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How Have You Equipped a Tiny Server Closet?

Cliff posted more than 8 years ago | from the space-at-a-premium dept.

Hardware Hacking 81

BenEnglishAtHome asks: "One of our remote offices will soon be gutted/rebuilt and our local IT staff managed to fumble the political ball. Our server closet is being reduced to 45 square feet and there will be no more unused desk space that can be occupied by visiting techs. Result? That 45 square feet must house 3 desktop-size servers; 3 UPSs; a fully-adjustable user workstation that includes separate adjustments for work surface height, keyboard height, and keyboard angle as well as a big ergo chair; an area suitable for workstation diagnostics; a good KVM switch; 2 monitors, keyboards, mice, and laptop docking stations that must be simultaneously available; and some amount of small item storage, while still having enough room for a door to swing into the roughly square room. The only bright side is that I can have all the A/C, power, and LAN drops I want. Has anyone managed to find and deploy a freestanding server rack/workstation/furniture system (probably something L-shaped) that can perform this many tasks in such a small space?"

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Suggestion: (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15803232)

Start having lots of conversations in earshot of management about electrical fires.

Re:Suggestion: (1)

creimer (824291) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803262)

Or as a hiring manager told me during a job interview for a QA position in a very small lab, it would be fatal to take a big, smelly fart in that room.

Re:Suggestion: (1)

BluBrick (1924) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804076)

it would be fatal to take a big, smelly fart in that room.

To paraphrase George Carlin, you don't take a fart, you leave one!

Re:Suggestion: (1)

cyanics (168644) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803354)

And water as a fire suppression system.

Re:Suggestion: (4, Informative)

pla (258480) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803443)

Start having lots of conversations in earshot of management about electrical fires.

And on a more serious note, start talking to management about the wisdom of putting a human in the server room.

We have a similarly sized server room at my workplace, a bit more horsepower though. And we can't actually work in there for any length of time due to OSHA regs - It stays a nice comfy 86-88db in there all the time. If (when, I should say) we need to replace a server, we would need to wear earplugs to legally stay in the room long enough.

Your boss might not care about pesky little problems like the Pauli Exclusion Principle*, but when it comes to OSHA, employers tend to go out of their way to do things the "right" way (and if not, you can guarantee they will the second time).

* Yes, I know - Laugh, don't take it literally.

Re:Suggestion: (1)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15808769)

start talking to management about the wisdom of putting a human in the server room

It's only for one person, one day a week, who will typcially spend less than 4 hours in the room. Oddly enough, while we won't put someone in a non-ergo chair with a non-adjustable work surface, we frequently don't care squat about other issues. Example? In our main server room, we have a completely screwed up air handling system that keeps the air pressure in the room much higher than the rest of the floor. It is *very* difficult to open the doors. I'm over 300 pounds and strong, and it's a struggle for me. Under no circumstances could someone in a wheelchair manage to get it open.

I actually posted on the doors various quotes from the ADA-related regulatons that the doors violated. I also formally objected through proper channels; this is an installation for a federal agency, so we have plenty of formal channels for such things. The bottom line was this - when the time came to sign off on the work, the response of the General Services Administration official overseeing the work was "We're the federal government. We don't have to obey the law." That's an almost direct quote.

I really can't imagine an objection based on ambient noise levels will get much traction.

Another recommendation (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803234)

I would store the servers outside the closet and convert the closet into a fully stocked bar.
By piping the A/C through, you can keep your beverages at a perfect temperature.

If you have any remaining space, you could install a dockable sweet trolley to take your refreshments mobile.

If your boss asks, just tell him your servers were claustrophobic.

Re:Another recommendation (1)

Nik13 (837926) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804022)

Good idea.

And I was going to recommend tiny servers and umpa lumpas...

Lab A/C system as Wine Cooler (2, Interesting)

billstewart (78916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804048)

Back when I had a lab, there was a time that the A/C system in the ceiling croaked and they had a free-standing A/C unit as a stopgap until they got it fixed. It had a bunch of tubes [] in the back and an opening in the front where the cold air came out. And my department had a sales guy who was a wine expert, had a small Napa Valley winery with a couple of friends, and did occasional evening winetastings after work. So there was obviously one thing we had to do with the A/C unit, which was to chill a couple of bottles of interesting white wine, as a change from our usual reds. Worked real fine.

Huh??? (4, Funny)

Black Parrot (19622) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803240)

I've heard of "earth closet" and "water closet", but I'm aghast at the idea of a "server closet".

All the same, I'd equip it with toilet paper and hand soap, just like the others.

Re:Huh??? (2, Funny)

cptgrudge (177113) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803483)

Well, it's pretty simple. This is where you put your POS servers. Granted, they won't go away, but maybe they'll be bricked up behind a wall?

Re:Huh??? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15803539)

This is what I've done in my 1 bedroom apartment, create a server closet. I've put a couple boxes in there, reduces the noise and doesn't create enough heat to be a problem.

Shelve 'em (5, Insightful)

ErikTheRed (162431) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803252)

Well, since your first problem is that your servers aren't rack-mountable (or, if you can get conversion kits, rack-mount them and forget the rest of this), your next best bet is some good shelving. I've purchased some heavy-duty 4' x 18" stainless steel shelves from Costco for about $75 a set. Each shelf can hold 500 lbs if necessary. Find a way to attach the shelves to the wall (several half-inch-thick zip-ties screwed into the wall studs works well), and use cargo straps (the kind with built-in ratchets to tighten them) to attach the servers to the shelves. Very space-efficient and sturdy.

Re:Shelve 'em (2, Insightful)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803331)

Why use a free-standing shelf? I wouldn't think those would be nearly as sturdy as a shelf that's actually mounted to the wall, and from your description, it sounds more expensive to use free-standing shelves, too.

My server closet is built using steel mesh shelves available at any Lowes or Home Depot. You mount three or four vertical strips with little slots, then the shelf brackes drop in and slide down, locking them into place. The shelf brackets, in turn, snap onto the wire shelves themselves. Takes a couple of hours the first time you do it---a little longer if you have to shorten the length of the shelves with bolt cutters---but once the vertical pieces are in place, you can add shelves at any time, raise them or lower them, etc. You can cut them off to whatever length you need relatively easily, and you can use extra shelves as bookshelves above the desk if you want.

