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Microsoft Hoping for Vista in January

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the happy-new-year-vista-07 dept.

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WebHostingGuy writes "Bill Gates said Tuesday there was an 80 percent chance the company's next-generation operating system, Vista, would be ready in January. He is also hopeful that the next version of Office will ship in December. The holdup, he says, is due to constant revisions due to beta tester feedback." From the article: "'We've got to get this absolutely right,' Gates said. 'If the feedback from the beta tests shows it is not ready for prime time, I'd be glad to delay it.' He said Microsoft was investing $8 billion to $9 billion in developing Vista and the company's next version of Office, its key cash-generator. He said the company's software partners, in developing and adapting their own products for the two launches, would invest 20 times as much as Microsoft."

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Credible odds? (4, Funny)

lecithin (745575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699075)

Gates says 80% chance that it will be a go in January.

Mr Gates, how much do you want to bet?

I'd really like to see what kind of odds the Vegas bookmakers would give it.

"The holdup, he says, is due to constant revisions due to beta tester feedback."

Well duh, Just quit testing!

Re:Credible odds? (2, Funny)

2.7182 (819680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699084)

I don't think we should be so hard on Microsoft. Has Hurd been completed yet ? In complex projects, these things happen.

Re:Credible odds? (2, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699146)

HURD shouldn't have to be any more complex than Linux, and Linux is very complete in comparison. The problems with HURD stem from poor project management, not inherent complexity.

Re:Credible odds? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699262)

Well that is very arguable, on two fronts. First, that Hurd has poor project management. Second that Linux is "relatively" complete. I spent 3 days with my Linux sys admin tryinng to get my digital camera working with my Gentoo box. He said "sure, use Linux, every camera works on it." We never succeeded. (It was an Olympus C3030.)

So while it is said often, the Linux driver situation is a mess.

Re:Credible odds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699339)

All I know is that after almost 20 years of project management, HURD still doesn't support any digital cameras.

Re:Credible odds? (-1, Offtopic)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699405)

He said "sure, use Linux, every camera works on it." We never succeeded. (It was an Olympus C3030.)

I call BS. According to this [shutterbug.com] that camera has both Serial and USB connections, so at least one of them ought to work. Particularly, it ought to show up as a simple USB Mass Storage Device, which Linux should handle fine. And at the very least you could plug the SmartMedia card it records the pictures on into a USB reader and transfer pictures that way!

Oh, and by the way, you're talking about a six-year-old camera. I'll bet you tried this five or more years ago, and are dragging the tired, old anecdote out of the closet even though it almost certainly no longer applies (if it indeed ever did at all)!

In other words, you're a troll. Piss off.

Re:Credible odds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699451)

Yeah, just keep defending your little toy-OS. Someday, when you move out of your parents' basement, you'll look back and laugh at your naivity.

We all thought Linux would be the next great thing, but we all grow up and need to get work done. That's life.

Re:Credible odds? (-1, Offtopic)

Columcille (88542) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699475)

So you are saying Linux doesn't have any trouble interacting with digital cameras in the same way that Windows interacts with digital cameras? People may well do more than just copy pictures from their connected digi cams. And digital cameras form just one small area of the hardware woes facing Linux.

Re:Credible odds? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699484)

And here I thought it was because nobody wants to work on a project called "HURD".

Re:Credible odds? (1)

mrxak (727974) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699331)

What I don't get is why Bill Gates would care either way about when Vista is released. He's already turned over all the day-to-day stuff and is spending his time on charity (which he deserves some credit for, regardless as to how people feel about this company). It's not like he really needs any more money from Vista sales. If I was him, I'd say sure, delay it all you want for whatever reason, just don't bother me about it.

Re:Credible odds? (4, Insightful)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699454)

which he deserves some credit for, regardless as to how people feel about this company

It depends. Do you think his charity is enough to make up for all the harm Microsoft has done to the economy over the years, between the predatory business practices, viruses, stifling non-Microsoft technologies, etc.? I'd say it's entirely possible that, if Microsoft had never existed, we might be so much more prosperous today that all that money would still be going to charity, and more.

Re:Credible odds? (5, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699090)

What he really meant was that it would be 80% DONE by January. That means, if they release it in January, it will be the most complete and stable OS ever released by Microsoft.

