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FBI Foils Attack by Monitoring Chat Rooms

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the congrats dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "A planned terrorist attack on New York City was reportedly foiled by FBI agents who monitored chat rooms frequented by extremists. Lebanese authorities captured an Al Qaeda member who confessed to the plot, and stated that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had pledged financial and other support for the operation. Although the planning for the operation was not far along, according to U.S. officials, they had already been monitoring the plot for a year." From the article: "A government official with knowledge of the investigation said the alleged plot did focus on New York's transport system, but did not target the Holland Tunnel. New York senator Charles Schumer said: 'This is one instance where intelligence was on top of its game and discovered the plot when it was just in the talking phase.' The Holland Tunnel is protected not just by bedrock, but also by concrete and cast-iron steel. One counter-terrorism source told the Daily News it was doubtful a plot to blow it up would be feasible, saying huge amounts of explosives and a detailed knowledge of blast effect would be necessary."

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Where? (5, Funny)

JavaLord (680960) | about 8 years ago | (#15677629)

What chat rooms do they hang out in? #osama or something?

Re:Where? (3, Insightful)

The Hobo (783784) | about 8 years ago | (#15677691)

This may have been a joke, but I've always wondered, all these news stories say "news of 's kidnapping/murder/etc has appeared on an Islamic website", you do wonder, where are these websites? What chat rooms?

Re:Where? (4, Interesting)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 8 years ago | (#15677818)

Actually, I used to have a listing of these sites - I'll look around to see if I still have it (but I stopped checking them out after I realized 9/11/01 attacks happened with a lot of inside help).

But please note that as the elections of 2006 get closer --- we are being bombarded with more and more of these "attempted attacks" - just like that one in Liberty City section of Miami (you know, the one where those street punks didn't even have enough money for busfare to get to North Miami...).

Re:Where? (1, Funny)

DigiShaman (671371) | about 8 years ago | (#15677723)

No, it was #burka-burka

Team America... , FUCK YEAH!
Coming again, to save the mother fucking day yeah!

Re:Where? (1)

mageofchrisz (836089) | about 8 years ago | (#15677735)

It must be on dalnet.

Re:Where? (1)

Skynet (37427) | about 8 years ago | (#15677738)

Not sure, but I can't imagine it would be that hard to code up an IRC bot or AIM bot that alerts you when certain words are mentioned.

Re:Where? (1, Insightful)

prurientknave (820507) | about 8 years ago | (#15677750)

bogus claims so that lazy feds can pretend they're doing work.

Maybe they should check if he had a koran around in his room.

Tactics gained from the war on drugs shouldn't be forgotten =) (ooh look cocaine sprinkles on his clothes!)

Re:Where? (1)

creimer (824291) | about 8 years ago | (#15677765)

You mean it wasn't Slashdot? No wonder there are so many basement terrorists still running around.

Re:Where? (5, Funny)

Tackhead (54550) | about 8 years ago | (#15677944)

> What chat rooms do they hang out in? #osama or something?

*s4dd4m has left the game*
george: PWN3D!
rlijunopeece: o rly george were stil gonna pwn u again
o54m4: ya how?
rlijunopeece: blow up ur tunnel n flood u like n00b orleans
054m4: d00d ur plan sux nycs above sea level
abdul: up urs n00b
*kimjongillin* has joined the game kimjongillin: NUKES! I GOT NUKES!
amacannapronounceit: d00d gimme some plz! benn workin on em 4 so long got so much cash just gimme one plz plz plz?
kimjongillin: ok ok d00d lemme test em 1st
*flowersbyirene* has joined the game
flowersbyirene: d00d i can help u get nukes frm kimmy just paypal me ill set it up
ackbar: IT'S A TRAP!

Re:Where? (1, Flamebait)

eno2001 (527078) | about 8 years ago | (#15678101)

Pure genius. Sad that I haven't had mod points in well over a year now while the Diggers get endless mod points with nothing of quality to mod. ;P

Waste (1)

elzurawka (671029) | about 8 years ago | (#15678017)

I would hope that the real terrorist would be smart enuff to use some sort of private IRC, or something along the lines waste, or some other form of Encrypted Chat. Even gaim with an encryption plug in. But i guess most people dont realize that those yahoo chatrooms arnt very secure. Its scary to think that if even for every 10 fools they catch, 1 is smart enough to stay under the radar...we would never see it comming if they were just smart enough to know how to cover their tracks. I dont think that it would be very hard to get something past the government if you were too seriouse about it.

