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Sony Plans Deposit Scheme for PS3 in UK?

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the pointy-hair-just-getting-pointier dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Sony is reportedly in talks to introduce a new £150 per PS3 deposit scheme across retailers in the UK. The proposed scheme aims to help improve resource allocation as well as reduce the 'eBay phenomenon' which was evident with the 360's launch, deposits were secured from as little as £5 and crafty sellers would sell the console way above its retail price."

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You Decide (0)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752754)

Deposits for PS3 consoles? Are they good or are they whack?

Re:You Decide (0)

Winckle (870180) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752775)

In the UK we say "Hit Miss or Maybe", along with the accompanying hand gestures, thumbs up, thumbs down, and horizontal hand with thumb sticking out wobbling. There was even a TV show called Hit Miss Or Maybe.

Re:You Decide (1)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752949)

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Zoe Ball.
I'd hit her, errrrrr it ermmmm I'll stop drooling now.

What was the question again?

yields of the deposit? (4, Funny)

jmhewitt (811760) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752758)

Will the interest accrued help bring down the price?

Re:yields of the deposit? (1)

ElectricBrain (452147) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752989)

Yes, quite possibly by 2 whole cents.

Re:yields of the deposit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15755071)

way too much minus a couple percent is still too much.

Obligatory post (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752777)

I have nothing constructive to add to this discussion, so I'd just like you all to know that I am going to buy a Nintendo Wii instead of a PlayStation 3.

Re:Obligatory post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752819)

Me too!

Re:Obligatory post (2, Insightful)

DJHewi1025 (892912) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752872)

Same here. Who wants to waste a lot of money on a sony system? Wii all the way!

Re:Obligatory post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752935)

Well, sure, if you like toy-consoles for little children, by any means buy a Y.

Re:Obligatory post (1)

cluke (30394) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755136)

Wii Wii Wii all the way home?

Re:Obligatory post (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755547)

Someone will, and there will be enough of them that you could probably more than recoup the price on e-bay. Which I'll probably end up doing.

Re:Obligatory post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752899)

Not me. I bought a 360 instead of waiting for a PS3 that no one has seen yet and doesn't exist in its final form but is somehow magically going to be out this year.

Re:Obligatory post (1)

MuNansen (833037) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752915)

Wii will rock you!

Re:Obligatory post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752930)

Thanks for taking one for the team fella!

The rest of the gaming world will buy PS3s just like they did with the PS2 and when can all come over and laugh at your overpriced GameCube with a pointer bolted on.

Any bets on how long the hardcore Nintendo fans will be able to keep up the "I don't care about the shitty Wii graphics" attitude?

Nintendo fanboy: "Eveybody look how 'innovative' this game is because you swing the pointer!"
Console world: "Uh, yeah..."

Re:Obligatory post (1)

Easty1 (989217) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752970)

When you say 'Just like they did with the PS2', you are keeping in mind that the PS2 didn't cost you at least $700, right? I don't think you should even think about using the word 'overpriced'.

Re:Obligatory post (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752997)

Bzzzt!

Sooo...you didn't bother to know what the launch price of the PS2 was in Europe six years ago...

Better check before you run your mouth off again...

Re:Obligatory post (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753060)

We're talking about "the rest of the gaming world" besides him. This does include the UK, but it also includes the US and Japan, where the console was considerably cheaper. Japan - 17,890,000 units; North America - 32,230,000 units; Europe - 25,880,000 units; Total - 74,000,000 units (source [spong.com] ) Europe was only a third of the market on the PS3. All this proves is that the UK is full of suckers, and that only if the majority of the consoles sold in the UK were sold near launch. In fact, the majority of consoles in none of the markets were sold near launch.

Re:Obligatory post (1)

imdx80 (842737) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755139)

>In fact, the majority of consoles in none of the markets were sold near launch.

unless i'm misunderstanding what your trying to say thats pretty obvious
The majority of miles in a 100 mile journey are done after the first 10 miles

Re:Obligatory post (1)

Swordsmanus (921213) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753154)

So the PS2 went for the equivalent of ~553.00 USD (going by current rates, but currency rates were different then). The PS3 is going for the equivalent of 786.00 USD in the UK. Both consoles are priced higher in the UK than the US. Why criticize someone's PS2 vs PS3 comparison using USD when you use pounds as your refutation, then neglect to actually bring up the console comparison with pounds? Is it because in both instances the consoles come out to being more in the UK than the US, thus weakening your point? Is it because by actually comparing two prices using the same currencies instead of comparing two different currencies and acting like they're equivalent, the PS3 comes out to cost more than the PS2 by a noticable margin rather than looking like it cost as much as the PS2? Don't try to win an arguement with an appeal to ignorance. Try being honest with your facts at hand, rather than trying to twist them to make yourself look right.

