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Most Influential People In Technical Mac Community

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the i'm-sure-there-are-more-than-25-out-there dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "The MacTech Journal of Macintosh Technology has released MacTech 25, a list of top 25 most influential people in the *Technical* Mac community. According to the magazine 'The MacTech 25 is designed to recognize the technical contributions of developers writers, bloggers, problem-solvers and personalities to the Macintosh technical community.' The people were chosen by popular voting during June. Bios and pictures of the people on the list will be published in the printed MacTech magazine in time for WWDC."

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64 comments

Hey, Windows/Linux Refugees! (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15720865)

The only thing more pathetic than a PC user is a PC user trying to be a Mac user. We have a name for you people: switcheurs.

There's a good reason for your vexation at the Mac's user interface: You don't speak its language. Remember that the Mac was designed by artists [atspace.com] , for artists [atspace.com] , be they poets [atspace.com] , musicians [atspace.com] , or avant-garde mathematicians [atspace.com] . A shiny new Mac can introduce your frathouse hovel to a modicum of good taste, but it can't make Mac users out of dweebs [atspace.com] and squares [atspace.com] like you.

So don't force what doesn't come naturally. You'll be much happier if you stick to an OS that matches your personality. And you'll be doing the rest of us a favor, too; you leave Macs to Mac users, and we'll leave beige to you.

Re:Hey, Windows/Linux Refugees! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15720960)

The only thing more pathetic than a PC user is a PC user trying to be a Mac user.

How about a Mac user running parallels so they can suck up some windows software?

Or a Mac user who can't wait to run boot camp so they can play more than two games?

Or a Mac user who's not smart enough to realise that the new macs are just overpriced PCs - with a nice case?

I think they're all more pathetic than the (tiny) number of 'doze users 'switching' - and whoops and they all describe you! Sad little boy!

Number of people in the MacTech community.. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15720869)

25

FP?

Kottke? (3, Funny)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720870)

I can't believe they left out Jason Kottke [kottke.org] ! I think the voting was rigged!

Re:Kottke? (0, Redundant)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720915)

Heh, why? Kottke's prime contribution to the technical Mac community is linking to John Gruber. :-) Oh, and penning this [kottke.org] .

Re:Kottke? (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720946)

You didn't bother clicking on my link, did you? =)

Silly aftk2!

Re:Kottke? (0, Redundant)

aftk2 (556992) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721241)

Damn, I suck. Well, we have RTFA, RTFS (Summary), and now we have RTFPYRT: Read the Fucking Post Your Replying To.

Re:Kottke? (4, Funny)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720917)

I can't believe they left out me! :-)

Re:Kottke? (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720979)

Have you been on vacation? I haven't seen you in a month! I was afraid you'd been killed by a guy wearing a black turtle neck. Anyway, good to see you.

Re:Kottke? (1)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#15723857)

I have been on vacation! Biking around, trying to lose a little of the winter chub :-)

Still on vacation, so not going to be posting here much I'm afraid....

Re:Kottke? (1)

iced_773 (857608) | more than 7 years ago | (#15725898)


That's a relief. I thought you might have been banned, considering the satirical nature of your account [slashdot.org] . It's dangerous for people to make statements against the Slashbot mentality [slashdot.org] these days.

Re:Kottke? (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15727234)

Do people really get banned? I could understand if they're gnaa trolls using throw away accounts, but I'd be surprised if people were actually getting banned.

As far as moderation goes, yes that one thread does look suspicious. I'm not terribly worried though; I generally have karma to burn. While there are individual cases of mods on crack or abuse of the system, on the whole I've been treated well by moderation.

Kottke ... obligatory Seinfeld quote ... (1)

douggmc (571729) | more than 7 years ago | (#15764334)

Kottke ... is that Dutch?

Tim Monroe (1)

bgspence (155914) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720887)

works for Apple. So gets a very honorable mention, because employees are exempt from the list.

