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Opera Seeks Developer Input For Opera 10

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 8 years ago | from the sympathetic-ear dept.

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taskforce writes "Opera Watch is reporting that the folks Opera Software are asking web developers for input on what they think the most important features are which could be added into the next version of the Opera desktop browser. Considering what has been added in Opera 9, what do you think would be most important for the browser from both a developer and a user standpoint?"

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FUCK ANTDUDE (GNAA) (-1, Offtopic)

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Extensions (5, Insightful)

slack_prad (942084) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686384)

API for extensions !

Re:Extensions (2, Insightful)

m50d (797211) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686452)

God no. Say byebye to being the leanest and fastest browser around if that happens. If there are features people want, just add them to the main browser. The only useful thing I've seen done with extensions is as a trick to reduce your apparent bug count - have hardly anything in the main browser, if anyone asks for a feature say grab the extension, then disavow responsibility for any bugs.

I disagree (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686477)

Safari is even leaner and faster than Opera, and it's extensible [pimpmysafari.com] .

Re:Extensions (1)

SillyNickName4me (760022) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686495)

Opera is relatively fast but not the fastest, and lean? well, not in featureset or looks for sure. It has a relatively small memory footprint for what it does of course.

An API for extentions would mean it can be made even leaner since you can effectively strip off functionality that is not used often and put it into an extension for those who need it. Result, even smaller browser.

So, did you hae any real reason for your response?

Re:Extensions (2, Informative)

Marsell (16980) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686646)

Opera is relatively fast but not the fastest

Compared to what? http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/browserSpeed.html [howtocreate.co.uk]

An API for extentions would mean it can be made even leaner since you can effectively strip off functionality that is not used often and put it into an extension for those who need it.

I'm curious what the point of that is though? The English install is 4.6MB, and you'll find this of interest: http://my.opera.com/FataL/blog/show.dml/298429 [opera.com] . If you ignore the multi-language installer, Opera's install size has increased about 500kb over the past five years.

I'd like to point out that such a degree of integration allows a sharing of code that isn't possible with extensions. That's why the size increase has been so tiny despite the significant difference in featuresets between 6.0 and 9.0.

Re:Extensions (1)

CaptSolo (899152) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686459)

A way to extend Opera's user interface the same way as FireFox extensions can.

64bit support (5, Interesting)

Jack Malmostoso (899729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686387)

Probably it's not the answer to the question, but I'd love to see a native 64 bit version of Opera. As for the argument "there's no 64bit flash", screw adobe/macromedia/$proprietary_technology_owner. The web is a nice place also without Flash. Maybe even better!

Re:64bit support (1)

LubosD (909058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686420)

I agree. How many people use Sparc version for Linux? Very little, yet Opera for Linux Sparc exists.
How many people would use an AMD64 version? A lot...

BTW check out NSpluginwrapper - 32bit plugins in 64bit browser.

Re:64bit support (1)

horza (87255) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686489)

Seconded. Lack of a native 64 bit version means that the main feature missing is the ability to run it on any of my machines in the first place.

Phillip.

Re:64bit support (1)

thelost (808451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686599)

I'm not sure how you can say the web is better without flash, to me that is an obviously false statement. Some of the most enterprising art projects I've seen on the web have been flash based. People have got over their first love affair with flash so it isn't being used in the vulgar way it used to be embedded into sites, and now has become an integral canvas for projects like youtube and google video.

Niggling (4, Informative)

rinkjustice (24156) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686396)

Give users more monitor real estate (less toolbar, more web page) and reinvent favorites/bookmarks. Say automatic online backups to Simpy.com [simpy.com] and an easier way of keeping bookmark catagories organized. I've recently gotten into genealogy and the links pile-up in a hurry. I almost want to use a browser exclusively for that research alone.

The Linux support is awesome however. It's the best browser for that platform.

Re:Niggling (5, Insightful)

Rameriez (644702) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686446)

MORE real estate? One of the reasons why I love Opera is its interface is one of the most easily configurable. Not only do you have a lot of control over what toolbars are displayed and where, but exactly which buttons appear on them. The side-panel is much nicer than Firefox's in my opinion, and is another great space saver. What more could you want?

