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Apple iPhone - To Be, or Not to Be?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the that-is-the-question dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "With the Apple WWDC looming on Monday, the internet once again beats itself silly over what Steve Jobs has in store. At the most fanciful end of the scale, there's talk of the Apple iPhone, to which CNET says, 'keep on dreaming', and Gizmodo says, 'no visible evidence'. The only solid evidence of an iPhone, beyond the endless mocked-up images, is the discovery of hidden phone-related code in a recent iPod updater. Macrumors has some info on what the keynote may contain -- and there's no mention of an iPhone. So, as the rumor mill continues to grind over the weekend, let the predictions begin. Is there an Apple iPhone, or is there not?"

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Rumors (4, Insightful)

distilledprodigy (946341) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846504)

I think apple knows it would lose tons of money in this saturated market.

Re:Rumors (5, Insightful)

Crash Culligan (227354) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846798)

I think apple knows it would lose tons of money in this saturated market.

<sarcasm>Hey, yeah. And remember that time when they opened up a chain of retail outlets despite the fact that many other such outlets were tanking and analysts were sure they were smoking something? Boy, did they screw the pooch in that deal!</sarcasm>

The thing you must never lose sight of is that Apple finds its own way of succeeding sometimes by doing things the way no other "sane" (read: "hidebound") person would do.

Will the iPhone become a reality? I'd say no, for completely different reasons than "everybody's doing it already."

Re:Rumors (1, Insightful)

distilledprodigy (946341) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846853)

I have to dissagree. The reason Apple did so well with the IPOD was because the got on right as it was becoming popular and they had a few innovations over the others. So as people decided they needed a portable music player, the IPOD was an easy choice. Most people already have cellphones, and if they didn't pay $400, they got them for free. The market is already devided into the cheap and expensive categories and both are saturated.

Re:Rumors (3, Interesting)

morgan_greywolf (835522) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847084)

The thing you must never lose sight of is that Apple finds its own way of succeeding sometimes by doing things the way no other "sane" (read: "hidebound") person would do.


s/Apple/Steve Jobs/ and you're right on the money. The original Mac was going to be a failure because nobody wanted locked-up proprietary boxes with no CLI or expansion capabilities (and besides that, the Lisa was an abysmal failure), Mac OS X was going to be a failure because who would want to run NeXT Step on a Mac? The iTunes was expected to be failure because 'everyone' downloads illegal music, why would they pay even 99 cents/song?

Everywhere along the way, Jobs saw ways of adding twists to make it work.

What I envision: an iPhone that not only has a built-in PDA based on either Palm OS or some slimmed-down Mac OS X, and not only has an iPod built into it, but one with a video iPod integrated as well. Oh, and you can add this optional GPS package for $X. Throw in built-in wifi and bluetooth connectivity, and you've got one hot device that people won't be able to keep their hands off of.

If Apple introduces it Monday, remember, you heard it here first!

Re:Rumors (3, Interesting)

StandardDeviant (122674) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846954)

Saturated market? Please. There's lots of cell phones out there, sure. And they all pretty much suck ass. Choose one, several, or all of: Poor build quality. Poor integration with the other information sources/sinks in your life. Poor user interface. Poor performance (battery life, RF reception, sound reproduction). Apple can't do much about RF reception and has limited freedom with respect to battery life, but every other thing is either a software issue or an industrial design issue. Guess what two things Apple kicks ass at?

Cell phones are a saturated market much like digital audio players were a saturated market.

All they'd have to do is roll out a GSM-based phone and they'd have access to most of the world's market. Combine that with something like iCal and Addressbook for windows much like they've already ported iTunes to support iPod use on non-Apple platforms and they'd be printing money.

Re:Rumors (2, Interesting)

not already in use (972294) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846998)

Are you kidding? What is the most common technology device carried by the 16 to 30-something demographic BESIDES the mp3 player? The cell phone of course. The only cellphone with brand recognition anywhere close to Apple is Motorola's RAZR and it's knockoffs. The cellphone market has seen little innovation in the past couple years and Apple is definatly capable of delivering a product that could open up some eyes. Consider the fact that such a phone, if it did exist, would use a familiar-Ipod like interface that millions of people have become comfortable with. Also consider the fact that it would easily interface with Apple's iLife suite and iTunes and suddenly a lot of people have a pretty compelling reason to buy a Mac. Apple's entrance into the cellphone market makes too much sense for it not to happen.