Re:Tim Monroe (4, Interesting)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720929)

I think that must be the same deal for Mike Bombich [bombich.com] , who wrote some very nifty software (as donationware) before he was hired by Apple. I used to hang out on a forum where he and his wife frequented, and he was always helpful and friendly to others. Nice guy as well as a great mac geek. I remember how excited they were when Mike got hired by Apple. It was a dream come true. Hell, I think the entire forum was tickled that one of our own was going to join the mother ship.

Slashdot disses the Mac community! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15720896)

I click on the link, only to get an error page. It says, Nothing for you to see here. Please move along.

So Slashdot is implying that there is no such thing as the technical Mac community?? Burrrrn!!! ;-)

What a great list! (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720908)

It's all text, all names, and no links. Who ARE those people? I have no idea! I wanted to find out, but it looks like I'd have to Google each and every name.

Have you ever noticed that when Forbes or someone makes a list like this, they at LEAST give each person a few words to describe who they work for or some such?

Re:What a great list! (1, Funny)

Rosyna (80334) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720972)

It's all text, all names, and no links. Who ARE those people? I have no idea! I wanted to find out, but it looks like I'd have to Google each and every name.

Agreed. Everyone on that list is a total nobody loser.

Re:What a great list! (2, Insightful)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721017)

=)

I actually chuckled out loud.

It's funny, though, that a large amount of the people on that lists are pundits, opinionators, journalists, popularizers, evangleists and the like, not really what I think of as tech people, like you and a few others. Why isn't Rael Dornfest [raelity.org] on the list? There's not enough people that actually program there. David Pogue is technical? Because he writes/edits the Missing Manuals?

Re:What a great list! (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721036)

I only recognized a couple of names on that list, and they were both Mac journalists. Andy Ihnatko has bounced from magazine to magazine covering the Mac and has ranged from peon to editor, finally settling down as a freelancer last I heard. David Pogue has also bounced from magazine to magazine, and has become a sort of "John Dvorak of the Mac community", though admittedly with less raving lunacy. He's done a few books ("Macs for Dummies" - prompting many "yes they are" responses from the peanut gallery - among others).

These guys certainly aren't technical people in the Mac community. They're power users, yes. But technical? Hell no.

Re:What a great list! (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721078)

Pogue is the NYT technology columnist, and has been for a while now. He also has his own line of books at O'Reilly's; The Missing Manual series.

I wouldn't associate him with Dvorak in any way, other than they both make their living by writing words. Still, if your point is that some of these names aren't really tech people, I completely agree. How many of them are actually doing tech, rather than writing about it?

Re:What a great list! (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721144)

Another name missing from the list (if it was a list about people that are actually doing stuff) is Ryan Rempel [xlr8yourmac.com] . Ryan Rempel is the creator of X-Post-Facto, software that allows people with older legacy macs to run OS X.

Re:What a great list! (1)

Fahrenheit 450 (765492) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721357)

Well, there's Rich Siegel, whose BareBones software hasn't released anything worthwhile or interesting since Apple released OS X, and there's Wil Shipley, whose Delicious Library is quite nice looking, yet ultimately silly.

Of course, there are people like Amit Singh and Aaron Hillegas who deserve to be on the list, and Brent Simmons makes some apps like NetNewsWire that a lot of people love (but I personally have no use for), and I guess Rosyna Keller too, but everyone here is right. There are far, far too many writers and pundits on that list for me to come close to respecting it as a worthwhile list.

Re:What a great list! (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#15726291)

I was a bit out of line there. Perhaps more Cringley than Dvorak.

Pogue's a good writer. I'm just saying that he's not a techie at all.

Re:What a great list! (1)

Ohreally_factor (593551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15730941)

Yeah, he's more of what I would call a power-user or sophisticated user. Nothing wrong with that, but as you say, it doesn't really make him a techie in the way we understand the word.

Re:What a great list! (1)

drmarcj (807884) | more than 7 years ago | (#15722665)

I guess it's one of those things where you're supposed to know who they are and if you don't, well, maybe you shouldn't be reading the list... Of course it doesn't help that they misspelled Aaron Hillegass' [wikipedia.org] name. Who, by the way, very much deserves to be on that list given his major role in educating people on how to develop apps in Coocoa [bignerdranch.com] .

