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You OS Web Based Operating System

CmdrTaco posted more than 8 years ago

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Juergen writes "You OS comes from the MIT Labs and contains an email client, Chat Function, RSS Reader, and Text Editor. YouOS is a web operating system that lets you run diverse applications within a web browser. Small applications like sticky notes or clocks. Large applications like word processing, mp3 players, and instant messaging. Even better, it's very easy to tweak an existing application or write your own. "

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Title? (5, Funny)

porkThreeWays (895269) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765811)

From the title it looked like this was a bad "in soviet Russia" joke...

In Soviet Russia (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765857)

Web browser runs an OS.

Re:In Soviet Russia.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766026)

..Web browser runs you!

YouOS: Breaking news! (2, Informative)

cunina (986893) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765812)

Well, breaking about two weeks after Slate had an article on it.

Great title (2, Interesting)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765814)

"Your web browser text-based web browser"
Viva la redundancy!
Kidding, I know you os is it's name. I still don't see the point in it until there's an OS independant browser. Still, it's a step forward.

Re:Great title (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765841)

"I still don't see the point in it until there's an OS independant browser."

You have of course heard of Firefox, Opera, etc...

Re:Great title (2, Insightful)

TheGavster (774657) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765934)

I think the point is that to run this OS, the browser needs an OS to sit on top of (that is, you don't boot to Firefox, you boot to Windows or Linux or OSX, and run Firefox from there). This differs from say a thin client where there actually isn't anything on the local machine except the software that talks to the central server.

Re:Great title (1)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766004)

My point exactly. We could use a floppy-based distro and put a slim browser on that (slimmer than firefox). youOS runs kinda slow on firefox on win2000.
By OS independant I mean it doesn't depend on an OS. That means, it's its own OS. Unlike firefox.

Re:Great title (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766028)

You have, of course, heard of all the OSes that firefox & opera DON'T run on ?

Re:Great title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765883)

"I still don't see the point in it until there's an OS independant browser"

There a a few of them. Ever Heard Of Firefox? It will probably take 2 days to get it ported over LMAO

Re:Great title (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765982)

A self hosting browser...interesting idea. Still, no matter how hard you try there would still need to be a hardware-depending layer below the browser itself to act as a HAL for your browser. It would be so close to being a complete OS it may as well be one. You'd still need things like drivers for different hardware devices, some sort of filesystem, memory management and process management. You could probably get away without needing full-blown POSIX style processes and memory protection. You could probably do everything as threads within a single address space; you'll only be running one "process" after all. Probably not worth it, unless you're studying OS design at university. It'd be far easier to setup something like Linux in kiosk-mode and run the browser on that.

Ok.... (0, Flamebait)

creepynut (933825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765815)

Ok, YouOS is a web-based OS. ... and? Aren't we missing something like, I don't know, content in the summary? It's not like I can even RTFA because there IS no FA.

Re:Ok.... (5, Informative)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765821)

There should be a link to some of these [youos.com] pages [youos.com] , instead of no content linking to a practically blank page.

I will not bite! (3, Interesting)

bogaboga (793279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765819)

While the idea is great, I will not bite in this case because my ISP places a limit on how much traffic can be allowed through my network interface with my current plan. Even though I can "upgrade", the costs are just prohibitive. Sorry, I will not bite.

Re:I will not bite! (1)

rob_squared (821479) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765862)

As sad as it is. Windows is still more reliable than an internet connection. I can understand this as an in-house thing for secretaries or other people who don't need anything to be fast or can't handle anything too complex. So until my network connection is up with the reliability of my land line. Local apps for me only.

Re:I will not bite! (2, Insightful)

BoomerSooner (308737) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765876)

Not to mention if their server goes down, or out of business, or HIPAA, or any number of other things...

Web based OS is like VRML, big on hype but short on practical implementations that are better than a traditional OS. Just my opinion.

