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ReactOS Reviewed in Depth

timothy posted more than 8 years ago | from the reactionary-seems-a-fair-description dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "NeoSmart Technologies has an incredibly detailed (6 long pages!) and mostly positive review of ReactOS, The Open Source Windows. The review covers the goals of ReactOS and how well it meets them, system stability, application compatibility, kernel design and development, and the networking stack. It discusses the use of WINE in ReactOS' kernel and the effect on both its compatibility and development times." For the visual learners, here are some screenshots."

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Picture gallery toasted (1, Funny)

flynns (639641) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712646)

Yep, it's a Windows clone alright. Slashdotted before a single comment ;)

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Error
Error (ERROR_STORAGE_FAILURE) :

        * in modules/core/classes/GalleryStorage.class at line 236 (gallerycoreapi::error)
        * in modules/core/classes/GalleryStorage.class at line 465 (mysqlstorage::_getconnection)
        * in modules/core/classes/Gallery.class at line 239 (mysqlstorage::search)
        * in modules/core/classes/helpers/GalleryFileSystemEnti tyHelper_simple.class at line 110 (gallery::search)
        * in modules/core/classes/GalleryCoreApi.class at line 1968 (galleryfilesystementityhelper_simple::fetchchildi dbypathcomponent)
        * in modules/core/classes/helpers/GalleryFileSystemEnti tyHelper_simple.class at line 62 (gallerycoreapi::fetchchildidbypathcomponent)
        * in modules/core/classes/GalleryCoreApi.class at line 1911 (galleryfilesystementityhelper_simple::fetchitemid bypath)
        * in modules/rewrite/classes/RewriteSimpleHelper.class at line 48 (gallerycoreapi::fetchitemidbypath)
        * in ??? at line 0 (rewritesimplehelper::loaditemidfrompath)
        * in modules/rewrite/classes/RewriteUrlGenerator.class at line 96
        * in modules/rewrite/classes/parsers/modrewrite/ModRewr iteUrlGenerator.class at line 48 (modrewriteurlgenerator::_onload)
        * in init.inc at line 111 (modrewriteurlgenerator::init)
        * in main.php at line 71

Re:Picture gallery toasted (1)

bheer (633842) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712775)

You were probably joking, but that server's running some flavor of Unix (Netcraft doesn't say what) and MySQL/PHP, but it's still somehow Windows' fault? Slashdot logic indeed. In the meantime, MySpace became the most-visited site on the 'net running Windows servers.

Re:Picture gallery toasted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712966)

Have you ever used Myspace? Every other page generates an error. It's slow as hell....Windows is amazing!

Re:Picture gallery toasted (5, Funny)

Macthorpe (960048) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713004)

You obviously have used Myspace, which disqualifies you from rational argument.

Re:Picture gallery toasted (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15713136)

From www.reactos.org HTTP/1.1 headers:

Server: Apache/2.0.54 (Fedora)
X-Powered-By: PHP/5.0.4

Out of date Apache and PHP (both with known security exploits).

Also running on that unstable and unreliable abomination of an OS known as Fedora.

What is there to ReactTo? (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712656)

I am ReactIng right now to the fact the servers are down...

Too late? (4, Interesting)

gasmonso (929871) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712661)

While I find the idea of an open source Windows facinating... is it too late? With Vista coming out soon, many new applications written will only run on Vista because of the new architecture, driver model, etc. ReactOS seems like it will be stuck in the past catering to XP applications/games while Vista goes forward. Since most people already have XP who would use this? Or will ReactOS emulate Vista? No, this is not a troll post, but a legit question.

http://religiousfreaks.com/ [religiousfreaks.com]

Re:Too late? (3, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712695)

While I find the idea of an open source Windows facinating... is it too late?

At the very least, it will be useful for corporations using current win32 stuff who don't want to migrate to vista when XP eols.

(similar to samba really only fulling supporting domains close to NTs eol)

Re:Too late? (1, Insightful)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712748)

corperations? So when XP no longer is supported a coperation will switch to a system thats not 1005 compatabile or very tested and also not supported? Somehow I doubt that.

Re:Too late? (4, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712840)

a coperation will switch to a system thats not 1005 compatabile or very tested and also not supported?

Somehow I doubt that.


*snort* - I bet you said the same thing about linux (or samba, or bsd, or whatever) back in the day hey? :-)

Don't forget - XP will get extended support from MS for seven years after Vista's release. In the unlikely event Vista is released tomorrow (or hell, even Janurary), its still going to be plenty of time for ReactOS to get tested, support options, improve compatability, etc.

Re:Too late? (4, Interesting)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712734)

Look on the bright side, at least ReactOS went somewhere. It may be kind of late in starting, but it was fairly well managed from the beginning. Contrast that with the FreeDows project, the secretive brainchild of a whiz-kid who bit off more than he could chew. The end result? Absolutely nothing.

At least with ReactOS, it's likely to live on in some form as it's already useful to many people. (Fringe cases or not.) Even if it stays behind the Windows curve, it will be one more product nipping at Microsoft's heels.