Wall-mounts versus utility shelves (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804378)

Generally -- and obviously I don't know the specs on what kind of shelves you used -- freestanding shelves can hold a lot more weight than wall-mounted ones. With any kind of wall-mounted system that's not somehow supported on the forward end by the floor, you're going to be putting a lot of torque on the points where it attaches to the floor.

Depending on how much weight you're considering putting on the shelves, that may or may not be acceptable. Desktop computers used a servers probably aren't heavy enough, even if you fill up a shelf full of them, to rip wall-mounted shelves of the type you're talking about from the wall. But UPS units -- filled full of big Pb-acid batteries -- probably could.

Plus, using freestanding shelves in an office environment might be less of a pain: it might not require having maintaince come in for the install, like you might have to do if anything was being screwed into the walls, for instance. Particularly true if the walls are not traditional drywall-over-wood, for example if they're concrete or use steel studs, or if there is a lot of infrastructure in the walls that they need to worry about before drilling.

However, in terms of space-efficiency, I think you're very right about wall-mounted units requiring less floorspace. In any situation where space usage has to be maximized, I think effective use of shelving and other modular systems (pegboard, slatwall, etc.) are a must.

Correction: torque is on walls, not floor. (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804387)

Okay, I had a bit of a brain-fart in the first paragraph (even though I previewed). I meant:
Generally -- and obviously I don't know the specs on what kind of shelves you used -- freestanding shelves can hold a lot more weight than wall-mounted ones. With any kind of wall-mounted system that's not somehow supported on the forward end by the floor, you're going to be putting a lot of torque on the points where it attaches to the walls .
Sorry about that.

Re:Correction: torque is on walls, not floor. (1)

dgatwood (11270) | more than 8 years ago | (#15834990)

The problem with free-standing shelves is that there is usually either no cross-bracing or inadequate cross-bracing. Hanging shelves are inherently cross-braced because the wall boards keep the studs from flexing much (and the studs themselves are thick and are fastened to horizontal studs at the top and bottom, which in turn, are fastened to the floor, which isn't going anywhere). Most of the stand-alone shelf failures I have seen result from not having any good way to prevent the four vertical posts from tilting. Thus, under sufficient weight, they fall sideways as they fall down.

Re:Shelve 'em (2, Informative)

Fallen Kell (165468) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803811)

Yes, shelve them, but in a rack. Just about any system out there is either rack-mountible or capable of being placed on a shelf in a rack. Shelve them yes.

So lets see, 3 desktop sized servers and their UPSes should easily fit in a rack. Just make sure you get shelves that can handle the weight of the UPSes (unless the UPS is already rack-mountible, in which case, just get the rack kit for them). Get yourself a good slimline rack-mount KVM to place in there as well.

For item storage, get yourself a rolling cage bin. Something like this [] would work very well. You can get 2 or 3 of them and have that lined up right next to each other if you had wheels on them (at option), and then when you need to get to the other ones, just roll the ones in front of it out of the way.

I agree with others that say no deskspace in there. Maybe a temporary work area for doing a quick system setup/build, but not as a true "office cubicle" where you will have someone stationed in the room. Which brings up the actual need for an ergo table. There is no point in having an ergo table in a room like this asside from to waste space. You might want an ESD bench like this [] so that you can safely work on your computer equipment.

I would also look into getting a second rack for expansion room/capacity and make sure the KVM you purchase has room for at least 8-12 systems, that way you should really only need that one KVM to connect to every major system in the room. A second spare monitor/keyboard can be purchased with extention cords so you can connect that to a second system if need be (and as backup to the KVM in the room).

Racks, and rack-servers, and desks. (2, Informative)

billstewart (78916) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804163)

19" racks are your friends. Most standard equipment fits in them, if you buy the right shelves, and having one makes it easier to convince your bosses to let you buy rack-mountable servers. Moore's Law means that they'll be a lot faster and cheaper than the three servers you have now, with much bigger disk drives. I'm assuming your UPSs are the el-cheapo type that support desktop PCs - put them on the bottom shelf of your rack because they're heavy and might leak, and make sure that whatever else you do, your DHCP and DNS servers are on a UPS - you may want to get a spare laptop to run those services separately from your other servers.

Since you don't have enough space, you'll need to deal with front&back access issues - if you're not in earthquake country, you probably should get a rack with wheels on the bottom (out here you'd need to bolt your racks to the floor or walls, so that means getting racks with no doors on them.) Metro shelves are also nice, but if you've got any significant amount of rack equipment (routers, etc.) real racks are a better choice.

Depending on how badly you lost the political infighting, I'll second the recommendation that you don't want to have to work in the server closet - they're usually noisy, hot, and often badly lit. Get a basic desk for the closet, so you've got some junk-storage drawers, and run VNC or equivalent on your servers so you can spend 98% of your administrative time at a regular desk where you can interact with your coworkers, and only hang out in the server room when you want to be uninterrupted or are playing your own political games.

I built a 200-square-foot lab about 10 years ago - Plan A was to spend $300 at the local furniture store for some Metro shelves and a couple hundred dollars more for a couple of good sturdy tables. Unfortunately, the Corporate Real Estate Gods decided that we had to go through a Corporate Furniture Consultant, and also get racks that bolted to the floor. I found it annoying that the Furniture Consultants called their product "Workstations", but since we ended up having to pay $900 per seat for the desks and got the PCs that went on them for $500/seat, the desks won the title of "workstation". And since we had to do lots of bureaucracy to get our racks purchased and installed, we got two of them, which was quite useful after a couple of years. Later we recycled a table from some former conference room, because we really did need a basic table.

mobile rack might be a way to go (1)

Fry-kun (619632) | more than 8 years ago | (#15806447)

Good idea on the shelves, but I wouldn't recommend stationary ones

Instead, the items you need are:
1) Mobile rack (as tall as would fit in your new room)
2) Shelves for the said rack
3) Tetris skills ;)

Simply place the desktop-sized servers on the shelves at the top of the rack and the UPSes at the bottom, and use the middle for hot-pluggable stuff. You might even be able to place a few actual rackmount cases before you run out of space
There are some 1U racks that act as a combo KVM/keyboard/monitor - very compact and useful (albeit not very cheap)

I'm not really sure why you need a desk and an ergonomic chair in the server room, as 95% of network administration and maintenance is nowadays done remotely...