Re:Niggling (1)

tibike77 (611880) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686500)

I'm glad you asked... I always wanted to have a full-screen (F11) version of opera WITH the top/bottom customised toolbars showing... but without the Windows taskbar and without the Opera menu/titlebar. It might be already possible, but I never tried hard enough to find out how... so if it's possible already, tell me how, if not, Opera10 suggestion, here she comes :P

P.S. Right now I'm running Opera 9 in 1600x1200 and SMALL fonts (21" monitor and I sit close enough for roughly FOV90) and the top/bottom "wasted" two lines (title, menu on top, quicklaunch and taskbar bottom) still bother me :P

Re:Niggling (1)

tibike77 (611880) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686543)

Here's a sample of how it looks (1600x1200 res image, reduced to 16 grays, saved as GIF, filesize ~100k):
http://img210.imageshack.us/my.php?image=myfreakin gscreen3ko.gif [imageshack.us]

Re:Niggling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686576)

I'm curious; if screen real estate means that much to you, why do you use a multiline Start Bar? That's one of the everpresent real estate eaters.

Re:Niggling (3, Informative)

RobbieGee (827696) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686628)

I have a few tips for you.

1. Put the status bar next to the address bar.
2. Use search shortcuts instead of the search bar. Typing 'g something' in the address bar will search for 'something' on google, while 'z something' will do the same for Amazon.
3. The progress bar can be toggled to show only when something is loaded, and you can even make it appear inside the address bar.
4. Instead of showing the tabs, you could use the window panel. You need to enable it by customizing the panels.
5. Ctrl-F8 will toggle the address bar, also while in Full-screen.
6. Alt+F11 will toggle the main menu.
7. Ctrl+F7 will toggle the scrollbars.
8. For quicker switching between tabs in fullscreen mode, I recommend holding right mouse button while scrolling. Personally, I prefer to set that list to use the tab-bar order instead of which were last used, you can find that setting in Tools->Preferences->Advanced->Tabs then "Cycle in tab bar order".

These are just things off the top of my head though, so if you *really* wanted to go nuts you could probably get away with a lot more.

Re:Niggling (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686573)

Hit Ctrl-F11 and Opera's menu bar will vanish.

Re:Niggling (1)

asc99c (938635) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686602)

Absolutely agree with this one - I've used previous Operas but am now on Firefox - I generally have it set up to have just one bar at the top which contains everything I generally use. Particularly like the iFox theme for a compact interface, e.g. http://andycunningham.homeip.net/firefox.png [homeip.net]

Re:Niggling (0)

SillyNickName4me (760022) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686509)

MORE real estate? One of the reasons why I love Opera is its interface is one of the most easily configurable. Not only do you have a lot of control over what toolbars are displayed and where,

I once spent an hour or 2 fiddling with this and you can indeed claim back part of the screen real estate, but even then it still usues way too much screen space for things other then the actual webpage.

but exactly which buttons appear on them. The side-panel is much nicer than Firefox's in my opinion, and is another great space saver.

No, you really don't understand. A sidebar by definition takes away screen real estate from the webpage, this is completely regardless of how usefull you think the info in the sidebar is, the gp and people like me DO NOT WANT IT, we want the space available for the webpage and the webpage only, not toolbars, sidebars popup bars pop-over/under bars, and not even when they are auto-hiding.

Opera gives you all the space you need! (scrensht) (4, Informative)

eddy (18759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686548)

> but even then it still usues way too much screen space for things other then the actual webpage.

WTF?! You do know that the sidebar "Panel" toggles on and off with F4, right? Requests ought to focus on stuff that isn't already in the browser and trivially available to users to configure, don't you think?

I'm sorry, but requesting more space for the web page is sort of insane, considering there's always full screen mode (F11). The difference between full screen and my current configuration is neglible. Here's a current full screen screenshot [gazonk.org] (~44KiB) of my setup. Explain what you want to disable and how that makes a real difference to your browsing experience.

Personally I'd like a special tab which would include all client-server exchanges, toggable to exclude content body/show as hexa, etc.

Re:Opera gives you all the space you need! (screns (1)

SillyNickName4me (760022) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686637)

WTF?! You do know that the sidebar "Panel" toggles on and off with F4, right?

Yes, so I leave it permanently off (in all browsers btw).

That was however not what I commented on with regards to the side panel. The statement was that it contains usefull information, well, maybe so, but as long as it does it takes away screel real estate. Of course when you turn it off, it doesn't take screenb estate. You did read the start of my post where I said I fiddled a few hours with this and other panels and that I am quite aware that you can turn them off?

Requests ought to focus on stuff that isn't already in the browser and trivially available to users to configure, don't you think?

Fair enough. The better request would be, come with a profile that doesn't confuse the user with 20 toolbars, sidebars and what not..

