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Sony's Harrison on Sony Arrogance

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the it-is-opposite-day dept.

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Joystiq had the chance to exchange a few words with Sony's Phil Harrison at the UK Develop Conference. They asked him some hard questions about the crazy comments that have been coming out of the company since E3. From the article: "There's always going to be a risk when you are market leader for ten years that we start to lose perspective; and we have to make sure that we don't lose perspective. But I don't think we're arrogant, I think we have to recognize that we're in a highly competitive industry and that anything that we say will be eternally editorialized by professionals and consumers alike. So we're always in the spotlight." After the tape was off he snarked that he hadn't been asked very nice questions. Poor guy, having to answer questions that aren't 'How awesome is the PS3 going to be?'

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Dear Zonk (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721479)

Dear Zonk,

You are not a journalist nor a competent editorial writer. Please post your snarky comments (in response to others' snarky comments) in the comments section like I'm doing, so that they may be voted "+5, Taking potshots at the market share leader in a given field."

Re:Dear Zonk (5, Insightful)

tfurrows (541222) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721508)

And yet, in spite of Zonk's apparent lack of writing skills, hundreds of /. readers will take this opportunity to get their energy out concerning yet-another arrogant industry-leader... None of us uses slashot for the quality (or grammar) of the writing, but for the chance to participate in the mele of the comments :)

Re:Dear Zonk (1)

rehtonAesoohC (954490) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721514)

Only problem is that Zonk would be Anonymous Coward and your point is moot.

Re:Dear Zonk (0, Troll)

jizziknight (976750) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721530)

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that when AC comments like this get modded up that it was the person who modded the comment up who posted as AC?

Re:Dear Zonk (1)

VJ42 (860241) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721580)

It's been upmodded twice, so it's just you ;p

Re:Dear Zonk (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721706)

Last I knew you couldn't moderate a thread in which your IP posted an AC comment.

Re:Dear Zonk (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721721)

Thats ok, post AC from the office, Mod your comment up from home.

Or "borrow" your neighbor's open 802.11x connection. Or just fire up the ole stand-by dial-up connection.

Re:Dear Zonk (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723920)

So you think that ACs can't make up-mod-worthy comments? Curse those sub-human anonymous cowards!

Re:Dear Zonk (1)

fotbr (855184) | more than 8 years ago | (#15724012)

No, just pointing out some obvious ways to get around the "can't moderate a thread your IP appears in" bit. Nothing more than that.

^^ Phil Harrison (4, Funny)

Jakhel (808204) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721576)

log in you arrogant bastard

Re:^^ Phil Harrison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721757)

log in you arrogant bastard

Dude, its 5:30 on a Friday, I'm still at the office. I would kill for an Arrogant Bastard [arrogantbastard.com] right now.

Re:Dear Zonk (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721645)

At least there no longer is any pretense that Zonk was 'just reporting the facts' like he tried to give the impression of earlier this year with the anti-Sony FUD articles.

I'm curious if Microsoft just gave him a free 360 or might actually be paying for the stories? That sleezebag Dvorak was out whoring himself in the media in a similar way late last year.

Dear Anonymous Fanboi, (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15722041)

> Taking potshots at the market share leader in a given field

I don't give a damn if they're #1 or #100, frankly I don't like Sony due to all the crap they've been pulling of late like the rootkits.

And I'm sick of fanbois who act like "oh no, our precious Sony! they gave us the Playstation, you can't criticize them!"

Face it: Sony sucks. And I don't care how good their games are, or even if the PS3 lives up to the hype. I won't buy it because I won't endorse the things Sony has done. They "promise" not to use the patent that kills our ability to rent (or even loan!) games to others, but don't explain why they hell they bothered to patent it if that's true (umm, yeah, so our competitors can't sue us for infringing upon it when we're not, umm, going to do that! suuuurrre....) or how we can ever trust them again after the rootkit?

Re:Dear Anonymous Fanboi, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15722680)

And there is the obligatory 'ZOMG ROOTKIT' comment. Like you would honestly have purchased any of the CDs that the 'DRM' software was on. Not like that makes it better for Sony to have done it, but they s***-canned it almost immediately. Companies make mistakes. If they do it again, THEN you can crucify them.

Thanks.

Re:Dear Anonymous Fanboi, (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15723038)

Companies make mistakes. If they do it again, THEN you can crucify them.

Funny, when I was arrested for hacking back in my college days, that excuse didn't cut much ice with the prosecutor's office. Why is Sony entitled to a break? I guess if you're a huge multinational corporation, the rules are a bit different, huh?

Re:Dear Anonymous Fanboi, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15723323)

No, the difference is, your hacking was malicious in intent. Their rootkit was not. It was created for DRM purposes. Not to be used as a rootkit. In this case, they made a mistake. You willingly and maliciously broke the law. How is that the same?

If you 'accidentally' logged into your university's computer system and 'accidentally' changed something of some importance to you, that's not the same thing, bucko.

Re:Dear Anonymous Fanboi, (1)

buffer-overflowed (588867) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723319)

Funny, if I did what Sony did I'd be non-personed in some Eastern European or Turkish Prison, having all sorts of horrid things done to me*. Yet Sony as a whole and Sony's other divisions get a complete pass.

This whacky world sure be whacky and wierd.

* Alright, so I'd just be in a normal jail having horrid things done to me.

To Sum Up (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721487)

So let's see...Some guy from joystick.com does an ambush interview that basically amounts to "Do you admit that you are arrogant, Yes or No!"

And this is...news?

Re:To Sum Up (1)

Kohath (38547) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721981)

Have you watched or read the news lately? This is pure gold compared to a lot of the rest of the news.

Not about the PSP, they're not. (3, Interesting)

Rachel Lucid (964267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721493)

Hard to be arrogant when you just shelved your main media distribution [gamespot.com] ...