Re:What a great list! (1)

treeves (963993) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721156)

I've heard of two of them: David Pogue and Andy Ihnatko (sp?) because they've written magazine articles in popular Mac magazines.

I used to be a Mac fan but have to use a PC at work and can't afford to buy the latest Mac for myself - I probably would be still if I did.
I do have an old G3 PowerMac at home, but hardly use it.

If parent is a Mac user, I'm surprised he hasn't heard of those two, at least.

Re:What a great list! (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721203)

You're right, this is a terrible non-story. I only recognize 4 out of the list, but I'm a pretty casual Mac user these days and not the flaming fanatic I was back in the mid-90s.

If these people are really movers and shakers, I'd love to know why they matter.

A less crappy list. (5, Informative)

oneiros27 (46144) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721259)

Here's what I know of and/or could find for the ones I didn't.

Unfortunately, it seems that Slashdot has a limitation on the minimum number of characters per line. So I can't just create a nice, simple list, but instead need a significant amount of text to pad out the list, so that I can make it past the filters being used. But I'm still not there yet... sooner or later I will (20.4 is still too few). I'm probably going to have to type a whole lot of crap in here just to deal with the 25 names that are only a few characters each. (and I tried removing returns from the message, but it didn't seem to help at all)

Re:A less crappy list. (3, Informative)

Fahrenheit 450 (765492) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721414)

Ben Wilson is an editor at MacFixIt [macfixit.com]
Mike Breeden is from Accelerate Your Mac [xlr8yourmac.com] . He might run it, but I'm not sure.
All I really know about Nigel Kersten is that he wrote SirAdmin [apple.com] .

Meh. Not a sterling list...

Re:A less crappy list. (1)

Logic Bomb (122875) | more than 7 years ago | (#15722083)

A more appropriate link for Josh Wisenbaker would be to http://www.afp548.com/ [afp548.com]

Nigel Kersten is on the staff at a university in Australia. I have no idea exactly why he's on the list, but he sends zillions of useful answers to questions on Apple's macos-x-server email list. (http://lists.apple.com/)

Re:A less crappy list. (1)

TobyRush (957946) | more than 7 years ago | (#15723732)

It's worth noting that Michael Bartosh's linked bio in the parent is very unfortunately out-of-date; Michael suffered a fatal fall from a Japanese balcony a few weeks ago. Not saying he shouldn't be on the list, though...

Re:A less crappy list. (1)

macshome (818789) | more than 7 years ago | (#15731039)

I'm going to go ahead and pimp the Michael Bartosh Memorial Scholarship [macworldexpo.com] here since there are so many MacWorld links in that anyway.

Re:A less crappy list. (1)

neilticktin (660748) | more than 7 years ago | (#15740776)

Thanks for re-posting this. The full write up of those on the list is in the August issue which is already at the printer and will be available in time for WWDC. In the write up are pictures, descriptions and commentary. If you're a subscriber already to MacTech, then you'll get it in the mail towards the end of July. Thanks, Neil Ticktin Publisher/Editor-in-Chief MacTech Magazine

Re:A less crappy list. (1)

MikeTheC (990441) | more than 7 years ago | (#15768084)

Well, at least Andy Inhatko is on the list. Thank God for that. I can never read any of his stuff without (at some point in the process) rolling on the floor (and not ROFL, either).

Re:What a great list! (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721390)

Losers! If Cory and Mark had waited a little longer to switch [slashdot.org] they could have been on this list! Ha! In your face, deserters! I mean, the bar can't be set that high--"Drunkenbatman" made it, I'm surprised "Dead Elvis" didn't. ;-)

Back on topic, at least we now have a new measure of Mac geekiness: how many of the people on the list do you recognize? I know 6 for sure (including 1 of the honorable mentions) and I recognize maybe 3 or 4 of the other names but can't quite place them.

Re:What a great list! (1)

Brunellus (875635) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721401)

The technical mac community is assumed to be so small that everybody knows everybody else?