Re:Credible odds? (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699152)

I don't know about that. Dos 3.0 wasn't that bad.

Oh Did you mean since 1990?

Re:Credible odds? (1)

Poltras (680608) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699308)

Win 3.11 was ok. Make that 1995. I don't know why, everytime I say that year, I shiver.

Re:Credible odds? (1)

Mr Pippin (659094) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699472)

DOS 3.1 was probably the most stable DOS I saw for quite a while.

Re:Credible odds? (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699462)

The problem is that they're quickly running out of features to cut from Vista. That's the bottle neck. Right now they're weighing whether to cut either the slick new GUI or the fantastic new security features to make the January deadline. The OEM's are already pressuring them for a "Vista SP 1 Ready" sticker program.

Re:Credible odds? (4, Funny)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699142)

Well duh, Just quit testing!


Right. Testing will be 80% done by January, making Windows Vista the most thoroughly tested Microsoft operating system ever.

Gambling (3, Funny)

darthservo (942083) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699283)

Mr Gates, how much do you want to bet? I'd really like to see what kind of odds the Vegas bookmakers would give it.

Since Mr. Gates lives in Washington [pokermag.com] , he is unfortunately not able to respond to your wager online. [slashdot.org]

couple of observations (1, Interesting)

yagu (721525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699085)

From the article and summary :

"'We've got to get this absolutely right,' Gates said. 'If the feedback from the beta tests shows it is not ready for prime time, I'd be glad to delay it.'

Looks like Microsoft has notched the bar a little higher than usual. Hopefully they really really really mean it this time. (And Lucy isn't going to yank the football back this time.)

And (emphasis mine):

He said Microsoft was investing $8 billion to $9 billion in developing Vista and the company's next version of Office, its key cash-generator. He said the company's software partners, in developing and adapting their own products for the two launches, would invest 20 times as much as Microsoft."

Once again, Microsoft leaves the heavy lifting to others. What a crock.

Re:couple of observations (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699118)

Once again, Microsoft leaves the heavy lifting to others. What a crock.
What's the problem with them sending some development work to other companies? If the other companies don't want to take the work, they won't. Almost all software companies use libraries developed by other companies, you can't just bitch at MS about this.

Re:couple of observations (2, Informative)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699359)

Well, there are always going to be incompatibilities with a new major version. And it's not so much that they are leaving the heavy lifting to others, it's just that all those little things that don't work the same need to be fixed in various software programs. Thousands of software programs. That cost is divided amongst all developers. Then the deployment of those changes. And marketing. Etc. These are not Microsoft's responsibility.

That said, I've used Vista Beta 2. It's Alpha quality, at best. (Of course, "Beta" has become somewhat of a buzzword. Often what should be a "Release" is labelled "Beta" to give it a "Cutting edge" feeling.)

Re:couple of observations (5, Insightful)

Explodo (743412) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699132)

Any time a widely used OS is significantly changed, everyone will have to invest some amount of time with testing, and possibly refreshing, their software. Since there are so many companies that might have to do so, there's a significant software expense in doing so. If there's a large shift in KDE, to make it more future-oriented, then a very large amount of time will be spent by a large number of developers to update software. While they may not be getting paid to do it, their time still has value. Ol' Bill apparently realizes that software development is done by lots of people in lots of ways, unlike you.

Re:couple of observations (4, Insightful)

gravyface (592485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699135)

Once again, Microsoft leaves the heavy lifting to others. What a crock. What exactly is Microsoft supposed to do, reverse-engineer everyone's applications for them so it will run under Vista? I'm no Windows programmer, but clearly the partners are going to have to make changes if their software is incompatible with Vista.

Re:couple of observations (1)

Randolpho (628485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699374)

You're exactly right, but it's so much more fun for us to whine about Microsoft and give itchildish little monikers like "M$" than it is to actually, you know, use our brains. :D

Re:couple of observations (1)

Axe (11122) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699394)

Yeah, right. My 10 year old Linux programs work and compile just fine under latest kernel/glibc/gcc - NOT.
Quit bitching - backward compatibility is a major hassle, and unlike open source project MS got contracts and they can not just tell us - no luck, recompile and redo all your apps - as Linux forced us to do many time over.