Re:Not about the PSP, they're not. (2, Insightful)

monopole (44023) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721767)

And instituted a yet infinitely stupider format in its place. Dropping the UMD in favor of a $60-120 memory stick which will only play one movie (out of a choice of Hitch, S.W.A.T., The Grudge, or XXX: State of the Union) at 240x320 resolution! We can rule out arrogance at this point in that it implies self preservation.

MOD PARENT DOWN (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721824)

they're offered free with the purchase of a memory stick, you dumbfuck.

UMD was always an odd duck (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721975)

I never understood who they thought would buy another copy of a movie at DVD prices just to play on the PS3. The new memory-stick system should fare no better.

If they were really smart they would have built a transcoder that downsampled DVD's to fit on a memory stick and play on the PSP, then convince the Sony movie studios not to sue themselves. The media division still has a little too much pull to let that happen, I guess.

Re:UMD was always an odd duck (1)

kannibal_klown (531544) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723240)

It was never going to be big, but the PSP movie thing had a little promise. For example if I go on a business trip and I have to pack light (or leave stuff in the overhead compartment) a PSP movie would be nice. But NOT at that price point: that was just really poor planning.

Have you stopped beating your wife? (2, Insightful)

jharv13 (836258) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721534)

Any answer Sony gives is "wrong."

"We're not arrogant" yields, "see?! Seeeeee??"

"Ok, we're arrogant" is just as stupid.

I can't imagine how joystiq figured that'd be a useful question, except in the context of badgering Sony. Why he'd set out to do that intentionally is clearly up for debate. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail, I suppose.

So, joystiq, "have you stopped badgering Sony?"

\harv
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no sig today, maybe tomorrow

Re:Have you stopped beating your wife? (1)

Burlap (615181) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721588)

agreed, this is a horid interview. Joystick set out to make sony look the fool and did a good job of making themselves look bad insted.

Now, I'm about as much of a Wii fan-girl as you're ever going to find, but I think that Mr Harrisson handled that interview with class and more civility then Joystick deserved.... I think Phil may have just got a new greese rag in the form of a t-shirt.

Re:Have you stopped beating your wife? (4, Insightful)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721593)

Any answer Sony gives is "wrong." "We're not arrogant" yields, "see?! Seeeeee??" "Ok, we're arrogant" is just as stupid. I can't imagine how joystiq figured that'd be a useful question, except in the context of badgering Sony. Why he'd set out to do that intentionally is clearly up for debate. When you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail, I suppose. So, joystiq, "have you stopped badgering Sony?
The question is relating to how he felt regarding comments of Sony's arrogance. The question moved on to how the negative comments are affecting Sony.

I don't see that as badgering Sony. It is asking relevant questions. Had the question been "Why are you so arrogant" it would have been a different story. The questions were asking for responses to accusations, not accusing in themselves.

It's not that way at all (1)

hackwrench (573697) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721640)

People like it when others confess that they have sinned, on the one hand and on the other, they occasionally like it when somone admits that they are doing something, but then say "It may not be popular, but we were right to do it". It's called having the courage of your convictions.

Have you stopped r00ting your customers? (2, Interesting)

NickFortune (613926) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721920)

"Ok, we're arrogant" is just as stupid.

Well, Sony have given some world class stupid answers lately. I think the ones that did the most damage were.

  • "Rootkit? What rootkit?"
  • "That's not a rootkit"
  • "The customers don't even know what a rootkit is why should they care?"
  • "This program removes the rootkit"
  • "OK, that was a bug. This program really removes the rootkit"

Now that was arrogance.

Is it surprising if their other business interests get tarred with the same brush? I know it changed my mind about buying a PS3. .

Re:Have you stopped beating your wife? (4, Interesting)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721935)

I don't know, I'd call the CD spyware thing arrogant. Selling portable audio players that required users to convert their entire libraries to ATRAC in order to play them is pretty arrogant. Sony thinking they could sell movie UMDs at nearly the price of the DVD counterparts was pretty arrogant, in my opinion. The DVD "+" writable standard was pretty arrogant, IMO, they didn't get accepted so they joined HP in making it anyway. I don't think the Blu-Ray standard counts as it's not a Sony format, but a format co-developed by at least a half-dozen major companies like Pioneer, Matsushita (Panasonic, JVC), and all the other hardware makers on the DVD consortium save two.

Re:Have you stopped beating your wife? (1)

Sage Gaspar (688563) | more than 8 years ago | (#15724988)

The trend in video game "journalism" these days is asking "tough" questions for the sake of asking them. If you look like you're standing up to big corporations, you'll get the preteens who equate aggressive badgering with journalism. Just last week we had an article where some asshat "game journalist" with a blog "stood up" to some stupid and non-binding PR request from Square by writing a hostile, lengthy rant about it. And it got Slashdot front page coverage, because both parties know it'll get the hits. Zonk knows when he posts an article like this he'll get hits from people who pick up on his ludicrously obvious bias, people defending him, people trying to keep a level head, people who can't resist a good flamefest, etc.

Taking potshots at Sony right now is like shooting fish in a barrel. The aggressive interviews make sense when you're trying to get tough, meaningful answers from someone that isn't obviously in a lot of trouble. Not when you have the support of the entire community on your side. In that case it's just pageantry.

Not to place the onus on the video game media exclusively, as you can also see it on FOX News any time you flip it on.

Arrogant? (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721553)

Wow, it's only July and the anti-PS3 hype is already at a fever pitch. Those latest abysmal 360 sales figures must have stung...

Your company sold 100+ million consoles on its first effort in the console market.
Your company sold 105+ million console so far in its second effort in the console market.
Your company is outselling one of your 'competitors' newest console for 6 of its first 7 months on the market with your six year old current console.
Your rival Nintendo has given up trying to compete technologically with you in their next console and is turning to gimmicks like the Wii's pointing device.