Andy Ihnatko (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 7 years ago | (#15723545)

I was surprised and pleased to see Andy Ihnatko on there. I guess I'd missed him for a few years -- ever since he stopped doing the second-to-last-page columns for MacWorld (and before that, if memory serves, MacUser), I'd been wondering whatever happened to him. There was a considerable period during what I call the "dark ages" of the Mac when the only reason I kept up my subscription was for his column.

After all, props are still in order if only for being the inventor of "Web That Smut [thealders.net] ," possibly the only good thing to ever happen as the result of the Communications Decency Act. (The original column is here [archive.org] , archived via the Wayback Machine, but I'm not sure if Slashdot is going to mangle the link.)

And of course there's also the millenial version, Web That DeCSS! [slashdot.org]

Web That Smut (text) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15723630)

MacUser / January 1996 Column
Web That Smut!

This column is for the last of you Internet holdouts. Your pigheaded refusal to help line the pockets of those friendly and monolithic communications giants ends today, for as a public service this month, I'll be dragging you kicking and screaming into the Internet community, with the most exciting new party game to hit the scene since the first time someone in a basement shouted, "Left foot . . . blue!"

Bear with me for a moment. You probably already know that the incredible explosion of the World Wide Web is partly attributable to how easily the Web allows two electronic "pages" separated by vast geographic and ideological distance to be linked together and freely accessed. In addition, the Web allows properly motivated people to view images of a fundamentally naughty nature. I say that these are two great tastes that taste great together and have developed Web That Smut!, the thrilling new online game that combines the intellectual stimulation of the film-nerd party classic The Coppola Connection with the competitive thrills of the smash game show Name That Tune.

The object of Web That Smut!: to proceed from a perfectly innocent starting point on the Web to . . . hang on -- I've got the text of the legislation written down somewhere. Aha! -- "words and/or images of a prurient nature which violate reasonable standards of good taste in the town and/or county of its source or destination of transmission."

Here's how to play. You and your opponent sit at opposite sides of a Mac with Internet access and a Web browser up and running. Your opponent names a Web site. You then offer an opening bid of how many mouse clicks it will take to move from that friendly locale to an image of graphic smut. Just as in the TV original, you barter the wager back and forth until one of you loses your nerve.

You: I can Web That Smut! in five mouse clicks.

Opponent: (after a wary pause) Web That Smut!

You then have the agreed upon number of mouse clicks to locate any text or graphics that, when accessed, immediately take your mind's eye back to the lecture your clergyman gave your entire Sunday-school class when he caught your friend staring at the depilatory ads in Woman's Day.

To illustrate: You begin at Apple's top Web page (http://www.apple.com/). Glancing through the contents, you wisely spend your first mouse click jumping to Outside Resources. From there, Apple and Macintosh User Groups seems the obvious choice, but after carefully examining the entire page, you click on Online Publications of Interest instead; the casual mention of "eZines" in the item's description makes you suspect that it's a sure path to pay dirt. Or perhaps not, as you're presented with a list of dry technical journals and industry news. Beads of sweat form as you realize that you have only four mouse clicks left and that those'll run out quickly if you need to work your way through a Best of the Net page.

But what's that you spy in the middle of the screen? You're saved! Amusing Rants on Internet Topics! As a longtime Net jockey, you understand only too well the significance of the word rant, and so it is with no little confidence that you stab the pointer down on DaveNet. Hmm. Nothing there but a file reference . . . that's no good. Skip to Dave's home page, and see if there's a directory of sorts. Netscape and your unaccelerated-graphics card require a moment to draw the page, but when it's done, you see the finish line right there in front of you -- in the form of a link marked Sexuality. The window's title bar now reads A Society of Parents and . . . a thoughtful, well-reasoned, and entertaining commentary on the need for parents to take an active role in their children's development and activities? What the hell is this?! But wait, Dave comes through, inserting a gratuitous photo of a nude lady at the very end just to get Senator Exon steamed, with a link to the Libido page thrown in for good measure. By now, members of the crowd can no longer contain themselves, and they shout "Exooooooonnnnnnnnnnn!" as you race around the office on your rolling chair.

