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The MySpace Ecosystem

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the wretched-hive-of-scum-and-villainy dept.

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conq writes "BusinessWeek has an article on how MySpace is developing its own ecosystem in the same way that Microsoft did it with Windows, and Apple with the iPod. From the article: 'Now, MySpace is beginning to create its own ecosystem of third-party companies that are developing features and applications for the giant digital community. The idea is to encourage other companies to use their creativity and expertise to come up with things for MySpace users that MySpace itself hasn't. That could be anything from letting people add to their MySpace home pages from a mobile phone or creating a slide show of their favorite MySpace photos."

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firstimus postimus by v0dka (-1, Offtopic)

DJCacophony (832334) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758781)

firstimus postimus by v0dka myspace sucks

Hating on MySpace (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15758826)

Hating on MySpace is the "in" thing. Matter of fact, it's even more cool than MySpace itself.

Re:Hating on MySpace (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15758937)

mod grandparent "informative" if not "insightful".

Re:Hating on MySpace (4, Funny)

Golias (176380) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759003)

Hating on MySpace is the "in" thing. Matter of fact, it's even more cool than MySpace itself.

Well said.

For my own part, I say anything that is equally despised by both politicians and web-design snobs can't be all bad.

Swerving back on topic, this is a non-story. There's no need to read Business Week to know this is going on. Just randomly pull up a few MySpace pages and it becomes immediately obvious, because these little third-party widgets for enhancing MySpace pages are extremely popular, and it would not take you long to stumble across a few of them.

I wouldn't call MySpace an "ecosystem", so much as I would call it a "framework." The fact that it's so crufty to begin with creates a rich environment for offering 3rd-party mods, because only a total masochist would attempt to alter a MySpace page with a text editor.

Re:firstimus postimus by v0dka (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15758851)

One million myspace faggots had it coming [slashdot.org] .

Re:firstimus postimus by v0dka (0, Offtopic)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758930)

Hey, were you perhaps the guy that invented the Goose-Poop-Scooping Machine? [foxnews.com] Cause I'm sure it would take a lot of v0dka to think that one up!

They've always had an ecosystem... (-1, Offtopic)

Red Samurai (893134) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758785)

Of morons.

Re:They've always had an ecosystem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15758816)

Vodka likes penis.

Re:They've always had an ecosystem... (3, Funny)

varmittang (849469) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758848)

Just remember, don't have an intellectual fight with a moron. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

Re:They've always had an ecosystem... (3, Insightful)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759054)

The parent will probably get rated troll. However, it's 100% true. Myspace is complete and utter garbage. First of all, the site itself is horrible. In my experience it's fully operational less than 10% of the time. Then we get these stupid messages from "Tom", the face of myspace, "I know pictures aren't working right now. Don't send me emails, I'm working on it". There's always something wrong with it.

Then pretty much every moron goes to pimp my myspace and creates a page so broken it takes 5 minutes to load. I sure do like hearing 5 music videos and Dane Cook all playing at the same time. Then they plaster the comments with "Hey gurlie. l00kin sex-c" (and that's the most legible of the comments!). Myspace pages are pretty much unusable. They are actually worse than the geocities pages of the late 90's.

I think it's hilarious when I see parents on the news talking about the "myspace generation". "Oh yeah, my son has music playing while watching tv and IMing his friends and updating his myspace all at the same time". It makes them completely unfocused and makes it possible for them to half-ass ten things at once. I think myspace and AIM are possibly the two most influencial things dumbing down children in america today. I actually think that without these two things children in Amercia would be smarter. Would you want to leave that legacy? Dumbing down an entire generation...

Re:They've always had an ecosystem... (1)

Red Samurai (893134) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759169)

Amen man. Amen.

Re:They've always had an ecosystem... (3, Interesting)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759208)

I think it's hilarious when I see parents on the news talking about the "myspace generation". "Oh yeah, my son has music playing while watching tv and IMing his friends and updating his myspace all at the same time". It makes them completely unfocused and makes it possible for them to half-ass ten things at once. I think myspace and AIM are possibly the two most influencial things dumbing down children in america today. I actually think that without these two things children in Amercia would be smarter. Would you want to leave that legacy? Dumbing down an entire generation...

Hey it started way before MySpace. Every generation has had its dumbing down influence: Rock 'N Roll in the 50's, Drugs in 60's, Disco and more Drugs in the 70's, Video Games in the 80's... Sure, none of these things are harmful in and of themselves, but the issue has always been one of abuse. Kids who listened to the beginnings of rock in the 50's certainly didn't turn out too bad, or we wouldn't be here now. The fact is, something interesting and unique tends to make itself known every decade or so, and a cadre of devoted worshippers take this thing and run it into the ground. There's definitely a dumbing down, but I don't think it's so severe, owing to the fact that plenty of us are still here making productive lives.

