to spend $600 on something that's more than a console I'll just upgrade my PC thank you very much.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15683261)

> blu-ray,
I don't give a crap about blu-ray

> HDD,
ooow a hard drive. Like I don't have harddrive space on my keychain.

If you meant High Definition I don't care either. The 6 TV's in my house don't support it and I won't be in the market for a new TV any time in the next few years.

> bluetooth,
Really, who cares? I don't have a cell phone or any other device which uses it so why should I care. It's used in the systems controller to work. Fabulious, why should I care?

> and Linux
Have you ever actually tried to use linux to do anything? Seriously, what are you going to do with it hooked up to your TV? Do you think they'll allow you to hook up mythtv to it so that you can record TV shows? I don't think so. Did you know anyone that used the PS2 version of linux? I didn't and I know a boat load of people with the system.

All they have left are the games that people would be interested in and that list is what? Final Fantasy and what else? I guess theres ridge racer and that game based on Japanese history with giant crabs. Oh and if I pay the extra $100 for the eye toy I can then go out and buy cards to play pokemon rippoff #35 on the PS3. No thanks.

I was going to get a PS3 before E3 too. I was pissed off at Nintendo's lack of games for the cube and wanted to switch.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (1)

Reapman (740286) | about 8 years ago | (#15681115)

Ya but this aint news... hell, doesnt anyone realize that buying either the Wii, 360, or PS3, IS NOT NEEDED SPENDING? It's ALL a "waste" of money if you want to get technical. So why not articles about what you can spend instead of buying a computer, 360, Wii, DS, PS2, hell dreamcast. This is just "omgz Sony is teh sux" not news.

You brain washed fucktard. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15681579)

"it's just that the PS3 really is doing that badly."

The PS3 doesn't exist dicknuts. Its not doing anything. All we know about it is that its going to be more powerful than its competition. Zonk posting his anti sony bullshit all day every day is not because sony is doing anything, its because Zonk is a shitmonkey.

Re:You brain washed fucktard. (1)

geminidomino (614729) | about 8 years ago | (#15681732)


All we know about it is that its going to be more powerful than its competition.


No, we also know:

1) The PS3 tardbox will cost 25% more than the full 360, and at least 100% more than the Wii.
2) The PS3 will be DRMed to hell and back.
3) The PS3 is made by Sony, the same people who brought us the 1001 model PSX and the PS2. (Read: crappy hardware until at least the third hardware revision).

Go back into your hole, little fanboi.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (4, Funny)

talksinmaths (199235) | about 8 years ago | (#15681006)

Am I going crazy, or are the editors here getting geometrically worse over time?

No, the editors are only getting linearly worse over time. However, the general quality of the posts (and for that matter, the moderation) is getting exponentially worse, so maybe that's where the confusion comes from. :-)

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (1)

Anthony Boyd (242971) | about 8 years ago | (#15681058)

The Slashdot FUDmeisters seem to only slam Sony, but consistently praise the XBox 360 and Nintendo.

Maybe because Sony deserves it? Objectivity doesn't mean you lie and say a pile of crap is good. If it's bad, it's OK to say it's bad. If competitors are outmaneuvering Sony, that doesn't obligate us to coddle Sony.

I will give you one concession. I predict that Sony will indeed sell out of consoles in 2006. They've said something like 2 or 3 million will be shipped, and I suspect that there are exactly that many fanboys who absolutely must have a PS3 for Christmas, regardless of price. That will cause some here to rethink their assumptions that Sony is down for the count.

Not me though. I'm buying a Wii and I'm not looking back.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15681181)

Disagree. This really isn't a FUD spreading article. Fear, uncertainty, and doubt do not fit the article at all. Me thinks you (and several others since the tagging beta lists FUD) don't know what FUD means. Just because an article might show something in a negative light does not mean that it is a "FUD article."

With that being said, I would agree with you that this article shouldn't be on /.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (3, Informative)

Cutriss (262920) | about 8 years ago | (#15681241)

Or maybe it's just that you're a PS3 fanboy? I mean, you've made no secret of it.

