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Microsoft Acquires Winternals and Sysinternals

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the internals-are-eternal dept.

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SJasperson writes "In a move that will be good for Redmond but may have consequences for the rest of us, Microsoft has acquired Winternals and Sysinternals. This gives them well-known developers Mark Russinovich and Bryce Cogswell as well as dozens of well-loved and much-praised utilities, both commercial and freeware. Though Mark says on his blog that the Sysinternals site will remain 'for the time being,' this would be a good time to download the latest version of essential Windows tools like Process Explorer before they can go mysteriously missing or be locked up behind the wall of Windows Genuine Advantage."

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Seriously? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737342)

be locked up behind the wall of Windows Genuine Advantage.

You're complaining that Microsoft expects you to use a purchased version of Windows? WTF


Re:Seriously? (4, Interesting)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737395)

I have a legitimate windows installation, but i refuse to install WGA. Im not a big fan of spyware.

Avoiding WGA with Auto-Updates on? (-1, Offtopic)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737481)

Just out of curiosity (and since I'm not a Windows user, except for a copy I have installed on a virtual machine to play with), is there any way to avoid getting WGA-ed if you turn on Automatic Updates?

I just turned Auto-Updates off completely, figuring I can just roll the VM back if it gets infected with something, but I'm curious as to whether the user has any control over WGA's installation, or if it just gets slipped in by MS the second you allow automatic installation of updates.

Can you get just the security patches, but refuse to install everything else? Or is WGA considered a "security" patch? (Which would be suitably ironic -- it's 'security' all right, just not for the user.)

Re:Avoiding WGA with Auto-Updates on? (2, Informative)

rootofevil (188401) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737513)

Personally I have auto updates set to notify me when the download is complete and the files are ready to install. If you deselect the WGA option, you can then choose to never install it. Same goes for the windows update website.

Re:Avoiding WGA with Auto-Updates on? (1)

bubkus_jones (561139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737557)

I tried that once, but it never worked. It kept requiring me to install it any time I tried to update.

Re:Avoiding WGA with Auto-Updates on? (2, Informative)

creepynut (933825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737641)

That works only for the Windows Genuine Advantage Notification one. Not the actual WGA itself.

Re:Seriously? (1)

nstlgc (945418) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737781)

You need to double-check your definition of Spyware. $10 says you're still not running a legitimate version.

Re:Seriously? (5, Insightful)

dupont54 (857462) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737407)

You're complaining that Microsoft expects you to use a purchased version of Windows? WTF

No, he's complaining of being constantly suspected to be a thief by Microsoft, as well as, sometimes, being a collateral victim of malfunctionning paranoid DRM.

Re:Seriously? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737591)

Do you not shop at stores that tag their clothes with shoplifting detectors? Get a clue. That shoplifting technology saves money for the honest among us.

Re:Seriously? (5, Informative)

Jon Luckey (7563) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737735)

Do you not shop at stores that tag their clothes with shoplifting detectors? Get a clue. That shoplifting technology saves money for the honest among us.

Do not go thinking that even that technology cannot be without drawbacks to legit customers.

One case where I bought something, the cashier rang it up and put it in a bag. I got it home and discovered an antitheft tag still on the item. And it was the kind of tag that would wreck the item with dye if removed incorrectly. So I had to return to the store to get the tag removed. And this store was a fair distance away. That technology cost me money in gas and time.

There could be an analogy made for WGA. Analysis of the strings in WGA code leads to the conclusion that WGA code can shut down a windows install that WGA thinks is invalid. If WGA is wrong (Microsoft? Bugs? Never!) then a legit copy of Windows may go inactive with a major hassle to get it working again. Even if the owner has the Certificate of Authority. I don't blame people for opting out.

Re:Seriously? (5, Insightful)

Da_Weasel (458921) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737832)

Yes but the stores remove the tags from the items when I purchace them and don't try to sneak into my house later on and put the tags back on them so that I have to make a trip back to the store with a reciept to prove I bought them so they can remove the tag again...ad nauseum...