Re:I will not bite! (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766233)

If I were you, I'd move to another city with less shitty ISPs.

It's not an OS (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765820)

It's a bunch of applications. Yes, if you're Joe Sixpack, then that's what defines an OS, but it's not a real OS. I'm not sure what it's scheduling characteristics are, it probably doesn't have peripherals (or can you plugin your USB stick or camera?), I'm not sure it has swapping, etc...

And is there an SDK around? If so, it'd sound like the ideal computing slave. SETI here goes... (ok, maybe it has resource quotas, which would actually make it an interesting project...)

Re:It's not an OS (5, Insightful)

Lumpio- (986581) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765850)

I agree - this has been bugging me since I heard about "YouOS" ages ago. It's not an OS. I'd rather refer to it as an online desktop environment.

Re:It's not an OS (2, Insightful)

modir (66559) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765953)

People often complain that the term OS is not true. I agree, but what difference does it make to a user if he/she is running the applications (the desktop) inside a browser or inside a pcAnywhere session? Or in a corporation network where all applications are running on a server with citrix software?

If those "web-OSs" would provide a good packaging system etc. then I see it as a competitor to Citrix.

But as long as I can't run VMware in it the term operating system is wrong :)

VNC (2, Insightful)

GNUALMAFUERTE (697061) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766006)

I Totally agree with you, besides, if your connection can run this stuff, it surely can give you a decent quality for a VNC session back home.

Having good web-based apps is greate, but only if you accept that it's a web app and so design it as such (Like gmail or google calendar). But if you try to emulate the look&feel of a classical desktop, you are screwed.

I use a lot of webapps, I have gmail and gmail for your domain for my company's website, google calendar runs my life, Pandora takes care of my music, etc.

This is truly comfortable if you travel a lot, like me.

Re:It's not an OS (1)

Eternauta3k (680157) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766017)

If so, it'd sound like the ideal computing slave. SETI here goes...

You do realize it runs on your pc, right?

Re:It's not an OS (2, Funny)

jalefkowit (101585) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766027)

It's a bunch of applications. Yes, if you're Joe Sixpack, then that's what defines an OS...

Cut them some slack, it's not like YouOS is from MIT or anything!

Oh, wait.

How deep can it go? (5, Informative)

AdamBomb8705 (966960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765823)

Upon seeing this, I immediately wondered whether the OS's web browser could run itself. I'm posting this comment from inside YouBrowser, which is running on YouOS inside of another YouBrowser inside of YouOS in Firefox. So looks like it's possible. I wonder how many levels you could go down...

Re:How deep can it go? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765874)

I think you might have just demonstrated one of the first vulnerabilites of web "operating systems".

Re:How deep can it go? (2, Interesting)

modir (66559) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765929)

I wouldn't say "vulnerabilites" per se.

This is about the same as someone who runs Linux inside a Linux Xen VM inside a Linux VMware VM......

The question is, what does make sense?

Re:How deep can it go? (2, Interesting)

Zarel (900479) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765989)

Not entirely. The YouOS browser uses iframes, so it's still Firefox, not YouOS, that's powering it. So it's more like running an app inside Linux that the VMware VM told it to run. If it really was nested, the speed would decrease exponentially (especially for a WebOS; JavaScript isn't all that fast).

EyeOS (5, Interesting)

Randomskk (990494) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765827)

This is pretty similar to EyeOS ( http://eyeos.org/ [eyeos.org] ), which runs on any web server and lets you use apps (IM, RSS, web browser, games, etc) in it, change the background etc. I've got this running on my web server, and if nothing else it's great when I want to check the /. RSS while away from home :P

Re:EyeOS (1)

greenguy (162630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765958)

Perhaps they could merge the two and form the UI OS. Jef Raskin could help.

Re:EyeOS (1)

EXMSFT (935404) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766231)

I don't think the late Jef Raskin could add much assistance, no.