Re:Where? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15678043)

#durka_durka_jihad

nope, #0 (2, Funny)

bigtrike (904535) | about 8 years ago | (#15678115)

The feds had one hell of time joining it, however

omg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677637)

omg!

Here's the log (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677644)

bridney> so, u wanna suicide b.?
eminemm> lol ok.
sensual_lover> ACCESS! ACCESS!

Re:Here's the log (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677702)

bloodaxe> I put on my robe and Arab hat.

gggggggg (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677645)

foaus gjjgiidfnj poiooponm

Yeah, right. (1)

Ph33r th3 g(O)at (592622) | about 8 years ago | (#15677648)

Look, see? We are using all these new police state powers for something besides drug and intellectual property enforcement. Really!

Re:Yeah, right. (1)

Viper Daimao (911947) | about 8 years ago | (#15678072)

Monitoring chat rooms is a "new police state power"? Does this mean I'm Big Brother when I idle on irc now? Sure Mussolini could make the trains run on time, but I can monitor chatrooms!

Spying on you is good m'kay (4, Insightful)

hackstraw (262471) | about 8 years ago | (#15677651)

So, you want to convince intelligent people like those on slashdot that the FBI stopped people from around the world possibly funded by a dead guy to flood a bunch of businesses up hill by lurking in a chatroom?

Shit, if only they had WMDs and lived in one place, maybe we would just take over the country or something.

FUD.

More evidence of FUD from the article itself:

"There was nothing imminent, but it was being monitored for a long period of time," he said. "This is ongoing, that's why I've said nothing about it until now. It would have been better if this had not been disclosed."

A government official with knowledge of the investigation said the alleged plot did focus on New York's transport system, but did not target the Holland Tunnel.

New York senator Charles Schumer said: "This is one instance where intelligence was on top of its game and discovered the plot when it was just in the talking phase."

The Holland Tunnel is protected not just by bedrock, but also by concrete and cast-iron steel.


Who makes this shit up?

They were NOT going to attack the Holland Tunnel, but BTW, it is protected by bedrock, concrete, and cast-iron steel?

More confidence in their ignorance:

One counter-terrorism source told the Daily News it was doubtful a plot to blow it up would be feasible...

But the guy fessed up over a month ago without even being tortured! Now that is real progress!

I feel safer, don't you?

Re:Spying on you is good m'kay (1)

Compholio (770966) | about 8 years ago | (#15677822)

I feel safer, don't you?

I feel safer knowing that the CIA is doing it's job. Wait a minute here - the FBI has ABSOLUTELY no business monitoring chat rooms on the Internet, that is totally outside of its jurisdiction.

Re:Spying on you is good m'kay (2, Insightful)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 8 years ago | (#15678001)

Wait a minute here - the FBI has ABSOLUTELY no business monitoring chat rooms on the Internet, that is totally outside of its jurisdiction.
They were domestic chat rooms?

Re:Spying on you is good m'kay (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677841)

> I feel safer, don't you?

I'd feel safer if you were in Guantanamo.

Re:Spying on you is good m'kay (1)

Magus2501 (899681) | about 8 years ago | (#15677846)

The New York Daily News reported that the scheme was to blow up the Holland Tunnel...

This article is from The Guardian. It gets its material from another article and doesn't really add anything new. We just know that the source has some flaws.

Wait, it gets better... (3, Insightful)

hotsauce (514237) | about 8 years ago | (#15677920)

Lebanese authorities captured an Al Qaeda member who confessed to the plot, and stated that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had pledged financial and other support for the operation.

When the only source of information is an alleged confession of an unknown person in the custody of a government that uses torture, you should be very skeptical. Countries like Pakistan are famous for trotting out suspects and victories in the "War Against Terror" whenever they are required for public consumption. In most cases, these suspects are not available for independent interrogation, and there is mysteriously no other evidence available.

Forgive me for the tinfoil hat, but after the last great victory in the War Against Terror which we were lead to believe targeted the Sears Tower, but subsequently turned out to be a bunch of crazy homeless people, I've started wearing said hat with pride.

Re:Spying on you is good m'kay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677967)

Odds are you were one of the ones bitching and moaning that the "dots weren't connected" before 9/11.

It must really suck for you and people like you to always be unhappy about something.

Re:Spying on you is good m'kay (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15678121)

It must really suck for you and people like you to always be unhappy about something.

Yea, well, that's what happens when you don't just eat up whatever ridiculous garbage your government feeds you like a good little highstepper.

I'd rather by unhappy and informed than a blissful idiot.

How many months 'till th elections? (1)

khasim (1285) | about 8 years ago | (#15678023)

So this is the second "plot" that has been "foiled" when it was still in the "discussion" phase.