Yes, MySpace sucks and is probably a big waste of a kid's time, but the fact is most of the kids who use it will not abuse it and turn out all right, while those who do abuse it will become more societal detritus that we're all going to have to pay for at some point. Nothing changes.

Re:They've always had an ecosystem... (1)

wrenhunter (619413) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759471)

Hey it started way before MySpace. Every generation has had its dumbing down influence: Rock 'N Roll in the 50's, Drugs in 60's, Disco and more Drugs in the 70's, Video Games in the 80's..
So it's getting worse, isn't it?

I must be the only one... (2, Interesting)

CtrlPhreak (226872) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758803)

I have to be the only one without myspace... I'm in the demographic I mean early twenties and I have friends with them. I have other social sites etc, but myspace really has no appeal to me. Can somebody explain to me what the deal is, because nobody thus far has been able to.

And now I'm able to myspace from anywhere and do all kinds of extra stuff with my myspace that I just don't give a rats ass about, so umm yeah... sign me up?

Re:I must be the only one... (2, Insightful)

Oliver Defacszio (550941) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758860)

In all honesty, it just appears to be a platform from which one can boast about things that may never have happened, and feel important despite never having done anything to justify having a massive ego.

In this world where one becomes a hero for dying incidentally in an explosion, is it any wonder that a public forum for ego masturbation is the fastest-growing site on the Internet?

Re:I must be the only one... (1)

CtrlPhreak (226872) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758886)

Ego masturbation eh? Seems like I need to add that to my site...

Re:I must be the only one... (1)

infestedsenses (699259) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759017)

How is this different in real life?

Re:I must be the only one... (1)

4solarisinfo (941037) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759385)

I've dated online, and that gave me my fill of phony crap from people online from that. I've looked at it once or twice, at the encouragement of a few friends, but it just makes me feel, well, like admitting you had a mullet and wore parachute pants to the D&D club back in the 80's.
I just can't imagine thinking myspace is cool.

Re:I must be the only one... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759422)

You mean like slashdot?

**DUCKS**

Re:I must be the only one... (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759599)

. . .it just appears to be a platform from which one can boast about things that may never have happened, and feel important despite never having done anything to justify having a massive ego.

Leonard Cohen has an account . . .down by the river.

KFG

Re:I must be the only one... (3, Funny)

eoeoe (555939) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758975)

You know, I hate MySpace as much as the next fellow, but this sort of response to every MySpace related article is getting redundant. 'I'm so much different than all those crazy kids. I don't get it. Can someone explain it to me?' I think your type of people should have a cage match with these type of guys [theonion.com] .

Re:I must be the only one... (2, Funny)

linvir (970218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759171)

Personally, I don't see the need in talking about not using MySpace. I'm always seeing all these people whinging about how they don't use MySpace and how stupid it is, and I'm like "What are you talking about? I don't understand!"

I just find it to be a complete and utter waste of my time, sitting on some website boasting about how little I like a website. But what I don't understand is how this can be, when so many of my friends are jumping right on the bandwagon and hating on MySpace 24/7. Anyone know what the big deal is with not liking MySpace?

Re:I must be the only one... (5, Informative)

crlove (857212) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758979)

I will give you one honest way I've found myspace useful. I'm 26, out of school for a little bit. MySpace has been a great "no pressure" way to get back in contact with those people I haven't spoken to in a few years.

You know, there are those people you had some classes with, saw at parties, ran in the same general crowd, but never became close friends. With MySpace, you can just search for school/graduating class/etc. come across these people you hadn't thought about in awhile, and make them your "friend".

No need to have lengthy conversations, you don't even have to talk to each other at all. But it never hurts to have those contacts in case you're really bored one weekend/job hunting/whatever. Then you just leave a comment or send an email saying, "Wanna head to the bar this weekend?" "Oh, I see you work at Initech, could I give you my resume?" or just "Hey, remember that time...?"

In short, it's a great link to people you know but don't have the need and/or desire to talk to all the time.
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Re:I must be the only one... (1)

crlove (857212) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759005)

Also, I should add that Facebook might be a better way to do this, but I was out of school before I could sign up. So, MySpace is an ok alternative.

Re:I must be the only one... (1)

BTWR (540147) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759574)

I do the same thing, but on Friendster. MySpace is a little more emo teen/friends-thats-aren't-really-friends page (I know maybe 20% of the people on my MySpace, but 100% of the people on my Friendster are genuine friends).

