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Lead PHP Developer Quits

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the changing-of-the-guard dept.

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Jasper Bryant-Greene writes "Jani Taskinen, one of the lead developers of the Zend Engine (the engine that powers PHP), as well as a lead developer for the thread safety system and other core components of the PHP project, has quit in a relatively cryptic message to the php-internals mailing list. Jani has been involved with PHP for about 6 years and his loss will undoubtedly be a big blow for the PHP project."

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GNAA Adopts Trusted Platform Module (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797621)

GNAA Adopts Trusted Platform Module

DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway

In a response to the U.S Armed Forces' new initiative to require Trusted Platform Modules to be standard in all new computers in order to better fight CYBERTERRORISM, the GNAA declares it will follow the initiative set by the U.S Army and do the same. President timecop of the GNAA said in a press conference in Gookyo, Japan this morning that "The war on CYBERTERRORISM is something we must take as seriously as Richard Stallman". This confirms the GNAA's new plans to become the most Secure provider of gay sex in CYBERSPACE, and beyond.

The Trusted Platform Modules will enable us to deliver AIDS free, HIV free, cancer free, poison free, battery acid free, radiation free, and most importantly juden-free and perfectly preserved Holy Gay Nigger Seed to our CYBER-Customers, while at the same time protecting them from Al Quaeda CYBERTERRORISM.

GNAA head of Internal Security, Mr supers, Kike, from Israel, commented in the same press conference that the Trusted Platform Module was originally developed in Israel, by jews and that he was very proud of what his fellow kikes could accomplish while under heavy fire from Hezbollah. He also added that "This is however nothing compared to the FACT that my fellow juden developed the Internet while being held captured in Auschwitz".


About U.S Army

The United States Army is the main supplier of bombs and grenades to the juden of Israel so they can kill and murder innocent cute arabic children and women wearing burkas. The U.S Army is also world known for its intervention in WW2, causing the defeat of the Third Free Reich and the liberation of thousands of judenschweine from happy camps all over Europe. The U.S Army has also killed lots of asian faggots in the 60's and 70's and also a small number of sandniggers in the 90's and in to the new millenium.


About Trusted Platform Module

The Trusted Platform Module started development in Israel by jews funded by the OSS in the year 2000. The project was a co-project between Jews and open source hippies and communists from all over the world. It was taken over by the Microsoft Corporation in the first quarter of 2000, as the jews and commies and faggots couldnt agree on anything and abandoned the project after only 4 days. Its current version varies a lot from the original OSS version.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
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Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
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  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

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| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Al-Punjabi
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_al_punjabi@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2006 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

Re:GNAA Adopts Trusted Platform Module (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797696)

It's obvious you put a lot of work and effort into this. Too bad it's completely lame and unfunny. Don't be proud of your work, you toiled and toiled and yet all you could produce was a piece of crap. It's amazing because given enough time, nearly anyone can make a work of art if they keep working at it. But you've been doing this for how long now? And you wonder why your IQ scores are so low.

I'm not try to discourage you from being creative, hell, you might end up with something that's worth while. But "THIS", this is lame and unfunny. I think most people after reading this arn't offended, but wonder why someone would put so much effort into a piece of crap like your GNAA posts.

It just comes off as dumb. And a person is known by their work. Is this how you want people to think of the creator of GNAA? As dumb, as lame and unfunny? They may not know who the author is, but evidence of the work says it loud and clear, "The author of the GNAA posts is uncreative and limp." Is that what you want? Because that's all you're achieving.

GNAA Adopts Trusted Platform Module (-1, Troll)

Danos (819836) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797622)

GNAA Adopts Trusted Platform Module

DiKKy Heartiez - Berlin, Norway

In a response to the U.S Armed Forces' new initiative to require Trusted Platform Modules to be standard in all new computers in order to better fight CYBERTERRORISM, the GNAA declares it will follow the initiative set by the U.S Army and do the same. President timecop of the GNAA said in a press conference in Gookyo, Japan this morning that "The war on CYBERTERRORISM is something we must take as seriously as Richard Stallman". This confirms the GNAA's new plans to become the most Secure provider of gay sex in CYBERSPACE, and beyond.

The Trusted Platform Modules will enable us to deliver AIDS free, HIV free, cancer free, poison free, battery acid free, radiation free, and most importantly juden-free and perfectly preserved Holy Gay Nigger Seed to our CYBER-Customers, while at the same time protecting them from Al Quaeda CYBERTERRORISM.

GNAA head of Internal Security, Mr supers, Kike, from Israel, commented in the same press conference that the Trusted Platform Module was originally developed in Israel, by jews and that he was very proud of what his fellow kikes could accomplish while under heavy fire from Hezbollah. He also added that "This is however nothing compared to the FACT that my fellow juden developed the Internet while being held captured in Auschwitz".