Re:Obligatory post (2, Insightful)

fotbr (855184) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753682)

Because, you know, EVERYONE buys consoles based ENTIRELY on how the graphics look and what the hardware-snob magazines and reviewers say.

I'll probably end up with one of each, eventually. But I won't be buying ANY of them right around launch. Hell, I haven't even gotten around to buying a 360, and they've been out how long now? When there's games I want for the platform that I can't find for anything I already own (other consoles or PC), THEN I'll buy the platform.

Re:Obligatory post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752981)

Hey, whatever floats your boat...

I've already got a GameCube, I don't need to buy another one. I will be buying Zelda for it and couldn't care less about the silly Revmote stuff I will be 'missing' out on.

So where are all of these Revolution games that are supposed to be so innovative? So far all I see is a bunch of normal console games with GameCube level graphics.

Re:Obligatory post (1)

c_forq (924234) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753188)

bunch of normal console games with GameCube level graphics

I know I shouldn't but I have to bite on this one. So far everything I've seen from the Wii looks quite a bit above the Gamecube in graphics level, which I think leaves it in great shape given that Resident Evil 4 was one of the best looking games of any console of the previous generation.

Re:Obligatory post (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755540)

I've already got a GameCube, I don't need to buy another one. (...) So where are all of these Revolution games that are supposed to be so innovative? So far all I see is a bunch of normal console games with GameCube level graphics.

Hahaha... Sorry, that doesn't even warrant a real reply. Come on, Ken, post with your real Login name.

Re:Obligatory post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752996)

What's really astonishing is that the deposit on the PS3 is probably what you'll pay for the Wii!

Remember when the 360 came out and everyone said it was too expensive...
Still, to give Sony credit I'd bet a kidney that they sell out whatever they do. Paint it electric pink, bundle it with a wheelbarrow of rotten chicken bits and sell it for 750 quid and it'll still fly off the shelves.

Re:Obligatory post (2, Insightful)

justchris (802302) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753806)

How did this get rated insightful? Funny I could see, but insightful?

Re:Obligatory post (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15754219)

It's because the Nintendo fanboyism runs so rampant. Truly a bunch of morons with mod points.

Re:Obligatory post (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755367)

It was insightful in its sarcasm?

Re:Obligatory post (1)

Aceticon (140883) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755538)

I guess it can be seen as subtle criticism to the excess of Sony-PS3 articles and all the attention which is being given around here at the moment to all PS3ish things.

Some of us are kind of fed up with all the viral marketing type of articles about the PS3 around here when we have already decided that the PS3 is most likelly a dead fish anyways and even if it isn't we've already made our minds to get something else for our gaming needs so we don't really care that much.

Then again, maybe it's just me.

Re:Obligatory post (1)

ObligatoryUserName (126027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754679)

Hey, I didn't write that! I've been framed!

Oh yeah, I'm buying a Wii instead of a PlayStation 3 as well...

An excellent idea (2)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752782)

To me this seems like a good plan, as with every console release the number of people buying systems for eBay has gone up and up. I would be surprised if even half of the people in line at Best Buy last year for a 360 were buying them for themselves...

Even better though, they have got to set a cap on the number of systems you can buy. However I do feel that all of these solutions should be more up to the retailer than anyone, which is why Sony is working with them on thinking through how to smartly work with pre-orders so people who want the consoles can get them.

Re:An excellent idea (1)

Tyger (126248) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752944)

But what reason does the retailer have to care? As long as they move inventory, they make money.

Re:An excellent idea (2, Informative)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752985)

The retailer really doesn't care, but the manufacturer* probably does care. If people can't buy the units at retail and the only place they are available is eBay at an inflated price, it probably doesn't help the launch of the platform. It probably isn't helpful for game developers either. In the long run, it probably hurts them quite a bit because they waste their initial momentum. It gets perceived as a "bungled launch".

*I realize that the term "manufacturer" probably isn't the right term anymore since pretty much all consumer electronics are made by contract manufacturers. But in the case of the PS2/3, I mean Sony. I guess maybe a better term would be "platform owner", but it sounds awkward and confusing.

