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Leopard Fake Screenshot Contest Winners Announced

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the as-good-as-the-real-thing dept.

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Austin Sarner writes "Phill Ryu's Fake Leopard Screenshot contest which has been attracting a quite a bit of buzz has just ended and the winners have been announced! While there is a bunch of expected stuff in these screenshots, the entrants did not hold back when it came to trying out crazy stuff — and surprisingly, a good amount of them work great. Ranging from new window styles to a complete rethink of a window based work environment, these are sure to make any UI geek excited. The winners received over $1,000 each in prizes, and were obviously motivated to put out some great stuff. The judges included Wil Shipley, the creator of Delicious Library, David Watanabe, who makes NewsFire and Acquisition, as well as numerous other smaller devs."

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I don't know about you (1, Redundant)

ManoSinistra (983539) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796287)

I don't know about you, but I'm saving my pennies and nickels for the real deal...

Re:I don't know about you (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796298)

Nickels and pennies ??? Apple might be a few version past Leopard by the time you have enough money for it if that is what you are saving.

Re:I don't know about you (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796362)

Re:I don't know about you (1)

Ethan Allison (904983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796640)

I speak for everyone when I say ... wtf?

Re:I don't know about you (1)

kfg (145172) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796711)

Well I know it, and you know it, but go try 'splainin' to them that they're not real leopards.

KFG

Re:I don't know about you (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796478)

Even in a faked screenshot, with all of the filters in Photoshop avaiable, OSX still looks like crap. It's a fucking endless sea of tampons. I guess it's true when they say that you can't polish a turd [unix.org] .

Hmmm (3, Funny)

paulius_g (808556) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796290)

Nothing to see here, move along?

That's sure the way Apple wants it until WWDC!

Look For It (1)

dch24 (904899) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796395)

I see some pretty good ideas there. After Leopard is released, Vista will announce new features for Aero Glass that are either from Leopard or from these ideas. (Did you really think they would ship before WWDC?)

I've seen it. It's rubbish! (5, Funny)

megaditto (982598) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797025)

The problem with young people today is they utterly lack imagination.

Having x11 support 2 mouse pointers at once, one per each hand, would seem such a basic thing. I like having multiple windows, multiple desktops, multiple tasks going on, why do I bloody have to click on one at a time. And how about adding tactile feedback to Finder? I want larger files to feel heavier, I want music files to feel sticky...

Or how about a multidimentional, 3-D or 4-D dock, with focus following your eye direction. After all, MacBooks do have builtin webcams, right? I want to look at the app icon on the dock, blink on it, and get it up!

And why are we locked into using letters to represent ideas, names, and concepts? Why does a picture file have to be named "blue-duck.jpg", I want to make a 3-D blue bird image to be it's 'name', not a string of ASCII crap. And why can't we search pictures and music files like we should be able to? 'Victoria, high quality, find all the music files with voice of Jerry Springer saying 'hello', find all the pictures containing a girl with red hair?' not so bloody hard now, is it?

As a great visionary once said, the Internet is not a truck, it's a collection of pipes. So darnit, for my surfing I want to see some pipes, how they connect, and where they lead to, and what they contain. I don't want to read about Lebanon, I want my Mac to be smart enough to convert text not even into a sound, but into a 3-D VR scene re-enactment of the news!

Why do windows have to look like flat pieces of paper? Why does your computer have to show documents like a typewriter? Why does a PowerPoint have to resemble decades-old slide projector presentations? Why not make it resemble a road, you walk along the road and look at the points along the way, you see what will come next (although less clear), you walk at your own pace, or fly up and see the entire thing? Why do I have to be blindfolded and shown one piece at a time, like dumb cattle lead to a slaughterhouse?

Why not store the session on a plugged-in iPod like Sun's thin clients used to be able to do 10 years ago? Unplug it, plug into another Mac 1,000 miles away at an airport, and keep same open apps and docs restored instantly? What, macs are too pussy to do that?

Sorry for the rant, I do not have many years left to my life, I would so much like to experience an OS I can enjoy!

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (1)

aleander (95485) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797194)

Yeah. Every Mac should come equipped with an artificial intelligence taken straight from Culture novels.

The idea with heavy files is fun. Imagine lifting a 4.7Gb DVD image instead of going to the gym. And using the blink reflex would bring much excitement to the desktop.

Also, a 3D re-eanactment of the war in Lebannon would be very informative. And think about the other possibilities! Think about the stock market report in such a form!