And this "plot" was to hit the Holland Tunnel and, somehow, "flood" land that is ABOVE the water line. That's almost as funny as the last "terrorists" asking "al Queda" for boots and uniforms.

This is nothing more than a drive to crank up the fear among the centrist voters ... just in time for the elections.

Re:Spying on you is good m'kay (2, Insightful)

sgt_doom (655561) | about 8 years ago | (#15678056)

Hold it! Hold it! Hold it!

Next you'll be saying that isn't it peculiar that this Bush fellow went after Iraq for WMDs while some nutbag in North Korea keeps lobbing WMDs at us and Bush keeps ignoring him!!!!!

With that kind of logic, I'll have to start actually thinking again --- and that just makes my poor widdle head hurt.....

Parent is not a troll. (1)

sseaman (931799) | about 8 years ago | (#15678104)

Mod parent up. That is obviously not a troll response.

I don't necessarily agree with all of the statements expressed, but we have every right to be genuinely skeptical of vague media reports on counter-terrorism activity.

There are likely thousands of individuals in Lebanon who routinely talk about what we would call "terrorist" activities, primarily against Israel. To find one that has no connections to an actual terrorist network (he's not even in Hezbollah, which pretty much runs the market in Lebanon) means that he's just a poser with no capabilities of carrying out a military strike within the borders of a superpower. The idea that tax payer dollars were spent to monitor this guy for a YEAR is an embarrassment.

The point of this media report? To tell us that the FBI is good and keeping us safe? Kinda. To tell us that there are important threats out there? Kinda. To chill anyone from even THINKING of talking about terrorism on the internet? Definitely.

Thank god! (3, Insightful)

Healthbolt (987456) | about 8 years ago | (#15677654)

I love this country b/c it allows me to say things like, "This country is retarded" without fear of black helicopters and an SS-type goonsquad picing me up, but lately the three branches have made it so hard (to love them, not to say they're retarded.) I'm glad to have a reason to believe that someone is doing something right in those ivory towers the northeast. I wish we had more stories like this. (Well, not more stories, but more events like this to write stories about. If there were just more stories it would be meaningless.)

Re:Thank god! (1)

Ramble (940291) | about 8 years ago | (#15677686)

Don't be so confident there.

Re:Thank god! (2, Interesting)

pauljlucas (529435) | about 8 years ago | (#15678076)

I love this country b/c it allows me to say things like, "This country is retarded" without fear of black helicopters and an SS-type goonsquad picing [sic] me up ...
Are you sure about that [csmonitor.com] ?

to be expected (2, Interesting)

Magus2501 (899681) | about 8 years ago | (#15677659)

The government's watching. I'm glad they actually did something useful, though. There's been a lot of spying for the sake of privacy violation. It's nice to get results once in a while.

First post?

Laws? (5, Insightful)

Conception (212279) | about 8 years ago | (#15677664)

So, how much warrentless wiretapping and patriot act powers did it take to monitor a chat room?

Hmm...yeah.. that's what I thought.

Re:Laws? (4, Insightful)

CheeseTroll (696413) | about 8 years ago | (#15677781)

Assuming the chatrooms are public, then probably no more than they'd need to pretend reading a newspaper while eavesdropping on conversations in the corner coffee shop.

Re:Laws? (1)

Andrewkov (140579) | about 8 years ago | (#15677919)

I dunno, but if you're trying to have a private chat with 3 friends, and an unknown 5th user, named @fbi, keeps popping in, be careful!

Re:Laws? (1)

TaoPhoenix (980487) | about 8 years ago | (#15677991)

Yea, this is what I see as the legacy of the Bush Years.

"Look! We got a terrorist! Now the other 20 years of suppression are justified!"

---TaoPhoenix

Read all about it (5, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | about 8 years ago | (#15677673)

One counter-terrorism source told the Daily News it was doubtful a plot to blow it up would be feasible, saying huge amounts of explosives and a detailed knowledge of blast effect would be necessary."

Not to worry, the New York Times will be publishing a how-to guide next week complete with tunnel schematics and rates of expansion for various explosives.

Re:Read all about it (2, Insightful)

hamburger lady (218108) | about 8 years ago | (#15677726)

yeah, and it'll all be information previously completely available on public sites on the internet, but right wingers will still claim it's proof that the times is committing treason.

cause y'know, republishing public data is totally treasonous.

Free education (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677854)

Since you seem to be alarmingly confused as to the defintion of "public", here's a lot of detail [powerlineblog.com] around what parts of SWIFT were public.

Yeah it's on a right wing site, but I read Kos too and haven't seen anything this detailed on there.