Moderators should feel free to check NineNine's posting history to see where he's said that he thinks the PS3 is the best console by far and that the Wii is still "kiddy" and the 360 has no compelling content etc etc etc.

This particular post [slashdot.org] comes to mind.

Re:Are you fucking kidding me? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15681602)

Do a search for "PS3" on digg and you will see hundreds of negative articles that made the front page this year. The PS3 gets negative press for a good reason: it's overpriced and Sony sucks.

Considering... (2, Funny)

hurfy (735314) | about 8 years ago | (#15680563)

$250 for (orig) Xbox and racing games to race online since PC online racing SUCKS
  $50 for live
$100 for something i forgot for Xbox
$200 BEER to make it look like a 360/PS3 ;)

Mandatory: Bash Bash Bash Sony Sony Sony

No Current-Gen bundle? (5, Insightful)

Swordsmanus (921213) | about 8 years ago | (#15680681)

I'm suprised he didn't include a PS2 or other "current"-gen home console bundle to take off the edge from the bias in the article.

Example:

The "I love Sony Anyway" Bundle: ~$586
Prices are from BestBuy.com unless otherwise noted.

PS2 ($130)

Extra controller ($25)

Guitar Hero ($70)

God of War ($20)

Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence ($30)

GTA: Vice City and San Andreas ($40)

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 4 ($15)

Resident Evil 4 ($40)

NFL 2006 (even though arguably earlier versions are better and cheaper) ($30)

Shadow of the Collossus ($40)

Final Fantasy X ($20)

Burnout 3: Takedown ($20)

Virtua Fighter 4 ($4 used from Gamestop.com)

Devil May Cry ($10 used from Gamestop.com)

World Soccer Winning Eleven 6 Int'l ($20 used from Gamestop.com)

Gran Turismo 4 ($20)

NHL 2002 ($2 used from Gamestop.com)

Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance ($25 used from Gamestop.com)

Soul Calibur 2 ($15)

Shipping if buying from gamestop.com ($10+)

So you can get a collection of outstanding games across all genres instead of a PS3. Of course, if you're already a PS2 owner and own most if not all the games above (and more), then well this won't apply.
And don't get me wrong, I don't particuarly love Sony. I actually own mostly Nintendo systems. But I'm suprised there were no current-gen bundles at all. I guess that takes too much effort for a professional web journalist!

Re:No Current-Gen bundle? (1)

bradkittenbrink (608877) | about 8 years ago | (#15681229)

The reaon for the lack of "current"-gen bundles can be inferred from the disclaimer at the bottom:
And, yes, those are affiliate links. Bandwidth doesn't pay for itself, so if you don't like it don't click on them.
Each of the featured items earned its spot in his bundles with cold, hard cash.

Re:No Current-Gen bundle? (1)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | about 8 years ago | (#15681518)

So someone's paying to advertise PSP but not PS2?

Re:No Current-Gen bundle? (1)

StillAnonymous (595680) | about 8 years ago | (#15681863)

Damn straight. I just bought a used Xbox the other day, along with 16 *good* games and an extra controller for less than $350 CDN. Hell, the Xbox and PS2 is where it's at right now. You can get plenty of fine games for under $10 each.

Stay one step behind the current gen, and you'll save a ton of money. You just have to ignore all the hype about the latest games.

Discover! (5, Funny)

darkhitman (939662) | about 8 years ago | (#15680695)

Buying an XBox 360: $400
Buying a Wii: $250

Watching Sony's entire marketing department get sacked: Priceless.

Purposefully wrong comparison (0)

DumbSwede (521261) | about 8 years ago | (#15680797)

They only compare to the High End PS3 price with its support of HDMI.
Neither of the other boxen have HDMI, so the only fair comparison would be to the $100 cheaper non-HDMI version. The more expensive PS3 also has a larger hard-drive, but even the low end one has a 20gig harddrive.

