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Google Announces Open Source Repository

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the competing dept.

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NewsForge (also owned by OSTG) has word of Google's newest product: an open-source project repository. Joe 'Zonker' Brockmeier sat down for a talk with Greg Stein and Chris DiBona, who say that the product is very similar to sites like SourceForge but is not intended to compete with them. From the article: "Instead, Stein says that the goal is to see what Google can do with the Google infrastructure, to provide an alternative for open source projects. DiBona says that it's a 'direct result of Greg concentrating on what open source projects need. Most bugtrackers are informed by what corporations' and large projects need, whereas Google's offering is just about what open source developers need. Stein says that Google's hosting has a 'brand new look' at issue tracking that may be of interest to open source projects, and says 'nobody else out there is doing anything close to it.'"

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229 comments

SourceForge is easy to beat (4, Insightful)

telbij (465356) | about 8 years ago | (#15794518)

Whether or not they claim to be competing with SourceForge is really beside the point. SourceForge puts all its effort into providing service for its Enterprise customers. Or at least that's my interpretation of why their free services have been plagued with extensive downtime and poor administration. When I did the first release of a personal project last year I didn't even bother to put it on SourceForge. If they can't provide reasonable uptime and notification of changes (such as the infamous CVS root change) then it's worse than nothing.

If Google provides decent uptime--which seems likely given their infrastructure--then they'll already have SourceForge beat on the most important metric. If the service actually innovates and provides some unique value, well that's just a bonus.

Bzzzzttt (0, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794580)

I disagree.

SourceForge is one of the best, most reliable hosts, open source or not, that the FOSS community has ever seen. The tools for administration are top notch, and the userbase clearly loves the interfaces.

Just like that viral ad says "head on, apply directly to the forehead", SourceForge is more along the lines of "my cock, apply directly to your anus. My cock, apply directly to your anus."

But that's just my take on things. YMMV.

Re:SourceForge is easy to beat (5, Funny)

SoCalChris (573049) | about 8 years ago | (#15794702)

Speaking of beating things, they must be marketing to the teenage/early 20's male programmer.

Have you seen their slogan?

Release early, release often

Re:SourceForge is easy to beat (2, Informative)

suds (6610) | about 8 years ago | (#15795274)

Release early, release often

Yes, I say give credit where credit is due..in this case should credit Linus for the quote.

Re:SourceForge is easy to beat (2, Funny)

A Brand of Fire (640320) | about 8 years ago | (#15795451)

Sounds like those young'uns need to learn Tantric programming.

Re:SourceForge is easy to beat (4, Informative)

sgt scrub (869860) | about 8 years ago | (#15794723)

If SourceForge had Google's resources they wouldn't have those problems. if the percentage of people taking advantage of opensource software and sites like SourceForge would give something back they would have those resources. I would rather of seen Google contribute to SourceForge, or Freshmeat for that matter.

Re:SourceForge is easy to beat (5, Insightful)

larry bagina (561269) | about 8 years ago | (#15794894)

would you rather of [sic] seen Google contribute to hotmail or yahoo mail rather than creating gmail? Or maybe they should have contributed to yahoo, msn, or altavista instead of creating their own search engine?

I investigated using the enterprise version of sourceforge about a year ago. We looked at the source code (from before they closed it) and decided it was a horrible mess and poorly designed. They may have cleaned it up after they closed it, but I wasn't impressed.

If google can do something better, they should.

Re:SourceForge is easy to beat (5, Insightful)

cheater512 (783349) | about 8 years ago | (#15794991)

But we do contribute back to Sourceforge. Thats what all the ads are for.

SourceForge has ads? (4, Funny)

aztracker1 (702135) | about 8 years ago | (#15795258)

/me turns off adblock now... ;)

Re:SourceForge is easy to beat (5, Insightful)

Excelsior (164338) | about 8 years ago | (#15795021)

As a non-project-admin user of SF, my biggest problem with SF was the period of time when their search failed to work 95% of the time due to overload. I'm willing to bet Google Code never has that problem. I could be wrong.