Re:couple of observations -- MS Buggy Bloatware (1)

FractalZone (950570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699418)

What Bill Gates is not admitting is the fact that Microsoft foists the hard part of testing and correcting Vista (and other Microsoft Buggy Bloatware)) off on major applications developers and other organizations that have a huge vested interest in having computers running an OS that works, at least much of the time.

Microsoft sets the bar very low. Ask any Linux kernel hacker how often an OS has to be restarted after applications are installed/upgraded, maintenance is done, or someone with user-level access pulls a newbie stunt. heavily used Unix/Linux and (Open)VMS systems I am familiar with often stay up for months at a time. I frequently read about platforms running those OSes having uptimes measured in YEARS. I have never encountered a Microsoft operating system, be it DOS or Windows, that didn't crash or require a restart every few days (sometimes much more frequently) if it was serving any more important role than that of inefficient space heater. I *could* leave most of the NT/2000/XP boxes I've owned or administered on for many weeks or months on end, but not while doing the proper maintenance such systems require or if I tried to do anything that actually put Office or major 3rd party apps through their paces.

That Winblows needs to be rebooted for ordinary maintenance is a glaring example of how incompetent Microsoft's OS designers are. The registry is another. Then there are the sheer number of bugs that need to be fixed, security holes that need to be patched, etc. Let's not forget how slowly (and awkwardly) Winblows boots compared to most Linux systems... Do Microsoft's developers get their credentials by sending in cereal box tops, or what?

Hope... (1)

geoff lane (93738) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699088)

Hope is alway a good thing but sometimes reality must butt in. Who is going to make plans based on an 80% chance of a product being available?

Re:Hope... (2, Insightful)

Moqui (940533) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699119)

That 80% chance is figuring in the inclusion of a new Microsoft folder game, Duke Nukem Forever. They are taking out minesweeper for it, so they are being extra careful that it will be ready for primetime -- some January.

Re:Hope... (1)

castoridae (453809) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699278)

Everybody is, because there's a 100% chance that it will become the overwhelming market leader whenever it finally does hit store shelves.

Re:Hope... (2, Interesting)

CharlesDonHall (214468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699452)

Everybody is, because there's a 100% chance that it will become the overwhelming market leader whenever it finally does hit store shelves.

Unless it's a bloated bugfest like Windows ME and people refuse to upgrade.

I don't know what the odds of that are, but personally I'm not in a hurry to migrate. I was excited about XP because it fixed the worst of the Windows 98 stability problems. (By making it harder for a misbehaving process to bring the whole system down.) But I don't have any motivation to go from my fully-patched XP system to a new and relatively-untested Vista. There aren't any new features that would make it worth the risk. Maybe I'll think about it in 3-4 years, assuming that a lot of games start requiring DirectX 10.

Will there be (4, Insightful)

remembertomorrow (959064) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699097)

a reason to actually upgrade to it by then?

Last I heard, all the features were being removed, and that it required an insane machine to run.

Re:Will there be (1)

'nother poster (700681) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699166)

Well, like you said, they war removing a lot of the functionality and eye candy in the basic version so it will run on XP grade hardware. The basic version doesn't do anything more, or better, than XP from what I've read, but it doesn't need a killer new system to run like the top end versions do.

Oh there will be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699413)

from the wiki article : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista [wikipedia.org]

According to Microsoft, Windows Vista has hundreds of new features, such as an updated graphical user interface and visual style dubbed Windows Aero, improved searching features, new multimedia creation tools such as Windows DVD Maker, and completely redesigned networking, audio, print and display sub-systems.

I'd say 4 completely redesigned subsystems is a worthy improvement from XP.

Re:Will there be (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699392)

Direct X 10

Re:Will there be (1)

Andrewkov (140579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699479)

Could be the delays are due to the fact that Vista requries a PC with enough horsepower that will hypathetically be available with 80% certainty in January.

At this point... (5, Funny)

jZnat (793348) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699100)

At this point, even Debian has a more reliable release schedule!

Re:At this point... (1)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699177)

At this point, even Debian has a more reliable release schedule!

I just knew Microsoft would rue the day that it hired Duke Nukem Forever's release manager ... ;)

Re:At this point... (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699350)

At this point, even Debian has a more reliable release schedule!
At this rate, SCO has a more reliable release schedule.