If it was so public how come Belgian's own government didn't realize it was there?

So unless you can find some information countering facts raised there...

Re:Free education (1, Insightful)

ceejayoz (567949) | about 8 years ago | (#15678006)

If it was so public how come Belgian's own government didn't realize it was there?

Dude, the Belgian government didn't realize Hitler was there, so it's not that hard to imagine.

Re:Read all about it (1)

TubeSteak (669689) | about 8 years ago | (#15678094)

I dissapprove of the "OMFG you hate America!!" trolls

At the same time, you can compile non-secret facts in such a way that the compilation itself can be classified as secret.

The only examples I can think of off the top of my head were back in the day, some guy compiled a bunch of public facts about nucleur weapons and tried to submit a paper about how you'd make one. The gov't did their damnest to classify & suppress it. More recently, that kid who wrote a masters thesis mapping out all the buried fiber in the U.S.

Re:Read all about it, and buy from our advertisers (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | about 8 years ago | (#15677947)

Not to worry, the New York Times will be publishing a how-to guide next week complete with tunnel schematics and rates of expansion for various explosives.

And check out their Classifieds for local suppliers.

Good to see (1)

drpimp (900837) | about 8 years ago | (#15677679)

That the government is not just data mining sites like MySpace and actually monitoring real threats.

How nice. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677706)

Chat rooms were around in 2001. Where was the FBI then? Oh, that's right, they were busy cracking down on kids sharing music.

Where's the overt act? (4, Insightful)

Animats (122034) | about 8 years ago | (#15677708)

This sounds more like some guys mouthing off rather than a real threat. The real players do not discuss their plans in chat rooms. It's like the group from Miami that was "trying to blow up the John Hancock Building". Turns out they're a bunch of small-time crooks and losers who ran into an FBI agent while blithering.

Al-queda used to have some competent people, and they might eventually get their act together for another big act of terrorism, but what we're seeing now are wannabee terrorists.

Re:Where's the overt act? (1)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 8 years ago | (#15677782)

Al-queda used to have some competent people, and they might eventually get their act together for another big act of terrorism, but what we're seeing now are wannabee terrorists.

"Wannabe terrorists" can still kill people...

Re:Where's the overt act? (1)

jandrese (485) | about 8 years ago | (#15678074)

Seems to me that if they actually kill/maim people then they can call themselves real terrorists.

Re:Where's the overt act? (3, Insightful)

Znork (31774) | about 8 years ago | (#15678039)

"This sounds more like some guys mouthing off rather than a real threat."

No shit. If blather in a chatroom qualifies as a threat, what do the US military contigency plans qualify as? Evidence that the US military is poised to invade Canada?

Gather enough information and apply your imagination to it, and you can find evidence of anything anywhere. Cut the words out of a lexicon and have a paranoid lunatic rearrange them and it's not surprising if you get a sinister message. That doesnt mean we'll be served particularly well by employing the asylum as threat assessors.

But hey, nobody ever got fired for foiling an imaginary threat.

Well paint me cynical (2, Insightful)

forgotten_my_nick (802929) | about 8 years ago | (#15677714)

Call me cynical if you must but I am sure we will be getting more of the "Our system works!" in the run up to November.

Especially since the last announcement by the administration which turned out to not be AQ related, had no real plan or ability to carry it out.

Considering they found the guys on IRC its more likely they found a shower of idiots then actual terrorists.

Re:Well paint me cynical (1)

ofcourseyouare (965770) | about 8 years ago | (#15677963)

...and to top it off, 'New York congressman Peter King said... "This is ongoing, that's why I've said nothing about it until now. It would have been better if this had not been disclosed."' Cut to Mr. King weeping with disappointment about all the great press he's been getting.

As they say of the Miami affair, "that plan was described by the deputy FBI director John Pistole as aspirational, rather than operational." Like my plan to marry Pamela Anderson and Keira Knightley...

honestly... (4, Funny)

Wakko Warner (324) | about 8 years ago | (#15677715)

... if terrorists were to blow up all the roads and bridges in New York City, they'd be doing everybody a favor.

Have you ever actually tried driving on them?

In a chat room. Sure... (2, Insightful)

Frosty Piss (770223) | about 8 years ago | (#15677716)

I think this is very dubious. They haven't arrested anyone ("The principal players are not in this country"), and only alluded to three or four people who "may" have Al Qaeda connections... To me it smells like PR to support the supposed "war on terror".

Wow I'm impressed... (1)

theJamAbides (947551) | about 8 years ago | (#15677729)

"New York senator Charles Schumer said: 'This is one instance where intelligence was on top of its game and discovered the plot when it was just in the talking phase.'"