On a different topic, for all the times that people complain that Slashdot is posting topics that are in their best interest, topics like this show me this isn't the case. Since OSTG owns both Sourceforge and Slashdot, this posting goes against their financial best interest. They have exposed their huge audience to a competitor.

Re:SourceForge is easy to beat (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15795478)

"topics like this show me this isn't the case."

Oh, a news website posted a news story this time, which is what they're *supposed* to do anyway. Airtight logic. While we're at it, let's prove all rats are white because we found one white rat.

Far as I'm concerned, Google should be taking over Sourceforge completely. Open Source projects have chilled too long in the dark shadow of the proprietary-loving Slashdot empire. "But how can you SAY that?" While pointing to the revenue from the Microsoft ads, is how.

Reluctantly, I find myself agreeing (4, Insightful)

rucs_hack (784150) | about 8 years ago | (#15795177)

I've used sourcrforge for my project for the last four years. I have a small but constant stream of people downloading my project.

I have had numerous problems with services going offline, each time it's been annoying. recently I couldn't access the web page admin, so I haven't been able to update the site to reflect a new version of my software. As I've been working on the new release for a couple of months, this is a major issue for me.

Plus you now have to pay to get the very best service. I can't afford this, so I'm stuck with the less able service. They claim the normal free service is unnaffected, but I have my doubts. Even when everythings working it's not especially easy to use, and I don't much like some of the changes to the site they've added of late.

Their intentions may be good, and I do understand the need for funding, but non paying users are being effected, regardless of their intent. Paying users get better project admin options/tools too, and I'd rather like that. I'm a poor student though, such things are outside of my budget. I must say sourceforge has lost its appeal for me of late because of these things.

I think I may give google a try, and tramline the two for a while.

That's the open source way, the superior product survives based on how good it is.

Re:Reluctantly, I find myself agreeing (4, Informative)

liquidpele (663430) | about 8 years ago | (#15795533)

As someone who regularly searches for projects on sourceforge, I welcome any competition. Sourceforge's search is just horrible. Every time I search for something, it brings back random things that have nothing to do with what I searched for, and will usually put projets at version 0.1 that have never been updated after their creation in the first page of the results. I mean, get a decent search rating system for god's sake! Maybe it's just me though.

Wait wait (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794521)

nobody else out there is doing anything close to it.

Like, um, SourceForge? I'm not entirely sure, but I think they are a pretty popular open source repository.

Re:Wait wait (1)

TedSandwich (979648) | about 8 years ago | (#15794598)

I believe they were referring to
'brand new look' at issue tracking
when they said
'nobody else out there is doing anything close to it.'
, not Open Source hosting.

SourceForge, we hardly knew ye (5, Funny)

TopShelf (92521) | about 8 years ago | (#15794526)

...who say that the product is very similar to sites like SourceForge but is not intended to compete with them.

I guess they mean that in the sense that the Pittsburgh Steelers aren't intended to compete with an intramural squad playing in a park. Shall we start the SourceForge countdown clock?

Re:SourceForge, we hardly knew ye (1)

yakhan451 (841816) | about 8 years ago | (#15794710)

I think a betting pool would be more fun.

Re:SourceForge, we hardly knew ye (4, Funny)

colmore (56499) | about 8 years ago | (#15794800)

Seeing as I had gone for the long shot and picked "July 2006" on Lance Bass, this could really be my month!

Re:SourceForge, we hardly knew ye (1)

kfg (145172) | about 8 years ago | (#15794819)

Not even vaguely in the same market. The Pittsburgh Steelers are a commercial entertainment venture, the intramural squad in the park is a sport.

KFG

Re:SourceForge, we hardly knew ye (1)

eln (21727) | about 8 years ago | (#15794839)

Okay, try the analogy with the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Oakland Raiders. Works just as well.

Re:SourceForge, we hardly knew ye (2)

kfg (145172) | about 8 years ago | (#15794935)

. . .try the analogy with the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Oakland Raiders.

Pittsburgh Steelers: Commercial entertainment venture

Oakland Raiders: Money blown on a joke

Ok, we've achieved equivilence.

