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The Mighty Mouse Has Lost Its Tail

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the evolution-removing-another-tail dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "It's all over the place - Apple has just released a Bluetooth version of the Mighty Mouse for $69. It features a new laser based tracking system and gets it power from either one or two (you decide) replaceable AA batteries, but does not work with Windows yet (no words on Linux)."

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219 comments

Mighty Mouse! (3, Funny)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777767)

Here I come to point and click!

Re:Mighty Mouse! (1)

filesiteguy (695431) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778830)

That's almost as funny as Apples regression mouse - ie zero buttons. It was bad enough that apple can't produce a two button mouse, but c'mon how is this useful??

I was supporting my father-in-law the other day, who has an eMacintosh or iMacintosh or something like that. In any case, his mouse had this annoying feature where there's no button (or heaven forbid, a scroll wheel) and you push down to click.

I couldn't wait to get finished so I could get back to a real mouse on my SUSE laptop. :P

Re:Mighty Mouse! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15779186)

It's Apple Innovation(tm), you fool! What other company could have come up with a wireless mouse!!!

"(no words on Linux)" (1)

Red Samurai (893134) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777770)

Damn it, I can't make the bloody joke now. Thanks a lot.

Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (-1, Troll)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777781)

I know this is Apple we're talkin about here... but where the hell is the second button still?

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (1)

Jace of Fuse! (72042) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777796)

The top is actually two buttons and the side has two more buttons. The scroll-ball in the middle is also a button.

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (1)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778403)

I remember reading all of the excited reviews of this product when it was first released. Since then popularity has dropped off significantly, though it still holds a following. I do not want one, as I prefer having real buttons.

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (1)

Tyler Eaves (344284) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777801)

RTFSS?

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (3, Informative)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777811)

It's there... you have to lift up ou index finger and then click to "right click", it's a pain it use.

Third Button? (2, Insightful)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777828)

I know this is Apple we're talkin about here... but where the hell is the second button still?

Second button? Where's the third button? How am I supposed to friggin' paste?!@

Re:Third Button? (1)

Golashes (972383) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777945)

There's a sensor on the scroll ball area too for a third mouse button.

That doesn't make it feel too much better when I use it, however. Having to lift up my index finger to hit the second or third button is too awkward/slow, especially when gaming. I use my trusty Logitech MX 510 (With a few more buttons than the Mighty Mouse, which are awful nice with Exposé) and haven't had any problems-- not to mention it's actually cheaper than the Mighty Mouse.

Re:Third Button? (1)

AgNO3 (878843) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778160)

Its a four button mouse. left right, middle, and the side squeeze. There are just no seems. Did you bother to look at the page and read?

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (1)

IMarvinTPA (104941) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777842)

It has two touch sensitive areas on the top that you can set up to be two buttons or one. The side buttons are not the normal mouse buttons. RTFA, er wait, bad link, go to the store and click on the big mouse on the front page!

IMarv

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777872)

ok so it technically has two buttons underneath... it still doesn't change the fact that it looks like a bar of soap.

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (3, Insightful)

THotze (5028) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777889)

The Mighty Mouse HAS a second button - and many more, in fact. They're just not divided up into obvious, externally visible buttons. But click on the right part of the mouse, and it'll function like a control-click, if you have the mouse configured that way. There are also 'buttons' on the sides of the mouse, etc.

I've always wondered if the Mighty Mouse doesn't violate a lot of Apple's user design principles. I don't mean with the one-button vs. multi-button design, per se... one of Apple's reasons for having a default of one-button (Macs have supported multi-button mice, and programs for graphic designers, etc.) is to ensure that software designers didn't hide functionality behind right-clicks, etc. Everything should be visible, and accessible through menus at the top of the screen or icons on the screen.

So Apple has this principle of visibility... then they HIDE the buttons on the mouse? This may be excusable when you only have one button - people just get used to pressing the top of the mouse, and it clicks - but when there are multiple buttons that you can't see on the top of the mouse? That doesn't make any sense. I mean, even experienced computer users (Mac users) who weren't familiar with the mighty mouse could end up right-clicking without realizing that they COULD right click.

Now, it IS just a mouse, and so you do get used to it very quickly... it would have been cool, though, if Apple could, say, have had small LEDs for each button. They could be activated (or de-activated if activated by default) to emit a small light for each button. You could even make them multi-coloured and it'd be an easy way to explain operation of a computer - or for that matter, you could code icons/menus so that to use function X in photoshop, highlighted in red, you press the red button.

