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Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (3, Interesting)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783651)

It's interesting that this is a straight to DVD production. I'm not a huge fan of Babylon 5 but I am very interested to see what distribution method they seek.

The recent news is Warner Bros. is putting Babylon 5 on iTunes [pocket-lint.co.uk]. That's right, you'll be able to purchase episodes of the sci-fi show on iTunes. Could they promote this service by releasing The Lost Tales a few weeks early on iTunes? I think they could probably garner quite a bit of money from Apple if they were willing to do that.

After all, what better fanbase for Apple to secure than the Babylon 5 tech/trek group? Old nerds with lots of money and few vices. I know some people at work that would buy a video iPod just to have copies of Babylon 5 on their person at all times.

This could probably be a television show that successfully bypasses all traditional forms of distribution which would set huge precedence for weaning the public from the glass teat.

Re:Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (1)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783679)

Great ideas, but this will likely follow the traditional straight-to-DVD route. There is such a devoted fan base that this prequel (?) will sell.

Re:Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (1)

ultrabot (200914) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783692)

After all, what better fanbase for Apple to secure than the Babylon 5 tech/trek group? Old nerds with lots of money and few vices.

Regarding the "few vices", apparently Star Trek is exceptionally popular among pedophiles for some mystic reason.

B5, then again... here the episodes actually aired on saturday nights, of all possible times.

Re:Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15783875)

Regarding the "few vices", apparently Star Trek is exceptionally popular among pedophiles for some mystic reason.

No great surprise there... Just off the top of my head, the original series had:

Miri [wikipedia.org]

And the Children Shall Lead [wikipedia.org]

What Are Little Girls Made of? [wikipedia.org]

Plenty of other examples exist in the other series. For example, the character Kes [wikipedia.org] in Star Trek: Voyager was only nine years old!

Re:Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15784336)

My god women were beautiful in the 60s. They were natural beauties, and not stick-thin and orangey fake-tanney like today. Sherry Jackson? Wow.

Re:Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (2, Funny)

El Torico (732160) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783719)

I know some people at work that would buy a video iPod just to have copies of Babylon 5 on their person at all times.

Wow, and I thought that my coworkers and I were nerds.

...weaning the public from the glass teat.

Yes, an "on-demand" portable plastic teat is much more convenient.

Re:Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (1)

OECD (639690) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783919)

After all, what better fanbase for Apple to secure than the Babylon 5 tech/trek group?

Starship Exeter is already on iTunes, so they probably have the trekkers already. Still, it'd be a cool move.

Re:Babylon 5: The Lost Tales (1)

NSIM (953498) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784226)

>Old nerds with lots of money and few vices Hey, I resent that, I have quite a lot of vices!

Woot! (0, Redundant)

LintMan (515149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783661)

B5 has my vote for best SF series.

Re:Woot! (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783695)

With apologies to Star Trek fans everywhere, I agree.

Re:Woot! (2, Insightful)

Mayhem178 (920970) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783818)

With apologies to both of you, I'm gonna have to give my vote to Firefly, even if it has no hope of ever seeing the kind of resurrection that B5 is getting.

Re:Woot! (0, Flamebait)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783891)

Firefly got a movie.

It failed.

Get over it.

Re:Woot! (1)

sg7jimr (614458) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784132)

Babylon 5 was our last best hope for peace.

It failed.

But in the year of the Shadow War, it became something greater: our last, best hope - for victory.

Maybe there's hope for Firefly.

Re:Woot! (1)

Jeff DeMaagd (2015) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783851)

With apologies to Star Trek fans everywhere, I agree.

B5 did have very good story telling, though I wish the FX, posting and acting was better. Most of the CG was rendered in 60fps interlaced rather than 24fps progressive telecined, so it looks downright awful on a progressive display or computer, deinterlacers don't help either. In "Comes The Inquisitor" the Captain's audio says "East" when his mouth is saying "West", and that was so obvious to me on first pass. The Star Trek series had much easier to watch visuals.