I'm sorry, but requesting more space for the web page is sort of insane, considering there's always full screen mode (F11). The difference between full screen and my current configuration is neglible. Here's a current full screen screenshot (~44KiB) of my setup. Explain what you want to disable and how that makes a real difference to your browsing experience.

The bars you have at the bottom of the screen, they just take away space.. But then, you probably have a use for them..

I guess the point of my post was to say that toolbars and the like may provide some nice functionality, but the sheer number of them makes for a significant reduction in actually usable screen real estate. My only critisism of Opera in this is that by default, it is worse in this then about any other browser. You can indeed disable most of it, but making it less cluthered by default and possibly moving part of all the functionality into its own module/extension would imho be a serious improvement.

Personally I'd like a special tab which would include all client-server exchanges, toggable to exclude content body/show as hexa, etc.

Which to me sounds like another candidate for an extension. I see the use, but the use of this to the typical end-user is pretty much zero. Why bother them with this?

From a developper point of vue (5, Insightful)

yogikoudou (806237) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686397)

- More CSS 3 - A Javascript Debugger (including XMLHttpRequest debugging, as with the Firebug extension) - XForms - XUL ? And from a user point of vue: - Extensions

Re:From a developper point of vue (4, Interesting)

Jicksta (760596) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686439)

I'd have to second the request for XUL support. With Microsoft producing its XUL clone XAML for use with Vista software, it's only a question of when, not if these technologies take off. Is this an area out of which Opera truly wishes to stay?

The parent's request for better AJAX debugging is another possibility certain to turn a number of web-dev heads. Few doubt AJAX's destiny. I for one would love to see this.

Additionally, I'd also like to request an option to specify how the middle-button responds to clicks for scrolling. Presently, and for prior versions, pressing the middle button to begin the hands-free scrolling feature snaps the cursor to the middle of the page. This becomes an issue when trying to open a page in a background tab with a middle click and, if the click is off by a little, the cursor shoots away, causing the user to move their cursor back to the link. A minor nuisance but one I've heard complained about for years.

Re:From a developper point of vue (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686450)

A Javascript Debugger including XMLHttpRequest debugging

Try Fiddler [fiddlertool.com]

Under Windows (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686398)

1. Under Windows: Get rid of the stupid default whereby the main scrollbar on the righthandside turns nearly-white (thus "disappearing") whenever a person goes to use it. That's a really dumb default. Also, make it easier to change because I never found a way (without choosing a different theme entirely). Note: no problem on OS X.

2. Under any OS: When opening a link into a new tab, it automagically pops the new tab up. I like the new tab under because I'm often going to A Page whereupon I click several links, like when I'm scanning the Slashdot homepage and want to open 3 or 4 stories to see what the lunatics are raving about. Allow me to control that behavior. And, if you already do, make it easier to find.

3. Please revisit a number of your configration/preferences/options menus. I don't find them to be well organized or comprehensive. Take a note from FireFox was does do a fairly decent job in this area whether its Win, Mac, or even Ubuntu. I'd even go so far as to say IE is easier to configure.

Other than basic usability which prevents me from using it as my primary, I'd like to love it.

Re:Under Windows (1)

Hektor_Troy (262592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686425)

Since ... well, I'm not sure how long, but as long as I can rembmer, and I've used it since 3.x - if you right click on a link, you'll see "Open in background tab" along with the keyboard combination used to do that. Not sure how much easier it can be to find.

Re:Under Windows (1)

moonbender (547943) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686436)

Yes, I'm not sure how one could miss that. Middle clicking works, too, I think.

Re:Under Windows (1)

whathappenedtomonday (581634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686438)

some suggestions (though 1. was never a real problem, at least for me...)

2. Use the RMB and select "Open in background page" or hold CTRL and SHIFT when clicking a link.
3. Use opera:config (Opera 9)

Re:Under Windows (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686457)

1. Is definitely a problem.

2. Took me a moment to realize what RMB meant, but I understand now. That's a good temporary workaround until Opera gives me, the user, the ability to configure client application behaviors for tabs in a way that borrows some of the good ideas of FireFox. Thanks!

3. Now, that was fairly handy. It doesn't look anywhere near as comprehensive as FireFox, but it is a straightfoward interface. Thanks again.

Re:Under Windows (1)

pafrusurewa (524731) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686586)

2. Are you trolling? Now I don't know what you mean by "opening a link into a new tab", but for me that's middle-clicking. If that's what you mean, you can change the behaviour under Preferences -> Advanced -> Shortcuts -> Middle click options.