Re:EyeOS (1)

also-rr (980579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766022)

Since eyeOs takes 30 seconds [revis.co.uk] to install I can't see why any geek would want a hosted version. Running on your own webserver you have much greater protection in terms of who can and cannot see the data.

Still, I can see how it would appeal to non-geeks away from home - and it's not much different to placing your trust in online mail, online shopping or online tax return services - all of which have a healthy take up and get a splodge of your personal data.

Re:EyeOS (1)

also-rr (980579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766032)

It's also worth noting that eyeOS supports Lemmings. But installing it isn't a good idea.

On Noes!

*kaboom*

Apache terminated.

Online mp3 player (3, Informative)

cyp43r (945301) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765844)

Wow, this is innovative. Oh yes, I'll just stream my music up and YouOS will stream back the sound. If you have any even moderate amounts of music, this is sort of ridiculous on a limit. If I play 14 CD's, that's my entire months limit gone almost (10GB). Unless, of course, it compresses it or plays at a low bitrate, which rather belies the point of having one. What's wrong with Winamp?

Re:Online mp3 player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766179)

What's wrong with Winamp?

It's closed source and Windows only? Thankfully, we have lots of (IMO) better alternatives now.

Re:Online mp3 player (1)

red_kenotic (842553) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766218)

Yes! Insane. People that "steam" their music to their ipods, also just as insane.

To be honest, I've sent myself music via email, so I could listen to it at another computer (that wasn't on my lan). I don't have a usb stick. It's too much data to put on a floppy. And it seemed like a waste to burn on to cd.

Just because the function is there doesn't mean you have to use it. Unless you lived elsewhere, why would you want to upload 14 CD's? - Just take them with you.

(Yes, I email myself.)

Re:Online mp3 player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766256)

If I were you, I'd move to another city/country with less shitty ISPs. Seriously. I stream music and videos 24/7. I use more than 10GB/day, many others I know do too. If your internet is really crappy, you need to move in protest.

Re:Online mp3 player (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766297)

where do you live then, oh almighty streaming god?

and? (1)

wateriestfire (962915) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765845)

As far as Web os's go I just use Eye OS and that runs on open source so it is already programmable. This just seems like a big knock off because Eye OS has been so successful.

Why? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765848)

It looks like a neat idea, but what's the purpose of running an OS within a web browser of your main OS? Wouldn't you save server processor time and network bandwidth by running stuff locally?

Not the first... (1)

hackel (10452) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765861)

I know I've actually used one of these "web OS's" before that must have been posted to slashdot a year or more ago, and I know I've seen it mentioned several other times. But it still gets back to the simple question for me: what is the point? I'm asking that seriously... What is the usefulness of this application? It's an alternative to thin-client solutions I suppose, sure, but still rather limited in what it can do (wouldn't a dummy X terminal need far less resources and CPU power than a modern "browser terminal"?). It would give enterprises even tighter control of whta their users can do--okay, I suppose that's good for them. Is that it? Please let me know what you think...

Re:Not the first... (3, Interesting)

Lumpio- (986581) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765872)

I think the point is that they can be used from quite much any modern enough PC, even PCs you can't really go and install an X server onto. Think libraries, certain computer labs, maybe friends' places etc.

Re:Not the first... (1)

cyp43r (945301) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765878)

There isn't a point really, is there? For the low low cost of increased bandwidth use, and more processor time taken up by two OSes running simultaneously, you get...oh my, there doesn't seem to be a use that someone couldn't get by, perhaps, just running linux.

Re:Not the first... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765907)

Hint: some of us actually leave our basements once in a while and go out into that Big Room with the blue ceiling and the really, really bright light, and therefore don't have access to our desktop computers.

Re:Not the first... (1)

cyp43r (945301) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765930)

Oh, I'd forgotten there was no other way to transfer data between computers. Silly me.

"Too many users online" (4, Insightful)

lonesometrainer (138112) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765863)

Ever had that message with your local workstation?

