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DS Sells 20 million, 17 Million More by March 2007

Hemos posted more than 7 years ago | from the surprising-success dept.

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Wowzer writes "Nintendo announced today that sales of its hand-held, dual-screened video game player, the Nintendo DS, have topped 20 million worldwide (guesstimates say 21,270,000). Nintendo expects DS (Lite) sales to be 17 million between April 2006 and March 2007. From today's financial report: 'The company raised its full-year sales forecast of the DS handheld game players to 17 million units for the year ending March 2007, up from 16 million unit sales projection made in May. Sales of DS game titles are projected to rise to 75 million units, from 70 million.' The report refers to PSP owners as just combat-game fans, while the DS is said to target a wider audience with more diverse games such as the 6 million seller Nintendogs." I will say, I was very skeptical when I first heard about the DS and the split screen — but having played a number of different games, I've found I like it. But I have not played Nintendogs, unlike some other people I know.

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115 comments

This proves (0, Flamebait)

Daysaway (916732) | more than 7 years ago | (#15768822)

..There are a lot more general gamers than hardcore gamers? Perhaps. I think it proves Nintendo released a superior product, personally.

Re:This proves (1, Insightful)

Whiney Mac Fanboy (963289) | more than 7 years ago | (#15768869)

There are a lot more general gamers than hardcore gamers?

Well said - if only there was some way of kicking the "Nintendo is dying" trolls in the teeth with that statement.

Re:This proves (2, Interesting)

DarkDragonVKQ (881472) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769987)

The ironic thing is those trolls tend to be Sony or Microsoft fanboys. Which built their userbase on general/casual gamers. Sad that they harp on the whole casual gamer vs hardcore gamer. Nobody cares about the hardcore gamer, the profit they make from hardcore gamers is laughable. If Sony say (this upcoming PS3 era) lost its casual userbase...sure Sony might survive (Nintendo did) but they'd find themselves in Nintendo's shoes during its N64-GCN era.

Re:This proves (1)

tlhIngan (30335) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770203)

The ironic thing is those trolls tend to be Sony or Microsoft fanboys. Which built their userbase on general/casual gamers. Sad that they harp on the whole casual gamer vs hardcore gamer. Nobody cares about the hardcore gamer, the profit they make from hardcore gamers is laughable. If Sony say (this upcoming PS3 era) lost its casual userbase...sure Sony might survive (Nintendo did) but they'd find themselves in Nintendo's shoes during its N64-GCN era.

I would think the "hardcore gamer" is the videogame equivalent to the "audiophile" or "videophile" in that it may not be a huge market, but a wildly profitable one. Who else is willing to drop $400 for a *sound card* or $500+ for the latest video card? Or heck, even the lowly NIC gets accelleration (?!). Then there's all the gaming mice and keyboards with super high framerates and low latency button pushes (a good keyboard and mouse helps, yes, but considering the differences between good and "hardcore"...). And since LCD screens have taken over more or less the monitor market, big screen CRTs with high end gamer features are even more pricey (because 6/10ms refresh isn't fast enough). Sure you can buy CRT monitors still, but the half-decent ones are hard to find compared to the crappy ones always on sale (partly because a few bucks more gets you an LCD that's half decent and not fuzzy). Oh yeah, said gamer also never uses wireless, because the latency of wireless affects their ping (true, but we're still shaving milliseconds here).

I expect to see basic 10/100 switches with cut-through switching touted as the next greatest thing in gaming shortly because cut-through switching has less latency than store-and-forward (still talking about milliseconds).

The only thing that reallys keeps "hardcore gamers" at bay tends to be that most tend to be intelligent and can look through the marketing...

Re:This proves (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15771218)

Or heck, even the lowly NIC gets accelleration (?!).
No, even us hardcore gamers are smart enough to see through that crock of shit.

Re:This proves (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773018)

Sure a hardcore gamer will spend $400 for a video card but that doesn't mean they would spend $800+ for a console so that means the consoles get sold at a loss.. not a good thing for profit. also they want bleeding edge games which cost a lot to develop and unless it's a proven franchise it's a risk (develop super expensive game for super picky hardcore gamers who end up not liking your game for some odd reason etc..)

Re:This proves (1)

jensen404 (717086) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773560)

The important difference here is that Audiophiles and Videophiles listen to and watch the same content as all other users, and mostly use the same formats, too (CD and DVD). Game consoles have exclusive content (many of the best games are exclusives). The analogy works with PCs, but not consoles.

Re:This proves (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772999)

Probably worse off if you want to think about it that way. Nintendo doesn't sell their consoles at a loss (what do you think the loss will be on the PS3? a few hundred?) plus their games don't cost nearly as much to make and they have a pretty big dedicated fan base.

Re:This proves (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773576)

I think you're being imprecise with the definition of "hardcore gamer" and "casual gamers". Sony's market is from people who buy Madden, Halo, GTA, Final Fantasy, MGS, etc. I wouldn't call these "casual gaming" franchises, not in the sense of what games like the Sims, Nintendogs, Brain Age, Animal Crossing, etc, are trying to target.

The gaming industry is still the domain of enthusiasts. For every game like the Sims or Civ that appeals to a "casual" gamer market, there are a dozen WoWs, Dooms, and UTs. Read some statistics about the gaming industry --- they're quite surprising. "Casual gaming", such as wireless and online gaming, is still much smaller than PC gaming, which is about a quarter of the size of console gaming. Both the latter two markets are dominated by "enthusiast" titles. That leaves the marketshare of "casual" games looking fairly small.

Re:This proves (3, Insightful)

headonfire (160408) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772155)

You know, even earlier this year, I felt that Nintendo was struggling, and I'm a big nintendo fan. Always have been. It pained me to no end to think of one of my favorite gaming companies being toppled by the evil empire of Sony.