Personally, I think Firefly had so much more potential, too bad it got shot down. I think the quality of what was made beats the first season of any other Sci-fi TV show I've seen.

I disagree (1)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783911)

With apologies to Star Trek fans everywhere, I agree.

Your opinion is highly illogical. ;) [strekonline.com]

Re:I disagree (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784002)

Your opinion is highly illogical. ;)

Dammit Spock, don't quote logic to me... I may be a good ole country doctor, but I know what I like...

Re:I disagree (2, Funny)

digitaldc (879047) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784080)

Dammit Spock, don't quote logic to me... I may be a good ole country doctor, but I know what I like...

Quite simply Doctor, I examined the comparison from all angles, and it was plainly pointless.
Logic informed me that under the circumstances, the only logical conclusion for your opinion would have to be one of confusion.
Logical decision, logically arrived at.

Re:Woot! (4, Informative)

v1 (525388) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783812)

It has the distinction of being possibly the best planned series of any kind in history. From what I've read, they had the entire 5 year story arc fully plotted out before they started shooting the first episode of season 1. Sure they had to wing it on a few things where there were unforseen circumstances, but for the most part it's a stunning example of what you can do when you actually planned the full 5 seasons, and managed to actually produce all five of them before someone dropped the axe and made you rush your plot to close in like, season 3 or 4.

I have the entire box set of all seasons, and I still enjoy watching it from the start. Time and time again I spot something, some subtle hint, puzzling comment, even a look from a character in reaction to something seemingly harmless, only to realize "oh .... THAT'S why he did that!!", remembering that would tie in maybe an entire season or two later as a very important plot arc. Good lord, how long did they push that "there is a hole in your mind!" before letting us in on it?

I rather doubt these new minis will be very good, as most of the time such similar minis are almost worthless, but I'll probably still watch them, if nothing else than to revisit the past. I'm sure they willl continue to backfill missing or mysterious plot elements from the original series with these new additions, and that alone should be worth the watch.

Re:Woot! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15784199)

But... They *did* rush the plot to closing in Season 4, because their primary network dropped them. That's why Season 5 is so disjointed and introduces random new parts of the story.

Re:Woot! (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784212)

From what I've read, they had the entire 5 year story arc fully plotted out before they started shooting the first episode of season 1.

4. Season 5 was something of a surprise.

Unfortunately, it shows.

Re:Woot! (1)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784252)

it's a stunning example of what you can do when you actually planned the full 5 seasons, and managed to actually produce all five of them before someone dropped the axe and made you rush your plot to close in like, season 3 or 4.
But I thought that was what happened. Didn't JMS write the story for six seasons but was dicked around by the movie studios and had to shorten it to five? I remember at one point it wasn't clear if even the last season would be made.

Re:Woot! (1)

CaptMonkeyDLuffy (623905) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784302)

See the comment a few above... Originally it was planned for four. There were issues with the network, possibility of no season 5 when season 4 was going into production. They compressed things to try and wrap up in season 4. However, things worked out so there would be a season 5. So now, season 5 was 'off schedule' since parts of it were pulled into season 4, meaning there was a need for some padding and reworking and whatnot.

Re:Woot! (1)

Max von H. (19283) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784303)

From what I've read, they had the entire 5 year story arc fully plotted out before they started shooting the first episode of season 1.

Nope, they only had the first season written, since back then they had no idea whether the series would be successful enough to justify funding for the rest. Then on, they only wrote storylines for the oncoming season. It's only when they had finished shooting the fourth season that they got the surprise (and late) approval for a fifth season, which explains it pretty much stands apart from the rest (most of the major arcs ended in the 4th season).

You have to remember that B5 was the first TV series to use massive CGI and its production costs were giganormous for the time!

I've just re-watched the whole series (+ movies) over a 6-weeks span... Great Maker, it felt good seeing Londo and G'Kar again!