Use the middle mouse button (scroll wheel) (2, Informative)

kamakiri (944887) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686455)

Tools > Preferences > Advanced > Shortcuts > Middle click options

Select "Open in background tab".

Yes, they could make this a bit easier to find.

Re:Use the middle mouse button (scroll wheel) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686520)

What about Instant messaging.

Browsing email downloading and Instant messenging are the tasks your average user (including me) does on the internet. With an Instant messenging plugin for Opera, using all the existing IM networks (or even just jabber), Opera could be a complete web solution for a user.

Re:Use the middle mouse button (scroll wheel) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686544)

Opera supports IRC already and with Bitlbee you can use IM-networks too. It's not for average person though, it's mainly for people who like IRC, but need those IM-networks too.

Re:Use the middle mouse button (scroll wheel) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686597)

That will solve my Windows trouble for getting links to open in background tabs. Thank you.

Re:Under Windows (1)

tibike77 (611880) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686506)

For the Windows version: a "manually edit theme" (colors, fonts, etc).
I used to stick to Opera 7.xx exactly for that reason even when 8.xx came out.

Second thing, an "export/save environment" (key settings, WAND database, toolbar settings, bookmarks, color scheme, etc) and the companion "import/load environment".
If you can make it also automatically import all that from PREVIOUS versions of Opera, I have a nearly 4-year old Opera 7.52 that's itching for "upgrade" to Opera 9.
Yes, I still use both... 7.52 for all the stuff I forgot the pass (hey, it happens) and Opera 9 for all the rest.

Oh well, and IE for the DotProject site of partner companies, but that's more of an issue for DotProject than Opera.
Hmm... how about an "EMULATE BROKEN IE CSS" option ? ;)
Would go nicely with "identify as IE" :P

Re:Under Windows (1)

IndigoParadox (953607) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686569)

I'm not sure what you mean about not being able to use the Wand info. If you've been doing upgrade installations until now your copy of Opera 9.0 should have all of your information since you started using Opera. Are these installations on seperate machines?

Anyway, you can find your Opera settings in C:\Documents and Settings\[Your user name]\Application Data\Opera\Opera\profile if you have Opera set to use multiple user profiles or C:\Program Files\[Opera directory]\profile (I think, or something like that,) if you have it set to keep all settings in the program directory. The file that contains your Wand info is called wand.dat. Just copy that file over from the old Opera installation to replace the wand.dat from whatever current version you're using. Similarly, your search engines are in search.ini, your bookmarks are in opera6.adr, your notes are in notes.adr, and your contacts are in contacts.adr. I think your toolbar and keyboard and voice settings are in the toolbar, keyboard, and voice directories. I use a file sync program with these files to keep my Opera environment in sync on my desktop and my tablet and it works perfectly.

Hope that helps!

Re:Under Windows (1)

MukiMuki (692124) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686621)

1. I haven't used Opera's default theme in 3 years, so I'm no good for this one.
2. Ahh, this one got me too at first. I'm assuming it's not that you don't use the middle mouse button (or scroll wheel down-click), but it's sites like Amazon that force the newly opened tabs to the front that's bothering you.

I wish they'd make it easier to find, but when I asked them about it I DID get an immediate (within a few hours) response... 'course, I DID pay for my copy:

Ctrl + F12 -> Advanced (Tab) -> Content -> JavaScript Options (Button) -> Allow Raising of Fields, Allow Lowering of Fields
Disable (uncheck) both. Yeah, I agree that it is a little too deeply in there.

On the FLIPSIDE, go to opera:config (about:config works too for longtime Firefox users)
Look up "allow script". Disable as needed ;)

Combining HTTP w/ BitTorrent (2, Interesting)

Aidan Steele (979438) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686403)

While it's certainly kickarse to see a browser implement BitTorrent downloads, it would be even more impressive if they could combine this facet of the program with HTTP downloads. While I can see a number of difficulties with this (technical challenge, lack of standards, etc) these can be minimised in a number of ways. It would certainly mean much faster speeds for end-users, lower bandwidth costs for hosts and resulting increased user numbers of a standards-compliant browser. 2. ??? 3. Profit!

Re:Combining HTTP w/ BitTorrent (2, Insightful)

tibike77 (611880) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686523)

Although I'd positively love to see most "popular" downloads automatically BitTorrented when I download with Opera (by the way, I don't use a download manager, I just use Opera for most of my HTTP downloads), I am having a hard time imagining HOW you could do it in ways that don't breach any laws AND is beneficial to the user WHILE keeping the user anonymous (among others, not having to "phone back home" each time you do a hybrid HTTP/BT dowload).

