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Kazaa Agrees to Pay $100m to the Record Industry

samzenpus posted more than 8 years ago | from the pay-up dept.

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siddesu writes "BBC has the following breaking story: File-sharing site Kazaa will become a legal music download service following a series of high-profile legal battles. The peer-to-peer network has also agreed to pay $100m (£53m) in damages to the record industry. The announcement follows the release of a music industry report that says more than 20 billion music tracks have been downloaded illegally in the last year. Hungry artists across the globe rejoice."

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just how much will each artist make? (5, Insightful)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790350)

I know theres a lot of artists, but does anybody know just how many and just how much of this money will actually go to the artists?

I personally think they will still be hungry.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (5, Interesting)

Reverend528 (585549) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790403)

I know theres a lot of artists, but does anybody know just how many and just how much of this money will actually go to the artists?

Technically, the artists now owe the RIAA money.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (5, Interesting)

KokorHekkus (986906) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790404)

Who knows... but it doesn't look good for the smaller artists I guess.

To quote Janis Ian:
...from personal experience: in 37 years as a recording artist, I've created 25+ albums for major labels, and I've never once received a royalty check that didn't show I owed them money. So I make the bulk of my living from live touring, playing for 80-1500 people a night, doing my own show.

And she goes on to state her opinion on the downloads as:
Who gets hurt by free downloads? Save a handful of super-successes like Celine Dion, none of us. We only get helped.

Source: http://www.janisian.com/article-internet_debacle.h tml [janisian.com]

Re:just how much will each artist make? (5, Insightful)

Roody Blashes (975889) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790576)

Then I guess she shouldn't have entered into a contract that was a bad business deal for her.

I'm sick of this stupid hivemind attitude where the artists are so downtrodden and abused. Like it or lump it, these people aren't being mugged of their rights, they have to willingly sign them away. If they don't understand what they're signing, they should get a lawyer.

And, of course, the argument that there's no other way to make it big is pointless too. Nobody is guaranteed the right to make money, only the freedom to attempt it. If they want to make money, and they can't do it through cartel members under teh RIAA, they should make an attempt on their own. If they don't make it, and fail, then they can go sit and cry in a beer with the other 90% of businesses that don't make it either (of course, we all know that because freedom provided by p2p and such is this huge legit business model rather than a place where 99.99% of all traffic is copyright infringement and/or porn or viruses, indy artists are all just going to be rolling in dough without the marketing muscle of the RIAA studios, right?).

Is the RIAA and its members abusive to artists and consumers? Absolutely.

Are artists under any obligation to sign contracts with them? Absolutely not.

Are consumers obligated to buy music from them? Absolutely not.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (5, Insightful)

russ1337 (938915) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790663)

I'm sick of this stupid hivemind attitude where the artists are so downtrodden and abused. Like it or lump it, these people aren't being mugged of their rights, they have to willingly sign them away.

Have you ever managed to change the terms and conditions of your power bill, your phone contract, the EULA on your XP installation? When you are small fry you have the choice of signing what the record company offer, or nothing. Sure you can go somewhere else, but that other label is just has harsh.

The record companies have all the power; They have nothing to lose and will tell you that they'll 'just sign someone else'. You might get room to move a little within your 'negotiation', but until you make it big you have nothing to negotiate with.

That said, I'm glad you recognize that the RIAA is abusing its powers. Massive Props to you.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (2, Insightful)

Roody Blashes (975889) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790769)

Comparing the process of entering into a business partnership of your own volition with purchasing services that are largely considered basic necessities for living a modern life is a ridiculous analogy.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

SumoRoach (52906) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790807)

"Massive props"?!

So, you can't change the EULA ((I'm assuming, with this broad stroke, you only mean the windows EULA, but either way), but you can choose not to agree to it. And lots of us have. And you can choose not to sign with a huge record label, and many of us have. They're both fringe groups, and both are growing. It's the ones that care that hold out, and they're the ones that make a difference, rather than caving into the RIAA, or to Microsoft.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (5, Insightful)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790734)

I'm sick of this stupid hivemind attitude where the artists are so downtrodden and abused. Like it or lump it, these people aren't being mugged of their rights, they have to willingly sign them away.

Ever considered that it could be the only way to be published big time? For them it's the choice between "A chance to make it big time" and "Would you like fries with that?"

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

TopShelf (92521) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790750)

Then I guess she shouldn't have entered into a contract that was a bad business deal for her.

