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Playstation 3 Soon Into Production

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the now-go-cry-about-the-price dept.

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Roy van Rijn writes "According to Forbes, the Commercial Times reported that Taiwanese ASUSTeK Computer Inc. will be delivering PlayStation 3 consoles to Sony starting this month. The news comes amid concerns that Sony may not have enough Cell and RSX chips to meet production goals of 2 million units for launch. The report also states that, Hon Hai Precision Industry Co Ltd, also a Taiwanese company, will soon begin making the PlayStation 3 consoles for Sony too. Total monthly shipments from manufacturers are expected to be 200,000 units per month."

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Don't do the math (5, Informative)

davevt5 (30696) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742693)

If you do the math you're probably thinking that means there will only be 1.6 million units ready to go by launch (assuming both Asustek and Hon Hai each hit 200k/mo.) The article goes on to state that the production will increase to two million units by October -- at least for Asustek.

The question is, will there be enough cell processors to stuff into these boxes with yields being so aweful [com.com]?

Re:Don't do the math (1)

sane? (179855) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742734)

Nah, the question is if there will be enough customers for it to make a difference.

If Sony pull this one off and don't have a damp squib launch someone will be due a huge bonus. I don't bother with consoles and even I am interested by the Wii if the price is right.

Re:Don't do the math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742749)

> The question is, will there be enough cell processors to stuff into these boxes with yields being so aweful?

Aweful. That is the correct word, as I am full of awe seeing those anybody tring to ship a game console with a processor that have such a low yield.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742790)

If you do the math you're probably thinking that means there will only be 1.6 million units ready to go by launch

And if you believe slashdot, that'd be 1,599,998 too many and both who want it are idiots. I think it'll be more even than that - it has the brand name, tons of people have PS2 games, it has a HD-capable player built in and so on. Wii is probably very cool for the right games, but for some games a keyboard/mouse, gamepad, joystick or steering wheel is the best. Not every game is going to benefit from it. And we have of course Microsoft, who'll continue to drop money into the Xbox whether you want them to or not, and money does buy you exclusive titles and the like. I look forward to finally seeing all three in action - hype is really tiresome.

Re:Don't do the math (2, Funny)

k_187 (61692) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742879)

yes, Sony will sell more than 2 PS3s

Re:Don't do the math (4, Funny)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743427)

Did you actually get modded insightful for that nugget of joy? I guess some of the moderators actually thought that they would only sell 2 PS3s. I guess I'll take a karma hit from that aforementioned moderator, but that has to be the dumbest insightful mod I've seen to date. :P

Re:Don't do the math (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743445)

yes, there are more than two idiots

Re:Don't do the math (2, Informative)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742989)

Yes, but the Wii still has ports for the old school GC controllers, so if games just want to use standard controllers, they can do that. The controllers are already pretty cheap ($20 US), and will probably get cheaper once there's 2 systems that support them. So, for games that don't care about or don't need the new controller functionality, they can still use the old controllers.

Re:Don't do the math (3, Insightful)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742804)

Equally important, will the supply chain be able to deliver all of the parts in time? After all, what good is rapid manufacturing if you cannot deliver. I am sure that no matter what happens in terms of cell chips and the like, there will still be a shortage during launch. Perhaps the company wants it that way, as it might raise interest in the product.


The media will hype this as a good sign for Sony using the generic and technologically unaware phrases they always use:
"Well Jim, the PS3, as Sony has named it, is flying off the shelves. They just can't keep them in stock. This next generation gaming console is moving straight from truck to customer."

Re:Don't do the math (4, Interesting)

MaWeiTao (908546) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742850)

Four or five years ago I had the chance to visit one of the first few semiconductor foundries producing 12-inch wafers.

It was explained to me how yields are always pretty bad during the ramping up phase but once things get going the number of defects decrease dramatically. I don't recall the specific details or how long this phase lasts, but I'm not surprised that there would be problems leading up to actual production. That's kind of the point of this process, to identify as many problems as possible beforehand.

They may have problems early into the production run, but given the complexity of the PS3 I expect Sony will have numerous other issues to contend with beyond defective chips. I expect problems as bad, if not worse than the Xbox360's overheating power supply.

Re:Don't do the math (3, Interesting)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742908)

Yeah they had the same goals for the PS2 at it's launch... and then the Emotion engine had yield problems. On top of the question of yields I wonder if the market is really as excited about this console as people are assuming it is.

Sure there are die-hard, rabid, Playstation fanatics who would still buy one if the price was your first born. But if you look at the fact that Sony has always had lame launch titles, the PSP's consumer excitement around it's launch could be described as "apathetic" with the die hard fans camping out for a product that didn't even sell out.... Root kit lost a lot of fans... as did Sony's double talk arrogance and bad mouthing of their competition, and lets not forget the clear rip-offs of Nintendo's Wii-mote and Microsoft's Guide button, and perhaps most importantly THE PRICE. Heck the reason for the high price was because of the Blu-Ray drive, and reviews thus far have shown that HD-DVD is stomping all over Blu-Ray. HD-DVD has 2 layer discs (15gig per layer/30gig total) and uses the awesome VC-1 codec. Blu-Ray can't get good yields on dual layer discs and even single layer discs have yield problems forcing them to only be able to use 80% of it... ~20gig. Not to mention they're using the woefully outdated MPEG2 codec and most reviews have said that some of the movies DVD counterparts look better then the Blu-Ray versions.. Even early Blu-Ray players can only read single layer discs, so will the PS3 be stuck to only reading single layer discs as well? NOT GOOD FOR PS3 SALES particularly if Sony was banking on people buying it as a cheap Blu-Ray player. nobody wants another UMD movie format.

I think low yield might be the least of their problems. Every day I see more and more of the die-hard Playstation fans going from "of course I'm getting one" too "I'll wait and see" or in some cases "I decided to get an 360/Wii instead".