And your third console looks like this:

The $499 PS3:

1080p BluRay movies over component
BluRay Live support - additional dynamic content updates and information for movies
DNLA compliance - http://www.dlna.org/home/ [dlna.org]
1080p Games over component
20gig hardrive
Free online play for all non-MMORPG titles - confirmed over and over again by Sony
Full backwards compatibility for all PS1 titles
Full backwards compatiblity for all PS2 titles - PS2 chips included in the PS3
Linux
Online movie and music store
Webbrowsing and other desktop apps
Tilt controller
Every single developer that supported the PS2 onboard with their games for the PS3
All parts of the system except the HDMI port are upgradeable
Harddrive upgradeable with stadard store bought drives

And the $599 PS3:

60 gig harddrive
WiFi
HDMI

Arrogant? No.

Confident.

Re:Arrogant? (1)

netsavior (627338) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721608)

Seriously, Sony, no matter how much you gurella market this thing you will not win over Slashdot. Also stop copy/pasting your own posts.

Re:Arrogant? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721621)

No, Confident is releasing a console at $400 knowing that no successful console in history has ever sold for more than $300; confident is charging $10 more for games knowing that no market leading system has had $70 games in modern times. What Sony is, is beyond words; "stupid and cocky to the level which everyone will take pleasure watching them fail" comes to mind but seems to need a little more.

The facts are that the best hardware does not lead to the market leading position (something Sony should know being that they've had the worst hardware 2 generations in a row and were still successful). The PSP is a much more powerful system than the Nintendo DS yet the DS is raping the PSP in worldwide sales; the XBox and Gamecube were dramatically more powerful than the PS2 and were raped in sales by the PS2; and the N64 was far more powerful than the playstation but (once again) was raped in sales by the Playstaion.

The system that wins is (always) the system with the most high quality sofware, at an affordable price with affordable hardware. So far Sony has 0 of those three components.

Now Shut up Anonymous Coward Sony Fanboy Troll!!!

Mario 3 was $75 (1)

Myria (562655) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723888)

Mario 3 for NES debuted at $75 and that was I think 1989.

Melissa

Thanks for playing FUD (3, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721763)

Your rival Nintendo has given up trying to compete technologically with you in their next console and is turning to gimmicks like the Wii's pointing device.


Nintendo hasn't "given up trying to compete technologically", they never did in the first place. Nintendo is about games, not marketing numbers or CPU/GPU power like Microsoft or Sony. Anyone remember the PS2's "emotion engine"?

As for calling the Wii controller a "gimmick" or even a "pointing device", you don't even know what you're talking about.

Re:Thanks for playing FUD (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721819)

> Anyone remember the PS2's "emotion engine"?

And that is supposed to mean what? Clearly no one is forgetting about it since Sony just sold another 300k or so in just the US last month. The emotion engine name comes from the fact that the PS2 is divided into two halves - one half, the EE, does the behavior for game elements and the other half does the rendering of those game elements.

It's just not that hard to understand. Getting mad at a name of a part of console is bizarre.

> Nintendo is about games, not marketing numbers

Well, with the Wii there really isn't any other option

So far Wii games look incredibly 'gimmicky'. A whole lot of wiggling the Wiimote where just pressing a button would do the same thing. Nintendo really shot themselves in the foot bragging about 'innovation' for the past year.

Re:Thanks for playing FUD (1)

goarilla (908067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723834)

right on!

Nintendo games are polished, finished and just work
And so is the hardware

Re:Arrogant? (1)

Chris Tucker (302549) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721784)

I'll beleive all those tasty specs when it SHIPS with all those tasty specs.

Until then...

Remember the SONY BMG rootkit on CDs. Remember that the PSP is a locked down, closed platform. (For at least the first 72 hours after an OS upgrade is released, that is.)

Sony is not your friend. Giving Sony your money will not make them your friend.

It just makes you their bitch.

Confusing the enemy (0, Redundant)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721852)

Remember the SONY BMG rootkit on CDs.

It's hard to forget, I would never ever buy anything from... Sony/BMG.

Sony games I have no issue with in that regard.

If your brother robbed a bank, would it be OK for me to arrest you? It's not fair to punish different divisions of a company that have little to do with each other just because one made a terrible blunder.

Remember that the PSP is a locked down, closed platform.

More so than the DS? What other handheld with even the sales of the PSP (a distant second to the DS) exists and is more open?

You are just confused because homebrew people have had more success with the PSP than the DS, which makes the lows of lockdown look much starker by contrast. I agree it's annoying as I'd like to use a PSP for some custom things as well, and don't own one yet exactly because I feel it's too locked down. But I own nothing in its place either.

Re:Confusing the enemy (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15722087)

They may be 2 divisions of the same company, but they are still part of the same company. The truth is that companies attempt to build a corporate culture throughout all of their divisions; any form of morality/imorality a company displays is entirly because of this coporate culture.

Since the early 90's Sony's corporate culture has been that marketing sells a product and that the product's quality is not important; which is a drastic change from their culture in the 80's, this took time to fully accomplish but now you can rarely find a Sony product that lasts 2 years. In the past few years Sony has been adding to their wonderful culture the concept that their Consumer's rights don't matter all that matters is the bottom line.

Sony is a bartender who is charging you $10 for his watered down drink because he wants to recover the cost of the roofie he dropped into it.

Re:Confusing the enemy (1)

zeeroj (966489) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722437)

My PS2 has never broken down. This is despite my best efforts to drop it onto pavement, into puddles, and so on.

Re:Confusing the enemy (2, Funny)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723187)

This is despite my best efforts to drop it onto pavement, into puddles, and so on.

Best efforts?

If you try to drop your PS2 onto the ground, and miss, I think it says more about you than the PS2's quality. ;)

Re:Confusing the enemy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15724175)

I would have believed dropping it but the puddles comment is complete bullshit. You, my friend, are a liar.

All consoles are locked down (1)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722524)

Try playing homebrew games on your Sega, Nintendo, or even xbox systems without cracking something? Give people the option to rip off developers and sony sales and they will. In droves...thats just human nature to most of the population.