PS3 will likely be Linux compatible straight out of the box without modding. How could Slashdotters not go ape for this console?

Two less capable machines do not add up to the same value as one more powerful machine if it does what you want. The HD-DVD player was the most ludicrous example of all to throw in the article. They even envoked the Betamax comparison (when in my opinion HD-DVD will likely be the really Betamax redux). The whole thing smacked of trying to stop Sony momentum from building. This is not a pure news article, but mostly a paid for stealth ad. The thing I don't get is why Slashdot would post it as legitimate news.

Ever since the Sony root-kit episode, Slashdot seems to be gunning for Sony. I'm not happy about the root-kit stuff either, but get over it already, they're not still doing it.

A great many Slashdotters brag about their overclocked custom gaming rigs costing thousands of dollars. Too expensive for some, sure, but every consumer good is too expensive for someone. One sure way to keep the Sony price high is to keep initial sales low so the price comes down less slowly. No doubt that is the real indirect aim of this article.

I myself am looking forward to a $500 dollar blue ray player that plays games and hooks up to my 1080p NEC 1350.

Re:Purposefully wrong comparison (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15680875)

I'm sure everyone else with a 1080p set is also looking forward to the PS3. All four of them.

Re:Purposefully wrong comparison (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | about 8 years ago | (#15681011)

EVERYONE who bashes the PS3 on price does this. It's like they don't even want to admit that there is a $499 machine. The funny thing is that, for 95% of people, the cheaper box is all they'll need.

The high price could be a marketing stunt anyway. I can think of two possibilities:

1) In the eyes of many who don't know how to interpret specs, a higher price makes the console seem "better".
2) Console launches are slammed with people reselling consoles for insane prices. Sony wants a cut of this initial rush, and adds some of that margin to their own pockets. Then, once the initial rush dies down, BAM! $100 price drop! Sales surge again.

Interesting... (3, Interesting)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | about 8 years ago | (#15681273)

You've just given me an idea of my criteria for buying a PS3:

  • Price drops significantly, on both the PS3 and the games. I should be able to get a high-end PS3, a game, and a blu-ray movie for under $400.
  • Sony backs down significantly on DRM. I'm not talking "Oops, sorry about the rootkit," I'm talking something huge, like making a blu-ray player for Linux, or releasing the keys needed to decode blu-ray content. Or I'm talking about some high-level people, like Ken Kutaragi, saying "Oops, we fucked up, time to completely redesign Sony". Remember when Novell bought Ximian, and Ximian culture spread through Novell? Maybe if Sony bought Novell...
  • Linux on the PS3 must be at least usable (Gnome/KDE, Firefox...) and ideally it should kick ass. I want real homebrew games on the thing. It doesn't have to be all open-source, but at the very least, a good OpenGL. Or, much better, open it up to the point where even if PS3 Linux isn't a dev kit yet, it should be possible to develop an OSS devkit on top of it.
  • Everything must be upgradable. And not just from sony. I should be able to buy an off the shelf IDE/SATA or USB drive and use it instead of the onboard one. 60 gigs is going to start looking pretty small, pretty fast -- if my brother can fill 15 gigs with UT2003 mods 3 years ago, I can fill 60 gigs with high-def mods today.
  • It must be possible to run games off the hard disk. Not just downloadable games, not just "supported" games, but any damn game I buy at the store. The way to do this is easy, if they've been doing anything like it from the beginning -- force games to run on Linux, then all you have to do is change the game startup script.
  • It must hook up to ordinary, existing monitors via DVI and VGA, and it must play high-def content if the monitor can handle it -- no HDMI crap, full resolution, no matter what the hell I hook it up to. I'm not a pirate, I have a great monitor, but it doesn't have HDMI.
  • Don't just rip off the Wii controller (badly), don't just whine about how you're not really ripping it off, but actually go to Nintendo, say "We're sorry, could we please, please, pretty-please license your controller?"

In short, if they want to market it as a Linux computer, then it had better be a Linux computer.