Re:I must be the only one... (3, Interesting)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759004)

I was listening to the radio this morning, and a middle-aged radio host said to him myspace is like the VCR was to his parents' generation - it has no purpose and just sits there blinking 12:00. I don't "get" myspace either (never visited), but it must be popular if even people on the radio who don't know what it is, still know about it.

Re:I must be the only one... (3, Funny)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759190)

A better analogy would be that the VCR is the internet and MySpace is people recording themselves talking about inane stuff and exchanging the tapes with others. If there's something about that I don't "get", I'd rather stay ignorant.

Re:I must be the only one... (4, Funny)

Zabu (589690) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759191)

What the fuck is a radio?

Re:I must be the only one... (2, Insightful)

dave562 (969951) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759031)

I have to be the only one without myspace... I'm in the demographic I mean early twenties and I have friends with them. I have other social sites etc, but myspace really has no appeal to me. Can somebody explain to me what the deal is, because nobody thus far has been able to.

The appeal isn't for you, it's for the non-computer literate crowd. It provides them something to do with the internet. It the one place on the net where it's okay to admit you use a computer. Seriously. There are "hot chicks" and "cool guys" on MySpace... the very same kinds of people who would laugh at you if you told them you use a computer to talk to your friends in IRC. But since they are talking to each other on MySpace, it's acceptable.

I had a MySpace page for about six months. I had to delete it because my girlfriend went nuts over all of the girls who sent me friends requests that I accepted. (Yes, I'm pussy whipped) The thing is, I wasn't even looking for women. The only thing I really did on MySpace was stay in touch with people from high school and talk about Taoism on the Taoism group. It was kind of cool to meet random people who shared similar interests tho.

Egads (2, Interesting)

Gr8Apes (679165) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759133)

They've "re-invented" USENET by the sound of your description. Or rather, what USENET would have evolved into if AOL had not connected to the internet before the web was born.

Re:Egads (1)

dave562 (969951) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759285)

The "groups" feature is certainly comparable to Usenet (without the binaries groups). I think that what MySpace did was create an easy to use interface that included some of the most asked for components of a personal webpage. Specifically, people can put in information about themselves, link themselves to their friends and search for new friends. You don't have to know any HTML to get your own MySpace page going.

Re:I must be the only one... (1)

CtrlPhreak (226872) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759168)

Ok, I'm biting... I'm not doing anything today, Horay for myspace. Plus I don't want to be that tv guy... (see the onion link below)

Re:I must be the only one... (0, Redundant)

kungfujesus (969971) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759189)

i don't use myspace, myspace is for noobs

Re:I must be the only one... (1)

p33p3r (918997) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759199)

I have to be the only one without myspace
Sure you are...and so am I.
watch what you say, watch what you thimk, watch what you post
YOU ARE being MONITORED
corporate HR personnel DO monitor myspace.com, so if you really want that promotion...WATCH!

Myspace isn't so bad... (3, Interesting)

sivartis (634876) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758806)

Other than having no privacy, but hell, I don't go there for that. I'm findnig it's great for keeping in touch with friends who otherwise would be but a shadowy spectre in some distant land (Wisconsin). I do with it was a little more stable. I understand that with 90 million users whings get a little hairy, but is it too much to ask that they upgrade to handle the bandwidth demand? And expand their features. If I make a comment on someone's blog that they respond to, let me know. Little thing, people. Little things.

Re:Myspace isn't so bad... (1)

Fozzyuw (950608) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759287)

Woohoo, Wisconsin FTW!

Anyhoo... I'm actually not sure if I've ever actually gone to MySpace before. I have no interest in the MySpace/FaceBook kind of sites. I don't know. I just don't want to use them. Heck, and I'm a website programmer as my profession. Though, I'm surprised they don't have some of these simple features.

New features.. wooo (2, Interesting)

JakeX (978243) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758812)

Wow thats great, maybe someone might actually come up with a page design application that doesn't have flashing gifs, multiple videos, tacky backgrounds for my(crap)space. I don't understand why everyone on myspace must design their page like something out of the 1990's with as many flashing images and crap as possible.. Just to annoy you.

Re:New features.. wooo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759177)

I don't think there's been a single time I've visited MySpace where my browser hasn't crashed. For some reason, everyone feels the need to assault me with 47 different embedded John Mayer music videos playing at the same time, with 192 streaming tracks, and tiled animated GIF's as the background. Yeah...now I remember why I refuse to join.

I never got the whole MySpace thing in general. It's mainly used by teenagers who feel the need to refresh their friend's page every two seconds to see if one of their favorite bands has changed ("OMGZZzz!!111 You don't like teh Fall Out Boy anymmore!?!?!111 OH NOES!!11"), even though they see these people for 10 hours every day in and out of school.

Wanna improve the MySpace ecosystem? Strip down ALL dynamic content and have people take a "speeling and gramer" test before joining.