Now if only Farscape could get its fifth season too, that'd make my day! Good thing there's BSG to fill the gap.

Re:Woot! Kosh - Entil'Zha (1)

choconutdancer (576542) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784341)

> A case in point, right in the Pilot episode, when Kosh met Captain Sinclair for the first time he addressed him as Entil'Zha. I don't think that name or it's significance appeared again until around season 3. Watching the pilot you just ignored it. You figure it's just how these aliens greet people. When I later went back to rewatch the entire series from the beginning I was completely blown away when I heard Kosh say that because by then I knew the significance of it. Wow, talk about planning in advance.

Re:Woot! (0, Flamebait)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783957)

B5 has my vote for best SF series.

I think there is a typo here. You accidentally typed "B5" instead of "BG".

-Eric

The "best" sci-fi series (0, Troll)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783994)

The "best" sci-fi series would probably be one that has more mass appeal. More like, say, Red Dwarf or X-Files. Or Knight Rider (that was SF).

Alas, Babylon (4, Insightful)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783665)

It won't be the same without G'Kar, one of my two favorite characters.

Re:Alas, Babylon (1)

lord_dragonsfyre (89589) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783694)

Yea, I'll miss G'Kar, but at least JMS has said that he just won't tell any stories with him; if they tried to do one with someone other then Katsulas, I would be deeply unthrilled.

Re:Alas, Babylon (5, Informative)

Apocalypse111 (597674) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783721)

You are correct, it would not be the same without Andreas Katsulas, who died of lung cancer on Feb. 13 of this year. Similarly, the death of Richard Biggs, who played Dr. Franklin, should not go unmourned. He died of an aortic tear back in 2004.

Re:Alas, Babylon (4, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783829)

It's the mark of the impact of a series when you mourn the passing of actors on them as if they were your family. Babylon 5 was so well constructed and intricate that the characters had real depth, and you felt like you knew them, and by way of that, the actors. I'm hoping these stories work; I know JMS won't dilute the franchise the wat Star Trek has been reduced to pitiful ruins.

Re:Alas, Babylon (1)

Apocalypse111 (597674) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784144)

On the subject of JMS and Star Trek, didn't he say at some point that he'd be interested in doing a Star Trek TV series recently?

Re:Alas, Babylon (5, Informative)

Ark (7744) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783880)

Not that he was a major character, but Tim Choate also passed away a few years ago. Luckily he's survived by his brothers Zathras, Zathras, Zathras, and Zathras.

Re:Alas, Babylon (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15783727)

Yeah, I liked that episode where G'Kar was trapped in the elevator with that weird-haired guy. Stories like that show the genius of Babylon 5.

The typical, ordinary TV shows churned out by the networks rely on one tired cliche after the next to carry the tired plot along. In stark contrast, Babylon 5 pioneered daring and creative storytelling techniques, such as trapping two characters who hate each other in an elevator.

Re:Alas, Babylon (1)

rgravina (520410) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783955)

I liked that episode where G'Kar was trapped in the elevator with that weird-haired guy

That would be Ambassador Mollari. And yes, the quarrels between those two were always very very well done. Entertaining and funny without being over the top. A bit like when you watch two old friends having a go at one another.

I still remember a funny Mollari quote that'd I'd like to use one day (hopefully the people with me will not know of it!). Two friends of yours meeting for the first time:

Friend A: "[You] has told me all about you!"
Friend B: "Oh, I hope he/she didn't tell you anything bad"
You to Friend B: "Oh never mind, [Friend B], I only told him/her the good things. It was a very short conversation."

Gold!

Re:Alas, Babylon (3, Insightful)

dargon (105684) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784275)

My favorite is still the Vir quote;

I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I want to look up into your lifeless eyes and wave like this.
*waves* Can you and your associates arrange that for me, Mr. Morden?

who can tell with all that makeup (1)

peter303 (12292) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783767)

G'KAr had so much makeup on for his character, that you could probably easily replace him and not really tell.