That's the problem, most artists have no business sense and thus get fleeced. My wife was watching Biography a couple weeks ago and it talked about Dolly Parton, who is at the opposite end of that scale. At one time, Elvis Presley's representatives called her and said that Elvis wanted to record one of her songs ("I Will Always Love You"), with the condition that he be able to purchase half the publishing rights to the song as part of the deal. She refused, as she didn't want to give that up, even for someone of Elvis' stature.

Whitney Houston recorded the song years later for the Bodyguard soundtrack, and Parton made millions in royalties as a result.

Some animals are more equal than others (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790752)

"Nobody is guaranteed the right to make money"

Really? The RIAA seems to think they are. And the U.S. congress seems to agree with them.

But at the heart of what you're saying, I agree with you. People should be allowed to borrow money from loan sharks. They should be allowed to buy tainted food. In fact, the only thing a government should do is enforce contracts. That way, people will be much better off. Don't you agree that when big businesses do well, we all enjoy the fruits of their success?

In fact, history shows that when big business is unchecked, it is a golden age for the world. That's what GW Bush is trying to do. He is slowly undoing the shackles on big business that keep them from reaping the fruits of their labor. A lot of people complaining about workers rights, or consumers rights are just whiners and complainers. Where would we be if not for the largesse of large corporations.

Why do people *COMPLAIN* all the time about this benevolent hand that guides us, much as a mother might put us to their breast and allow us to suckle at that teat of kindness and success known as the corporation.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

BodhiCat (925309) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790711)

When did Janis Ian get old? I thought she was singing songs about being 17 and now she looks like a grandmother with grey hair. Wha happened???

Re:just how much will each artist make? (5, Informative)

gid13 (620803) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790408)

I think the ones that are hungry are the ones that WANT people to download their stuff. And I think that labels are a monument to mediocrity and mistreatment. Let's not forget the guy from Creedence Clearwater, who got sued for copyright infringement OF HIS OWN WORK because the record label owned the copyright. Or, much as I may hate them, the Backstreet Boys, who, after several hugely popular albums, testified that they hadn't ever received a royalty cheque. Or DMX, who compared the music business to legalized slavery. Let's not forget that the major labels were convicted of price-fixing, and got the tiniest penalty imaginable. This is a short beginning of a very long list, but I'm not going to type it all. The point is: pretty much anything that results in the major labels getting more money is bad. And this likely will.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

SomeoneGotMyNick (200685) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790552)

I just happened to tag onto your post as an interjection to the thread. I agree with your statement.

I'm trying to blend the "screw the record company offerings" and "family values" ideals together. Music instruments can be bought for little money these days. So can some music sequencing software for a PC. With the savings of several CD purchases, why not just learn to make your own music as a family? The trash being pumped out as Pop music these days proves that amateurs can make music.

Besides, I don't need to buy my music to enjoy the latest tunes. I have a (now deafened) neighbor that makes sure I can hear all the new stuff playing on his stereo.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

paralaxcreations (981218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790668)

Besides, I don't need to buy my music to enjoy the latest tunes. I have a (now deafened) neighbor that makes sure I can hear all the new stuff playing on his stereo.
Better not say that too loud. The RIAA is hungry.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (5, Insightful)

Zontar_Thing_From_Ve (949321) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790646)

Or DMX, who compared the music business to legalized slavery.

I just wanted to add that a couple of years ago, some US Congressman (sadly, I don't remember who it was) said that the music business was like a bank that owned a mortgage on a house and after the mortgage was paid off, the bank still owned the house. I thought that was probably the most perceptive view of how the music business works that I have ever heard.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

ubermiester (883599) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790678)

Without a tremendous initial investment in the recording, marketing and distribution of their material, (and in many cases the purchasing of actual material for a performer to perform), many of the artists would never have made ANY money in the biz. The Backstreet Boys were a completely manufactured enterprise - essentailly a product - who made their money as salaried employees. And when an artist who actually writes their own material makes the CHOICE to trade the rights to that material in exchange for the financial backing of a big corporation, they should not expect to receive any more than a deal with the devil will give them. Artists like Pavement and Fugazi, to name a couple, were never vaulted to the top of the charts by a marketing blitz at the mall, but they actually own their own material and do well enough to be professional musicians - i.e., they do nothing more than play music for a living. Perhaps DMX should have considered such a plan before he signed up to be a slave of the record industry.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (2, Insightful)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790707)

the Backstreet Boys, who, after several hugely popular albums, testified that they hadn't ever received a royalty cheque

The Backstreet Boys don't DESERVE any royalties. Like most "boy bands" they are NOT a band at all. They're actors who were hired for their look and dancing abilities. They were paid employees of some media mogul that created the "band" before these guys even appeared (there were probably even sketches of the band drawn up before the first audition was even held). These "band members" just showed up for the casting call. Their job was to look pretty, learn the dance moves, and learn to make their lipsyncing look at least somewhat realistic.