Re:Too late? (0, Offtopic)

BecomingLumberg (949374) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713227)

I agree- at least they went somewhere. Ubuntu could really learn something from this. It is very easy to use, yes, but would items like mp3 support out of the box hurt them? Sure, to a current linux user who has tons of .oggs, it makes sense, who needs mp3. But to a new Joe-schmoe convert with gigs of mp3s, having to figure it out is going to be a tough first day when he wants some tunes to listen to as he downloads his nvidia driver.

Re:Too late? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15713382)

Too late in starting? They began in 98, even earlier if you count the preceding project.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReactOS [wikipedia.org]

If you consider the narrowness of the gap between Win98 and Vista, compared to the hyped-up predictions, they really have gone a long way.

Granted, there would be a lot less progress made without the Wine contributions, but still. A working reimplementation of any closed, commercial product is great.

This project will help everyone:
* Businesses who still(!!) have legacy Win16 and NT apps
* Microsoft: Fewer 98/NT clients to support, with them having moved to Wine/Linux, ReactOS, or MacOS
* Free Software supporters

I don't know if it will be nipping at their heels so much as taking up any slack Microsoft has to look back on and cornering them more and more into Vista.

Between Wine, CrossOver, ReactOS, Parallels, BootCamp, etc., removing Microsoft's hold on 98/NT/2K legacy technologies, and Microsoft shooting themselves in their feet over Vista, they have no choice but to crawl out into the Xbox/MediaCenter and out of the Server and Datacenter, which is where they belong, and have been trying to get to since Bob and their first Joystick.

Re:Too late? (3, Interesting)

nine-times (778537) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713422)

Even if it stays behind the Windows curve, it will be one more product nipping at Microsoft's heels.

It's not as thought that curve is very steep. When's the last time a new version of Windows added a feature you've actually used? For me, I think it was Windows 2000, and that feature was "not built on DOS".

Re:Too late? Are You Serious?!?!?! (5, Insightful)

Nom du Keyboard (633989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712747)

With Vista coming out soon, many new applications written will only run on Vista because of the new architecture, driver model, etc.

That seems like a really careless statement on your part. Are you saying that virtually all new applications are being written for an OS that you can't even buy for 6 more months? Boy that's sure going to put a dent in the next 2 quarters earning statements for every major software company.

Oh, and btw, are they writing for 32-bit Vista, or 64-bit Vista?

Re:Too late? (4, Interesting)

TractorBarry (788340) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712751)

If I can run Logic Audio, the Audiowerk 8 driver and Sound Forge on top of it then I'm definitely interested.

My primary use for my Windows box is for running Windows audio/MIDI related tools and I'd love to have an open source platform to run them on. Especially if I could strip the OS to the bare minimum that's required to run the hardware & software I want to use (i.e. complete control of which services are running, what's started at boot time etc)

As support for the Windows version of Logic Audio was discontinued I'm even keener to have an open source OS that can run these apps. I'm running Windows 2000 and will not be upgrading to XP/Vista etc. under any circumstances (too many friends/colleagues with too many problems). My current combintaion of Windows 2000 and Logic etc. allows me to get on with making music and I'm happy to stay this way but will have to face the fact that eventually support for Windows 2000 will cease.

And no I'm not going to switch to a MAC. Emagic pulled the rug from under me once (just after I'd paid for an upgrade) so I Learnnt my lesson the hard way. The only way I will ever buy commercial software again is it it comes with the source so can be supported by third parties/myself when thhe manufacturer decides to take their ball home.

Of course I'd love to be able to do what I can currently do on my Windows box using equivalent Linux tools bu sadly there is nothing yet to compare to Logic Logic. (and yes I have tried Rosegarden, Audacity, Ardour etc. etc.)

So I for one hope ReactOS goes from strength to strength.

History (4, Informative)

dpaton.net (199423) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712940)

And no I'm not going to switch to a MAC. Emagic pulled the rug from under me once (just after I'd paid for an upgrade) so I Learnnt my lesson the hard way.

Actually, Apple bought Emagic and killed the PC version. Emagic didn't really have a choice once they'd been bought. The odds of Logic working on a Mac for a long long time are better than they ever were on a PC. Not to say you should get a Mac, just trying to clarify the history.

As for me, I'm still pining for the long gone Studio Vision Pro. Gibson...now there's a company to hate.

Re:History (1)

Perl-Pusher (555592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713604)

Gibson...now there's a company to hate. Can't agree more there. They are the most expensive "average" instruments I've seen. I work in a guitar store part time repairing guitars and setting them up. I've seen Korean made PRS guitars with the same quality and 1/4 to 1/8 the cost! We have a gibson mandolin that cost $11,000, we also sell two $1,000 Michael Kelly mandolins that are the same construction quality and to me sound better.

Re:Too late? (1)

sumi-manga (948999) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712964)

(i.e. complete control of which services are running, what's started at boot time etc)

Uh... services.msc and msconfig?