Re:An excellent idea (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15754581)

Designer.

Goodwill and tie-ins (2, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753001)

I would say it's likley that a retailer would be more likley to see people who bought a console at a particular store come back to same store to buy games.

Let's say a Gamestop in Podunk, Iowa sells thirty consoles and 20 of them go off via eBay to the coast. That Gamestop may (stupidly) be stocking games for thirty people with only ten customers can be had, and is going to have a rough go of it.

Basically, getting a real customer to buy from a store instead of a middleman generates a lot of goodwill which is good for a store.

Re:An excellent idea (1)

Tsiangkun (746511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752964)

I don't get how it works.

Lets say I want to get a PS3, I don't, but for the sake of discussion lets pretend I want one.

1) I go into a store, and ask that they put me on a waiting list.
2) They collect my $150 and now I'm on a waiting list.
3) My machine comes in, and they sell it to me, and
deduct my deposit from the price.

So, as long as I have money for the deposits, I'm still free to speculate on the ebay market.
I'm just not convinced ebay can support costs higher than SONY wants the device to sell for
at retail outlets.

Raises the bar though (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753017)

A lot of speculators may be unwilling to spend $150 now to get an uncertain amount later - some will, but a smaller percentage.

Actually, I seem to remember paying $50 for a PS2 preorder before they launched, so I don't think the idea is unprecidented - they just increased the amount.

Frankly though I think the $500 cost of the console alone will deter a number of pure speculators, at least until the first round of purchases and the eBay proce starts spiking. Then everyone gets the eBay fever and goes wild...

Re:Raises the bar though (2, Informative)

pecko666 (684783) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755094)

Well, you have the price wrong, 150£ is something like 300$ .. Are you realy ready to pay 300$ for a preorder ??

Sounds Good (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752793)

With manufacturing already ahead of schedule and Sony taking steps like this to assure a smooth launch, November can't come soon enough.

I don't think I've ever been so excited about a machine as the PS3.

Re:Sounds Good (2, Informative)

DeeDob (966086) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753049)

"With manufacturing already ahead of schedule" huh... The PS3 is ALREADY late. It was supposed to launch last spring! Even with the November release, with the amount of PS3 produced per month (200 000), they won't meet their expected amount of PS3s. Even if they had 3 millions ready, there's going to be a shortage. Combine that with a world-wide launch. I can already say that the launch WON'T be ANYTHING but smooth. In another note: I'm also pretty sure some law-firm is already analyzing suing Sony for defects on the PS3. The paper and the study is already done, they just have to fill the blanks with the name of the defective part. Mark my words, two weeks after the launch, Sony is gonna get sued for a high rate of defects in their PS3.

Re:Sounds Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15753247)

What a miserable little fuck you are.

The known quantities of PS3 hardware is well ahead of schedule for the 2 million for launch, 4 million by the end of the year, 6 million by March targets.

If that makes you angry, deal with it.

Revisionist history? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753317)

The PS3 is ALREADY late. It was supposed to launch last spring!

Sorry to blow through your massive Flame-On there, but the PS3 was originally supposed to launch THIS spring - in JAPAN! Is was always scheduled to launch later in the year for ths US. It is late in Japan but not yet late here. What you are thinking of was mindless speculation that Sony would be "forced" to sell PS3's earlier because the 360 was releasing last year.

Try to find any material that backs up your ill-researched assertion that is was supposed to be out spring of last year.

Re:Revisionist history? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15753622)

Sorry to blow through your massive Flame-On there, but the PS3 was originally supposed to launch THIS spring - in JAPAN!

Thank you for proving the parent right. He said it was due to launch last spring (which is the same thing as this spring, due to the ambiguity of the English language). I'm not quite sure how your agreeing with him is supposed to "blow through" anything. It was supposed to launch in the spring. It still hasn't launched. How, exactly, do you make out it's not late?

Re:Sounds Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15754235)

How can "No matter how many they make, they'll still sell out" and "disaster" be in the same sentence?

I mean, in what sense is selling every single item you can build at a high price a bad thing?

"Oh no! Lexus can only build 10,000 automobiles this year, and they're selling them out at $20m a piece, what ever shall they do!"

Re:Sounds Good (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754726)

"Oh no! Lexus can only build 10,000 automobiles this year, and they're selling them out at $20m a piece, what ever shall they do!"