But alas, Apple doesn't seem to think so.

Tim

Mouse Morality (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777930)

"one of Apple's reasons for having a default of one-button (Macs have supported multi-button mice, and programs for graphic designers, etc.) is to ensure that software designers didn't hide functionality behind right-clicks, etc"

That's not the best attitude toward software designers, especially when the designers need the flexibility to deliver the best user experience. Shouldn't they leave such moral decisions ("Nothing in right mouse clicks!" to designers and users?

Re:Mouse Morality (1)

Lally Singh (3427) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778025)

That'd be a good argument if most software didn't really suck.

Re:Mouse Morality (1)

TheNumberless (650099) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778124)

It's not "nothing in right mouse clicks!", it's "Nothing only in right mouse clicks!". There's a world of difference there.

Re:Mouse Morality (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778134)

The policy is not that you can't put anything in right clicks, but that anything that you put in right clicks should be easily accesable from the menus as well. Compare this to windows (or even some of Apple's pro apps) where some functionality is ONLY availible via right click. You can't just browse the menus to see what you can do.

Re:Mouse Morality (1)

santiago (42242) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778960)

That's not the best attitude toward software designers, especially when the designers need the flexibility to deliver the best user experience.


No. The existence of standards is what makes an OS and its associated applications useable. Maybe your idea is better than the standard, but is it really so much better that doing it your way will make things easier for users even though your program doesn't behave the way they expect it to? The answer is almost certainly no. There is value in consistency of interface conventions and reusability of paradigms. The fact that everyone thinks they can do it better than everyone else is the reason why user interface in the Linux world is still wretched.

Usability (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15779122)

"No. The existence of standards is what makes an OS and its associated applications useable"

No, usability, even if it means breaking restrictive standards, is what makes an OS and its associated applications usable. The early Adobe apps which helped make desktop publishing a "killer app" on the Macintosh broke Apple's strict menu and UI standards. Adobe knew they had to violate the scriptures handed down by the ayatollahs of Apple OS morality, and they helped everyone involved by doing so. Even Apple.

"but is it really so much better that doing it your way will make things easier for users even though your program doesn't behave the way they expect it to?"

If it really is so much better, then the choice should be made to make it easier. There is "value in consistency of interface conventions and reusability of paradigms", but there is also value in recognizing when there is a better way that breaks paradigm. There's even more value in knowing when the standards are a strength to be kept or when they are a burden to user and designer. Both happen.

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777935)

one of Apple's reasons for having a default of one-button (Macs have supported multi-button mice, and programs for graphic designers, etc.) is to ensure that software designers didn't hide functionality behind right-clicks, etc. Everything should be visible, and accessible through menus at the top of the screen or icons on the screen.

which is why right click enabled actions are simply replaced by Command-Click actions. Now you actually have to use two hands to do the same action. brilliant ;) I'm not trying to give Apple a hard time, I just fail to see why it took so long to create a wireless mouse of this design, when wireless mice have been around for a looooong time now.

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (1)

jezzball (28743) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777946)

It defaults to being one button. Why have two distinct buttons when the default configuration is one button?

And LEDs on the buttons? You have to be kidding me. How often do you look at your mouse when you're using it?

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (4, Interesting)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778007)

I've always wondered if the Mighty Mouse doesn't violate a lot of Apple's user design principles.

I think their design principals are well represented in this mouse. By default it is a simple one-button mouse anyone can use with no training and which encourages app designers to behave properly. With a small bit of knowledge (for more advanced users) it can be a five button mouse. Simple by default, more complex and powerful for those who want it. The best part about this design is on a multi user system a grandmother and the kids can have a single button mouse, while the more advanced users can have multi button mice, without swapping out any hardware. Of course I don't have kids and am addicted to trackballs, so I'm not going to use this anyway, but it sounds great for other people.

Re:Great Cycloptian Mouse Batman! (2, Informative)

tricorn (199664) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778107)

Actually, it doesn't function like a control-click, it actually sends in "button 2" (and you can configure button1-button4, no action, or various things like Exposé, for any of the four "buttons": left, right, scrollball, and side button). Control-click is taken to mean the same thing as "button 2" in most places, but the difference can be clearly determined in the software.