They were paid to play roles, not for their creative input. They played their roles and now the show is about to be canceled. End of story.

-Eric

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790809)

Or, much as I may hate them, the Backstreet Boys, who, after several hugely popular albums, testified that they hadn't ever received a royalty cheque.

Unless I'm mistaken about them, the Backstreet Boys haven't produced anything that would earn them a royalty cheque anyway. You get royalties on things like songs, which they conspicuously didn't write ...

Re:just how much will each artist make? (3, Insightful)

peragrin (659227) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790409)

Zero.

the RIAA isn't affilated with any artist. Just the lawyers athorized by their labels.

So the RIAA lawyers, and the riaa org. gets their cut, then the label's lawyers and the labels.

The artists themselves aren't worthy enough to recieve any moeny after those people take their cut.

it's really not that surprising. If the rumours are true for every download on itunes an artist recieves less than Apple's share. It's time for a music revolution.

None. This just offsets Record Industry costs (5, Informative)

giafly (926567) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790429)

does anybody know just how many and just how much of this money will actually go to the artists?
"While the award may seem like a vast pot of money, it will merely offset the millions we have invested - and will continue to invest - in fighting illegal pirate operations around the world" - EMI Music vice chairman David Munns [macworld.co.uk]

Re:None. This just offsets Record Industry costs (2, Insightful)

timeOday (582209) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790491)

Hahahaha. Oh, that's golden. I couldn't have made up a more lawyerly and selfish resonse. 0% for the artists, straight from the horse's mouth.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790431)

with the current track record for the RIAA, I imagine about 2% of that would go to the artists. Spread that money over the thousands of artists, and they might get enough money to afford a loaf of bread and a jar of no-name peanut butter.

so I agree, they will still be hungry.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (2, Insightful)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790434)

The music industry reminds me of the carebear crafters you find in MMORPGs. They spend all day making helmets but when they go to the NPC to sell them they find that he won't give them much for them. So they try to sell them to passers-by but they aint interested in helmets. Everyone's got a helmet already. So they start telling people how great their helmets are and claim all sorts of magical properties that they don't really have, just in the hope that someone will try one of their helmets and see how great they are. Eventually they get bitter and upset. They complain loudly to the live team who suggest 'why don't you make swords?' But they don't want to make swords, they want to make helmets, and damn it, you better force the NPCs to pay a reasonable amount for them and force the players to buy new helmets (perhaps by making the old helmets rust).

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

miro f (944325) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790670)

that has to be one of the most nonsensical, illogical, and confusing analogies ever introduced to mankind

Re:just how much will each artist make? (0)

QuantumG (50515) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790770)

It's really not. Musicians want to play music all day. There's an over-abundance of musicians, yet they still wanna get paid. So they go to the government and get laws put in place they introduce artifical scarcity. The exact same thing happens in virtual worlds.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

ahsile (187881) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790438)

Somwhere in the range of $0.00 I believe.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (2, Insightful)

musicwizard (781910) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790439)

Most likely the artist will see none of these profits. Artist make very little on the sale of their music. Their money is made in concert venues and sales of merchandise. Why do you think they spend so much time on the road?

Re:just how much will each artist make? (4, Insightful)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790441)

If the artists actually owned their music, they would see some decent money. After being pressured by the label, being told that there are a thousand more waiting in the wings to sign on the dotted line, lest they pass up the "chance of a lifetime", they'll sign anything, including the part about the label owning the copyright to their songs.

This is why you don't see a lot of mainstream artists endorsing the trading of their music. It usually isn't theirs to trade anymore.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (2, Interesting)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790475)

If the artists actually owned their music, they would see some decent money. After being pressured by the label, being told that there are a thousand more waiting in the wings to sign on the dotted line, lest they pass up the "chance of a lifetime", they'll sign anything, including the part about the label owning the copyright to their songs.

And even when an artist tries to retain control of their songs, business interests get in the way [wikipedia.org] .

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

kimvette (919543) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790510)

After legal fees, administrative fees, and so forth are charged against the artists, the artists will OWE the labels money for this "protection." ;)

Re:just how much will each artist make? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790619)

Well, at $100M and 20 billion tracks, that's roughly half a cent per track.