About U.S Army

The United States Army is the main supplier of bombs and grenades to the juden of Israel so they can kill and murder innocent cute arabic children and women wearing burkas. The U.S Army is also world known for its intervention in WW2, causing the defeat of the Third Free Reich and the liberation of thousands of judenschweine from happy camps all over Europe. The U.S Army has also killed lots of asian faggots in the 60's and 70's and also a small number of sandniggers in the 90's and in to the new millenium.


About Trusted Platform Module

The Trusted Platform Module started development in Israel by jews funded by the OSS in the year 2000. The project was a co-project between Jews and open source hippies and communists from all over the world. It was taken over by the Microsoft Corporation in the first quarter of 2000, as the jews and commies and faggots couldnt agree on anything and abandoned the project after only 4 days. Its current version varies a lot from the original OSS version.



About GNAA:
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the first organization which gathers GAY NIGGERS from all over America and abroad for one common goal - being GAY NIGGERS.

Are you GAY [klerck.org] ?
Are you a NIGGER [mugshots.org] ?
Are you a GAY NIGGER [gay-sex-access.com] ?

If you answered "Yes" to all of the above questions, then GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) might be exactly what you've been looking for!
Join GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) today, and enjoy all the benefits of being a full-time GNAA member.
GNAA (GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA) is the fastest-growing GAY NIGGER community with THOUSANDS of members all over United States of America and the World! You, too, can be a part of GNAA if you join today!

Why not? It's quick and easy - only 3 simple steps!
  • First, you have to obtain a copy of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE THE MOVIE [imdb.com] and watch it. You can download the movie [idge.net] (~130mb) using BitTorrent.
  • Second, you need to succeed in posting a GNAA First Post [wikipedia.org] on slashdot.org [slashdot.org] , a popular "news for trolls" website.
  • Third, you need to join the official GNAA irc channel #GNAA on irc.gnaa.us, and apply for membership.
Talk to one of the ops or any of the other members in the channel to sign up today! Upon submitting your application, you will be required to submit links to your successful First Post, and you will be tested on your knowledge of GAYNIGGERS FROM OUTER SPACE.

If you are having trouble locating #GNAA, the official GAY NIGGER ASSOCIATION OF AMERICA irc channel, you might be on a wrong irc network. The correct network is NiggerNET, and you can connect to irc.gnaa.us as our official server. Follow this link [irc] if you are using an irc client such as mIRC.

If you have mod points and would like to support GNAA, please moderate this post up.

.________________________________________________.
| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
| _______a_._______a_______aj#0s_____aWY!400.___ | Gary Niger
| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
| _j#'_.00#,___4#dP_"#,__j#,__0#Wi___*00P!_"#L,_ | GNAA Corporate Headquarters
| _"#ga#9!01___"#01__40,_"4Lj#!_4#g_________"01_ | 143 Rolloffle Avenue
| ________"#,___*@`__-N#____`___-!^_____________ | Tarzana, California 91356
| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
| ____a,___jk_GAY_NIGGER_ASSOCIATION_OF_AMERICA_ | Enid Al-Punjabi
| ____!4yaa#l___________________________________ | enid_al_punjabi@gnaa.us [mailto]
| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

Copyright (c) 2003-2006 Gay Nigger Association of America [www.gnaa.us]

Re:GNAA Adopts Trusted Platform Module (-1, Troll)

Sheltem The Guardian (940038) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797631)

PHP have really pissed off even its main developer :) Hope it understood all the hideousness of the monster he created :)

Looks like... (4, Insightful)

brockbr (640130) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797632)

Looks like someone may need to wrestle their account back

Re:Looks like... (3, Interesting)

giorgiofr (887762) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797641)

That message is as fake as they get... I would guess somebody hijacked his mailbox and had a bit of fun :D

Re:Looks like... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797864)

No no, that is not possible. He is a PHP developer, he can't possibly be lacking in security awareness!

Hmmmmm (2, Funny)

cannonfodda (557893) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797638)

That sounds like one seriously unhappy bunny.


Is it just me....or does php-internals sound painful ?

Re:Hmmmmm (4, Interesting)

AccUser (191555) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797646)

Looks like he is usually unhappy [derickrethans.nl] ...

Re:Hmmmmm (5, Insightful)

laffer1 (701823) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797670)

But that was at a php conference...

Why is it such a shock to some that a developer got burned out working on the same code. Open source developers are often not appreciated. A few get paid and many don't. Its just constant nagging for new features or bug fixes. There are rewarding aspects too. Maybe he wanted to do something with php that hasn't happened. He was involved with thread safety and that hasn't seemed important to many people. Personally I'd like to see thread safe php so I could play with some of the apache mpms...

Re:Hmmmmm (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797884)

Its just constant nagging for new features or bug fixes
...
Personally I'd like to see thread safe php so I could play with some of the apache mpms

P.S. (-1, Redundant)

CptTripps (196901) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797640)

Wow...that was drastic! CVS Pharmacy [cvs.com] has such great sales and deals on the stuff I need...when I need it. I can't imagine what would make someone want to not shop there anymore...