Oh. The blue duckie. 'All Your Base Are Belong To Us, bring me the blue duckie...' wait... no... that's ASCII, just vocalized. I think I should just make a sculpture, paint it blue and cram it into the CD-drive, therefore opening the Blue Duckie.

And to open the stock market report I would have to re-enact the whole day in the market. Hm. That would surely expand my creativity.

The pipes are great as well. Imagine replacing those clunky Firefoxes with an interactive version of the 'pipes' screensaver. *WHEEE*

The road-replacing-slides is a great expansion to the idea of slides. It would be even better in discouraging the listeners from paying attention to actual content.

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (1)

LKM (227954) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797472)

Also, a 3D re-eanactment of the war in Lebannon would be very informative.

I know an even better application for this technology. Type

Me having sex with Jenna J. and Asia C. at the same time

Convert to 3D-enactment.

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (1)

krnlg (990354) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797338)

I would love to see something that follows your eye movements - surely if its not possible now it won't be long until it is..

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (2, Funny)

Nocterro (648910) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797476)

I want music files to feel sticky...
Wouldn't that be porn files? [ducks]

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (2, Interesting)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797574)

The more features you add to an OS the better it is.

That's what I've learned from this contest.

Ignore the fact that the finder, like explorer, it's a fucked up hodgepodge of mixed conventions and metaphors... just cram some more features into to it. Tired of having a desktop or dock cluttered with several windows all viewing the same god damn directory? Well now you can have those windows hidden in finder tabs! Weee!! Now you can forget about currently opened windows even faster!! RAM be damned!

Or what about viewing windows with windows in side of them!! Sure it's not a MacOS convention at all, but wouldn't it be awesome? Ohh, and make sure to put all close boxes on the right-hand side of nested windows... Mac users are accustom to seeing it on the left hand side, and you're going to want to confuse or slow them down.

---

Ughh, but seriously, those entries where full of human factors disasters.

As if OS X doesn't have a enough of them already.

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797749)

how would 4-D be useful in a 2-D environment. please, explain.

It seems that 3-D is about as useful as a dock as you're going to get. Replace the dock with a 3-D rectagle which can shift sides? How about this. Screw the desktop. Put on some goggles and get into VR. Or why not just recreate the whole interface from minority report. Put some gloves on, or more accurately "finger" covers... or something crazy like that. If you don't like looking at one thing at a time, then change the resolution and make each little document on the page only a percentage of the size of the screen. So, basically, get out of your chair and go find a great VR experience somewhere. Or better yet, go read a book by Tad Willaims called "Otherworld" and live your dream there. I think if I was forced to live the VR experience all the time it would get just as old and lame as what we're in now. And already America and prob the rest of the world can't read. You want to "re-live" the experience huh? Have you seen how kids and adults just sit in front of the TV all slack-jawed and glazed eyes? What about when you are reading the explanation of what transpired in the event. Do you have a sexy nude reporter next to your telling you what's occuring in the scene in case you just "don't understand"? What's wrong with being blindfolded. If you want the experience that you're truly describing, why not close your eyes and let all the other senes be simulated as well. I hope that my mac in the future can simulate smells and expell them into the room around me, whether it's a 5 course dinner or air freshner. After that I want to be able to have my mac control a suit so that when I relive the news experience, I can "feel" the action, the heat of the fire or the impact from a bullet. Why not make it so you can taste foods? What you want is a new branch of technology. They way a mac is now should stay as it is now, go create some fancy VR interface that does all the shit that you want. To "walk down a road" so you can see your power point presentation, is like saying that you need to take time to travel from page to page so that you can determine what the text and visuals are on each page. So, I prefer my simple 2-D screen where I don't have to take a virtual walk to empty my trash, which is where I would put your so called "rant". This is a rant. Live and Learn.

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797881)

Blinking to open apps would be really cool for about 2 blinks.

Then you need to adjust to having dry eyes to keep things from opening.

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (2, Interesting)

whoop (194) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797944)

find all the pictures containing a girl with red hair?' not so bloody hard now, is it?

Several years ago I came upon an app on Freshmeat that had a small paint canvas where you would draw something and it would search a collection of pictures for similar images to what you drew. It was pretty good at it too. Draw a head and torso with breasts, it found upper-body shots. Scribble some red hair, it narrowed it down to redheads. So that much technology is out there, somewhere.