Re:New features.. wooo (1)

SmlFreshwaterBuffalo (608664) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759192)

It's just like ricer cars. The "modifications" do nothing good for the car (or in this case, page), but they are quite obviously noticeable. And, they make the individual feel as though they have performed some great feat, as the person (typically) would not have otherwise known how to do anything like that.

Age Verification (3, Insightful)

Hortos (975067) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758824)

Who ever comes up with a real working age verification scheme is going to be rich.

Re:Age Verification (4, Interesting)

Bryansix (761547) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759076)

Simple. Ask for a credit card and then charge a dollar to it. Call the charge "Age Verification". Then refund the charge in 28 days. If some kid steals his Dad's cc then the Dad is going to see the charge on the bill and start asking questions.

Re:Age Verification (3, Informative)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759159)

Won't work. I had a checking account and associated Visa debit card before I turned 18.

Also, your scheme presumes Dad actually reads his itemized credit card bill and will become suspicious about a $1 charge.

Re:Age Verification (1)

4solarisinfo (941037) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759413)

If some kid steals his Dad's cc then the Dad is going to see the charge on the bill and start asking questions.

Are you kidding? You apparently have no many pre-teens do have secured credit cards that hold their allowance, and how little people look at low dollar purchases on their bills...

Re:Age Verification (1)

zlogic (892404) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759530)

This may not work in non-US countries.
Not to mention that some people don't have credit cards but would like to use Myspace anyway (and are 18 or older).

Re:Age Verification (1)

Acid-Duck (228035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759596)

But then if this was an illegal charge (ie: kid stole dad's CC) that means the kid was exposed to unsuitable material for a period of 28days, that's if holder of the CC bothers checking his bill. that 28days or so is unacceptable, as this is suppose to be a control system to make sure minors don't access porn. 28 days is 28 too many. The system would never convince anyone.

Re:Age Verification (2, Interesting)

Skim123 (3322) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759098)

I remember the original Leisure Suit Larry game had a unique age verification system. Before it would let you play, it would ask you three multiple choice questions that had to do with pop culture, politics, and whatnot from the 70s, something a ten year old in the late 80s would likely know nothing about. :-)

Re:Age Verification (1)

glorpy (527947) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759226)

And yet they were questions that a 12 year old in the early 90's could answer . Strange that.

Re:Age Verification (2, Insightful)

Jussi K. Kojootti (646145) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759365)

To the frustration of all of us outside US, the questions were also very US-centric... The day I found out that Alt-X bypassed the questions was a good one.

wouldn't work now (1)

uberjoe (726765) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759430)

Yeah but that was in the 80s, and we didn't have any way to quickly look that stuff up. You could ask any kid today pop culture questions from the 80s or 90s and a little quick googleing and some vh1 'I Love the (insert decade)' would turn up anything they needed to know.

Plus those questions weren't all that hard or obscure, and you could try as many times as you needed to get them right without the game locking out on you.

Re:Age Verification (2, Insightful)

4solarisinfo (941037) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759434)

Liesure Suit Larry was out before we had the ability to quickly google or wiki virtually any small fact for something like this...

Re:Age Verification (1)

conJunk (779958) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759556)

whatever! the questions were easy, "Who was the first man to walk on the moon?" You didn't have to be alive in 1968 to know that. Plus, they were multiple guess.

Re:Age Verification (1)

British (51765) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759575)

If myspace tried that, it would be circumvented by a simple google/wikipedia search. Of course, it MIGHT slow down those blasted spam bots, for like a day. They are the cancer of myspace's ecosystem.

That and for some reason there are a LOT of whoreish users on myspace. What is the desire to show off your body in minimal clothing anyways?

The problem is... (1)

dawnzer (981212) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758825)

These webpages that provide content for MySpace profiles that consist of a lot of cut and paste code. Yes, you have the instant gratification of getting that cool contact table NOW, but I know lots of people on my friends list that have had to scrap their whole profile and start over fresh because they messed it up so bad with code they don't understand.

I use a lot of the cut and paste stuff myself, but it definately helps when you know at least some basic HTML.

Not suprising.. (3, Insightful)

ChowRiit (939581) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758832)

Not only is it a very, very heavily trafficed site, but it's also one the users tend to invest quite a bit of time and effort in (ignoring the "lawl myspace is teh suck", I'm not a huge fan myself but it's getting silly). Any advertiser with sense is going to see a large market there, and one big enough that it's worth making an effort to specifically target the demographics using it, with relevant services.

Please stop this corruption of our language! (5, Insightful)

Rotten168 (104565) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758833)

It's a goddamn website, Jim, not the Everglades!