A Lexus, being a car, doesn't require 3rd party support (games, accessories, etc..) to actually be worthwhile.

Sure, Sony can put out only 50k units, sell out in 28 minutes, and call it a "market victory." But if those numbers don't spike soon after, who's going to make games for it?

It's like games for Linux. Game developers don't give a damn what percentage of your manufacutring run you sell. They care about how many copies of their game THEY can potentially sell.

Re:Sounds Good (1)

kn0tw0rk (773805) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754775)

A Lexus, being a car, doesn't require 3rd party support (games, accessories, etc..) to actually be worthwhile.

I would have thought a service/gas station is 3rd party support for a car.

Re:Sounds Good (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754927)

Fair enough, except there's not a different "format" of gasoline for each make of car. Hess can fill up my both my Kia(Hey, it was cheap) and my Yamaha, as well as my mother's Ford and my buddy's Nissan.

Re:Sounds Good (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755245)

Actually, at least in the UK, there's 2 types of unleaded, 1 type of LRP, 1 type of LPG and diesel.

Not every station has everything. One of the big problems in the take up of LPG powered cars (despite the fuel being half the price) is that they're in the catch where no-one buys the cars because they can't fill them up. No-one provides the chance for them to fill it up because only 3 people own the cars.

Re:Sounds Good (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755378)

Okay, the analogy has gone too far, and my ADD-like curiosity has gotten the better of me. :)

By "types" I assume you don't mean "grades," right? I find that interesting.

And what are LRP and LPG?

Re:Sounds Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15755394)

LPG = liquid petroleum gas (butane/propane). And you don't want to put that into a petrol (octane) tank because it's pressurised.

Re:Sounds Good (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15755007)

In other words : as long as you have electricity you'll be happy with a ps3. Who needs games/movies anyway?

Re:Sounds Good (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755376)

If it really runs Linux and it's not crippled too much that would be true.

Except when you lose money on each one (1)

Namarrgon (105036) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754727)

The reason Sony is subsidising the PS3 by so much is to sell as many consoles as they can so the install base goes up - bigger market for their developers. If they can't build enough, the market doesn't grow much, and they might as well have not bothered subsidising them.

Oh well. For every console they didn't build, that's ~$300 saved in subsidies, at least.

Add to that... (2, Funny)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753064)

that there will be few if any manufacturing defects and the new Bluray drives will operate the almost overwhelming range of launch titles flawlessly as each and every game display 1080p of pure goodness where the difference between the PS3 and 360 will appear so palpable, so distinguishable that Microsoft stock will tumble upon the very whisper of the name, "PS3". Like Chuck Norris before it, the very name PS3 will command respect and strike fear in the competition.

Re:Add to that... (0, Offtopic)

p!ssa (660270) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754011)

Sir I take great offense at you using Chuck Norris for simple humor, lets go over some FACTs shall we:

1. Chuck Norris tears cure cancer. Too bad he has never cried.

2. Chuck Norris does not sleep. He waits.

3. Chuck Norris is currently suing NBC, claiming Law and Order are trademarked names for his left and right legs.

4. The chief export of Chuck Norris is pain.

5. Chuck Norris defines love as the reluctance to murder. If you still alive, its because Chuck Norris loves you.

6. Chuck Norris isnt hung like a horse. Horses are hung like Chuck Norris.

7. If you can see Chuck Norris, he can see you. If you cant see Chuck Norris you may be only seconds away from death.

8. Rather than being birthed like a normal child, Chuck Norris instead decided to punch his way out of his mothers womb.

9. There are no disabled people. Only people who have met Chuck Norris.

10. Chuck Norris can win a game of Monopoly without owning any property.

11. There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris allows to live.

12. In fine print on the last page of the Guinness Book of World Records it notes that all world records are held by Chuck Norris, and those listed in the book are simply the closest anyone has ever gotten.

13. Chuck Norris invented cancer because he was tired of killing people

14. In an average living room there are 1,242 objects Chuck Norris could use to kill you, including the room itself.

15. Chuck Norris is the only man to ever defeat a brick wall in a game of tennis.

16. Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding.

17. When Chuck Norris goes to donate blood, he declines the syringe, and instead requests a hand gun and a bucket.

18. Chuck Norris has two speeds: walk and kill.

19.When Chuck Norris jumps into a body of water, he doesnt get wet. The water gets Chuck Norris instead.