Re:who can tell with all that makeup (1)

14CharUsername (972311) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783909)

I recognised the guy on star trek when he played a romulan (took me a while to figure out who it was, though). Completely different makeup and character, but you can still see the actor underneath. It's like getting someone else to voice a cartoon character. You know the difference.

Re:who can tell with all that makeup (1)

CaptnMArk (9003) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783931)

They'd have to do a really good job, because after first seeing G'Kar he seemed
instantly familiar to me (I soon realized that he was a Romulan captain from ST:TNG).
Maybe the voice helped.

Re:who can tell with all that makeup (2, Insightful)

CaptainAvatar (113689) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784011)

Actually, it's a testament to Andreas Katsulas' acting ability that this isn't true. All that latex and yet he still stole every scene he was in.

Re:who can tell with all that makeup (2, Informative)

Marillion (33728) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784286)

I really hope that your comment is a troll. Andreas Katsulas is a Shakespearian actor. Few actors, past and present, are able to capitalise on the grandeur of that training as dramatically as he did. JMS should allow G'Kar to die, or more specifically, rest in the noble peace that stoic noble heroes deserve.

What JMS should do (4, Interesting)

Conspiracy_Of_Doves (236787) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783773)

Strazinski could still do a G'Kar story, showing the effects of G'Kar's travels around the galaxy. G'Kar himself wouldn't actually have to appear.

Re:Alas, Babylon (1)

Leowyatt (772539) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783799)

I agree, Doctor Franklin won't be in it either :( I think it's probably best left as it was

Re:Alas, Babylon (1)

denebian devil (944045) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784063)

I can't agree with you more. He was invaluable to the show, and his dynamic with Peter Jurasik was outrageously wonderful/sad/funny/heartfelt/perfect/fill-in-your -praise-here.

Exciting (1)

embracethenerdwithin (989333) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783729)

I'm definately excited to hear this news! I recently dusted off some of my old B5 tapes and the show still rocks. I used to love it when I was about 17 and it's still awesome today. I'd watch it every week wth some friends.

I never realized how popular it was 500 mil in DvD sales, thats pretty darn good.

Re:Exciting (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15784285)

But not one penny (cent) of that went to JMS.

Not quite 20 minutes. (3, Interesting)

Trestran (715384) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783758)

It won't be 20 minutes, acording to B5 creator JMS. From a usenet post [google.com] by him:
No, it's closer to one-half-hour per story, so figure about 75-90 minutes per DVD, plus additional material adding up to a two-hour DVD. jms
I for one am looking forward to this tremendously. I know that all the previous B5 spin-offs have been rather anti-climatic, abortive affairs (although I haven't seen nearly all of it), but the creative freedom he is getting seems rather amazing. As opposed to, say, Crusade, that according to JMS suffered from a death by studio interference. And having seen some of the memos that were leaked, I see no reason to doubt him.

Re:Not quite 20 minutes. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15783801)

B5 was great but everything else has sucked. I can't see this being any better. I own all 5 series on DVD and will watch them again before I buy another rubbish spin-off. JMS should move on and do something else.

Cashing in (4, Interesting)

alienmole (15522) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783760)

I liked the Babylon 5 series just fine, but it had an ambitious overarching plot which did advance over time, albeit slowly and vaguely, that made it a bit more interesting than an ordinary space opera. Shows about the past of the characters sounds mainly like a way to milk the cash cow represented by the most diehard fanboys and anyone who doesn't have any, whaddayacallem, standards. It doesn't require much creative effort in terms of plot, it's just exploiting the franchise.

I somewhat agree... (1)

_PimpDaddy7_ (415866) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784031)

I watched an episode of B5 once and I was like this show sucks! But then a friend told me, no no no, you need to watch it from the beginning. Luckily, being in the tech field, a fellow co-worker had all episodes on VHS tapes and gladly let me borrow them to convert me to the cult, er, I mean let me enjoy the show.