Therefore, Britney Spears and the like will get a few dollars, whereas most other artists will get a few cents.

Minus the RIAA administration overhead, of course.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (4, Interesting)

Solomon Grundy (991428) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790768)

In the book "This Business of Music", by M. William Krasilovsky, there is a very poignant flowchart/diagram. In this diagram, it shows in a nutshell how music goes from the artist to the consumer/fan. The bottleneck within this diagram was, not surprisingly, the distribution channels - where the music goes from the manufacturer to the stores/wholesellers. The major distribution chains, at least within the US, are essentially owned and operated by the major music companies. That is the real reason the RIAA and record companies are so concerned, because a large portion of the markup between the artist to the consumer falls in the distribution chain. Therefore, whoever controls the distribution of music essentially controls the elasticity of supply/demand and, therefore, can potentially move pricing. In addition, and to paraphrase from memory, when Radio was first developed, the music industry was concerned that allowing people to listen to music for free would destroy the music publishing industry (i.e. the printing and selling of sheet music). Then, the creation of the recordable, blank cassette tape was supposed to destroy the music industry. And so on...There is no argument that either the RIAA or the recording industry can use that will disprove the simple fact that they are ultimately only concerned for their own pocketbooks, not those of the artists themselves.

Re:just how much will each artist make? (1)

pilgrim23 (716938) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790783)

THink of all the many poor starving lawyers who have spent their whole lives specializing in the file sharing extortion paradigm. This deal will put them out of work! Will they be compensated?

Next in line to pay up (3, Funny)

MECC (8478) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790357)

Now lets see how much they'll pay to all the people whose PCs have been crippled by all the malware kazaa dumps on their computers.

FTFA: We have won another battle in an ongoing war," said John Kennedy, chairman and CEO of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industries (IFPI). "We move forward with a spring in our step."

All they have to do now is get all those undead [betanews.com] offenders to pay up.

Re:Next in line to pay up (1)

hkgroove (791170) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790382)

That would be nice. However, the RIAA/MPAA would follow the money trail and have a whole new list of actual people to go after.

Re:Next in line to pay up (1)

dr_dank (472072) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790743)

FTFA: We have won another battle in an ongoing war," said John Kennedy, chairman and CEO of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industries (IFPI). "We move forward with a spring in our step."

Then Kennedy said "Ask not what the RIAA can do for you, but what you can do for the RIAA!".

Hungry artists... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790359)

will continue to be hungry... How is this going to help anyone except the fat cats?

Re:Hungry artists... (1)

wackysootroom (243310) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790386)

I think you missed the sarcasm in the story.

Re:Hungry artists... (2, Funny)

Aim Here (765712) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790478)

You insensitive CLOD! Didn't you hear what happened [theonion.com] to Kid Rock?

Re:Hungry artists... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790644)

Haha! I only wish! Thanks for the funny link though.

Fr1st p4yment! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790360)

Well, isn't it?.. ;P

the cost of music (4, Insightful)

tehwebguy (860335) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790372)

$100,000,000.00 / 20,000,000,000 Songs = $0.005

seems rather hypocritical that the RIAA won't allow AllofMP3 to sell songs for $0.05 when they are selling them for 10 times less..

Re:the cost of music (1)

friedman101 (618627) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790488)

Well the obvious difference is the RIAA gets 100% of that $0.005 and 0% of allofmp3's $0.05

I mean I hate the RIAA's practices as much as the next guy but let's keep our arguments within reason

Re:the cost of music (1)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790497)

Yes, but you see, the RIAA owns those songs (well, the artists do, but the RIAA is like a big strong pimp that keeps the artist-hoes in their place)... it is the principle of it... you see, the... it... ...VICTORY IS MINE *runs to secret RIAA-funded escape pod* You'll never catch us!

Re:the cost of music (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790541)

NEW FROM THE RIAA!

Pirate music in bulk to get special discounts - up to 99%* cheaper than iTunes!

(*For pirating of more than 20,000,000,000 songs)

Re:the cost of music (1)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790563)

To be fair, the problem with allofmp3 is that they are collecting royalties but they are then lodged with a company that most (all?) of record companies have no revenue processing relationship with so the funds can't be passed on and distributed.

Re:the cost of music (4, Insightful)

Overzeetop (214511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790591)

With $100M, it seems like they could find someone who speaks Russian and forge that business relationship. And don't piss and moan about the corrupt Russian government and the shady legal company holding the royalties, what do you think the the US Congress and the RIAA look like to those in other countries?