Come Along Queitly (2, Funny)

ackthpt (218170) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737686)

No, he's complaining of being constantly suspected to be a thief by Microsoft, as well as, sometimes, being a collateral victim of malfunctionning paranoid DRM

That's preposterous, who in their right mind would beli

Microsoft have determined your installation of Windows includes non-registered components. Failure to comply will result in the shutdown of your operating system and a visit from the BSA Stormtroopers.

ike it was something out of Star Wars with Darth Vader and all. Sheesh, get real!

People who don't buy Win* because they use ReactOS (5, Interesting)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737432)

You're complaining that Microsoft expects you to use a purchased version of Windows?

It's not the "purchased version" part that I'm worried about but the "of Windows" part. I'm complaining that I can't use the utilities with Wine (an independent implementation of Win32 spec, commonly used with *BSD and *Linux) or with ReactOS (an operating system consisting of Wine on top of a reimplementation of the NT kernel).

Re:People who don't buy Win* because they use Reac (1, Insightful)

generic-man (33649) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737576)

Sure you can. Winternals and Sysinternals utilities don't require WGA and there's nothing but Slashdot FUD stating that they will require WGA. Download them now, burn them to Blu-Ray disc, and use them forever.

Re:People who don't buy Win* because they use Reac (1)

14CharUsername (972311) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737608)

"burn them to Blu-Ray disc"

Well done, sir, well done.

Re:Seriously? (3, Informative)

9x320 (987156) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737435)

Windows Genuine Advantage mistakes 20% of genuine XP operating systems as counterfeit. [guardian.co.uk] If you install the update, you have a 1 in 5 chance of kissing your operating system goodbye. The summary for installation says it will then "help you obtain a licensed copy of Windows."

Re:Seriously? (1)

takeya (825259) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737445)

No but most other OSes dont use as intrusive and time-consuming methods of determining that a copy of the OS is legitimate.

Re:Seriously? (2)

nstlgc (945418) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737812)

Intrusive? Time consuming? All I have to do is press a frikkin button. And not even once every 108 minutes!

I smell an excuse.

Re:Seriously? (1)

happyemoticon (543015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737448)

I would be more scared their tools were bundled exclusively with OneCare. In either case, the next release version of any of those tools will probably include several megabytes of Microsoft Bloat®. Can't wait for Clippy to tell me how to use Process Explorer.

Personally, my only problem with WGA is that it's a weird user experience. I need to click through about twenty times - even on IE - to have my system transmit "Yes, he's using a real version of Windows." It shouldn't be that complicated.

Re:Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737628)

All that clicking is what makes it secure. Just wait and see how "secure" Vista is!

-- Microsoft Security

Re:Seriously? (1)

nstlgc (945418) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737836)

Personally, my only problem with WGA is that it's a weird user experience. I need to click through about twenty times - even on IE - to have my system transmit "Yes, he's using a real version of Windows." It shouldn't be that complicated.
Sure you must be talking about some first-time installation? When I go to MS to download something, or I do a MS Update, there's exactly ONE (1) screen telling me there's a check. This screen has ONE (1) button that I need to push to 'continue', after which I am sent to ONE (1) more page telling me it's ok.

That's 2 pages. 1 click. Stop making excuses.

Re:Seriously? (2, Insightful)

Millenniumman (924859) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737466)

They're complaining that Microsoft has software built into its OS with considerable power to mess with your property that does you no good and assumes you are a criminal. What makes it worse is that WGA will never stop real pirates.

The name is also stupid. It should be called "Windows Copy Protection".

You do have a point, though.

Re:Seriously? (2, Insightful)

gravyface (592485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737517)

The name is also stupid. It should be called "Windows Copy Protection".
Or perhaps "Windows Genuine Disadvantage"?

Re:Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737475)

I have multiple legitimate licenses but according to Microsoft, the OEM license dies with the machine (ie: motherboard). A court would disagree but it's easier to just install XPCorp.

Re:Seriously? (2, Interesting)

Fordiman (689627) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737642)

?

I think their full of it.

The license dies (for me) with transfer of license ownership (ie: giving my disk / 4th generation pre-keyed backup to another person).