Saturated with Crap (2, Interesting)

copponex (13876) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847027)

A good product, along with good marketing and a little luck, will always do well in a saturated market. Look at the MacBooks... though I wouldn't buy one (a little overpriced and underpowered), for a college student who needs basic word processing and a shiny exterior it's a great product. It has sold despite it's high price point and the fear of not going with windows.

Imagine an iPhone, available in white and black, which is fully a touch screen device capable of multiple points of input at a time. No buttons except perhaps a scroll wheel on the side, and a switch for silent mode. Hold it in portrait and it's a phone, or an ipod, or a pda. Hold it in landscape and it's a widescreen video player or ebook reader (with a special grey contrast ratio to reduce eye strain). It has 40GB of storage with 8GB of ROM to preserve the battery. Heavy enough to feel sturdy in your hand, small enough to put in your pocket. Bluetooth, maybe WiFi....

I'd sure as hell buy one.

Not to be (1, Insightful)

Foobar of Borg (690622) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846513)

If this iPhone is real, it seems pretty silly just looking at the pictures. It's just another in a series of cell "phones" that are only marginally telephones.

"To be, or not to be. Not to be." [sets of iExplosives]

Re:Not to be (1)

StandardDeviant (122674) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846969)

[sets of iExplosives]

Whooo, set theory and high explosives AND a shiny aqua interface?

That sound you may have heard is every set of ears belonging to a computer science student on Earth perking up.

The only.... (2, Funny)

ThePopeLayton (868042) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846514)

The only kind of i-Phone that I would like, would have the user use the click wheel like one of those turn dials phones that proceeded touch tone. That would be cool!

Re:The only.... (5, Funny)

0racle (667029) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846646)

Good god. They are called rotary phones.

Damn kids.

Re:The only.... (2, Funny)

technococcus (990913) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846818)

Rotary phones are the coolest.

Oh, and you forgot, "*shakes fist* And get offa my lawn! Dirty hippies!!"

Re:The only.... (2, Interesting)

trash eighty (457611) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846912)

they are called dial phones over here, i have a few in my house on the landline. i'm not sure i'd want one on a mobile though :)

Re:The only.... (4, Funny)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846920)

Those new fangled things??

I prefer the type of phone that you crank in order to get the operators attention, and then say "Maybel, connect me to my mother."

No, you don't! (1)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846700)

No, you don't want a rotary-styled dialpad. Imagine typing SMS messages on a non 10-key-styled keyboard. YOu have to actually look at the keypad as you type. I bought a Nokia 3650, which sports this 'feature'. It is very difficult to type SMS messages in rush-hour traffic with a manual transmission, when you have to look at the keypad as you type. I don't recommend this!

Oh, and please use your turn signal!

Re:No, you don't! (2, Funny)

timster (32400) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846788)

Dude, forget about turn signals. Sounds like you'd be better off just turning on your hazard lights.

I really doubt it (4, Insightful)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846532)

I have serious doubts that the iPhone will ever come to be. Apple is focusing on media as its second core competency. The move to Intel chips and the looming possibilities opened up by virtualization will keep Apple moving in interesting and exciting directions for the next couple of years.

Combining and iPod, Newton and cell phone is an interesting idea, but we have seen that there is some consumer resistance to combining gadgets. Unless Apple can really come up with a new and exciting way to 'do' the cell phone, I don't expect Jobs will entertain the notion.

I know that there have been patents for mobile devices filed by Apple, but I expect many of those are part of their Mutually Assured Destruction stockpile of patents.

My 2 cents, for what its worth.

Re:I really doubt it (2, Insightful)

moracity (925736) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846597)

I agree. I don't see any market for this. The mobile phone market is already saturated as it is. The recent iChat Mobile photo going around is interesting though...a real-time video phone via iSight. There are obvious flaws with the mockup. The major one being that the iSight is on the back of the phone. I still don't think there is any profit to be made from an Apple phone. There is no way the Apple has been secretly working on a phone that can possibly compete with companies that have been doing this for years.

What I CAN see as a possibility is a Bluetooth iPod that can communicate/sync directly with Bluetooth phones.

Re:I really doubt it (1)

Moby Cock (771358) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846628)

What I CAN see as a possibility is a Bluetooth iPod that can communicate/sync directly with Bluetooth phones.
Could be. I'd like bluetooth headphones for a bluetooth enabled iPod too. Time to cut the cord!