But at any rate, what can I say? I picked up a DS in January or February, and ever since then it's had so much momentum build up it's insane. Before now, though, what I'd seen from Nintendo was the regurgitation of the same old and tired, though beloved, franchises - yip-de-fucking-doo, another Gamecube Mario game, another Metroid, another Zelda. Sure, each one used newer graphics and admittedly had often fascinating new gameplay elements. But a handful of in-house titles a year do not make for success.

And the GBA? Christ. It'd already become a no-man's-land of awful movie and children's cartoon franchises. Speak to me no more of Nickelodeon games, nor Barbie (see subscript).

But the DS really seems to have sparked something for the general public. I think it's something that we've been waiting for, and Nintendo has brought it. I think it may be the true meaning of that damnable word, "innovation". It's coming from all -over- Nintendo, now. It seems more... Unrestrained. It's not "innovating" within a closed franchise (now Link can smash pots 200% better than any previous Zelda!), and it's not a fancy hardware platform that can perform miracles spitting out the latest boring edgy-teen-angst game(yes, Sony, that means you).

What Nintendo has done is offered a complete package. We have an entirely new hardware package, the DS. It has an entirely new control interface, the touchscreen, combined with the familiar D-pad and shoulder buttons that, if you don't know them already, are pretty intuitive to learn - a fusion of new and old. The hardware isn't obnoxiously overpowered for what's intended on the system, either. And the touchscreen itself encourages an entirely new kind of thinking for the software developers, bringing us new methods of interaction with our games, in some cases making us feel more a part of the worlds that they're trying to create, or at least greatly simplifying our interactions in them.

The end result is this fascinating device that provides an entirely new face to the thing that we love to do: play games. It's refreshing and it's welcoming, and it's Nintendo that's done it. Will we continue to see the same old franchises resurrected? I'm sure we will. Will we continue to see more fun and interesting software titles that have nothing to do with Mario? I'm certain we will. It's a win-win proposition for nostalgia gamers and those of us who crave something new.

I do still maintain my position, though, that Nintendo has created the perfect hardware platform for lightweight portable computing, and may be shooting themselves in the foot by not offering non-game solutions (though the browser is a step in the right direction, as is the TV tuner, though only for use in Japan). A GPS unit for one of these? VOIP phone cart? how about a data sampler and recorder? There are quite a few options available (though I'm glad they didn't do something dumb like integrate an MP3 player. That would've raised the price by far too much and felt too much like a cheap gimmick). Let's see some action on this thing, huh?

Will Nintendo falter in the future? It's felt shaky before, but as we can see, bounced back in a pretty big way. I hope they can keep on top of it, restore market dominance, and then, do the unthinkable in that position - keep on producing innovative games and hardware that are fun to play.

(subscript: Let me just say, by the by, that Barbie Horse Adventures is a message to little both gamers, and little girls. It says "Here at Mattel, we'd just like to mention that WE HATE YOU. Yes, we hate gamers, and we hate little girls, too. Parents, lock the doors, cause we're gonna come rape your children! We're SO fucking rich! Buy some more Barbie shit!")

(sub-subscript: ever notice how those in the dominant market spot just kinda... stop being cool? they say, 'hey, we're number one! now... we have to play it safe to stay that way.' and instead of producing the awesomeness that they were known for, instead pump out mass-market appeal bullshit that they -know- some people will buy, rather than taking a chance with something awesome that may or may not sell millions of units)

Re:This proves (1, Interesting)

Anonymous MadCoe (613739) | more than 7 years ago | (#15768890)

That actually depends on how you define superior product. In my view that means the product that more people are willing to pay the price for. Combined with actualy making a profit that would be a superioe product.

Of course you can also argue tha is someone has one customer that makes him a profit bigger than the 20 M. seperate products that that is a superior product...

Like I said agree with you, but it does depend on definitions.

Re:This proves (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773548)

Actually, that's not true. It seems believable, but if you actually look at the statistics, its not the case. Casual gaming is still a very emerging marketplace. It's growing quite fast, and I think Nintendo is banking on that growth, but the gaming industry today is still owned by the GTAs, Halos, Final Fantasys, etc.

My Mom has one now (4, Insightful)

Enry (630) | more than 7 years ago | (#15768863)

And she was the kind of person who never let us have a console game after the Apple II+ showed up (we had an Atari 2600 before that). Every $PRESENT_GETTING_TIME, we'd ask for a playstation, or nintendo, or something, but we were always told "No, you have a computer, it plays games, no consoles". So we went without. My wife bought me a PSX back in '96, but I haven't upgraded since.

Then a few weeks ago I got a DS Lite and my mom visited for a few days. She started playing Brain Age and that was it. When they left, my dad asked how much they were and where they could be purchased. A week later, she's busy playing Sudoku and Mario on her own DS Lite.

If you want to get one and your spouse gives you a wary eye, go get it and get Brain Age at the same time. You'll be a hero. But you may wind up arguing who gets to play with it.

Re:My Mom has one now (3, Funny)

Sefi915 (580027) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769009)

But you may wind up arguing who gets to play with it.

You're a geek with a wife. You shouldn't be arguing over who gets to play with it, she should have full permissions, rights, and access to anything of yours she wishes to play with, with minimal downtime.

So stock up on batteries and vitamin E.

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

Zardus (464755) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770170)

I got a wife, and not only does she like playing video games, she is a freaking rampart gamer. If you think girls liking jewelery is expensive, try a girl who FORCES you to go out and get Diablo II and the expansion and then makes you play it FOR FREAKING 20 hours over the course of a weekend!

If I got a DS Lite, and she wanted to play it, I'd probly hit her with it. No, J/K. I'd let her play, then I could get another DS Lite!

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769045)

My fiance plays Sudoku on my DS (that she bought for me). I try to get her to do the Brain Age stuff, but she got an 80 due to the "blue" bug (for lack of a better term) and has since been turned off by it. Too bad about that, but she does love the Sudoku on the DS.

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

Enry (630) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769423)

I try to get her to do the Brain Age stuff, but she got an 80 due to the "blue" bug (for lack of a better term) and has since been turned off by it.