Re:I've seen it. It's rubbish! (1)

Frumious Wombat (845680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797982)

IBM demo'd an image searching system about 10 years ago, where you'd sketch the outlines of what you were looking for. Probably hasn't been refined enough yet.

As for music feeling "sticky", I'm baffled on that one. I've owned various media over 30++ years, (sheet, vinyl album, tape, CD, banjo), and sticky was never a desirable state of affairs. However, as long as there is tactile feedback available, then classical should feel like polished wood, modern orchestral (Bartok), like sheet-metal sculpture, Rock disordered with edges everywhere, and Barry Manilow like you're sinking in lukewarm jello while barely heated tofu is poured over your head.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Misagon (1135) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797318)

There is not much to see here, no.

The mockups were made by fans of Apple, and Apple fans love flashy new features Features FEATURES! That is what you can find in these mockups.

If you are looking for good UI design, look elsewhere.

Anyone looking to improve MacOS X should look here first: http://www.asktog.com/ [asktog.com] .

Slashdotted already??... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796308)

I guess that's hosted on the winner of the fake server contest ...

Re:Slashdotted already??... (1)

ManoSinistra (983539) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796316)

Ha! It was up not but 5 minutes ago when I saw it. Wild.

Re:Slashdotted already??... (1, Interesting)

jinushaun (397145) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796343)

It was dugg 2 days ago... This server is getting twice owned!

Re:Slashdotted already??... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796505)

> I guess that's hosted on the winner of the fake server contest ...
har har..

Umm.. (5, Funny)

William Robinson (875390) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796314)

"Well, this guy sure likes Asian women...

Good, I stayed away from the contest. Otherwise, he would have easily guessed, that I like Canadian women.

Re:Umm.. (5, Funny)

daeley (126313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796399)

that I like Canadian women.

This thread is useless without pics, you hoser. ;)

Would it be from (1)

alfrin (858861) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796439)

Otherwise, he would have easily guessed, that I like Canadian women.

Would it be from the massive amounts of Avril Lavigne visible in your itunes library ;)

Re:Umm.. (4, Informative)

shidoshi (567151) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796714)

It's funny how much I'm getting ragged on by a few people out there for the amount of Asian girls in my screenshots. One of the things I wanted to show off was the playing movies in the icon support, by far the most vidoe files I have are Asian music videos, so I chose to go with those. For the rest... hey, Asian girls are cute, I had some images onhand, so that's what I used.

Re:Umm.. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796928)

Don't be upset, sir. It's just the result of the posters angling for a "funny" moderation. Us nerds all tend to think of the same joke, and each thinks they're the only clever one.

(Comment posted anonymously to avoid overrating.)

--Saint Fnordius (456567)

Re:Umm.. (1)

aichpvee (631243) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796941)

It's not a funny joke to make, though. Asian girls: serious business!

Couldn't resist... (1, Insightful)

KlaymenDK (713149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797024)

This is not my normal style, but this *is* /. after all....

hey, Asian girls are cute, I had some images onhand, so that's what I used.

Oh no, you didn't. I bet you had images on screen or in mind, and something else entirely in hand....! ;-)

Coral Cache Link (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796317)

Coral Cache Link [nyud.net]

Re:Coral Cache Link (0, Offtopic)

happytud (991585) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796576)

FIRST POST ZOMG!

Re:Coral Cache Link (1)

toochoos (991616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797437)

Coral _Cache_ is slashdotted already. Damn, after that you won't say screenshots don't attract crowds... even if they're fake.

In related news (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796326)

In related news, /. has announced fake mirror contest. Goatse links are disqualified however.

Alternative (5, Funny)

wombatmobile (623057) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796332)

The site is currently hosed, but it isn't the only fake leopard site [dentdale.com] out there.

+5, Insightful (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796417)

:O

Re:Alternative (1)

Boneburner (697565) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796808)

Pure Genius

Re:Alternative (1)

loraksus (171574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797154)

I like my fake leopard better [vehiclehitech.com] .
That, my friends, is what happens when you play red alert 2 for 9+ hours, take some (more) vicodin and codeine and notice that Photoshop CS has been sitting in the taskbar the whole time.

Upload an XP screen (1)

gravy.jones (969410) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796342)

I would have loved to upload a vanilla, out of the box, XP desktop.

Re:Upload an XP screen (2, Funny)

darkonc (47285) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796408)

I was thinking a text-only screen (perhaps a midnight-commander type interface) -- and a mouse pointer.

Far more efficient CPU wise than those stupid high-res desktops and far easier to use remotely.