Well, the "challenge" would be to have a tracker that you can access for those HTTP downloads, and also the tracker would have to (have a companion system that would) download the file first so it can hash it.
This means only "popular" downloads would be worthy of this, as any other download wouldn't benefit from anything... you HAVE to have some seeds online or else it's useless... and probably having Opera's tracker also double as "last seed" would break a few copyright laws.

There are a lot of other issues here, so basically UNLESS most companies get away from the "we host stuff on HTTP" mentality to "we HTTP host the .torrent and we have a BT superseed of it running and our own tracker", there's not much you CAN do. IMHO.

Re:Combining HTTP w/ BitTorrent (1)

Aidan Steele (979438) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686547)

Placing the onus largely on the Opera developers is the wrong way to look at it, IMHO.

As hosts would benefit greatly from this (exponentially so, with the hosts serving the most bandwidth benefitting the most), it would be in their best interests to do whatever it costs to reduce costs. (No pun intended.)

A minimally-modified BitTorrent tracker can be in a standardised location (eg. /downloadmanager/tracker), that the browser can check whenever downloading a file from a server. If the location doesn't exist; fine, download via HTTP. (Possibly offer the user a chance to manually substitute a .torrent file here?) If the location does exist, however, it indicates that the webhost is capable and willing to act as a tracker for the file. As the server is hosting the file, hashing it won't pose a problem.

I realise that existing patchy solutions already address a few of these points, but no progress have been made on the browser front. To do so would be to stand out from the competition and be an incentive for all concerned.

Re:Combining HTTP w/ BitTorrent (1)

tibike77 (611880) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686554)

That's why I said the people hosting "stuff" for downloading should be the ones changing mentality first :p
Only afterwards can Opera (or any other browsers) do anything about it.

Re:Combining HTTP w/ BitTorrent (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686539)

WTF are you talking about? HTTP is a protocol for transferring files. BitTorrent is also a protocol for transferrnig files. They don't complement each other, they are alternatives. You can't combine them, that makes no sense. They aren't power rangers, man.

Re:Combining HTTP w/ BitTorrent (1)

Aidan Steele (979438) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686560)

I guess that's why GetRight [getright.com] and Azureus [sourceforge.net] already do such a thing.

It pays to think outside the box, even if that box isn't particularly big to begin with.

Still no Opera topic in Slashdot (5, Insightful)

Hank Powers (467121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686405)

It's time for you to stop dissing Opera. There are applications that get news coverage really seldom and even they have their own topics in Slashdot. Opera gets mentioned every once in a while and always gets placed under the general software topic. Do I smell an anti-Opera Software bias among the editors?

Re:Still no Opera topic in Slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686461)

Ubuntu is mentioned once in a while, yet it doesn't have its own topic. Obviously the editors are biased against Ubuntu too.

Re:Still no Opera topic in Slashdot (1)

Pneuma ROCKS (906002) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686642)

Opera gets mentioned every once in a while and always gets placed under the general software topic.

First of all, I would have to say Opera gets placed under the general software topic because it only gets mentioned every once in a while, so that's really just one reason. And not to flame, but I think Mozilla does deserve a category of their own for its current market precence, and because they produce a lot more than Firefox.

I like Opera a lot, and I think it has contributed greatly to browser history, but its market share is too small. Granted, perhaps it's due to the User Agent switcher. Perhaps these reasons are enough to make Opera undeserving of a category of its own. I'm sure the editors have some "objective" criteria for creating categories. I wouldn't say they're biased.

Better UI (0)

Poromenos1 (830658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686407)

I have always wanted the in-page UI to be prettier. The round corners on the controls look very old-school, and I have always thought that Gmail in IE looks better (though it's much faster in Opera).

Re:Better UI (1)

kamakiri (944887) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686485)

Isn't button shading just a property of the currently installed skin? There are lots of different skins to try:
http://my.opera.com/community/customize/skins/?sho w=rate [opera.com]

Re:Better UI (1)

Poromenos1 (830658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686618)

That, I didn't know. You are very right, sir, thank you. I love this browser.

Adblock (4, Insightful)

Umbral Blot (737704) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686424)

Adblock, adblock, adblock. I know you can do something like adblock with Opera, but it doesn't even compare with firefox's version. That's the reason that I still use firefox even though it isn't as small or as fast as Opera; I want my adblock.