Re:the cost of music (1)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790632)

Forge a business relationship? That would be counter-productive to their ability to sue anything and everything for far more than they'd ever have spent on CDs. They make much more money this way.
This could be their worst move yet, especially now they've admitted the money is going to TPTB not the artists.

But.... (5, Interesting)

zo1dberg (939135) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790374)

Why does the money go to "the record industry", and not these "hungry artists"?

Re:But.... (1)

42Penguins (861511) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790395)

If the hungry artists are fed, then the only thing they can complain about piracy hurting is their bottom line. Who is more likely to draw sympathy, a starving artist or "the man?"

Re:But.... (1)

evdubs (708273) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790490)

The money goes to the lawyers and c-level executives that represent the RIAA because they're the ones organizing all of the suits against the illegal distribution mechanisms (and its participants). Musicians create music to be sold; they don't sue people for the abuse of IP they don't own.

Proper Settlement (4, Interesting)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790378)

The record industry claimants should get a 20% discount on future Kazaa downloads.

Like the rest of us ever get a real settlement from record indutry abuses.

20 Billion Tracks? (5, Insightful)

stealie72 (246899) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790380)

Wow, 3+ tracks for every person on the planet?

How do they know those are all illegal? My CD collection is in my attic. My p2p software is on my desktop. I DL tracks from CDs I own all the time, because it's easier than finding the CD.

Did that get counted as an illegal download?

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790413)

I'm sure it did, because it is.

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (2, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790419)

Yes, now bend over. - RIAA spokesperson.

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (1)

govtpiggy (978532) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790440)

Yes they do count downloading tracks you own as an illegal download. You have to remember that even if you did take the time to find the CD the RIAA would still count that as an illegal action [slashdot.org] . What I'd like to know is where those numbers came from as I don't know how they think they can get anywhere near an accurate estimate on something that.

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (1)

stealie72 (246899) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790578)

Holy crap, I went back and read the article that you referenced (somehow I missed it the first time) and came across this chestnut:

"Even if CDs do become damaged, replacements are readily available at affordable prices"

The RIAA really plays both sides of the issue, eh? Sometimes I own a lisence to the music (when they're complaining about second-hand CD sales), and sometimes the music is a physical object that I have to spend $18 to replace if it breaks.

If these pricks didn't have the ears of congress, they'd be laughable.

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (3, Interesting)

91degrees (207121) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790527)

Did that get counted as an illegal download?

well, given that it's a dpownloadm and what you're doing is illegal, I'd say "yes".

Fair use and the AHRA allow you to copy from a CD you own. Not one that someone else owns. I know they're identical, but what differenct does that make? The law can still be illogical.

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (1)

brunokummel (664267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790528)

The thing is ...
how can you, and the RIAA, be sure that the mp3 you're downloading comes from a person that actually owns the cd just the way you do??

In this case the issue is more about sharing the files than getting them . If you are sharing your files to anyone that may not own the CD, you're probably on RIAA's black list as well!
just a thought....

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790601)

yes. it does.

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790636)

DL tracks from CDs I own all the time, because it's easier than finding the CD

Wouldn't it be better to get all your CDs, rip them onto your computer in the format and bit rate you want, rather than downloading a version of P2P which is a heavily compressed casette tape recording of a song played on the radio?

I used to use P2P to download, but gave up when the bit rate said 192kbs and it was obviously 64kbs re-encoded at 192kbs...

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (1)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790712)

My p2p software is on my desktop. I DL tracks from CDs I own all the time, because it's easier than finding the CD.

Unfortnately it is, the illegal action you are commiting is distributing the material because as you download you are also uploading. If I am right what you will be sued for is copyright infringment which is illegal distribution of their intellectual works.

Re:20 Billion Tracks? (1)

sdnoob (917382) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790787)

using the industry's method of counting, where *every* download = a "lost sale" (which anyone with common sense knows isn't true); they probably count a downloaded track split between 20 peers (sources) as *20* downloaded files, not one.

Well... (4, Insightful)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790383)

In other news, use of Bittorrent and eDonkey networks is up.

"We have won another battle in an ongoing war [...] We move forward with a spring in our step."

I have to hand it to these guys, they can sure convince themselves of what they want to believe in.