KFG

Re:SourceForge, we hardly knew ye (1)

Mulielo (982836) | about 8 years ago | (#15794823)

That intramural squad will still be playing in the park next week, and the week after, and the week after that...

More words missing from the original post (4, Funny)

jimbogun (869443) | about 8 years ago | (#15794560)

"very similar to sites like SourceForge but is not intended to compete with them" ****Missing from the original post**** ", but is intended to replace them." Why compete when you can crush?

No Public Domain (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794573)

A quick look through the licenses mentioned in the TFA shows that public domain is missing.

Although its not a license per se, it might be nice to add that option for those projects that choose to go that route.

Re:No Public Domain (4, Informative)

euthyphro (60068) | about 8 years ago | (#15794728)

Other notable missing OSI license options: Academic Free License (AFL), Common Development and Distribution License (CDDL), Common Public License (CPL), and Eclipse Public License. It would be nice to hear the selection criteria used and how those criteria combat license proliferation, as well as how holding this position matters to Google.

Re:No Public Domain (4, Interesting)

rollercoaster375 (935898) | about 8 years ago | (#15794785)

Also missing is the option for Dual Licensing of your application. GPL and MIT (with a fee), for example.

Re:No Public Domain (1)

Zarel (900479) | about 8 years ago | (#15794798)

Yeah. I was considering using it for one of my projects until I realized it didn't have Public Domain.

I don't want copyright law anywhere near my projects, ya hear me, Google?

Re:No Public Domain (1)

Bull_UK (944763) | about 8 years ago | (#15795076)

No NOSA either, no surprise there though.

Re:No Public Domain (2, Interesting)

rucs_hack (784150) | about 8 years ago | (#15795205)

You automatically have copyright unless you specify otherwise.

Public domain isn't the same as open source, open source means the developers retain rights, public domain means you give them all up, public domain can be taken by a stranger and made proprietary, is that really what you want? I suggest you have a little think on that issue.

Google isn't specifically addressing that issue yet, just open source. Perhaps you should submit a request to have public domain added, it is after all only in the initial stages.

Re:No Public Domain (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15795407)

AFAIK public domain has diffren meanings in diffrent jurisdictions and in some not a well defined meaning or non at all. And how could someone later on verify that it really is public domain and what you ment by that without the provision to identify you as the author? Consider using the MIT licence it basically says you can do what you want (the "without restriction", the "including" is just examples to show that you really know and mean it) but identify me as the author and you can't sue me, it's a bit wordy but it's probably as short as it gets using legalese.

What the catch? (1)

creimer (824291) | about 8 years ago | (#15794590)

Can we use this Open Source Repository without something in the source code calling home like some of Google's APIs are in habit of doing?

Re:What the catch? (2, Interesting)

swimmar132 (302744) | about 8 years ago | (#15794628)

I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you saying that Google is going to insert code into your C++ open source project that talks to a Google server?

If so, I'd like some of that crack please.

Re:What the catch? (1)

creimer (824291) | about 8 years ago | (#15794729)

Apparently, if you use some of the Google APIs, part of the code calls home to let it be known that it's being used. That's what my crack pot... I mean, Slasdhot... tells me a while back. Would Google insert their code into an Open Source project? Inquiring crack heads want to know.

Re:What the catch? (2, Informative)

AuMatar (183847) | about 8 years ago | (#15794863)

The calling home on a lot of their APIs is to throttle usage- if someone is getting huge traffic google may want to react to that by either lowering their requests, caching more data for them, or even buying them if its truely huge. Thats what google maps does, for instance.

Re:What the catch? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15795254)

That's the problem with inquiring crack heads. They think they're so inquiring, but really they're so coked up that they're actually staring at the wall in a blank haze. And then when ET tries to phone home from their app, it doesn't even occur to them to check its Open Fucking Source to see if Google insertified any code into their project.

What a pity (5, Insightful)

Rorian (88503) | about 8 years ago | (#15794595)

I was really hoping for something more exciting from google, when they announced that they'd be producing something for the open source community. Sourceforge has the occasional problem (CVS stats has been broken for how long now?), but basically it a fantastic site for open source, and easily provides all the services that any OSS project of any size needs in order to function and flourish.