Why didn't he call this an invasion of privacy?


Re:Wow I'm impressed... (1)

Wakko Warner (324) | about 8 years ago | (#15677770)

because it isn't fascism when we do it.

Trust (4, Insightful)

JackL (39506) | about 8 years ago | (#15677732)

Sounds a lot like the situation down in Miami a few weeks ago. The government really hyped a plot by several people to attack the Sears Tower. Turned out that those people had no more ability to blow up a firecracker than the Sears Tower. Now we get a similar story about a plan that (depending on who you listen to) either targeted a transportation target in New York or the Holland Tunnel specifically. I'd like to think that our government is on top of the situation but after the Sears Tower story and all the orange terror alerts before the last election, I don't. And that is bad. You'd like to think that our government has enough integrity to provide accurate information about terror threats to protect the public, but it doesn't.

Re:Trust (1)

saleenS281 (859657) | about 8 years ago | (#15678069)

These are the same people who claim everytime you buy a joint you're supporting Osama. Did you really expect better?

Re:Trust (1)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 8 years ago | (#15678108)

Turned out that those people had no more ability to blow up a firecracker than the Sears Tower.

Seems to be that way with a lot of these captured 'terrorists' - the poster child is Jose Padilla, the one they grabbed getting off a plane at O'Hare a couple of years back and crowed about what a danger he was - dirty nukes, all kinds of terrible carnage he was going to wreck. The guy couldn't even hold down a job at taco bell, but they kept him locked up without access to counsel for years claiming because he was too dangerous to let talk to anyone. What a joke. The only danger Padilla poses is to the reputations of politicos who made such a big deal about arresting him.

Trend of Bush admin secrecy must be stopped! (0, Troll)

NaCh0 (6124) | about 8 years ago | (#15677737)

Well, that wasn't very fair to the lebanese. The New York Times should find out what screen names the FBI uses in these chat rooms and publish it as a page 1 story. It is our right as citizens to know!

Re:Trend of Bush admin secrecy must be stopped! (1)

EnderWigginsXenocide (852478) | about 8 years ago | (#15677899)

T3rr0r15t: [deleted in order to protect national security] lameinnocentguy: Dude, the Holland tunnel sucks. B1GGu|\|G-ma|\|: [deleted in order to protect national security] anotherlameinnocentguy: Yeah, the traffic always is screwed up there. T3rr0r15t: [deleted in order to protect national security] B1GGu|\|G-ma|\|: [deleted in order to protect national security] lameinnocentguy: That's why I always use the trains when I can. T3rr0r15t: [deleted in order to protect national security] B1GGu|\|G-ma|\|: [deleted in order to protect national security] T3rr0r15t: [deleted in order to protect national security] B1GGu|\|G-ma|\|: You are all under a-fucking-rest I pwn your n00b asses.

Re:Trend of Bush admin secrecy must be stopped! (1)

EnderWigginsXenocide (852478) | about 8 years ago | (#15678033)

T3rr0r15t: [deleted in order to protect national security]
lameinnocentguy: Dude, the Holland tunnel sucks.
B1GGu|\|G-ma|\|: [deleted in order to protect national security]
anotherlameinnocentguy: Yeah, the traffic always is screwed up there.
T3rr0r15t: [deleted in order to protect national security]
B1GGu|\|G-ma|\|: [deleted in order to protect national security]
lameinnocentguy: That's why I always use the trains when I can.
T3rr0r15t: [deleted in order to protect national security]
B1GGu|\|G-ma|\|: [deleted in order to protect national security]
T3rr0r15t: [deleted in order to protect national security]
B1GGu|\|G-ma|\|: You are all under a-fucking-rest I pwn your n00b asses.

Blast + Gravity = No more Holland Tunnel (1)

GonzoTech (613147) | about 8 years ago | (#15677764)

From the article: The Holland Tunnel is protected not just by bedrock, but also by concrete and cast-iron steel. One counter-terrorism source told the Daily News it was doubtful a plot to blow it up would be feasible, saying huge amounts of explosives and a detailed knowledge of blast effect would be necessary."

You've got to be kidding me. Timothy McVeigh used enough explosive to destroy a SOLID building in Kansas City. How much wout it take to destroy a tunnel? Remember folks, Gravity would work on the side of the explosives.

Re:Blast + Gravity = No more Holland Tunnel (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677912)

I don't mean to nitpick, but the building he blew up was in Oklahoma City not Kansas City.

Other than that, excellent point you make.