Re:mobile rack might be a way to go (1)

HTH NE1 (675604) | more than 8 years ago | (#15816789)

Instead, the items you need are:
1) Mobile rack (as tall as would fit in your new room)
2) Shelves for the said rack
3) Tetris skills ;)

Most Tetris pieces don't have cables attached.

Re:mobile rack might be a way to go (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15817595)

... and if you do it perfectly, it'll all dissappear!

I think I speak for everyone... (4, Funny)

isecore (132059) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803256)

... when I say: "my home is my server closet!"

hey, it works the other way around as well. Now, where'd I put that CAT-6 cable...

stupid suggestion... (4, Insightful)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803268)

Reverse the door. You'll want pinned hinges so the room's still secure, but that'll buy you a LOT of extra space.

Virtualize... and use Wall mounted racks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15803269)

You shouldnt need "desktop servers". You can virtualize all 3 into a 1 or 2U dual core dual cpu rack mount server... and then use wall mounted vertical racks. They are 19" racks that are about 8-12u deep and are bolted on the wall. a few of these up above peoples heads, with a 4 or 8 port KVM over IP console with built in LCD will take care of what you need in less than 10ft sq.

If you switch from the desktop servers to small Sun 2100 or 4100s, you can also reduce space considerably.

And get rid of the 3 UPSs. 1 rackmount UPS will over all 3 and all the network equipment and all the KVMs on 1U (Like a powerware 5115 or maybe a model higher).

A "server" should never be a "desktop server"

Re:Virtualize... and use Wall mounted racks (0, Redundant)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803433)

Multiple 1U servers and a rack-mount UPS mounted above head-level on wall units. Buddy, I have one work for you: hernia.

Re:Virtualize... and use Wall mounted racks (1)

Techiegeeks (643964) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803718)

1U servers? Come on, don't be a pussy!

Virtualize (4, Insightful)

digitalhermit (113459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803276)

If your workload per server is light enough, then buy 1 decent server with RAID and lots of memory and CPU. Virtualize the machines on this new server. Put in a Ethernet remote management card. This will allow you to forego the monitor and access it remotely. Make sure this machine is fully redundant and hot-swappable. Now instead of 3 servers you have one. You don't have to actually enter the server closet. For even more space, mount the unit up above.

Colocation (1)

TheOtherChimeraTwin (697085) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803578)

Since you don't have the room, put the servers in somebody's colocation facility. You can get the servers and UPS in a proper environment.

Re:Virtualize (1)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15816923)


Not an option. I don't own or admin the servers. They belong to our corp lan admins; the most I've ever been aked to do with them is power down or up when electrical service is going to be/has been interrupted. I'm just a lowly desktop technician. Normally, when I visit the office I just plop down at an unused workstation and, if I need more space, I can take over an interview room. No longer. After the rebuild, there will be no more room for me to camp out in the office space controlled by the customer-facing divisions. The corp lan guys, however, have offered to let me use the server closet on an occasional basis so I'll at least have a place to sit. In return, I'm going to have to spec the furniture. Furniture suggestions, basically, are what I was soliciting in the original question.

Tiny? Closet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15803288)

However tiny it is, its time to come out of closet - its a free world after all!

How big is desktop-sized? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15803310)

And how powerful do these servers need to be? My server closet has a Mac mini installed and otherwise forgotten about. Three units that size and you're set. Make one of the monitors an iMac and you've also got one server covered by effectively the monitor. Cheap and power-efficient. If disk speed is your priority, Mac mini isn't a good option however :-)

silly questions (2, Insightful)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803342)

Are you /sure/ you need 3 UPSs and not 1 big one?

Just because you have a big ergo chair now, do you really need to keep it?

PS - you're insane if you put 3 desktop sized servers in that room. Replace 'em with 3 rackmounted servers and a 1U LCD/keyboard/trackball/KVM.

We have a server closet (4, Funny)

dtfinch (661405) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803343)

Roughly same dimensions. 8 systems. 3 24 port switches. And a security system with a monitor that can't be turned off independently.

I've mentioned several times that it'll all go to hell when the small single room household A/C dies. They won't even approve my offsite backup plans. There is a backup server, but it too is in the server closet. They even had a heating vent going into the server closet until I convinced them to seal it this last winter, after it reached the 90's during the coldest time of year.

The thing gives me nightmares. I imagine the A/C failing, the servers dying, and the room catching fire and taking the building with it.

Re:We have a server closet (1)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803353)

Relax, you've made your objections in writing, right?


Re:We have a server closet (1)

electronerdz (838825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803421)

They'd go up in flames along with the building. Unless they keep their paperwork offsite and not their backups.

Re:We have a server closet (1)

Clover_Kicker (20761) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803453)

> They'd go up in flames along with the building

Excellent point.

Maybe he should keep copies at home, everyone will be very impressed when he does the happy dance on the smoking ruins of the building, waving his memo and screaming "I TOLD YOU SO! I TOLD YOU SO!"

Re:We have a server closet (1)

chris_eineke (634570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803507)

The thing gives me nightmares. I imagine the A/C failing, the servers dying, and the room catching fire and taking the building with it.
But... wouldn't that be your dream come true? :P

Re:We have a server closet (3, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803612)

The thing gives me nightmares. I imagine the A/C failing, the servers dying, and the room catching fire and taking the building with it.
But... wouldn't that be your dream come true? :P

No, they decided it was easier just to give him back his stapler.

Re:We have a server closet (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803639)

and then he used it stape all of his tps reports together and stuffed then in to the small ac vent.

Re:We have a server closet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15803567)

Dude - fix this or get the heck out of there, before it burns down and you get blamed for *everything*. You're a scapegoat waiting to happen.

Re:We have a server closet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15803646)

The thing gives me nightmares. I imagine the A/C failing, the servers dying, and the room catching fire and taking the building with it.

I call those "laughmares" because I wake up laughing my head off.