I spent a few weeks going through all the episodes of the series. I believe at the time, we were at the start of season 4.

I ended up LOVING B5, and it became one my favorite shows of all time! Everything about the show was great and even though things were iffy in the last 2 seasons, the show was great.

Would I, as a big fan of B5, want to see these shwos about the past of the characters? MAYBE. I am more interested about the future, that's just the way I am. Others way want to know more about the past of the characters, but I agree with the parent, I'm not so sure many people will want this.

"Our Favorite Characters" - Your pics? (3, Interesting)

Apocalypse111 (597674) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783771)

I'm betting that the series will be about Sheridan's actions during the Earth-Minbari war. That would provide sufficient eye-candy and war drama for a plot, while at the same time confining the characters to those of primarily human or Minbari origin, keeping G'Kar out of the picture (RIP Mr. Katsulas). Also, during this time frame, Stephen Franklin was galavanting around the galaxy learning about xenobiology, so this war setting would also keep his character out of the picture (RIP. Mr. Biggs).

Re:"Our Favorite Characters" - Your pics? (1)

Apocalypse111 (597674) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783830)

Please disregard the previous message - I just reread the title and picked up the "each" that I missed. Each episode will be about the past of a character. Not the series as a whole. That'll learn me to read more carefully before I post...

Re:"Our Favorite Characters" - Your pics? (1)

Procrastin8er (791570) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784168)

I would be interested in seeing how the Vorlons and Shadows influenced the "younger" races without them being aware.

Re:"Our Favorite Characters" - Your pics? (1)

peragrin (659227) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784350)

well part of the Vorlon influence is shown talked about.

Not only did the Vorlon use their telepathic thought push. when you see a vorlon you see only what of them you can interpret. hence why humans see angels, Mimbari see valen, the centari see nothing.

Also the Vorlons had the ability to hide from scanner's(at least early style earth force ones) As shortly AFTER first contact with the mimbari Human telepaths began to be born.

Wow. I wonder... (0, Flamebait)

schon (31600) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783805)

I wonder if will be the same cast, or if they were replaced with people who can act.

If it's the same cast, the cynic in me thinks that maybe that was why it took so long for this to come out - it gave them time to go to acting school.

Seriously, there was only one person on the entire show who could act (the security guy.) Everyone else was so wooden it looked like they were gonna get attacked by termites at any moment.

Watching scifi for the acting... (3, Funny)

alienmole (15522) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783825)

...is like reading Playboy for the articles.

Re:Watching scifi for the acting... (1)

Dr_LHA (30754) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784187)

How very true, although it should be pointed out that the excellent Battlestar Galactic (2003) bucks this trend very nicely, proving that Sci-Fi doesn't always have to have that failing.

Re:Watching scifi for the acting... (1)

Gulthek (12570) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784346)

Wow. You could be going two ways with that commment.

Insightful comment on the hidden quality of scifi acting?

Banal association of the assumption of bad scifi acting and poorly written playboy articles?

Re:Wow. I wonder... (1)

LordEvan (830939) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784086)

Wow. You must not have seen the same episodes that I was watching...so you're saying that Andreas Katsulas, Mira Furlan and Peter Jurasik couldn't act. Astounding...*shakes head*

one of the best shows ever (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15783814)

This series rocked, in its day. I'm not willing to say it was the best thing on TV ever, but i think it makes the top 5. Actions taken by characters had consequences, and fundamentally changed their relationships with other characters - not a static universe where a new episode happened every week but nothing fundamentally changed. It was a realistic world, where characters needed money to live, and there was greed, and corruption, and crime, and an underworld. There were complex characters - even the bad guys were not "one dimensional" - they had their own agendas and loyalties and were not presented as some simplistic "pure evil". Semi-decent newtonian mechanics for spaceships.