You can always say you can't speak, but my wife is hit by the blue bug as well, but I'm not. I think she'll be glad to hear that others are having the problem as well.

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

EddieBurkett (614927) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769566)

Hold down select when you press the 'Brain Age Check' button (I forget the specific text), and that brings you to a *secret* menu where you can select which tests you want to do. If I do the Calculations, the Connect game, and Number Cruncher, I'll get a 20 everytime. If I take my chances with the Stroop Test, I'll fluctuate as high as 38 depending on how sensitive the microphone is that day. (I lack the patience to do the Word Memory test, though I enjoy it.) Its a shame about the 'Broo' bug, as there are a few times I've tried to show people how fun this game is and they're response is usually just, 'eh.'

Re:My Mom has one now (2, Insightful)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769097)

If you want to get one and your spouse gives you a wary eye, go get it and get Brain Age at the same time. You'll be a hero. But you may wind up arguing who gets to play with it.

That's why to be truly heroic, you buy two.

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769407)

Mod parent up. The family that plays together stays together :-)

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769456)

Yes. Especially if they play Mario vs. Luigi obsessively. The Japanese imports of Tennis no ouji-sama!

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769464)

If you want to get one and your spouse gives you a wary eye, go get it and get Brain Age at the same time.

And don't forget "Animal Crossing". We had to get a second DS for her so I could have mine back.

Same here (1)

dogbowl (75870) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769707)

My mom just got one too. And this after suffering through years of me playing Atari and the NES, she was the last person who I thought would ever express an interest in video games.

But she saw an add for Brain Training and had to have it. After looking all over town for a DS Lite, she finally got one at WalMart and I haven't heard from her since....

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

The-Bus (138060) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769777)

Nintendogs is like crack for girls. A friend got a DS Lite recently during a period where his girlfriend was staying with him during a university break. He picked up with Nintendogs and a couple of other games and I asked him if he got a handheld for himself as well. He didn't get the joke.

About two days later he calls me, complaining that he hasn't had a chance to really try any of the games. Eventually, he just took it to his work but she would call him and ask him if the dog had been fed, bathed, walked, etc.

So... beware.

Re:My Mom has one now (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15771686)

Eventually, he just took it to his work but she would call him and ask him if the dog had been fed, bathed, walked, etc.

Get. A. Life.

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770021)

You'll be a hero. But you may wind up arguing who gets to play with it.

That, or you just buy an import Royal Pink DS Lite just for her (unless she doesn't like pink, in which case you can also buy a Navy Blue or a Light Blue import, or a Polar White or Jet Black one from your nearest dealer)

(Unless you're in the USA, in which case you'd also have to import the Jet Black one)

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770151)

If you want to get one and your spouse gives you a wary eye, go get it and get Brain Age at the same time. You'll be a hero. But you may wind up arguing who gets to play with it.

I have heard a lot of good stuff about Brain Training for the wife, but I have never tried it yet. One thing I would like to know though is, is the game more like "Any-Brain Training" or "Brain-that-speaks-English-fluently Training"? My wife's mastery of English is far from perfect, and losing points because of that would suck (not speaking English doesn't make you dumb after all). Anybody knows of a French version of that game?

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770201)

French version is sold under the name "Brain Training - Programme d'Entraînement Cérébral du Dr Kawashima : Quel âge a votre cerveau ?" (english name "Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day!", original name "Tôhoku Daigaku Mirai Kagaku Gijutsu Kyôdô Kenkyû Center Kawashima Ryûta Kyûju Kanshu - Nô o kitaeru Otona no DS Training").

I strongly suspect that the US game would work as well (most DS games are multilingual), but i'm not sure. Anyway, if you want the european/french version you can get it for 30 off Amazon.fr [amazon.fr]

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770495)

French version is sold under the name "Brain Training - Programme d'Entraînement Cérébral du Dr Kawashima : Quel âge a votre cerveau ?" (english name "Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day!", original name "Tôhoku Daigaku Mirai Kagaku Gijutsu Kyôdô Kenkyû Center Kawashima Ryûta Kyûju Kanshu - Nô o kitaeru Otona no DS Training").

Thanks for the pointer. Unfortunately, Amazon.fr can only ship it in the UE, and I'm in Quebec, Canada. I'll keep an eye for it though.

Re:My Mom has one now (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15772055)

Ah I see the problem now:

1.) You live in Canada, which is a huge shithole
2.) You try to speak French in Canada. The type of French you speak there is not French, more of a ass backwards and retarded version.

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

Bobartig (61456) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770160)

This is a perfect example of the viral nature of the DS Lite. You (the technopioneering geek type) go out and get a DS lite, and a few games. EVERYONE around you starts asking questions: "How much is that?" "where can I get one?" "Only $129???"

And soon enough you're having pickup tetris tournaments on the couch.

Word of advice: As many posters have already said, BUY TWO! The first week I had mine, it ended up in my gf's purse. So I had to buy her one, too (a shiny black one!)

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

proc_tarry (704097) | more than 7 years ago | (#15771187)

I got a DS lite for my wife last week with Brain Academy & Animal Crossing. She was pretty disappointed when she found out I bought it. She's not a video game player.

Lets say she's hooked on Animal Crossing now. I never believed it could happen. She's all over collecting sea shells, bugs, paying off the mortgage, designing clothes & decorating.

Now I know what it looks like when I play WoW all day. Pretty soon I'm gonna want my wife back (and play WoW a little less too).

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

kayditty (641006) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772714)

The Playstation was released "September 9, 1995," unless you're in Japan (which only gives you leeway of about one year).

the prosecution will call this evidence A:
we'd ask for a playstation, or nintendo, or something
the prosecution will call this evidence B:
My wife bought me a PSX back in '96
I can only draw the conclusion, as a practitioner of dork law under the state of truth and justice, that you were still asking your mother to buy you toys when you were married. The prosecution rests.

Re:My Mom has one now (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772802)

Can we get a time line for these events? ;) I think you said playstation when you meant sega?