Re:We have a server closet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15836925)

stfu dtfinch.

trolls are watching

lose the desk? (1)

fred fleenblat (463628) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803351)

Maybe move the work area into a nearby cubicle.

Lot of server rooms have no's for servers after all.

Right... (4, Interesting)

CXI (46706) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803363)

Has anyone managed to find and deploy a freestanding server rack/workstation/furniture system (probably something L-shaped) that can perform this many tasks in such a small space?"

Yes, it's called a rack and a desk. You can find both of them available from retailers the world over. Seriously, this question is... trivial. It's all up to how you want to arrange things. As others have suggested, you could buy a seriously powerful multicore system with plenty of RAID storage that takes up under 4U for a few thousand dollars. Ok, so put it in the rack with the UPSs on the bottom (wait, do you need them all anymore?), a shelf with a monitor and KVM (because you only need it for emergencies, since you should connect in normally by remote) and we just used up under 12 square feet. That's a lot of room left for a desk and chair! Even if you don't want to buy a new server, then buy a few more shelves for your rack and stick them in it standing up.

I have five machines, one of which runs five other VMs, several UPSs an LTO-3 backup system, two ancient mini-fridge sized servers and a KVM all taking up less than 25 square feet. Half of that is the two ancient servers I'm about to get rid of. It's not that hard...

Re:Right... (1)

the_humeister (922869) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803720)

Sure, but do you also have a mini-bar in there?

Re:Right... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15805471)

Yes, it's called a rack and a desk.
And if you go shopping in a store for music studio equipment, you'll find that they offer desks with integrated racks.
I don't quite get why the original requirement was 3 Servers and 3 UPSes.

Small areas = verticle space (2, Informative)

cyanics (168644) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803372)

I have done it several times, although never to also include a diagnostic station, but i would strongly recommend that you think above the ground. In a 45' room, you would barely be able to fit one rack mount system. But if you are concerned primarily with desktop systems, then you can do 3 ties of shelving just large enough to hold a tower securely. Adjustable shelving might be a godsend.

Also, a small adjustable angle table (drafting table) might make it so that you can acomplish work when necessary, and also fold away when not in use. Use LCD monitors, flat mounted against the wall to conserve desktop space. Place the KVM on a shelf right next to the monitor, and run the cables (pre-wired) to the positions where you would be putting the servers. Run the cables through conduit to decrease clutter. Keep switches and networking gear closer to the ceiling, than to the floor. Ladders and step stools can be folded away when not needed to access those points. Keep all clutter put away, filing cabinets are a good double for extra space when needed.

As far as accessories, it really depends on what type of test equipment you need. I keep a gutted Athlon XP box on the floor around my server room, just for plugging in drives and accessories for testing. The KVM is probably the most important extra little bit though, get one that has atleast 5 attachments.

Keep everything neat and tidy, and you will be surprised at how much space a 45sqft room can provide.

Re:Small areas = verticle space (1)

Sam Nitzberg (242911) | more than 8 years ago | (#15808833)

You can use a 1U Rackmount KVM Switch.
There are also things like this:

1U 17" Rack Mount LCD Monitor 8 Ports KVM Built In Dual Rail itor-8-ports-kvm-built-in.html []

which is a 1U slide-out tray with LCD with built-in KVM switch. Big space-saver.

I just grabbed this link off a search. I'm not connected with them.
You might want to do your own google on the text string above to not punish their server...

ever been to Sam's Club? (4, Informative)

TheSHAD0W (258774) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803387)

They have these really great baker's racks that can handle hundreds of pounds per shelf, and will allow airflow around the computer cases. The wireframe racks are great to hook pull-ties around too, makes the cabling neater. Casters on the feet mean you can roll 'em around to access the back. You can probably put everything on it, excepting for your monitor and keyboard; and with the space savings you ought to be able to fit a small desk in there.

Several other people have recommended rack setups, and for ultimate reliability and neatness I'd have to agree; but if your budget is small a backer's rack will do the job.

Server "Closet" (1)

electronerdz (838825) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803402)

My server room in my house is quite literally in a closet. You can see it here [] . I've only got three servers at the moment. The last one is on the floor. I need more shelving. I also need to clean up the wiring.

Memos, Memos and more Memos (4, Insightful)

Opportunist (166417) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803406)

Write down every even remotely possible hazard this could lead to (electrical fires and server failings due to heat, as well as long downtimes because you have to "un-build" a lot of the server farm to get to the failing computer, etc. Whatever comes to mind, write it down), but make sure you leave out anything that could remotely be tracked to your convenience (managers hate it if their subjects are working in a convenient environment, it will make your complaint look like you're just trying to get more comfort).

Then, assemble a list of managers that could even remotely be connected to the problem, or who could get fired when one of those hazards really happen.

Next, draw together what services of your company rely on computers. Managers don't understand the implications of a failed server, but they do understand what happens when people can't work because of it. Make sure you describe in very easy terms the connection between the server being down and Joe Cubicle sitting around and twiddling his thumbs because of it, for as long as the server is down (that the server will be down for LONG and chances that it is down was already covered in the first paragraph, I hope). Also make sure you include that they will not get a SINGLE EMail when (NOT if!) the servers fail, and for as long as the servers are down, no electronic communication AT ALL with the outside world and the other offices, or with clients! No mails, no files, no reports, NOTHING will come in and go out when the servers fail!

Pull it all together and write memos. Emphasis on the s. Not one. Make sure you write to them until you get a reply, don't let it rest, make sure that they understand the urgency and that it is a serious, serious, SERIOUS problem to the company. Make sure they understand that everything your company does stands and falls with the availability of the servers and their services. That nobody can be productive when your department is working at sub-par conditions.

Also, look around for possible solutions. Is there some space where you could put a server? Is there a way you could "grow" your space at the expense of some other department? Try to offer a solution, not only a problem. For two reasons: NObody likes a complaint (sounds like "waaah, I'm unhappy"), and when you already offer a solution, your chances are good that they will be picked up instead of a manager trying to come up with an idea. This is bad for two reasons: First and foremost, he has NO clue what you and your servers need, you might end up with a server in a toilet right under the water reservoir. And second, they will decide it behind your back, without you having a say in it, and they will try to meet your bare minimum requirements (if at all).