Mockups = mockups (2, Informative)

13bPower (869223) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796347)

I've seen a lot of these ideas before. I remember them from all the Gnome3 and KDE4 mockups floating around. These fake shots do look nice though.

Mockups = mockups-Tapier. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796386)

So who came first? KDE4/Gnome3 or these guys?

Re:Mockups = mockups-Tapier. (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796436)

I've seen Gnome3 screenshots before even OS X 10.4 was released. Don't know about KDE.

Mirror (0, Offtopic)

QuantumFTL (197300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796380)

Digg mirror of the story can be found here [duggmirror.com]

<shameless plug> If you need an Asterisk VPS, (or any other kind) check out lylix.net [lylix.net] - guarantee we never need mirrored :) </shameless plug>

Re:Mirror (3, Informative)

phillryu (991579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796407)

Hi, it's my blog that's getting owned right now. That dugg mirror does mirror the winning entry, but does not mirror the entire article with comments + the 2 other winners and 3 runners up. I'm trying to get this fixed but to see the whole thing you guys might have to wait until this cools down a bit... if that'll ever happen. DREEEAMHOOOOOSSST!!!!! ARGH!

Re:Mirror Ob Fight Club quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796606)

His name was Phillryu
His name was Phillryu
His name was Phillryu...

(Was able to sneak a peek, thanks, phillryu. you must admit that this is a better quote than the one where i whip out a pair of scissors to cut your you-knows-what in case you had any questions...=)You *are* familiar with the movie, aren't you?

Re:Mirror Ob Fight Club quote (1)

phillryu (991579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796641)

I've seen it but I have no idea what you're talking about. :P

Re:Mirror (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797115)

01:07:54 up 5 days, 6:42, 13 users, load average: 117.83, 76.44, 37.26

Are you hosted on atlantic.dreamhost by any chance? Took PuTTY about 45 seconds to login this morning :)

And the other pages, too... (5, Informative)

vistic (556838) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796578)

That only has the first place winner... if you want to see the story as well as the other winners and runners up....

Main Page: Coral cache [nyud.net] | Google cache [google.com]
First Place: Coral cache [nyud.net] | Google cache [google.com]
Second Place: Coral cache [nyud.net] | Google cache [google.com]
Third Place: Coral cache [nyud.net] | Google cache [google.com]
Runner Up: Coral cache [nyud.net] | Google cache [google.com]
Runner Up: Coral cache [nyud.net] | Google cache [google.com]
Runner Up: Coral cache [nyud.net] | Google cache [google.com]

Re:And the other pages, too... (1)

QuantumFTL (197300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796631)

Thanks I had a bit of trouble with the coral cache.

Re:And the other pages, too... (2, Informative)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796979)

Coral caches are all dead, Google ONLY CACHES TEXT. The image links in Google cache point back to the original site.

My two wishes for OSX.5 (5, Insightful)

stubear (130454) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796429)

I don't care for fancy visual upgrades, I want two serious propblems fixed in OSX.5. First, I want Apple to have folders merge their contents when files or folders of the same name are encountered. Currently there is no easy way to syncoronize the contents of folders with the same name.

Second, Apple needs to fix their craptastic font handling lack of capabilities. In this day in age it is completely unreasonable to allow fonts to run wild and take entire systems down. Fontbook is a joke and I now see why Extensis wasn't afraid of Apple getting into the font management software business.

These two fixes would go a long way to making OSX a lot more usable for me.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (5, Interesting)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796537)

Yeah dude, anyone who needs to manage their fonts beyond the ability of Apple's ability should not be using inbuilt font support on ANY platform. I might suggest Font Agent Pro. I use it all the time I'm working (newspaper designer) and it is th best out there. If suitcase have gotten their shit together, they used to be pretty good. And apparently linotypes new thing is good, but from reports not as good as FAP (free though).