Re:Too late? (1)

amazon10x (737466) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713019)

Just thought I would let you know that Windows 2000 (OS which the GP is running), does not have msconfig.

Re:Too late? (2, Informative)

rts008 (812749) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713101)

True, but the XP version of MSCONFIG can be copied to W2K and will then work just fine. Usually MSCONFIG is found in c:\windows directory in XP, just copy to removeable media, go to W2K box, insert media and copy to C:\windows directory- don't even have to reboot amazinly enough- it just works!
(can also be moved across network, whatever)

Re:Too late? (2, Informative)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713232)

It also doesn't do anything you can't do yourself trivially with regedit. IIRC the various places programs are run from are all called "run" (the keys) and they're stored under something like HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE (or _CURRENT_USER, etc etc) Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Run ... might have been \Windows NT\... or something, I forget. Also Spybot S&D has a tool to disable startup services, though of course it doesn't allow you to create new ones. You can make non-service programs into services with a program which (again, IIRC) is called Fireburner.

Re:Too late? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15713297)

But regedit is uncomfortable. The tools you mention are bloated and require installation.

Should you need to advocate again on this subject, please suggest Autoruns [sysinternals.com] instead.

Re:Too late? (1)

gQuigs (913879) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713074)

Will this do what you want? Particularly Rose Garden? http://www.dynebolic.org/ [dynebolic.org]

Re:Too late? (1)

TractorBarry (788340) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713204)

Sadly it doesn't. I've tried Dyne::bolic, Agnula, etc. and it's not that the tools aren't there, it's just they're not all as well integrated or as "usable" as Logic is.

I have also tried Rosegarden and whilst it's quite good it is more like a cut down Cubase. No disrespect to the devlopers but it's not in the same class as Logic (but given time...)

My best hope currently is that Ardour will get full MIDI support but I haven't got any cash to fund the development so I'll just have to wait (like everyone else)

Re:Too late? (1)

element-o.p. (939033) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713147)

Of course I'd love to be able to do what I can currently do on my Windows box using equivalent Linux tools bu sadly there is nothing yet to compare to Logic Logic. (and yes I have tried Rosegarden, Audacity, Ardour etc. etc.)
Really? You couldn't get Rosegarden and Audacity to do what you need? Like you, I'm also into music in a big way, and I've been really happy with those two products. On a pretty low-end machine (500MHz Celeron, 384MB RAM on Slackware 9.1), I was able to lay down five stereo tracks of audio with Audacity before latency required me to bounce them into a single stereo track. Even at that, the recordings were fine, but the playback while recording was a little choppy :)

Just out of curiosity, what kind of problems were you having?

Also, since audio processing can be pretty demanding of your hardware, I'd be surprised if you can get the performance you want under an OS that was using Wine for compatibility. I haven't tried it, so I could be wrong, but I wouldn't expect outstanding performance while using software to emulate another OS and then running resource intensive software on top of that...assuming, of course that Wine will even run the software you want to use.

Re:Too late? (2, Informative)

TractorBarry (788340) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713265)

When I use Logic I regularly use 20 audio tracks (all with eq), several effects (on individual tracks plus some used as bus effects), several virtual instruments plus anything up to 20 MIDI tracks.

And this is all done on a machine with an Athlon XP2100 processor, 1Gb RAM, a 45 Gb system disk and a 250 Gb data disk. If memory serves me well the largest project I created had something like 30 audio tracks before I start to get glitches. Bouncing tracks is also not an option as I occassionally need to take projects into a "proper" studio where we run it over into a Mac running Pro Tools (it's easiest to do a real time dub of 8 audio tracks at a time as the loss in quality from the analogue bounce is so small as to be practically unnoticable)

And it's not so much that I've had problems, it's just that there's nothing currently on Linux that seems to do the whole integrated MIDI/Audio/Effects as well as Logic.

Re:Too late? (1)

molarmass192 (608071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713374)

From what I've seen, there's nothing on Windows that does what Logic Pro does either. That said, Logic Pro is incredibly deep and 90% of it is beyond what most amateur musicians simply recording tracks would use.

Re:Too late? (2, Funny)

chad.koehler (859648) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713321)

Not that I disagree, but WINE is not an emulator.

Nope, not too late (0, Flamebait)

Weaselmancer (533834) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712759)

Go to CompUSA and look on the shelves. Tell me what you see.

Re:Too late? (2, Insightful)

aymanh (892834) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712766)

It's never too late, NES emulators are still being used to this day for example. Even after the release of Vista, many will still need to run legacy Win32 apps, and when ReactOS matures, I think some users will prefer an actively-developed OS over one at the end of its life cycle.

Just a thought.

Re:Too late? (2, Insightful)

orasio (188021) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712777)

There is actually no need to change to msvista, because most people won't do it.
But MS will try and force them to do it. When MS end-of-lifes winxp, they will have a supported replacement.
Even right now, MS support for XP is no good, for some people who are concerned with security and stuff. With a non proprietary solution, support is a free market, and you are not stuck with the same provider that keep giving you the shaft.
_If_ ReactOS ever comes to be a viable solution, it would be much more sensible migration path than going to msvista, if only because you would have a choice for support, and you wouldn't be subject to MS marketing decisions about the life of your installations.