Re:Memos, Memos and more Memos (2, Interesting)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803644)

That all ignores something in his original statement: "our local IT staff managed to fumble the political ball." If we're talking "three desktop systems == server farm", you can bet "our local staff" is pretty small, and I'm betting it translates directly into "BenEnglishAtHome".

[ It's kind of like asking questions that start with, "I know this guy with herpes..." ]

A memo filled with finger pointing and blame throwing will be a fine document for the new IT guy to use to justify a new server room, but won't help Ben keep his job for another minute.

The moral of the story is "never throw stones at the crane operator in a quarry."

Re:Memos, Memos and more Memos (1)

BenEnglishAtHome (449670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15808885)

Just a short note to let you know that most of your assumptions are wrong. I can see where you might reach those conclusions, but the actual case is that this is a large federal agency. The reason there are only three servers onsite is that only three specific tasks are deemed to be such bandwidth hogs that we have to place them in remote posts of duty, close to their users. Most local servers are in our two main offices with a total of about 6000 square feet of dedicated server room space.

As for the form factors, I don't get to choose. Our corp lan folks do that and I can't change it. Also, the biggest problem here isn't really fitting in the equipment. The problem is that our desktop support people (that's me and whoever gets this rotational assignment in the future) will no longer be able to plop down at an unused workstation in this remote office to camp out for the day. No more such workstations will be available. Thus, even though it's not a fulltime workstation, a workstation large enough to handle the needs of a desktop support tech must nevertheless also be included in the server closet. Considering that my everyday workstation/office is 100 square feet plus about 40 linear feet of shared bench space dedicated to testing, setup, and repair, the idea of actually *working* out of 45 square feet, even if it's just for one day a week, is something I'm having trouble adjusting to.

Thanks, though, for trying to see past the surface. If you had been right, you would have deserved lots of "insightful" mod points.

Re:Memos, Memos and more Memos (1)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15814132)

Well, then the GP poster hit it exactly right: lots of CYA memos, document who deserves to burn should the building go up in smoke, the whole nine yards. :-)

Re:Memos, Memos and more Memos (1)

Serpentegena (991730) | more than 8 years ago | (#15807504)

I couldn't agree more with the memo barrage idea. They say bad news travel fast, hehe:) A couple complementary ideas for approaching mgmt.:

1) Give multiple solutions - think of one low-cost alternative, another medium cost/effort one, and a budget hyper-blast based on long-term planning(good profile-builder, too) Then present it as: - would you like to go with or with ? People like to have options, it makes them feel like they're in control.

2) Speak to them in $$$ - for each solution, table how much money (on average) the company would lose if they DON't go with one of your solutions - due to downtime, catastrophic events, collateral damage, insurance premiums going up, etc.

3) Escalating urgency(AKA fearmongering :) If you come solving a problem that doesn't exist yet, chances are mgmt. won't care. But if you walk in as the saviour who prevented a problem from happening, you might actually get some credit for it. HTH.

Cubical (1)

Spazmania (174582) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803416)

If you're looking for furniture recommendations you should specify actual dimensions. 6.5' x 7' has very different solutions than 4.5' x 10'.

For three desktop-size servers, though, this is trivial. Use a cubical L-desk for a cube-shaped room and a bench along one wall for a rectangular room. The three servers sit under, the monitor keyboard and KVM sit on top and the entire other half of the desk is available for the tech with his laptop.

Do watch out for the air conditioning. A non-IT guy's definition of what's enough is usually underspeced by at least half. The "sensible cooling" from the office air conditioner will not cut it and vents large enough for the air conditioner to cool adequately will bake the room when they switch to winter heat.

Enough room/electricity to expand (2, Informative)

plcurechax (247883) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803425)

Real servers are rackable, in 19 inch wide, 42U (~72 inches I think ) high racks.

One UPS, hot swapable batteries are nice, but we fry as many APC brand controllers as we kill batteries. I like to have an independent AC line conditioner, on a serperate AC mains circuit (i.e. different 15A circuit breaker) so that those real servers with dual power supplies (hot swappable of course) go one to UPS, one to the line conditioner (for UPS failures). Have enough circuits (not just more plugs) to accomidate future growth. A Watts Up? [] or Kill-A-Watt [] meter are nice to measuring your electrical consumption.

Honestly with how swappable hardware RAID-5 disks, hot swappable power supplies, sensible power distribution, and practicing regular backup hygenie, downtime can be minimized to mere hours per year range or less with care and planning of the administrator(s).

I also love KVM over IP (I use an ) or [] ILO [] (Intergrated Lights Out management) for headless servers, and have a backup AC available for server rooms/closets.

For servers ideas look at HP Proliant DL380 or Dell PowerEdge 2850 series.

Re:Enough room/electricity to expand (1)

mortonda (5175) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803766)

but we fry as many APC brand controllers as we kill batteries

jeez, I'm not alone? I thought I was going crazy, with all these APC units dying around here. I think we've gone though twice as many APC units as servers.

Re:Enough room/electricity to expand (2, Informative)

jebx (682934) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803842)

15A? I'd get 3 dedicated 20A, which is code in most of the US for commercial buildings. I'd also see about getting isolated ground circiuts to help cut out some possible ground loop interference, but those are hard to come by. One if you need any cooling, and two for equipment redundancy.

Re:Enough room/electricity to expand (1)

jrmcferren (935335) | more than 8 years ago | (#15805206)

Skip the Isoloated Ground. It may cause a ground loop in the system leading to a fire. Remember a ground loop is very low volts but almost INFINITE current. I'm just starting to get my Associates Specialist in Technology (AST) in computer servicing (You get more of the important stuff and less of the other shit a.k.a minimum math, minimum english, maximum tech). I don't know which is worse noise or ground loops (which can also cause noise). I've read stories of burned printer cables when computers were connected to a special ground, but the printers were connected to the main building ground to isolate noise.

Re:Enough room/electricity to expand (1)

W. Justice Black (11445) | more than 8 years ago | (#15819796)

Just to allay confusion, the Avocent AutoView 2000 [] noted in parent is KVM-over-Cat5, NOT KVM-over-IP. Big difference, since IP is routable across the WAN and whatever (presumably analog) signal on Cat5 is not.