Pot...Kettle...Black? (5, Informative)

DeadMilkman (855027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721792)

Dear Sony shrill, you forgot:

60-70% of the Japanese retail find your competitor more interesting/capable.
65-70% of the Japanese develoupment houses interest rests with your competitors.
65-75% of Japanese consumer market interested in buying your competitor's product citing the #1 reason as "cost" against your product.

And in Famijitsu, THE japanese gaming mag...you are pulling 5% more popularity in Japan than the Xbox 360... (* That right there alone should be causing panic!)

Sources:
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_conte nt&task=view&id=3403&Itemid=2 [next-gen.biz]
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_conte nt&task=view&id=3162&Itemid=2 [next-gen.biz]

Competitor (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721892)

Why did you use the word "competitor" when in each case only "Wii" fits? Why not just say Wii? I can imagine why the Wii polls better right now, it has some really sexy features and looks like great fun. But it's also operating where there's more of a vaccum around PS3 details, which gives the Wii a great upper hand right now.

As for Famijitsu, it's hard to believe the stated figures when the actual sales results are so low. Polls can be rigged, sales figures are much more concrete and indicitive.

Re:Pot...Kettle...Black? (1)

moochfish (822730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723153)

the links in this post are very interesting. They help focus the fact that nobody denies the ability of the PS3. The problem is that it does not offer a feature set that much further beyond the XBox 360, nor does it innovate much compared to the Wii. Most importantly, its price is far, far above either console. As a result, consumers do not agree with Sony's assertion that their product is a no-brainer success waiting to happen.

As I always point out to my friends, perception is an impotant part of the gaming industry. If everybody THINKS a console is too expensive, publishers get less interested in doing exclusives with it, thus making it harder to lower its price, thus causing the price to stay high for even longer. If everybody THINKS it is only a marginal amount better than XBox for 50% more money, that's enough for those same people to not want to spend their money on it -- regardless of how much greater the PS3 is in reality. Lastly, if people THINK the Wii is more innovative, that alone generates tons of buzz, attracts publishers who want to capitalize on that buzz, and with increased game sales, ultimately helps further lower the price of the console.

Again, nobody is disputing the PS3 isn't the most powerful system on the market. Nobody was disputing the Dreamcast's power when it came out either.

Re:Arrogant? (2, Interesting)

Aidski (875851) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721794)

And the Wii's other gimmick... fun games. Shame Sony rarely thinks of that one. (and I bought a PS2 and not a gamecube, yet own 2 games for the PS2 and have spent more time playing gamecube at friends' places)

Re:Arrogant? (2, Insightful)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721823)

Your rival Nintendo has given up trying to compete technologically with you in their next console and is turning to gimmicks like the Wii's pointing device.

What, and a seven-way processor isn't a gimmick?

Re:Arrogant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721838)

"What, and a seven-way processor isn't a gimmick?"

http://www.research.ibm.com/cell/ [ibm.com]

http://www-1.ibm.com/businesscenter/venturedevelop ment/us/en/featurearticle/gcl_xmlid/8649/nav_id/em erging [ibm.com]

There are already over 250 companies building Cell based products.

Cell is being used in:

PS3
TV and other home media devices
IBM servers
Aerospace devices
Medical devices
Media/movie company content production

Go away fanboy.

Re:Arrogant? (1)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721949)

I'm sorry, I didn't quite understand that. Please restate your response in the form of the source code to a non-trivial 3d game that takes full advantage of 7 processors, or the words, "I am Tim Sweeney." Thank you.

Re:Arrogant? (1)

Maserati (8679) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723359)

At this point in the PS3's development the source code to a trivial 3D game running on 7 processors would be acceptable.

Re:Arrogant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15724123)

Go away fanboy.

Curse your infernal debating skills! I am no match for this subtle and witty putdown, which confutes my argument so thoroughly and eloquently that I am thrown into confusion.

I will crawl back into my hole and hope that one day I, too, will be a big boy who can use clever words.

Re:Arrogant? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723245)

I don't think it's a terribly bad idea, and it certainly isn't a gimmick. Sega advertising the Saturn as having 3 CPUs when the PlayStation only had 1 was a gimmick (it may have been true, but the PS was clearly just as powerful).

As for the 7 processor thing, that is pure business. Each cell has 8 SPUs. By only enabling 7 of them, they can sell all the processors that would otherwise be worthless for the PS3 because a defect killed an SPU. They do it strictly for yield numbers. This is just like Intel selling defective Core Duo CPUs as Core Solo CPUs by disabling the defective core. It's the same reason DRAM has extra bits in it so the defective ones can be avoided.

The number 7 is just because 8 fit on the chip and they want to be able to have half decent yield numbers (which, from what I've seen (see one of my other posts in this topic) are already terrible).

As for how to split things up, here is a random idea:

  1. Graphics
  2. Sound
  3. Graphics Physics (particles, foot planting, etc)
  4. Logic Physics (collisions, etc)
  5. AI 1
  6. AI 2
  7. Input/Network/Disc

Actually, I think Sony has said to count on one SPU doing OS tasks all the time, so I guess you could take out AI 2. Now ignore the suitability to divide things up that way in the Cell, my point was just that you could divide a game that way.

Re:Arrogant? (1)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723686)

I was just reading about that, actually. Enabling only 7 of the cores is a great idea from a business perspective - costs are already going to be high enough with the BD-ROM. As well, the marginal benefit of 8 over 7 just isn't that great.

What I was trying to get at with "gimmick" wasn't really numerological at all, it was just an attack on what I see as a sexy, overengineered solution over pratical computing. I don't doubt that multithreaded applications are the wave of the future and that an engineer who is capable of thinking in an arbitrary number of directions at once is going to have a huge leg up in the next twenty years. However, when AMD and Intel are making baby-steps into the field of multiprocessing by only having 4 cores per chip by next year, and IBM's been making a huge amount of fanfare for freakin' ever about their 8-core chip, I start to have doubts about whether the Cell is going to look the same under my TV as it does on paper. I call it a healthy level of caution - some people think I'm a curmudgeon, though.