Re:Well... (1)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790548)

They would make excellent motivational speakers. Although personally, I'd rather use them in a zoo: "And if you look to your left, you'll see the RIAA-lawyer-sapien; a distant relative of man, the RIAA-laywer-sapien lives to feed maliciously and violently on the weak and wounded. Uh oh, hold on to your hats, it looks like a 13 year old girl just downloaded a Britney Spears song in the RIAA-layer-sapiens' pen... there they go folks... look at the way they swarm and strike with a spring in their step, it is certainly a fearsome sight -- thankfully they can't get through the inch of bulletproof glass on the bus, so there's no need to be worried."

Proud to be a Canuck (1)

digitrev (989335) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790410)

Finally, we Canadians win some recognition where it is due. >.>

Frankly, I'm too lazy to download music. If I really want a CD, I'll buy it, or bug my friend's to see if they have it, and maybe do a music swap. Which of course includes ripping it to my computer.

Re:Proud to be a Canuck (2, Interesting)

cyniCalsOCK (989171) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790582)

I agree with your sentiments. Thats all I do. All the junk on the P2P networks is mostly 128k-160 kbps crap. I'm a drummer and i hate hearing cymbols that sound like you hit one underwater (my interpertation at least). I always go for a real CD. Just incase there is some massive EMP that wipes out my legally ripped MP3 collection, I still have my harcopies that can still play on my CD player that i haven't used in some time. (I only get the CD then rip it to 320kbps MP3)

And the artists get... (4, Insightful)

grapeape (137008) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790412)

And the hungry artists who were "damaged" by this get a $1 off coupon for their next recording session advance.

Kazaa would be better off throwing in the towel, a keyword search is too broad to block only protected works and will result in the service being mostly unusable for either legit or non legit uses.

Just watch MTV Cribs (2, Funny)

Artie_Effim (700781) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790415)

Gee - I used to DL music, but after watching MTV Cribs and seeing those poor starving musicians with their 8000sq/ft homes and pools and 5 cars, I started buying all my music, you know..for kids.

Re:Just watch MTV Cribs (1)

lastchance_000 (847415) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790617)

Yes, but in a fews years they'll be on VH1 Behind the Music and you'll see how they lost it all.

OMG this is totally awesome (5, Insightful)

Heir Of The Mess (939658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790417)

Now instead of having a large range of MP3s to choose from I can choose from a limited range of music that is encumbered with DRM. Where do I send my money?...allofmp3.com I guess. I wonder if the music industry will eventually get it?

Re:OMG this is totally awesome (0)

leuk_he (194174) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790508)

get it? they don't they got 100 million. Get it?

Re:OMG this is totally awesome (1, Insightful)

nogginthenog (582552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790766)

Why not download from newsgroups / bittorrent? It's just as legal as allofmp3, but cheaper.

And the next Utility is (1)

VEGETA_GT (255721) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790421)

Ok seriously, dose the record industry think going after kazaa well stop internet downloads. First ff, kazaa is pain anyway, seriously screwing up network traffic. There are already much better solutions out there to acquire music. Any time some web site or program gets taking down, another always seams to come in to take its place. The RIAA needs to get a clue and say, we can't beat it, lets find a way to use it. And they are also to dumb to realize its already helping them as it is. I have so many friends who download a cd before they buy it. If its crap, hay pay for it, if it's good then they get it.

But what program do you think are next on the list to take over from kazaa and be the next target of the RIAA/MPAA.

What kind of Download Service will they Become? (3, Interesting)

KarmaOverDogma (681451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790422)

That's just as interesting a subject as their change of heart. Ideally there would be:

1) the option to purchase individual tracks cheap, like iTunes
2) with as little DRM as possible (preferably none)
3) the option to buy full albums that cost less than the physical version (say, Five Bucks)
4) the full albums would have the goodies like lyrics
5) there would be bonus materials not available in stores (just like with CDs that killed the LP)
6) Peer review of the tracks and/or albums would be permitted *by those who have bought them*, so we could know if the music was good or TeH sUcK.

Anyway, just some thoughts.

All New DRMed service coming soon? (2, Interesting)

trawg (308495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790427)

Cool - will the 'new Kazaa'...

- have anywhere near the range of the old one?
- ship us DRMed files that aren't compatible with all our devices?
- cost less, the same or more than iTunes?
- be adware sponsored to keep costs of music down?

Unless there are favourable answers to all these questions (and more, no doubt), what possible incentive is there going to be to use this service.

I'd happily pay $50 a month (or whatever, some reasonable monthly fee / bandwidth even) to download whatever mp3s I wanted from Kazaa that anyone wanted to share. I'd happily let my downloads be tracked so it could go into a big database somewhere so royalties could be paid to artists and labels.