Re:Blast + Gravity = No more Holland Tunnel (1)

GonzoTech (613147) | about 8 years ago | (#15678020)

Doh! Yes, that's what I meant.

Bridges and Tunnels (4, Funny)

Lev13than (581686) | about 8 years ago | (#15677766)

One counter-terrorism source told the Daily News it was doubtful a plot to blow it up would be feasible, saying huge amounts of explosives and a detailed knowledge of blast effect would be necessary.

Maybe the terrorists just need toAsk a Navy SEAL [theonion.com] :

Dear Navy SEAL,
I am a happily married man with a warm and loving wife who is also my best friend. We've been together for 17 years and couldn't be happier. But lately she says she wants separate beds. I'm reeling! We're barely in our 40s, and in my mind separate sleeping is for seniors. Am I making too much of this? Help!
--Anxious In Andersonville

Dear Anxious,
Destroying a bridge might look easy in the movies, but remember: They're designed to withstand the immense shear-forces of wind and weather. Deploying an underwater M-32 satchel charge at the base of each load-bearing pylon looks like the answer, but it might not even shake a modern riveted steel highway or railroad bridge. Without delving into the complex language of the guerrilla combat engineer, the best advice I can give you is to forgo subtlety in favor of brute force: Put two satchel charges at each X-shaped trestle buck, and this should rob the bridge of any reinforcing strength and cause it to buckle nicely.

A part of the actual post.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677778)

Osama69: We totally shoudl take dwon the stupid american infidles.

FBInformer: LOL!! yeah. Alah Ahkbar!

FBInformer: so you said you lived in... Chicago, right?

Odd isn't it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677804)

...that foiling this "plot" didn't involve playing "connect the dots" with the NSA's phone-call database or warrentless wiretaps.

Chat "Rooms"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677824)

Did they find them on AOL?

pwning noobs (1)

Stalyn (662) | about 8 years ago | (#15677839)

I'm glad to see that the US government is good at foiling plots from people who obviously are not professional terrorists. But I'm hoping they do just as good as job when the real deal shows up in town.

Helping extremists? (0, Redundant)

reldruH (956292) | about 8 years ago | (#15677842)

While I appreciate getting articles like this I always wonder what's stopping extremists from reading it as well and knowing what not to do in the future. I'm not a lawyer but aren't there laws against helping people commit illegal acts? Mightn't this article fall under such a heading?

Re:Helping extremists? (1)

BCW2 (168187) | about 8 years ago | (#15677949)

Thats what intelligent people said about the NYT article on following the money trail a couple of weeks ago. Of course the anti-Bush crowd thinks that's the way things should be done, let all the cats out of the bag.

I'm on the other side. There are things that need to be secret because it's the only way to protect our country. Even the anti-Bush crowd should be protected, whether they like it or not.

It's about economic damage... (2, Insightful)

geoff lane (93738) | about 8 years ago | (#15677849)

You don't have to destroy the tunnels - just make them unusable for a few weeks. The economic effects would be massive.

Re:It's about economic damage... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15678050)

1 dozen boxes of roofing nails [AFAIK, they're not on the controlled substances list, yet]... coming right up.

p.s. :

    Dear, underpaid, underappreciated, Spook^H^H^H^H^HAgent - this is ment to be a !@#?% JOKE. Please do not 'dissappear' me, off to some secret prison in the mountains of western Europe for indefinite periods of torture, in a dark cell, just because you don't like my sense of humor.

Chat transcript (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677851)

OsamaBL: we're gonna bomb new york lol
alZaq: OMG no way hehehe
alZaq: when u gonna do that
OsamaBL: like totally next wk
KiLlThEiNfIdElZ: i wanna do it! i wanna do it!
OsamaBL: lol k u can go boom this time
KiLlThEiNfIdElZ: yay! allah akbar!
[OsamaBL has signed off]
[OsamaBL has entered the chatrom]
OsamaBL: soz this cave is crap for wireless
alZaq: lolz u need to get off comcast

In other news.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677861)

Oceania is no longer at war with Eurasia, Oceania is now at war with Eastasia!

Making Sure I Undertsand The Facts. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677868)

Some people in a chat room discuss a "plot" straight out of a bad Sylvester Stallone movie [imdb.com] are arrested and imprisoned? So, it's illegal to talk about bas Sylvester Stallone movies now? In retrospect, this may be a good thing but, I can't believe it is illegal!

No attempt was made. No bombs were built. Nothing physical happened. Some people in a chat room discussed a "plot" and that gets them imprisoned?????

surprised (0, Troll)

140Mandak262Jamuna (970587) | about 8 years ago | (#15677872)

One counter-terrorism source told the Daily News it was doubtful a plot to blow it up would be feasible, saying huge amounts of explosives and a detailed knowledge of blast effect would be necessary.