This is just another playground for the next gen. of Dot-Com-Companies, nothing serious.

a.) web-applications rely on high-speed-always-on internet connections (I'll be in an airplane this afternoon, no text processing for me then?)

b.) Will always offer less features and a bad UI compared to classical desktop applications, because restricted by web browser capablilites

c.) are currently much harder to code than classical desktop apps (e.g. editable drop down boxes anyone? Easy thing in NetBeans/VS .NET, very tough in webapps or server-pushing information to the client, requires long-lasting GET requests filtered by many firewalls)

d.) collaborative features are easily added to classical desktop apps

Conclusion: less possibilities, harder to code (you'll always be tricking, hacking to get a nice effect), bad UI (restricted by browsers)

The only competition to desktop apps I do currently see is MS XAML.

Bye!

Re:"Too many users online" (4, Insightful)

LS (57954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766059)

I believe that your points are flawed:

a.) web-applications rely on high-speed-always-on internet connections (I'll be in an airplane this afternoon, no text processing for me then?)

That may be the case now, but give a few years or so (3-7 years maybe), and high speed wireless internet will be ubiquitous. Also, the final forms of these applications will probably involve some kind a hybrid between desktop and web applications, with some kind of caching mechanism for when no connectivity is available.

b.) Will always offer less features and a bad UI compared to classical desktop applications, because restricted by web browser capablilites

Current browser companies/groups, standards organizations, and OS vendors are all well aware of the current browser's limitations and are working feverishly to create full-fledged networked baeed application frameworks. You can already see bits and pieces with XAML, XUL, SVG, AJAX, etc. Yes, we're not there yet, but it's inevitable.

c.) are currently much harder to code than classical desktop apps (e.g. editable drop down boxes anyone? Easy thing in NetBeans/VS .NET, very tough in webapps or server-pushing information to the client, requires long-lasting GET requests filtered by many firewalls)

long-lasting GET requests? I'm not sure what you are talking about here - is this something that is utilized with AJAX? Regarding the rest of this bulletpoint, see my response to (b). Also, I'm sure as web apps become more critical to businesses, firewall software as well as their admistrators' configuration preferences will adapt.

d.) collaborative features are easily added to classical desktop apps

You are kidding right? This is the big *advantage* of web-based apps. Have you tried using Google's spreadsheets yet? Contacting a user through g-mail and sharing the same spreadsheet... it doesn't get any more collaborative than that.

LS

Not quite new, but (5, Interesting)

NotFamousYet (937650) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765877)

YouOS has been around for a while, and it's part of a growing trend of online desktops (I refuse to refer to them as "Online OSes", because they're simply a desktop page that launches programs, an alternative to Explorer at best).

If you're interested in this area, check out also:
FlyaKiteOSX [portraitofakite.com]
the 30Boxes Webtop [30boxes.com]
EyeOS [eyeos.org]
Computadora [computadora.de] (in Spanish, even though .de ?)
Goowy [goowy.com] (it's in Flash though)

And of course, because this is Slashdot, I couldn't go without mentionning that Google is probably preparing their own [aymnetwork.com] , since their recent focus on releasing equivalents of desktop applications online (Notes, Excel, Word, Calendar, Picasa, etc) :)

Computadora de... (1)

ESqVIP (782999) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766054)

Computadora [computadora.de] (in Spanish, even though .de ?)

I guess it's because they wanted to make it sound like a sentence: computadora.de/miguel in Spanish is, literally, computer.of/miguel.

Re:Computadora de... (1)

ESqVIP (782999) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766076)

Should've hit Preview...

That reminds me of about a decade ago, when we were overwhelmed by V3 Redirect Services' domains surf.to, come.to, listen.to, fly.to...