Heck you can tell how much the fan base has soured from the dramatically decreasing number of ignorant and belligerent fanboy comments to PS3 news.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

avirrey (972127) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742981)

Good god if this wasn't filled with propaganda and superflous adjectives. Cite the credible sources for 'HD is stopping over Blu-ray'. For those who didn't read the Cell Yield article and haven't the faintest clue about semiconductor manufacturing: Yields always start out low, and even more so for Processors. What I will say is stop looking at redundancy logic the end all to yield improvement since this was a known from the beginning to be required. If their yields are at 10-20% they have more on their hands than redundant logic. There are in many cases issues with the test simulation software that is buggy meaning there is nothing wrong with the processor itself. In my experience, at launch, test bugs account for about 60% of fallout. If this scenario holds, then retesting the processor will make it pass. The number I would be looking for is "How many processors are not saleable percentage wise?" I don't remember the price of these processors, maybe someone can post, but test equipment can be fairly affordable relative to the price of a processor, this certainly should not be the bottleneck.

Re:Don't do the math (3, Informative)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743240)

I apologize for not citing sources for the HD-DVD over Blu-Ray debate. I figured it was common [projectorcentral.com] knowledge [centredaily.com] at this point, what with the AV forums buzzing [avforums.com] about it.

The whole thing about Cell yields isn't that they're low (of course we expect them to be low when starting production) it's that its look like they'reFAR [theinquirer.net] LOWER [com.com] THEN EXPECTED [reed-electronics.com].

And since you asked, I don't have a link but IIRC the last cost estimated the Cell and RSX chips cost Sony ~$110 a piece. No idea about how the RSX yeilds are. I'd almost be more conserned about RAM yeilds though.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743457)

Your HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray "common knowledge" links are amazingly inaccurate. ("Common knowledge" is very often not "correct knowledge".) Blu-Ray and HD-DVD support *exactly* the same codecs, so image and sound quality is going to be *exactly* the same. Blu-Ray has a lot more content coming out for it, since twice as many studios are producing for it. And the PS3 will be cheaper than most HD-DVD players. By the end of this Christmas shopping season, I'd be surprised if HD-DVD has anyone still believing in its long-term viability. Articles like the ones you cited, of course, are largely fueled by Microsoft money/fandom and anti-Sony propaganda, not reality.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

FatherOfONe (515801) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743504)

Don't let reason and sanity get in the way of bashing Sony... :-)

Lets see now... 75% of the content providers are behind Blu-Ray. Only ONE content provider has backed HD-DVD.

Less than 100k units sold of HD-DVD.

6 Million (PS3) Blu-Ray players will be sold in 4 months.

The war is over guys Blu-Ray won. Now the only battle is between Blu-Ray and downloadable content, and seeing that most people don't have Gig to the household, it looks like Blu-Ray is here for a while.

Content is king in this battle and Sony learned from it's Betamax/VHS war.

Warner will soon realize that they made a mistake and switch also, that will be the final death nail in HD-DVD. Toshiba can't live forever at a $200 loss per unit. Sony can with the games making up for lost profits.

Heck the list goes on and on. HD-DVD is dead.

Re:Don't do the math (0, Troll)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743519)

Maybe you should get out more often... head over to your local Best Buy and see the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD setups side by side... I shouldn't need to post links to articles when you can walk to the store and form your own opinions with everything laid out in front of you to touch and feel on your own.

It's a fact that every Blu Ray movie released so far is on a single layer disc, and that the currently available players are only able to read single layer discs. It's a fact that every Blue Ray movie released so far is using the MPEG2 format. Sure the players can support VC-1 but it doesn't actually help the quality if they're NOT USING IT. As for price. the HD-DVD entry point is $500. The PS3's entry point is $500, but if you want HDMI you'll be paying $600.. Stand alone Blu Ray players are more expensive then that. By christmas the HD-DVD price point is expected to drop. you'd be foolish to thing the PS3's price will drop by the end of the year.

I'd also like to see your reasoning as to how most of the members in one of the largest AV forums on the internet were "fueled by Microsoft money".

Re:Don't do the math (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743056)

Just in case you were wondering what kind of idiotic Xbox fanboy would write that garbage, take a look at the moron yourself:

http://www.web-nine.com/images/splash.jpg [web-nine.com]

Loooooser...

Pot Meet Kettle (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743164)

Yeah ... don't cast stones in a glass house

Anyways, between the high price of the system, the high price of the games*, the high price of accessories (you may have free online gameplay but that headset will still cost you $50 [and will not be very durable]), the low supply of Blu-Ray players, and the low supply of Cell Processors Sony will have problems selling $250k of these a month. When they're in third place next year what will people say actually caused their problems?

*(Sony hasn't announced this yet but warned of "possibly more expensive than XBox 360 games" because when they announced the premium on Blu-Ray based games [$15 per game] and told publishers they could keep the cost of the game down by swallowing the costs themself many publishers were outraged; Sony feared that publishers would leak the information so they made a formal statement).

Re:Don't do the math (5, Insightful)

Borland (123542) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743129)

Y'know, I can't refute your logic, but it is still flawed. What people say, and what people do, are two separate things. Plus, you're assuming that initial production problems will continue for the life of the product.

In addition, you cite the PS2 for two major problems the PS3 is facing: Initial production problems and low quality launch titles. The problem with using that logic is that you are making a comparison to one of the most successful consoles on the market. A console that is still outselling the 360.

If the PS3 is facing doom, why isn't there a sharp spike in 360 sales? Everyone who thinks the PS3 is crap but wants power should be flocking to Microsoft's banner. I have no current sales figures at hand, but the last time I looked I didn't see the 360 even beating the last generation console.

But as I said earlier, I cannot refute your post. Everything you say may come to pass and the PS3 will dive like Enron stock. But I think you base your conclusion on insufficient evidence.

Re:Don't do the math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743190)

conclusion?

There were no 'conclusion's being drawn there. It was nothing more than a mishmash of the current Xbox fanboy talking points/FUD.

"If the PS3 is facing doom, why isn't there a sharp spike in 360 sales"

Bingo!

Game. Set. Match.