I've seen a few people have problems with the Mighty Mouse - they rest both fingers on both sides of the mouse, sometimes lifting one or the other, so have problems with consistently left-clicking. I've had no problems at all with it, other than the scroll ball sometimes failing to respond in one direction (rollers get dirty, no way to take it out to clean it, but a cotton swab and a touch of isopropyl alcohol and swirling the ball around a little, seems to clear it right up).

Here I come to save the dayyyyyyy! (1)

1_brown_mouse (160511) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777788)

I loved Andy Kaufman doing that bit.

Bad link (5, Informative)

TINGEA77 (935076) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777803)

bad link, use this instead... BTW how is this news!!??

http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/ [apple.com]

Re:Bad link (1, Funny)

jayhawk88 (160512) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778355)

How is this news? Apple just released a 3 yeard old technology with a cute name and useless features! I mean come on, I'm shocked that the President hasn't addressed the nation yet!

Re:Bad link (2, Interesting)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778462)

The scroll is a useful feature and is the only reason I keep the Mighty Mouse. All the other competitors that scroll horizontally with the tilt wheel require a lot of force and is only an on/off button, not a proportional positioning device, with Mighty Mouse, it just rolls effortlessly.

I thought the laser pointing was only introduced last year.

Re:Bad link (1)

R.Mo_Robert (737913) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778387)

BTW how is this news!!??

Well, if you didn't know, the wireless version was just released today; it's the "wired" one that was released a year ago. Or, if you're wondering why every product release from Apple becomes news on Slashdot, well, I don't know, but I, for one, find it interesting. :)

Re:Bad link (1)

GoodbyeBlueSky1 (176887) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778769)

Or, if you're wondering why every product release from Apple becomes news on Slashdot, well, I don't know, but I, for one, find it interesting. :)

1) Steve Jobs has naughty pictures of CmdrTaco in his desk
2) Groupthink
3) Slow news day. Every day.
4) /. editors have Apple stock, and this iPod craze won't last forever dammit
5) I mean really, the headline writes itself

Take your pick. Or not. I don't care.

Re:Bad link (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778425)

For a minute, I thought that Disney lost its battle to keep Mickey Mouse (or wally the rabbit, whatever) copyrighted.

This news dissapoints me.

So much for standards (1)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777806)

does not work with Windows yet (no words on Linux)
I'm disappointed. And it's expensive too.

Re:So much for standards (1)

the_wesman (106427) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777886)

So, does this mean it doesn't work with windows (meaning "my dell computer") or that it doesn't work with windows (meaning "my imac that has a windows dual-boot scenario using bootcamp") or both?

Re:So much for standards (0, Troll)

Bromskloss (750445) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778059)

So, does this mean it doesn't work with windows (meaning "my dell computer") or that it doesn't work with windows (meaning "my imac that has a windows dual-boot scenario using bootcamp") or both?
I don't know, I only read the blurb.

Re:So much for standards (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778000)

My Apple bluetooth keyboard isn't supposed to be compatible with Windows, yet here I am using it on my Macbook Pro dual-booted into Windows XP at the moment. If this mouse really can work with Windows (eventually), then I'm going to buy one asap. It's one less wire on my cluttered desk.

Re:So much for standards (1)

jascat (602034) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778081)

Guess what...there are other wireless mice available now that will work. My favorite, Logitech MX1000.

Re:So much for standards (1)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778889)

Logitech MX1000: $69.99
Vintage IBM Model M Keyboard: $49.99
Human Interface Bliss: Priceless

Re:So much for standards (1)

Goalie_Ca (584234) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778188)

I have several problems besides ergonomics that i have with the current mouse. Really short cord, only 1 button can be pressed at once, the ball sometimes doesn't work (push really really hard and roll to fix it), and the side buttons only act as 1 button. I would love it if i could make the left side button and right side button 2 of the 3 expose features and use AT THE SAME TIME the left click or right click to drag. My old cheap (but busted) mouse worked this way. I might just go back...

Re:So much for standards (4, Informative)

technos (73414) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778541)

Really short cord

Mouse is really designed to be plugged in to the USB hub of the keyboard next to it. You know, the Apple Pro with the 6 foot cable?

the ball sometimes doesn't work (push really really hard and roll to fix it)

Better way to fix it; Alcohol on the roller ball, copious amounts. Roll the ball on a clean cloth. You'll be surprised how much crap it has gathered off your fingers.