Looks like a stomp and a doorslam. (4, Insightful)

Saven Marek (739395) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797642)

This looks like any 15 year old's "I won't be coming back here and you all suck" stormouts. The ones that happen each week, and he'll be back within a few hours.

Why is this on slashdot?

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam. (3, Insightful)

Klaidas (981300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797651)

Well, I'm not a phychologist or anything, but I think you may be right for the first part of the post - it seems he got angry with someone
I'm sure most people (the ones who matter) can understand why.

But I don't think he will come back, at leat any time soon. After leaving like that, well, at least I wouldn't.

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797688)

"Stuff" rolls down hill. Just look at whom is above him.

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797667)

No, he's serious. He has caught his boyfriend having a sensual encounter with a girl named Ruby.

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam. (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797867)

No, the friend hooked up with Ruby on a long cozy train ride. Rail transit can lead to interesting situations.

Re:Looks like a stomp and a doorslam. (5, Insightful)

hey! (33014) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797781)

It's not that different from what adults do though.

Recently, I read an interesting book by a psychologist named Paul Eckman. OK it wasn't an interesting book, it was a tedious book on a fascinating subject.

A couple of the takeways from the book: emotions are persistant mental states that are triggered by situations that bear on your future well being, and in turn trigger certain stereotyped survival related behaviors. In an emotional state, people do not process new information that would contradict the survival behavior. In other words, once you get to fighting, or to running away, you aren't going to listen to reason until you've fought it out or have run far, far away. The psychologists therefore call emotional states refractory, which is a word I learned from EE "Doc" Smith which when applied to metal means hard to work and when applied to a state of mind means hard to work with.

I've sometimes seen job listings looking for people who are passionate about their work. I'm not so sure this the right thing to look for unless you are looking for a short term employee. All jobs involve having your desires frustrated from time to time. As your emotions build up, your ability to process new information and ideas that could help you overcome your frustrations is diminished, because atavistic survival behaviors related to conflict and survival begin to strangle your productiivty.

In that case, the best thing is to take yourself out of the situation, which in all liklihood your own behavior contributes to.

You can take two people who are miserable and underperforming in their jobs, have them swap jobs, and suddenly they'll feel a great relief and surge of productivity, as they work flexibly around the exact same kinds of problems that had them stymied in their original job.

Unless you're some kind of Zen master you're going to run into this sooner or later. When you reach the point where you can't perform up to your potential, even your potential as defined by the less than perfect work situation you're in, it's time to move on. This is probably why academia, infamous for its harsh and pointless politics, evolved the institution of the sabbatical. But for the rest of us, this means quitting and getting a new job.

The emotions expressed in the email are probably universal. They do not in themselves indicate immaturity However, one thing that you do learn as you get older is when you feel strong negative emotions towards other people, hiding them is the best first reaction. In most cases you cannot change other people, especially if you are terminating your relationship to them. So the best you might hope for from negativity in the way you do this is some kind of catharsis, or perhaps some kind of public vindication. However experience teaches you don't often get those, and when you do they aren't as satisfying as you imagined them being.

Above the simple futilty of showing your anger and disappointment, expressions of strong negative emotion evoke an equal, if not stronger reaction from their targets. Often this ignites a round of petty retribution that comes back to haunt you.

So when it becomes impossible to deal with the emotional climate of work, leave. But always leave with a kind and magnanimous word. In the end that serves you best.

The good ship RMS Code. (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797644)

"Jani has been involved with PHP for about 6 years and his loss will undoubtedly be a big blow for the PHP project."

To paraphrase Dion. "My [code] will go on."

Re:The good ship RMS Code. (1)

NekoXP (67564) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797899)

Undoubtedly be a big blow-job for the PHP project members who forced him out, but I don't think that much Open Source software really reels that much from people quitting anymore.

When projects DIE (OpenDarwin, byebye) that is a bad thing. Everyone quits. The entire infrastructure supporting it disappears, and the code is left to rot. PHP is still going to be actively developed and has tons of project/component leaders. Most software can handle the leaving, or worse a death, of a developer (PearPC is a good example. Being hit by a train is not good for your code, but it's still in development by the other developers)

It isn't as if Linus left Linux.. now that is a project that would flail around a bit. Not because Linus contributes masses of useful code or anything, but he is the guy who puts the releases together and makes the final decisions. BDFL's are hard to replace, how do you replace a dictator these days? War! And after 3 or 4 years, maybe a [rigged] democratic vote.

Message text (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797645)

The server is rapidly getting slower, so:

From: Jani Taskinen
Date: Thu Jul 27 20:28:45 2006
Subject: Good bye.
Groups: php.internals
Thank you all for the last 6 years or so. It has been fun (sometimes)
and many times not so much fun. Unfortunately I have had enough and
I don't want to be associated with this project anymore.
 
I'm sure most people (the ones who matter) can understand why.
If someone doesn't, I could not care less. Take care.
 