The 360 is selling worse than the first Xbox in all three major territories.
The 360 is selling worse than the Dreamcast.
The 360 has sold only 3 million units worldwide in its first seven months.
The 360 has once again been outsold by the PS2 this past month.
The 360 has been outsold by the PS2 for six of the first seven months of its life.
And even more humiliating, there are stores that are reporting PS3 pre-order sales are already higher than their 360 sales.

Re:Don't do the math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743334)

"If the PS3 is facing doom, why isn't there a sharp spike in 360 sales"

Bingo!


Well, the real reason is that it is not a one or the other type of situation; people have a lot of options, you can buy:

A Sony PSP
A Sony PS2
A Nintendo DS
A Nintendo Wii
A Nintendo Gamecube
A Nintendo GBA
A Microsoft XBox
You can upgrade your PC

If both the PS3 and XBox 360 do poorly (which is a possibility) then game publishers will conclude that people don't care about "Next Generation Graphics" and "High Definition Display" and will stop supporting both systems.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743237)

You didn't even mention the PS3's stupendous. price. Money talks, and the PS3 is just too expensive.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

Borland (123542) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743396)

Because the price is irrelevant right now. If the games are equal in quality between the 360 and the PS3 a year from now, then the price will be important. If Blu-Ray tanks and goes the way of Betamax, then price will be important. If the PS3 holds a minority share of game content, then price will be important.

If the games are superior on the PS3 a year from now, then price will be less relevant. If Blu-Ray achieves even modest success on the market, then price will less relevant. If the PS3 holds the PS2 library percentage then the price will be less relevant.

The list of "ifs" go on.

The problem with this debate is that both sides are taking the best case and worst case outcomes to predict thier console's success. The only indicator I see is that the PS2 is still, in June, outselling the XBox360. Why have the masses not flocked to the 360 banner after all these Sony snafus?

The only reason I can see, is that no one has really given up on the commercial success of the PS3. Look, the PS3 detractors may well be right. But the only hard numbers in evidence do not support those conclusions yet. For cripes sake, at least wait until the first month's sales are out in November.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

Skreems (598317) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743518)

The only indicator I see is that the PS2 is still, in June, outselling the XBox360.

Isn't that a bad sign for BOTH companies? Think about it: at this point, Sony wants people to be waiting for the PS3 ship, and buying one of those. Instead, they're buying their soon-to-be-out-of-date console in apparently pretty large numbers. Are those same people really going to turn around and buy a PS3 in six months? I seriously doubt it. And with such a lively interest in games for the PS2, how many developers are going to ditch the platform in favor of spending 10x as much money to develop for the new hardware?

Re:Don't do the math (2, Insightful)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743440)

Whether it is too expensive really depends on what you
think you're getting for your money. A console that can
play the entire back catalog of PS1 and PS2 games, in
addition to new games made specifically for it certainly
has appeal to people like me who have older consoles
that will need to be replaced in order to play the
game library they've acquired over the years and who like
picking up old games for a couple of bucks (lots of older
games are more fun that these pretty new games).

If I decide that a $600 PS3 has more value for me than
a $400 Xbox360, I'll buy it when I'm ready to upgrade
consoles. I'm not a poor college kid and so an extra $200
for a one-time purchase won't even show up on my financial
radar.

I suspect there are lots of people like me who have decent
jobs and are willing to pay for the product they want rather
than settle for a cheaper product that isn't what they want.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743321)

If the PS3 is facing doom, why isn't there a sharp spike in 360 sales?

Because you're making the same flawed assumption as millions (if not billions) of humans do for just about everything else - that there are only two sides and that one of them must "win".

It's human nature, and human laziness. The mind simplifies every situation to a binary true/false, yes/no, on/off, right/left, up/down, good/bad decision in order to keep from having to do analog comparisons requiring much deeper thought processes. So, in this case, it's Sony PS3/Microsoft Xbox360. This is an incorrect view for several reasons. First of all, Nintendo is making a strong showing in this round. There are clearly 3 (if not more!) players. Second of all, since the market we're looking at is a "luxury goods" market (you can live without video games), there's no guaranteed "winner". Everybody could just shrug and say "meh" and not buy anything, at which point Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo all lose money.

IIRC, this is known as a "false dichotomy", but I'm no philosopher/psychologist, and therefore I make no guarantees about it.

What I do know for a fact is this: I'm going to buy a Wii. I am not going to buy either an Xbox360 or a PS3.

Re:Don't do the math (3, Insightful)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743421)

Well the PS2 launched at the same price as the PS1: $300. In addition to that the PS2's only competition was the hanging by a thread Sega Dreamcast, which was following up one of the worst selling consoles in their history. MS wasn't even on the radar during the PS2 launch, and neither was Nintendo. PS2's only competition was the Dreamcast, a great console but poorly marketed, with little to no 3rd party support and following up one of the WORST selling consoles of the previous generation. Again again the PS2 wasn't expensive. It was the same price their previous console launched at, it wasn't surprising at all.

The PS3 doesn't have a market in their favor this time. Towards the end of the Xbox 1's life it was selling just as many units as the PS2 on a day to day basis, hardly a comparison to the brow-beating the Saturn got in comparison to the PS1.

As for the PS2 outselling the 360... need I remind you that the PS1 outsold the PS2 for the first year of the PS2's life, uptake on expensive new consoles is slow and it's expected that last gen consoles will still sell very well into the start of the following generation. I think it's actually impressive that the 360 is selling ALMOST AS MANY [gamasutra.com] units As the PS2 considering it's more then twice the price.

I'd have to disagree, the PS2 launched with one non-competitor (the dreamcast) and 2 distant non-competitors (the unproven Xbox from that crap company MS and Nintendo's un-inventive Gamecube). The PS3 by comparison has a very serious competitor with a head start in the (Xbox 360) and they also have another very serious contender with the Nintendo Wii...

Re:Don't do the math (1)

Borland (123542) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743556)

As for the PS2 outselling the 360... need I remind you that the PS1 outsold the PS2 for the first year of the PS2's life

Nope, but why isn't the Xbox outselling the 360 if adoption is an issue? 24,000 is a pretty paltry number from your cited article. You are right about the stiffer competition, but stronger competition doesn't indicate failure; the success hinges on the price being worth the product.