Re:Too late? (2, Insightful)

IDontAgreeWithYou (829067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712872)

There may not be a need to go to Vista but most people will do it. ReactOS will never be a sensible migration path. You either stay with Windows or you go to something else. No corporation would go to some OS that is a kludgey combination of both!

Re:Too late? (2, Informative)

smallpaul (65919) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712803)

With Vista coming out soon, many new applications written will only run on Vista because of the new architecture, driver model, etc

Many applications only removed Windows 98 support this year. Applications can't target Microsoft's latest and greatest immediately. They have to target the installed base for several years.

Re:Too late? (2, Insightful)

Helios1182 (629010) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713198)

Which means we may see applications that use the proper user privileges at last. Gone are the days of running as an "admin" under 98. Now companies should be able to expect user level rights and write code that respects them.

Re:Too late? (2, Insightful)

bazorg (911295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712848)

Since most people already have XP who would use this? Or will ReactOS emulate Vista? No, this is not a troll post, but a legit question. This question is as legit as that one that shows up frequently around here: What are the good reasons for people to upgrade to Vista? Having WIN32 compatibility without getting the DRM,and inside properly protected userspace are good enough reasons to want ReactOS instead of Vista...

Not soon enough! (3, Insightful)

DigitAl56K (805623) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712864)

A free Windows-compatible OS which is not encumbered with all kinds of DRM, backdoors, phone home security updates, Internet Explorer, has native support for all the device drivers that Windows supports, and means that I don't have to learn Linux / migrate all of my current software practices? How can this possibly be too late?

Personally I'd far sooner consider ReactOS than any of the other much touted Linux alternatives. Will that buy me brownie points on /. ? Maybe not, but it's probably true for most people.

DRM is Microsoft's secret weapon (1, Insightful)

CustomDesigned (250089) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713068)

Sure, you can run your open source Windows or Linux OS. But you can't view any of the new DRM media without Microsoft. Of course, even with Microsoft, you can only view the new media when and where they let you. Open source software is only half the answer. Without open content, people will still be compelled to remain a Microsoft slave. Creative commons content is as important as open source software at this point in the war against the Evil Empire.

Very soon, DRM media will include documents created with evil software like Microsoft Office. It won't be simply a matter of decoding undocumented file formats. Reading MSOffice documents without Microsoft software will require cracking the encryption. One can only hope they stay true to form and screw up the encryption as badly as the DVD format. But I wouldn't count on it.

Another defense against DRM office is the movement to require open formats for government documents. That is throwing a monkey wrench into Microsoft's evil plots. If Microsoft is forced to support a way to write readable documents (as inconviently as possible, of course), then at least it will be possible for Microsoft users to send readable documents.

Re:Too late? (4, Interesting)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712882)

is it too late? With Vista coming out soon

ReactOS started as a win95 clone, and yet it incorporates features in Windows XP. It can as well be extended to support vista features (and as we've seen, Vista still has a lot of the XP kernel code). IIRC there's a feature request in ReactOS for virtualization.

I hope that with the recent events happening in Europe, Microsoft will be forced to document the API for Windows Vista, so ReactOS can be more competition.

Most people DON'T need the latest advancements in the Windows OS, they just want it to do their spreadsheets and letter writing. Many of those still use Win98, they don't have the money to upgrade to XP, and with the support dropped for 98, they might as well conform the perfect userbase for ReactOS.

And with the ghost of Genuine Advantage approaching, i think ReactOS will make its debut just in time. When it's finished, the people who are using pirated copies of XP will probably switch instantly.

Because, why stick with a (buggy and virus-prone) pirated version of Windows, when you can have a legal one, for the same price (free)? :)

Re:Too late? (3, Informative)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712988)

ReactOS started as a win95 clone, and yet it incorporates features in Windows XP

Not really. It started as an NT4 clone. Then they started adding features only found in NT5 (Win2K) and now they're also adding things in NT5.1 (WinXP). Note that they still don't have a full drop-in replacement for NT4 though. Not to knock the ReactOS team; there aren't very many of them, and what they have achieved is incredible.

Cloning operating systems seems to be a popular pass time in the F/OSS community. We have UNIX clones, a Windows clone, an Amiga clone, and even a BeOS clone. It's a shame no one is working anything VMS or QNX-like though...

Re:Too late? (3, Informative)

middlemen (765373) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713331)

It's a shame no one is working anything VMS or QNX-like though...

FreeVMS exists at http://freevms.free.fr/indexGB.html [freevms.free.fr] .

Re:Too late? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712885)

"ReactOS seems like it will be stuck in the past catering to XP applications/games while Vista goes forward."

Vista is going forward? Really?