...*backs away quickly*

Well (2, Funny)

abscissa (136568) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699108)

If beta 2 was any indication, they better start from scratch again.

sex with ducks yo (-1, Offtopic)

Asshat_Nazi (946431) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699121)

BAKED SPAGHETTI SQUASH LASAGNA

1 (2 3/4 lb.) med. spaghetti squash, cooked in microwave oven about 12 minutes or baked, then cooled for handling 3 tbsp. flour
1 med. clove garlic, minced
1/2 tsp. salt
1 (15 oz.) carton low fat Ricotta cheese, drained
1 c. packed spinach leaves
1/3 c. grated Parmesan cheese
1 c. Italian style red pasta sauce
6 oz. sliced Mozzarella cheese

Split squash lengthwise. Remove seeds and stringy portion. Use fork to comb squash flesh, pulling it off in long strands. Place in large mixing bowl. Toss with flour, garlic and salt until well combined.

Blend Ricotta, spinach and Parmesan cheese in food processor or blender until smooth.
To assemble, spread 1/2 cup sauce on bottom of shallow 6-cup baking dish. Top with spaghetti squash, arranging evenly and compactly. Spread Ricotta mixture evenly over squash. Spread remaining sauce over Ricotta. Cover with sliced Mozzarella. Place on baking sheet to catch any juices during baking.

Bake on center rack of 350 degree oven, uncovered, until cheese is lightly browned on edges and juices bubble, about 40 to 50 minutes. Cut into squares and serve hot. Makes 6 servings.

My birthday is in January, but unfortunately... (0)

9x320 (987156) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699136)

My computer doesn't meet the system requirements to excrete the interface of that bloated piece of crap all over my screen.

Re:My birthday is in January, but unfortunately... (1)

9x320 (987156) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699229)

May I also add that Windows XP may be a smaller, smellier turd, but at least it won't cause fatal intestinal blockage?

Doesn't matter (4, Insightful)

eebra82 (907996) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699137)

There is no real need for a Vista release anytime soon, really. Judging from what we've heard so far, people complain about the hardware requirements. Microsoft should not have had a public release date on this product and it seems people are upset only because they missed it. Well, guess what, Windows XP is still here and I doubt anyone in here can actually give me a good reason why we HAVE TO get Vista right away. I wouldn't mind waiting another year.

Re:Doesn't matter (5, Insightful)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699181)

Well, guess what, Windows XP is still here and I doubt anyone in here can actually give me a good reason why we HAVE TO get Vista right away. I wouldn't mind waiting another year.

Every month that goes by without Vista is another month for Linux to improve, and is another month for Apple to work on Leopard (and maybe beat Vista out with it). Point is, MS has competition, which is picking up speed. MS wants to cut that off as soon as possible, and regulate them back to 1-2 percent each.

If Apple is really smart ... (was:Doesn't matter) (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699393)

Every month that goes by without Vista is another month for Linux to improve, and is another month for Apple to work on Leopard (and maybe beat Vista out with it). Point is, MS has competition, which is picking up speed. MS wants to cut that off as soon as possible, and regulate them back to 1-2 percent each.
Release OSX for generic PC. It'll kill their (perceived) "hardware business" (in practice is just expensive dongles for their OS and software suite) but it would pretty much nail M$ to the wall.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

'nother poster (700681) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699185)

You HAVE TO get Vista because the net profits are down at MicroSoft, and the investors are getting hacked off that they aren't making money hand over fist like in the 90's.

Re:Doesn't matter (4, Insightful)

SpaceLifeForm (228190) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699322)

I'm still wondering why anyone had to upgrade to XP from 2000.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699344)

Not any time soon, but not too far off if you're into the latest games.

They're not going to release new versions of Direct X for Windows XP and Direct X 10 is coming either with Vista or soon after. Supposedly there are a bunch of new shiny changes in it.

The problem is game companies will start including support the Direct-X 10 features and will probably eventuall require it to run.

I'll get it eventually, my current rig is beefy enough to run it with Aero, but I'd rather wait until SP1.

Re:Doesn't matter (2, Insightful)

Tsiangkun (746511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699411)

I personally have no reason to upgrade to vista right now.

I upgraded to an apple. I'm already enjoying features that microsoft has been promising for years.