Meanwhile, I wonder if there's a market for pre-keyed windows installations? ie: purchase a windows disk, create a pre-keyed / slipstreamed / no question / extra utility (say, ClamAV and Spybot S&D, set to run silently at regular intervals at low prio)/ extra app (say, Openoffice, Firefox and Thunderbird preinstalled as well) DVD version, and sell both for slightly more than the purchase cost of the original. Since the license accompanies the disc, and since I'm not removing anything from the user, I think it would be a sweet thing to be able to buy. Microsoft's making their money, so they've no reason to bitch. Everything else is OSS...

Actually, lemme get started on the process for that; it should be relatively easy and potentially batchable (get a batch of WinXP discs of a set version, use one to create the base image, and change the key for each disc).

Call it "Windows XP - Not Lame Edition"

Not quite... (2, Interesting)

cbiltcliffe (186293) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737810)

If your motherboard dies, you can replace it with a new motherboard without buying a new copy of Windows. That's according to Microsoft's licence.
If you just want to upgrade, though, and your old motherboard is working fine, then it's considered that you bought a new computer, and need a new copy of Windows.

That's assuming that said copy of Windows is an OEM version, rather than retail box.

Retail box you can transfer to your heart's content, as there's no restriction to a specific computer.

Re:Seriously? (2, Interesting)

Geeko Roman (304803) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737539)

YES seriously. Not because the copy of Windows that happens to be running on the current machine is not paid for, but because it's lame to have to worry about copying utilities around from machine to machine and all of a sudden have some problem because Microsoft f'd with it.

Microsoft doesn't get it. It's very obvious. They add features they would like, not what the rest of the world actually wants.

Re:Seriously? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737856)

It is a very sad day when slashdot has ads like this. I am now removing slashdot rss feed from my homepage and never comming here again. I have no problem with there being microsoft ads, but an ad that covers up the entire summary. Slashdot really went downhill.

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May I be the first to say....... (5, Funny)

caffeinatedOnline (926067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737343)

Noooooooooooooooo!!!! WHY, God, WHY!?!

Re:May I be the first to say....... (1)

Sounder40 (243087) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737399)

Great. The one thing that made Windows at all tolerable were the Sysinternals tools. Now they're going to go commercial, and no longer available to the unwashed or likely only with WGA requirements. Sad day, indeed.

Re:May I be the first to say....... (5, Insightful)

Poppler (822173) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737629)

I'm with you. Without Sysinternals software, I would have killed myself when I had to run Windows at work.

I am a little concerned about something else. Russinovich has in the past disclosed certain things (like the Sony rootkit) that he may be in no position to let us in on now that he is a Microsoft employee.

Re:May I be the first to say....... (2, Funny)

mgblst (80109) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737636)

Start your wgets!!! GO!

Re:May I be the first to say....... (3, Funny)

BalanceOfJudgement (962905) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737684)

Personally, when I get home I'm going to download every single one of those utilities, even the ones I never used, and burn them to disc. Heck, I might create a mirror where people can download the regular 120kB version instead of Microsofts 45MB version.

Re:May I be the first to say....... (5, Funny)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737603)

Noooooooooooooooo!

Don't panic - this is a good thing. Microsoft need Process Explorer so they can work out what the hell their OS is doing, and then document it for the EU. They'll give it back to the community when they're finished with it.

Why? (4, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737690)

WHY, God, WHY!?!

Because you chose to run Microsoft software. These are the consequences.

Mising Components... (5, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737349)

After months of ripping out what's not important, Windows Vista is finally getting a heart and a brain. Alas, no courage is yet available.

Re:Mising Components... (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737510)

New features of Vista.

  - improved task manager.
  - ability to actually kill processes.
  - new debug utilities.

woohoo! At least they can release it with something new, besides the graphic card eating Aero.

(New Aero on Vista - how can nothing costs like something?)

Re:Mising Components... (1)

smokeslikeapoet (598750) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737758)

If you don't first innovate, buy, buy again!

next ? (0)

fire4ever (630478) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737352)

Who Microsoft acquire next ? CowboyNeal ?

Oh well... (-1, Flamebait)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737367)

How long before this one's gone, too?