But put my paranoia aside. Let us assume the Cell ultimately really is an objectively outstanding processor (it very well may be). I think there's no question that writing multithreaded games is harder than writing single-threaded games and that developers aren't used to doing it as a rule yet. Despite how outstanding the Cell is, Sony is dictating the rules of the game to its developers, who'd rather have fast single-thread performance because it's easier and it's what they already do. They'd also like it because it's similar to PCs and it'd make the consoles similar to each other. Widen your market, fatten your profits. Sell them the same game twice. It works.

It's just like Cocoa vs. Carbon on Macs: Objective-C and Cocoa pretty much is a better solution than C++ and Carbon if you're just talking Mac development. But one, it forces developers to learn a different language with foreign syntax and no namespaces, and two, Cocoa isn't an option if you're porting in, and you'll have to rewrite your entire program if you ever decide to port from Cocoa. Apple also merrily does things that break people's programs and cause the old bugs they were exploiting to get by to stop working, forcing you to rewrite your code correctly and adapt to a newer, better hardware platform once every ten years or so. This is why most developers like Microsoft better, because they let you hang around and run your crufty, old-as-the-hills legacy code for ever and ever. Simcity exploited a bug to run in DOS, and Windows 95 detected when Simcity was running and allowed that bug to be exploited so that Simcity could run on Windows 95 with no alterations. That's the strategy that makes you the darling of developers, and even though they've been in the console space longer than MS, Sony has something to learn from them.

Re:Arrogant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15725054)

As for how to split things up, here is a random idea: 1. Graphics 2. Sound 3. Graphics Physics (particles, foot planting, etc) 4. Logic Physics (collisions, etc) 5. AI 1 6. AI 2 7. Input/Network/Disc

Um, you'd think it would be easy to split things up that way but if you've programmed a game, it's not. Pretty much each one of those depends on something else being done first and therefore can't easily be done in parallel. Games are fairly serial... The physics have to be calculated, then the animations change to react to those... including the AI. Graphics are already done on a separate processor... the GPU. Sound is normally done on a separate processor... the sound card and it is also dependent on the placement of objects if it's sourround sound so it needs to be played after the physics and AI. That pretty much leaves IO really. Which could be done in a separate process but it has to check to see if the items it's swapping out of memory aren't in use anymore and that could probably get tricky. Also the controller IO needs to be read in before the physics are calculated to know where the player is moving (But that doesn't exactly take a lot of time).

You also forgot something. Sony said 1 processor would be dedicated to their menu system which acts like Live's blade thingy. So in reality they have 6 processors to work with.

The only thing I've heard of the extra processors being used for is hair physics/cloth physics. Stuff that doesn't really affect the player in any meaningful way except to look cool. But I'm sure it has to wait (mutex) until the main body's physics is calculated.

That leaves you with 3 processors in use... which tada is exactly what the XBox 360 uses. They could use more if they thought about it, but in reality, they'll probably only use 3 because then it can be ported easier to the 360.

Re:Arrogant? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15725117)

"You also forgot something. Sony said 1 processor would be dedicated to their menu system which acts like Live's blade thingy. So in reality they have 6 processors to work with.

The only thing I've heard of the extra processors being used for is hair physics/cloth physics. Stuff that doesn't really affect the player in any meaningful way except to look cool. But I'm sure it has to wait (mutex) until the main body's physics is calculated.

That leaves you with 3 processors in u"

Holy shit! You don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

Currently one of the SPEs is being used just for OS tasks, but that will change most likely before the PS3 ships or soon afterwards. It is safer right now not to bother with having the OS and game code share the same SPE. The massive power advantage the PS3 hardware has over the Wii and 360 makes it of little difference in reality.

The rest of your drivel is too absurd to even try to correct.

PS3 developers are utilizing all six SPEs in their games. And in the near future they will be using the seventh too - the OS needs very little time to run on its SPE.

SPEs are used for every area of game code - physics,AI,rendering,and so on.

Stop talking about subjects you clearly have no competence in.

How is that a troll? Mod up! (0, Redundant)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722058)

What in there is trolling? It contains a lot of simple factual details about what the PS3 is. If I say the sky is blue, or that water will turn to steam when heated sufficiently, is that trolling?

Re:How is that a troll? Mod up! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15722086)

"gimmicks like the Wii's pointing device"

Having used the Wii controller at E3 I don't think it is a gimmick - but I do think it just isn't anything special. Certainly not special enough to make up for the weak graphics on the system and the fact that I can/have already played every old Nintendo game I ever wanted with emulators on my computer.

One "zonked" tag to go please (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721644)

And can I get a few comments from the people that think Slashdot has no console bias on the side please?

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (4, Insightful)

NonSequor (230139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721685)

What bias? How do you expect him to report anything good about the PS3 when there isn't any good news about it available?

Bias is excess negativity (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721741)

What bias? How do you expect him to report anything good about the PS3 when there isn't any good news about it available?

Nor has there been any bad news either - yet all we see are articles re-hashing old issues people have with the PS3. There are plenty of similarily content-free positive news bits about the PS3 as well, since as game announcements and interviews with people like the makers of Warhawks. A lot of that is in fact more newsworthy than a stupid attack interview that tells us nothing, yet you see nothing like that here.

Let's wait until we have some real information - good or bad - on the PS3 to report, and report that.

It's also kind of hard to claim a lack of bias when you can see Zonks own commentary attached right to this story.

You'd think (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721801)

You'd think that with a console launch and PR campaign as disastrous as the one the PS3 has seen, that you wouldn't need to embellish the news to make it look bad for Sony. But for some reason, Zonk feels compelled to do it anyway.