All the thrills of big-time TV-game-show action, without the inconvenience of having to drag home a whole bunch of ugly Harvest Gold major appliances afterward. And the rules are so simple:

1. Any mouse click that activates a link to either a file or another Web page counts toward the total. Clicks within the scroll bars are free.

2. You cannot hit a site more than once in any one round, but if you need to backtrack, you may do so without penalty. When Web That Smut! is played at championship levels, however, each click on the Back button counts; this is the game's equivalent of doing the Times crossword puzzle in ink and marks you as one big and crunchy master of Web naughtiness.

3. Mouse clicks must be limited to the content area of your browser's window. The What's New and What's Cool buttons are verboten, as is the keyboard -- you can't perform a keyword search.

4. A contestant has Webbed That Smut! when the screen contains an image featuring either nudity, creative forms of counterproductive dress, or text of a prurient nature as described by Senator Exon. For instance, any appearance of the word Winnebago or Turnstile scores an immediate Exon for you or for your team. Merely accessing a file doesn't count; the text, sound, or imagery must be plain for all to see for the Exon to be recognized by the scorekeeper.

And then there's Web That Smut!: The Drinking Game. As with all good drinking games, the rule maker had to formulate the rules while drunk, so I downed a whole bottle of Sam Adams Triple Bock and waited for the magic to happen. When my vision returned four days later, I read the resulting manuscript, and I must say I really don't approve of what I wrote at all. So my advice on this one is to just pop a tape of The Bob Newhart Show into the VCR and try to get a game of Hi, Bob! going concurrently.

The solo version of Web That Smut! is a variation I've developed entitled Championship Conservative Chain Gang. According to the original text of Exon's Communications Decency Act, distributing offensive materials via the Internet or acting as a means of access to same invites a two-year jail term. The object of Chain Gang is therefore to change the fate of the world by getting as many archconservative political figures on a prison chain gang as possible in one uninterrupted pass, via the Web sites they control. You get points for the length as well as the quality of the chain. Witness my best game to date:

Beginning at the Web page of uber-Reaganite Dick Armey (http://www.house.gov/armey/), two clicks brings you to the top of the House of Representatives, headed by Newt Gingrich. Three from there lands you in the Flat Tax Home Page, with plenty of links to the conservative world, such as the archconservative Political NewsTalk Network, which happily gives you access to the Christian Coalition's Web page. Cool! Now we've got Ralph Reed smashing rocks along with Newt and Dick! A deep browse turns up a Q&A article by none other than Pat "I Am Not a Televangelist" Robertson, with one and only one link to the outside.

Fortunately, that's all we need, as that crucial link in turn leads us to the Best of the Web contest page. From there, four mouse clicks takes us to the Frequently Asked Questions page of the alt.sex newsgroup, from which startling pictures of women modeling terribly revealing and clearly uncomfortable leather-and-chains ensembles is but one click away.

And the name of that crucial site linking all these conservatives to the Leather Goddess? Why, it's a link to the United States Constitution page at Cornell University.

It's pretty cheap irony when you think about it, but I'll take it anyway.

Andy Ihnatko can be reached at andyi@world.std.com and isn't ashamed that readers can Web That Smut! from his Web page (http://www.zdnet.com/~macuser/andyi/) in three clicks.

So What? (1)

SewersOfRivendell (646620) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720925)

This, like the "Mac Daily Journal Power 25" list that preceded it, seems to be an accounting of 'people who we have heard of'. What does it actually indicate? Do these people have some kind of influence over something? It just seems to be a particularly pointless popularity contest.

Where's Bill? (1)

Healthbolt (987456) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720948)

Considering the knee-jerk reaction most Apple-philes have to anything this man (or his company) says or does, I would certainly think he would have made the list... I'm willing to bet that Microsoft has had an enormous impact on how Apple has crafted their products and presence in the market over the years.