All I'm saying is that it is still too early to predict gloom for the PS3. No, the sales figures of the 360 isn't conclusive, but I'd be a lot more convinced if they were much stronger. Everyone could be waiting for a Wii, but I'm not sure that's it either.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743458)

"If the PS3 is facing doom, why isn't there a sharp spike in 360 sales? Everyone who thinks the PS3 is crap but wants power should be flocking to Microsoft's banner."

A.) Nintendo's the popular rival right now.
B.) The 360's library isn't exactly stunning right now. Part of the hooplah over the PS3 is the expectation it'll have the same sort of library the PS2 did.

Re:Don't do the math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743482)

> If the PS3 is facing doom, why isn't there a sharp spike in 360 sales?

What sort of bizarre logic moves markets in your world?

Sony isn't stupid -- they saw the extreme shortage of 360's and figured they could charge what the market will bear. They'll keep their price point higher as a cachet thing, but they'll drop it when they have to. They're not 3do, they won't price themselves out of business.

As for the blu-ray thing, I can't really bring myself to care. Consoles are for games. They could use grilled cheese sandwiches as long as they were durable and cheap.

Re:Don't do the math (3, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743162)

I feel the need to call bullshit on a few of these....

Sure there are die-hard, rabid, Playstation fanatics who would still buy one if the price was your first born. But if you look at the fact that Sony has always had lame launch titles, the PSP's consumer excitement around it's launch could be described as "apathetic" with the die hard fans camping out for a product that didn't even sell out....

Its true that the DS is handily beating the PSP in sales, especially since the DS Lite launched; but apathetic is alittle strong. The PSP is selling about half as well as the DS. That's still something like 200k units per month.

Root kit lost a lot of fans...

Rootkit fiasco lost a lot of nerd fans. Jo Q Public still has no clue. They don't even know what a rootkit is.

... as did Sony's double talk arrogance and bad mouthing of their competition, and lets not forget the clear rip-offs of Nintendo's Wii-mote and Microsoft's Guide button,

Arrogance: check.

Wii rip-off: undecided. Its a natural progression, the tilt sensor they added, if you ask me. More likely this feature was bumped up in priority when Sony saw the impression the Wii remote made. I can see that one either way to be honest. This is sort of like saying that every single digital music player is ripping off the iPod.

MS 'guide' button: what are you talking about? I don't even know what this is. Hardly a feature that's touted as interesting, at any rate.

and perhaps most importantly THE PRICE.

Price is bad, I agree. Way bad in comparison to the other consoles, specifically. Of course, we don't actually know the final price yet.

Heck the reason for the high price was because of the Blu-Ray drive, and reviews thus far have shown that HD-DVD is stomping all over Blu-Ray.

Really! I'd like to see that. Cite a source?

HD-DVD has 2 layer discs (15gig per layer/30gig total) and uses the awesome VC-1 codec.

So? Blu-ray has a max storage of 200 gigs, over six layers. The codec is irrelevant; you can write a Blu-ray disc with MPEG-2, or the awesome VC-1 codec, OR the 'even awesomer' AVC codec. HD-DVD can only use MS-approved codecs and by the way, that has DRM built-in to the wrapper. (H.264/AVC does not necessarily have this stipulation (weak praise I know), but ALL MS codecs will have to deal with this.)

Blu-Ray can't get good yields on dual layer discs and even single layer discs have yield problems forcing them to only be able to use 80% of it... ~20gig.

I've seen this mentioned nowhere, and your use of the word 'yields' for optical media is kind of suspect. Source?

Not to mention they're using the woefully outdated MPEG2 codec and most reviews have said that some of the movies DVD counterparts look better then the Blu-Ray versions..

Yeah you said that before, and its still completely wrong. Check yer facts jack.

Even early Blu-Ray players can only read single layer discs, so will the PS3 be stuck to only reading single layer discs as well? NOT GOOD FOR PS3 SALES particularly if Sony was banking on people buying it as a cheap Blu-Ray player. nobody wants another UMD movie format.

Pure speculation and unfounded at that. UMD is a different animal.

I think low yield might be the least of their problems. Every day I see more and more of the die-hard Playstation fans going from "of course I'm getting one" too "I'll wait and see" or in some cases "I decided to get an 360/Wii instead".

Feel free to get up from Slashdot and leave the PC for a little while, your impression might change.

NPD Hardware Monthlies (1)

Gaz_EJ (953435) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743461)

Its true that the DS is handily beating the PSP in sales, especially since the DS Lite launched; but apathetic is alittle strong.

Right you are, at least as far as NA is concerned. These numbers (via NPD) are actually a lot closer than I suspected. Hardware sales by month:

Month; PSP; DS
Jan-06; 179,000; 158,000
Feb-06; 170,000; 150,000
Mar-06; 186,000; 184,000
Apr-06; 162,438; 138,427
May-06; 159,659; 145,930
Jun-06; 221,000; 593,000

Of course, Japan is a wildly different story. Since Brain Training the PSP has been getting shelled in sales figures, iirc.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

zoney_ie (740061) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743189)

I don't see the cause for the uncertainty as to what will happen with the PS3. Sure the Xbox360 has been out a while now, but nevertheless, there are many parallels with the PS2 launch.

People seem to have short memory spans in recollecting how much the release price of the PS2 seemed when it came out, how limited the games were at the beginning, how it was probably a less powerful console than the Xbox, etc.

It's pretty much a direct replay. The PS3 will sell about the same numbers, it'll go well over in Japan, and do OK elsewhere until Sony can decrease the prices due to cheaper components. And there'll be more games by then.

As for DVD with PS2, and Blu-ray with PS3. Again, I'd still say it's a rerun. There's not as much incentive on the face of it for consumers to go from DVD to Blu-ray, but the clincher is HDTV. People are slowly but surely switching to HDTV, and as such, it is inevitable that there will be a migration from DVDs. What they'll migrate to is still an open question, but having Blu-ray on PS3 (and again, cheaper than or comparable to standalone players) does give that format a leg up over HD-DVD (and encourages faster migration from DVD).