I know google has done amazing things with stuff like webmail (gmail DESTROYS any previous webmail I have used in terms of features/functionality/speed/storage space, so much so that I haven't tried another since and doubt I ever will - if google decided to charge $10 a month for the gmail service I'd pay it in a heartbeat - it's that good :)). However, I just cannot see that they can bring any miraculous innovation to the table as far as hosting/supporting OSS projects goes - between forums, IRC and email, collaboration over OSS projects is already working perfectly and as I see it, that is all that google could help with - they can't really step in and do the actual development work required to create every Open source project out there.

Still, I'm sure it will be all AJAXy and perdy, maybe faster than sf.net and maybe I'll even choose them over sf.net the next time I can be bothered starting an OSS project.

"Sourceforge has the occasional problem" (2, Interesting)

jbellis (142590) | about 8 years ago | (#15794683)

More like, "sourceforge has constant outages, a glacial improvement pace, and the slowest response time of any site I use on a regular basis."

Bring on googleforge.

Re:What a pity (1)

B3ryllium (571199) | about 8 years ago | (#15794721)

Broken CVS speeds adoption of Subversion :) I switched to SVN from CVS on my sf.net project on the weekend, and it's been working beautifully so far.

Re:What a pity (1)

gregmac (629064) | about 8 years ago | (#15795512)

4 days and it works great, huh? :)

Seriously though, subversion has been pretty good for the most part. A project I'm involved in has been using it pretty much since it became available. I've never liked the bug tracker though, and especially some of their other tools, like the forum. We've actually been using Trac [edgewall.org] now for, a long time, which syncs to the sf.net svn server. sf.net hosts our mailing list, downloads, and code.. and we have a wiki (and documentation) and ticket tracker with Trac (along with code browser, timeline, and roadmap).

Centralized logging of communications? (1)

wyoung76 (764124) | about 8 years ago | (#15795275)

Forums, IRC, email, etc. are all widely used as you've noted.

However, I'll hazard a guess that Google has the infrastructure and will to allow all your project members to have all project-related communications logged (I don't mean this in a paranoia-crazed world sense either).

When this new Google product becomes more mature I could easily see a time when a new project will allow you to create/add new members by gmail account or create a new project member account for the purposes of the project.

OT: Fonts, WTF? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794597)

WTF happened to light mode? Now I have to futz around with Greasemonkey to get rid of the ass-ugly font that I thought I'd gotten rid of when the CSS layout changed. What the fuck?

YAY!!!!!! (0, Offtopic)

axlr8or (889713) | about 8 years ago | (#15794605)

I'm dancing, GO human RACE WEEEE!!!!

A Portent Of Things To Come (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794626)

Commercial world comes in and get things right and makes a useful product out of half-assed/clunky but ideology laden open source project.

And the OSI becomes significantly more irrelevant...

Obligatory (4, Funny)

andytrevino (943397) | about 8 years ago | (#15794630)

I, for one, welcome our new overl[b]oooooo[/b]rds.

Re:Obligatory (5, Funny)

andytrevino (943397) | about 8 years ago | (#15794650)

I, for one, welcome our new overl[b]oooooo[/b]rds.

And that, kids, is why we use the 'Preview' button. Durr.

Re:Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15795525)

That's OK, I spend so much time online I render BBCode internally anyway.

One word... (-1)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794659)

LAME

I would have expected more from Google, why don't they just buy a stake in sourceforget?

Re:One word... (1)

dhasenan (758719) | about 8 years ago | (#15794752)

Because SourceForge seems to be dying--no CVS services for several weeks tends to kill the faith people have in you.

On the other hand, I'd have said the same about AOL, too.

Not that I'm arguing with the decision--it's good to have multiple repositories in case one goes down.

Re:One word... (1)

dramenbejs (817956) | about 8 years ago | (#15794979)

I think you meant this in humor, isn't it? One must be careful here... :(

I was going to say that without ads it was nice... (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794673)

...before I noticed what bullshit they slipped in.