Apple has impact on Microsoft? (2, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721069)

One only has to look at Vista to realize how much is flowing from Apple to Microsoft, not the other way around.

There are very few features Microsoft implements and Apple duplicates. So in what way in Bill influential on what Apple does? Apple seems to be well ahead of Microsoft at this point from a strategic OS and application perspective.

The only recent thing I could see Apple possibly adopting ome variant off is application ribbons from the new Office.

Re:Apple has impact on Microsoft? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15721620)

A few things, actually:

1. The move to x86. Jobs basically got tired of wintel consistently handing Apple its ass in most performance benchmarks for over a decade.
2. The lack of a hardware monopoly if Jobs was in Gates's shoes. Remember what happened to the mac clones in the 90s? Now imagine Apple was as powerful as MS, and there was no wintel duopoly. There'd be no Dell, eMachines, Alienware, etc either. Think Macs are "expensive but a good investment" now? try applying monopoly-style "what the market will bear" pricing to that. A computer would be an investment similar to a car: everyone has one, but boy they're not cheap.
3. Innovation due to competition. A big part of the reason for the continued improvements to MacOS is trying to attract "switchers" from Windows. If there was no Windows to compete against, MacOS would be as stale as MS Office is right now. In fact, we would probably be using System 10 or System 11 instead of OS-X if it wasn't for Microsoft.

And no, I'm not Bill's towel boy. I've owned Macs for quite some time now (my first was a second hand 128K Mac); I'm just old enough and lucky enough to have seen pretty much all the history of personal computers either first or second hand. I've met and talked to many of the key players from the old days, and I know that Jobs, in Gates's position, would have done pretty much the same thing Gates did.

Re:Where's Bill? (2, Funny)

tb3 (313150) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721072)

This is the technical list. Bill is on the other list.
(Which just makes sense; Gates would even know how to open a Mac.)

Re:Where's Bill? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721715)

It's the Linux community that's absolutely obsessed with Microsoft, not the Macintosh community. For instance, when someone posts a problem with an Apple product (Finder is really slow with network drives) you don't see 40,000 responses saying "yeah, well, Windows is slow with network drives also!!!!one!!!" like you do with Linux users.

Re:Where's Bill? (1)

hotspotbloc (767418) | more than 7 years ago | (#15722043)

Back in the day MS Word and Excel were the bomb and sold a ton of Macs. How could one company at one time write such great apps for the Mac while writing such total crap for their own OS?


Yeah, Mr. Bill belongs on the list.

Some list... (1)

ben there... (946946) | more than 7 years ago | (#15720992)

Seriously, I could open up notepad right now and type up 25 names with no bios or links and call that an article too.

It would be easy. None of those bothersome <a href>'s to worry about getting in the way of my list.

Where's Dvorvak? (3, Funny)

TheBogie (941620) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721034)

Why didn't Dvorvack make the list?

Re:Where's Dvorvak? (2, Insightful)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721509)

Why didn't Dvorvack make the list?

Because trolling doesn't count as "influence".

-jcr

Community (1)

Ramble (940291) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721045)

There's a Mac community?

Huh? (1)

JoeCommodore (567479) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721071)

There's someone other than Steve? wow.

No Leo? (3, Insightful)

seven5 (596044) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721127)

I was surprised that Leo Laporte wasn't on this list. He's done wonders over the years in knocking out the Mac myths that became irrelevant with Os X. His voice travels far and is broadcast wide as well.

Leo & Qdial (2, Interesting)

cmholm (69081) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721389)

Yeah, since the list was a bit heavy with writers, you'd think he'd rate. His Qdial desk accessory was one of my favorate bits of code back in the mid-80's, when I was constantly dialing up BBS'. Its innovation was to flog the modem during a Mac's vertical blanking interval (screen refresh, when whatever application you were using and the OS were otherwise twiddling their thumbs), which allowed me to keep working while I waited to connect to a busy board. This was before the Multifinder, and my first practical taste of multitasking, outside of a VAX/VMS system.

Don't be fooled (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15721468)

About half the people on this list write for the magazine that published the list.