Please do not reply to this email.
 
--Jani
 
p.s. Delete my CVS account. I have no use for it anymore.

Re:Message text (5, Informative)

QAPete (717838) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797704)

Rage quit FTL!

Seriously, though, a more thorough listing of Jani's contributions over the past 6+ years might better show just how much of a loss it is to have him depart the scene (from http://www.zend.com/person.php?handle=sniper [zend.com] :

  • as a lead developer for Zend Engine II
  • as a lead developer for TSRM (Thread Safety Resource Management)
  • by testing and maintaining the build for the PHP core
  • by writing/maintaining tests for the standard functions in the PHP core
  • as a lead developer for gd, a core extension
  • by working as a developer on imap, a core extension
  • by working as a developer on session, a core extension
  • by working as a developer on sockets, a core extension
  • by providing occasional fixes for the testsuite distributed with PHP
  • by applying maintenance fixes to the underlying libraries in bcmath, pcre and xmlrpc
  • by providing tests and occasional fixes for xml
  • by providing occasional fixes for apache2filter, apache2handler, apache_hooks, cgi, cli, dba, dom, iconv, informix, isapi, ldap, mcrypt, mcve, mime_magic, msql, mssql, mysqli, mysql, ncurses, oci8, odbc, openssl, oracle, pgsql, recode, snmp, soap, sqlite, sybase, tidy and tokenizer
  • by writing/maintaining tests for mbstring, mhash, pcntl, pspell, shmop and wddx
  • by working as a developer on bugs.php.net

Whatever the reasons were, major thanks have to go to Jani for all of his work. We would be looking at a different www without his efforts.

Re:Message text (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797910)

I'm sure most people (the ones who matter) can understand why.
If someone doesn't, I could not care less. Take care.


He's going to use Ruby on Rails from now on.

6 years is long enough (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797647)

I never spent 6 years with the same people, job, hobby, women, whatever...

Threads?.. bah! (5, Funny)

Tei (520358) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797652)

You only need threadsafe PHP (gettext, gd, etc) if your webpage has more than 1 concurrent user.
Only pages with more than 1 visitor need to ca.. OOPS!

Re:Threads?.. bah! Nah. (1)

bas.westerbaan (917678) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797661)

It's nice to be able to do something more efficient than flock. Yeah, shared semaphores are kind of threading stuff too.

Re:Threads?.. bah! (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797758)

What if your webserver doesnt use threads? :P

Re:Threads?.. bah! (3, Funny)

cuerty (671497) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797810)

What if you are not coding a Website? PHP isn't just for Websites, you can make desktop apps using PHP-GTK or any other programs. I've even had a daemon running in PHP. It's not just matter of Web sites.

Re:Threads?.. bah! (1)

cheater512 (783349) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797933)

I like using PHP for batch jobs too.

Shock! (3, Funny)

bobintetley (643462) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797654)

Oh my god! He used the phrase "could not care less" correctly! Obviously not an American ;-)

Re:Shock! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797687)

Incidentally, I could care less about the usage of that phrase.

Re:Shock! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797768)

Really? How much less could you care?

Re:Shock! (2, Insightful)

dsginter (104154) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797750)

That was the first thing that I noticed.

As a side note, I would just like to thank all of the geeks here on /. for their English Nazism. It may seem like unnecessary ranting to some, but I've learned to break quite a few bad habits just from daily reading. Some people actually go so far as to put grammar tips into their sigs.

Along these lines, I find it fascinating that topics like Haiku and Iambic Pentameter can often get a ton of posts.

A curious bunch, we are.

Re:Shock! (5, Funny)

nogginthenog (582552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797809)

He's finish(ed) :-)

Re:Shock! (1)

kvant (939634) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797818)

Aye...

Im pretty sure he is Finnish.

Pity (5, Informative)

LarsWestergren (9033) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797655)

Harsh words, sounds like there is some personal conflict involved. Or maybe he just got tired and wanted to move on to something different. Best wishes to all involved anyways.

Unfortunate for the Zend team, but I'm sure it won't be the death of PHP. There are many other developers, and you can still run PHP sites with other engines, for instance, the Quercus [caucho.com] engine in Cauchos Resin I'm sure there are similar modules available in the mono/.Net world and others.

PHP Developer (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797659)

PHP Developer, isn't that some kind of contradiction?

Jani Taskinen who? (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797671)

Jani "sniper" Taskinen
Jani worked on the PHP core and the Zend Engine.