Best way. Slice the retaining ring off the bottom shell of your mouse. Pop the darn thing apart. Two press fit ribbons and a small phillips, then you can clean the scrollball better. It just snaps apart, and the magnetic rollers only go in one way.

the side buttons only act as 1 button.

Its only a four button mouse. Right, left, both, side button(s). You might be better off buying a 5 button mouse, the buttons on the Apple mouse are nearly impossible to get an accurate single side click on. It's more like a four finger squeeze. (Ring and thumb, middle and fore aloft)

I use a Mighty Mouse. Bought it launch day. Went in to see what a PPC Mini was running after 'partner' discount, as I wanted to replace an antique RS PPC machine. Love the damn thing to death. Second best mouse I have owned, and the first best is heavily colored by the fact it was my *first* one 25 years ago.

Re:So much for standards (2, Insightful)

osgeek (239988) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778774)

I used the Mighty Mouse for a few days while setting up my in-laws with a new iMac, and I have to admit that I *really* liked the freedom of the little scroll ball thing.

It's funny, however, the way that we finally got rid of all of the gunk-collecting balls on the bottom of the mouse by replacing them with a laser... now there's a gunk-collecting ball on the top!

I guess you could use a laser to track your index finger motions on TOP of the mouse, just like you do with the bottom. Manufacturers might be more concerned with the liability from the laser's hitting people in the eyes, though.

Re:So much for standards (1)

technos (73414) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778604)

does not work with Windows yet (no words on Linux)

I'm disappointed. And it's expensive too.


It's probably a standard BT HID device. I'm 90% sure it works out of the box on both Linux and Windows. The scroll ball may be a problem in horizontal mode in Linux/X, but that's not something that'll stop me from buying one when my current MightyMouse dies to a fit of Guinness and rage when I spill a beer on it and get pissed it doesn't like the liquid.

They just haven't done all the testing to make sure it's supported on all BT capable flavours of Windows, and they never test for Linux compatibility anyway.

Any other bluetooth mice? (3, Interesting)

also-rr (980579) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777808)

I would really like to get hold of a small bluetooth mouse as my laptop has an internal bluetooth setup. Rather than carrying around a USB dongle (which I would have to find in the bottom of a laptop bag and plug in) it would be all integrated.

Other than the Apple one, has anyone seen one that works with Linux? I did see a Microsoft made one *once* but never again.

Re:Any other bluetooth mice? (1)

Mistah Blue (519779) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777882)

I use the Logitech V270 with my Lenovo. Very nice. No dongle.

Re:Any other bluetooth mice? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778687)

I got one of those for free when a vendor accidentially listed it at $0. I'm not really a mouse user anyway, but I find it too small for my hands, so I hardly ever use it. From the few times that I actually turn it on, I'd say it is solidly built and the bluetooth range and reliability is more than sufficient.

Re:Any other bluetooth mice? (2, Informative)

Chris Pimlott (16212) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778768)

Same here. I've been very happy with it. The V270 is specifically aimed at laptop users that already have Bluetooth, so it doesn't come with a dongle. Just the mouse itself and a cute little zippered neoprene bag to protect it when travelling. Probably non-coincidentally, it was also the cheapest wireless I could find at Microcenter.

It's small enough to be easy to travel with, but still a good size for a normal person's hand; it's not one of these tiny micro mice you often see aimed at travellers. It's a no-frills mouse, for sure - two buttons and a scroll wheel, that's it--but what else do you really need, anyway.

The battery life is quite good, I've gotten over 2 months on a pair of regular old AA alkaline batteries, using it as my primary mouse for regular 40 hour weeks. There's a manual on-off switch that I usually use, but it also has an idle power saving mode, so it doesn't seem to hurt it much if I forgot to shut it off before I leave for the night.

It's an optical mouse, so it works while on a variety of non-mousepad surfaces, which is very handy when travelling. I do use mousepad at my desk, though; mostly for the wrist-rest. I haven't noticed any latency issues, I played through most of Half-Life 2 on it and never noticed any lag from it.

No real problems using in it Linux; occasionally, when I first boot up, it won't detect, but turning it on and off fixes that. I'd buy another one in a second.