I guess that's the reason it needs to come out quickly, marketing can't hype something that everyone has seen on their friends
apple.

Vista or Mac ? (0, Flamebait)

boxlight (928484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699145)

I bought XP in 2001 and had 5 mostly good years with it. But it was time to move to something better -- and I'm so happy I switch to Mac.

OS X Tiger is awesome and already has everything and more than what Microsoft is promising in Vista. And with Leopard right around the corner, I'm sure I'll get a few more neat features Windows might have 3 or 4 years from now.

Go Apple! Goodbye Microsoft.

boxlight

Re:Vista or Mac ? (2, Informative)

PitaBred (632671) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699208)

How's the Kool-aid taste?
Hell, I've got even neater features on Linux now, such as the fact that I can start a processor-intensive application running and my machine doesn't become completely unusable (mmm, efficient thread switching...). Let's see you try that under Windows or OSX.

Re:Vista or Mac ? (-1, Troll)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699257)

How's the Kool-aid taste?
Hell, I've got even neater features on Windows now, such as the fact that I can go to the store, buy a program, put it in my computer, and it will WORK! (mmm, a functional OS...). Let's see you try that under Linux or OSX.

Re:Vista or Mac ? (1)

WeAreAllDoomed (943903) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699368)

Hell, I've got even neater features on Windows now, such as the fact that I can go to the store, buy a program, put it in my computer, and it will WORK!

"go to the store" to "buy" software? are you a cave-man?

on my ubuntu system, all the software i need can be installed from ubuntu's archives, over the internet, for free.

Re:Vista or Mac ? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699414)

With my OS, everything I need works fine and came included with the OS. No need to go down to a store and waste my money. (Shrinkwrap software is soooo 1990s.)

Re:Vista or Mac ? (1)

j79 (875929) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699298)

I can run Final Cut Pro 5, DVD Studio Pro 4, Motion 2, LiveType, and Photoshop CS2, all at the same time, without any issues... I'm sure they're not all processor intensive (I know Motion isn't), but the very fact that I CAN run those apps is why I own a Mac. :) Honestly though, as long as you're not running XP, I think you should be happy. If I meet someone who is thinking of getting a new computer, I always recommend a Mac, or installing Ubuntu on their old machine.

Re:Vista or Mac ? (1)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699332)

Sounds like someone hasn't tried a recent version of OSX.

With the intel processors, a Mac running OSX has just as good, if not better, desktop performance as any other computer I've used.

Wait, back up (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699396)

You can run an application on Linux?

What does it do?

Re:Vista or Mac ? (1, Insightful)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699236)

Thanks for all of that useful information in your post! I'm so happy to know that you like your Mac! Do you have anything substantial to add to this conversation? I wasn't aware that this article was intended to be a manual count of the personal preferences of every geek on the planet.

Re:Vista or Mac ? (1)

another_fanboy (987962) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699271)

"I'm sure I'll get a few more neat features Windows might have 3 or 4 years from now." Are you implying Vista will be pushed back another few years?

The real name of Vista (-1)

techno-vampire (666512) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699149)

'If the feedback from the beta tests shows it is not ready for prime time, I'd be glad to delay it.'


Now we know the real name of the next OS from Micro$oft: DukeNukemForeverDOS.

new scapegoat? (1, Insightful)

fermion (181285) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699151)

The holdup, he says, is due to constant revisions due to beta tester feedback

He continues: It is not our fault, the beta testers keep causing problems, which we then have to fix.

One wonders how all the other software developers manage to get any product out at all. MS Vista is what, two years late. I can understand them saying that the process is crap and we have to retrofit and refactor to make things work. Or the EU requirements mean we actually, for the first time, understand the API. But blaming delays on beta-test? This software was overdue long before the beta testers hit it.

The sad thing is that MS had some ability to produce in the 90's. They wrote some of the best books in the industry. In the span of 10 years they have gotten to the point when they can't even push out an OS, even when all the major features have been removed. Pitiful.

Pitiful? (2, Funny)

NineNine (235196) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699205)

Considering that Vista will be once of the most complicated computer programs in computer history, designed to support more hardware and more third party programs than any other app or OS in history, I don't really think that you can call this "pitiful". I can't think of any other app or OS that comes even close to doing what they're doing. Nothing else is even *close*.