Re:I really doubt it (1)

larkost (79011) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846938)

Thats just what I want: my iPod and my headphones to be in a race to see who can run out of batteries first! Bluletooth headphones are fine for cell phones, where they spend the majority of their time waiting for something to happen (a call), but in an application where they would constantly be receiving... wow would that suck. Not to mention the extra drain on the iPod's battery.

Eventually someone will come up with a protocol that can do this on limited power, but bluetooth is not the answer in that space.

Newton vs Cellphone (2, Insightful)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846663)

Combining and iPod, Newton and cell phone is an interesting idea, but we have seen that there is some consumer resistance to combining gadgets. Unless Apple can really come up with a new and exciting way to 'do' the cell phone, I don't expect Jobs will entertain the notion.

I doubt that an iPhone would compete with an iPod. I too want to see bits of the Newton restored to a (modern) product we can actually buy and use. I am so unpleased with modern handhelds and cellphones, that 'I want to believe' that Apple will make a useful product in this arena, where they are conspicuously absent.

Re:I really doubt it (4, Interesting)

clifyt (11768) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846749)

"Apple is focusing on media as its second core competency."

And that is exactly why a lot of folks are predicting the phone as the next area of Apple's influence.

Look at the Moto phones with iTunes -- they suck and were purposely kept down because Apple was afraid of folks competing with them. Even then, I heard the iTunes was running on some java stack and not integrated directly into the electronics (well...integrated more so).

I know with a simply free phone I picked up from Cingular last year, I've now replaced my Palm...not that I've had much use for it anyways. The phones do almost everything except for stylus entry that my old device did -- and the only place you see items like this are in phones (i.e., the Treo phones...which I really considered until I realized they were HUGE and I like my pocket space...I'll take entering everything from my computer except for the few times I need to enter a quick phone number or appointment with a cryptic title until I can edit and resync).

And now music is getting in these things. Do I want to carry both an iPod AND a phone? The whole thing with the Palm was that I WAS carrying both. My iPod is now relegated to my car or occasionally an airplane these days because I really hate having the batman belt. Even the shitty phones have music on them and even though a good deal are locked and require a purchase from the cellular companys site -- people seem to be willing to pay the $2 - $4 for a song that is a quarter the quality of the similar iTunes download (and as I've found out, generally expire after a few months -- I just wanted to test out the interface because I had been helping a friend convert his tunes to ringtones -- he has a sizable audience and wanted to get 'optimized' files out with 'customized' content before his label did so he had a negotiating block as RTs weren't even considered when he signed on 10 years ago -- they count them as 'club sales' like Columbia House where the artist makes practically nothing).

Back to the point, Apple introduces a phone that replaces my current one AND my iPod -- I'm picking it up. There are only so many gadgets I'm carrying and if I have to make a choice, its my phone...and the more I talk to others, they feel the same way. Luckily Apple seems to be the kind of company that knows how to focus on the essentials which for me would be, Phone, Music, Phone Book, Calendar and a Java Interface to load up Salling Clicker so that I can use my remote to connect to my Mac across the room -- and leave the Java unrestricted so that we can add what we need WHEN we need it and nothing more. Most phones have this stuff, but navigating the interface to use them sucks...

We will see convergence, so does Apple want to be ahead of the curve like the iPod(but not way too ahead like the Newton -- which pretty much introduced us to what we have today) or does it want to be behind the curve like it has on too many other items...

Ok -- in the time I've been called away from my desk a few times now, this is probably redundant and should be modded accordingly :-)

Re:I really doubt it (1)

paralaxcreations (981218) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847042)

Back to the point, Apple introduces a phone that replaces my current one AND my iPod -- I'm picking it up.


And when you can't make a call because your battery is dead from listening to tunes on your Awesome All-In-One(TM) all day, what then?

Re:I really doubt it (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847121)

Back to the point, Apple introduces a phone that replaces my current one AND my iPod -- I'm picking it up.

That is precisely why I do think Apple will do a phone platform. The only gadget in the entire world that is more popular than an iPod is a cell phone. Its their only competition (see the new Chocolate phone by LG; that thing IS a nano).

Apple iPhone Nano (2, Funny)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846539)

I'll lay odds that the first iPhone will be kinda clunky anyways. I'll wait for the iPhone Nano (maybe even the alumninum iPhone Nano).