20. Chuck Norris can divide by zero.

21. Chuck Norris can set ants on fire with a magnifying glass. At night.

22. When Chuck Norris runs with scissors, other people get hurt.

23. When Bill Bixby gets mad he turns into the Incredible Hulk. When the Incredible Hulk get's mad he turns into Chuck Norris

24. Chuck Norris can win a game of connect four in three moves.

25. Chuck Norris counted to infinity - twice.

You wont live to see your precious little PS3 after that post mister!@

You Must Be Young (1)

Amigori (177092) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754615)

Seriously, you must be young... I've seen every console launch in the last 20 years and vaguely remember a few prior to that. The best launch, IMO, was the Super Nintendo. SMW & 2 contollers as a pack-in game. Huge step forward over the NES in terms of graphics, more comfortable controller, and did I mention Super Mario World?

The Sega Dreamcast launch was rather impressive too, I was sad to see that system fail. PS2 never impressed me much after playing the DC and I wasn't much of a Ridge Racer 4 fan. I didn't buy my XBox until it had been out for more than a year 'cause the launch games didn't impress me much. The Gamecube is a good system, but didn't have a great launch. Come on...Luigi with a vacuum?

Top Console Launches (IMO):

1. SNES
2. Sega Dreamcast
3. NES
4. PSX
5. Genesis
So you are either too young to remember anything else, including the PS2 launch, or are a true Sony fanyboy. And I don't think your parents are going to be too eager to shell out $600+ in November.

Information wants to be FREE (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752808)

It will only be a matter of time before I RIGHTFULLY pirate my copy of PS3.

fools

Re:Information wants to be FREE (1)

jbarket (530468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752885)

Are you high? You understand that it's a video game console, and not a piece of software, right?

Re:Information wants to be FREE (3, Funny)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752999)

Yarrr, there be more than one kind o' pirate, ya know! I doubt they be shippin' those PS3s over to the English Isles by aeroplane, and thar be an ocean ta cross! And what 'ave you got in an ocean? Pirates!

...

Although I'm not sure exactly how pirates would actually use a PS3, I doubt that most pirate ships have upgraded to HDTV yet. Maybe that'll be happen during another raid.

I don't get it (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752824)

Why hasn't Zonk added his personal bash at Sony to the summary? Is he ill? Has Sony had him replaced by an android double? Something isn't right here.

Uh oh... (3, Funny)

SoulMaster (717007) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752860)

Well, it's a good thing I earned $1500 selling my five 360's! That means I can reserve 10!

Funny PS3 Pre-Order Side Note (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752879)

People who work at stores that have been taking PS3 pre-orders this month are laughing at the fact that apparently PS3 pre-orders are outselling their over the counter Xbox 360 sales.

Sony and teh PS3 are teh doomed!

Heh.

Re:Funny PS3 Pre-Order Side Note (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753756)

Um, yeah. It's new.

In other news, ipod sales totally blew away phonograph sales this month.

Opertunity cost? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15752918)

So a Wii costs about the same as a deposite on a PS3...?

Futureshop.ca - Similar idea (2, Informative)

MrJynxx (902913) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752921)

Futureshop.ca had something that was even better than this idea.

Once they had a tentative allocation # from MS. They began allowing pre-orders of 10 xbox360's per day for a month or two (basically had an allocation of approx 600 or so). So if all of the 10 were gone you'd have to wait for the next day.

One night I was up really really late, and it turns out futureshop.ca is PST time, so I jumped online at 3am EST and was able to secure a pre-order (didn't charge my card until the day of shipping) . And surprisingly futureshop(Bestbuy actually owns them) got my 360 out to me on launch day!

So I laughed at all the hordes of people lining up at bestbuy/futureshop on launch day.. and have been loving it ever since (well, until some good games came out, launch day games kinda sucked).

MrJynxx

Great. (0, Redundant)

Easty1 (989217) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752928)

Just in case you felt you weren't paying enough for the PS3.

This could be interesting (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752936)

This could give atleast a small clue towards decifering the mainstream opinion on the PS3, in the UK atleast. It'd be interesting to see how popular such an option is if it comes to be. Unfortunate that we cannot apply this to the rest of the world opinion, though.

Even better would be if the same deal could go over with the Wii. Now that would be an interesting comparison!

Re:This could be interesting (1)

Lectrik (180902) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753676)

Even better would be if the same deal could go over with the Wii. Now that would be an interesting comparison!

umm... the currency converter here [concierge.com] converted 150 uk pounds to 267.80 US Dollars... would you really want to make a $267 down payment on a consol that everyone is expecting to cost $250 at most?