I am surprised he did not go on to precisely estimate the amount of explosives needed and identify the specific point where the blast would be most effective. Most of these so-called experts cant keep their mouth shut once a media microphone is shoved in front of them.

Blowing up a tunnel is hard work (4, Informative)

Palal (836081) | about 8 years ago | (#15677883)

One year ago a number of explosions rocked the Tube in London. As you know, the tunnels weren't damaged for the most part. All that would happen (God forbid) if anyone tried to blow up a tunnel would be to cripple the traffic in Manhattan (which pretty bad as is) but it would take a lot of explosives to actually destroy a tunnel from within if it's a tube. Another example - Moscow Metro Feb 6, 2004, when an explosion happened in a packed rush-hour train. Also no damage to the tunnel. However, when some idiots were installing a billboard illegally above a metro tunnel (also in Moscow), they successfully managed to penetrate the tunnel using a pile that was being driven, right into a train that happened to be in the tunnel at that exact moment. Thankfully nobody was hurt in this incident. See this [wikipedia.org] Pictures of the pile: here [atento.ru] and here. View topside [rambler.ru] and another pic [rambler.ru]

The difference... (2, Insightful)

hotsauce (514237) | about 8 years ago | (#15678058)

...is that you have to walk a backpack onto a subway train, whereas you can drive a truck into a tunnel. The payload in the latter case can be orders of magnitude larger.

Makes you wonder... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677893)

...what the smart terrorists are up to.

Bullshit (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677897)

*Cough* Yeah right! Terrorists caught hanging out in a chat room plotting to blow up the world?
It's all a bit Team America isn't it? They expect us to believe this bollocks?

Obvious, transparrent propaganda. I'm ashamed to see Slashdot propagating it.

How it went down (2, Funny)

Jah-Wren Ryel (80510) | about 8 years ago | (#15677906)

New York senator Charles Schumer said: 'This is one instance where intelligence was on top of its game and discovered the plot when it was just in the talking phase.'

<Lailaha> Dudez! WTF is that abu-ass-grab torture sh!tz?
<Iqbal> Totally.
<Lailaha> We should do something about it.
<Iqbal> Yeah, like blow something up
<Lailaha> No wayz, that's so 911.
<Iqbal> Ok, get this - we flood the new york subway!
<Lailaha> My uncle's 3rd wife's brother's couzin is zawqari's best bud, he could hook us up!
<Iqbal> Isn't he dead?
<Lailaha> Nah, that's just the cover story. He's hiding out with 20 virgins, practicing for the big day!
<Iqbal> That's sooo cool, I wish I had 20 virgins.
<Lailaha> Yah, me twoz
<Iqbal> Hey, wtf, someone is banging on my door.
<Iqbal> BRB

<Lailaha> ?? u there ??

<Lailaha> I gotz school, culaterz

Web-surfing at Work (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | about 8 years ago | (#15677907)

foiled by FBI agents who monitored chat rooms frequented by extremists.

I'll bet extremists use eBay too. Where else can you buy everything you need for anything you want? So can I tell my boss the next time I'm watching my auction of Fancy Teapot Doilies that I'm actually secretly fighting terrorism?

Paranoia alert (5, Funny)

Medievalist (16032) | about 8 years ago | (#15677915)


Whenever I hear something like this, I immediately think "What are they trying to distract me from now?"

Did Bush's daughters invade Namibia or something?

Obligatory bash quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677917)

http://bash.org/?88575 [bash.org]
[Stormrider] I should bomb something
[Stormrider] ...and it's off the cuff remarks like that that are the reason I don't log chats
[Stormrider] Just in case the FBI ever needs anything on me
[Elzie_Ann] I'm sure they can just get it from someone who DOES log chats.
*** FBI has joined #gamecubecafe
[FBI] We saw it anyway.
*** FBI has quit IRC (Quit: )

What the hell is cast-iron steel? (3, Insightful)

jridley (9305) | about 8 years ago | (#15677932)

Is that like wooden rubber?

Cast iron and steel are two different things. I'm assuming they mean steel. Cast iron is kind of brittle.

And you thought scambaiting was fun - try this! (1)

Weaselmancer (533834) | about 8 years ago | (#15677934)

From the blurb:

Lebanese authorities captured an Al Qaeda member who confessed to the plot, and stated that Abu Musab al-Zarqawi had pledged financial and other support for the operation.