Is there an Apple iPhone, or is there not? (3, Funny)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846540)

Not on *MY* Laura Ashley designer coffee table in my swank penthouse Thames-side London apartment there isn't!!!

Well, maybe if they make it the same shade of off-white as my David Hockney sculpture and make the little Apple logo a bit more silver, I might think about it...

Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (3, Insightful)

Imbolc (949706) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846544)

Who'd turn off their iPod full of Rammstein just to answer a phone call from your Dümass friend? Seriously, though, if I buy a device for the purpose of listening to music, I don't want anything to stop it to answer a phone. If I'm listening to my music on my iPod on the way home from work on the subway or bus, I don't really want to be bothered in general; I can always check my phone to see if it's anyone important. If it's someone who may have critical news, then I'll probably answer it, but otherwise- well, the Music > the Conversation. What's with this whole "one piece stop shop" MP3 phone obsession anyway? Throwing all of your eggs into one basket will only leave you eggless and unhappy if that one basket asplodes, or gets stolen. I'd rather keep my devices separate, for both backup reasons and convenience reasons. I can also go camping with my MP3 player without having to be tethered to a cellphone...

mnb Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846671)

There is a difference between camping, and partying in the woods.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (1)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846684)

You wouldn't be able to listen an iPhone on a plane. If Apple ever produced an iPhone it's pretty likely that they'd include a plane mode right from the start which disables the phone aspect.

Some people would prefer to carry a separate iPod and phone. It's not like Apple are about to stop selling iPods. An iPhone would have a low capacity and compete with the nano. It wouldn't be a rival for the iPod itself.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (2, Insightful)

StevoJ (868524) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846722)

No reason why not. My phone (Nokia N70) has an offline option where the actual phone bit of the phone is switched off.

Which is kind of ironic, when you look at it...

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (1)

TheGreek (2403) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846839)

Which is kind of ironic, when you look at it...
Not if you use the organizer or play games on it.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (4, Interesting)

rahrens (939941) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846784)

I think Apple's experience with the (Motorola, was it?) last third party phone proved that it would be a risky proposition at best. Most people I heard griping about it were slamming how few songs it would hold. Add more flash memory, or a hard drive, and your power consumptioon would go up, so there goes your stand by time on the phone half of the device, especially if you spend a lot of time listening to music, or conversely, talking on the phone. Both functions take a lotta power. Put a big honkin' battery in there to make up for it, and you'd need an auxilliary power pack on yer belt!

I don't think it'll work. I do think tho, that the references to a phone in the iPod updates may refer to a bluetooth connectivity with the iPod. Didn't see what the references were, tho, so I could be off base.

I think this is just pure speculation. Fun speculation, to be sure, but speculation nevertheless.

Bring on the Reality Distortion Field! Its affect on me must be fading...

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (1)

badasscat (563442) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846799)

If Apple ever produced an iPhone it's pretty likely that they'd include a plane mode right from the start which disables the phone aspect.

Which wouldn't make any difference whatsoever. A phone's a phone in the eyes of the airlines; they're not going to start up different regulations for different makes and models. "Oh, if it's an Apple model, *and* you can verify that "plane mode" is switched on, then it's ok." No way that's gonna work.

An Apple phone will have the same problems as every other type of phone, including the inability to use it on a plane. For now, at least.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (3, Informative)

Lordrashmi (167121) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847104)

I was using my treo on the last flight without any problems. A flight attendant did ask if it was switched off, and I said the phone was off and she accepted that. Any phone that can clearly say "Flight Mode" or "Phone Off" will not be a problem.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (1)

monoqlith (610041) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847039)

Jobs already thought of this. Rumor has it the upcoming WWDC will see also the release of an iPlane. The plane is piloted by Jobs look-alikes, fitted with plush velvet seats with integrated cinema displays, and (most relevantly) a Reality Distortion Field generator powerful enough to keep the interference from iPhones from messing with the radar. It comes in translucent Tangerine and Blueberry.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (1)

JavaLord (680960) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846701)

Who'd turn off their iPod full of Rammstein just to answer a phone call from your Dümass friend? Seriously, though, if I buy a device for the purpose of listening to music, I don't want anything to stop it to answer a phone.

Odds are it wouldn't interrupt your music, except maybe with a chime to let you know someone is calling. Then you could look at the caller ID to see if you want to interrupt your MUSAK to talk to whoever it is.

What's with this whole "one piece stop shop" MP3 phone obsession anyway?