Re:Not quite new, but (1)

GauteL (29207) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766184)

FlyaKiteOSX is a clear violation of Apple copyright, as it uses actual Apple icons. I can't imagine that Apple have granted them permission.

i'd go another level (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765887)

We're building a YouYouOS...its has a binary based browser (similar to da matrix) which runs on the text based browser that runs on firefux.

Re:i'd go another level (1)

Millenniumman (924859) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766245)

All you have to do is put a browser in the Web OS, then you can log into it with it's own browser, and log in to it again with the browser inside it inside it inside your browser, until your head explodes.

Remote Computing (1)

connah4700 (986773) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765890)

If you want remote computing, why not just use GoToMyPC or LogMeIn?

Interesting... (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765892)

Three articles in a row about OSs, and none of them is Linux.

Just saying. Could use more articles about the alternative OSs on weekdays. (Well, maybe not the Windows XP stuff.)

Re:Interesting... (1)

cyp43r (945301) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765903)

Aren't these alternatives? Useless power wasting alternatives to good alternatives, but alternatives nonetheless. I'm confused too.

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765913)

I was thinking the same thing..

It's funny that the research OSes are often Open Sourced and/or GPL licensed. All these Open OSes can share code, learn from each others successes and failures. There are people in research positions -- bright students and seasoned engineers -- working on these OSes. The ability for them to cross-pollinate and cherry-pick the best features is allowing great strides in OS design.

Then there's XP. Closed. (Relatively) small team of engineers designing it. Cannot legally pull from many Open projects. Cannot find bugs on a scale anywhere near the Open community. Sure they can dream up and implement some interesting stuff, but ultimately they are a small group competing against the world.

Re:Interesting... (1)

heinousjay (683506) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766108)

ultimately they are a small group competing against the world

And winning, interestingly enough. I'm incredibly curious to see how long it will last.

Re:Interesting... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766307)

It may last as long as they can hire and retain talented engineers. For a long time -- at least while I was in school -- the aspiration of every CS student was to work at Microsoft. Now most couldn't care less about working for a monolithic, multi-national "old" software company.

Uh-Oh (2, Funny)

psema4 (966801) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765896)

I have spent almost a year working on a project that is nearly identical to (if less mature than) YouOS. Atomic OS [sourceforge.net] is not as advanced as YouOS due to lack of hackers and poor timing.

This is driving me nuts. I logged into /. went through the headlines, then posted an article about Atomic OS. When I got back to the developers headlines... Boom. YouOS.

Aaaarghh!

Re:Uh-Oh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765951)

Don't worry, nobody will use either one anyway.

Re:Uh-Oh (1)

psema4 (966801) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766008)

I disagree, but I have much more work to do before I can describe the difference with justice.

Probably the most important items at this point are:

1. It's self-contained. It does not require a server, except for advanced features which haven't been written yet.

2. You don't need to register for anything, or link your files to Atomic OS.

3. Atomic OS is a "marketing name." A better description would be Operating Environment.

Damn, damn, damn.

Re:Uh-Oh (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766159)

No-one is a first approximation.

Nothing you mention would seem to change that.

I use Plan 9, we have effectively no users either and we're a mature OS (15 years +) out of one of the best research labs on the planet (Bell Labs) with good apps.

good luck

Re:Uh-Oh (1)

psema4 (966801) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766289)

We all build on the shoulders of giants, and we all have itches to scratch. I have no desire to change the perspective that no-one is a first approximation.

Thank you - that was nice to hear, particularly on slashdot.

Not really an OS (1, Insightful)

Arimus (198136) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765911)

Given that this still relies on your browser to certain degree how can this be called an OS?

1. Does it provide a hardware abstraction layer to allow me to access a graphics card (for instance) without caring which graphics card I'm talking to? Doubt it...

2. Does it manange my hardware's resources so each app gets its fair share and a fair crack at getting cpu resources? Nope, uses the browser which in turn will use your native OS...

3. Does it control access permisions between processes so process X can't read/write to process Y's memory directly? Doubt it - again it will be back to the browser's host os.