Re:This could be interesting (1)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754351)

Hehe, oops. Stuck in dollars still. Yet, I could see putting that amount down if it included a game (assuming Wii is $200.)

150 UKP Deposit? (4, Insightful)

Aphrika (756248) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752945)

Ummm... I may be getting the wrong end of the stick here, but just how exactly does that stop people selling the console for extortionate amounts on eBay? They have to buy the console for the full price before eBaying it, so that 150 UKP deposit only goes so far as to ensure they get one to sell on...

It certainly won't discourage entrepreneurs who want to make a bit of cash, and (maybe I'm cynical) looks more like Sony trying to make people commit to a purchase. I'd certainly feel uneasy ponying up a quarter of the console's price before launch.

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753004)

Not really "+1 insightful", given that the question is raised in TFA. But certainly a valid question. Perhaps you have to pay via some form of card, so that they can see who is buying them and try and enforce a maximum of n purchases?

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753081)

Perhaps you have to pay via some form of card, so that they can see who is buying them and try and enforce a maximum of n purchases?

They already have a system in place for this, it's called a long-ass line and one unit per transaction. You get in line, you get to buy one machine, then you get back in line. If you're lucky, you get another one. But you aren't, because they don't have enough to give everyone in the line one, let alone more than one.

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753177)

> They already have a system in place for this, it's called a long-ass line and one unit per
> transaction. You get in line, you get to buy one machine, then you get back in line. If you're
> lucky, you get another one. But you aren't, because they don't have enough to give everyone in
> the line one, let alone more than one.

Sure, but it would be extra effort to set up your retail system to compare credit card numbers against orders in all your branches and stop people from buying more than one machine. Also, from the retailer's point of view, why would you wish to prevent sales? The very idea is laughable.

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753215)

Also, from the retailer's point of view, why would you wish to prevent sales? The very idea is laughable.

They want to prevent one person from getting multiple units. See, if one person buys them all, then tons of people have to go home pissed off that they didn't get any. Hope this clears things up for you.

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15753462)

Just to add a little more, it not just people going home pissed off, it's that, in general, people are more likely to return to the same store they bought the PS3 to buy games for it. One per customer spreads those few available units as wide as possible.

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753507)

people are more likely to return to the same store they bought the PS3 to buy games for it.

Are they really? How strange. I'm most likely to buy a game used off the 'net - but then, I won't be buying a PS3 anytime near launch. Or any other time before it's $200 or less, if I can't run general purpose linux on it.

Barring that, I'm next most likely to just visit whatever store I'm closest to :P

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (1)

Threni (635302) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754998)

> See, if one person buys them all, then tons of people have to go home pissed off that they didn't
> get any. Hope this clears things up for you.

No, if one person buys them all, tons of people have to order them and leave a deposit, or look elsewhere. Some of the people buying them at your shop were pissed off cos they couldn't buy them elsewhere. Pissing people off because your shop sold out is preferable to having stock on the shelves because of a pointless `one each` policy.

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (3, Funny)

tktk (540564) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753112)

You're assuming this scheme to help UK consumers. It's just another method for Sony to screw themselves. The people who do the pre-order are going to be one of the last people to get their systems.

The Sony board must have some sort Brewster's Millions bet going on. If they successfully trash Sony as a company, they'll get a better one.

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (1)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753436)

Ah well, here's how it works - Only those with a vested interest in getting the console will pay such a large deposit up front. You know - serious gamers. And those who want to sell it on ebay. DOH!

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (1)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754357)

Well, you might argue that it may be used to prevent people from pre-ordering too many of them. I mean, if you wanted to make a lot of money easily, you could have pre-orderd 20 PS3's at 5UKP for 100UKP and resell them twice the full price. Now, preordering at 150UKP nets you an investment of 3000UKP, which not a lot of people are willing to dump right now on something that is shipping only 5 months from now. That may be what they're thinking.

But then, the problem with this theory is that this situation wouldn't even happen with a 5UKP preorder, simply because you still have to pay the balance on launch day, which 20 PS3 is going to cost you a lot of money.