I never understood... (-1, Redundant)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737373)

Just what is wrong with Microsoft making sure pirates, who steal software, don't get to easily download and install other Microsoft software.

Windows isn't OSS and Microsoft has every right to protect it's resources, thus Genuine Advantage. You don't have to use Windows.

Re:I never understood... (1)

grim4593 (947789) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737438)

Would you be the slightest bit annoyed if ALL windows programs required WGA validation? I have a legit copy of windows, so don't gimme none of that "You're pirate BS"

Re:I never understood... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737666)

"Would you be the slightest bit annoyed if ALL windows programs required WGA validation?"
Yes.

I have to say - of all the arguments being presented here as to why WGA hurts consumers, yours is the only argument that needed to offer a hypothetical instance where WGA was worse. What does that say about you?

Re:I never understood... (3, Informative)

tepples (727027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737451)

Just what is wrong with Microsoft making sure pirates, who steal software, don't get to easily download and install other Microsoft software.

The problem is that WGA enforcement sometimes blocks innocent users of ReactOS and other Wine-based software stacks.

Re:I never understood... (0, Troll)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737780)

It's not going to be a popular opinion, but why should Microsoft be supporting such stacks at all?

Re:I never understood... (5, Interesting)

Jimmy King (828214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737559)

The problem, as has been said thousands of times on slashdot and elsewhere, is that these measures don't stop piracy. They do, on the other hand, sometimes cause problems for legitimate users. On top of that, WGA is little more than spyware and treats me like a criminal checking everyday to make sure that my copy of windows is valid. If it was valid yesterday, why would it not be today? Add to the mix that when I purchased my copies (plural.) of XP, this WGA was not part of the software or even something that the public had been told would be in the future.

Also, much of the complaint this time around, at least in regards to this, is not just that WGA sucks. It's that very good, useful, high quality software which has previously been available to anyone will likely be made available only to people who install useless DRM from MS. While MS may have the right to do whatever they want with the software now that they've purchased the company, it doesn't mean people have to be happy about it.

Re:I never understood... (1)

BalanceOfJudgement (962905) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737701)

Any idea what IP address and port WGA uses to connect?

I might just block them at my router.

Re:I never understood... (1)

Jimmy King (828214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737738)

Unfortunately I don't, but I know a few people have it as their firewalls caught it and asked if it should be allowed or not. I'd imagine some searching on the web would turn it up eventually. That or I bet the tools from sysinternals would probably be useful in figuring it out.

Re:I never understood... (3, Insightful)

Geeko Roman (304803) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737593)

People (apparently you) seem to think that the only possibility is running Windows and this utility on some nice and pat environment. Rarely is this the case with most of us here. I may have to fix some computer by shoving a CDrom in the computer and running a utility because there is some problem. So if the utility won't run because the OS is confused (which MS OSs often get confused) then there's no way to fix the problem. Essentially they would have shot themselves in the foot.

If some MS exec decides that win.com (or whatever) is protected fine, but leave the utilities and similiar ilk alone. Protecting the world is great at some boardroom meeting, but reality is quite different.

The Real Answers (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737375)

Q. What are you announcing?

Resistance is futile.

Q. How does this acquisition affect Winternals' customers?

Cost is going up, delivery is going to suck.

Q. Will you continue selling Winternals' portfolio of products?

There is no such thing anymore.

Q. Why is it a good thing for Winternals' customers?

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Q. Will I still receive technical support and if so for how long?

How long can you tread water?

Q. Why is Microsoft acquiring Winternals and Sysinternals?

To assimilate.

Q. What exactly is a Technical Fellow?

Microsoft Bob.

Q. How many Technical Fellows are there at Microsoft?

There can be only one.

Q. My Product Assurance Contract with Winternals on Administrator's Pak (or other tool) is about to expire (or has just expired). Can I still renew it?

You're new around here, aren't you?

Q. What were the terms? How much did Microsoft pay for Winternals? Was it a cash or stock deal?

A few spare souls that have not been allocated yet.

Re:The Real Answers (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737589)

iDIOT.