Re:Please stop this corruption of our language! (1)

linvir (970218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759275)

Consider the possibility that the 'eco' in ecosystem is short for economy.

MyAOLSpace (1, Insightful)

achacha (139424) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758838)

Eco system or not, it is still a public corporation (thanks to Turner) and needs to make some money (it can also be a vehicle for Ted to brainwash millions of kid into watching TBS reruns). However, whie MySpace remains questionable profitable, people think of it as a viable venue, once they start looking for ways to actually make money is when their eco system collapses on itself.

This is what happend to Genie, Compuserve, AOL, and now a possibility for MySpace. Remember how laughable AOL user was.

Is MySpace getting to be the AOL of 2000s?

Re:MyAOLSpace (2, Insightful)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758932)

No. Besides being fundamentally different (an ISP vs. a website), you had to pay for AOL. Myspace is free (well, it may take a toll on your eyesite when you visit a page with a pink background and sparklies and a slightly lighter shade of pink for font). Anyone who pays for crap is a moron. But free crap... hey, it's free! (I use Myspace in order to keep in touch with friends. ...and to have random 15 year olds tell me I'm "sooo hawt" so I can wish I was dead).

Re:MyAOLSpace (1)

StarvingSE (875139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759083)

and to have random 15 year olds tell me I'm "sooo hawt" so I can wish I was dead).

Liar!!! You post on slashdot, no 15 year olds can possibly think you're hot!!! You are a computer nerd, admit it!! Bask in the glory of your monitor light!!!

Re:MyAOLSpace (1, Informative)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759146)

Yes, I may be a computer nerd, but 15 year olds think anyone over 18 (and under say... 25 [I'm 21]) is hot. Also, it probably helps that I'm riding a pink pony in one of my pictures... don't ask.

Re:MyAOLSpace (1)

mcmonkey (96054) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759632)

Ok...
1. Not to rain your parade, but those 15 year-olds are most likely FBI trolling for pedophiles.

And 2. Pink pony. That's hawt.

Re:MyAOLSpace (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759057)

But myspace should have extremely low expenses. It's just a website with user-generated content, right? So making a couple bucks per year from each member is perfectly viable.

Re:MyAOLSpace (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759149)

MySpace was purchased by FOX Interactive Media, a division of Newscorp, Inc, which is in turn run by Rupert Murdoch. Ted Turner has nothing to do with MySpace. Incidentally, Ted Turner and Rupert Murdoch are avowed enemies. On more than one occassion, Ted Turner has characterized Rupert Murdoch as "a man who cares only about power and money".

Re:MyAOLSpace (2, Informative)

stradric (983743) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759378)

Turner? Try Murdoch.

A bunch of idiots. (3, Funny)

aersixb9 (267695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758839)

It appears as though an evil group of people has censored the popular medias, causing widespread stupidity & ignorance.

What is the difference? (3, Interesting)

Recovering Hater (833107) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758908)

Can someone tell me what the difference is between myspace and geocities is? It's as if geocities all of a sudden got extremely popular. I just don't see what the big deal is? Cut and paste crappy webpages with no privacy? Why would I want to be associated with myspace?

Re:What is the difference? (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759245)

The difference is about 10 years, that's all. MySpace's timing was better. Not geocities fault.

Re:What is the difference? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759289)

I think a big part of their success is simply the name. While people of demographics CAN be found on myspace, it's core is, from a developmental point of view, that group that is establishing their unique identity.

Just in the name, myspace appeals to that fundamental desire and wins their attention. Geocities? Sounds like something some geek (like me) would know about. MYspace, on the other hand... it just sounds right to nearly anyone...and that alone makes up for a lot of features, security, and content.

Now, hopefully, features, security, and content will improve over time...

Re:What is the difference? (1)

kylner (639495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759634)

Obligatory PA reference: It's not for you. [penny-arcade.com]

There's a company for anything you might want... (1)

glindsey (73730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758951)

... even spyware! [google.com]

If some one is building something for MySpace (2, Funny)

Wildfox01 (680683) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758969)

Could I have an emo kid detector? Oh wait... most of the site would get flagged. Hmmmm.... Back to the drawing board.

Re:If some one is building something for MySpace (1)

yourOneManArmy (986080) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759322)

Not true, you're neglecting the PornRobots.

screw that, how about load balancing first? (4, Insightful)

Temsi (452609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15758990)

Seriously... why bother with anything new if your system is too slow for anyone to be able to use it?
Right now, I was just waiting for my profile to load for about 2 minutes - and that's not even that bad. Some features just time out or load partially.

MySpace is simply collapsing under its own load.
It has become too popular for its own good.

First, get the site to stay up - then and only then can you add features.