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (4, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721867)

No kidding. Delays in the system, delays in the cell, delays in Blu-Ray, the price, last-minute half-features (the controller tilt), feature removal (Ethernet hub, rumbling), cell yields of 10-20%, and low laser diode yield [arstechnica.com] . Sony hasn't had ANY good news. Even at E3 when they were expected to make a killing they didn't show a ton of impressive stuff. Sure it looked good, but they didn't look as good as the target renders and they didn't have a large variety of games. They also didn't have much in the big name department (GTA, just a video of Jak and Daxter).

Compare that to MS who while not great did show a wide variety of games and had some good announcements (GTA no longer exclusive to PlayStation for one).

Then there was the "little guy", Nintendo. A fantastic showing of tons of games that got tons of press. People were interested in much of it. Wii Sports, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, Red Steel, Wario Ware: Smooth Moves, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, and more. Name 7 big upcoming games off the top of your head for either other system.

I've gotta say, I thought the PS3 would be a scarce but big hit with great graphics. Now I'm starting to get much more interested as it seems the PS3 will be overpriced with great graphics and a fair helping of "what are they doing now."

Well there's a story (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722027)

last-minute half-features (the controller tilt)

Well now that you mention it, there was an interview [ign.com] with the same Warhawk developers that were the ones that stated they got the controllers just a few weeks before E3 - in the interview it said the statement had been misconstrued; Sony in fact had let them know about the tilt feature much earlier but had only delivered physical controllers with the tilt sensors built in a few weeks before E3. The exact words:

Actually, Incognito has secretly been working with Sony on the tilt technology for a while, but it wasn't until the last few weeks before E3 that they received a working controller.

So the combination of a developer talking about what looks to be a pretty good PS3 game (how meany Gears of War stories has Slashdot seen?) along with a debunking of one of the more commonly held myths about the PS3, you'd think would be newsworthy. No mention of that on Slashdot though...

Re:Well there's a story (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723186)

I read that, and I know that it wasn't given to them two weeks before the show or whatever was initially reported. Still, I think it's a rushed half feature because my guess is that while they have been planning the PS3 ever since the PS2 was released, my guess is that the tilt functionality has only had real consideration since the learned what Nintendo was up to (either through a leak or through the press conference that the rest of us learned about it through).

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (2, Interesting)

Kohath (38547) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722036)

What bias? How do you expect him to report anything good about the PS3 when there isn't any good news about it available?

This isn't a negative story. This isn't a story at all. This is 100% content free. The non-biased thing would be to ignore it.

And that's my comment on your comment on zonk's bias for posting an article about a Sony exec's comment on joystiq's question about the feeling that there was arrogance percieved in Sony execs' previous comments. Write a blog post about it. It's sooooo relevant to whether the PS3 games will be fun or not (which doesn't matter until they are available anyway).

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722284)

And still the PS3 is outselling the XBox360 at a major store in my country.

That's right - people are already pre-ordering them in droves. And they're happily paying a lot more than $600 for the privelige.

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15722503)

Where? Japan? Yes, the Japanese are extremely xenophobic and hate Americans (and who can blame them, the US still celebrates how they annihilated two Japanese cities with nuclear weapons).

But mild success in Japan over a dismal failure hardly is indicative of anything. The PS3 is setting itself up to be the biggest failure since the XBox360.

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (1)

Trogre (513942) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722848)

Not Japan;

New Zealand, one of the most pro-american countries in the south-south-west pacific.

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15725146)

Sorry, I know it's going to hurt to hear this, but nothing that happens in New Zealand counts for anything.

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (1)

Chibi-Hikaru (969350) | more than 8 years ago | (#15725707)

Not even the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (1)

wheany (460585) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723984)

Which is also the reason they abhor the Ipod.

Re:One "zonked" tag to go please (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15725565)

Of course the question remains, how much is the 360 selling?

Poor Harrison (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721658)

Aww, poor Harrison, you didn't get asked any nice questions. Would you like to cry on my shoulder, pookie-kins?

$599 is fine (4, Insightful)

rsilvergun (571051) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721664)

for launch. I don't know why people are surprised. The last 3 console releases (ps2, Xbox and Xbox360) where all scalped on ebay for way more than that. Sony's just responding to that. Expect the price to come down pretty quick as sales drop.

Well, but see, that's the thing. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721729)

It's pretty obvious Sony can charge $599 at launch and get away with it. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Charging $599 may be a workable idea from a pure business and economics sense, but it's just plain uncivilized behavior. It's not only insulting but actually dehumanizing to the people who will or might buy PS3s-- because Sony is effectively treating them not as people or customers, but as spigots from which money can be extracted, and they are turning the knob on that spigot up as high as the pipes can bear without bursting. It's like if a small town's only convenience store jacked up their prices for bottled water to $10 as soon as a heat wave starts. Yeah, probably people will buy the bottled water even at $10. Yeah, you'll probably make money off of the decision to raise the price of your bottled water to $10, even if some people are driven to just go without water. But is it the right thing to do? Is it even a good idea in the long run, when you take into advantage the long-term effects of your customers feeling they've been taken advantage of? We could perhaps say that when someone does one of these things, those things that you can do but you probably shouldn't, that they are acting "arrogant".

And by charging $599 for the PS3 just because they know people will pay whatever Sony asks, Sony is being arrogant. Enormously arrogant. Almost as arrogant, in fact, as Zonk is being when he thinks anybody cares about his little MS-fanboy potshots at Sony that he slips into these articles.

Re:$599 is fine (1)

DeadMilkman (855027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721743)

But what if that IS the price...

And they are NOT planning price drops for a 1-2years....

What if the price drop 1.5years later is 399-499

What then pray tell? 2-3 more years till the magic 200$ price tag making it 4-5years into production?

Re:$599 is fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721881)

Then don't buy it for 2 years genious.

Re:$599 is fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15723165)

If you can't spell genius, don't try to insult someone with the word.

Re:$599 is fine (2, Interesting)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721894)

On the one hand, you're right. I think MS should have done that. Just put all the console up for bid in one giant eBay auction and let people pay what they are willing to.