That said, KVM-over-Cat5 isn't a bad way to make a room accessable from outside...

Try not doing it... (3, Interesting)

ComputerSlicer23 (516509) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803456)

This clearly isn't the advice you asked for. Personally, I'd make effective use of shelves (and or cabinets), and use the longest table that will fit on the longet dimention. Get the next longest table for the other dimension. There should just be room for the door to open, and the chair to be out of the way when someone is sitting in there. You can stack desktops and tower cases underneath. Have a working surface for repairs on top. Hook the laptop dock into the KVM, and put the dock up high (I once packed 10 computers into a room that was 6.5x9.5 or so at a small startup, oh and that was also my office). Now, that I've given you the token advice you've asked for. Let me try giving you my real advice:

I've been reasonable effective with the passive aggressive stance, of not supporting something so stupid. I'm not sure I can visualize just how dumb this is (I'm not good with descriptions of space). If this is truly a political issue, put in everything you can fit in with a reasonable about of space. The rest of it became "do without". I've seen 60 person offices run of development offices run off 3 machines in a server room that run all of the IT infrastructure for the company. It's stupid, but it can be done. A decent desk and an LCD monitor are all that's needed. It'll easily fit within a 7x7 room (a square room roughly of the right size).

You'll be shocked and amazed at the types of results you get from, "I've done everything I can with the resources I have. This project will continue to be a nightmare and always behind the eightball until we decide to do it right. I'll continue to do my best to support it as it is, but it'll take more time, and cost a lot more money then just having done this properly the first time. It will continue to cost us money, and I can give you estimates of the amount of time it will take for resolving this properly will become profitable".

Generally speaking, no sane boss will argue against that. I've come dreadfully close to being fired on several occasions because for this. However, I was kept around as "the guy who got stuff done". Generally letting people suffer the consequences of their stupidity is the single most effective and convincing way to get them to see the error.

I used to work with a woman who everytime you asked her to test things you developed for her to automated a business process she was in charge of that "it was so broken, that I'll just do it by hand". No matter how far or near you were to the mark, if it didn't work perfectly the first time she would refuse to work towards fixing it. Wouldn't explain what she needed or what was wrong. She used to do that to everyone. And everyone worked really hard to coax her into discussing it like a rational person. I found the most effective way to deal with her was to walk out. Wait 3 months until she was completely overwhelmed by the problem you were in the middle of automated. Dust off the old code, work with her for a day and finish up the automation. No one every understood that, all she wanted was the attention of how much crap she had to do, and all the crap she did by hand for you. Most importantly, she liked working harder, not smarter. So automating it before it was absolutely necessary ruined her mind set. Generally speaking, letting someone suffer the consequences of their decision is the ultimate way of convincing them that they were wrong.

Ironically, I did get laid off about 2 months after explaining to my boss that he needed to find a way to make backups. He could make me repsonsible for them, and I'd do them. He could motivate the lazy piece of crap who hadn't gotten them made in the 9 months he'd worked there (even more irritating, he dismantled the old backups that worked). Since I was the one who'd get to spend 96 straight hours in the office rebuilding our network due to no backups, I had a bit more vested interest in seeing them work. I worked really hard to be ahead of the game in everything I did, and I'd be responsible for cleaning up the problems. I wanted the repsonsibility and authority to make sure that if I did have to rebuild the network, it was my fault, not the lazy bastard who couldn't make tape backups work. I did get six months notice on the layoff, and 4 months of severance after that. So maybe, I'm not the wisest political player you should model behavior from. But I clearly generated value to get that sort of severance offer. For me, that's work is all about. Doing something dumb, because "it's the only option" generally is never true. The choice of doing nothing, or at least not invoking "desparate measures" for every crappy ass little problem that comes along is a totally valid thing to do. You'll spend all your time bogged down in carring out those stupid desparate measures. There are times to dig and do whatever is necessary to get the job done (see 10 computers in my office at a startup, the one that 6 years later laid me off)... However, the lack of allocating an additional 45sq feet for a decent sized room is just stupid.


Cooling needs - biggest issue I've had (1)

jebx (682934) | more than 8 years ago | (#15803799)

We have some server rooms at some of our facilites that are similiar size. The problem rooms have one server, a small pbx, 2200VA UPS, 4 switches, router, and a few other misc items. The biggest issue we've faced is heat from having so much equipment in a dense area that the air can't dissapate the heat fast enough and it ends up being a sauna in there. Sure the facilities guys will pipe in AC from the building, but unless they are putting in a separate zone with your own thermostat you are going to be out of luck, because with the door shut that room will heat up until outside where the thermostat is located calls for AC no matter what the temperature is there. We've even tried removing ceiling tiles so it can vent hot air up, putting in exhaust fans in the ceiling to pull the hot air off the top and louvres in the door suck cool air from outside. None of these cut it.

The fix we've found is to install a portable AC unit in the rooms. We exhaust the heat up into the deck (plenum area) and close the dampers from the building AC. We've been using units from the local big box stores wich are pretty in-expensive ($300-400). Make sure it has a thermostat. The biggest issue is getting the condensate out of there. we either mount them up a couple feet off the ground gravity feed a drain that is nearby or else use a condensate pump to get it up and further out. Usually there is a bathroom or janitor's closet with a slop sink nearby in our buildings. Another issue we've had is that they use soft power so if there is an outage someone has to turn on the unit again, (see monitoring paragraph below).

Now being dependent on the AC to keep the room from boiling over I'd also look into remote monitoring of envirmental variables and power notifications and control. We have temperature monitors that emails the infrastructure people when the temp or humidity crosses certain thresholds. The UPSs will email us to when they are on batt, doing a shutdown, etc. You also have notification so someone can go turn on the AC unit again too.

Zero footprint server room (2, Funny)

symbolset (646467) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804258)

Plant them on some users' desktops and tell them they got an upgrade. Then remote in.

That leaves you 45sq ft, which is a nice space for a cot when you need quiet time. It sounds like you're going to need a lot of quiet time.

Re:Zero footprint server room (1)

symbolset (646467) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804278)

Oh, Yeah --

Don't forget to disconnect the off switch. Darned users get energy conscious from time to time.