Re:150 UKP Deposit? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15754764)

The idea, I believe, is to make pre-ordering a mass quantity of PS3's for eBaying too risky to be worth it. This time last year, someone could think "I bet there will be an XB360 shortage," fork over $10 per console for 5 pre-orders, and if they were wrong they would be out a whopping $50. With the PS3, they would be out $750. Or, a more conspiracy-theoryish explanation: Sony is worried there won't be high demand on release day, so they cook up an explanation in advance for why there are no outrageously overpriced PS3's on eBay immediately after launch. If there are outrageously priced PS3's on eBay, they just shrug and say "at least we tried!"

how about a different aproach (1)

lazarusdishwasher (968525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15752987)

clearly people will pay way too much to make sure they get a ps3. I have been at physical auctions before and one of the things they do if they want to sell a bunch of boxes in no particular order is have the normal bid process, then when they have a winner the winner chooses how many boxes he wants at that price, after that they ask if anybody else wants in at that price, once they are done with that they start all over. In a computer implementation of this you would not have to rebid because you have a clear record of who bid what amount.

If Sony could do this they would make more money and stop the people who resell, because if you are the wining bidder you have already demonstrated that you are willing to pay more.

If I had to run this program I would not let the stores sell until they auction site is selling them for just above the normal price. To save on shipping costs the demo ps3 could be sent to game stores to be used as the mechanism for entering the auction and the stores could take a cut of the auction price buy having the winners show up at the store to take delivery.

It would be cool... (1)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753080)

... if Sony and eBay could get together and ban the sales of PS3's on eBay for a set period of time. eBay's probably not going to turn away the chance to make all of that money, but I honestly think it would be the right thing to do.

Re:It would be cool... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15753641)

Why would it be cool? The number of people reselling consoles for high prices is a tiny fraction of the overall console-buying crowd. If they weren't buying them to resell it really wouldn't make a significant difference in console availability for the rest of the consumers.

And they and the bidding parties on eBay are both consenting adults entering into a fully understood agreement. Nobody is getting ripped off against their will. If people wish to purchase at higher prices rather than wait a few weeks or a month, then they should be free to.

Note - I'm not a reseller of consoles, and I'm the sort of person who would practice a little self-discipline and wait to purchase at a later date. I'm just pointing out that there really is no harm to others here. It's a standard and accepted mode of business, with no real moral problem.

Just a thought... (1)

Exsam (768226) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753118)

...but does this mean Sony is confident in their ability to meet demand for the console? If yes, then good for them, if no and they fall short and are unable to fufill are preorders there are going to be some VERY pissed off consumers out there. Not that i'm worried b/c i'm just waiting for Halo 3 to launch at the same time so I can finish playing Halo 2.

Re:Just a thought... (1)

Kazzahdrane (882423) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753186)

Not sure if you were being sarcastic, but you do know that Halo 3 isn't going to be out at the time of the PS3 launch, right?

Not the main problem (1)

Generic Guy (678542) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753150)

As others have pointed out, it doesn't solve the problem of selling the one you've got on eBay for scad of money -- if you'd call that a problem.

The bigger problem as I see it, like the Xbox2 launch, is those dealers which take your deposit and then turn around and sell your reserved console away anyway. I don't see how higher deposits will alleviate that issue.

The human factor... (3, Interesting)

Cryptnotic (154382) | more than 8 years ago | (#15753371)

I have a feeling that this is so that people won't feel like they're paying $600 for a game system if they're actually only shelling out $400 for the system when they paid a $200 deposit 6 months earlier. It's a little trick, sort of like promising rebates, to get people to feel like they're paying less.

Whats wrong with EBay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15754039)

I have never understood the prevailing sentiment regarding people who resell consoles. When the Xbox 360 came out I spent 14 hours in line. It was cold, rainy, and miserable. I sold that console on ebay for $900. Where exactly is the problem? It's just capitalism people. Where would we be without that entrepreneurial spark? The most common argument I hear is that I deprived some poor person at the back of the line from getting a console but I place no stock in it. First, that person could have gotten in line earlier like I did. Second, some guy in Houston who was either unwilling or unable to wait in line obtained a 360 at a price he was willing to pay. So where's the harm?

Re:Whats wrong with EBay? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15755123)

You could have paid somebody else to queue for you. Or paid lots of people and run the scheme in parallel.

Picture this scenario: (3, Insightful)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754229)

A PS2 owner goes into a game shop with £150 just after they start taking preorders.

On the wall behind the counter is a big, glossy PS3 propagan^Wpreorder poster. Pay £150 now, get nothing for a month.
On the left are shelves of new Wii consoles + game for £150.
On the right there's new and used X360s for £150 or less.