Re:Too late? (1)

dbc001 (541033) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713094)

Are you kidding? As soon as it supports the major Windows Apps without crashing, I'm switching. I'm still running Windows 2000 and I cringe at the thought of upgrading to XP, and Vista sounds even worse!

Re:Too late? (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713124)

Do you just keep cutting and pasting this message over and over every couple of years?

When Wine first started:
"While I find the idea of an open source Windows facinating... is it too late? With Windows 95 coming out soon, many new applications written will only run on Windows 95 because of the new architecture, driver model, etc. Wine seems like it will be stuck in the past catering to Win3.11 applications/games while Windows goes forward. Since most people already have Win3.11 who would use this? Or will Wine emulate Windows 95? No, this is not a troll post, but a legit question."

Then later
"While I find the idea of an open source Windows facinating... is it too late? With Windows XP/2000 coming out soon, many new applications written will only run on Windows XP/2000 because of the new architecture, driver model, etc. Wine seems like it will be stuck in the past catering to Windows 98/3.11 applications/games while Windows goes forward. Since most people already have Windows 98 who would use this? Or will Wine emulate Windows XP/2000? No, this is not a troll post, but a legit question."

Now you updated it again

Re:Too late? (1)

Thinman (59679) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713192)

Not so,

Remeber MS has halted support on 9x,me so ReactOS would be a good replacement in wintage hardware. I think some 180 millions of computers world wide.

Regards

Ars is less positive (5, Informative)

ZachPruckowski (918562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712665)

Ars Review [arstechnica.com]

They basically say it runs Firefox and Solitaire, but that's it. "Lots of promise, but needs work".

Re:Ars is less positive (4, Funny)

Adelbert (873575) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712680)

They basically say it runs Firefox and Solitaire I reckon the vast majority of Windows users use a web browser and a solitaire game more than any other applications.

Re:Ars is less positive (5, Funny)

Smidge204 (605297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712890)

No Freecell? Screw that.

=Smidge=

Re:Ars is less positive (3, Informative)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712788)

It may run firefox and solitaire, but have you tried to install drivers on it? It's not a fun process. :(

Some (many) drivers consist of:

  - install driver on a Windows box
  - Track down all dependencies, registry entries, COM component registrations, etc.
  - Move all those components to the ReactOS box

I started working on an AiW install on ReactOS but it was too time-consuming to finish for a system I just wanted to play around with a little bit.

What they need to work on is making sure that drivers can be installed using the native installers, then more people will come and get involved in the project, even if only to provide feedback.

But there's more! (1)

peipas (809350) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712828)

Don't forget it also runs Photoshop 3!! [reactos.org]

DOH (1)

Spy der Mann (805235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712906)

What did they expect with version 0.3.0? It's not even Beta quality yet.

BSOD too... (5, Funny)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712669)

It has BSOD too [neosmart.net]

Now I call that 100% compatible;)

Re:BSOD too... (1)

Lord of Hyphens (975895) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713008)

It has BSOD too [neosmart.net]
/.ed. Go go roving DDoS that is /.

Re:BSOD too... (1)

noidentity (188756) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713056)

<p>Too bad the webserver BSOD'd before I could see ReactOS's BSOD:

<p><b>Warning</b>: mysql_pconnect(): User neosmart_gall has already more than 'max_user_connections' active connections in <b>/home/neosmart/public_html/gallery/lib/adodb/dr ivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php</b> on line <b>373</b><br />
<h2>Error</h2>Error (ERROR_STORAGE_FAILURE) : <ul><li><b>in</b> modules/core/classes/GalleryStorage.class <b>at line</b> 236 (gallerycoreapi::error) </li><li><b>in</b> modules/core/classes/GalleryStorage.class <b>at line</b> 465 (mysqlstorage::_getconnection) </li><li><b>in</b> modules/core/classes/Gallery.class <b>at line</b> 239 (mysqlstorage::search) </li><li><b>in</b> modules/core/classes/helpers/GalleryFileSystemEnti tyHelper_simple.class <b>at line</b> 110 (gallery::search) </li><li><b>in</b> modules/core/classes/GalleryCoreApi.class <b>at line</b> 1968 (galleryfilesystementityhelper_simple::fetchchildi dbypathcomponent) </li><li><b>in</b> modules/core/classes/helpers/GalleryFileSystemEnti tyHelper_simple.class <b>at line</b> 62 (gallerycoreapi::fetchchildidbypathcomponent) </li><li><b>in</b> modules/core/classes/GalleryCoreApi.class <b>at line</b> 1911 (galleryfilesystementityhelper_simple::fetchitemid bypath) </li><li><b>in</b> modules/rewrite/classes/RewriteSimpleHelper.class <b>at line</b> 48 (gallerycoreapi::fetchitemidbypath) </li><li><b>in</b> ??? <b>at line</b> 0 (rewritesimplehelper::loaditemidfrompath) </li><li><b>in</b> modules/rewrite/classes/RewriteUrlGenerator.class <b>at line</b> 96</li><li><b>in</b> modules/rewrite/classes/parsers/modrewrite/ModRewr iteUrlGenerator.class <b>at line</b> 48 (modrewriteurlgenerator::_onload) </li><li><b>in</b> init.inc <b>at line</b> 111 (modrewriteurlgenerator::init) </li><li><b>in</b> main.php <b>at line</b> 71</li></ul>

The one time! (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712670)

The one time i plan to read the article the server is down who would of thought it.