Etc etc etc.

Re:Not really an OS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766143)

This will be fixed in AJAX 2.0, where they emulate a CPU in javascript.

Re:Not really an OS (1)

ChronosWS (706209) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766265)

Indeed. It's software development masturbation.

Personal Exerience with YouOS (1)

dswain (930822) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765922)

I know that these online OSes have become a trend somewhat, but I've found this one rather neat myself. Granted, some of the things make you wonder "What's the point?" Well, with YouOS in particular, it acts on a server-wide filesystem. It shares similar traits to that of a UNIX type filesystem. For example, if I create a directory, say something like /my_username/youfs/shared_files and changed the permissions of the directory for a certain user (chmod username shared_files) then that user can interact with the files in that directory. Depending on what permissions you apply to the directory itself (read/write) determines what you allow him or her to do. In other words, you have a new way to share files which is very familiar for many users. Access to data from anywhere for free (limited bandwidth, but free) is a nice thing to have also. This may still be one of those "solutions looking for a problem," but it does by far hold some neat innovation to it IMHO.

Re:Personal Exerience with YouOS (1)

guice (907163) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766091)

Then create an online file manager, not an entire OS. It's called overkill; "Here's 20 applications, even though you only get value from this 1."

Re:Personal Exerience with YouOS (1)

DrSkwid (118965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766200)

I use plan 9, we have a worldwide distributed OS see http://9grid.de/ [9grid.de]

chmod does not an OS make

Re:Personal Exerience with YouOS (1)

Cylix (55374) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766203)

Sounds like something commies and terrorists will use!

Joking... at least I am.

Re:Personal Exerience with YouOS (1)

dswain (930822) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766285)

All fair points (even the commies one!) but I figured I'd add some type of perspective to it. As many others said, can't really read TFA because there isn't one. Also, yes Plan9 is a solution and yes a webserver is a solution, but you still have issues such as technical and financial ones when dealing with those plans. With a thing like YouOS, it's as simple as providing a name and email address and in turn you're given a working system which provides all the tools you could need, some space and some bandwidth for free. It removes expenses and technical background requirements which is a great thing for some people.

Granted, I understand that this may not be the most practical solution to whatever the problem is. That in turn may be the real issue with YouOS, but I also think it has something to it considering all of the services provided are free as of this point.

Privacy Anyone? (1)

shaneFalco (821467) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765931)

Why would anyone really want to use this? I made an account just to see what there is to see and sure it looks nice, but the applications are all in house- you need to register seperate to use gOffice. Their site touts it as an easy way to access your own desktop and store files- well geez I think most of us here are capable of setting up a server of our own to do just that, a server that is not accessable by whoever is running YouOS

Damn! (1)

ElephanTS (624421) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765942)

You are using Safari 419.

Warning:
Your browser will most likely not work with YouOS. See our FAQ for more information on browser compatibility.

-

Tell you what, I'll stick to playing MP3s and doing WP locally then.

Re:Damn! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766046)

i ran it in safari, and it seemed to work just fine.

WebOS? Quite honestly... (3, Insightful)

dud83 (815304) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765950)

I never can understand the reasons for the fantastic WebOS in this Web 2.0 era. Your computer needs an operating system to communicate with the hardware and to respond to events. Frankly, without an OS your computer is just a fancy bunch of IC's and wires. For using the internet sanely your computer has to be able to: communicate fully with TCP/IP, render graphics on your screen, respond to keyboard and mouse events... And this is just a short list, you could add lots more.
And for a fully-fledge WebOS 2.0 you need to process JavaScript, AJAX and many other advanced and "new" web technologies.

So my point is, that you already need a pretty advanced OS to enable you to use those amazingly fantastic WebOS for Web 2.0. So, the whole concept is to have an OS within your perfectly good OS. And that OS has to be launched inside a browser, and communicate over the internet. As opposed to your perfectly fine native OS already running.