And even if they give me all that, I'm still going to wait a bit to either see some amazing Qemu speed, or to see enough good, cheap games for the PS3 to make me want to get it instead of upgrades for my desktop. After all, for $500, you can still get quite a lot of computer, especially as an upgrade.

And of course, remember, Halo 3 and Zelda are pretty compelling reasons not to buy a PS3, even if you are a hardcore console gamer.

Re:Purposefully wrong comparison (1, Redundant)

sesshomaru (173381) | about 8 years ago | (#15681021)

Well, aside from the rootkit, Sony are paid in full members of the MPAA/RIAA and thus are the people who are partly responsible for every DRM debacle we've had to deal with for the past few decades. Including getting the DMCA passed into law, the broadcast flag, the DeCSS fiasco, the most DRMed-up of the two High Definition Disk formats.

The whole point of Blueray is that DVD is no longer a credibly DRMed format. DVDs are now, to the most remotely savvy of users, the video equivalent of (non-rootkitted) CDs. It's not about High Def, that's just the bait, the hook is the DRM.

Even the hated Microsoft are just starting to wade into the DRM pool, Sony have been happily dog-paddling in the deep end since their one brief shining moment in the Betamax case.

Sony are not free software idealists. The version of Linux that they allow to exist on their console will be deliberately crippled and not have access to its higher brain functions so they can continue to make money selling licenses and expensive developer kits to favored studios. What kind of free software OS deliberately blocks software from working if it isn't licensed? No kind, it's the sound of one hand clapping.

Linux with DRM, what's the point? What's Free Software about that? We'd all be better off switching to OS X if that's what we want. Heck, the Mac Mini is comparable in price. Seriously, I'll never get this. (Yes, I know that what you really mean is that "It runs Linux and presumably will play the best games too," the best games is the only meaningful part of that argument. A big "so what" that they are leveraging the most mature Free Operating system so they don't have to pay their hated competitors Microsoft and Apple for their OSs. They've taken Linux and made it less Free than Windows Vista. Interesting in the way that Sauron turning noble and beautiful elves into hideous and corrupt orcs was interesting, but horrifying to anyone who actually cares about software freedom.)

Also, any trend you don't like about gaming? Blame Sony, they've been the trend-setters. They've been just as much content gatekeepers as Nintendo was when they were in charge, they just block different things.

Seriously, Sony fandom does not make sense to me, unless its based on the supposition that they are going to win. They have no taste and they take every opportunity they can to screw us "consumers" as roughly as they can without even the courtesy of lubing us up first. I can understand "backing the winners" as the excuse for loving Sony, or maybe if you really love their first party games (I can't think of any super well loved Sony first party games, myself, but I assume there are some). In other words, pragmatism, the same reason I'll always be a Microsoft gamer (not an XBOX gamer in my particular case, a Windows gamer) because if I want to play the best computer games I have to deal with Microsoft's jackassery. For consoles, its been the same, if you are serious you buy a PS2 first and then maybe one of the other systems. (Note my hatred of Sony prevented me from doing this, even though I would've had to advise any person who wanted to play video games to do it if I were being honest.) They were close to getting a monopoly last generation, they were certainly the undisputed market leaders.

But this love of Sony, because they are so cool or something? I don't get it.

Re:Purposefully wrong comparison (1)

darilon (752912) | about 8 years ago | (#15681240)

I am jealous, sir. The NEC 1350 (aka XG135) is a masterful piece of technology. Did it come with component inputs or do you have a moome card?

Back on topic, though. How certain are you that all the content you want will be available to your non-hdmi compliant device? Are specs available on the ps3 regarding it's outputs? Another crt projector enthusiast wants to know (cause there's nothing like crt-fp for home theater or gaming!). 1080p on an 8" raster - that has to be difficult to get a non-softened image. Your setup must be extremely good with razor sharp focus.