20 billion downloads? (2, Insightful)

complete loony (663508) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790442)

That's not a war, that's a massacre.

Ka-what? (1)

Simon Garlick (104721) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790446)

Kazaa...? Oh, I remember. It was big back in the nineties, right?

What, it still exists?! No way.

Shaq (1)

krell (896769) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790455)

"Kazaa...? Oh, I remember. It was big back in the nineties, right?"

Yeah, it was that Shaquille O'Neal genie movie. Yeah, I think you'll have to pay me $100 million to see THAT turkey again!

Behind the Times (5, Funny)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790448)

"We have won another battle in an ongoing war," said John Kennedy, chairman and CEO of the International Federation of the Phonographic Industries (IFPI). "We move forward with a spring in our step."

The International Federation of the Phonographic Industries? Ok guys, it's the 21st Century, so you may want to update the name a little. Although, I have to admit, the new USB turntable I installed on my multi-media PC is smokin'!

I wonder if they ever get confused with the International Federation of the Pornographic Industries?

Just Like Napster....... (1)

segedunum (883035) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790449)

...and countless others that then disappear without trace and become replaced by other filesharing networks and software. Brilliant. Minds like golfish some people... Minds like golfish some people... Minds like golfish some people... Minds like golfish some people... Minds like golfish some people...

"The market is now fragmenting. Unless you are an ardent downloader it is becoming harder to know where to go," he said.

Yer, I know. Everyone struggled when Napster ceased to be.

No problem... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790451)

With their (RIAA) business model even those $100m won't last for long before they're forced to spend less money on their lawyers.

And when they're forced to spend less money on ther lawyers they will lose one case after another and at some point in the future they won't even be able to produce income from sueing people anymore.

Please, pretty please, once and for all (5, Interesting)

zuki (845560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790464)

What the scariest thing is with this type of settlement is that no one,absolutely no one seems to really know - or care - about what will happen to such a huge pile of money, and further that it probably will only go to enrich those who have major chart successes, their lawyers, or the IFPI itself (claiming it needs more $$ to fight piracy), rather than those copyright holders whose music was actually downloaded.

Of course, as with a major news organization such as the BBC, no need to wax philosophic on the actual real-world meaning and consequences of such actions, and the possible windfall (or lack thereof) to those who created the content in question. Rethorical question if you ask me.

Sort of like the "War On Terror(TM)"... By now everyone forgot why we are fighting it, as we are too involved in the day-to-day fighting to remember what it was supposed to be about.

Carry on lads, carry on....

Z.

Re:Please, pretty please, once and for all (1)

miro f (944325) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790756)

well... the RIAA have already said the money will go into offsetting the money they spend fighting pirates. So yes, it will go to their lawyers.

And where does the money come from? Well, the consumer of course. In the end it's no big deal, lawyers are to money as heat is to energy, given enough time all energy becomes heat and all money goes to lawyers.

Finally, they embrace technology! (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790472)

And with Kazaa's refocusing into a pay service, it clearly shows that the RIAA is finally realizing the power that peer to peer networks have and will be able to mold it into a high quality distribution method. Plus there's already a high installed userbase to give this new service a strong kickstart.

What's that? Look at Napster? Didn't they get sued to oblivian?

THAT'S a pay service now too?! We're doomed...

Re:Finally, they embrace technology! (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790551)

What's that? Look at Napster? Didn't they get sued to oblivian?

THAT'S a pay service now too?! We're doomed...

Not to mention , Napster stinks now. My wife tried using them to get music for her iRiver but had nothing but technical problems with the downloads not working, plus all sorts of extra fees for the songs she really wanted, as opposed to the general tripe they peddle. Kinda sad to see this happening.

Canada Number 2? (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790473)

TFReport cites Canada as the second worst 'offender' in music downloads worldwide.
Perhaps that is due to our Blank Media levy [wikipedia.org] that makes downloading essentially legal in this country.
Now whether those billions of tracks were subsequently uploaded is another question entirely (this is not covered by the levy), but i suppose that doesn't help the RIAA:

"Them there Canucks did 23 Braaziiiilion downloads. Invade Canada!!"

RIAA wins! No one else does... (4, Insightful)

paladinwannabe2 (889776) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790484)

"Hungry artists across the globe rejoice" isn't even in the article- probably because it's just wrong. And while I do not support illegal filesharing, I do have to agree with earlier posters that the starving artists won't see a dime of this settlement. In fact, I'd be suprised if any artists, even the 'big names', get some of the settlement. The artist's contract only gets them money under certain conditions- and I'll bet that 'settlements from lawsuits' are not one of those conditions. No, this is a victory for the RIAA, but not particularly helpful to anyone else.