For hecks sake, you can get a bloody thumbdrive if the idea is that you want to have certain things with you independently of the computer you're using right? Put Portable OOO and Portable Firefox on it. And perhaps all your documents as well as whatever else you need. You could even put Linux on your thumbdrive.

I just don't get the whole concept of having those wonderful WebOS around....

2x OS (2, Insightful)

MarsDude (74832) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765966)

So... to run this OS, I need an OS to run the browser I can run that OS in... Doesn't sound like overkill at all

Take it further (1)

cyp43r (945301) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766009)

So...to run this browser, I need an OS to run the browser to run the OS so I can run the text-based browser in. Un-un-un-unIngenuiosity! It isn't redundant at all.

Re:2x OS (1)

guice (907163) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766084)

Yeah, I was just noticing that myself, too. I think the site is a nice proof of concept, but I don't see any real value in it.

Re:2x OS (2, Insightful)

TrueJim (107565) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766161)

I think the point is that in the future one might access YouOS from something other than a conventional PC, and yet still receive a PC-desktop-like experience. For example, you might access YouOS from some lightweight client (like a gaming console, a PSP-like handheld gaming device, a wireless PDA, a smartphone, a future iPod incarnation, etc.) and still obtain the same working environment that you have on your PC.

Admittedly, the client will need blazingly fast processors and network connections, but presumably both of those assumptions will be true eventually. So the point is to experiment now to determine what functionality will need to be built-in to future browsers to deliver the desktop-like experience, even though the only client currently able to run the environment is a PC.

Operating System? (4, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15765967)

When did we start confusing a desktop "shell" application and a handfull of basic functions with an "Operating System"?

An operating system is the code that provides the operating environment in which these programs run; not the programs themselves; a layer between the hardware and the application programs that provides a uniform environment, manages resources, arbitrates contentions, provides synchronization primatives such as semaphores, schedules CPU utilization, etc. Its "users" are programs, not people; its user interfaces are APIs; not shells. Shells and other application programs provide what we traditionally think of as USER interfaces for interacting with humans.

Along with the operating system one often finds a suite of shell programs (textual or GUI), basic applications and administrative programs to provide a user environment. These may be included in the operating system package, and are helpful or even essential in making the operating system usable but are not themselves the operating system or part of it.

This important distinction seems to be lost on the likes of Microsoft. Perhaps as a result, this disturbing misconception seems to be spreading throughout the community.

If the "You OS" involves somewhere an operating system, it lives on their server infrastructure and the users never see it.

Re:Operating System? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766197)

You said:
"When did we start confusing a desktop "shell" application and a handfull of basic functions with an "Operating System"?"

I say: ...round about the time that Windows 3.X was re-named from "operating environment" to "operating system."

Re:Operating System? (1)

sankyuu (847178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766314)

Well, i did play with it a bit... Turns out it has a nice little javascript "api" that you can write scripts for. Try logging in and opening the shell, and typing for instance:

props uos
o = uos.browser.getBrowserAndVersion()
o.browser + o.version

uos kinda looks like the java/.net package tree. It's also got an API for ui widgets and a "file" system. It's not exactly an OS (although it tries to look like one), but it looks pretty sophisticated. Interesting concept for web-based application development.

boooooo (1)

squizzz (925033) | more than 8 years ago | (#15765980)

It has just crashed my browser... :(

The name makes me wonder (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766007)

Does that "You OS" have anything to do with "Windows Me"?

Wow, that's...amazing? (1)

aersixb9 (267695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766014)

DOS: Run 1 program at a time.
Windows: Run multiple programs at the same time.
YouOS: Run programs accross the network...