Merging would be nice.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796551)

Nothing's as good as a FAP every now and then.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (0, Redundant)

Ninwa (583633) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796743)

Modded informative, haha.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (1)

stubear (130454) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796604)

I currently use Suitcase but fonts can still become corrupt and cause problems. Fontbook simply exacerbates the problem. I'll give FontExplorer a shot though.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (2, Informative)

linhux (104645) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796923)

Currently there is no easy way to syncoronize the contents of folders with the same name.
There's always cp -r.

saga:~/test rasmus$ find .
.
./test1
./test1/a
./test1/a/contents-in-test1-a
./test1/a/contents-in-test1-b
./test1/a/contents-in-test1-c
./test2
./test2/a
./test2/a/contents-in-test2-a
./test2/a/contents-in-test2-b
./test2/a/contents-in-test2-c
saga:~/test rasmus$ cp -r test1/a/* test2/a/
saga:~/test rasmus$ find test2
test2
test2/a
test2/a/contents-in-test1-a
test2/a/contents-in-test1-b
test2/a/contents-in-test1-c
test2/a/contents-in-test2-a
test2/a/contents-in-test2-b
test2/a/contents-in-test2-c
saga:~/test rasmus$

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (2, Informative)

MoreDruid (584251) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796986)

regarding font management: you might want to take a look at LinoType FontExplorer. [linotype.com]

it's free and a good contender to the Extensis software, although they still have some polishing to do.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (1)

Eivind Eklund (5161) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797044)

I don't get what you mean by "I want Apple to have folders merge their contents when files or folders of the same name are encountered."

How "encountered"? And how do you want to merge files with folders?

Eivind.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797310)

He want new files to be added during a copy operation (like windows does).

This seems completely reasonable. When you would drag a folder onto a folder with the same name, or in a folder containing one of the same name, the Finder should say:

"Do you want to replace the content of X with the new folder, or do you want to merge the content ?"

[REPLACE][MERGE]

Then, in case of a problem (A file replacing a directory with the same name, for instance), it should pop a message askig what to do:
* Remove folder, replace it by the file
* Ignore
* Move the folder away, add the file [okay this is probably a bit advanced]

Not rocket science, and coutless hours of merging will be saved

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (2, Insightful)

eclectic4 (665330) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797111)

"Fontbook is a joke and I now see why Extensis wasn't afraid of Apple getting into the font management software business."

You don't understand. FontBook is not supposed to be some sort of professional font management application. Never was. Suitcase (Extensis) and FontBook are two different applications used for different things. Suitcase is meant to manage a designer/production person's 10,000 fonts, usually through auto-activation... something FontBook does not do nor pretend to. FontBook is for that pseudo designer that has a few hundred fonts on their machine and would like some easy way to turn fonts on and off as they need instead of having all 400 fonts open at once in some user font folder. It's consumer level (thank you Apple for at least something), Suitcase is Pro level and a commercial application (currently $99). You want a free pro font application, I want a Corvette.

"First, I want Apple to have folders merge their contents when files or folders of the same name are encountered. Currently there is no easy way to syncoronize the contents of folders with the same name."

I'm confused (and so would 95% of the computer using market, trust me). Do you want folder synchronization, or do you want folders to automatically merge contents when you attempt to put two folders with the same name in the same place? You need to explain how this would be done,easily, in a completely non-confusing way for all users, etc... because it just doesn't make sense.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (1)

stubear (130454) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797668)

This is from a post above so it's not directed at you specifically but giv ethis a shot, "...when you do this OSX wipes the existing folder and replaces it with the new content. Try this. Create a folder on your desktop and place four or five sub folders within it. Copy some image files or whatever you want into this folder and pepper the subfolders with similar content, including subfolders. Copy this folder to another location on your system. Go back to your original folder and remove a few of the files and/or folders. Now, copy this same folder to the same place you made your copy then inspect the contents. If you changed any of the contents of your subfolders as well then try your method of copying the contents of the top level folder and lookinto the subfolders. Data is removed during the operation. Both Windows and Linux use the same term "replace" in their dialogs as well but both actually merge the contents of the directories, only overwriting files of the same name after asking. OSX should not do this. This couldn't be more user-unfriendly an operation if Apple tried."

I want this feature to work like it does in Windows and Linux. It's sort of a poor man's synchronization but it woudl be immensely helpful given the way I work.

Merge directories (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797422)

  1. Open directory.
  2. Select all files and directories in there (Command A will do this for you).
  3. Drag the collection onto the directory you want to merge onto. Wait for it to finish.
  4. Wonder why you're such a moron that you couldn't figure this out on your own.

Re:Merge directories (1)

stubear (130454) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797664)

I don't normally reply to AC's but when you do this OSX wipes the existing folder and replaces it with the new content. Try this. Create a folder on your desktop and place four or five sub folders within it. Copy some image files or whatever you want into this folder and pepper the subfolders with similar content, including subfolders. Copy this folder to another location on your system. Go back to your original folder and remove a few of the files and/or folders. Now, copy this same folder to the same place you made your copy then inspect the contents. If you changed any of the contents of your subfolders as well then try your method of copying the contents of the top level folder and lookinto the subfolders. Data is removed during the operation. Both Windows and Linux use the same term "replace" in their dialogs as well but both actually merge the contents of the directories, only overwriting files of the same name after asking. OSX should not do this. This couldn't be more user-unfriendly an operation if Apple tried.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (1)

Archibald Buttle (536586) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797453)

Personally I wish they'd sort out their virtual memory system.