Re:Pitiful? (1)

starrcake (25459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699324)

> "most complicated computer programs in computer history"
> "I can't think of any other app or OS that comes even close to doing what they're doing"

This is sarcasm right?? This is to be modded as funny??

Dear God I hope so, otherwise you are terribly lost...

Vista supports more hardware than any other OS.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699352)

in history? What are you smoking. If you want to talk about breadth of hardware look at the BSDs. Linux is supported from 386's to supercomputers and not just clusters.

Look at the reality not the PR

Re:Vista supports more hardware than any other OS. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699409)

Yes, and every release of the Linux kernel breaks every binary module. And every release of a Linux OS breaks most of the software.

Don't kid yourself -- binary compabilitity is hard, and OSS sluffs it off because (A) it's talks a lot of work and (B) breaking things all the time make money for RedHat/Novell/etc.

VISTA! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699153)

VISTA = VAPORWARE!

Bud Light Presents... (5, Funny)

kneeslasher (878676) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699159)

Bud Light presents ... Real Men Of Genius.

[Real Men Of Genius.]

Today, we salute you, Mr Impatient For Windows Vista Guy.

[Mr Impatient For Windows Vista Guy.]

While others marvel at an operating system whose primary repair
tradition is a complete wipe, you just can't wait for more of the
same.

[I just love my Long Horn!]

Yes, it lacks security, efficiency, speed, heck, just about
everything. But ever since 1985, when you first jammed your floppies
into that curvaceous 186, you've been enraptured with Windows.

[It was five and a quarter inches!]

Despite the fact that it requires an array of Crays to run already
invented technologies at sub-optimum speeds, you will beat the rush
and see Notepad and Clock run in CPU-crippling GPU-hogging
translucency.

[It turns on all my pixels!]

So crack open an ice cold Bud Lite, oh Chevalier of the Control Panel,
because whilst the rest of us wonder what Vista will bring, you
already know.

[Mr Impatient For Windows Vista Guy!]

Bud Light beer. Anheuser Busch, St. Louis, Missouri.

Re:Bud Light Presents... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699209)

Don't forget the obligatory :please drink responsibly" slogan at the end.

Re:Bud Light Presents... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699386)

Why should he? It seems to me that heavy drinking is a prerequisite to desiring Vista.

Parent Post Funny (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699292)

Nice Post. It would've taken me till January to write such brilliance. And you did it in a matter of minutes. Karma onward!

Re:Bud Light Presents... (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699327)

I so VERY want to hear that one on the radio... submit it to the beer company to see if they'll do it! Maybe they'll play it for G4 TV or something.

Hoping? (4, Funny)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699178)

Well, I'm hoping for a pair of brunettes and a sports car, but it's not happening. I don't know how Bill Gates can even estimate the chance at this point. He says that it keeps getting sent back from testing.


Windows Vista = new Windows();
Vista.announceWayTooEarlyReleaseDate()
Vista.test();

public void test()
{
test();
}

Here's how... (1)

NotQuiteReal (608241) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699239)

I don't know how Bill Gates can even estimate... Maybe he uses this [microsoft.com] ?

Re:Hoping? (3, Funny)

smbarbour (893880) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699304)

Well there's the problem right there: You forgot the semicolon after announceWayTooEarlyReleaseDate()

It keeps crashing before it can get to the testing step.

(Oh and test() isn't defined as a method of the Windows class)

So much buildup (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699182)

So much buildup for what amounts to, after all the stuff they cut out, a Mac OS X-colored GUI and a fancy new video game engine. And they've been working on this how long?

Man, I remember 10 years ago when I was making fun of Windows 95 for not having any original ideas. I didn't know how good we had it. At least Windows 95 had some ideas, whether or not they were original-- there was at least a substantial difference from Windows 3.1. But it seems like from 2000 to XP to Vista all Microsoft's really done is move options around in confusing ways and make the window title bars increasingly elaborate.

Re:So much buildup (1)

another_fanboy (987962) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699295)

Micro$oft was even claiming Vista would be as much of a jump from XP as 95 was from 3.1. So far all I've seen of Vista is XP with a few bloated toys.