It was good stuff. And although the special effects look dated now, at the time, it was amazing to see battles with 100 separate ships on TV - that kinda thing had been reserved for the movies up until then.

Good explanation (1)

Bill, Shooter of Bul (629286) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784223)

I never liked Babylon 5. Your explanation helps me to understnad why some people really like the show. It sounds like a good show based upon your description, and from all of the episodes I've seen I'd have to say you are correct. However, I still don't enjoy it at all. Can't really articulate why as well as the parent explained why it ws a good show. I guess as some troll mentioned the acting wasn't the greatest, but acting is rarely good in scifi and I still like many other shows with worse acting. Maybe, it was too complex for me. Perhaps, it was too much like a soap opera.

It had simular mood music. SciFi should have death metal -- ALL THE TIME. That would rock.

Jugga Jigga Wugga
Defcon
Jugga Jigga Wugga
Death star
Jugga Jigga Wugga
Dilithium Crystal
Jugga Jigga Wugga
Death Ray
Jugga Jigga Wugga
Dimensional Time Warp
Jugga Jigga Wugga
Deflector shields
And so on. With appologies and props to Strong Bad [homestarrunner.com].

US only :/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15783815)

It appears to be yet another TV show thats restricted to the US store only. Unavailable in the UK store

Re:US only :/ (0, Offtopic)

baker_tony (621742) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783947)

That's why God invented bittorrent!

Re:US only :/ (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15783995)

That's why God invented bittorrent!


Yeah, as if DVDs couldn't be played in other parts of t... oh wait. You're right.

Re:US only :/ (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784125)

B5 video tapes are sold in my local Eurosaver store for 2 euros each. That should be sufficient to figure what their commercial worth is these days.

I can still dream, can't I? (0, Offtopic)

penguin_dance (536599) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783867)

Not a real fan of Babylon 5, but give rise to hope that someday, Firefly will get similar treatment. (Why SciFi didn't pick up that series after FOX dumped it, I'll never know.)

Yeah, I know, but I can still dream, can't I?

Re:I can still dream, can't I? (1)

ringbarer (545020) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783943)

As stated above. Firefly got a movie - it tanked at the box office, and Whedon doesn't want to have anything more to do with that hackneyed concept.

Please, get over it, burn your brown coat, and accept that "Little House On The Prairie" homilies don't work in a Science Fiction environment.

Re:I can still dream, can't I? (1)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783974)

Not a real fan of Babylon 5, but give rise to hope that someday, Firefly will get similar treatment. (Why SciFi didn't pick up that series after FOX dumped it, I'll never know.)

Best guesses why SciFi didn't want Firefly:
1) Production costs were too high.
2) Production costs weren't unreasonable for a show of this type, but SciFi didn't have the money for another series with this kind of costs. Please keep in mind that Battlestar Gallactica has little in the way of "eye candy", which really helps to keep its costs down.
3) Realization that despite the fact that Firefly fans were truly devoted to the show, there just weren't enough of them. The box office returns on the movie (I don't even remember the name of it) should have been proof of this.

Given what SciFi did to Sliders, which at one time was a good show, I wouldn't bet on Firefly remaining as good as it supposedly was when Fox ran it. Everyone seems to forget that Sliders just got worse and worse on SciFi. The series final was so bad that I don't care if there is ever another episode. I won't watch it. I won't even watch Sliders in reruns or rent the DVDs, this how pissed off I still am at how the series finale went down. SciFi could have just as easily have destroyed Firefly if they had bought it.

Re:I can still dream, can't I? (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784292)

AIUI, Fox wouldn't let it go. DVD sales may be a better indicator of the number and quality of devotion of the fans.

As for #3, I think that may also have been in part thanks to sites like savewash.com (no link, since it's been replaced by domain squatters) that leaked info from sneak peeks and previews. Gods know, I wish I'd seen the site before the movie. (Rant about that part of the movie omitted.)