Our family owns a few (4, Insightful)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 7 years ago | (#15768878)

We own two. One for the son (blue), one for the doughter (pink).

My wife and I like the brain training games so two units are used by four people.

I'm sure my mum (79 years of age) will like the brain training games too so I bought a DS lite (white) with two games for her which I will give to her next Saturday.

What makes a god-fearing, law-abiding family father buy expensive electronic toys? High amounts if good (and mostly clean) fun!!!

I' still think I'm not a Nintendo fanboy but I sure like the stuff they make!

Re:Our family owns a few (2, Interesting)

chrispycreeme (550607) | more than 7 years ago | (#15768995)

The DS is the first game system I bought since my sega genesis system back when.. oh before time itself. I love this thing! It is a hell of a lot more advanced than the Sega, costs about the same, and is like 1/10 the size. I spent the first few days just shaking my head at the power, capability, and size of the thing. And the games are actually entertaining, not frustrating or something you have to give up your life in order to play properly. So, Im one of those 'casual' gamers who spent the $120- I used to be more involved in gaming but I just seem to have other things to do with my time now, with the ds I can play between the other things I do..

Re:Our family owns a few (2, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769255)

And the games are actually entertaining, not frustrating or something you have to give up your life in order to play properly.

You clearly haven't picked up Advance Wars... :-p

Re:Our family owns a few (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15769285)

We own two. One for the son (blue), one for the doughter (pink)

Way to ingrain gender-stereotypes. Just make sure the daughter isn't gaming too much, or else she'll start slacking on learning her way around the kitchen.

Re:Our family owns a few (1, Insightful)

BTWR (540147) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769327)

Way to ingrain gender-stereotypes. Just make sure the daughter isn't gaming too much, or else she'll start slacking on learning her way around the kitchen.

Wow. Let me guess. You're probably a "know-it-all teenager," and you don't have any kids. You're "so progressive." I'll bet when you have kids, you won't let your daughter have a barbie, and you'll make your son put on pink dresses, because you don't want to teach him "gender-specific" ideas. Wow. Your kids are going to turn out SO NORMAL!

Re:Our family owns a few (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769531)

Way to ingrain gender-stereotypes.

OK, I'll bite.

Speaking of my doughter, she's very bright and can solve complex problems. If she really wants to, that is...
The thing is that she likes to play with dolls and wants everything colored pink. Her most valuable tool is a bag to put stuff in.
Neither me nor my wife like girly things. We don't know where our doughter got the girly attitude but she has it. A LOT.
The son is a typical boy and likes blue. Didn't force him into that either. Society might but I didn't.

So you expect people to be politically correct and buy the ugly, grey Nintendo DSes? Even if the kids particularily like blue or pink?
Hell you remember me of the politically correctnes of the 70ies. Boy that screwed up the minds of loads of kids. Boys had to be girls and girls had to be boys.

Grow your own kids buddy and share your findings. In 20 years or so...

OTOH, I think you actually posted out of boredom. Nothing on TV... Can't get no pussy.... Let's be politically correct!

Re:Our family owns a few (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15769788)

Speaking of my doughter

This is the second post that you've spelled it "doughter". Repeat after me, D-A-U-G-H-T-E-R. You are not a good advertisement for Brain Age, nor should you be raising children.

Re:Our family owns a few (1)

SpaghettiPattern (609814) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770514)

Fair enough. D-A-U-G-H-T-E-R.

Not as an excuse but I'm not a native english speaker, don't live in an english spellng country, too lazy to spell check, too lazy to install FF with spell checking, ....

Re:Our family owns a few (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15769990)

With the disclaimer that it's always risky trying to extrapolate tone from Slashdot posts, the way you drop in a mention of the color makes it appear you're somehow proud that your boy has gone for the blue DS and your girl for the pink. Or that you need to mention that they have gone for the 'correct' colors lest they be thought of as deviant.

Would you have made any mention of the colour if they both had gray DSs?

Re:Our family owns a few (1)

Chibi-Hikaru (969350) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770133)

I like to mention the color of my Sea Green (Ice Blue) DS Lite all the time. Doesn't mean there's anything inherently evil about it. You bleeding hearts need to learn to chill the fuck out and let kids be kids. Heaven forbid a girl likes pink. Stop the fucking presses. The OP better get rid of any and all violent games his son may play and give them to his daughter then give his son his daughter's copy of Nintendogs while were at it. And since we're going this far, lets be competely rediculous and cut his kid's pecker off and attach it to his daugther so she can be a he and he can be a she.

Re:Our family owns a few (1, Troll)

Chibi-Hikaru (969350) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770093)

Way to ingrain gender-stereotypes. Just make sure the daughter isn't gaming too much, or else she'll start slacking on learning her way around the kitchen.


It may come as a surprise to you but it's okay for a girl to like pink. It's also okay for a girl to want to cook too. It's okay for a girl to have children and stay home and raise them properly.

It's also okay for a boy to like blue, play football and hunt critters.

Just because you have been trained to be a close minded biggot blinded by your facist liberal professors doesn't mean either of you are correct.

Re:Our family owns a few (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15773575)

Die in a fire, untermench.

Re:Our family owns a few (1)

gzunk (242371) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772664)

We own 5. One for my wife (first one bought). Then two for Child A and Child C. Then one for Child B (but with his money) after he saw how much Child A and Child C were enjoying them. Then one for me. Never been tempted by a PSP though.

Expensive? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15773695)

EXPENSIVE?

If Dell, HP, or any of the "PDA" manufacturers made a touch-screen portable device with 2 screens, that looks as sexy as the new DS Lite, they'd be slapping a $600+ price tag on the thing.

At $129, the DS is a BARGAIN.