One counter-terrorism source told the Daily News it was doubtful a plot to blow it up would be feasible, saying huge amounts of explosives and a detailed knowledge of blast effect would be necessary.

Ok, so all I have to do is hang out in chatrooms until I find some Al Qaeda guy and tell him some off-the-wall plan for a plot. And they'll fund me!

Old and busted, 419 scam baiting. [419eater.com] New hotness: Al Qaeda scam baiting.

First one to get a picture of some Al Qaeda guy holding up a sign that says "I traded my 72 virgins for a pulled pork sandwich" wins.

Extremists? (1, Interesting)

Distinguished Hero (618385) | about 8 years ago | (#15677951)

"A planned terrorist attack on New York City was reportedly foiled by FBI agents who monitored chat rooms frequented by extremists.

Extremists? Wow. I sure am glad they caught those extremists. Just one quick question: what sort of extremists are we talking about here? Extremist Buddhists? Confucianists? Taoists? Shintoists? Zoroastrians? Hellenic Polytheists? Liberals? Classical Liberals? Neoliberals? Libertarians? Inquiring minds want to know...

P.S. I am always intrigued by the sort of information that is omitted and the sort of nomenclature selected and used to frame issues.

Muslims are the World's enemy (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15677968)

Destroy All Islam!

Democracy and Freedom for All!

US/CAN relations. . . (5, Interesting)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | about 8 years ago | (#15677969)

So let me get this straight, Canada's CT Intel busts like half a dozen terrorists before they do anything bad and America tells us our borders aren't secure enough and that we suck. America's CT intel klines a chat group and are commended for a job well done. Dare I ask, WTF?

The first of many (4, Insightful)

sfjoe (470510) | about 8 years ago | (#15677973)

This only the first of many so-called terrorist plots that will be announced as foiled in the months to come. It's an election year, folks.

Any way to verify such things? (1)

pembo13 (770295) | about 8 years ago | (#15677984)

I am curious as to if there is any way to find out if such things are really true. That is, is there any way to really know that five guys with turbans were just picked up off the street as opposed to five terrorist with actual plans and resolve to realize their fatal aspirations?

I ask because I can see valid benifits for "producing" such news, yet have no way to tell either way.

If only... (1)

WgT2 (591074) | about 8 years ago | (#15677989)

Charles Schumer said: 'This is one instance where intelligence was on top of its game and discovered the plot when it was just in the talking phase.'

If only Schumer rhymed with obvious .

For your convenience... (0)

TCM (130219) | about 8 years ago | (#15678005)

The conversation has been made public here [bash.org] .

I Just Saved America from a Terrist Attack! (1)

eno2001 (527078) | about 8 years ago | (#15678029)

I've been watching these supcious types who go to the internet cafe down the street. They wear funny clothes, smell funny and speak a foreign language. That's about as un-American as you can get. I've been trailing them for a year and over that time I've noticed that they've been working together with others via the internet to stage some kind of attack. Over that time I also deputized some of my online friends in neighboring cities and states to track the other members of the cell as I've gotten clues and hints by watching their chat with binoculars. In some cases I've even seen IP addresses posted in the forums which makes it super easy to pinpoint where the others are. Today I struck. I followed these evildoers as they left the cafe since I heard them make some mention of a group meeting. I figured I'd find other terrists there too. When they got to their destination I saw I was right. There were others of their kind gathered together to discuss their plans. It was a small gethering maybe only ten or twelve of them. But they were no match for my hand to hand combat skills. While the terrists might be able to scare people as a group, individually they can be easily overcome. When I finally pounded the last one's face flat into the floor, I took notice of the strange writing on his shirt. Looks like some kind of foreign insignia or incomprehensible gibberish. It said, "Got root"? Who needs Homeland security when a civilian force of people like me can take these terrists out singlehandedly and easily?

confession or "confession" (2, Insightful)

gnuman99 (746007) | about 8 years ago | (#15678035)

Lebanese authorities captured an Al Qaeda member who confessed to the plot

So was this a true confession or was this a "confession" when the person was being tortured? Now we all know Lebanon would never torture anyone! You can torture anyone to say anything, including confessing that your mother is commie and a fat capitalist in the same sentence and that you are your own grandfather. After all, why spend time trying to prove someone would actually go though with the plot when you can just torture them?

Heck, you can just take random people off the streets and torture them into confessing they are Al Qaeda sleepers.

Idiots (1)

wiredlogic (135348) | about 8 years ago | (#15678081)

What kind of idiots do they have working for them that would compromise future intelligence gathering by revealing their sources and methods. In this case it is unimportant to disclose to the public that they foiled a plot by monitoring chat room traffic.
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