I used to use Navicat a great deal - a tool for talking to MySQL databases. Unfortunately it has a bug or two, and when executing some queries it will get into a state where it starts to eat memory and never stops. If you don't notice this is happening then you end up with an unusable machine - the Force Quit dialogue box will come up, eventually, but the machine will essentially be unresponsive. If you're fortunate enough to have a terminal session open from another computer then killing the growing task would solve the problem.

Similarly I had an XServe running my former company's web site. Apache hadn't been configured very well on this machine, and during periods of heavy demand a few too many apache instances would get spawned, eating up memory. Once again the machine would grind to a halt, inevitably making the problem of dealing with the demand worse. (Once very low limits were set on the number of Apache instances this machine performed OK.) We also had a linux web server which had a slower (single) processor and less memory, but when faced with similar loads it would cope admirably.

Possible workaround (1)

MisterSquid (231834) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797523)

I want Apple to have folders merge their contents when files or folders of the same name are encountered. Currently there is no easy way to syncoronize the contents of folders with the same name

I'm guessing that this functionality is provided in either Windows or Linux. I honestly wonder how it works (little experience with Windows and less w/ Linux).

One possible solution is selecting all the files in a directory (CMD-A is the keyboard shortcut) and moving them into a second directory. In the Finder, you will be told/asked

An item named "SOMETHING" already exists in this location. Do you want to replace it with the one you are moving?

You can choose "Don't Replace", "Stop", or "Replace", with the option to "Apply to all". Choosing "Replace" with "Apply to all" will overwrite the old files, add unique files, and leave files not present in the source folder (but present in the destination folder) untouched. "Don't Replace" with "Apply to all" will only add unique files from the source folder. If you hold down the CMD key during this operation the contents will be merged, leaving behind an empty source folder. If you just drag, you will have a copy of the old source folder.

This is may not be as simple as the implementation you're thinking of, but maybe it will work for you.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797785)

They need to change the font caching architecture seriously. I got iDefrag, a advanced disk defrag here (video guy here,I deal with huge files) with online defrag capabilities and it can show which file has fragments while disk online (in use)

Annex.aux right now have 10 fragments (3.52 mb file,what happened to auto defrag of http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 27903

You can imagine the reports they get from their customers if they added such option.

Half of comment missing (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797813)

(found a bug in Slashdot code, will report it, apologies re-posting original comment)

They need to change the font caching architecture seriously. I got iDefrag, a advanced disk defrag here (video guy here,I deal with huge files) with online defrag capabilities and it can show which file has fragments while disk online (in use)

Annex.aux right now have 10 fragments (3.52 mb file) Of course it is a cache and bound to be fragmented but if I see only horrible fragmentation exist on that file only, I suspect something is done wrong by OS X. I think file is also so highly active that core system can't even try to hot defrag it.

It is one of font caches. This is a very "stock" system and never used in DTP. I can't imagine DTP people's font caches right now.

I don't like the idea of clearing caches weekly etc while having licensed utilities here which are capable of doing it. I notice on www sites and usenet that people suggest cleaning their caches to eachother having problems. While I am about to hit "reply" and explain why clearing cache wouldn't mean anything, I notice the OP posts reply saying "it fixed my problem, thanks"

If you think about half of the market of OS X consists of DTP professionals it is almost tragi-comic that OS X having problem with Font Caches which can even crash entire system.

The professional font company Linotype has coded some iTMS like font utility (freeware), one of the main options of program is to clear font caches. http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 27903 [versiontracker.com]

You can imagine the reports they get from their customers if they added such option.

Re:My two wishes for OSX.5 (1)

MyDixieWrecked (548719) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797790)

FontAgent Pro is the best font application out there for OSX. It performs reasonably well up to about 10000 fonts. after that, it starts to choke, when loading (primarily because it has an option to compare font metrics to determine exact duplicates).

as for merging, that's possible using a great commandline utility called rsync that comes with OSX, albeit, I think you need to install the developer tools to get access to that. Apple's rsync is broken for some things, since it doesn't preserve dates, but there's a fix called rsyncx [macosxlabs.org] that works great.