ReactOS and WINE (1, Interesting)

slashdot-jake (986859) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712675)

In case anyone doesn't know. The ReactOS project works closely with WINE. They are implementing the API from WINE on a replica of the Windows 2000 kernel.

This means that both Windows drivers and applications will work natively without any changes. They seem to have come on leaps and bounds in the past year with many applications working straight away (OpenOffice, Abiword, mIRC, Unreal Tournament, InfranView, PuTTY as some). Once they start implementing some of the security features then there will be another viable alternative.

In the future I can imagine ReactOS coming on a CD with OpenOffice, Apache etc, much like Linux distributions do, which creates an easy migration path:

Windows + Apps -> Windows + OSS Apps -> ReactOS + OSS Apps then then off to a Linux or *BSD varient if you want.

Re:ReactOS and WINE (2, Interesting)

Vorondil28 (864578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712712)

Windows + Apps -> Windows + OSS Apps -> ReactOS + OSS Apps then then off to a Linux or *BSD varient if you want.

What?!? Why the step from one implementation of Windows to another? The point of ReactOS is to be a free (as in beer and speech) replacement of Windows, not a stepping-stone of some kind. I can understand getting acquainted with OSS apps on Windows before diving into Unix, but switching to ReactOS along the way would be redundant and a waste of time.

Re:ReactOS and WINE (2, Informative)

mabhatter654 (561290) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712954)

Windows + Apps -> Windows + OSS Apps -> ReactOS + OSS Apps then then off to a Linux or *BSD varient if you want.
The first "step" isn't really a step at all, it's migrating your current PC from Windows-only, proprietary software to cross-platform Open Source Software. Then when you're tired of dealing with "the Man" (or when windows activation refuses your legal code, again) you can just switch to free React OS that will be able to run the few Windows-only things you have left.

As a side note, Windows 2000 compatible is more than enough. There are still very few XP only applications out there on the store shelves. Getting ReactOS up to speed may be just the push OSS needs. Now developers can QA against something relatively similar to windows, and OSS benifits because they share the code with WINE. I think the very best course of action would be to start building distros that can virtualize Linux and ReactOS without dual booting. Then you'd have an even better version of what OSX has in Parallels. ...But FREE !!

Re:ReactOS and WINE (2, Interesting)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713316)

I think the very best course of action would be to start building distros that can virtualize Linux and ReactOS without dual booting
I think you mean "get ReactOS in Xen".

Re:ReactOS and WINE (1)

Vorondil28 (864578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713384)

While that is indeed a cool idea, last I knew, the Xen port of ReactOS barfs once the kernel gets passed execution. http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/Xen_port [reactos.org] (Assuming that page is kept reasonable up-to-date.)

Re:ReactOS and WINE (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713434)

I'm sure that ReactOS will work in Xen before it reaches stability

Re:ReactOS and WINE (1)

Vorondil28 (864578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713347)

Yep. That's exactly what I said.

In your example you're using ReactOS to replace Windows for the few Windows apps you have left after jumping into Unix. The OP made it sound like (and even diagrammed it as) a linear progression; uncool.

Re:ReactOS and WINE (1)

diegocgteleline.es (653730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712821)

I doubt many people is interested in a opensource Windows - why would I care to run a open copy of a operative systems if I'm going to need binary drivers anyway?

Re:ReactOS and WINE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712975)

why would I care to run a open copy of an operating system if I'm going to need binary drivers anyway?

As a stepping stone to Linux?

Re:ReactOS and WINE (4, Insightful)

Excelsior (164338) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712936)

with many applications working straight away (OpenOffice, Abiword, mIRC, Unreal Tournament, InfranView, PuTTY as some)

When I first saw ReactOS I was very interested, at the very least as a dual-boot for apps that won't run on my Linux desktop. But what runs on it is less than interesting. Take your list:
OpenOffice - runs on Linux.
Abiword - runs on Linux.
mIRC - there are dozens of IRC clients for Linux, some of which are superior to mIRC, IMHO.
Unreal Tournament - runs on Linux.
InfranView - There are better options on Linux, IMO. The only reason I've ever used this app is because 5 years ago there were no good free image tools on Windows. Now, I even use Gimp on Windows.
PuTTY - only necessary on Windows to get at ssh servers running on *nix. ssh is supported by so many things on Linux, not the least of which is the original openssh client.

So, I'm having a hard time seeing any reason to try ReactOS out. Could someone point out something that ReactOS can run that doesn't run on Linux, and doesn't have a better option on Linux?

Re:ReactOS and WINE (3, Funny)

toleraen (831634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713028)

WGA?