Re:Any other bluetooth mice? (1)

Brian The Dog (879837) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777938)

My wife has a Powerbook with built in Bluetooth and we bought her a mini RadTech mouse that she loves. It is a little small for me, but fits her hand nicely. http://www.radtech.us/Products/BT500.aspx [radtech.us]

Re:Any other bluetooth mice? (2, Informative)

arkhan_jg (618674) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778054)

You could try the bluetake BT500 [neoseeker.com] mouse; it's really really small, ideal for a lappy, made by a thermaltake spinoff company. Nice crisp movement with the 800 dpi laser. You should be able to get one without a bluetooth adapter, which will make it a bit cheaper. Also, it does work on linux - see note 4 [bueche.ch] .

There's also the logitech MX900 if you fancy a more conventionally-sized mouse, and are a right-hander.

Re:Any other bluetooth mice? (2, Informative)

Reaperducer (871695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778821)

I'll second this. I picked one up in Japan two years ago after searching in vein in the United States for a two-button Bluetooth mouse with a scroll wheel. The thing is great. VERY small. Runs forever on two AAA batteries.

Interestingly, the blinking bluetooth light actually illuminates the scroll wheel. Sort of like functional eye candy.

Bluetooth HIDs with Linux -- jump in, water's fine (2, Informative)

ColonelPanic (138077) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778175)

I use the mouse from Microsoft's "Optical Desktop for Bluetooth" with Linux, although I had to write a new driver in order to use it at first. But it works just fine today with the stock BlueZ HID protocol code in the 2.6 kernel series, along with the Apple Bluetooth keyboard, which I prefer to the Microsoft keyboard since it looks better when all the keys have been rearranged into a sane (Dvorak) layout. See this old page [klausler.com] where I dramaticize what it took to get these Bluetooth gadgets working.

Re:Any other bluetooth mice? (1)

shimage (954282) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778489)

I think that most of the Logitech laptop mice have little compartments within the mice to store the dongles. The ones that use "fast RF" (2.4 GHz) have a range comparable to Bluetooth (~30 feet, as I recall). I have a V500, and it works fine for me, unless I'm using Windows, since I can't figure out how to "emulate 3-button mouse" in Windows (and many of the programs I boot into Windows for actually use the middle click for important things).

cordless mice (1, Insightful)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777823)

I've used cordless mice before, and the function was perfect compared to a corded mouse. Can't imagine what bluetooth would improve! However, the cordless mice I've used have been a little fat and heavy due to batteries. If this Apple mouse has to contain two AA batteries as well (can't check: the link is dead), so is this another fatmouse?

Re:cordless mice (1)

foo12 (585116) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778060)

A Bluetooth mouse makes a lot of sense when your laptop has Bluetooth built-in: No external receiver to lug around.

Too bad it doesn't work with the PC... (2, Interesting)

Total_Wimp (564548) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777825)

Bluetooth mice are not very comon in PC land. I've only seen one Logitech (not easy to find) and one Think Outside BT mouse that seemed suitable for notebook use, but you're unlikely to find either in Best Buy or CompUSA. Why hasn't this caught on?

TW

Re:Too bad it doesn't work with the PC... (1)

clontzman (325677) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777878)

I'm just guessing, but I don't think that mouse cords are really that big a bother for most people compared with the hassle of having to keep a wireless mouse powered and/or charged. The cord helps you keep it oriented and prevents it from falling off of the desk. If you're on a plane, it's generally easier to use a small travel mouse or just use the trackpad.

Re:Too bad it doesn't work with the PC... (2, Interesting)

Reaperducer (871695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778975)

I think it's more fear than reality about keeping the bluetooth mice powered. I think the batteries in my Bluetake mouse last at least six months. My wife has the original Apple wireless mouse, and I only have to replace her batteries every three or four months.

Re:Too bad it doesn't work with the PC... (1)

n2art2 (945661) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778202)

I would say it is the battery issue. One the one hand you have a cord, that you plug in to use. On the other, you ahve to make sure that you have charged batteries on hand.

Re:Too bad it doesn't work with the PC... (2, Informative)

dunkelfalke (91624) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778341)

there are lots of actually.

trust mi5300m [trustwebshop.com]
trust mi5400x [trustwebshop.com]
anycom btm100 [anycom.com]
kensington pilotmouse mini bluetooth [kensington.com]
level one blm3000 [level1.com]
logitech v270 [logitech.com]
sony vgpbms30 [sony-europe.com]
targus amb02us [targus.com]
targus amb03us [targus.com]

shall i go on?