If it doesn't include Claudia Christian... (4, Funny)

csoto (220540) | more than 7 years ago | (#15783930)

as a "former stripper" then I'm not interested.

I just realized that I wasted a good bit of 1994+ on that show :)

B5 v BG (2, Insightful)

foo fighter (151863) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784003)

I'm sorry, but I can't watch Babylon 5 anymore.

Battlestar Galactica has raised the bar, for me, personally, so high that most other sci-fi fare looks and sounds like scrapings from the bottom of a barrel. I realize and understand that the two shows have completely different themes, styles, etc., but the differences in production values and acting quality are especially marked.

The same goes for Stargate (any version), Firefly, and Enterprise or even the new Dr. Who.

I'm not judging anyone who still likes those shows or saying I don't like them anymore. BG has just completely changed my perception of what sci-fi can and should be.

Re:B5 v BG (1)

jvkjvk (102057) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784159)

While almost never having seen "BG", you really can't compare production values for the two series. The pure tech advancement in tv production alone skews towards whichever came out later... in this case BG.

While I can't comment on the acting quality of BG, after season 1, B5 had some great acting and character development. Your comment did make me want to catch a few shows of BG now, however... :)

Re:B5 v BG (4, Insightful)

Spad (470073) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784164)

I think I must be the only person left on this planet who thinks that BSG is massively overrated. That's not to say it's not good, but I just really can't see why everyone sees it as some kind of Sci-fi messiah.

Re:B5 v BG (3, Insightful)

JasonKiddy (850629) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784171)

I tend to agree with you... (some) sci-fi has raised the bar. But don't go overboard on the Battlestar Galactica thing... the story and especially the script is complete arse. Acting good... production values seem excellent... cgi excellent (although far too much use of camera shake) lol

Re:B5 v BG (1)

geminidomino (614729) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784338)

No offence, but I hope no one takes your suggestions. I've tried watching the new BG, despite the mind-numbing pain the pilot/miniseries caused me. There's just no hook for me. Acting quality and production values might be through the roof, but as far as I'm concerned, it doesn't have what made B5 and Firefly great: the characters.

They're changed enough that they don't resemble the originals in their campy cliche roles, which is not neccesarily a bad thing, but there's nothing there to make me actually care about them either.

On the whole, I've found it very much a disappointment.

I can only say one thing... (1)

Kjella (173770) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784034)

...is there anything like a good prequel?

You have Star Wars, I think they were considering Star Trek: Junior Hi... eh, Starfleet Academy. As if Enterprise wasn't bad enough where they jumped way past the TOS technology in half a season. In fact there already was a B5 spin-off TV series (Crusade) that had a lot more potential.

Well crap (1)

Orclover (228413) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784064)

Eventually a show has to end, and Bab5 ended very well with only a few after series spin-off-death-throes. Trying to bring back to life Frankenstien is not always a good idea. Bab5 was great, it ended great, its time to let it go. If you want to Rez something go talk to the browncoats.

All I can say is.... (1)

Rendo (918276) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784087)

Live long and prosper *does Vulcan hand thing* Vulcans are in Bab 5 right?

Re:All I can say is.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15784293)

You are thinking Vorlons

Prepare for dissapointment (1)

damburger (981828) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784107)

I think some people have a romanticised image of Babylon 5.

Bear in mind that, at the time, the only other Sci-Fi on Tv was Star Trek: The Next Generation. That was not a good show. So B5 didn't exactly have to work much to stand out as the best thing on TV.

It performed a function of breaking the Star Trek stranglehold. It showed people sci-fi could have more depth. But compared to some of what came after (Firefly, Battlestar Galactica, new Dr. Who) it is nothing special.