Re:Purposefully wrong comparison (1)

DumbSwede (521261) | about 8 years ago | (#15681357)

I use a component to VGA adapter; it only cost $45 new and seems to work great. The component out on the PS3 may stop at 1080I though and my current adapter may not have enough bandwidth even if it did. Guess I'll find out.

Most Blu-Ray distributors have pledged not to flip the down-rez bit until 2010, I will no doubt have a stand-alone (sub $100) player by then and an HDMI compatible TV or projector.

I bought the rig over 5 years ago used on Ebay (just over $4K). 2 summers ago I almost gave up on it. NEC dealers will no longer service it (just past its 7 year parts guarantee), but I found someone to sell me a cheap Hi-Voltage card and I was able to revive it (so its been down once for about 3 months). She took a lot of setup and the image is a little soft at 1980 across it you are trying to do word processing, but oddly HDTV material from my cable box looks better than anything I have seen on anything else. I use an 8' wide glass bead screen and a totally blacked out room with black fabric hangings to cut ambient down even further.

It's held its value reasonably well, but the new DLP projectors are probably better and cost about $2K. At least it has lasted long enough for really good HDTV stuff to come along. And I did have bragging rights for the last 5 years. Ever see a first person shooter on an 8-Foot Screen at 2500 pixels across? I have ;-)

Sadly, I don't think it was worth my 4k investment since I've really only had HDTV to feed it for the last two years. HDTV arrived very slowly here in Champaign, Illinois. Pretty good-looking DVDs with line doubling though. Computers make awesome DVD players if you have the right setup. TV upconverting doesn't upconvert from the original discrete cosine transform matrices, and thus the image processing usually isn't anywhere near as good. `

Re:Purposefully wrong comparison (4, Insightful)

Londovir (705740) | about 8 years ago | (#15681646)

I'll grant you that your point about the comparison being flawed is legitimate. But, I'll also say you're missing the point, perhaps. I worked at Toys "R" Us for almost 10 years, first as a department head in RZone (videogames/electronics), then as a store manager. I was there for everything from the very tail end (IE, it's dead, Jim) of SNES/Genesis up to PS2/XBox/GC.

You know what I noticed in all of those years? The bulk of our shoppers fall into what I'd call the "clueless" demographic. They come to buy a system as a gift, or for their home, and they generally are shopping for some kids, somewhere. They looked at 2 things almost every time: the price tag, and the endcap display unit. That's about it. They didn't look at specs, or feature lists, or future expandability.

A typical shopping experience would be as follows: Shopper comes into the area, strolls around, stands watching the endcap displays (and occassionally plays one), then walks over to the display case to get the skinny on the cost. Usually they'll ask a couple of basic questions (how many controllers in the box, what kind of plug-ins do I need, etc). Now, the thing is, most of these were parents (maybe grandparents) and they wanted to get the most for their money. Plain and simple. They know that the kids/teens are looking to rip that sucker open, chuck in a game (not movie), and get pwning on some n00b.

I think maybe 3 times in 10 years did I run into a shopper who truly knew, or wanted to know, all of the particulars about a system. I would be astounded to be discussing polygon counts, resolutions, DVD/CD speeds, etc, with a shopper. Usually it was the same-old, same-old: I have $400, how can I get a machine with the most games. Or, perhaps, they would ask about backwards compatibility (now that's the one place I'll grant the PS3 will probably be more attractive).

So, here's my take. I think the kind of bundles mentioned in the article are going to be the exact sort of mental processes going on in most shoppers, whether you think it's a fair comparison or not. I know shoppers - I was PAID to know shoppers. People like quantity, especially when they're spending that much money. To spend $600 (or $500 even) and just walk home with a box with a machine and 1 controller, but no game, is going to be a serious case of sticker shock for a lot of "regular" shoppers. Especially when people could likely buy an XB360 (which might be $399 by then, never know) and a game, or a Wii and 2 or 3 games. HDMI? Half the "regular" shoppers won't even be able to use that. A large hard drive? That is relatively meaningless to many shoppers - witness the continued popularity of PS2 without one versus an XBox with one. (That was a major training point by Microsoft for us retailers: hype the hard drive and it's possibilities. It'll make sales. Never did.)