Re:The Real Answers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737704)

Q. How many Technical Fellows are there at Microsoft?
There can be only one.


They are preparing for the Spock-style deathmatch when Bill steps down.

Re:The Real Answers (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737773)

hahaha so funny. Resistance IS futile

Someone (5, Insightful)

Eighen Indemnis (893363) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737376)

Make a torrent of the latest tools STAT!

Re:Someone (2, Informative)

baadger (764884) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737790)

I'm downloading all 92 zip files now (with URLToys), thats all the tools and all the versions, when i'm done i'll rar them up and put a torrent somewhere ;-) I suppose I best check if we are allowed to redistribute the tools before I do so, I don't fancy any wrath from Microsoft.

In other news (5, Insightful)

cyber_rigger (527103) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737380)

The (near) monopoly maker of flat tires buys out all of the patch companies.

From the article (3, Funny)

guruevi (827432) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737391)

Before it gets slashdotted:

Q. What are you announcing?
A. Winternals and Sysinternals have been acquired by Microsoft. Winternals is a leading provider of systems recovery tools for Windows-based enterprises worldwide and Sysinternals is one of the leading community and enthusiast sites for people interested in information about the internals of the Windows operating system.

Q. How does this acquisition affect Winternals' customers?
A. Microsoft will stop and kill everything as soon as all legal, hardcopy contracts are over

Q. Will you continue selling Winternals' portfolio of products?
A. No, it will get integrated halfly into Windows 2006 though.

Q. Why is it a good thing for Winternals' customers?
A. It is a good thing because now they can't spend any money anymore on stupid tools and they can finally switch to Linux

Q. Will I still receive technical support and if so for how long?
A. Winternals will continue to provide technical support for the current term of your Product Assurance Contract.

Q. Why is Microsoft acquiring Winternals and Sysinternals?
A. Extend, embrace and extuingish.

Q. What exactly is a Technical Fellow?
A. The guy that will come install Linux on your servers

Q. How many Technical Fellows are there at Microsoft?
A. A lot, they are undercover penguins.

Q. My Product Assurance Contract with Winternals on Administrator's Pak (or other tool) is about to expire (or has just expired). Can I still renew it?
A. No, there are no plans for renewal.

Q. What were the terms? How much did Microsoft pay for Winternals? Was it a cash or stock deal?
A. Microsoft threatened with a lawsuit over some of the programs.

Re:From the article (1)

TiredGamer (564844) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737483)

Of course I don't have mod points today. *shakes fist*

Re:From the article (0, Troll)

r0ach (106945) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737653)

I'm sorry, but how is this informative?

Re:From the article (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737675)

Before it gets slashdotted:


Karma Whore. Next time, post AC.

Summary a tad presumptious? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737392)

I completely refuse to work on or with the Windows family of operating systems, why would I want to download anything from sysinternals? However, congrats to the sysinternals guys, I think everybody recognises how talented they are.

Oh Boo Hoo (5, Insightful)

robpoe (578975) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737413)

I love their tools too, but why the commotion?

Good for them. Now they get fat paychecks, good bonuses, and they work for the empire.

And I'd bet that if MSFT offered you $$$$ for whatever you were making, and a fat paycheck with good bonuses - you'd be a fool to not take it...

Re:Oh Boo Hoo (2, Interesting)

14CharUsername (972311) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737558)

Because now the tools won't support Win2000 anymore? No one is saying its bad for the companies involved, just bad for the users.

Re:Oh Boo Hoo (1)

mgblst (80109) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737564)

Two of my concerns - all the great tools will disappear, and he won't right so much on his great blog, where he goes into great details with the problems of windows. He probably wouldn't have been able to speak out about Sony, if he is working for Microsoft (Microsoft would liable? - see the recent IBM lawsuit in the UK)

Re:Oh Boo Hoo (3, Insightful)

Jimmy King (828214) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737619)

When was the last time you saw a small, quality, company being bought out by a large company be good for anyone other than the large company? It's rarely good for the employees of the smaller company, who get a nice, big, paycheck, but frequently end up hating their job and ultimately quitting or being fired. It's even more rarely good for the users of the product when corporate ethics and ideals start being applied to their software which was previously being written and overseen by someone who truly cared about the project.