I was looking around http://code.google.com/ [google.com] when I took a look at the "Featured Projects". Pirate Island is a blatent advertisement for Dead Man's Chest, though it looks like a legit project until you go to the site. Google also did some bullshit like that with the Davinci Code too. I don't care if they want to advertise it. I have a big problem when they try to trick their users into thinking it's useful content.

Re:I was going to say that without ads it was nice (3, Insightful)

Dan Berlin (682091) | about 8 years ago | (#15794783)

So, uh, what makes you think google created that project

Re:I was going to say that without ads it was nice (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794788)

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Re:I was going to say that without ads it was nice (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about 8 years ago | (#15794838)

It is listed there because it uses the Google Earth API, and this is quite clearly spelled out on the page. The "Featured Projects" section is not a list of Google open source projects, it is a list of projects that use Google APIs or code in some way.

Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky? (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15795393)

Google is encouraging piracy!!! :-)

Of course, I happen to think that's a good thing, ye scurvey dogs, ye.

Brand new look? (5, Insightful)

dedazo (737510) | about 8 years ago | (#15794674)

C'mon now. How is this [google.com] better than SourceForge? I mean SF.net has its problems (CVS servers in the gunk babeeee!) but they've been honing this thing for years. How long is it going to take Google to get to the level of domain knowledge SF.net has? The folks at Google are smart, but they're not experts at everything.

Call me a cynic but I think this is just a way to get more ad revenue. Kudos for them and all, but their offering better be *far* better than Berlios, GNU Savannah and SF.net for people to sign up.

Re:Brand new look? (1)

Bandman (86149) | about 8 years ago | (#15794696)

heretic! ;-)

Re:Brand new look? (1)

IamTheRealMike (537420) | about 8 years ago | (#15794857)

Bear in mind Greg Stein is from Apache and whilst Apache is mostly known for the web server it also does large scale project hosting for server side Java software. So they have a fair bit of experience with svn, bug trackers and the like (i believe apache uses jira - proprietary bug tracker ;)

Re:Brand new look? (1)

PGC (880972) | about 8 years ago | (#15794914)

Actually, they appear to be targeting the 'little' projects; people who merely want a repository for their projects with a small bugtracker. The project pages clearly show only three tabs: 'description', 'issues' and 'source' in contrast to SourceForge where you have a whole jungle of sections.

Re:Brand new look? (5, Insightful)

Wonko42 (29194) | about 8 years ago | (#15794925)

By "honing this thing for years", do you mean "ignoring this thing for years"? I began using SourceForge the day it was announced, and I stopped using SourceForge about two years later when it became clear that they had no plans to fix many of the ridiculous bugs and annoying usability problems that have been there from day one.

* checks SourceForge again

Yep, same issues still there. SourceForge might get the job done, but it's not exactly getting the job done well, and they don't appear to have any interest in improving things.

By the way, Google isn't running ads on the Google Code pages. This isn't about ad revenue.

Give it some time, I think... (1)

Ninwa (583633) | about 8 years ago | (#15795045)

I wouldn't give up on it yet, they just released it. People say the same thing about all of their services when they first release them, but over time through their extended "beta" periods, they just get better and better. They're just laying the groundwork, I bet they have some cool stuff planned. And even if they don't, this service still looks valuable to small projects.

I'm heading off to college this fall and I may use this as sort of a means of portfolio'ing all the code I write during class, who knows.

Re:Brand new look? (1)

xenocide2 (231786) | about 8 years ago | (#15795245)

Maybe the massive difference is that this thing ties into people's online identities in ways that MS passport could only have dreamed of. I suspect the focus will be on improving interactions between relatively seperated developers and new end users. Compare Google's [google.com] "new bug" submission vs SourceForge's [sourceforge.net] , or the default bugzilla mess (and associated identity tracking nightmare).