Anyways, it'll be fun to watch. I'll happily take a PS3 if given one, but unlike last time, I don't have a 21st birthday in hand. I suppose I could get married and put it on the wedding list this time round.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

nschubach (922175) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743295)

OMG!! Nintendo stole the button from the Atari!
Dude, that's soo wrong. How could someone so blatently copy such a feature??
What about Microsoft stealing the idea from the PS2 to include a DVD drive in the system? How could they?
(/Emo Attitude)
It's a freakin button. Live with it.

All companies have bad mouthed each other. You make it sound as if Sony was the only one.
Your reading right into the hype. It happens before the release of any major system. (See Vista.) When the sytem comes out, you can knock it all you want, but you have nothing to stand on until that day.

FYI, I don't recall the PS3 controller looking like a TV remote. Motion sensing has been around a lot longer than the Wii, so I don't see what your trying to say here. Also, it has been stated that all BD-Roms in the PS3 will be 2X dual layer drives. Get your facts straight before spreading lies.

Re:Don't do the math (1)

chaim79 (898507) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743483)

Sure there are die-hard, rabid, Playstation fanatics who would still buy one if the price was your first born.

You mean the price has gone up??? Damn... better start procreating if I want one...

404 File Not Found (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742719)

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If you feel like it, mail the url, and where ya came from to pater@slashdot.org.


Nice try /. April fools was over a few months ago.

What? (3, Interesting)

Erwos (553607) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742729)

"The first consignment is for 4 mln units, the report said, noting that monthly shipments will start at 200,000 units, rising to 2 mln in October."

Does this mean they're going to ramp up from 200k per month to 2m per month in the space of about two months? That sounds just a bit unbelievable to me.

-Erwos

Re:What? (1)

SenatorOrrinHatch (741838) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742887)

Multi-teraflop processors just for kids to play games on sounds perfectly believable tho, eh? Maybe the guys who make this stuff are smarter than most people can imagine.

Re:What? (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742915)

That sounds just a bit unbelievable to me.
I'll take "Things said about Sony's recent business decisions" for $1,000, Alex.

Re: What? (1)

djupedal (584558) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742962)

...sounds just a bit unbelievable to me

Not when you understand the process. 'ramp up' is your phrase, not theirs, and the use therin intimates something in place later where little or nothing was before.

In this case, the manufacturing ability to pump out 2 mil/mo is in place now, however, the first runs will be throtted back, simply as a shrewd process monitoring precaution, until things are felt to have smoothed out, at which time the 'full speed ahead' signal is sent to the line(s) and the spigot is then opened up all the way.

Tora! Tora! Tora! or perhaps better said as 'girigiri...'

Re:What? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743010)

Chinese kids can work very fast under pressure... ;>

Re:What? (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743045)

Perhaps some of the the 200K/month consoles will be used for testing purposes, so that they won't screw when devices are made in large quantities (problems like too much thermopaste in Macbooks, Xbox 360 failing when put on carpet). Some problems may appear only when you make a lot of consoles. If you have to recall 400K units it's cheaper than 4 million.

Re:What? (2, Interesting)

cthellis (733202) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743196)

I do believe what they mean in this case that they will deliver 2 million units by October (and then continue on to fulfill the rest of their contract at whatever production rate they are at by then; 400k or so?), not that they will be able to produce 2 million units PER month by then. ;-)

Especially seeing that Sony could not remotely sell through 2 million units a month from just ONE of their suppliers.

Damnable lack of information! (5, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742739)

The article doesn't say a thing about what sort of truck they'll be using to deliver these PS3s, what roads it'll be taking, or which truckstops along the way serve the driver's favorite foods. How useless.

Re:Damnable lack of information! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742788)

Yeah, and depending on how long the truckstop hookers take, they could still be delayed.

Re:Damnable lack of information! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742821)

The article doesn't say a thing about what sort of truck they'll be using to deliver these PS3s, what roads it'll be taking, or which truckstops along the way serve the driver's favorite foods. How useless.

In related news three robbers wearing Darth Vader masks and Dr Who Tshirts made off with a truck load of PS3s. It is believed excess units with mod chips will be availible to the highest bidder on Ebay shortly. Unsold units will likely be dumped through Craig's List.

$499 And $599 PS3s (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742793)

The $499 PS3:

1080p BluRay movies over component
BluRay Live support - additional dynamic content updates and information for movies
DNLA compliance - http://www.dlna.org/home/ [dlna.org]
1080p Games over component
Free online play for all non-MMORPG titles - confirmed over and over again by Sony
Full backwards compatibility for all PS1 titles
Full backwards compatiblity for all PS2 titles - PS2 chips included in the PS3
Linux
Online movie and music store
Webbrowsing and other desktop apps
Tilt controller
Every single developer that supported the PS2 onboard with their games for the PS3
All parts of the system except the HDMI port are upgradeable
Harddrive upgradeable with stadard store bought drives

For 100 dollars more you get:

60 gig harddrive
WiFi
HDMI

Pre-orders are already being taken a stores in all three major territories - Europe, Japan, and the US.

Re:$499 And $599 PS3s (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742948)

1080p BluRay movies over component - Not confirmed 1080p Games over component - Not confirmed Full backwards compatibility for all PS1 titles - Not confirmed Full backwards compatiblity for all PS2 titles - Not confirmed Every single developer that supported the PS2 onboard with their games for the PS3 - Not even close to Confirmed and Highly Unlikely

That somewaht vacant hollow sound... (1, Funny)

Churla (936633) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742831)

Is the sound of fewer and fewer people caring.

I'm not going to say this is the end of the world for Sony, but I think they are going to be in for an awakening of sorts when they release and see how "meh" the reaction to this console will be.

Maybe they can slip in a doomed to failure media format like UMD to bundle with .. oh.. um.. nevermind.