Jani has contributed to php.net in the following ways over the last 12 months:
        * as a lead developer for Zend Engine II
        * as a lead developer for TSRM (Thread Safety Resource Management)
        * by testing and maintaining the build for the PHP core
        * by writing/maintaining tests for the standard functions in the PHP core
        * as a lead developer for gd, a core extension
        * by working as a developer on imap, a core extension
        * by working as a developer on session, a core extension
        * by working as a developer on sockets, a core extension
        * by providing occasional fixes for the testsuite distributed with PHP
        * by applying maintenance fixes to the underlying libraries in bcmath, pcre and xmlrpc
        * by providing tests and occasional fixes for xml
        * by providing occasional fixes for apache2filter, apache2handler, apache_hooks, cgi, cli, dba, dom, iconv, informix, isapi, ldap, mcrypt, mcve, mime_magic, msql, mssql, mysqli, mysql, ncurses, oci8, odbc, openssl, oracle, pgsql, recode, snmp, soap, sqlite, sybase, tidy and tokenizer
        * by writing/maintaining tests for mbstring, mhash, pcntl, pspell, shmop and wddx
        * by working as a developer on bugs.php.net

Emotions picked up from reading the email (1, Interesting)

GDI Lord (988866) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797672)

Just from reading that it seems like it might have been a difficult, possibly even painful, decision to make, but now that it's made I think he might be feeling relief about getting out of the project. He might even be feeling like a huge weight has been taken off his shoulders. I don't think he'll rejoin the project any time soon.

Thank you Deanna F'n Troi (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797703)

Now get back in the holodeck and strip.

Re:Thank you Deanna F'n Troi (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797820)

Ok, pleasing image but not something I should be thinking about here in my cube...

No back tracking (0, Troll)

Monkeys!!! (831558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797676)

That sound he hears behind him is a bridge been thoroughly burnt to a crisp.

Re:No back tracking (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797689)

Why? Did he sabotage the project or screw anyone?

He just walked away and as a volunteer, he has that right. Given his intricate knowledge of the codebase, I'm sure they'd take him back in a heartbeat later down the road.

Good riddance... although a sad one! (1, Insightful)

jkrise (535370) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797686)

With an attitude like this, the fact that this chap's leaving, is actually a good news for the future of PHP. No open source project can afford devleopers with such bloated egos. And especially at the top, it's better to have less hot-headed souls, talking in a decent, humane manner.

I could not care less. Take care. Please do not reply to this email. --Jani
          p.s. Delete my CVS account. I have no use for it anymore.


Sometimes I wonder when Linus uses phrases like 'Kicks Ass' 'Couldn't care less' etc., (I refer to his fruity prose in the debate on microkernels) whether he's really suited to his job. Projects like Linux and PHP have a very high reputation, it is unbecoming of bigwigs to talk and act like Ballsmers.
 

Re:Good riddance... although a sad one! (1)

DigitalGodBoy (142596) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797731)

Sometimes I wonder when Linus uses phrases like 'Kicks Ass' 'Couldn't care less' etc., (I refer to his fruity prose in the debate on microkernels) whether he's really suited to his job. Projects like Linux and PHP have a very high reputation, it is unbecoming of bigwigs to talk and act like Ballsmers.

99% of the CEO / CIO / Ballmer-esque level people I've electronically communicated with has had grammar just as bad in un-spun, non-PR whitewashed exchanges. It's not just open source.

Has had? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797807)

Nice grammar, dude!

Re:Good riddance... although a sad one! (1)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797741)

There are Linux advocates at companies like HP, Sun, Google, IBM, etc. Let them do their jobs, and let Linus code. Don't expect the coders to be PR whores.

Re:Good riddance... although a sad one! (1)

MrBoombasticfantasti (593721) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797759)

Sometimes I wonder when Linus uses phrases like 'Kicks Ass' 'Couldn't care less' etc., (I refer to his fruity prose in the debate on microkernels) whether he's really suited to his job.


So why don't you start your own kernel from scratch and try to build up a community of developers? Not that I personally like Linus (he's a little to slick) but he did get 'his' project to the forefront of development. At least give hem credit for that.

Re:Good riddance... although a sad one! (2, Insightful)

ettlz (639203) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797760)

Sometimes I wonder when Linus uses phrases like 'Kicks Ass' 'Couldn't care less' etc.
Come, now. Linus himself admits to being a "bastard". And what does that make De Raadt?! Let's not get bogged down with cults of personality here. On the whole, they do a good job. Long may they reign.

Re:Good riddance... although a sad one! (4, Insightful)

Scarblac (122480) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797764)

If they deliver the code and can keep the project together with their style, then can act how they want. Linus, RMS, Theo de Raadt - they have their quirks (Linus much less than the others), but the code speaks for itself.

Since you're going as far as to question Linus suitability for his job (architecting his hobby project that conquered the world) - where's your wildly succesful open source project?

Re:Good riddance... although a sad one! (3, Informative)

jkrise (535370) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797814)

where's your wildly succesful open source project?

Huh... I made Linux-jkrise.. I once recompiled the kernel to fix some USB CDMA modem issue - does that count?

If they deliver the code and can keep the project together with their style, then can act how they want.