Viruses? (2, Funny)

suggsjc (726146) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713047)

I mean most all of them were designed for windows anyway...

Re:ReactOS and WINE (4, Insightful)

bubkus_jones (561139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713083)

I'm pretty sure linux users are not ReactOS's main target. Their target are Windows users who want to stop using Microsoft, but find Linux/BSD too intimidating.

Of course there are more/better Linux options. For one, Linux is vastly more mature, and has a much greater user/developer base. Second, ReactOS is still in ALPHA stage. It has a ways to go before a full release worthy OS, and they (the ReactOS developers) would be the first to tell you.

react, to their servers... (3, Informative)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712691)

If you want screenshots then you can get them from the official site... http://www.reactos.org/de/screenshots.html [reactos.org]

ReactIIS (4, Funny)

_Pablo (126574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712692)

Doesn't look like their build of ReactIIS 1.0 is quite up to the load...

Re:ReactIIS (1)

Maarten Bosma (951303) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712804)

The link in this article has nothing to do with ReactOS and the ReactOS website surived previous slashdot attacts just fine. It's running under Fedora/Apache. There have been experiments with using reactos as webserver, but it was not stable at all.

Re:ReactIIS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15713064)

There have been experiments with using reactos as webserver, but it was not stable at all.

They're doing a good job of copying Windows then.

Official ReactOS Website (5, Informative)

frik85 (951295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712737)

Official ReactOS Website:
http://www.reactos.org/ [reactos.org]

Screenshots:
http://www.reactos.org/?page=screenshots [reactos.org]
http://www.reactos.org/?page=tour [reactos.org]

About ReactOS:
http://www.reactos.org/?page=about [reactos.org]
http://www.reactos.org/?page=about_whatisreactos [reactos.org]

Downloads (LiveCD, InstallCD, VM images):
http://www.reactos.org/?page=download [reactos.org]

Compatibility Database:
http://www.reactos.org/support/ [reactos.org]

Re:Official ReactOS Website (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15713608)

::Cough:: Karma Whore ::Cough::

The fonts! (2, Funny)

karji (114631) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712740)

Why didn't they use Microsoft's fonts?

Re:The fonts! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712770)

Because they're Microsoft's fonts?

Re:The fonts! (3, Informative)

jesuscyborg (903402) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712779)

Why didn't they use Microsoft's fonts?

Uhm, because Microsoft's fonts have a restrictive license that prohibits them from being included in a Free OS.

Re:The fonts! (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712878)

Uhm, because Microsoft's fonts have a restrictive license that prohibits them from being included in a Free OS.

Huh. Really? I wonder what I just emerged last month? [gentoo-portage.com]

Re:The fonts! (2, Informative)

lee7guy (659916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712995)

What part of being included is hard to comprehend?

Downloadable after installation doesn't qualify as included.

Re:The fonts! (1, Offtopic)

frik85 (951295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712781)

ReactOS does NOT use MSFT fonts! The fonts are "Bitstream Vera fonts" from http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ttf-bitstre am-vera/1.10/ [gnome.org] So do not spread BS around.

Re:The fonts! (2, Informative)

venir (971650) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712858)

He didn't say they were using MS fonts, but asked why not. Read the post before you reply to it.

Non-Slashdotted Screenshots (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712743)

Ya but... (2, Funny)

keith_nt4 (612247) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712805)

Will it run LiteStep

No, LiteStep

I said...litestep...ah forget it.

Pages (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712823)

6 long pages, as opposed to 25 pages that have half a sentence and a megabyte of ads? Excellent! Sense from website designers at last!

Eh... (3, Insightful)

Vorondil28 (864578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712969)

Lots of pages does not a good review make.

I do appreciate the lack of "punch the monkey" adds, but it's still a pretty fluffy review. To sum up:
  • Really cool idea.
  • App computability is spotty.
  • Networking blows.
  • The interface looks spiffy.
  • Project has promise.
I'm not sure if I even need to install a copy of it to write that much. I did think the insight on the development process on page two was interesting, but overall I think "ReactOS Reviewed in Depth" is a bit of an overstatement.

Have they tested on actual hardware? (3, Informative)

martinultima (832468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15712900)

Kind of a rhetorical question, but I'm kind of wondering if any reviewers have actually tested it on a real machine, rather than VMware, QEMU, etc. I've been watching it since 0.2.3 or so, and I've actually started toying around with 0.3.0-RC1 on a spare machine I have – Compaq DeskPro EP6000, PIII-650, 64MB – and have found that with, say, Notepad and Firefox running it's quite stable. Kept it up for around half an hour before I just got bored and shut it off. Doesn't yet support my video card or network, but it's still pretty nice.

My own review is on the ReactOS forums if anyone wants to know exactly what it's like – no pictures, because I haven't installed any screenshot or image manipulation software yet, but anyway... http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=20166 [reactos.org]

Anyway, just thought I might point out that it works on real machines just as well as, or in some cases even better than, on a virtual machine.