Re:That somewaht vacant hollow sound... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742891)

Poor baby...guess you haven't been following the PS3 pre-order frenzy that is going on right now.

Everyone make sure to remember these sad little posts like this clown just made come November when the PS3 craze hits full force...

Re:That somewhat vacant hollow sound... (1, Interesting)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743080)

I completely agree.

Sony seems to forget that what made their past consoles so popular was because it appealed to the "casual gamer". People who were looking to get in at a reasonable price point and people who only bought one because it's what their friends had. A lot of people bought the PS2 because at the time it was a cheap DVD player. and while the PS3 might be a cheap Blu-Ray player it's still more expensive then the (now proven to be) superior HD-DVD players, not to mention neither next gen movie formats have met much excitement.

Aside from the Playstation name Sony is ignoring just about everything that made their past consoles so popular.

Re:That somewhat vacant hollow sound... (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743213)

Blu-Ray player it's still more expensive then the (now proven to be) superior HD-DVD players

Is there a source for that?

Not flaming, I'm actually interested.

Re:That somewhat vacant hollow sound... (0, Troll)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743287)

http://www.projectorcentral.com/blu-ray_2.htm [projectorcentral.com]
http://www.centredaily.com/mld/centredaily/busines s/14950018.htm [centredaily.com]

Basically Blu Ray is only single layer, loaded with advertisement (less room for movie content) and using the MPEG2 codec while HD-DVD is dual layer and using the VC-1 codec. walk into your local Best Buy and you should see some displays side by side, the differences are astounding... particularly because we waited longer for Blu Ray, it costs more and HD-DVD is still better quality.

Re:That somewhat vacant hollow sound... (1)

burnetd (90848) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743315)

I'd guess he's refering to the issue that you some stupid reason the first batch of blu-ray discs used MPEG2 encoding instead of one of the MPEG4 variants like VC-1 to H264 that the first HD-DVD's, so they looked a little worse.

See Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] about 3/4 of the way down.

They are also ignoring the only reason that HD-DVD players are cheaper than blu-ray is because Toshiba is taking a PS3 style loss [tvpredictions.com] on the players.

Logic redundancy? (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742833)

Can someone elaborate on this quote?

With chips that are one-by-one and silicon germanium, we can get yields of 95 percent. With a chip like the Cell processor, you?re lucky to get 10 or 20 percent. If you put logic redundancy on it, you can double that. It?s a great strategy, and I?m not sure anyone other than IBM is doing that with logic. Everybody does it with DRAM. There are always extra bits in there for memory. People have not yet moved to logic block redundancy, though.

Does that mean, logic redundancy built into the chip itself? or some other kind of process?

(aside to CmdrTaco: "Now-go-cry-about-the-price dept." No kidding. How much was my last iPod?)

Re:Logic redundancy? (4, Informative)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742892)

I would guess that they are referring to the 'spare' co-processor on each Cell: each Cell has 7 SPEs (co-processors) working, but there are actually 8 in the silicon. That way, if one of the SPEs doesn't work during testing, you can just disable it and still keep the chip.

Re:Logic redundancy? (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743093)

That is what they are refering to. But even allowing for the redundant SPE, satisfactory yeilds are only at 10%. So basically Sony is paying for 10 processors for every shipped processor. No doubt this will increase as time passes and they refine the process. IBM's current 3 core PowerPC processors (the 360's processor for all those fanboys watching) is currently yeilding about 60%. The cell is effectivly a single core PowerPC with 8 SPEs strapped on, the issue is with the SPEs, not the core itself. The other problem with this chip design (apart from the obvious coding complexity) is that cores are prone to failure after the testing phase. This could mean something far worse than the disc read error of the PS2 or the 360 heating issues. The games are allowed 5 SPEs and the core, so no doubt most will use these. The remaining 2 assumingly functional SPEs are reserved for the OS and DRM (that's right, blu ray required an entire 3.2 Ghz processor for it's DRM).

The other issue that I am less informed of and have just heard traces of across the net is that there are too few blu diodes for the blu ray drive, any even if enough for the PS3, what about the players that need to be release on that ever further away date. No use releasing a new format with only a game mechine capable of playing the format. Yes the PS3 is cheaper than Sony's blu ray players (or any other from my knowledge) but the average consumer will certainly not see it in this way, it's a branding issue. Many people don't understand gaming and will dismiss it as a toy.

Re:Logic redundancy? (2, Interesting)

Jimmy King (828214) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743205)

I believe what is being referred to are the extra circuits that are built into DRAM. They have "spares" built into them assuming that a certain percentage are going to be bad, in which case one of the spare circuits is used instead.

Ramping Up (4, Funny)

CopaceticOpus (965603) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742842)

In other news, I'd like to announce that I'm putting $20 per week away in anticipation of meeting my goal of affording a PS3 at launch. There has been speculation about low yield (ok, so I already spent $10 of this week's money at Taco Bell.) But I'm hoping to be able to ramp up production in time to meet my goal of $1000 (PS3, a couple games, 4 controllers.) I'm sure my boss will understand and give me that raise!

Re:Ramping Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742936)

> But I'm hoping to be able to ramp up production in time to meet my goal of $1000 (PS3, a couple games, 4 controllers.

Gee, let's see:

The PS3 costs 499
Pre-order lists for games show them at 60 bucks or so.
So you are all the way up to 620.

And you need 5 game controllers for what? exactly?

You fail at FUD and math, don't quit your Taco Bell job.

Re:Ramping Up (1)

mrtivo (869568) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743224)

The non-castrated PS3 is $599. I imagine 4 controllers will be $100, plus a few games and you are getting awfully close to $1000. Throw in tax and bundling fees, and you're there.

Re:Ramping Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743281)

"The non-castrated PS3 is $599"

Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzttt!

Who the fuck do you think you are fooling with that same tired old bullshit Xbox fanboy?

The 499 PS3 does everything the 599 PS3 does - plays every game exactly the same, plays every BC game exactly the same, plays all movies exactly the same. The 499 does 1080p over component, the 599 does it over HDMI.