Ideas... (1)

Pathway (2111) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804382)

I don't know the exact details of your situation, but anyone on Slashdot can only give advice with on the details given to him/her. Here's a possible solution: Virtualize.

You say you need 3 desktop sized servers. Why? Unless there are speciffic tasks that cannot be done in a virtual machine, you should seriously consider running your servers on a virtual machine. Plus, you should be able to reduce the number of UPSs.

If you are able to virtualize, build the most powerful (dual-xion or quad-amd) machine you can buy/build in a 1-4 U case, and mount it verticaly on the wall. This will allow all the space to be used for your desktops/workstations. Oh, and since you can have "all the AC you want"... Have some custom AC piped over your vertical rack... Keep that server nice and cool.

You say you need space for 3 workstations in a roughly square 45 square-foot room? By my gestimate, that's an about 6.5'x7' room.... Ouch. That's smaller than most cubicals. LCD monitors are your friends. Infact, Flat-pannel computers should be your friends... Apple iMacs and Gateway Profiles (To bad other companies besides Gateway sell these all-in-one computers. I've got nothing against Gateway, but other companies should be in this market as well) will save you deskspace and floorspace. Also, with no computer and thin monitors, you should be able to have these computers work on 2' deep tables... or even less.

Workstation diagnostics? Fold out table. No, seroiusly. You won't need a space to do diagnostics all the time. Most of the time, you workstations should be working, or can be repaired out in the field. And, in my experiance... if there is an open flat surface, stuff get's placed there that shouldn't be.

Laptop Docking stations: Why? Laptops don't need docking stations... especialy in a room where every inch is needed, such as your situation. No, a laptop can work just as well without one.

Last bit of advice: Think outside the box. Is there a basement? Heating and Air Conditioning room? Attic? Maybe you have to use this room, but maybe you can split things up as well. Why can't visiting users use a confrence room? They would most likely be more comfortable than in a noisy, cramped room like this.

Good luck. Obviously, you'll need it.


pffft, sissies (2, Funny)

DNAspark99 (218197) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804430)

what's all this 'ergonomic seating and laptop docks'... all I need to admin my servers is a ssh connection, a cup of coffee, and a toilet.

Ergonomic (1)

camperdave (969942) | more than 8 years ago | (#15806756)

...and a toilet.

Ergonomic in this context means one of those padded seat ones.

Suggestion (1)

HAVOC0301 (991818) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804475)

I work for a company that sells ultra high end desk that would exceed your needs. Watson furnitureadjustable hight desks fan controlled storage of PC's many many options

My suggestion (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15804574)

45 square feet must house 3 desktop-size servers; 3 UPSs; a fully-adjustable user workstation; a big ergo chair; an area suitable for workstation diagnostics; a good KVM switch; 2 monitors, keyboards, mice, and laptop docking stations that must be simultaneously available; and some amount of small item storage, while still having enough room for a door to swing into the roughly square room. The only bright side is that I can have all the A/C, power, and LAN drops I want. Has anyone managed to find and deploy a freestanding server rack/workstation/furniture system (probably something L-shaped) that can perform this many tasks in such a small space?"

First I think you are confusing "office" and "server closet". With an actual server closet you should be able to get everything that needs to be there in easily and have room left over for a steno chair and a cart.

If you are trying to build yourself a little cockpit (and there's nothing wrong with that) here is the best way for me:

1) use the office plans to draw the space (fairly roughly) and all the things that belong there: large chair w/ arms, monitor + keyboard. You can be pretty approximate. For example, a CRT monitor + keyboard might be a 1.5' x 2.5' rectangle with an 8" sq mouse allocation.

2) If everything is on the same page, print out a few copies. Cut out the furniture and bits and try to puzzle them into the given space. Be realistic. just because the chair fits in the space doesn't mean you'll be comfortable. Ditto for PCs and sharp edges.

Cliff and his questions? (1)

Golgothaa86 (948550) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804623)

Anyone ever feel that all cliff does is ask questions? Yeah some of the questions could be useful for future knowledge, but it seems its all questions relating to him not wanting to google search (and for his personal/work life so he gets payed for this stuff) and just asks you guys who do all the labor for him.

Re:Cliff and his questions? (1)

GiMP (10923) | more than 8 years ago | (#15805781)

Cliff is the slashdot employee that pushed the question to the frontpage, not the person asking the question...

Re:Cliff and his questions? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15806006)

I don't think you realized that this discussion benefits not only Cliff but many of us Slashdot readers too.

Re-Think some Parts of that Concept (1)

Tux2000 (523259) | more than 8 years ago | (#15804751)

Why does each server has its own UPS? Use a single UPS with more power. To notify all machines about a power outage or a low battery state, use either a special distribution box from the UPS manufacturer, or make one server the "UPS master" and let it notify the other servers via ethernet. (Connect the ethernet switch to the UPS.) Have a look at [] for a free (as in speak and as in beer) solution that works not only with APC UPSes.

Why do you need three servers? One more powerful machine and some virtualisation software could emulate the three servers. Such software is available for free (as in beer). That would also solve the UPS notification problem, because only the host OS has to be notified.

Think about alternative doors. There are doors that can be folded instead of swinging into the room, like this one: ex.htm []

Separate servers and user(s). You simply cannot work in a room where at least three servers and a UPS generate noise and heat. And the machines can't, either. You need an air conditioning system to cool down the machines, so you get even more noise. Put the servers into a separate room, perhaps a broom closet or into the basement. At least, use some wood and a folding door to separate a small part of the room from the rest for the servers, that's what I did in my home office. Folding doors aren't the perfect noise guard, but they attenuate the noise a little bit, especially the high frequencies.

Think about housing the three servers at some hosting provider, that gives you a reliable power supply without your own UPSes and air conditioning for the servers. Use a high-bandwith connection and VPN and you do not need more room than a single ethernet socket for any amount of servers.


heat issues (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15805147)

Even with plenty of A/C you can still manage to overheat because of poor air circulation. We had a closet style server room for about a week. One after another our servers started to lock up. There was plenty of A/C and the room was bigger, but we also had about 3 or 4 times the amount of equipment. Its now a storage closte :D

Hmm (1)

majortom1981 (949402) | more than 8 years ago | (#15805305)

I have that much in a room like that but why do you need the chair? I think standing should be fine.