That said, it doesn't have to be that way. I bought TWO PS2s on launch day in a major metro area for the launch price without having to sit in line from 2:00 AM or something. I could have easily done the same for the 360 launch or the XBox launch without any problem.

But with the PS3 instead of having a choice of trying on my own or paying $1000 on eBay, I will be FORCED to pay $600 if I get it at retail (which I won't until the price is half that).

Re:$599 is fine (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15721999)

I will be FORCED to pay $600


I have never paid more than $130 for a console gaming system. Ever.

And $500 is better (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721940)

A correction, the base price that contains everything a gamer would need is $500, not $600. There has been a lot of confusion around this because many people like to pretend the $500 model does not exist even though it offers all the features of the premium 360.

$500 is also very expensive, no need to raise the figure any to complain about price.

That said, I totally agree with your point. Pretty much all through December I don't think a 360 sold on eBay (any model) for less than $800 - Sony I think is just being smart about collecting some of the money that would otherwise be going to eBay. A lot of people in lines at midnight were there just to get a 360 to scalp, I can't help but think it would be nice to reduce the occurence of this.

Re:And $500 is better (1)

SetupWeasel (54062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723546)

The thing that causes the PS3 to be $500 and not $300 is not completely useable at the $500 price. If you want to watch a Blu-Ray movie and be sure you can actually see it in HD, you need to buy the $600 model. If you only wanted needed to play PS3 games, the cost should be $300 or $400 at absolute maximum.

The problem with the PS3 is not that it is a $600 gaming machine. The problem is that it is a $300 gaming machine that is being sold for $500-600.

Don't give me any shit about the movie companies not using the ICT. It is in there for a reason, and until we hear that they will be removing it from the Blu-Ray standard, it must be assumed studios will use it.

Re:$599 is fine (1)

Brianech (791070) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722452)

That was the MARKEDUP price desperate people were willing to pay. I dont even want to know what people will be selling the PS3 online for, cause they will obviously try and make as much money as possible. But not a lot of people have money to be dropping over 1000 online for a console. Yes is happened with 360, yes it will happen with ps3, but that is no reason to markup the initial price so much.

Re:$599 is fine (2, Insightful)

rohlfinator (888775) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723907)

The last 3 console releases (ps2, Xbox and Xbox360) where all scalped on ebay for way more than that.
But to how many buyers? 50k? 100k? The Xbox 360 had a pretty weak launch as it was. If Microsoft had sold it at $600 retail, it would have been plain embarrassing.

The eBay market can give the impression that hardcore gamers are willing to pay a lot for a new toy, but it's not entirely accurate. If money was not a concern to gamers, people would have purchased the $300 360 Core system (which was readily available) and upgraded it with the HD and wireless controllers. It might have cost a bit more, but it would have been cheaper than buying on eBay. Instead, most people waited until they could purchase the full bundle at a fair price.

Expect the price to come down pretty quick as sales drop.
A price drop within the first six months would be seen as desperate, especially if it was due to a lack of sales. Typically, the oldest console leads the price drop wars, so Sony probably won't make the first move unless sales are really weak. Plus, Sony has been using the PS3's price to imply a certain degree of value. It would be tacky for them to turn around and drop the price so soon, effectively telling early buyers that they paid too much.

Re:$599 is fine (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#15724078)

So recently after its launch, how many of current Xbox 360 owners actually bought theirs at scalper prices on eBay? If it's more than 5% I'll be surprised, and I'm being very generous going that high.

So Sony is charging more for a console than the vast majority of current console shoppers were willing to pay.

that wasn't much of an interview (1)

dR.fuZZo (187666) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721681)

They just asked him a few questions and they were all basically, "hey, what's up with your company's attitude these days?" I guess actually asking about anything at all directly related to their products would be too relevant or something?

Re:that wasn't much of an interview (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 8 years ago | (#15724082)

"I guess actually asking about anything at all directly related to their products would be too relevant or something?"

Directly related to their products? The PS2 and even the PSP don't make for interesting news any more, and we still have months before the PS3 is anything more than vaporware. Beyond that, there are very few questions about the PS3 that wouldn't be answered with either "We already answered that at E3" or "You'll have to wait until $COMPANY_SHOW to find out." The only new things Sony has been putting out are asinine statements about what they think the market will do, and that's what the questions were about.

General Motors execs used to sound like that (3, Funny)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721814)

He comes across like a General Motors exec from the glory days.

Company spokesman says company is doing fine (2)

Cryptnotic (154382) | more than 8 years ago | (#15721957)

This is news, how? This guy would be fired if he said something like, "Sony is in trouble. We really have to get our act together or we will lose lots of market share to Nintendo and Microsoft. BlueRay really worries me too." Reporters ask the questions they do because they know the answers that they will get, but because they need person A to say it so they can quote them in their article or record it on audio or video for their program.

Re:Company spokesman says company is doing fine (1)

cgenman (325138) | more than 8 years ago | (#15723254)

And to be fair, he said "'well those were positive questions', in a vaguely sarcastic tone." He was probably hoping to give a mini-interview to help prop sony up, and found himself defending her against rather agressive negative questioning.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad people are finally moving away from softballing everyone. But I'd think that in that situation, an emotionally driven comment like "well those were positive questions" is completely understandable.

There are valid reasons to be upset with Sony right now. This is not one of them.

weak (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15722020)

Weak interview - and weak editorial that follows. Like Jim Gray interviewing athletes after the game. Always spinning things in a bad light. I couldn't be more bored.

Here we go again. (2, Insightful)

stonecypher (118140) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722387)

I'm honestly getting a little tired of these fanboy reporters wasting what could have been productive interviews by instead parroting the rantings of a clone-factory also-ran [tri-bit.com] . There's a reason nobody can name a game of Jeff's that isn't a sequel or a ripoff: they don't exist. Why is Sony arrogant for not tipping their hand? They've cornered what was a thoroughly dominated market in under two years and held it for more than a decade. Yes, the price is high, but Sony knows how to handle markets; their seven year old PS2 is outselling Microsoft's brand new XBox360 in every territory, even though the 360 is the only one of the next-gen consoles available, and probably will be so until at least Christmas.