Unless you need extra media ports or WiFi the 499 PS3 will be the system the vast majority of gamers will buy.

Give it a rest, no one is fooled by your FUD.

Re:Ramping Up (1)

mrtivo (869568) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743369)

If they truly plan to have downloadable content, 60GB will be essential. Plus WiFi is nice so you don't have to run an unsightly network cable to your TV. I don't care about HDMI, but the larger HD and WiFi is more important than you think.

Re:Ramping Up (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743549)

The WiFi is useless if you ask me... If the online service is anything like Live, they can stuff it (Subscription fee, plus micro-payments, plus advertising. Absurd and unacceptable.).

As for the hard drive, it remains to be seen if you can hook up external storage. If you can, why spend the money on the more expensive PS3 when you can spend that money on hundereds of gigabytes of third-party storage instead?

Regardless of all that, I hope Sony sells TONS of the cheaper model. If a majority of BluRay players don't support HDCP it'll be that much better for the rest of us.

Re:Ramping Up (1)

cflannagan (870780) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743371)

I'm speechless whenever I see a Sony fanboy try to defend PS3's pricing. Oh, for the record, I owned a PS2 before. And I don't even have a XBox or 360, so don't have a knee-jerk reaction by calling me a XBox fanboy.

Re:Ramping Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743243)

Except he obviously meant he wanted the non cheapie version...
so, 120 + 699 + 75 (3 controllers)

699 + 120 + 75 = 894
+ sales tax of say 5% = 938 and change...that is close enough to a thousand to call it a thousand.

You fail at astroturfing, dont quit your low paid job at sony.

C'mon, what we REALLY wanna see is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742845)

RIDGE racer! Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiidge racer!

PS3 On Target For Launch Quantities (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742856)

"The news comes amid concerns that Sony may not have enough Cell and RSX chips to meet production goals of 2 million units for launch. "

Well, apparently those concerns were invalid... This article and others make it clear that Sony is right on schedule with PS3 production.

Reality 1
Zonk/FUD 0

Re:PS3 On Target For Launch Quantities (0, Offtopic)

Valthan (977851) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742913)

I like to Zonk bash as much as anyone else, but well, that was said by CmdrTaco... so... umm... thanks anyway...?

Re:PS3 On Target For Launch Quantities (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742985)

Retard, Zonk has become synonymous with FUD.

GNU/Linux
Zonk/FUD

Now run along dipshit.

Two consoles providers? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742890)

We know about ASUSTek quality but how about the other one? The article does not relate anything about the quality assurance of the soon-to-be-shipped units. Will both companies meet the same quality? Both makers will use the same components? etc..

Assembly ramping (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742905)

The original article says that component suppliers estimate they will be supplying 1m component sets per month from Sept (i.e. 2m for Sept/Oct). That's the target, not 2m per month.

Remember also that Asus is only one of the assemblers. Sony themselves is assembling, and Foxconn may be pulled in later. If Asus is assembling 200k in the month between June and July, Sony themselves could be doing the same number i.e. 400k. Which would make 1m/month total between all assemblers actually quite possible by Sept, assuming all goes to plan.

So much could happen to bottleneck the supply, and their rather ambitious targets, but this does sound like a great start. It's also much earlier than I expected (for comparison, MS started assembling 360s in September before its November launch).

vaporware? (-1, Offtopic)

mvnicosia (937268) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742922)

When will Slashdot start tagging PS3 articles as "Vaporware"? I'm sorry, did I just Troll?

Re:vaporware? (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743027)

self-pwn3d! sucker!

Re:vaporware? (0, Troll)

OldeTimeGeek (725417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743226)

About the same time that they tag Wii articles as the same? You can't buy those yet, either.

Oh, sorry, I forgot where I was. Nintendo can do no wrong. Everything Nintendo says is true. Ignorance is strength.

Re:vaporware? (1)

oahazmatt (868057) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743471)

Oh, Nintendo can do wrong. Case in point, Virtual Boy.

As someone who's not going to buy the dang thing, I do take objection to tagging the PS3 as Vaporware. Since when does arranging deals with manufacturers equate to "it's never being released"? The Phantom is one thing, but to tag Sony's next big thing as vaporware is ridiculous.

Wow! All I got to say is... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742943)

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!

And yeah, that's a call of joy and excitement.

Only 200K? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15742944)

From memory I remember Sony saying that they were going to manufacturing 1m a month, seems like Sony got there numbers wrong again, and far higher than the truth. Who'd of thunk it?

Also, my math could be wrong but 200K per month until November doesn't equal 2m.

Should be plenty (2, Interesting)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742964)

If the general interest everywhere else is like it is here, 2 million should be more than enough to cover launch. Its a bit jacked up how the "bad buzz" has spread well beyond the internet, especially since its somethig none of us have seen yet. My brother in law was asking me about the xbox 360 yesterday, and was telling me how he heard the ps3 was an overpriced piece of ****. He has no home computer nor email account so how he heard this I have no idea, but if its any indication of the "general public" that is always discussed here as not knowing anything its not a good sign.

Re:Should be plenty (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743143)

Right...that really happened.

Re:Should be plenty (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743409)

Actually coward it did, but he read it in a game magazine, I had forgotten he gets EGM, so I guess he is more in touch than the vast hordes of clueless people that sony fans are relying on.

Re:Should be plenty (1)

TommyBear (317561) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743488)

Really? Well I'll give you a pointless anecdote to counter yours:

My FRIEND will not buy an xbox 360 because he is surrounded by people who are the general public(his friends) and all own PS2s and are buzzing about the arrival of the PS3.

So he is getting excited about the PS3 too, even though he has never owned a console. He is now saving to buy one at launch. Here in Australia that's a mean 1K.

So to sum up, you can throw around all the anecdotes and hyperbole you want. At the end of the day it's all speculation until things actually launch. The xbox is still not doing a spectacular job of selling, probably because people are waiting to see what Ninetndo and Sony are going produce. Or maybe it's content? Or maybe people don't want next-gen? Or HD? Who knows?