Been there done that (2, Insightful)

Thumper_SVX (239525) | more than 8 years ago | (#15805442)

And the first thing you have to realize is that there isn't a single reason in the world that the admin actually needs to be in the room with the servers.

I've worked on small datacenters about the size you're specifying, and I work on huge datacenters that have up to 10,000 square feet of space filled with racks. In both instances, I've always recommended that it be a "lights out" datacenter; that is that there's noone in there.

Why? Well, first of all there's the noise issues. Real servers make noise, and in most instances it would actually be harmful to you to sit in the room with them for long periods of time. There's also the issue of "kicked cables" that could take down the servers, or a kicked power button. You might think it could never happen, but it can. Thirdly, there's heat. You sitting in that room is actually reducing the efficacy of the air conditioning because the heat you put off is also adding to the heat the AC needs to remove. Finally, there's the fact that we aren't clean animals; where do you think the dust comes from that you have to clean out of desktop systems? Much of it is human skin shed by you. Would you rather have to take down the servers every six months to blow out the dust, or have servers that can run for quite some time without buildup?

As for console access, there are plenty of good KVM solutions that use IP. I use Avocent's solutions myself, but YMMV... but they are pretty damned good for small to enterprise businesses. I've used it in environments with 4 or 5 servers, and I've used it in environments with several hundred servers across multiple sites... still works pretty damned well.

Another solution that works incredibly well is to use out of band management. In one large installation I work with often, we have HP servers with Integrated Lights Out cards. Allow us to power the servers on and off, launch a remote console and even mount CDs remotely to install software. Since it's Java based it also works well under Linux... if you've got a little money to spare then that might be a good solution.

Finally, others have mentioned this; how about one big and meaty server and virtualize? I built an entire R&D lab environment around an 8-processor HP DL760 with 20Gb of hot-swap RAM attached to a Compaq SAN that was going to be disposed of... it now runs daily about 15 VM's with a peak of 25 and has become a really reliable and flexible system. It still runs VMWare ESX 2.0, and I plan to upgrade it to 2.5 soon because it scales a lot better in our tests and I might be able to squeeze a couple more machines out of that machine. Sure, with the SAN only being an older one the boot times are rather pitiful, but I have swap partitions moved off to local storage on the 760 (it has space for 4 72Gb drives, soon to upgrade to 146's) to keep performance up. Even my Windows boxes I create a "local" partition for temp and swap... boot times suck but running performance you can rarely tell the difference between the VM's and physicals.

The key here though is lose the workstation. If you lose a server, take it out of the server room for troubleshooting. It maintains the "clean room ideal" of the datacenter, reduces risk of downtime and even protects you. Plus it looks good on a resume when you say you've dealt with some of these lights out technologies (IP KVM's, iLo's etc.)... believe me it can help a lot if/when you decide to move to a bigger enterprise that may have rules and regs that require lights-out datacenter experience.

Mine's smaller (1)

dhartshorn (456906) | more than 8 years ago | (#15807092)

Stop those nasty thoughts, I'm not talking about that one. My office moved a few months back and this room (9' X 5') was all we could scavenge if we wanted a central location (in 5,500 SF) and roomy offices for everyone (about 20 max.).

If you can, make the door swing out. That was a big help to me and it's a relatively easy mod. I also used a louvered door to aid airflow.

Then realize that you have three walls to mount equipment on. My room includes all the telephone patch panels, PBX, and network routers/switches (w/UPS) on half of one long wall. I've got two thin bookshelves on half of the opposite wall that holds all the junk. Third wall (5-footer) has a table for workspace (tower server, magnia router, plus crt km, & a box of junk), two full tower servers and a fireproof safe below. I may switch it for a corner unit, but so far the table is fine. There's about 15 feet of wall space above the table that I haven't tapped yet. Next will be a wall mount LCD monitor and shelves to move the servers up.

It's small, one person only, and I don't want to stay there much, but it works and there's room to spare. Server and network management is from my other (full time) workstation. Still lots of cleanup to do from the move, which explains all the junk. This should actually be pretty roomy when I'm done.

I'll grant that I only have a small knee chair (but ergo!). Perhaps that's what makes it all work.

Lots (1)

sysadmintech (704387) | more than 8 years ago | (#15811944)

A simple closet is plenty of space, but it should have a special lock. About 3 feet from the back wall goes the rack. The top 1/4 is for patch (about 600) and bength that the switches. The bottom half starts with any fiber equip from your telecom, then routers. I like to keep servers (blade center) above the floor and put any specialized blades (security) nearest the floor. Next to the rack goes the PBX and above it on the side wall go your phone punch down block. 4x3' should be enough for about a 1000 phones. Next to it have your building secuirty and fire panels. Make sure you have 3" pipe running to your demarkation point with a fish line to pull. You'll need several 3' pipe to bring the cable in from the building and if you have the money install steel grate over the ceiling panels for security. Do not place AC vents over the electronics. It's nice to have an outside line in the room for any serivce techs to modem in patches they need. I beliieve in curcuit protecting (UPS filtering) a buldings entire electrical supply so expect a larger room for the UPS, but that was true even with mini-mains. Let me add that it is extremely inexpensive, much less than mix and match boxes, when done correctly. Watch out for the same wolves that sold you Y2K, web presence, convergence, AD over NW, to tell you it has to be much more expensive.

easiest solution (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 8 years ago | (#15817781)

star trek doors.

have the door open/close either vertically, horizontally, or outwardly. Anything other than inwardly. . .
you should also consider punching out the ceiling tiles, set some 9' wooden beams up there, and place the cases/UPSes up there.
in my place of work we have a raised floor, i bet stuffing a few machines down there could work out, perhaps it is similar at your job?
If all the walls have 2 wall surfaces(cross section would look like this-> | | ), knock out the inner wall to get that extra foot or so of space.
I believe someone also mentioned hiding those servers in places they won't find and then ssh into them or whatever. . .
finally, with all that saved space go buy yourself a fridge and a gorge foreman grill, and put them in the room :P
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