Well (1)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 7 years ago | (#15768927)

Nintendo would be able to at least add a 1 to those numbers if they released the black DS Lite in the USA (a.k.a. "I'd buy one"). Even though it has some nice hardware (touchscreen, built-in WiFi, mic, ARM processor), I was also skeptical of the DS at first: "Oh come on, how many developers are going to make use of the touch screen"... thankfully my skepticism was vanquished when developers came through with real creativity and awesomeness. Add to the awesome games the ability to play movies and mp3's (http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3834 [lik-sang.com] ), run Linux (url:http://www.dslinux.org/>), and the awesome looks of the machine... and you have an unstoppable portable.

...if they were only in black (and the cool dark navy blue... and the blue "ice").

Re:Well (4, Insightful)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769004)

If your looking for homebrew development the psp or gamepark is probably the way to go. As a former (well current but its collecting dust) PSP owner, I came to appreciate the DS because it didnt play movies, music and run linux....it just played games and played them well.

Re:Well (0, Flamebait)

falcon5768 (629591) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769057)

Sept Nintendo (unlike Sony) has come to not really care what the homebrewers are doing and to even take some cues from them in putting out stuff for the DS.

Re:Well (1)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769775)

I'm not going to get one because it can do those things -- but its ability to do those things makes me all giddy and the techno-freak inside me smile. It's a game machine and gosh-darnit, I'm going to play games on it :]

Re:Well (1)

SystemR (787935) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770705)

You're wrong, try google moonshell and DSLinux.

Re:Well (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772897)

You *must* be joking. Sony is doing it's best to eliminate any possibility for piracy, and as a side effect, homebrew on the PSP. The only option for PSP owners is to downgrade their BIOS, and then never play a new game, for fear that their BIOS would be involuntarily upgraded.

Meanwhile, you can get a simple passthrough card and a slot-2 storage device for the DS for under $100, these days. You can then grab devkitarm and hack away. And you'll love it... the DS hardware is very simple and easy to work with. Heck, the 3D registers are practically a direct mapping from OpenGL.

Re:Well (2, Informative)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769148)

If you're looking for an mp3/movie player for the GBA (and thus Nintendo DS too), don't buy this one. I've heard bad things about it (low FPS, etc).

The official one from Nintendo is really well made, doesn't drop video frames and supports real standard .mp4 video files (custom specs required, but still standard .mp4 files).

http://www.lik-sang.com/info.php?category=246&prod ucts_id=8168& [lik-sang.com]

I've been using that one on my Mac with Quicktime Pro. I use "export to MPEG-4" along with "preserve aspect ratio" to have 240x160 files that don't get cropped on the GBA screen size. With a GameBoy Pocket, it's the ultimate in pocket-sized portable movies. Good enough to watch TV shows while on the bus, subway, etc.

The only thing in Japanese is the intro/warning screen.... After that, it's all icons and quite easy to use.

Only bad thing: it only supports up to 1GB SD cards (and one specific model/brand of a 2GB card, if I remember correctly).

Re:Well (2, Informative)

Kirsha (201264) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769476)

Just get the M3 player. LOTS of features and excellent compatibility.

http://www.m3adapter.com/ [m3adapter.com]

It has its own wiki too

http://m3wiki.com/ [m3wiki.com]

Re:Well (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#15771264)

From the mp3adapter.com website:
The format can be played on GBA / NDS is the special GBM and GBS format. Abundant movies and music have already provided for everybody to download at present.

I'm sorry but I once had an M3. Not sure if the new firmware is a whole lot better, but when I used it the GBM/GBS files were crap, took a huge amount of space, the framerate was low, the sound quality was crap, and it required Windows-only software to convert everything to its GBM/GBS formats.

The Nintendo Play-Yan micro plays MP3 files directly and MPEG-4 video files directly (limited to some specs but still standard MPEG-4 files).

Re:Well (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769370)

You could always buy the white and use some glossy black paint to make your own black DS. Heck, if you have a friend with an airbrush, I'm sure it'd look great if the guy knows what he's doing. Black model paint tends to be pretty resiliant and even if it does chip it's very easy to touch up. Go wild MrSquirrel, go wild.

Re:Well (1)

mausmalone (594185) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769390)

If you can't wait for black, you could import a Japanese or European one from Lik-Sang. The DSs aren't region protected in any way. It will cost you a premium, but you'll have it.

I have one of the older blue DSs... and I love it. I've played with the Lites, and I'm impressed, but as long as what I have plays the games well, I'm happy with it.

I'll add 1 to the April 2006-March 2007 (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15768964)

If they bring something besides Hyper White DS Lite to the states. I've got a platinum DS, and I like it, but I want a new one. Two DS's would also open up multiplayer Mario Kart, Mario64, and Tetris with my wife, and she could get her own Nintendogs. Come on, Nintendo! Give America the other DS Lite colors! And don't bundle them with something, please. Unless you let me choose what game I want in the 'bundle', then we can work something out. Black/Navy Blue DS Lite to the states! Send 'em over. As long as we don't have to deal with Guy, The Adversary to get them. http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/06/09 [penny-arcade.com]

Re:I'll add 1 to the April 2006-March 2007 (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770077)

You could buy them import from europe or japan (e.g. Lik Sang). DS' are not region-protected, only the games somewhat are and even then it's not too much of an issue.

Re:I'll add 1 to the April 2006-March 2007 (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772921)

I'd wait. I didn't want a white one either but I'm quite happy with it. Thing is if you import you won't have a warranty and there is a small percentage of them having problems with the hinge cracking. (Nintendo claims it's only .02% of them but there have been quite a few reports (with pictures) of the problem so I dunno)

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid= 18478 [gamesindustry.biz]

Not to fanboy here... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15768975)

But I know I'll be getting one around this Holiday season, and it seems to go quite well with my plans to get a Wii around the same timeframe as well.

It certainly isn't a make-or-break reason for the Wii console, but it does put another mark in the "+" column when doing comparisons.

I know I'm not in the majority here when I say that I played Crystal Chronicles with friends using the GBA, but I think that the majority of those who have can say that it was a satisfying game experience (no waiting for teammates to select things from the menu for example). Perhaps the people here who have also played Four Swords (the Zelda game) also agree with the idea that GBA connectivity, when available, added to the game favorably, or at the least, didn't detract from it?