Re:Adblock (4, Informative)

LubosD (909058) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686433)

Opera 9 has integrated content blocking - it is quite good. You don't have to edit filter.ini any more...

Re:Adblock (1)

SillyNickName4me (760022) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686528)

Opera 9 has integrated content blocking - it is quite good. You don't have to edit filter.ini any more...

So it has now what adblock started out with roughly.

There are very nice blocklists for adblock and ways to automatically import them, which means you won't get to see the ads without having to block them yourself.

Adblock also has some other nice features and all in all a content filter only covers part of what adblock does.

Re:Adblock (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686435)

Adblock, adblock, adblock. I know you can do something like adblock with Opera, but it doesn't even compare with firefox's version. That's the reason that I still use firefox even though it isn't as small or as fast as Opera; I want my adblock.
Right-click on the page, choose the relevant option, click around to block stuff. Where's the problem?

Re:Adblock (1)

infestedsenses (699259) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686486)

Right-click on the page, choose the relevant option, click around to block stuff. Where's the problem?

Do you have to do this for every new ad you see? Or does Opera automagically create regexes for permanent blocking of similar ads by using your method?

Re:Adblock (4, Informative)

Rits (453723) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686567)

Do you have to do this for every new ad you see? Or does Opera automagically create regexes for permanent blocking of similar ads by using your method?


No regexes, but a simple matching expression using * is automatically created. You can also block specific images only by holding Shift while clicking. It is quite intuitive, with a simple UI with only a few buttons and a short explanation text.

Re:Adblock (1)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686612)

Doesn't come close to adblock plus with automatic updates from filterset.g. I haven't seen a web adverstisement in forever, and it requires no work on my part.

Re:Adblock (1)

Rits (453723) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686645)

Yep, automatic filterset updates would be useful, if you really want to block all adds (instead of only removing some especially annoying ones). There are of course ethical issues...

Re:Adblock (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686453)

I know you can do something like adblock with Opera, but it doesn't even compare with firefox's version.

What's missing? Right-click on the page, select "Block content", and the page gets greyed out, with the blockable items highlighted. Click on everything you want to block, and it automatically sets up wildcard rules to block those ads. That's easier than Firefox's Adblock.

Re:Adblock (1)

Justin205 (662116) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686464)

I haven't used Opera 9 (used 8.5 a bit, but back to Firefox for a couple things, like mplayerplug-in working properly there), but I have a question... Is there a way to import a filterlist? This is one of the very nice things about Firefox adblock, to me. I just grab a good filterset, and it'll block almost everything without me touching it, ever.

Re:Adblock (2, Informative)

Bogtha (906264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686483)

Is there a way to import a filterlist?

Yes [operawiki.info] . You can get a pre-made filterlist here [yoyo.org] .

Re:Adblock (2, Interesting)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686476)

No, with firefox adblock I just need to download the adblock filter lst [gauret.free.fr] and never worry about ads.

Re:Adblock (3, Informative)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686549)

Bah, how about not forcing Opera to keep up to date with specific extensions found in Firefox...

Firefox actually has a worse adblock implementation then Opera, did you know that?

The root of the problem as I see it is not a poor integrated adblock functionality -- I'm sure Opera 9's new interactive and visual adblocking mechanisms are sufficient for most people -- the problem is more likely deep extension support for power users to extend functionality as they want and need.

While Opera ASA is doing an admirable job of keeping up to date with the competition as a company, my number one wish for Opera 10 is good extension support.

And no, Opera's aging Netscape plugin support is lacking in so many areas, like chrome and renderer extensibility, that I won't even discuss it.

Re:Adblock (1)

Blod (904635) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686608)

How about Proxomitron? It requires some time to get used to, but in the end result is the best possible. It doesn't matter what browser you're going to use, Proxomitron will block any adverts.

One word... (1)

Bri3D (584578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686633)

Privoxy. Privoxy will filter HTTP requests using regexps and works as well and often better than Adblock. Plus (the best) it's browser neutral and you can do more than just ad blocking (i.e. filtering certain cookies, your user agent, referrer, etc.)

Multiple Personal Bars (1)

venkateshkumar99 (791435) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686434)

Multiple personal bars so that one can put more bookmarks/searches in them.

Re:Multiple Personal Bars (1)

kamakiri (944887) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686472)

Try setting personal bar placement to the right hand side of the screen with wrapping on, perfect if you have a wide screen display. This way you could have dozens of bookmarks instantly available.