Re:Brand new look? (1)

keesh (202812) | about 8 years ago | (#15795265)

Well considering Berlios can't keep mailing lists or subversion up for more than a few days at a time, that shouldn't be hard... This [berlios.de] stupidity, for example, is holding up a project release. Now, I realise I'm not paying anything for the service, but this kind of thing is coming close to convincing me that I should be...

Re:Brand new look? (1)

westlake (615356) | about 8 years ago | (#15795338)

How is this better than SourceForge?

I can't speak to what developers need.
But as a non technical end-user, simply looking for programs or add-ons of interest, I'd welcome any improvement on Sourceforge.

but is it open source (2, Funny)

brenddie (897982) | about 8 years ago | (#15794722)

But, is it open source? Not like sourceforge is.

Re:but is it open source (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15794824)

it used to be history [svpal.org]

Re:but is it open source (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | about 8 years ago | (#15795053)

I think you mean "Not like SourceForge was."

Re:but is it open source (1)

rm69990 (885744) | about 8 years ago | (#15795079)

Sourceforge is no longer open source....durrr

Actual news on slashdot (2, Informative)

jaaron (551839) | about 8 years ago | (#15794746)

That was _fast_. The announcement session hasn't even finished at OSCON.

Greg just mentioned that a downloads features will be coming to Google Code Hosting.

Re:Actual news on slashdot (1)

jamie (78724) | about 8 years ago | (#15794778)

Hi. I'm sitting in the room with you :)

Re:Actual news on slashdot (1)

Amouth (879122) | about 8 years ago | (#15794827)

i am there in sprit form.. someone trap it and mail it back please

Next: Googledot? (5, Funny)

bomanbot (980297) | about 8 years ago | (#15794763)

Whats next? An extension to Google News, where nobody reads the articles, but everybody stays for the discussion? I smell a pattern here ;-)

Re:Next: Googledot? (1)

Durrok (912509) | about 8 years ago | (#15795061)

Well in all fairness many people read /. from work as I do. Many of us have thing like Websense or internet usage being monitored to worry about. Unless it's from a major news site I cannot get to the article to read and the usual mirrors are blocked. However my work does not block duggmirror so if I really want to see the article I will post it to digg (Which 99% of the time it is already in queue, if not front paged) and then use duggmirror to view the article when it caches it.

So yes, I commonly just read the comments and the summary of the article in the subject line. I however try not to make a post ABOUT the article unless I am already familiar with the topic they are discussing.

It's all about the issue tracker (2, Insightful)

delirium28 (641609) | about 8 years ago | (#15794794)

I use Sourceforge strictly for the file sharing aspect of it. I use my own provider for my source project (mainly because I use Java Web Start, which isn't allowed by SF's "Terms of Use" for the free hosting) but their issue tracker really, REALLY sucks.

I use JIRA [atlassian.com] for my issue tracking now, and I couldn't be happier. Looking at Google's current offering, I probably won't be switching anytime soon.

pretty spartan (2, Insightful)

hawkeesk8 (682864) | about 8 years ago | (#15794801)

Google will have to put some serious work into their site for it to catch up to Sourceforge. Their site is *VERY* spartan and lacking in features. They use the default, out-of-the-box subversion webdav so when viewing the source there is no syntax colouring and the bug tracker has no features what so ever. But knowing google and their vast resources it probably won't be long, if the service looks like it will garner interest, until new features start showing up by the dozen all with nifty AJAX interfaces.

Read the FAQ (4, Interesting)

dmoore (2449) | about 8 years ago | (#15794804)

The FAQ for Google's hosting service is here:
http://code.google.com/hosting/faq.html [google.com]

Let's see what they do (4, Informative)

BigCheese (47608) | about 8 years ago | (#15794842)

Right now it's sort of an 'eh' service. We've got Subversion, a simple issue tracker and a really primitive home for each project. It's no SourceForge but it is fast.

It will be interesting to see what direction they take it.

Re:Let's see what they do (1)

gnufied (942531) | about 8 years ago | (#15794881)

Yeah there ain't any point in jumping the gun.People would need SSH access and hence can probably probe into google's infrastructure a little more. google would allow that? Why no project page hosting? i mean, just host the files and f**k off, is it? People would need project page hosting. Also, google is a huge beast.What if they started stealing ideas and implement them in house, without ofcourse releasing to public ever.Oh no really i am serious, lets say, one guys starts some cool opensource project and google spots it and hijacks it?