Re:Not to fanboy here... (2, Interesting)

Zardus (464755) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770291)

Zelda Four Sword and FF:CC are two of the very best games for the gamecube. My wife and I played both. We're almost done with Zelda and kinda left FF:CC for it (we like Zelda better). Another game the GBA connectivity shines in is Pacman: VS, which we play anytime people are over, especially if these people are non-gamers.

I was very highly sceptical about GBA-GC connectivity at first and saw it as a ploy to suck more money out of people, but its really one of the best features of any current-generation consoles. Just awesome.

Re:Not to fanboy here... (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770652)

I especially liked PacMan Vs. It really is a great pick up and play party game for non-gamers.

It was less of a pain since there was only 1 wire required, and the rest were wavebirds getting passed around. I can't imagine how much of a mess that would be with 4 cabled controllers. Even though they do offer backwords cabled support with the GameCube docking station, I would love it if they had a wireless mod built into the Wii. Wireless just keeps it cleaner.

What I would love to know is why can't the 'DS Download play' pull down single cart multiplayer from a GBA game if it supports the Wireless adapter? We tried it with the Dr. Mario NES release, but no luck. :(

Even layer 1 differs between GBA and DS wireless (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#15771775)

why can't the 'DS Download play' pull down single cart multiplayer from a GBA game if it supports the Wireless adapter?

For the same reason you can't connect to a Wi-Fi network using a Bluetooth adapter. Just because it's radio doesn't mean it's the same frequency, the same modulation, the same data link protocol, or the same network protocol.

Re:Even layer 1 differs between GBA and DS wireles (1)

trdrstv (986999) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772080)

I understand that, however due to the relatively close timing of the 2 product launches (GBA Wireless in Early 2004, the DS in Late 2004) in just seems like a missed opportunity for Nintendo to make them compatible.

This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism,,, (3, Interesting)

Daetrin (576516) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769029)

but what are the latest worldwide shipped figures for the PSP?

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (2, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15769164)

I don't have the worldwide numbers but it is interesting to note that June (because of the DSlite release) is the only month since last November that the DS outsold the PSP in the US

sorces [videogamecharts.com]

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

Just Some Guy (3352) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769492)

June (because of the DSlite release) is the only month since last November that the DS outsold the PSP in the US

You misspelled "outshipped". There's a stack of PSPs at Wal-Mart, but I can't find a DS Lite in my whole city.

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769534)

That doesn't mean too much to me. Walmart is well known for their ability to manage JIT inventory. Just because they don't have a DS doesn't mean it sold out. Just because they have PSPs lying around doesn't mean they're not selling. You can't read anything into inventory lying around. I went to Circuit City last week and they had a million DS games and not one PSP game even though they had the hardware and accessories for both...so the PSP games must be selling out completely?

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769756)

I think there are problems at Bentonville with regards to DS shipments. I went by the local one last week looking for a DS Lite for my wife and was told they didnt have their second shipment yet. Went to another and found they said the same thing. Finally went to a Target a few miles further down the road and found they had 2 in stock.

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

earthbound kid (859282) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769873)

I went to Circuit City last week and they had a million DS games and not one PSP game


Huh, I can't think of any reason why that could be [google.com] ...

(Sorry, I usually try not to be a fanboy, but this one I couldn't resist.)

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

Swift(void) (655825) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770939)

It means alot, actually. Nintendo have sold over 20 million DS/DS Lites since its release. Thats to the stores and out the doors in the hands of customers. Sony have so far only release details on how many PSP's it has shipped. All that means is that Sony have delivered them to someone. Walmart might have 500,000 sitting unsold in their warehouse, but Sony still count it, whereas Nintendo dont count it unless money has changed hands between customer and retailer.

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772407)

Like I said, it's comparing apples to oranges. You can't compare units shipped to units sold. So unlike your conclusion, it means nothing. Not to mention that Nintendo's method of tracking units sold to customers is spotty at best. How can they know exactly how many were sold unless the retailer tells them? And is it really in the retailer's best interest to report how many units they've actually sold?

Reporting Sales (1)

SethraLavode (910814) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773971)

I'm not sure if its the same with the DS, but all the major retailers DID report sales for the GBA SP. As soon as the unit was rung up and the serial number scanned (which is why it was visible from outside the box), the serial, date, and name/location of the store was sent on to Nintendo. That's part of how they kept track of warranty information.

I found this out first-hand when I tried to exchange a silver SP (still unopened) that I bought on clearance at K*B for a black one at Wal-Mart the next day. The customer service lady refused to take the exchange, since she knew it wasn't sold by Wal-Mart. I would say being able to detect fraudulent returns *is* in the retailer's best interest.

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772606)

That's a pretty meaningless argument because

a) There's only so much inventory a retailer's going to have lying around. If the PSP didn't sell no retailer would order more from Sony.

b) If Nintendo doesn't want people to compare Sony's shipped versus their sold figures all they have to do is publish their own shipped figures. They just have to add it as an afterthought to the sold figures (20 million sold and over 768 million shipped).

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

be-fan (61476) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773533)

Think logically here. Consider the system as a flow, from Sony to the retailer, and from the retailer to the customer. Units shipped/month measures the flow rate to the retailer, units sold/month measured the flow rate to the customer. In practice, the two rates are roughly equal. The retailer might keep some inventory, but that's irrelevent. What's relevant is that the retailer isn't going to keep a continually growing inventory. For the size of the inventory to remain constant, the number of units shipped to the retailer wil be the same as the number of units sold to the customer.