Re:screw that, how about load balancing first? (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759211)

The whole friggin' thing needs a revamp. Their code is falling apart. I mean, just today, new mail notifications weren't working. How can something as simple as a new mail notification spontaneously break, especially on a 24/7 service?

Re:screw that, how about load balancing first? (2, Interesting)

lowfatsugar (972297) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759310)

I'll second that. I've written an adapter that lets me search MySpace music listings from my desktop, but because MySpace doesn't have a public API (unlike Yahoo, Google and even Amazon) I have had to rely entirely on screenscraping. Because the information is so poorly organized, the adapter has to do a little link crawling to actually get a decent set of data to display in the search results. While I was testing the link crawling, the MySpace web server performed so poorly and timed out so consistently that I was afraid they had some sort of denial-of-service protection that was blocking my IP. Now that I've actually used the site for a week, I understand that this is just typical MySpace slowness. Ugh!

this article needs an update (3, Informative)

moochfish (822730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759020)

This is breaking news, but the entire point of this article just got destroyed with the news that myspace is looking to expundge these so-called widgets:

http://mashable.com/2006/07/21/myspace-update-thre atens-youtube-rockyou-and-hundreds-more/ [mashable.com]

Re:this article needs an update (1)

tafinucane (776537) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759613)

Client-side myspace apps of any kind (except IE, I suppose) violate MySpace's terms of service.
My brother made some freeware crap that spawned a MySpace nastygram:
http://www.davidfinucane.com/index.html [davidfinucane.com]

Seriously, there are a lot of things to try (2, Insightful)

CurtMonash (986884) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759047)

1. Multiple e-commerce models. Something will probably work.
2. Multiple approaches to network analysis, collaborative filtering, etc. (Obligatory shameless plug: The hot new company in network analysis is Cogito [dbms2.com] .)
3. Various communications things.
4. Various real time monitoring things, both narrowly filtered and for overall trends.

I bet if I'd logged onto the site a single time in my whole life I might be able to come up with even more ideas. ;)

I'd be happy with theses features... (2, Interesting)

dannyelfman (717583) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759061)

1. Actually know who is checking out my profile. Sometimes people are shy and it would be good to maybe make the first step in communication.
2. I don't know, how about not getting SERVER TOO BUSY half the time in the afternoon?
3. Less anoying profile ``themes'' Ok, I know this is the users fault....

Unnatural ecosystems? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759099)

What, like the ecosystem that's growing in my not-recently-cleaned fridge?

MySpace e-mail backup (1)

WiggyWack (88258) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759130)

Here's my idea... Someone should create a program that will go through a user's e-mail box on MySpace and back everything up. The program could also make MySpace's e-mail system better. Kinda like a front end for it...

Apparently the MySpace Ecosystem... (2, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759161)

...comes complete with phishing, worms, and viruses.

If I wanted a community like that, I could have just thrown my PC to the bottom of the ocean.

I've been doing it! (1)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759187)

Wheee, a blatant plug:

http://www.flashyourspace.com/ [flashyourspace.com]

I've been doing exactly this, playing around with myspace as a target platform while I teach myself flash.

Re:I've been doing it! (1)

WPIDalamar (122110) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759225)

Oh.. and the hate! I forgot to mention that.

Do something like I did, make a single post in a single forum letting people know about it. Don't charge for it. Don't have any advertising to generate income... and watch the dozens of "Don't SPAM" messages come accross, with far stronger language than your saturday cartoons.

The MySpace Axis of Evil (1)

Animats (122034) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759228)

Yes, Myspace has an ecosystem. They have adware. They have spyware. They have spam. [andrewphelps.com] They have Zango. [com.com] They have affiliates. It's like AOL gone bad.

Re:The MySpace Axis of Evil (1)

DreadfulGrape (398188) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759286)

"It's like AOL gone bad."

But of course, you repeat yourself...

What corporate slaves, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759248)

The -irony- of it all is that the so-called 'alternative' folks out there seem to have little problem supporting the likes of Rupert Murdoch whilst managing to espouse their own 'radical' beliefs onto the 'ignorant masses'. Nothing like a good dose of hypocrisy to wake you up in the morning, eh! ;-)

np: Snog
 

Simpsons already did that! (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759333)

Now, MySpace is beginning to create its own ecosystem of third-party companies that are developing features and applications for the giant digital community. The idea is to encourage other companies to use their creativity and expertise to come up with things for MySpace users that MySpace itself hasn't.


Okay, it wasn't the simpsons. Seriously though, AOL has done exactly that, and it hasn't been working out too well for them lately. It worked well before the inception of the graphical web browser and ubiquitous internet access, but before that it was a surefire business model. Now, with so much "free" content on the web that does not even require registration, why would one want to become a MySpace member to access it?