Here's how this works:
(1) Magazine publishes list of "influencial" people.
(2) Magazine includes their regular contributors on the list.
(3) Magazine begins referring to their contributors as "highly influencial members of the Mac community."
(4) Magazine hopes we all fall for it.

This is no different than George W. Bush calling his house in Texas a "ranch" in hopes that everyone else will call it a ranch.

It has no lifestock and (originally had) no horses, yet all the press called it a ranch because that's what they were told. Six years later, his house is a ranch.

Re:Don't be fooled (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15721760)

Oh! I get it now. It's like how people keep saying Linux is going to take over the desktop. They eventually hope one day it will (but actually just fooling themselves the whole time).

Re:Don't be fooled (1)

Weedlekin (836313) | more than 7 years ago | (#15731600)

"the press called it a ranch because that's what they were told."

It probably has more to do with the fact that most of the journos from the mainstream press have never been near a ranch, and got their ideas of what one is from watching "Dallas", i.e. a house in the middle of a big piece of Texas land where people who got rich from oil walk around in cowboy hats trying to look like good ol' regulah peepuh. "Hey theah, m' name's Geeowge. Come ohn in, tek the weight off yo' feet, and stay awhaal. Aahl tell thuh li'l wom'n teh cook up a mess o' vittals, 'n' when ah bellies're good 'n full, we all can jus' sit on th' pawch an' chaw the fat fo' a whaal".

"Infuential"? (1, Interesting)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721492)

Some of these guys are fairly well-known in the community, but I can't think of any example of them exerting influence on Apple, the developers, or the users.. Aaron does a good job of introducing new Cocoa developers to what I'd consider best coding practices, though...

-jcr

Re:"Infuential"? (2, Interesting)

wjsdelicious (850217) | more than 7 years ago | (#15723976)

Geez JCR... you can't think of ANY example of ANY of us exerting influence on developers?

Rude.

Re:"Infuential"? (1)

jcr (53032) | more than 7 years ago | (#15724940)

Hey, if people actually followed your advice it would be a good thing, but I sure saw a lot of code from people who didn't.. ;-)

-jcr

A miserable failure, the only possible outcome. (3, Insightful)

mactari (220786) | more than 7 years ago | (#15721736)

The MacTech 25 is no popularity contest, nor
is it to "pick your favorite CEO." We looked for the most influential in
the Mac TECHNICAL market.


This seems simliar to American Idol saying that this year, they've instructed the caller-in voters to pick purely on ability. How else could David Pogue and Mike Breeden -- admittedly both *very* influencial writers and news reporters in the Mac "space" -- out-garner Glenda Adams (of Aspyr.com fame, formerly president of Westlake Interactive), who seems, at times, to single-handedly not only keep Mac gamers with options, but also keep anyone interested in the Mac as a gaming platform?

Even then I'm just picking from my own favorites. What techs have these people championed? What BurgerLibs have they created or OpenGLs have they supported?

Re:A miserable failure, the only possible outcome. (2, Interesting)

tonywong (96839) | more than 7 years ago | (#15723195)

Mike Breeden was one of the guys who kept the high end overclocking and modding community alive when Macs were on life support in the mid to late nineties. He's always been a one man show and while you guys may not think he's very influential right now, he's pretty much one degree removed from all the important people today.

Ever since the G5 has stumped the modding community xlr8yourmac has kind have just been a reporting news site, but perhaps the future x86 Macs might bring back Mike's site to it's former glory.

Re:A miserable failure, the only possible outcome. (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 7 years ago | (#15724245)

Not to mention the fact that there are people on there everyone wishes were influential, but aren't. Ars Technica's John Siracusa is one such example. Everytime he criticises Mac OS X for something, Apple turns around and makes whatever it is worse...

I thought they were all switching to Ubuntu? (2, Funny)

aurelian (551052) | more than 7 years ago | (#15722184)

Or was that last week?

What?! No Paul Thurrott?! (1)

finelinebob (635638) | more than 7 years ago | (#15722464)

Oops! My bad. This ain't MacDailyNews.
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