Re:Multiple Personal Bars (1)

Rits (453723) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686571)

Or just set the Personal bar to 'wrap', if you've got a normal screen.

Integration. (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686460)

Human Interface Guidelines, native widgets, integration with the host OS. Opera is completely unusable because it refuses to behave like all other applications, be it in Gnome or Windows. It doesn't matter if that way might be better, because the problem is switching between paradigms.

Re:Integration. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686572)

Mod down as 'smoked some crack'. Using the above argumentation, mouse-gestures should go because the OS doesn't support them. Idiocy.

Well... (3, Insightful)

gall0ws (902335) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686462)

Open source.

I would use Opera instead of Firefox if it was free (as in speech)

Re:Well... (1)

thanasakis (225405) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686530)

You are out of line here dude :)

Obviously Slashdot can swallow a camel but chokes on a mosquito. Meaning, we think Java is evil despite its source being available, but Opera is cool despite its source NOT being available.

Allow context search results to open in a new tab. (1)

Zelgadiss (213127) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686475)

Allow context search results to open in a new tab. This is the default behavior in Firefox. It allows me to search something I don't know then go back to the original page without waiting for it to reload.

Re:Allow context search results to open in a new.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686524)

Just click that search with shift. That way you get new tab. Ctrl+shift opens in background tab.

Re:Allow context search results to open in a new.. (1)

Rits (453723) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686577)

Yes, hold Shift or Ctrl+Shift while clicking the menu item 0 this works just as well for menu entires and buttons that load a new page, as for links. You can also disable the 'reuse current tab' setting in the Preferences, which will cause all such actions to use a new tab instead of reusing the current tab.

M2 (1)

dr. greenthumb (114246) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686482)

I for one would LOVE to see support for mail encyption/signing in M2.

What I want: Less!!! (1)

robbak (775424) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686491)

What is the biggest problem with software? Second-System Effect! 2SE makes life so much harder.

So, opera, continue to work on bug fixes, keep an eye out on useful, underlying technologies (bittorent, css updates (which is getting 2se'd as well!), and leave the bells, whistles and gongs to others!!

Tools for standards compliance (for developers). (4, Interesting)

expro (597113) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686492)

Browsers bend over backwards to be compatible with lots of pages, and by so doing promote worse behaviors.

The mess that passes for HTML is a direct result of the permissive approaches of browsers. It is understandable that browser vendors want to make the browser work on as many pages as possible, but it is a horrible tool to use in the hands of web developers because the bottom line is if it works, it is OK.

Browsers need modes that can be enabled for developers that raise exceptions when exercising behaviors that were inserted for compatability but which violate standards and/or are likely to break other browsers/versions. They need to do this to make it easy for developers to use the browser to test their web pages while not promoting worse-formed content. Whichever browser does this first, will be my choice of main browser to use when testing my web pages.

Re:Tools for standards compliance (for developers) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686525)

Don't they have a smiley face for compliant pages, and a frown otherwise?

Re:Tools for standards compliance (for developers) (1)

ChristTrekker (91442) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686607)

Smiley? You're thinking of iCab [www.icab.de] .

This goes way beyond just well-formed/valid HTML (2, Interesting)

expro (597113) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686611)

Every Javascript that executes, style that is interpreeted, etc. has to carefully segregate favored behaviors from poor behaviors done for compatibility.

There needs to be several levels. In some cases, there are standards-compliant behaviors that have traditionally been so poorly implemented by browsers that these should also be flagged as non-portable.

Misleading title and my two cents (1)

ThiagoHP (910442) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686496)

When I first read "Opera Seeks Developer Input", I thought that Opera was seeking input from software developers, not from web ones. Well, I'm not a web developer, but I would suggest to Opera offer more Javascript debugging (specially XMLHTTPRequest) and some "Fit to width" tweakings. It works very well in most pages, but in a few of them it screws the page rendering completely.

Some people here asks for Firefox-style extensions. Unless the Opera people change their minds, this would never happen, as they think extensions are a security threat (you have to trust no just Opera ASA, but also the extension writer) and that tech-unsavvy users can confuse low-quality extensions with a low-quality browser.

adblock (1)

tHeSiD (805906) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686497)

adblock, adblock, adblock, adblock, adblock, adblock, adblock, adblock, adblock, adblock, adblock, !!! and extensions... cleaner ones.. and widgets suck :(.

Interesting fanatism towards software . . . (1)

ThiagoHP (910442) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686542)

. . . cause something like this: some people complaining about the lack of some features that actually exist in Opera 9 [opera.com] !!!