And as for BluRay? Why is that relevant to a majority of shoppers? I can tell you that when PS2 came out, DVD playback was never a major selling point at all. It will generally always be the case that a dedicated machine will be more feature enriched and [once a generation has passed] cost far less than a do-it-all machine. I'll grant you that a PS3 will be cheaper than a standalone BluRay for a relative time, but I will also say it's more than likely that given a year, perhaps, a BluRay player will probably drop down to the same (or less) than a PS3, and will also likely end up with more features. It's just common consumer electronics history. We rarely sold PS2s because they could -also- play DVDs - people wanted a videogame machine, plain and simple. (Ask XBox how that whole DVD Playback kit deal ended up...)

The PS3 is trying to do too much, and stuffing BluRay into it is the one thing which will cause it to lose perhaps 30% of the potential sales it could have had. Sony could have gone with HD-DVD, had the advantage of launching AFTER the XB360, and they would have been able to nearly match the XB360 price. PLUS they would have had better backwards compatibility, been able to play any of the movie discs the XB360 could, and thus there would have been little (if any) reason to choose the XB360.

I said it on another board, but I think Nintendo should be paying Sony because Sony is going to help Nintendo more than Nintendo could ever have helped themselves. Based on my experience, it's going to be absolutely a pain to sell a PS3 to a "regular" shopper for $500-$600 when they're sitting on the same shelf as a $250 (or less) Wii. I'm glad I've gotten out of retail, because that's a fight I wouldn't want to have to tackle as a sales manager. It'll be a tough sell to begin with, but tack on the coolness factor of the Wii controller (which I can SOOOO see being a nifty endcap display item that will draw LINES of kids/adults), and what [reasonable] thing would I have had to justify making a parent shell out the $$$ for the PS3? It can play BluRay movies.....oh, wait, there really aren't a lot of those out yet. It's got a big hard drive.....oh, wait, there's not really a lot of uses for that yet. It's got HDMI output.....oh, wait, you just bought your TV at Best Buy last year and it doesn't have that input?

And thus lies the PS3 problem, and exactly why the linked article may be right on target.

Re:Purposefully wrong comparison (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | about 8 years ago | (#15682903)

"They only compare to the High End PS3 price with its support of HDMI."

Because it's the only way to get full functionality. You can't upgrade the $500 later when they start enforcing the constraint token. I'd have thought, based on how you praise how "functional" the PS3 in your post, you'd be inclined to ignore the $500 offering as well.

"PS3 will likely be Linux compatible straight out of the box without modding. How could Slashdotters not go ape for this console?"

Because we've seen Linux on the PS2, and it was Bad. There's is nothing in Sony's history to suggest that they will magically become less restrictive with this new iteration.

"Two less capable machines do not add up to the same value as one more powerful machine if it does what you want."

If. Stand-alone Blu-Ray players aren't exactly flying off the shelves and the player function in the PS3 has the potential to be as useful as being able to play Betamax. Sony is asking the consumer to gamble as much as they themselves are.

"They even envoked the Betamax comparison (when in my opinion HD-DVD will likely be the really Betamax redux)."

The rest of the market doesn't seem to care one way or the other. They could both end up being the Betamax as people continue to buy DVDs.

"The whole thing smacked of trying to stop Sony momentum from building."

Even if it did build without what you pretend is FUD, there's still Newton's First Law of Marketing: You'll need a metric fuckload of momentum to sell a game console for $600.

"I myself am looking forward to a $500 dollar blue ray player that plays games and hooks up to my 1080p NEC 1350."

If you're getting the $500 model, you had best hope Blu-Ray fails. If Blu-Ray hits the mainstream, there will be nothing keeping movie companies from using the constraint token, and you'll end up wishing you'd either bought the $600 HDMI model or that you saved your money and just got the 720p set.