Some thoughts about myspace bashing on slashdot... (5, Insightful)

soliptic (665417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759383)

Every time myspace is mentioned on slashdot, we same exactly the same thing. 98% of comments are just "UGH MYSPACE SUCKS", leaving absolutely no space for the kind of intelligent debate in the comments which brought me to slashdot in the first place.

So I thought I would try and buck the trend.

Let's see what the common complaints are about myspace:

First, some technical/webdesigner type ones.

  • Ugly... very, very ugly
  • Bad nested-table HTML
  • Poor functionality, built on a mess of coldfusion that never works properly for longer than five minutes
  • Covered in ads

Second, some more social/content focused ones.

  • Full of emo teenagers
  • Full of pointless "blogs" about how they hate their mom for making them tidy their bedroom
  • Full of people who validate their existence by having thousands of "friends" they don't actually know.

You know what? Pretty much all true. I can't argue with it. And for exactly these reasons, I used to preach anti-myspace rants in exactly the same vein as this [slashdot.org] comment. I might even have done so on slashdot itself -- I know for a fact I did on other forums, extensively.

But that's not quite the whole story.

Things are a bit different for music accounts.

Ya see, I'm in a band (unsigned/independent) and being a web developer for a day job, I'm left to look after that side of our operations. For the longest time I refused to get the band a myspace page for all the above reasons - but eventually the band forced me to drop my web designer snootiness about myspace and sort us out a page, and since then I've been forced to change my opinions a bit. For bands/musicians, it's genuinely quite useful.

When we started the page, I went on an adding spree, not adding strangers just to bump up our friend count, but just adding (1) people who are genuinely our friends (2) people who've previously bought our cds / come to our gigs / bigged us up, (3) a few famous bands/djs/people who are influences and inspirations to us. Aside from that I don't add request anyone -- I wait for them to add request us! And they do...! Usually something between 1 and half a dozen every day for the last month or so. Sometimes they're obviously people who have been to our gigs but sometimes they're obviously not (because they live in countries we've never played), they're just people who have been searching for music, come across us and liked the tunes...

And this is the crux of it. Sure, personally, as a "geeky" / "old school" web user, I'd much rather search google, find a website, and download an mp3 (or ogg, if you insist ;) ), than search myspace, find a profile, and listen with a flash player. Like most of you guys.

But I - and you guys - are not typical. Obviously most people find the convenience of myspace and its auto-playing songs more appealing. Do you know how many emails I get saying "I randomly found your website from google and listened to your mp3s" -- pretty much none. Ever. Do you know how many messages from complete randoms on myspace saying "nice tunes" I get -- one every few weeks or so. As a band member/promoter you just can't ignore that!

It genuinely works for getting new fans and networking. Example: A couple of weeks ago we played at a festival near Amsterdam (we're based in London). When I asked the promoter how he discovered us and decided we were worth paying to bring over from the UK (remember, we're completely unsigned, we have no label or financial backing, we book all our own gigs ourselves, we record, produce, finance, and distribute our albums ourself, we have next to no media coverage...) he said "myspace".

So, if you want to bash it for being ugly and full of annoying emo kids, stolen pictures and unreadable profiles I can't really argue. It is. On the other hand... getting paid to go to Amsterdam for a long weekend isn't quite so uncool, is it....

And that's the thing. If you consider Slashdot's views on music and the RIAA, slashdot should really be supporting myspace. The majority of people here want to see payola, force-fed major-label mediocrity die (and I agree). The majority of people here claim to look forward to the day the internet allows independent artists reach their fans without needing to sell out to major label evilness. But the majority of people on here seem to be a bit naive about exactly how easy this is.

Because (as I have commented before on slashdot, in the Wil Wheaton interview, if anyone wants to look it up), making music and getting it heard by the masses falls into three categories. Production, distribution and promotion. Production? PC + Cubase + VST plugins, Mac + Logic + AU plugins, or whatever = potential for relatively "pro" results for incredibly small investment. Distribution? Internet's got that sorted too. MP3s have a near-zero cost of distribution. But promotion.... now that's where the internet is still somewhat struggling.

Sure, you can have a website, but that's no use if people don't find it. And they won't. I mean, really, what happens if you go to Google and type in "I want some independent music that I like because I'm too cool for Jessica Simpson"? You get jack shit. Just having a website doesn't magically mean that people who would like you if they actually heard your music, actually do hear your music. There's a point where you actually do need to pro-actively put yourself in people's faces, more or less. Major labels do this by buying media saturation, interviews in music magazines, blanket radio airplay, etc. Independent artists simply CANNOT compete on these terms, they don't have the money. So what's left? Clearly there's a need for some sort of internet-based recommendation system.