In other words, if Sony is consistently shipping 500k units/month, that means 500k units/month are getting sold through retail channels, on average. If the systems weren't selling, retailers would drop their orders for the next month, and we'd see that in the sales figures. The only place where the size of the inventory matters is in judging total units sold, which is different from the total units shipped by the size of the inventory. Inventories are non-zero, but they're quite small in the case of modern retailers (nowhere near your 500k figure). Warehousing unsold product is very expensive, both for the storage itself and because of the capital tied up in stored merchandise. Therefore, retailers very rarely keep large inventories.

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

PeelBoy (34769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772950)

I'd like to see the numbers of both sold AND shipped psp's. (why compare Sonys shipped numbers to Nintendos sold numbers?)

psp has been out selling the ds in America but psp games haven't done nearly as well.

(maybe locoroco and tekken will help change that. doesn't look like it though)

Re:This will probably fan the flames of fanboyism, (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773484)

17.03 Million as of March 31st. Quite out of date, but expect new numbers in the next few days.

As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (4, Insightful)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769041)

Nintendo, just like Apple, understands something that others still don't: it's not all about hardware and raw power anymore. Who cares if the Wii is less powerful than the Xbox 360 and PS3? Who cares if the Nintendo DS is less powerful than the PSP? In the end, it's all about innovation and software.

The iPod would be almost useless without iTunes (the program, not the iTMS - iTunes Music Store), and the Nintendo DS would be pointless if all it could play was the same games as on the SNES/N64/Gamecube.

More processing power? Sure. Better graphics? Of course. But not at the expense of innovation and good software.

I don't remember who said it, but it goes something like this: "The most powerful computer on the planet would be useless without software to run on it."

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (4, Insightful)

digitrev (989335) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769089)

Not to mention that there are actual games out for it. You could go buy yourself a PSP, and play the limited selection of PSP only games, as well as the PSP port games, or you could go buy yourself a DS, and choose from a much wider selection. And then there's the curiosity factor, the "oooh, pretty" factor, and the cost factor. It's moments like this that makes me glad that Nintendo lost the huge market share. Now they have to actually do something to make money.

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

poot_rootbeer (188613) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769778)

You could go buy yourself a PSP, and play the limited selection of PSP only games, as well as the PSP port games, or you could go buy yourself a DS, and choose from a much wider selection. And then there's the curiosity factor, the "oooh, pretty" factor, and the cost factor.

Umm, I think you just accidentally proved that it is Sony who is the Apple of the portable games market.

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

Bastian (66383) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769956)

The original poster was referring to iPods, not iMacs.

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#15771201)

No, I was refering to Macs but not about gaming. Who buys a Mac for gaming?!

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770164)

and choose from a much wider selection

And even then, you forgot a few advantages of the NDS over the PSP:

  • The games are actually good and interresting. PSP has like 2 games I find interresting (Lumines and Loco Roco), others are merely crappy PS2 ports.
  • The... NDS... has... batteries... 10 hours of autonomy vs 3 hours helps a lot, for a handheld

In the PSP/DS match, Nintendo has the numbers, it has the variety, and it has the quality.

Meanwhile the PSP has better 3D.

And the last, but not the least, most of the DS games can be played by burst of 5-10 minutes (while these 5-10mn barely let you get out of the PSP's loading screens) and the "sleep" mode as soon as you close the DS makes it perfect for commuting (train, tube, bus, ...). Not all of them can of course, but quite a lot of them (even works with New Super Mario Bros)

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

a_nonamiss (743253) | more than 7 years ago | (#15771480)

The DS Lite advertises 18 hours of battery life on the lowest brightness setting, and I can personally attest to this fact. Due to the fact that I have a wife, I keep track of exactly how much time I spend playing games. (It helps with arguments about how much time I spend gaming. For those of you who are married, you probably understand where I am coming from... wait... this is Slashdot... never mind about the being married part.) Anyway, I have played my DS Lite for 36 hours since I purchased it about a month and a half ago. I have charged it exactly twice (once when it was new, and once since then) and it's going strong. The first charge actually lasted a little under 20 hours, and I'm still on the second.

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

masklinn (823351) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772617)

The DS Lite advertises 18 hours of battery life on the lowest brightness setting

Since it starts at the 3rd level of brightness by default, I just kept it at that. I also often use 3rd level in daylight, 1st level is just too dim.

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

manux (167900) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770955)

I don't consider myself a fanboy on either side of the current portable handheld situation, as an owner of both a PSP and a DS. I also agree with the general consensus of the current status of "good" games on the PSP: few and far between. That being said, look at the software that was available in the earlier days of the DS. There wasn't much on it to play in the first year or so, at least nothing that struck my fancy. I didn't end up picking up my DS until Kart was released, while I got my PSP right away simply for all the other functions that it has. Considering the fact that the PSP was released in March of 2005, compared to the November 2004 launch of the DS, I'm hoping that the game selection for the PSP will also mature in time. It certainly didn't happen for the DS right away. Perhaps in 5 months, we'll see some more games for PSP that are worth playing? The release of "Valkyrie Profile: Lenneth" has rekindled my interest in playing games on my PSP, even though it is just a port of a PS1 one (a PS1 game that goes for $100+). I haven't really done much game playing on my PSP since unlocking everything in "Hot Shots Golf: Open Tee", which was several months ago. Despite the lack of games to play, however, as one of the few people without an iPod/other MP3 player, I do use my PSP alot as a music player, portable video player, and text document reader (text to jpeg conversion). Its a great media device if you use it for all of its capabilities, not to mention all of the homebrew stuff thats available for it, if you prefer that route.

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

justchris (802302) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773552)

Starting in June of 2005, DS began receiving consistently good releases (this is in the US, possibly sooner in Japan). Meaning that 8 months after release, the DS library went from ignorable to stellar. The PSP has so far been out 15 months, and its library of games is still mediocre. The PSP will need to come with some really spectacular games to compensate for being behind. There are actually 2 or 3 in the works, but there are something like 15 excellent games planned for release for the DS between August-December of this year. The PSP is going to need more than 2 or 3 good games to compete.