Re:Interesting fanatism towards software . . . (1)

tHeSiD (805906) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686623)

oh .. crap.. my bad.,. it does have adblock.. "blocked content".. not as good as powerful as adblock.. but works pretty well .. enough for me to shift to opera :) thanks man..

Add PGP/GPG/S-Mime in M2! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686499)

Add PGP/GPG/S-Mime in M2! We need it!

CSS behavior of form elements (2, Interesting)

infestedsenses (699259) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686501)

The same CSS behavior of form elements that Firefox and IE support. Whenever I style an input textfield, defining fixed widths and then add padding to that, it works great in Firefox and IE, but Opera ignores the padding so the fields are shorter. This makes it difficult to create a clean, aligned form so we usually just ignore it and leave Opera unsupported in this aspect.

Re:CSS behavior of form elements (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686532)

I second this. Actually like the feel and speed of Opera better than Firefox, but Oper still breaks some things that dont break in IE and Firefox. Layer positioning, css etc.

XUL and WhatWG support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686512)

Considering the subset of XUL that is just more widgets than what HTML provides, it would be great for a second browser to join with Firefox so that we've got an alternative to WinFX for complex GUI apps.

This is already being done with WhatWG, and their widgets would be a great idea too.

(admitedly Safari has minor XUL support but that hardly counts). And I say all this as someone who wants to develop more complex and useful apps without having to make them Firefox-only, rather than as an Opera user.

Opera (1)

Konster (252488) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686514)

A real bookmark manager. Why do browsers do so poorly in this area, and why is Opera the worst at it?

how about work in marketing? (1)

alonsoac (180192) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686515)

What they need to improve is marketing. No browser will be relevant for me as a developer if nobody uses it. Most developers still do not care if their pages work in Firefox even with its considerable user base.

What I'd like to see (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686531)

-Adblock. I just can't stand flash, animated gifs

-Enable cookie tracking on a per site basis ON THE ALLOW COOKIE DIALOG

-Fix the mail client so it separates by REAL folders. The "view filter" idea is great but doesn't work with 5000+ messages.

-Integrate the error window as a sidebar

-XUL support would be a bonus (and one less reason to use mozilla)

-Proper theme integration with KDE

XForms (2, Interesting)

Anc (953115) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686533)

I'd like to see XForms [w3.org] support. It's a great technology for Ajax-ish websites which has tremendous capabilities and allows to drastically reduce the amount JS required for many types of web applications.

Mozilla is already at an advanced stage in working on an implementation [mozilla.org] . The current progress is available via an extension [mozilla.org] .

How to make Opera better (1)

Cal Paterson (881180) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686550)

Release the source under the GPL.

I, and a load of other people, won't use it until then.

Re:How to make Opera better (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15686624)

Release the source under the GPL.
Yes, I'm sure Opera would be thrilled to see Mozilla taking their very profitable and very proficient code, and then implementing it in their products. A perfect way to bankrupt a successful company.

Close/Delete (1)

hubidat (877716) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686562)

I often browse web pages that I have saved on my computer. After I read them I usually just want to delete them. Currently I have to close the page and then delete. I would use any browser that let me close and delete directly from the browser and then open the next page from that folder automatically. Perhaps there is an existing way to do this, I'm so retarded about keyboard shortcuts 'an all.

Just one thing... (1)

powermacx (887715) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686614)

A new icon! Seriously, it's just a big, red zero, er.. "O".

If FreeBSD [freebsd.org] can get a new spiffy logo, so can Opera. ;)

native NetBSD port (2, Interesting)

ChristTrekker (91442) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686619)

I think there are a sizable chunk of people that would like to see a NetBSD/i386 version. (Personally I'd like to see a NetBSD/mac68k version just for kicks, but I'm probably in the minority there.)

Open the bug tracker (1)

Bitsy Boffin (110334) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686620)

The single worst thing about Opera from a developer's point of view - the bug tracker isn't open. You can't search to see if something is a known bug, you get no feedback when you submit a bug. It's just a big black hole where you throw bug reports.

Making good bug reports can take a bit of time, I don't bother for Opera, because I don't know if I'm just wasting energy on a bug that's already known.

And no, a forum is not the answer, too much noise to signal.

real google bar (1)

TTL0 (546351) | more than 8 years ago | (#15686640)

'nuff said.

btw thanx opera for a great browser. one of the few apps that keeps me on (desktop)linux
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