Now, I have no numbers to show, so perhaps it's just that we only hear about/remmeber the bad ones. But let's have a look... we've got the majority of previously great companies EA has bought up and killed, along with their great games, we've got Norton products, for a more obscure one, how about thespark.com?

Re:Oh Boo Hoo (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737702)

It's great for the owners that got bought out, but bad for the rest of us, as it is one less independent resource about Windows.

I wish there was a utility to help repair Windows Update. I get this arcane error which the MSKB has no less than eight different solutions to try, something that would appear to be automated to check the. For many things, I actually prefer Windows over the alternatives (I use Windows, OS X and Linux), but this sort of thing is aggravating to say the list. Maybe I should write that program but my time is better spent elsewhere.

Re:Oh Boo Hoo (3, Interesting)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737715)

I used to get a fat paycheck and great bonuses. Now I make less money and no longer touch Microsoft software. I'm much much happier. Money isn't everything.

Re:Oh Boo Hoo (3, Insightful)

CodeBuster (516420) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737732)

Of course failure is not tolerated...

Admiral Cogswell: Lord Ballmer, the company has moved out of hyperspace and we are preparing too...unk...ack...cough

Lord Ballmer: You and your cogs have failed me for the last time Admiral....Captain Russinovich!

Captain Russinovich: Yes, Lord Ballmer.

Admiral Cogswell: hack....cough

Lord Ballmer: Make ready to deploy our programs beyond their firewall and deploy the company so that nobody can switch OS...you are in command now Admiral Russinovich.

Admiral Cogswell: THUNK!

Captain Russinovich: Thank you, Lord Ballmer.

I'm not so sure (1)

Aqua_boy17 (962670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737765)

At first glance I'm inclined to go along with the preponderance of thought here that this will be bad in the long run for users of Winternals products. I don't know of another company that has produced such good basic Windows utilities that are free and that work well with little overhead for so long.

OTOH, it will be interesting to see if and when Sysmon, Filemon and other tools get integrated into the Windows administrative tools. Or am I dreaming? I mean, after all didn't performance monitor and disk defrag and other utilities also come from companies that MS assimilated?

Hooray for the Sysinternals guys who will undoubtedly be kickin' it in the Carribean soon. Woe (maybe) to the rest of us.

Re:Oh Boo Hoo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737846)

I don't think anyone here feels bad for the people who run Sysinternals. They feel bad for themselves.

Sysinternals has been almost the only source of windows tools that actually do anything. I can't count the number of times that Sysinternals has been the difference between beating my head against some M$ garbage for five hours and downloading a nice tool and being done in a few minutes.

If Microsoft fucks this site (and my Amazing Powers of Inferential Logic say they will) then it will mean a lot of misery for all the techs that have to deal with Windows.

wget -r www.sysinternals.com

Interoperability (4, Interesting)

Elektroschock (659467) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737506)

This has to be seen in the context of anti-interoperability action of Microsoft and orders from the competition authorities e.g. in the European Union. Still Microsoft fails to comply with the documentation orders of the European Union.

Now Microsoft takes over tools which enable interoperability with its plattform and puts them under their licensing control. What we will see next is a restrictive Microsoft EULA for it which discourages use for reengineering or interoperability for Ms competitors etc.

Worth to file a complaint at the responsible EU competition consumer liason office [europa.eu] .

Looking for Windows kernel experts... (5, Interesting)

rickkas7 (983760) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737524)

Does anyone else find it a little funny that Microsoft bought out Winternals to get Mark Russinovich? According to a Microsoft employee [com.com] , "Mark is one of the top five or 10 people in the world when it comes to Windows internals." I'd believe that, but isn't it just a little funny that Microsoft had to go to a 3rd party company to find an expert in the internals of Windows?

Re:Looking for Windows kernel experts... (3, Informative)

0racle (667029) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737655)

No, it's not funny at all. Why would someone who spent time understanding something have to work for the company that made it? On top of that, few people at Microsoft would ever have to work with so many of the different parts of Windows to be able to be considered an expert in the internals of Windows. There are probably a tonne of people in MS that know a hell of a lot more about their part then he does, but have little to do with other parts.