You can probably guess what happens. If not you'll just have to wait 5 months to find out.

Re:Picture this scenario: (1)

cliffski (65094) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755331)

dont forget the new video cards for your PC for the same money, and probably easily the horespower of the PS3.
You probably already have a PC, and the games are cheaper.
There are just too many reasons NOT to get a PS3.

Why have a deposit? (1)

bit01 (644603) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754445)

I'm a little surprised Sony is attempting to manipulate the market with deposits etc. The people buying/selling on ebay are just responding to the demand.

Sony should respond to the demand also.

The initial release could be the premium early adopter platinum-gold-kryptonite edition with genuine plastic trim and ultrablack controller, with free HDTV TV, games, Sony Pictures DVD's and movie passes included for only $1500. They can then release progressively lower priced versions with less freebies until they get to their long term price point. This way the both the early adopters willing to pay lots of money get a premimum package and the warm fuzzies and minimal price gouging and the late adopters get it at the price point they prefer also. And the middlemen are left out in the cold. Sony could even do this with date limited vouchers and/or contest entries so that retailer stocking isn't affected and they can change direction quickly if necessary.

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It's not piracy, it's sharing. Didn't your parents teach you to share?

Re:Why have a deposit? (1)

rafemonkey (152890) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754672)

Seems like this is what they're doing... execpt the don't need to throw in the freebies.

Honestly, does anyone think the PS3 is going to stay $600 for any length of time? The early adopters get the latest and greatest, Sony takes them for as much money as they possibly can then in six to eight months they drop the price and start selling them to the rest of us.

What's the problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15754659)

The eBay prices were set by the maximum value the interested people were willing to pay. They were only so high because that's what people were willing to pay (literally - it's an auction). If people didn't bid $1200 or something stupid on an XBox360, no one would be able to sell one for $1200.

When I can buy a PS3 for $300, I'll get one. I can wait a little while.

Sony backed pre-orders (1)

grahamtriggs (572707) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754677)


When the PS2 launched in the UK, Sony operated a centralised pre-order scheme - you would still pre-order with your chosen retailer, but they had forms issued by Sony, one form for every allocated console. So, if you got a form, you knew you would get a console. You also got a few little extras from Sony.

Having gone through the debacle of the Xbox 360 launch - and in particular the poor ability of certain (major online, name begins with A) retailers to issue on a first-come, first-served basis - makes you appreciate what Sony did with the PS2. Furthermore, it would be possible to have Sony validate each pre-order only allowing one console per household. It's not entirely foolproof, but would be more effective in reducing eBayers [than taking £150 deposits]

PS3 price will drop once supplies aren't scarce (1)

Leknor (224175) | more than 8 years ago | (#15754965)

I've maintained among my friends the Sony wants to make as much as possible from the initial over-demand like the 360 had and is starting with an expensive price to make more profits early on. Once the PS3 can be found rather easily in stores they'll drop the price to something competitive.

I think their smartest move would be to simply launch the PS3 on eBay. That way they can make most money from those rich kids that I envy so much. Too bas this would piss retailers off so much it would have negative long term effects.

Hmmm.. what to do with about £150?... (2, Insightful)

ukfumbler (990115) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755030)

Option 1) A *deposit* for a PS3

Option 2) A Wii

Ebay wont be an issue (2, Funny)

thelonestranger (915343) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755110)

They wont be able to resell the consoles on Ebay because at the time of purchase Sony will require a sample of your blood that will tie your PS3 to your genetic code, this does of course mean that you will be unable to lend your console to your friends as each time you play small hypodermics will come out of the joypad and sample your DNA to ensure you are the registered user of the console. No real change in Sony policy there though, because Sony has been bleeding gamers dry for the past 10 years ;)

Really, really dumb marketing plan. (1)

iainl (136759) | more than 8 years ago | (#15755435)

OK, UK Slashdot readers, here's the pitch. In order to buy a PS3, we'd like you to give us £150 now, and the remaining £275 when we actually have one in stock.

Breaking down the £425 cost into those numbers is about the dumbest thing they can do in the history of dumbness. Because you know what also costs £150? Yes, a Nintendo Wii. You know what costs £280 now (and knocking a fiver off before November isn't going to cause any pain)? Yes, an XBox 360 Premium pack.

The Wii + 360 plan has been mentioned by a few people who really like their games already. But when Sony themselves rub peoples' noses in it, they're really asking for trouble.
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