If only the network was as fast as SATA...there's been talk of a 'network' PC since the 80's, but the network's always been too slow to load large, good software that's comparable to the stuff that's downloaded to a HDD or that ships on a CD. A serious upgrade from the current multi-tasking windows OS (with the explorer file browser, and the win32 multitasking API, and notepad) would be...gametap? Or perhaps an OS that could run every program from a server...but the limitation is the network speed. I think I'll stick with windows, although a 3D environment "os" that downloads content, similar to entropia or second life, might be good, if the downloaded 3d content included a paper/document maker (similar to word/publisher...in 3d?) a scheduler & spreadsheet, and video games...is there anything else computers do? Perhaps an OS that already includes all of those things on the CDs, in an integrated, easy to use way... (such as linux...minus the bugs and hardness of setup/maintenence) YouOS looks gimmicky and useless, especially factoring in the speed of the internet. These 'run anywhere' applications have been around for a while, each one being its own app, such as the 'outlook anywhere' app called 'hotmail'.

A Browser OS? (2, Insightful)

openldev (925511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766029)

Isn't the point of an online OS to get rid of the local OS? But I need to have a local OS to run the browser to run the operating system which includes a browser. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

Pretty impressive demo. (1)

mshiltonj (220311) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766039)

Here's the demo I experienced:

...Creating demo user...

Too Many Users Online

We're currently in alpha stage and are limiting the number of users who can login. There seem to be too many users already online at the moment.

Please try again shortly.



HTTP-FUSE KNOPPIX (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766043)

HTTP-FUSE KNOPPIX is a true (What is true?) Web Based OS.

http://unit.aist.go.jp/itri/knoppix/http-fuse/inde x-en.html [aist.go.jp]

It is a 6MB CD bootable Linux and gets the disk image from Web Servers.

As a fan and an Irishman (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766061)

let me be the first to say, "Up You OS!"

Time flies like an arrow. (0, Offtopic)

DrunkenTerror (561616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766130)

Fruit flies like a banana.

eyeos.org (1)

dotfucked.org (952998) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766148)

umm why in the heck not use eyeos.org, its being doing this for some time now...

done before... (1)

dioscaido (541037) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766156)

I liked the idea of YouOS, when it was called simple.com. Years ago when DHTML was in its infancy they were doing these 'fake OS' windowed interfaces.

From the YouOS login page... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766172)

Warning: for YouOS to work, javascript must be enabled.


At last an OS less secure than Windows. Microsoft had better look out!

Virus (1)

MikeWasHere05 (900478) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766182)

If you really want to have some fun, take advantage of the "saved sessions" idea. Build a program that will open up http://www.youos.com/html/ [youos.com] in the youBrowser infinitely. This will eventually bog down the users system so much that he has to either exit his browser or reboot the system. Now thanks to the saved sessions idea, when he logs back into youOS that program will run again. He'll never be able to use his account again. Muahahahaha

Tried it..it's cool but WHY? (1)

Danathar (267989) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766188)

I gave it a try, by far it's the best Web based desktop I've seen. It basically creates a GNOME like interface in your web browser.

But I have to ask myself. WHY? My desktop already works. Why do I need this?

Re:Tried it..it's cool but WHY? (1)

RobertLTux (260313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766234)

think being able to do stuff on "your computer" even if you just happen to be pearched on top of a hunk of rock in the middle of nowhere (assumes you have some sort of device and a netconnection) or have thing set up in your company so that most of your users are using a kiosk mode browser and a WebTop to do work.
(the idea is to lock them out of doing anything outside the browser lock the browser down hard .... Profit!!

Useless (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15766214)

It is fun, absolutely useless. I guess it showcases the makers' skills, but come on... writing the next term paper on their clunky RTF editor?

A better solution (5, Funny)

Millenniumman (924859) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766257)

A better web based OS could be made by allowing people to ssh into a computer running emacs. Then you'd have a full fledged OS, instead of a limited one like this. Plus, if you added vim, you would have a good text editor.

interesting - they seem to be using.. (1)

BigGerman (541312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15766284)

.. Amazon S3 as a backend,even for the website.
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