Actually, just a coupla' days back, I remember reading this stuff about a PHP book.
"This book, written by my colleague, Andi Gutmans, and two very prominent PHP developers, Stig Bakken and Derick Rethans, holds the key to unlocking the riches of PHP 5. It thoroughly covers all of the features of this new version, and is a must have for all PHP developers interested in exploring PHP 5's advanced features"

Zeev Suraski, Co-Designer of PHP 5 and Co-Creator of the Zend Engine


Looks like there's more than one creator of the Zend Engine... not just Jani. And that's the reason why I think inflated egos are bad in Open Source development teams.

Re:Good riddance... although a sad one! (4, Insightful)

Mjlner (609829) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797817)

"With an attitude like this, the fact that this chap's leaving, is actually a good news for the future of PHP. No open source project can afford devleopers with such bloated egos. And especially at the top, it's better to have less hot-headed souls, talking in a decent, humane manner."

Bah! You're reading too much into his words. As I see it, what he's trying to say is that the reasons to him leaving are personal, but obvious for some poeple involved. Also, he does not want to start pointing fingers and does not feel he owes anybody an explanation. Perhaps you see this as behaving like a primadonna, but hardly hot-headed behaviour. He doesn't insult anybody in his post, although he obviously wants to and he refrains from whining about whatever he's unhappy about.

Re:Good riddance... although a sad one! (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797920)

Maybe just nerds are more inept at understanding emotions from text than other people? Based on the summary and many of the comments to this story, I would say so. (not that I didn't know it before)

WTF! (2, Insightful)

bloodredsun (826017) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797691)

Must....throw....all....toys...out....of........ pram!

If that is a legitimate message and his account hasn't been hacked then that is a top quality hissy fit! This is one of those things that will haunt him in the future as something that was posted in anger

Re:WTF! (1)

NekoXP (67564) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797844)

Doesn't look like anger to me.

Suicidal depression, perhaps? :)

Betrayal ? (4, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797694)

I'm sure most people (the ones who matter) can understand why. If someone doesn't, I could not care less. Take care.

Dont know much about PHP and dont know the insides of what happens with the group but judging by the reaction I wonder if I can hazard a guess about what happened. When someone who is obviously a major driving force behind a movement of this kind quits with so much bitterness as to turn his back on his own creation, the best I can gather is he feels theres nothing left worth working/fighting for. Maybe internal politics is causing a serious strain on his ability to function and some of the fights may have wrongly undermined his credibility in the eyes of others. Its sad when people hog the limelight of someone elses hard work and alienate the people who matter for their own personal shortsighted gains. I've seen it happen all to often.

What are his reasons? (3, Funny)

slimjim8094 (941042) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797695)

I agree that there seems to be some "personal conflict". The people who matter...and I could care less...delete my CVS...no use for it anymore...do not reply to this email...

Wow, is PHP really that hard to work on? Is he being threatened at gunpoint?? Seriously, why the sour grapes? Is this a hoax? Was his account hacked?
This is not a funny post. This is trying to be serious. What's going on with this guy? If he's just done and finished working on it, he could quit w/o the bitterness. Was he feeling squashed/trodden upon?
If PHP itself (no other factors) could do this to a guy, how much does it encourage other people to develop it?

Re:What are his reasons? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797736)

Steve Balmer threatened to start throwing chairs at him

Re:What are his reasons? (1)

djdavetrouble (442175) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797856)

teve Balmer threatened to start throwing chairs at him

I know this is veering hillariously off topic, but c'mon, what is there really to talk about on this thread?
A million dollar idea for a new TV show has struck me and I need you guys to help me flesh it out.
  Its about two grown men that are fabulously wealthy and yet still are each other's roommates. The catch is here is that both of these characters are based on well known
media figures - Stever Ballmer and Bobby Knight, two guys we know aren't afraid to let the chair loose
every now and then. The working title is, "Bobby and Ballmer", but we havent ruled out the runner ups:
"Chair-iots of Ire", "Chairspray", and "Chair-Chuckers in the City" . Oh what crazy hijinks they will get involved
in, AND, you know SOMEONE is going to get a chair upside the head every episode. Bobby may even
choke a kid or two for comedic relief), and you know Steve will be "shooting from the lip" every chance
he has. There is an opportunity for major wrestling tie-ins as well.

Maybe (5, Insightful)

Ethan Allison (904983) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797743)

Maybe we should stop wondering about him. For all we know, he's got problems with other things in his life. Let's stop making assumptions about the poor guy. If I was Jani and saw all this psychoanalysis going on about me, I'd definitely tell whoever was doing it to shut the fuck up.

Judging him harshly? (5, Insightful)

Enderandrew (866215) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797761)

Let me get this straight. People are making pretty nasty judgments based on one terse post that may or may not be legitimate. And in that moment we forget and discount everything he has done over the past six years.

As a volunteer he gave a great deal back to the world. You call him childish. I say he is entitled to walk away without having to explain himself.

Re:Judging him harshly? (5, Funny)

linvir (970218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797797)

Welcome to the internet. You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say can and will be used as evidence against you in a character assassination on Slashdot.