Nice review (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15712993)

Wow, this is a nice article once the pages load. I've frequented the ReactOS site before and read many pages there, including documentation and release notes. (I find release notes fascinating, do you?) The article takes an overview approach to the status of ReactOS, stating the pros and cons in a not-to-technical-but-still-interesting sort of way. Makes me want to take the time to help out the OSS community, I've always wanted to, but never had the time.

I knew the WINE project and ReactOS were tightly integrated, as the article reaffirms. It has come a long way since even just a few years ago. I look forward to seeing the new developments.

Slashdot Effect - Flashback (1)

SpanishArcher (974073) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713010)

Seems like TFA's server is having a hard time dealing with the /. visits flooding.

Anyway, would it be totally wrong to compare the creation of reactOS (and in some ways Wine) to what was done before the creation of a Posix standard?
I mean, I'm not really prepared in this kind of "ancient history" (!), yet I seem to remember there were some efforts to rev engineer the early unix syscalls in order to build compatible environments.

I hope this is not completely OT, I seem to remember having read something about this, yet I can't remember when and where (damn early-morning/late-night surfing sessions :D)

ReactOS Desktop in Linux/Wine (2, Interesting)

GodWasAnAlien (206300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713017)

I think a big step for Wine would to be able to run the ReactOS desktop.
Then a Wine Desktop could be running in its own virtual terminal.
One could also create a Wine/Linux distribution, to create another free windows development/run environment.
A Wine/Linux distribution would use Linux drivers. This currently would have an advantage over ReactOS,
as ReactOS is limited to use blob windows drivers, or a few open source drivers.

If you can successfully run the ReactOS desktop in Wine, please share. I have tried it a few times (running ROS exploerer.exe desktop in Wine), but it is not quite usable.

Win98 EOL (3, Insightful)

owlman17 (871857) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713169)

If ReactOS were only a little more stable, all these people http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/11/ 0218250 [slashdot.org] could easily make the switch almost painlessly. Compared to Linux its almost a drop-in replacement for 98.

Code Audit (1)

cdcarter (822001) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713178)

Wasn't all of reactOS put on a halt for a huge code audit, because there were suggestions that they weren't cleanroom?

Re:Code Audit (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15713217)

Yes, and the progress is linked to prominantly on the main page.

I give you an A for good memory, and a D for follow-through.

It Is SOO Obvious Gates Got To This Project TOOO (0, Troll)

Halvy (748070) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713245)


I mean come on, m$ took about 10 years to go from dos to windows, which was not exactly a big feat.


ReactOS has gone from nothing to this, in nearly 15 years... soo what is wrong with this picture?

How can it talk sooo long, to go from nowhere, to .. well, nowhere (basically)?

And ReactOS had a lot going for it from scratch.. the api's, open source freedom, no billy boy, no blinding greed, and an army of hackers/programmers ready to goto battle.

What happened to ReactOS is the same that is happening to every other possible alternative to m$.. which is, purposeful attacks by m$ by means of corrupting and jamming protects that Linux and other OSS projects are undertaking.

The proof is in the pudding, in that there can be no other reason why projects like ReactOS and most Linux distros, are STILL saddled with problems that should have been solved YEARRRS ago.

Although the m$ scheme will fall short with this ploy, as the OSS Army continues to battle on, be sure to see m$ and it's defenders (ie. the government and other large corps.) start taking legal action againt Linux and OSS in general, including us that make and use it.

There is one and only ONE way to defeat m$ and it's on going crimes.

And that is, reverse engineer all of its criminal code, and modifying it to be open source and safe, and release it on bittorent and other p2p with thousands or millions of mirrors.

This action coupled with physically aprehending gates and his supporters, along with detroying m$ facilities, where they continue to conspire with government and other officials, will be the death nill that will help set the world free from the corporate beast.

-- The 'Jewish Mafia' must and will be stoped, at all costs, no matter what, period.

ReactOS is GOD... (2, Insightful)

Khyber (864651) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713249)

Seriously, you can run most driversets! I've found it very useful (Emulators run awesomely, most of my games, too!) and very, very, VERY fast. Because of the striped down Kernel there's less CPU being used by the OS, freeing up more for other applications (Games, oh yes, GLASS)

Seriously, by the time vista comes out, People may very well start ditching Microsoft and start using ReactOS. I intend to once the next release of ReactOS comes out, at least for a nice long trial for major testing.

ReactOS - VirtualPC - Debian (3, Funny)

bigredradio (631970) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713306)

This is great. I just got Debian installed! I used ReactOS, then installed the free version of VirtualPC from microsoft, then installed Debian Sarge. Now I can use nano instead of that crappy notepad.

What about native Linux app support? (3, Interesting)

Clazzy (958719) | more than 8 years ago | (#15713496)

Would it not be highly advantageous to allow the running of Linux binaries as well? I don't have a great deal of knowledge on the subject, but wouldn't it be relatively easy to implement something like this because it's open-source code?

Fu_3ker (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15713528)

to the transmmision Short of a miracle
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