Alternate explanation (2, Funny)

robogun (466062) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737797)

They want to halt all the tech calls, gray hair and suicides caused by this. [sysinternals.com]

May I be the first to announce (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737538)

That I, for one, welcome our new monopolistic overlords...

Re:May I be the first to announce (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737752)

You're about 15 years too late on that greeting there buddy....

No longer an independent. (5, Insightful)

SloppyElvis (450156) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737548)

Some of Mark's blog entries in the past have cited shortcomings and oversights in Windows systems and he has often provided utilities to get around/address them. Now that Mark is a Microsoft employee, will such criticism be forthcoming, or silenced?

Mark's investigations into Windows workings have been very informational and useful over the years. Now that he'll be under NDA and non-compete...

Mod parent up... not flamebait (0, Offtopic)

gravyface (592485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737658)

I smell a zealot with a fistful of mod points... why is this flamebait? I think the parent brings up a valid point here.

Anything SysInternals did was the best... (2, Interesting)

Futurepower(R) (558542) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737740)

Some Microsoftie marked the parent comment as flamebait. However, it seems likely that Microsoft bought SysInternals to silence a web site that provided software of far higher quality than software from Microsoft.

Anything SysInternals did was the best, and made the sloppiness of Microsoft software obvious.

the reason (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737553)

The reason for the acquisition is obvious. The programmers at Microsoft were constantly complaining about not knowing what processes were running on their machine, or the need for a utility to defrag their pagefile, etc. Most software development shops would develop the necessary tools. Microsoft, not having a clue what's actually going on in their OS, decided to purchase the company that made these tools...

The Best Buy for them (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737575)

So what happens to the Best Buy lawsuit?

Just in time for Vista... (4, Insightful)

Lazarian (906722) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737581)

I've found Process Explorer and Registry Explorer to be great tools to help find out exactly what's going on in a Windows box, and they're great for tracking down malware. They're a hell of a lot more useful than the ctrl-alt-del dialog box in XP.

I'm sure with Vista coming out soon that Redmond would love to obfuscate or disappear these utilities that would help let people know what Vista is really doing under the hood.

Re:Just in time for Vista... (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737803)

Hahaha

I've found Process Explorer and Registry Explorer to be great tools

After I read your comment I immidiatly googled for Registry Explorer sysinternals download in Google to see if I could run it (i have never heard about a sysinternals registry exploring tool), it was just after the first 10 seconds of looking at the search results for the download link that I remembered that I am using Fedora Core 4 hence it was not going to be *really* useful for me =o).

Anyway, I have WinXP in my Notebook and have replaced the task manager with Process Explorer, I like the pskill tools (I couldnt make pslist work for some strange reason). I love sysinternal utilities and loved mark's blog/research about Sony rootkit.

Unfortunately, like it or not he will move with more caution when commenting now that he is part of Microsoft, but hey I would not hesitate if my company was bought by such a big company. I just hope that Mr. Rusinovich makes MS a better place :)

Why this makes people so angry! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737597)

Well some good reasons people are mad is that when the acquire they often either destroy or manipulate the product. For example, they will purchase a company and then simply stop developing or distributing its products to stifle competition or a product that they do not like. They also like to force you to own the latest version Windows to get the tools, as if every one only uses Windows and not Wine or is not a repair tech simply looking for some utilities. They also like to manipulate products to hide their DRM or to not be able to do things they do not like in the OS. For example, Process Explorer will now not be able to see that special DLL or hook they add to their software for DRM, security purposes, or maybe NSA acccess. While this might not seem like much imagine trying to locate the cause for a problem in an application or the system when parts of the application or OS are being hidden from you. They also remove tools they feel might be used in a way they do not like. For example, tools that allow you to mount registries remotely and manipulate them without MS security making your life miserable as in tools that do not hide keys from you or lock them down. They also like to add anti-features like phone-home and to force you to register. That is why people get so pissed when this happens.