Cryptic? (5, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797786)

From reading the mirrored post above it just seems terse and upset, but not really cryptic. Cryptic is stuff like "beware of the dwarf" and "under a big 'W.'"

Re:Cryptic? (1)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797828)

Cryptic is stuff like "beware of the dwarf" and "under a big 'W.'"

I'd always heard that about the dwarf, but I never understood why.

Re:Cryptic? (3, Funny)

slide-rule (153968) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797917)

Cryptic is stuff like "beware of the dwarf" and "under a big 'W.'"

That isn't cryptic either... and stop calling Dubya a dwarf! ;-)


Changing Projects (3, Funny)

tgpo (976851) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797792)

He's going to work with Adobe to rework ASP. They feel he can bring a certain *cough* level of new ideas *cough* to the project.

Time to clean house (0, Troll)

amightywind (691887) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797793)

PHP is one of several languages that GNU/Linux could do without. Python and Ruby are others. None of them provides capabilities beyond C, C++, Shell, Gawk, Perl, or scheme. Don't be tempted to use them. They simply divert effort that would be better applied elsewhere.

Re:Time to clean house (1)

teflaime (738532) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797826)

I don't know...the lazy man in me appreciates the ease that PHP brings even if it does let idiots on the internet.

Re:Time to clean house (0)

TeknoHog (164938) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797833)

I think there is a world market for maybe five programming languages.

Re:Time to clean house (1)

Dead Chicken (125539) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797834)

I can't tell if this is a flame or a comment supposed to be funny :-/

Well guess since I'm posting it's not gonna get any of my Mod points.

Re:Time to clean house (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797839)

right. unless you can tell us why ruby is so worthless i suggest you stfu

Re:Time to clean house (2, Funny)

flipper65 (794710) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797841)

French is one of several languages that the planet/world could do without. Arabic and Hebrew are other. None of them provides capabilities beyond English, Esperanto, German or Swahili. Don't be tempted to use them. They simply divert effort that would be better applied elsewhere.

Re:Time to clean house (2, Funny)

linvir (970218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797847)

Down with diversity! Down with choice!

GNOME provides no capabilities beyond KDE. BSD provides no capabilities beyond Linux. vi provides no capabilities beyond emacs. Don't be tempted to use them. They simply divert effort that would be better applied elsewhere.

By the way, being wrong provides no capabilities beyond being dead. Don't be tempted to continue living. You simply divert effort that would be better applied elsewhere.

Re:Time to clean house (2, Funny)

bateleur (814657) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797848)

Wait a sec - did I miss a memo somewhere ? Last time I checked, options were good.

And have you ever tried telling a Python programmer they could use PERL? I'd happily have ten copies of Python on my server just to avoid having that debate once.

Re:Time to clean house (0, Flamebait)

httpdotcom (749192) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797865)

PHP has absolutely nothing to do with GNU/Linux. It is a OS-independent, web-platform scripting language. You cannot compare PHP/Ruby to C/C++ and hope to sound mentally competent. But then, this would hardly be /. and not have an blathering troll running around.

Re:Time to clean house (1, Insightful)

Ender Ryan (79406) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797905)

Well, I don't like PHP either... but seriously, get bent =P

Seriously, who are YOU to tell people what to do with their time?

Predictable response (0, Flamebait)

amightywind (691887) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797922)

Seriously, who are YOU to tell people what to do with their time?

A predictable slashdot response. I am advising people not to waste their time. They should think about the architectural confusion they create by doing so.

Re:Time to clean house (1)

bmgz (849666) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797941)

If I we where expected to develop websites with C, C++, Shell, Gawk, Perl, or scheme I think the only websites in existance would be those of masochists.

Angry Old Men (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797815)

The impression I'm getting with most of these posts reminds me of the crotchety old man who yells, "You aren't entitled to be happy with your job. Just shut up and be thankful that you have a job."

Not only is it okay for people to actually pursue happiness, it's also okay, and healthy, for people to express how unhappy and upset they are. Seems that some people on this thread should take note of this.

z'end for zend ... (2, Funny)

Marbleless (640965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797827)

... well I thought it was funny ;)

From IRC, the reason: (5, Informative)

mkavanagh2 (776662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797829)

"_sniper_" is Jani Taskinen.
<_sniper_> hehehehe..
<_sniper_> all other members of the UN security council wanted to condemn Israel for attacking the UN post but USA (freedom and democracy) vetoed it....Israel says the resolution was fair.
<_sniper_> hell yeah..
<_sniper_> NUKE ISRAEL!
<_sniper_> I'm so full of that fucking country..
<Shai-Tan> indeed
<_sniper_> Eye for an eye..I'll kill one Israel officer for one of ours, is that fair?
<_sniper_> I bet I'll be hanged for that.
<_sniper_> They kill one of my brother-in-arms-for-peace..I think I'm entitled to kill one of their nazis.
<_sniper_> Hezbollah, where can I enlist?
<_sniper_> FYI: I don't care at all what anybody thinks about me. I'm going to be openly anti-Israel from now on. This was the last straw for me. Fuck you jews.
<_sniper_> I will also quit this project. As long as it's backed by some Israel company, I don't want to have anything to do with it.
<_sniper_> Good bye.
<-- _sniper_ (~jani@a88-112-115-63.elisa-laajakaista.fi) has left #php.pecl
Seriously. Not kidding.