I never understood the point of the wireless mouse (1, Interesting)

mashuren (886791) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777833)

Are people really using their mice that far away from the USB port on their computer? For me, the hassle of keeping fresh batteries in the thing would counterbalance whatever slight benefit I'd get from having a wireless mouse.

Of course, I use a trackball, anyway, so really, that benefit would be "none". But I use a mouse on my work computer, and I'm never encumbered by having a cord.

Re:I never understood the point of the wireless mo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778083)

Are people really using their mice that far away from the USB port on their computer?

Well, a couple of other positives about wireless:

- no wire clutter
- the mouse wire often "interferes" with it's movement, for my very cluttered desk, it's constantly getting snagged or bumps into stuff (e.g. speakers, books, etc) as I move the mouse.
- no wire clutter!!!

On a side note, two areas where wireless mice really come in handy due to distance is in conf. rooms and in HT setups. Both instances where you tend to be away from the computer, but have a display large enough to actually use it.

Re:I never understood the point of the wireless mo (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778127)

I've found that BT mouses are really nice for HTPC, especially when you need range of about 10 feet. The non-BT radio mouses have a range of maybe 3-4 feet. Also, the BT transceivers are USB so the range can be extended a bit using USB extension cables.

The big problem with BT mouses is that almost nobody makes a full-sized mouse that isn't a pain to hold. Most BT mouses are designed for notebooks so they have a small body which is a pain to use for long durations. The designers for the larger ones must have thought they needed to differentiate their product from the radio ones so they made them fancy. For example, the MS BT mouse doesn't fit a hand because of its weird shape and has too many buttons. The macally one is probably the sanest, but that one's been coming 'RSN' for almost a year. And maybe this has changed, but I don't think the other vendors sell their BT mouse separately from expensive packages that also have a fancy keyboard.

I'd be surprised if the Apple one really doesn't work at all with Windows. If it has the basic functionality of a mouse, that'd be enough, really.

Re:I never understood the point of the wireless mo (1)

Eideewt (603267) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778177)

I like wireless mice because cords tend to drag mice around on their own. Logitech's cordless mice have charging cradles and built-in batteries, so making sure they have power is simple. They last days on a charge with heavy use, and last months when not in use. I wouldn't mess around with a mouse that required me to manually fumble with batteries though.

Re:I never understood the point of the wireless mo (1)

Jaeph (710098) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778566)

For me a wireless mouse would be usefull when I use my laptop in an easy chair, or in bed, or basically somewhere that's not setup neatly like a desk. The wires get in the way of moving around, and sometimes I have to position the mouse a bit farther away than usual.

It's a minor convience, but if I could find a good bluetooth mouse I would use it (the one I bought had a very jerky motion with major lag between moving my hand and the pointer moving).

-Jeff

Re:I never understood the point of the wireless mo (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778568)

Are people really using their mice that far away from the USB port on their computer?

PC game + TV output + keyboard and mouse + Bluetooth = not having to worry about tripping over cables.

Actually, I do need the extended range. (3, Interesting)

mmell (832646) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778624)

My Linux box has an ATI TVWonder Pro card in it - I leave the desktop resolution at 800x600 and do all my computing from my couch. Granted, it took me a while to get used to the lack of screen real estate, but once I did it was great! Instead of having to shell out for a remote control for my TV card, I just use a wireless KB/Mouse combo (Microsoft's bottom-end -1000 series desktop - works great in Linux, okay in Windows).

Linky (1)

Wylfing (144940) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777843)

Sheesh, how about a working link?

You can go straight to the Apple home page [apple.com] and see it.

can i zap.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15777869)

can i zap my co-workers with this laser???? if not, my optical mouse is works fine for me....

Why do they even need batteries in the thing? (1, Interesting)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777902)

Is bluetooth such an energy hog that it needs two AA batteries to send moose X,Y coords and button clicks for a distance of a few feet?

Why not something similar to one of those shake-and-glow flashlights? A tiny battery charge from some kinetic motion device (like in the flashlights) or a tiny roller that is only there as a sort of generator?

Welcome to Moose Port (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778155)

Of all things, to make a typo about MOOSE clicks. so sorry.

Re:Why do they even need batteries in the thing? (1)

Photar (5491) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778240)

Actually it only needs one battery at a time.