News flash: Jeff Minter is Nobody [tri-bit.com] . Film at never.

(His two famous games are a Robotron ripoff and a sequel to someone else's game which is essentially a graphics upgrade and a speed boost. Most people have to look him up online to even come up with another one of his games. C'mon. Arrogant means to exaggerate your own worth in an overbearing manner, and here's some guy who has released 40 games, the sum total of which don't outsell even one game in the Playstation2 Top 100, talking about Sony's full of it because he doesn't like their new price line? Pots and kettles, man.)

So who is talking about the pot and the kettle? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15722626)

Linking to your own article to call someone arrogant?

Re:So who is talking about the pot and the kettle? (1)

stonecypher (118140) | more than 8 years ago | (#15725273)

I don't see anything arrogant about my linking to something I said in detail several days ago. I am not saying anything about my importance, nor am I being over-bearing; I just didn't think it appropriate to cut and paste the whole diatribe into SlashDot. In fact, that's what SlashDot prefers one to do. It's how things have worked here for eight years.

So, mr. AC, perhaps you could explain to me what's arrogant about that? And, perhaps you could gather together the gonads to use your account when you answer?

Re:Here we go again. (1)

pommiekiwifruit (570416) | more than 8 years ago | (#15724603)

Hey, he is a much-loved industry figure from the 1980s. I remember with fondness disassembling GridRunner on the VIC-20 by hand... Your blog does not immediately say what authority you speak from. Which top-selling games have you written?

Admittedly when I said hi to phil harrison on wednesday night he blanked me, so i guess I won't get any sony party invites soon unless I tag on with someone else.

Re:Here we go again. (1)

stonecypher (118140) | more than 8 years ago | (#15725261)

Hey, he is a much-loved industry figure from the 1980s.

Well, he is from the 1980s. He might also be much loved by the fans. He was not much loved within the industry. Game thieves never are.

I remember with fondness disassembling GridRunner on the VIC-20 by hand...

Okay. Go grab the demo from his webpage. You'll be surprised to learn that it's just enemy behavior from Centipede and Galaga, without the mushrooms or enemy formations that made the other two games good, and with a screen saver for a background. He doesn't even try to hide it - at level 9, he starts using graphics stolen from Galaxian (in the PC version of gridrunner++, it starts at 15 instead.) They're not the only ones, but they're the easiest to get to quickly - not that the game is even remotely difficult.

The only real difference between this game and Centipede, besides the progressive level constraints and the stupid sheep jokes, is that Centipede (at least back then) required a trackball.

Your blog does not immediately say what authority you speak from.

Yes, it does. Read it again.

That said, it doesn't really matter who I am; what I say is factual, even if I'm some nobody from under a rock (which I'm not.)

Admittedly when I said hi to phil harrison on wednesday night he blanked me, so i guess I won't get any sony party invites soon unless I tag on with someone else.

Well, if you see me [tri-bit.com] at E3 next year, tell me who you are, and I'll introduce you. Phil and I have gotten along well ever since I met him at one of the panels three years ago, when one of the panellists said something snarky about one of his decisions (he was in the audience, not on the panel, so I just got a chance to speak before he did.) We're not bosom buddies by any stretch of the imagination, but I'm relatively easy to remember by sight - I'm a very large person with very long hair - so he still gets me into doors when he sees me.

If they REALLY want to ask tough questions... (5, Insightful)

FSWKU (551325) | more than 8 years ago | (#15722600)

...then I've got one that should cause him to sweat a bit.

Quoth Phil Harrison to Spiegel Online:
On one level I understand why people say that. But it's a little stupid, if you don't mind me saying so. When we launched Playstation in 1994 we introduced the concept of real-time computer-generated 3-D-graphics for the first time.
This was part of his response to a question relating to the tilt controller, specifically wanting a response to those who thought they stole the idea. My question is two-fold: First, what are you hiding? It should be easy to relate the design process that ended with having a tilt controller (needing a feature now that they can't have dual-shock would have been more than sufficient). However, you simply called the allegations "stupid" and tried to move on as quickly as possible.

My second question (and the most pressing): Why are you LYING to the public about Sony's achievements? And before you get upset about the question, let me point out my proof:
  • 1980: Atari releases Battlezone. This game featured real-time, computer-generated 3D graphics, and was also (technically) an FPS.
  • 1992: Sega releases Virtua Racing in the arcades. The game was composed almost entirely of real-time 3D graphicsf.
  • February 23, 1993: Nintendo releases Star Fox for the SNES. The major selling point of the game was real-time, computer-generated 3D graphics.
  • November 22, 1994: Sega debuts the Saturn, which is fully capable of providing real-time, computer-generated 3D graphics. Titles such as Daytona USA sell extremely well among owners of the system. This same year, Virtua Racing is ported to the Genesis, and Virtua Racing Deluxe is released for the 32X.
  • December 3, 1994: Sony releases the Playstation, which was originally to become a CD add-on for the SNES to compete with the SegaCD.
This clearly shows your assertion that "...we introduced the concept of real-time computer-generated 3-D-graphics for the first time..." to be flat-out wrong. This is all commonly available information, which someone authorized to speak on Sony's behalf should know off the top of their head. So I ask again, why the lying? If it was intentional, then you have only proven the arrogant desperation of your company. If it was a mistake, then you are proving yourself unqualified to speak for an entire company. Unfortunately, I am inclined to believe that it was intentional in light of Kaz Hirai's statement of "...With our original PlayStation, we ushered in the era of the CD-ROM and 3-D..."

So to conclude, you may not think of yourselves as arrogant, but your words and actions say otherwise.
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