Its like people saying Citizen Kane was the best movie ever. It was certainly better than anything that came out at the time - but since then others have taken its ideas and improved upon them. Same for B5

another space station. (1)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784202)

"Bear in mind that, at the time, the only other Sci-Fi on Tv was Star Trek: The Next Generation"

Actually, B5 was out around the same time as "Star Trek: Deep Space 9".

Re:Prepare for dissapointment (2, Insightful)

Rethcir (680121) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784216)

Ok.. even non-slashdotters love the Next Generation, and you know it. Stop grandstanding.

Since new, why not better? (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784322)

Sure the original series was not quite at the same level as Battlestar Galactica (though I would argue that the overall plot may have been as good a premise, it's just character development and twists were not quite as impressive).

But these new episodes are written in todays world, where viewers and writers have seen Battlestar galactica, and good quality computer effects are cheaper and more impressive than ever. There is no reason to think we might see improvement both in story and in cinematography, and have some really good episodes to watch.

I plan to buy them partly to give the stories a chance, but also I very much want to express support for direct to DVD sales of shows. Potentially that could be a route that we might someday see Firefly again, there was an effort along those lines but it seems to have fizzled.

Thirdspace (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15784108)

Now that was a great post-B5 tie in.
The other B5 movies, not so hot but still decent.

It's amazing how old B5 is and still holds up to watching a decade later compared to modern series.

It was one of the first shows to be shot in 16:9 before there was HDTV!

dissapointed (1)

spykemail (983593) | more than 7 years ago | (#15784261)

Babylon 5 is hardly "back." Direct to DVD 20 minute character episodes hardly qualify as any sort of ressurection. As for the greatest sci-fi TV series of all time, for me it's a no-brainer: Doctor Who. And I'm not talking about the newer episodes, I'm taking about the series as a whole. Babylon 5 was great but it didn't instill the sort of eternal love that series like Doctor Who (and even Star Trek: the Next Generation to some degree) have. To this very day if I walked outside and saw a Dalek or Patrick Stewart I would shit my pants, a creature or actor from Babylon 5, not so much.

That having been said those are my personal picks, I'm sure that for many Babylon 5 fans it's quite the other way around. I enjoyed the series, it just wasn't spectacular for me. I've never seemed to truly favor station-based series, I prefer travelers like the Enterprise, the Tardis, the Stargate, etc. I also was not impressed by the special effects in Babylon 5, they were actually kind of crappy. Much crappeir than those in Star Trek: the Next Generation if you ask me. The plot and the actors in Babylon 5 were both very important to me and they screwed them both up pretty bad as the series progressed. In show like Star Trek and Doctor Who the plot really doesn't matter too much, as long as they're still flying around having crazy adventures it's all good.

Actually I'm kind of pissed at the new Doctor Who. Not having any Daleks or any Time Lords (besides the Doctor of course) pretty much kills my two favorite races. I'm informed they can't really not have any more Dalek episodes though, after all, the man does travel through time and the Daleks are his greatest enemy. He's bound to run into Daleks in the past.

I'm also pissed at Stargate, mostly at the retirement of you-know-who. What ever that dude from Farscape's name is needs to die. He's like one of those kids I always wanted to punch in the face while playing football. He's not a good replacement for the offbeat Colonel at all. The new general is also a poor replacement for General Hamond. He seems more like one of those nameless military types you'd see in one scene of a movie - he looks and sounds the part but he has no personality. I don't mind the crazy lady because she's, well, crazy but her Farscape boyfriend has got to go (or start acting less annoying).

Re:dissapointed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15784337)

Your information is out of date. Both season 1 and season 2 of the new Dr. Who have daleks. You'll defintely get your fix.

No word on other timelords though, but I expect that one or two might pop up in season 3.

Feeling spaced? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15784351)

Tim: [trying to get fired] Derek?
Derek: Yeah?
Tim: Babylon 5 is a big pile of shit!
Derek: [angrily] Get out!
Tim, Bilbo Bagshot: Yaaaaay!
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