Re:Why do they even need batteries in the thing? (1)

Ginnungagap42 (817075) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778347)

A møøse once bit my sister...

Do you? (2, Funny)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778391)

Do you know of any good deals on eBay? I need to get a bluenose moose for my Dull lapdog copmuter.

Re:Do you? (1)

Ginnungagap42 (817075) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778466)

C | N > K.

You win!

Re:Why do they even need batteries in the thing? (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778509)

Shake-and-glow wouldn't work for me unless I shook it every so often, I think that might look dorky, regardless of mouse brand. I have my mouse set at a very high speed so I don't move it much. A tiny generator on the bottom of a mouse might jam up just like the Mighty Mouse's scroll ball does on occasion.

Re:Why do they even need batteries in the thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778633)

It isn't the bluetooth, or even the coordinates and button clicks that take the power. It's running the RISC processor and the LED for the optics that take the power. Your typical optical mouse has more processing power (in a rather specialized way) than some early desktops.

Re:Why do they even need batteries in the thing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778956)

Or instead of shaking it every so often, how about having a magnetic mouse mat underneath the mouse and a coil of wire inside the mouse? Let electromagnetic induction do the rest...

a real link (2, Informative)

KatTran (122906) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777917)

People that link to stateful pages really annoy me.

http://www.apple.com/mightymouse/ [apple.com]

"Squeeze to Expose" ??? (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777963)

I see it has "Squeeze to Expose"? What exactly does this mean? Does this mean you have to be extra careful holding the mouse, because if you hold it just a little too tight, it will go into some other mode? I've tried similar PC mice and they were impossible to use because you no longer had the freedom to just hold the mouse.

Re:"Squeeze to Expose" ??? (1)

soleblaze (628864) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778020)

It's basically a button on the side that needs to be pushed in, but to properly do it you squeeze the mouse right there. It's only on one part on the bottom (you can see it in the pictures). You don't actually have to squeeze the area on both sides, just one side will do. It's harder to use purposly than to accadentally trigger it.

If these things become common.... (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778097)

If these things become common, I'll just have to learn to quickly dig into settings to turn the feature, just as I already do for touchpads that have the "feature" that misinterprets accidentally bumping your finger on the scroll area as a click or drag.

Re:"Squeeze to Expose" ??? (3, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778174)

I think it means you need your accent mark, Exposé since "squeeze to expose" sounds like a maneuver employed by child molesters....

Re:"Squeeze to Expose" ??? (1)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778370)

Does this mean you have to be extra careful holding the mouse, because if you hold it just a little too tight, it will go into some other mode?

Yep, indeed you do. I'm a pretty light touch on the mouse, but I kept triggering it all the time. I undefined that 'button' and it was fine. A month later I ditched the Mighty Mouse (for other reasons), I think it's a crappy mouse (too small, painful to use for long periods of time due to the shape, can't press left AND right button at the same time..)

Re:"Squeeze to Expose" ??? (1)

Ginnungagap42 (817075) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778453)

Exposé [apple.com] is a Window/desktop manager that lets you quickly see all your windows, or all the windows for a given application, or the desktop. The (corded) Mighty Mouse has two buttons on either side that are linked to this feature in OS X (although all buttons are configurable). You have to squeeze the living snot out of them to get Exposé to come up. I have never brought Exposé up accidentally through the Mighty Mouse. Bringing Dashboard up by accidentally clicking with the wheel, OTOH, happens all the time.

kinetic model? (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 7 years ago | (#15777995)

I'll be happy when a kinetic model(tm) comes out, which is like a kinetic/automatic wristwatch and requires no batteries, provided you're moving the mouse, it can radio back the position.

One or two batteries??? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778018)

So, what's the deal with "you can use one or two AA batteries"? I mean, why would I use two if I only need one? What does adding the second battery get me? Greater distance? How far from my laptop do you think I can get and still be able to read the screen?

Re:One or two batteries??? (1)

MoneyT (548795) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778191)

More time between replacements. Basicaly the mouse can operate for x ammount of time on one battery and 2x time on two. So if your batteries die and you can only find one replacement in your bag, that's good enough. Actualy, a lot of devices can do this which is why (even though you shouldn't) you can only replace one or two batties in an electronic device and still have it function.

Are wireless mice really so much better? (0, Redundant)

Orlando (12257) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778111)

Honestly, how much hassle is a mouse cable really? I can't say it's ever bothered me.