My next expensive console.... (1)

DavonZ (13344) | about 8 years ago | (#15680968)

Honestly, it really is quite a bit of money. I, for one, will probably wait until the bugs are worked out before considering it. If the PS3 can really become a Media Center, then I will gladly pay $600 for it. But I have pretty high standards for what a Media Center needs to be in my house.

See, I have about every electronic toy I have ever wanted. My cell phone is a PPC-6700 PDA phone with unlimited EV-DO (higher speed internet). I own several laptops. I have a PSP which I game with and also a couple of GP2X's. I usually carry around a Sharp Zaurus and since I do the conversions for Dynamism, I have every model released in the past 3 years. I have a GameCube, but it is mostly for my daughter's use. I have multiple Palm and WinCE PDAs and HPCs. I am a typical geek with a pretty tightly integrated household. For me, a true Media Center would need to integrate with not only my TV, but most of my devices on-and-off the road.

I should be able to tap into it with my phone, laptop or any Internet based device to watch movies or TV when on the road or even on the can [think slingbox]. It should be able to record TV for viewing and transfer them to any media device (PDA, Laptop, PSP, etc...). I should be able to plug any media card or svideo device so I can view pictures and movies without needing to worry about interfacing my camera, camcorder, etc... hell, just give me a USB port that will accept a card reader! I should be able to game with great graphics, play older games, chat with other players/people via voice or text and never need to leave the console. It should have the ability to do VOIP with optional video. I should be able to check the weather, or any web page, without getting off the couch. In other words, it should be the center of my home AND all my devices.

Some people may think these requirements are a bit too steep for one console, but they aren't. You can easily build a small form factor computer that will do all this for under $600. It may not have Blue-Ray or the gaming ability of the PS3, but it will be a media center. With Sony buying in high quantities with the vast amount of programmers at their disposal, the PS3 should/may be.

My point?! They have the hardware to do all of these things, but will they program it to? I believe that the PS3 may be what I am looking for, but I am pretty sure that many features will be missing at launch. Sony will use the PS3 to try and pimp some of their proprietary formats, but they will improve it over time. Will it interface with many of the devices in my home? I really don't know the answer, but it will need to in order to be a media center in my house. And it could be! If it is, then I will pay $600 for it... easily!

LD

Is the price really that bad? (1)

Brad1138 (590148) | about 8 years ago | (#15681072)

~$600-$700 for the 60 gig model is a lot for a video game console but how much did you expect the first gen Blue Ray player to cost anyway? The 1st 2 HD-DVD players were $500 & $900+. I'd call that a decent price for a Blue Ray player with an awesome video game console thrown in.

Re:Is the price really that bad? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15681891)

A decent price for a Blue Ray player? That might matter if anyone actually wanted a Blue Ray player. Since their target market wants to play games and doesn't care about the Blue Ray support why on earth would they want to pay extra for it?

Realistic Gamer Dad Package (4, Funny)

Ratbert42 (452340) | about 8 years ago | (#15681199)

Used N64 and 10 games: $50
TV for the kids to play N64 on: $100
Lock for the kid's room: $20
Gamecube: $70
Three decent adult Gamecube games: $100
Beer and chips: $60
Earrings to shut the wife up: $200

Wow I've seen some pointless articles in my time.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15682178)

But that was the most pointless article I've ever seen. And you know what, i wasn't suprised at all with what they said you could get for that money!

Would have liked to see them tell you what current generation stuff you could get, or even retro. I imagine you could probably get a Mega Drive with about 500 games for the price of the PS3!

Ultimate bundle (2, Funny)

cttforsale (803028) | about 8 years ago | (#15682973)

XBox used - ~$100

Apple Mod chip - $15

300 gb hd - ~$85

Evox bios/XBMC/DVD2Xbox/emulators:roms:NES:SNES:MAME:AT ARI...etc - FREE

160 Xbox game Rentals - $400

3 years to play it all till next gen matches above price and hackability....
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