And myspace is effectively one of those. OK, I'm not saying it's the only one. You've got your last.fm and so forth as well. But it DOES serve that purpose. And while most of slashdot happily sits here with their elitist if not entirely undeserved bash-the-emo-kids-with-their-poor-html-skills mentality, myspace is helping bands build their fanbase without needing the RIAA. Which I think is a good thing. So I ignore the whining teenager profiles, I adblock the ads, and I do my best not to vomit at most of the profiles -- and count my blessings that there's a website out there which lets complete strangers from around the world discover my band.

Oh... Inevitable plug (what, you didn't think I'd resist did you?): http://www.myspace.com/keiretsu [myspace.com]

Re:Some thoughts about myspace bashing on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759442)

I'm not going to read all that.

Re:Some thoughts about myspace bashing on slashdot (1)

BTWR (540147) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759551)

I really liked your post, and I decided to check out your MySpace site, but... no joke: I got this message:


Sorry! an unexpected error has occurred.

This error has been forwarded to MySpace's technical group.

Re:Some thoughts about myspace bashing on slashdot (1)

soliptic (665417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759584)

Hehe. Well, I did admit it's a technological piece of shit ;)

But, I just hit refresh on our profile, and it works for me. Maybe if you try the verbose link [myspace.com] instead of the alias? *shrug*

Re:Some thoughts about myspace bashing on slashdot (1)

HoboMaster (639861) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759601)

"the kind of intelligent debate in the comments which brought me to slashdot in the first place."

You're funny. I like you.

Re:Some thoughts about myspace bashing on slashdot (1)

soliptic (665417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759683)

Warning... going OT.

"the kind of intelligent debate in the comments which brought me to slashdot in the first place." You're funny. I like you.

Hehe, I know it seems hard to believe, but I do remember it being that way. I started reading slashdot in about '98 (yes, I know my UID suggests otherwise -- I didn't register at all for a year or two, then I registered but almost never posted and forgot my login, and so then I registered this login much later).

Whether or not it was better back then, or just the fact that I was 8 years younger and hadn't been to university yet, I don't know. But I do remember almost every story seemed to turn up an expert in the field. Low level programming? Hardware hacks? Nuclear physics? There always seemed to be someone who'd done it for a living for many years and had some great stuff to say.

Certainly, I have always come to slashdot to read the comments more than the articles themselves. I can find stuff on CNN/BBC/Ars/etc for myself, it's the breadth and (sometimes!) depth of opinions in the replies that are unique about this place. (And why I still stay here and haven't decamped to digg or technocrat or whatever)

Re:Some thoughts about myspace bashing on slashdot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759607)

This is why I use facebook only; it includes the basics you need for the social aspect, and the interface doesn't look like animals threw poo at your screen.

BusienssWeek (1)

chfriley (160627) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759440)

"BusienssWeek has an article..."

Ah yes, the Eidtors are hard at work...

Why all the hate? (1)

GiggidyGiggidy (935020) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759544)

Myspace isn't that bad. Think of the good: 1. Anything that keeps kids off the streets causing trouble is good. I'd rather have kids posting surveys nonstop, leaving comments, putting more crap on their profile etc than breaking into my car or selling drugs. 2. People are forced to learn some HTML. For example, my 21 year old girlfriend of two years knew little about computers in general when we first started dating. Using Myspace as a motivation, she has learned a bit of HTML and now has started playing around with CSS code to do different things. She had no idea what google is, and now uses google to look up animated images or instructions on how to code certian things. She has even went as far as googling for an animaged gif program, downloading it, learning it, and using it to make some of her own images animated. Very neat stuff. 3. It's not full of perverts, molesters, and emo/goth people. I signed up and quickly got in touch with some people I graduated with I have no talked to since graduation. It was really neat to see who had kids, who turned out to be gay, who gained weight, which girls look awesome and were not very good looking, etc. 4. Music. If you like music, then Myspace turnes out to be pretty cool. Each band has their profile with the tour dates, a few songs, videos, some keep up blogs which are interesting to read up on, etc. All and all, it's not too bad of a site.

A MySpace Slashdot catagory? (1)

Ponga (934481) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759638)

When is Slashdot going to create a 'MySpace' ./ catagory with associated icon? I mean, there sure have been enough articles to justify it.

-Ponga

Bad News for Taxpayers (1)

Aqua_boy17 (962670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15759684)

'Now, MySpace is beginning to create its own ecosystem'
Just great. So when the EPA declares them a super-saturated toxic waste dump of electronic sludge, we'll all be stuck with the bill for the clean up. Thanks a lot MySpace. :p

MySpace is a mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15759689)

MySpace is like a mirror. If a monkey looks in, no sage looks out.
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