I don't see why someone couldn't make a contextual menu module (CMM) front-end for rsync integration in the Finder. that'd be badass.

Ah! I get it! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796434)

Leopard the MAC-OS-Codename! Not leopard-the-animal-featured-on-Windows-98- (or was it 95-?) Plus-wallpaper!

OK. Thanks for such a great summary, Neal! Super!

Am I the only one... (3, Informative)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796438)

who thinks that finder looks completely unusable? IANAIDBT (I am not an interface designer by trade), but this really puts the the stupid in Keep It Simple, Stupid. You have to remember that Apple especially would probably like to keep their file browser grandma friendly. I'm sure I could find ways to put something like this to good use eventually, but my first impression was "holy fuck, thats cluttered".

Re:Am I the only one... (1)

bartron (772079) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796466)

So what part of FAKE screenshot didn't you understand? As for the real deal, you can make it as cluttered or uncluttered as you please....just like Windows. Bartron

Re:Am I the only one... (0, Flamebait)

chachacha (833677) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796484)

>>IANAIDBT (I am not an interface designer by trade), but this really puts the the stupid in Keep It Simple, Stupid.

I know this is going to be modded as flamebait, but... "IANAIDBT"? If you have to explain it why use the acronym in the first place? And "Keep It Simple Stupid"? If you're so fond of acronyms why not just type 'KISS'?

Re:Am I the only one... (2, Insightful)

DwarfGoanna (447841) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796572)

It's a slashdot cliche. Which is sort of funny. Er... to me anyway.

Sort of like "I know this is going to get modded down, but..."

It's just that.... guh. Forget it.

Which one? (5, Informative)

shidoshi (567151) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796720)

For mine (the first place winner), I was trying to show off a lot of different feature ideas, so yeah, my Finder ended up being a bit cluttered. We were limited to five screenshots, so once I factored in the Mail and Safari shots, plus Peek getting its own, I just decided to go all out with one main Finder shot. Obviously, in real-world usage, it wouldn't be so cluttered, and everything would have options for turning said features on or off.

Finder is already too cluttered. (1)

argent (18001) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797468)

Finder in Panther and Tiger is already too cluttered. The Metal Finder with he huge space-wasting tabs on the left side is an abomination, and I actually bought PathFinder to try and get away from it... but Pathfinders's even more cluttered.

Give me the Jaguar finder, and stick small, inconspicuous, uncluttered Mozilla/Safari style tabs under the toolbar, and I'll be happy. The "shortcut" capability of the Finder tabs is already taken care of by the ability to drag files into the toolbar, so that's really all that's missing.

I have the same reaction to the "preview tabs" in Safari in another entry. Blah. Put the preview in a tooltip-style popup when you hover over the tab, if you like, or even do a "dock magnify" effect on them... but don't waste my screen space on stuff I'm not actually working with.

I especially like the one... (4, Funny)

jpellino (202698) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796480)

... with the animated smoke pouring from the phillryu server mounted on the desktop.
Oh, that's *real*?
Oops.

dave watanabe (1, Flamebait)

eobanb (823187) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796496)

Too bad Aquisition is a GPL-violating abomination.

Re:dave watanabe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796517)

If you were competent you would know that it doesn't violate the GPL.

Re:dave watanabe (1)

MadEE (784327) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797136)

I am not the parent but I do know "something". This Dave individual steadfastly refused to release any code, banned users from the forums (after ignoring or being abusive to user's emails) for nearly 6 months and only did after the staff at Limewire got involved did he release a version with chunks of code that would fall under GPL missing. For all I know the software may be in full compliance, but regardless of that fact his attitude towards his responsibilities puts me in the mind profiteer attempting to get something for nothing. It will take a hell of a lot more then following the rules to escape the stigma of that in my book.

Re:dave watanabe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797579)

Dude ... the whole purpose of that program is to help people steal stuff. And now you're shitting on him because you accuse him of stealing to write it? You are the world's biggest hypocrite.

BEWARE OF LEOPARD (4, Funny)

RelliK (4466) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796507)

(That's our display department.)

Re:BEWARE OF LEOPARD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796759)

But I'm looking for the route plans for the new bypass.

Slashdotted already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796509)

Now how will MS programmers figure out what to put into Vista?

Re:Slashdotted already? (0, Troll)

9Nails (634052) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796602)

Oh, it's simple. They will wait for Apple to release the code. Steal it. Then re-badge it as an MS product. Standard Operating Procedure.