Re:Let's see what they do (1)

BigCheese (47608) | about 8 years ago | (#15794967)

They don't have any build machines so SSH wouldn't be all that useful. You're right though they do need some basic page hosting.

I think Google has better things to do then hijack Open Source projects.

Re:Let's see what they do (2, Insightful)

rm69990 (885744) | about 8 years ago | (#15795117)

Well, if you would take a moment to read the GPL (or any OSS license for that matter), you would know that Google could just as easily do this with a project on Sourceforge, Freshmeat or a random webserver and it would be completely legal as long as they didn't distribute it as a binary to anyone. So what exactly is your point? How is it any different in this regard using any other hosting service compared to Google?

Re:Let's see what they do (2, Insightful)

jtwronski (465067) | about 8 years ago | (#15795291)

Also, google is a huge beast.What if they started stealing ideas and implement them in house, without ofcourse releasing to public ever


Ummm, companies do that sort of thing all the time. There's nothing at all stopping Microsoft, Sun, Cisco, the church around the corner, etc, from hitting up sf.net and getting any code they want to use internally. If they turn it into a product and release it to the public, then there might be a problem, depending on the license (read: gpl).

Re:Let's see what they do (4, Insightful)

linvir (970218) | about 8 years ago | (#15795293)

People would need project page hosting

http://pages.google.com/ [google.com]

They have the majority of the code and infrastructure in place in Google Pages. From there, it's a matter of integration.

Alternative Site (2, Insightful)

LaNMaN2000 (173615) | about 8 years ago | (#15794869)

Like its other non-search offerings, Google is behind the curve on this one. Sourceforge seems to be more feature packed than what Google is proposing, we have already launched a social code sharing site (see our sig) and Koders already searches millions of lines of open source code. Google strategy seems to be releaing me-too sites that are not positioned to be mafrket leaders (Google Finance, Orkut, Google Talk, etc.).

One of the best things they could do is... (2, Insightful)

symbolic (11752) | about 8 years ago | (#15794945)

MAKE IT EASY.

Granted, this is easier said than done, but it seems like reporting a bug or issue, or just providing feedback is a MAJOR hassle. Having to "sign up" and "have an account" just to report a problem is a pain, and then on top of that, having to navigate a labrynthine website to hopefully end up at the right place - I imagine that it turns away a lot of people who just don't have the time or energy to deal with it.

p is projects (1)

mlinksva (1755) | about 8 years ago | (#15794956)

I especially like that they use '/p/' in a url where sourceforge uses '/projects/'.

Re:p is projects (1)

Ninwa (583633) | about 8 years ago | (#15795077)

Yeah, those jerks, how dare they use the letter 'p'!

Re:p is projects (1)

Krishnoid (984597) | about 8 years ago | (#15795474)

Well, at least somebody [sourceforge.net] finally got around to this.

Beating SF ... (2, Interesting)

lintux (125434) | about 8 years ago | (#15795011)

Beating SourceForge shouldn't be hard. Just leave out that terrible mirrors page on every binary download and they're done. I really hope there'll be a day when the SourceForge people will come up with something more convenient... (Just using HTTP Location: header forwards instead of HTML META tags would be a start!)

Re:Beating SF ... (5, Informative)

rossturk (975354) | about 8 years ago | (#15795321)

We've been gathering input on the download system, well, pretty much since it was created. Personally, I find it painful, but there are a lot of reasons why it is the way it is today. That said, a replacement for the download system is currently in planning, and our primary aim is to allow consumers to get what they're looking for with fewer clicks. Our current phases tend to be about 90 days, and we plan to enter implementation in August.

Chris diBona eh? (1)

MadJo (674225) | about 8 years ago | (#15795012)

I hope this gets discussed at FLOSS Weekly or This week in Tech [www.twit.tv] .