80% chance for a release means... (1)

QuietLagoon (813062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699237)

...a 1 in 5 chance that Vista won't be released In January 2007.

How long has this operating system been due now?

Re:80% chance for a release means... (2, Interesting)

avirrey (972127) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699299)

"Bill Gates said Tuesday there was an 80 percent chance the company's next-generation operating system, Vista, would be ready in January." "We've got to get this absolutely right," Gates said. "If the feedback from the beta tests shows it is not ready for prime time, I'd be glad to delay it." *** In other words, we already know we 'again' can't make the January timeline, but I will use the quality pretext to launch it in 2008. We would, although, like to keep 80% of the investors for now... please...

180 billion to reimplement for vista? (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699244)

So by saying that 3rd parties are spending 20x9 billion, Mr. Gates tells us all that reimplementing for Vista will cost us 180 billion dollars... Ouch!

Re:180 billion to reimplement for vista? (2, Informative)

nizo (81281) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699281)

Nice; keep in mind that if a country had $180 billion GDP, it would rank in the top 50 countries in the world.

What year? (1)

ManoSinistra (983539) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699252)

January 2007, or January 2008?

Here's one PC user who is seriously thinking about getting a Macbook.

Happy holidays! (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15699266)

"He is also hopeful that the next version of Office will ship in December."

Oh man, now he's resorting to asking Santa...

Re:Happy holidays! (1)

castoridae (453809) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699323)

Well, I hear Santa outsources his elves in the offseason...

yes but... (4, Funny)

owlnation (858981) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699293)

...which January?

8 - 9 BILLION? (3, Funny)

gatkinso (15975) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699303)

How does one spend that much money writing code?

Well, OK, when you write it over and over and over again....

Vista? January? (0, Troll)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699316)

What about right now? My co-workers are all running Vista on their Intel 64-bit desktops with the incredible Aero enhancements. I have to say that this is probably the best Windows EVAR. It even gives Mac OS X a run for it's money but that might be going too far. Fortunately, I use Enlightenment [get-e.org] on 64-bit Gentoo so I've been running with all these features for the past three years. But, it's nice to know that the rest of the world is catching on to what's possible.

Re:Vista? January? (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699387)

Have you actually used it? There may be a ton under the hood that has changed, but up front, I find myself sitting here wondering if this just isn't XP with a different skin. It really isn't a worthy upgrade after using it. And certainly nothing like OSX on any sense of scale. They will need to really push why people need to upgrade because visually, i'm not seeing it.

Re:Vista? January? (1, Troll)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699458)

Really? What about the tranclucent menus and their thing that works like the retarded cousin of Mac OS X Dashboard? Those are leaps beyond Windows XP. There's also the completely new Alt-Tab switching with thumbnails of the applications and the ability to turn windows on their side with labels on the windows. You can even make notes on the back of windows. That's not different from 2K or XP? Really?

Re:Vista? January? (1)

oyenstikker (536040) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699459)

E17 looks really nice. I ran it for a few days. But its pre-alpha. Having cool feautes is worth nothing when you have to restart your WM every hour. I know it will get there, and be really nice when it does, but comparing features of pre-alpha development software with production releases is not helpful to anybody.

xyz likely to be ready in mm/yy (1)

wanchai (639398) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699317)

xyz and mm/yy isn't important. how ready is the key. and with his emphasize of testing. maybe Bill is talking about "vista is ready to be tested (by a small group, or by the public) by jan 200x."

i have high hope that statement will come true eventually. anyone want to wagar?

80% chance (1)

another_fanboy (987962) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699326)

When the wetherman says there is an 80% chance of rain, nothing happens. Is he now a Microsoft consultant?

No slam-dunk features (1)

sco_robinso (749990) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699336)

I'm a windows user through and through, and this is the first Microsoft OS in a while that just doesn't excite me at all. There's just isn't the usual 2 or 3 slam-dunk features which sell me on the OS.

-I don't need a spanky, glossy interface.
-I don't need windows popping up all the time telling me something is making a minor change to my OS.
-Some of the minor features like System Volume Shadow Copy service is nice for some of the computers in my office for backing up of 'always-used' files, but for Joe windows user, I don't even think they'll know what it is or how to turn it on.

I will be very interested to see how successful vista is. Besides a bit of a cleaner and better UI, there just isn't anything to sell me, or anyone, on vista.