Re:RIAA wins! No one else does... (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790607)

"Hungry artists across the globe rejoice" isn't even in the article- probably because it's just wrong
Blackadder: Baldrick, have you no idea what irony is?
Baldrick: Yes, it's like goldy and bronzy only it's made out of iron.

Yeah...Right... (1)

infosec_spaz (968690) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790503)

Like the actual artists will see one fucking penny of it!! RIAA will claim that legal costs have eaten it all up, and that they sued on behalf of the artist, so there is no money left, but from now on, the artist will see more money...anyone besides me see a terrible ass raping here?!?!?

I can hear Dr. Evil now... (-1, Offtopic)

Mr. Firewall (578517) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790514)

"One hundred million dollars!"

100M will fund plenty RIAA prosecutions, and . . . (3, Insightful)

ysaric (665140) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790523)


This money could be used for attorney fees for going after the next P2P company, or to go after individuals downloaders/sharers, or to R&D for the next DRM scheme, or for lobbying governments for laws that benefit them and/or make it easier for them to target the above groups.

One thing it will likely not be used for is to work to further integrate musicians and their music into quality, legal digital distribution channels that allow broad consumer rights.

Re:100M will fund plenty RIAA prosecutions, and . (1)

WingedEarth (958581) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790624)

If the disgusting, greedy, self-serving, ignoble, traitorous music industry cared at all about adding something positive to its community, it would have already worked out a scheme of blanket licensing for P2P downloads, that would allow P2P services to operate legitimately by paying monthly flat fees, in the way that venues pay for blanket public performance licenses from ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC. But unfortunately, all these monopolists care about is economics and control. It's disgusting that this sort of people control the art and culture in this country. Why didn't they go into banking or finance where they belong? Also, they don't know the first thing about art, and any good artists they sign is either through luck, or by buying up small labels that haven proven successful.

Go Mexico Go! (2, Informative)

xtracto (837672) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790616)

Wee Mexico on the TOP 10 list!.

On a serious note, instead of "fragmenting" and making harder to see where to go, what they are doing is homogenizing (spell??) it. All those kazaa users will go ([to bittorrent+emule+X]-1) P2P software that is available. That is great from my point of view because that way you will have to hunt less places to get what you need.

I remember once I downloaded winmx and could found the GAMEDEV magazine ISO disks, unfortunately I could not download it because my connction was still a modem. In those days you had edonkey, kazaa, imesh, napster, and I dont remember how many others.

The more of those netwoks they close, the better another network will become (in anonymity, content and users).

"Hungry artists rejoice"...? Dream on! (1)

RokcetScientist (900414) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790630)

The only party that's going to benefit from this is the music INDUSTRY! The Sony's, Warner Brothers, c.s. The mammoth corporations and fat cats that WE, the consumer, MADE mammoth corporations and fat cats. And they still want more!
Artists will be the LAST to benefit from this. And the consumer keeps on paying through the nose! For instance by ILLEGAL means: INTIMIDATION. Witness the MPAA trying to extort an innocent member of the public: http://wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/start.html?pg =3 [wired.com]

mod 0p (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790645)

sadness And it was otheJr members in Sha8e. *BSD is

frIsT psot (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790697)

It siMple, traNsfer, Netscape

Here is a mental picture: RIAA, the Zoo keeper (0, Flamebait)

layer3switch (783864) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790702)

Record Industry represented by RIAA, the Zoo keeper
Artists, dirty animals yanked out of their natural habitat (street corner)
The sign, "Please, Don't Feed the Artists."
Listeners, "We are not allowed to see animals outside of the Zoo... because it's illegal..."

I hope, ./er's minds are still active and imaginative enough to draw that satire cartoon in your mind.

didn't they get shut down already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15790797)

The RIAA has shut down several networks before and yes they have been replaced and other came back from the dead. winMX was shut down and within two months was patched by the users to run again and still remains adware free. Surely if the user wishes to continue file sharing they will. Either by moving from one network to the next or by reviving a dead one with a few good patches.

If the RIAA was so interested about stopping piracy, they'd have to stop lining thier pockets with greed. A being that artist make very little if anything off a cd, I don't see it happening.

RI, MP, Kaz (1)

naddington (852722) | more than 8 years ago | (#15790802)

Now we have another group to call **AA.
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