Also that 2 million figure will not be anywhere near enough. Those are worldwide units and last time I checked the earth's population is 6,529,296,015 and some of them have to be gamers right?

WSJ article on PS3 lookout (3, Informative)

rfunches (800928) | more than 7 years ago | (#15742966)

The Wall Street Journal ran an article today on concerns about long-term sales [wsj.com] (subscribers only, I think) for the PS3. Wall Street analysts and industry watchers are concerned that the PS3 just won't succeed with the majority of gamers, especially with the Wii's lower price tag and innovative controller and the time lead that XBox 360 has.

Supply and demand can be a bitch! (2, Insightful)

Onuma (947856) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743018)

This has happened before...PS2's yield rate was pretty crappy, if you remember. They were low on production numbers back then too. So low, in fact, that they couldn't even fulfill the numbers for the people who had preordered the system - they first went by date and who paid in full, and the next shipment went out to first-come customers.

Obviously, the PS2 did not hurt for sales at all. They supplied the numbers demanded of them eventually, and it was extremely successful. The only real killers for Sony are potentially the hype and the massive price. I saw a couple units go for well over $500 on Ebay. Personally, at $600 I won't be buying that Sony product any time soon - not unless I get about 3 pay raises!

TFA Not informative (1)

ursabear (818651) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743040)

I, for one, welcome our new Sony over... ... Oops. The sixties perhaps weren't very kind to me... Now, on topic

TFA is very short, low on content, and really doesn't do much for me. The only nugget o' information is that Sony's using some well-known suppliers for unit production.

Personally, I don't get much time to play games any more - even my kids are almost too busy to play any more. But, we really enjoy our consoles when we do get to play, so I am looking forward to the PS3. However, as before, we will wait for a good while to purchase a PS3. I'd like to avoid the 1.0 problems that will occur, and I really don't want to pay top-dollar after waiting in huge lines at launch time. We waited more than a year for a PS2, and I'm glad we bought one at that time... we've really enjoyed it, and there was no stress in the purchase. OTOH, our local Target has only recently begun to actually have a 360 or two on its shelves, so there's no telling how long it will be before PS3s actually become available here.

I don't have a lot of faith that there won't be PS3 supply issues this holiday. I might believe that Sony watched Microsoft and learned something, but I'm adopting the "wait and see" attitude.

Hon Hai Quality Issues (1)

||Plazm|| (76138) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743200)

I worked for Foxconn (a.k.a. Hon Hai) here in the states while they used their 'magic process' to manufacture PC's for one of the big PC maker's. As an Engineer its very hard to believe in a product that you see engineered with obvious flaws, built with obvious flaws, and then passed on to customers with obvious flaws. There's always some degree of this going on in any manufacturing environment. However, when these flaws go unchanged due to the wholly adopted philosophy of Quanity over Quality, such as Hon Hai uses, it is very frustrating.

I just hope that this type of manufacturing isn't passed on to the PS3 for Sony's sake and for consumer's sake (especially for the price they will be paying).

Cute tag (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743216)

Love the vaporware tag from the Sony haters. By that measure - so is the Wii - by virtue of neither being out yet. Must be one of those unmodable ways of spreading FUD that I've heard so much about.

Re:Cute tag (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743387)

There is a big difference though at least Nintendo let people actually play some wii games on some actual hardware while Sony showed video that they said was being rendered in real time behind a curtain. Im sure the ps3 will be released on time and specs wise will be infinately more powerful than the wii, but until someone actually can touch one and see a game being played on one its still vaporware.

Re:Cute tag (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743466)

Sorry I gotta disagree - Vaporware, has always meant a product or software package that was announced but never "really" in development and had no release date. This is not the case with either the Wii or the PS3. Now how MANY PS3s that's up for grabs, but with all the infrastructure in place - what do you expect to be created? The Coleco Adam 2?

FUD FUD FUD FUD FUD!

a slightly different perspective (3, Insightful)

mihalis (28146) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743272)

There seems to be a lot of concern in this discusssion to pick a winner, and then for a winner be an early adopter, but for a loser never ever buy it.

I think that's fine, I've done that myself, however for PS3 here is how it will work for me :

I will buy it - I decided a long long time ago and I don't particularly care what other peoples expectations of its features, value or prospects look like. Whether it's $600, or $1200, doesn't particularly matter to me. They last me for many years and I get a lot of fun out of them - PS2 was a particularly good deal, but if PS3 can save me buying an expensive separate dedicated blu-ray player it might also turn out to be a bargain.

I wont queue up or pay deposits or try really hard to get one early. I will simply wait until I happen to be in a store that has a pile of them and then I'll just pick one up.

I'll buy a few games - Jak and Daxter, Gran Turismo, Ratchett and Clank, maybe Pitfall. I'm sure a few wll be wicked and I'll love them. A few I'll play for an hour and give up on.

If PS3 takes off and starts to have even more awesome games, I'll buy a few more. If it's a failure, well, that's fine, I'm not too worried. Hey, maybe I'll buy an xbox 360 too. Several high-end consoles and some games works out a lot cheaper per hour of entertainment than, say, getting a babysitter and going out to the movies over and over. In a few years I'll let my daughter play some carefully chosen games from time to time.

I'm not going to pick a winner, and I'm not completely on one "side" or the other. Unless you count the side that says if I had enough money I'd have all the consoles and all the games and I also wouldn't have to work and would actually complete the odd game!

Re:a slightly different perspective (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743544)

this is a perspective that many of us in the "target demographic" cannot enjoy due to lack of resources.

I don't have the luxury of not caring about price, 'cause honestly I'd rather upgrade my computer (desperately needed) with that $600, but I probably won't be able to do that either.

Wii hold the power. :)

Lest ye forget (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15743456)

*cough* ROOTKIT *cough*

Shocking news! (1)

DrBdan (987477) | more than 7 years ago | (#15743505)

Sony is planning to sell the PS3 soon so Sony is going to actually produce some PS3s. Shocking! Astounding! Wait... isn't this generally how commerce works? Company makes product, company sells product. Must be a slow day for news.

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