Sneer if you like (5, Insightful)

DysenteryInTheRanks (902824) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699345)

He said the company's software partners, in developing and adapting their own products for the two launches, would invest 20 times as much as Microsoft

Right there is why Microsoft is the most successful software company in the world -- respect for developers.

It's all well and good to laugh at Steve Ballmer sweating like an ape on a stage and shouting about developers. It's fine to feel smug and superior using Mac OS or Linux (I'm using both write now myself).

But Microsoft has always respected the work of developers coding to their platform. Backward compatibility is a religion at Microsoft, by all accountts. Which is good because they're, um, a platform vendor.

Sounds simple, but it is amazing how often this is screwed up. Apple is notorious for breaking old programs that didn't interpret the Mac API just right -- or that relied on a technology fad Apple pumped and abandoned (OpenDoc, QuickDraw GX, Publish + Subscribe, etc etc).

Apache Foundation did the same thing moving from httpd v1 to v2 -- PHP took quite a long time to move over and at one point was telling people not to even try using it with v2.

Firefox seems to do it on every release with its extensions.

Backward compatibility might not give warm fuzzies to the systems programmers -- it is hard, inelegant work. But it is a boon to users and application programmers.

I only use Linux on the server, where I don't run into backward compatibility issues, but from what I understand the drivers often have to be rewritten from release to release.

I'm not in love with Windows or Microsoft, but I will continue using their OS becase of the sheer range of CHOICES in terms of software and hardware, and the fact that all my old stuff can migrate to a new machine.

So go ahead, laugh at Microsoft, har dee har, "u r d3layed AG@1N!" For your purposes -- programming, running a server -- Linux may be the best. Or Mac OS X for that plus video editing, publishing, and other tasks and price points that don't require the full diversity of Wintel.

  But for most computer users, Windows offers wins because of its compatibility with an incredibly array of cheap hardware and an incredible back (and forward) catalog of software. Microsoft knows this, and THAT'S why they are going to wait until Vista is just right. Yes they screwed the pooch, but they are attempting something that neither Linux nor OS X can touch.

Re:Sneer if you like (2, Funny)

CrazyBusError (530694) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699412)

"I'm using both write now myself"

Well, you certainly seem to be using the new macbook keyboard...

Leopard in December (1)

tehcatisdead (971841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699357)

Woohoo! If Vista ships in January, that means we'll get Leopard by Christmas!

Jan (3, Funny)

xming (133344) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699375)

There will 1/12 chance that Vista will be released in January, not 4/5.

Why a new version of Office? (1)

thisissilly (676875) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699426)

Other than to have a gratuitous incompatible format change to force people to upgrade, why do people need a new version of MS Office?

Seriously, I am curious, if you are an Office user, what features are you missing that you would be willing to upgrade for?

Who is he kidding? (1)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699433)

We've got to get this absolutely right

No joke, after making us wait this long for it. If you'd gotten it out sooner, the expectations would have been easier to meet.

"investing $8 billion to $9 billion in developing" (2, Funny)

Il128 (467312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699448)

What an amazing waste of money. Seriously, to end up with something that will actually make Microsoft software look worse, less secure, less productive and slower... I'm pretty sure I could do that for a measly billion dollars.

They are holding out til consent decree is up (1, Interesting)

mgpeter (132079) | more than 8 years ago | (#15699481)

Windows is too much of a cash cow for Microsoft to be taking this long between releases - Microsoft is simply stalling until the Antitrust settlement is up, rather than actually change their business ethics. Here is a snip from wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_antitrust_c ase [wikipedia.org]

Microsoft's obligations under the settlement, as originally drafted, expire on November 12, 2007. [13] However, Microsoft later "agreed to consent to a two-year extension of part of the Final Judgments" dealing with communications protocol licensing, and that if the plaintiffs later wished to extend those aspects of the settlement even as far as 2012, it would not object. The plaintiffs made clear that the extension was intended to serve only to give the relevant part of the settlement "the opportunity to succeed for the period of time it was intended to cover", rather than being due to any "pattern of willful and systematic violations". The court has yet to approve the change in terms as of May 2006.[14]

The extension will only cover "communications protocol licensing" - if it ever gets approved.
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