Re:Slashdotted already? (1)

Kuroji (990107) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797094)

Don't you mean standard operating system?

Re:Slashdotted already? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797236)

Oh, it's simple. They will wait for Apple to release the code. Steal it. Then re-badge it as an MS product. Standard Operating Procedure.


I suppose that means Xerox is still developing platform software, since Apple seems to steal it's best ideas from them... Oh, and Jobsie will throw a temper tantrum.

THAT is standard operating procedure for Apple.

Re:Slashdotted already? (1)

rgravina (520410) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797354)

But Xerox is a lab, and the work they did was research. I believe Apple licenced their technology or just used it if that was permitted, I'm not 100% sure on the details. Either way, that is the purpose of reaserch.

Whatever happened to the idea of sharing ideas anyway? So what if Xerox used a GUI before Apple and Apple before Microsoft. Doesn't mean Microsoft should have to use an alternate user interface. But we'll leave this discussion for a software patents article. Unfortunately there are too many of those! :)

Ah, I can't believe I just stuck up Microsoft!

Well.... (1)

kbox (980541) | more than 8 years ago | (#15796908)

I'm sure it would have been good...

There should be a policy amendment to slashdot story submition guidelines.
Rule#1 Make sure the site is running on something better than a 56k dial up modem.

Acquisition (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15796970)

David Watanabe, who makes NewsFire and Acquisition

I think you mean "well-known GPL abuser [slashdot.org] David Watanabe, who makes NewsFire and Acquisition"

Fake Leopard? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797072)

Do you have to change its spots?

The first change would be... (2, Insightful)

clickety6 (141178) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797153)

... to get rid of the non-intuitive red/yellow/green buttons and replace them with some meaningful icons !

Re:The first change would be... (1)

John Nowak (872479) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797375)

Yes, like an X, a minus sign, and a plus sign... You know, the ones that show up when you hover over the buttons? I suppose we could show them all the time instead of just on hover, but I can't see how a plus sign is any more indicative of "resize window to better fit content" than a green circle really...

And what are all these weird icons in my browser? Two triangles pointing in different directions, a magnifying glass, and a recycling arrow thing? Surely the triangles move the window left and right, the magnifying glass lets me magnify images, and the recycling arrow lets me delete a bookmark... right?

Wait... how DO I move this window anyway? There's no move button... You mean I'm expected to know certain basic things or perhaps even read a manual to know how to use a computer? Insane!

Re:The first change would be... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797663)

Yes, like an X, a minus sign, and a plus sign... You know, the ones that show up when you hover over the buttons?

This is called "mystery meat", and is universally reviled by usability experts.

I should not have to hover over an object to find out what it does. Objects should not be distinguished only by colour (hel-LO, heard of colour blindness?) or position. Yes, those icons damn well SHOULD be shown all the time. That even Apple is consistently failing to meet basic usability standards is a damning indictment of how far their standards have fallen since the days, long ago, when Apple's operating systems were prized for their ease of use, not merely their fluff and eye-candy.

A quick and dirty one with a reason (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797678)

I fired Shapeshifter (theme util) http://www.unsanity.com/ [unsanity.com] , got more than perfect windows XP theme by Max Rudenberg http://www.maxthemes.com/themes/?theme=Mac%20OS%20 XP [maxthemes.com] (free) and fake leopard about box http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/ 30318 [versiontracker.com] (free)

That was a perfect plan including opening a archive.org page with Apple advertising G4 as some supercomputer. (They now say Mactel is 4x faster)

Here is the result which I am not very proud of:
http://img231.imageshack.us/my.php?image=faketestt t0.png [imageshack.us]

I am not a graphics artist of course and my toolset is limited. That is not an excuse. You know why I gave up and didn't work on menu extras and add the trollish (4x faster) to about box? I could NOT STAND TO XP! Yes, I was surprised that as a guy who used PC until 2003, I get psychologically effected by a theme!

If Apple has more consumers like me, they can switch to anything, any CPU and still win. Note I am one of rare people out there which never had virus infection,worm infection, spyware infection in my life.

Bit minimalist (4, Funny)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797838)

All I got was a blank white page and a pointer with an hourglass over it.

Personally, I prefer a slightly richer user experience.

My favourite feature (3, Insightful)

tehcyder (746570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797870)

"Cut" added to the Finder Edit Menu on the runner up entry.

I'm sold.

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