Microsoft as the borg... (1, Insightful)

rnbc (174939) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737605)

Yet another proof that Microsoft can't behave like a normal market player. They fear even those working for them. They feel the need to control everything under the sun.

Nooo! (1)

slapout (93640) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737625)

I was having a good week until I read that.

Lots of files to download... (1)

bucketoftruth (583696) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737668)

Anyone know of a single .zip that includes all the sysinternals downloadable programs? I started to download a few and realized it would take me hours clicking to each page.

Re:Lots of files to download... (2, Interesting)

Christopher_G_Lewis (260977) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737747)

Wget -R ???

Re:Lots of files to download... (1)

Jay Maynard (54798) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737793)

It sucks down lots and lots of stuff that isn't needed, like the blog, the forum,...

A command that would suck down just the files and the associated HTML pages explaining them would be a Good THing.

Re:Lots of files to download... (1)

baadger (764884) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737776)

Watch this [slashdot.org] thread.

Correction. (2, Informative)

rowama (907743) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737748)

Microsoft will continue to meet all Winternals customer support agreements through their terms.

was probably supposed to read

Microsoft will continue to meet all Winternals customer support agreements, but on their terms.

the same typo occured in several places.

<bashful_grin>Just trying to be helpful.</bashful_grin>

Obvious? (1)

bberens (965711) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737761)

Microsoft needed to hire these fellows because they're probably the only people on the planet who could properly document the Windows API for the EU.

Limited Time Offer! Act now! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15737769)

wget -r --domains=www.sysinternals.com,sysinternals.com http://www.sysinternals.com/ [sysinternals.com]

Good news, bad news (3, Interesting)

meburke (736645) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737777)

I've followed Mark's advice and used some of his utilities for years. I will be forever grateful for the things I learned by analyzing the source code to some of the utilities. I think Mark is entitled to cash in on his effort, but I'm not very optimistic about the quality of stuff that will come from Winternals from now on. Mark (and Winternals) was independent and worked at an independent pace, which is going to degrade now that there are layers of bureaucracy added.

On the other hand, the Winternals utilities represent about 10% (IMO) of the utilities needed to really analyze and fix Windows when it malfunctions. I'm too old to do this myself, but maybe a group of ambitious analysts could step up and continue the good work. Even more important, maybe a good group of analysts could develop a methodology for analyzing the OS and then point the way toward needed utilities.

I'm actually feeling a little grief over the demise of Winternals as an independent company.

Mark R (1)

tredman (229468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737791)

I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that we haven't seen a blog entry from Mark since May. Apparently the silence has already begun.

Re:Mark R (1)

tredman (229468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737844)

Never mind. I'm a dork. RTFA and all that...

Just one more reason to switch (1, Interesting)

Sarusa (104047) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737804)

I've really been considering switching to Mac when the Core 2 Duos come out rather than deal with the looming hell of Vista for my desktop machine (my servers will still be running Debian). With Norton long gone to uselessness, Sysinternals was one of my top places for getting tools that MS should have provided and didn't. Just one more nail in the coffin.

(Yes I realize that Apple is just a mini-MS as far as being evil where they can, but that seems to be mostly in the iPod stuff and going after the press. On the desktop side 10.5 looks far, far more appealing than Vista.)

Mirror the sysinternals.com site (1)

Aggrajag (716041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737805)

I started mirroring the sysinternals.com site with HTTrack as soon as I read about this.

the full stiry quote (2, Funny)

WeAreAllDoomed (943903) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737813)

"Mark says on his blog that the Sysinternals site will remain 'for the time being,'..."

mark then put on his high heels, lipstick, and sun-dress, and passed around cocktails on a tray at billg's dinner party.

at least we still have OSR (3, Informative)

soldack (48581) | more than 8 years ago | (#15737850)

Check out http://www.osronline.com/ [osronline.com] . They have some similar utilities and are the place to go for windows device driver questions and debug. They are the folks that finally fixed much of the DDK documenation . I still have the mugs they gave away for finding doc errors.
By the way, I highly recommend their classes. I have taken a bunch of them and I am pretty sure that these folks know windows internals better than any other organization...maybe even MS.
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