Re:From IRC, the reason: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797897)

um... wow... simply wow...

this guy is a bit mixed up.

Re:From IRC, the reason: (0, Flamebait)

paitre (32242) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797903)

IF this is legit, holy crikeys, batman!
This is one of the most unbelievably fucked up things I've ever seen on slashdot (even including Katz's earlier articles).

Israel has the right to defend itself. Frankly, they've shown incredible restraint considering they've been under attack incessantly since they were formed (now, their formation we can discuss the legality of, same with the legality of the existence of the UN in the first place...)

Re:From IRC, the reason: (1)

mkavanagh2 (776662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797919)

We don't need a debate about the wrongs and wrongs of the Middle East. It's simply ridiculous that somebody would quit a project they had dedicated themselves to for years on such spurious grounds.

Is PHP the vanguard of a zionist conspiracy against aryan perl coders everywhere? I would guess "no". But Jani seems to think "yes".

Re:From IRC, the reason: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797909)

This looks like good stuff, beats the other psychobabble/business self-help. What is the Israeli company supposedly backing the project?

Re:From IRC, the reason: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15797918)

Zend Technologies probably? Just a random guess.

Re:From IRC, the reason: (5, Informative)

mkavanagh2 (776662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797938)

As per anon-sibling, Zend is based in Israel and IIRC the two founders of Zend are also Israelis. They're probably not best buddies with Jani now, but I'm not sure anybody was ever best buddies with Jani.

Re:From IRC, the reason: (1)

bytesex (112972) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797928)

People ought to get reasonable and separate a few things that are abstract and closely associated (even by staunch proponents) and therefore difficult to separate, but: Israel != Jews. Israeli companies != Israeli government. Yes, people vote, lots of jews live in Israel (even though most of jews don't), lots of money flows (from Israeli people, from Israeli companies, from overseas sponsors) to the state of Israel, but in the end the person responsible for a killing is the person who pulled the trigger, and the person who gave the order to do that. Responsibility doesn't come from supplying money (which is given in good faith, or at the threat of punishment, and used for many things anyway) or from voting (only retro-actively, that is). Yes, it looks like somebody had a bad day, and anyone is free to quit any project for whatever reason they choose, and making emotional decisions can be a very good thing, but mixing up responsible parties just clouds one's judgement, and isn't good for anyone.

Re:From IRC, the reason: (1)

GothicX (839689) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797939)

He's sniper, so he will head-shot someone.. :-)

Re:From IRC, the reason: (2, Interesting)

Vorondil28 (864578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797940)

Can anyone corroborate this with logs of their own, or is this just a troll? (Leaning towards troll...)

Move along (3, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797853)

Lead developer for Zend engine of PHP quits... pandemonium and chaos ensue!

Please! Happens all the time; guy/gal works on project for a zillion years, sits down one day in front of their terminal, calls up the code, gives it a glance and goes: I can't freakin' do this anymore! I worked on one project for three years and it was blessed when I was finally released from my contract and moved on to other things. I was proud of the app, don't get me wrong, but if I had to finagle the code yet again for the umpteenth time, I was going to lose what remains of my mind.

Whatever the reason, he's gone. Move along... nothing to see here.

Re:Move along (1)

C_Kode (102755) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797883)

Actually, by the sound of the email it sounds more like a getting fed up with an internal power struggle and nothing to do with getting tired of coding on a project.

Re:Move along (3, Insightful)

Billosaur (927319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797925)

To me, same difference. It doesn't matter what the root causes are: slow coding, bugs, power struggles, idiotic requirements. There comes a point where coding the same thing day in and day out given all that's going on around you is impossible. It sucks your energy and creativity away, until the code all blurs together you and can't even remember what you wrote five minutes ago.

Re:Move along (1)

mkavanagh2 (776662) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797888)

Look above. We know the reason.

Cryptic? (2, Insightful)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797861)

Relatively cryptic? I think it couldn't be clearer.

Rough with the smooth (2, Insightful)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797902)

I don't know about anyone else, but somedays you love the project you're working on and other days you wish it would burn down, fall over and sink into the swamp.

He's probably not serious.

F*ck you (-1, Redundant)

Aqua OS X (458522) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797924)

"F*ck you, F*ck you, F*ck you, you're cool, F*ck you, I'm out"

No one seems to care (1)

Rob Kaper (5960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15797927)

So far it's Slashdot 59 - php.internals 0. Check the php.internals [php.net] group.. no one seems to care, or at least no one feels like it's appropriate to respond. You'd think there would be more public outcry in the PHP community?
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