When people say it doesn't work with Windows... (2, Interesting)

nxtw (866177) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778112)

have they actually tried it? I was unable to get my Apple Bluetooth keyboard working with the Widcomm Bluetooth drivers, but it works with the builtin Microsoft drivers, it works fine. Of course, Apple does not advertise the fact that it's a standard Bluetooth keyboard (minus the volume and eject key, which I have been unable to do anything with. On a USB Apple keyboard, the volume keys will work.)

Wow, Apple is such an innovator (1)

epp_b (944299) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778196)

It features a new laser based tracking system...
Well, thanks so much, Apple, for bringing us this "new" technology! [google.com]

Re:Wow, Apple is such an innovator (1)

jdgeorge (18767) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778353)

Well, thanks so much, Apple, for bringing us this "new" technology!

It's not that it hasn't been done before. It's that it hasn't been marketed by the best smoke and mirrors artist in the industry before.

Re:Wow, Apple is such an innovator (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778748)

Those are not bluetooth mice.

cheaper and better alternative (1)

Fedarkyn (892041) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778321)

a4tech is the brand for this kind of devices, take a look in the wireless, no battery mouse at http://www.a4tech.com/en/product1.asp?CID=90&SCID= 92 [a4tech.com]

petty cheap too. and warks in linux too.

A warning: It's not a good mouse (4, Interesting)

Peter Cooper (660482) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778439)

I'm a big Apple fan and tend to buy most of their stuff. I bought the Mighty Mouse against my better judgement (simply because it was the cool thing to buy and my Mac friends kept saying it was great) and.. I forced myself to use it for a few months. I kinda got used to it, but eventually I caved in and switched back to my Microsoft Mouse.. Why?

* Too small and painful. I have pretty small hands, but the MM is still too short. My hand was falling off the back and causing me to adopt an awkward position.

* You can't press left and right buttons at the same time! Absolutely useless for gaming, although admittedly you don't need to do this anywhere else (that I'm aware of).

* Squeeze click is too sensitive. I'm a light touch but I kept triggering it. I ended up removing the functionality of that 'button' to stop it annoying me.

* Cable is ridiculously short. Fine with a Mac keyboard, but no good without an extension cable in most other configurations.

On the plus side?

* Mouse wheel. The middle wheel is very cool. It's great to be able to scroll in full 2D. And, um.. that's it.

Oh, it's also expensive, but that's not a reason why I'd avoid it. I'll pay for something good, but it's simply not.

One OR two batteries? (1)

obi (118631) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778537)

Interesting how they mention one or two batteries are required... So unless I'm misinterpreting, you can put two batteries in for longer charge, or one for less weight?

Hope they addresed battery life (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778647)

I switched from a cordless Apple mouse (single button) when the original Mighty Mouse came out.

The single button cordless went through batteries like you wouldn't believe... and I didn't really miss being cordless.

I really like the MM (corded). It's a good mouse, prefer it to the MS mouse I have on my Linux box.

The cord is the lesser of its problems (1)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778736)

I haven't actually used a Mighty Mouse, but it seems to have the same shape of the Pro Mouse. These are very uncomfortable and non-ergonomic, unlike the good old ADB II mouse. When Apple dropped the beige, for some reason they also had a major drop on the quality of their mouses - and, worst of all, their keyboards.

So this is how I get my Stories accepted (1)

Lars T. (470328) | more than 7 years ago | (#15778790)

By accidently posting AC.

Logitech Bluetooth Mouse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15778867)

I own a Logitech mx5000 desktop which is bluetooth. The mouse is rechargeable while the keyboard runs on 4 AA's which I have replaceD once in 6 months. I really didn't realize how awesome it would be to have wireless. If I;m showing someone how to do something, no more need to lean over them uncomfortably, they can just hand me the mouse and keyboard.

Oh and the keyboard works from 2 rooms away in my house and has media keys sos I can control my media player from pretty much anywhere in the house.

MightyMouse today MightyTouch tomorrow... (1)

waTR (885837) | more than 7 years ago | (#15779035)

I am more interested in seeing how Apple will use the Multi-point touch screen technology it has patented (or applied for). I see Apple once again revolutionizing the world of GUI as they did in the 80s with the advent of the mouse. I feel that this will probably start with their Ipods perhaps becoming more like TabletPC/cell-phone/ebook/musicPlayer.
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