Seems to be broken, a bit (1)

DavidRawling (864446) | about 8 years ago | (#15795059)

I don't know how ready the service is for use yet. I've just tried to create a project for hosting the stuff I presently use a VM for at home, and twice it's failed. Each time I get a 502 error; when I attempt to redo the creation, I'm told I can't use the name I had previously picked (presumably it's partially in use).

Anyone had success in the last hour or so, creating a project?

Ugh (1)

Anthony Liguori (820979) | about 8 years ago | (#15795071)

Subversion only, no real mailing list integration, no real web hosting to speak of. The lack of ads is nice but what I really want is more flexible revision control (I'd like to use mercurial), mail man integration (that doesn't lag like crazy like sf), and a place that I can host a wiki.

Centralized revision control is so 2002 :-)

Downloads (3, Insightful)

Threni (635302) | about 8 years ago | (#15795119)

Perhaps they'll make it easier to download stuff from than Sourceforge. Maybe it's me, but a `download` button should let you download something, not show you some of the contents of what a working system would let you download.

At random, look at this project:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/ftimes/ [sourceforge.net]

You click on download...but you get taken off to some other page where you can download, seperately, some of the source files.

Google vows to violate GPL while they're at it (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15795151)

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Whining (4, Insightful)

PGC (880972) | about 8 years ago | (#15795170)

People complain that this Google project does not offer the same amount of features/sections as Sourceforge and thus must be worse. How often is it not that half of the sections on Sourceforge are empty (Documents is a nice example)? Resulting in completely confused visitors... Then are those that say it doesn't offer a project page, while most people using sourceforge do not keep their project pages on sourceforge either. As I see it, this Google service offers exactly what I've been looking for recently: a quick and simple method to maintain my small projects online without any application/approval periods.

Now they just need some OSS naming... (4, Funny)

StikyPad (445176) | about 8 years ago | (#15795235)

"Google Code" sounds way too professional. Might I suggest:

Google Repository for Open-Source Software
Or perhaps Google Open-source Repository Project [wikipedia.org] .

From their FAQ (0, Offtopic)

houghi (78078) | about 8 years ago | (#15795239)

What is code.google.com?
        Code.google.com is our site for external developers interested in Google-related development. It's where we'll publish free source code and lists of our API services.


So it is indeed nothing like SourForge where anybody can place their code.

SF (1)

Vexorian (959249) | about 8 years ago | (#15795299)

I seriously think that sf 's main problem is speed (not when downloading files but when browsing project web/home) And the fact that the user has to deal with a gigantic list of mirrors each time you want him to download stuff. SF sure has a lot of features that currently google doesn't seem to be considering of adding. But fiu I currently don't use most of SF's features. I wouldn't go out to google though I would expect it to actually have a list of OS projects before joining. But I welcome the fact that there is going to be competence for sourceforge that might improve the things there.

So far, no luck (1)

DoktorSeven (628331) | about 8 years ago | (#15795349)

Trying to put something up there, and the subversion password they provided doesn't work (I get an "authorization failed" error from svn).

Could be that I just suck at subversion (entirely possible), but meh.

SourceForge.net and Google Code (5, Informative)

rossturk (975354) | about 8 years ago | (#15795385)

We just finished listening to Greg's presentation at OSCON, and so far we're feeling pretty good about what this means for the Open Source community, and, by extension, SourceForge.net. Because, after all, what's good for the community is good for us. Greg talked a bit about how he expects that users will want to "mix and match" tools that are offered at Google Code, SourceForge.net, and other repositories. This resonates very well with us, and is consistent with our longer-term goals - flexibility is one of the cornerstones of our larger strategic direction. Developers should work using the tools they want to use. We've got a pretty good relationship with the folks over at Google, and I really believe they're launching this because they, like us, care about Open Source and want to see it continue to thrive. We've begun disucssions about integration between SF.net and Google Code - you'll notice that you can't register projects on Google Code with SF.net project names. I expect there will be a much more substantial integration as the community makes its needs known. Thanks, Ross Turk (joined by Jay Seirmarco) SourceForge.net Engineering Manager
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