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15771652)

Well see the problem with that idea is that a) there are more games for PSP, and b) there are more high rated games for PSP. Source: MetaCritic [metacritic.com]

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (1)

h4ck7h3p14n37 (926070) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773369)

I keep hearing this thing about the PSP not having many games, but the last time I was at a Fry's or a Best Buy I saw dozens. The problem is that the PSP is basically a portable Playstation; meaning that it gets the same sorts of games that I already have at home. The DS, on the other hand, offers a unique gaming experience. I own both systems (actually two DS's, the old and new) and I find that I only use my PSP when I'm flying somewhere, mostly to watch the few UMDs I own or play Hot Shots Golf. The DS gets almost daily use (unfortunately I have a real job or I'd play for hours every day) and I'm buying new games every month or so, while I haven't bought a new game for the PSP since Metal Gear Acid 2 came out.

Re:As I said before, Nintendo is a bit like Apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15773436)

Now Nintendo has to do something to make money? LOL... Nintendo is a profitable company for a long time, looong time.

CmdrTaco on Backslash (-1, Troll)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769092)

From his profile (linked above) thought this was an interesting read ...

BackSlash continues to be an interesting experiment meeting with totally unsurprising commentary from readers. Many are angry and missing the points. Others are appreciating it for what it is. But just to raise a few points about it, Backslash currently exists as an experiment to merge automated moderation with traditional "Editing". This serves 2 purposes: one is to create "Original" content for readers unwilling to read public forums. These people are MOST of you. They don't want to read any forum. The end. But there are great things in the forums. So if we can bridge this gap, we can make Slashdot Forums useful to the majority of readers who don't want to wade through them. The second point is that this gives us another data point for training/revising/improving the moderation system. Random data points of good comments from a few trusted sources. We have a lot of Score:5 comments and a lot of Score:1 comments that are quite good too. The new moderation system will give us a lot more flexibility in selecting moderators, and controling the influence that they wield within the system. I'm hoping that the Backslash stories will give us a good data point for seeding that system.

Guesstimates? (2, Informative)

Cutriss (262920) | more than 7 years ago | (#15769578)

Nintendo themselves has said they've passed 21 million.

Source [planetgamecube.com] - this is off PR Newswire, so it's a regular press release.

Not to mention the idea of posting this article without a reliable news source. Blogging a quarterly shareholder meeting is one thing, but when Nintendo has released press releases with the same information, why bother falling back on a pretty-much no-name blog? And if you don't think PGC is "reliable", then pick one more to your liking [google.com] . Preferably one without a stupid animated GIF in it.

I just bought one this weekend (1)

metamatic (202216) | more than 7 years ago | (#15770483)

It may be cutesy, but Animal Crossing is a lot of fun. It's what I wanted The Sims to be like. I haven't visited anyone via the net yet, that's my next task.

It's also a good game to sit and take a casual half hour break with every day or two, so it really focuses on a different part of the potential gaming audience.

I had no fundamental objection to the PSP, and there were 3 or 4 games I'd have played on it, but when I tried one the loading times were really intolerable.

Half-price (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 7 years ago | (#15771083)

The half price DS Lites GAME is selling seem to be going pretty quick too: the last fifty took less than 30 seconds...

The industry has been turned inside out (5, Interesting)

Rosebud128 (930419) | more than 7 years ago | (#15771658)

Almost two years ago if someone pointed to this dual screened mutant and said,

-It would lead a gaming renaissance in Japan, making the Japanese game market larger than America so far in the year 2006.

-It would outsell the PSP in all markets.

-It would be very popular among girls too.

-And popular among older people with a game called 'Brain Age'. This demographic the industry thought was impossible to reach.

-Animal Crossing Wild World would outsell Final Fantasy 12 in Japan (could Final Fantasy 3 outsell FF12?)

-A game called Nintendogs will outsell Halo and is set to outsell Halo 2.

-Companies like Electronic Arts will struggle on the system as they do not know how to deal with disruption technology. But smaller companies like Atlus shall rise.

-Let's not forget a new 2D Mario (after fifteen years) turning the markets on fire everywhere.

You would think the person had gone mad. And many people thought Nintendo had gone mad in late 2004 (just as many thought they had gone mad with the Wii)

Where is the PSP? Well, the software for the PSP is abysmal in Japan. The DS sales lead over the PSP in Japan is so gigantic that if you begin to combine PSP markets, the PSP still doesn't outsell the DS.

So what is different? Nintendo sees the DS's true competition of those who aren't interested in games at all. The company mission is taking affect: "Make as many gamers as possible."

Two years ago...

-Japan had been in a slow decline and analysts were wondering if it worth the effort to 'win' Japan anymore.

-Everyone predicted the PSP would do to the DS what Playstation did to the Nintendo consoles.

-America's game market was extremely healthy with blockbusters like GTA: SA and Halo 2.

-Nintendo was about to go third party.

Now...

-Japan's game market is now bigger than America's and is rapidly expanding.

-Everyone's lofty PSP predictions now have egg on their face.

-America's game market has been in free-fall since 2004. People are ignoring this issue and calling it a 'transition period' without mentioning that the next-gen systems out such as the PSP and Xbox 360 are not growing the market in any way.

-Nintendo swims in profits.

Anyone who believes the seventh generation of consoles will match the PS2 era is deluding themselves. Let the Seventh Generation of Consoles be known as the Fragmentation Era as the games market is dividing into seperate realms.

Welcome to the new world.

You're a bit off. (1)

Viewsonic (584922) | more than 7 years ago | (#15772165)

Nintendo was never about to go third party, and never will go third party. They could lose the bank with the Wii and would still only make games for their own systems. It just wont ever happen with the current leadership.

And the Japanese gaming market was always larger than the USAs. Unless you go back to the days of Atari and Intellivision.

Re:You're a bit off. (1)

leland242 (736905) | more than 7 years ago | (#15773159)


Glad you saw that too. I remember reading an article a few years ago where the president of nintendo said, in no uncertain words, that they would always be in the hardware business and never be a 3rd party developer.
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