Carrying around 3-4 devices sucks. Take it from someone with a 2 hour commute.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (2, Insightful)

bfree (113420) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846735)

Before I begin I must say that I really doubt that Apple would even consider forcing all new ipods to also be phones so you will be able to buy your plain old ipod to play music and have a seperate phone. Having said that ...

Is it hard to imagine that someone could build an audio player/phone combo where the user would decide what happens to calls when audio is playing? From mixing the two to pausing/muting the audio to take the call to putting the phone on silent, preferably with tweakability based on whether a number is in your phone book, what group(s) or even just if it has a CallerId or not.

Next, if Apple made a cell phone I would imagine they are far more likely to design it for the end user then most mobile manufacturers who design them for the networks. As a result you may even be able to turn off your phone/network without powering the whole device on and off (don't waste battery on the cellular network along with not being interupted). They may even (but I doubt it) build a unit to take two sim cards and allow you to have multiple networks (preferably simultaneously) so you could turn off your business/personal line at suitable times.

As for whats with the eggs in one basket ... simple, why carry multiple devices? Why not carry a swiss army knife instead of a dedicated blade, screwdrivers, pliers, corkscrew etc (if it is suitable for your needs)? Why have to backup multiple devices when you can backup one (and why don't mobile phones have a standard irda/bluetooth/card/cable dump and restore function, to a common open format).

Bottom line is the mobile industry is screwy, and will remain so until the end users take the purchasing power (curiously I've heard reports that bundling/subsidising phones with network contracts is illegal in Norway, the home of Nokia). Until then the phones you can buy will only be the phones the networks want you to be able to buy.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846755)

"What's with this whole "one piece stop shop" MP3 phone obsession anyway?"

Pocket space.

"Throwing all of your eggs into one basket will only leave you eggless and unhappy if that one basket asplodes, or gets stolen."

You'd have fewer 'stealable' items to keep track of.

"I can also go camping with my MP3 player without having to be tethered to a cellphone..."

Do you go camping a lot? The reason I'd want my phone to play MP3s is because I'm often at places where I have my phone but not my player. 90% of the time I only have my phone, my keys, and my wallet in my pocket. If I start carrying more than that, I quickly find myself uncomfortable. I also haven't had a phone theft or 'asplosion' to deal with in nearly 10 years. Even if I did, phone insurance is $6 a month. Renter's insurance may cover a stolen iPod, but I doubt it'll cover one destroyed by a fall. (Of course, I'd like to be corrected on that if I'm wrong.) There's plenty of reasons to want a phone to do more. I've actually taken more photos with my phone than with my camera this year. Convenience.

Re:Music Conversation (at least on a cellphone) (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846932)

90% of the time I only have my phone, my keys, and my wallet in my pocket.

Clearly, we need a converged iPod/Phone/Wallet/Keychain/spare change holder device.

Miss and get the point (1)

suggsjc (726146) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847002)

I'd rather keep my devices separate...
Reason point missed: Why have computers that have audio out then because that is what stereos are for, or games on computers because that is what consoles for, or video on computers because that is what TV is for, or internet news because that is what the 8'clock new is for. Devices capable of performing multiple tasks have several advantages. First, they reduce the total number of devices we have to own, and in the "mobile" arena where (carrying/storage) space is limited, fewer IS better. Second, if they integrate functions then it CAN be useful. You get a phone call, and your music lowers, shows you who is calling and then you have the option of answering. If you do, then you don't have to switch out headphones, pause the music, etc. If you don't answer, then your music goes back to normal and life is good.

Reason the point was gotten: Specialized devices USUALLY do perform better than these all-in-wonders. Plus, if you aren't satisfied with one device, you can upgrade the individual components as you wish instead of a wholesale change of devices.

I use a PDA phone because of the synchronization aspect. I make changes on my desktop and they are synced to my phone (contacts (ie phone numbers), calendar, files, etc) and so essentially that handles my backup problems. I can get a new phone, transfer all of my data from my pc. Or if I got a new computer, I could transfer all of my data from my phone.
That convenience does come at a cost though. The form factor isn't as good as a "normal" phone. If I were to go back to a normal phone, I would want a barebones model that was small and "just worked" like the old-school nokias.

What's with this whole "one piece stop shop" MP3 phone obsession anyway?
I don't know, but it is a little out of hand though.

Is it a good unit? (3, Insightful)

drewzhrodague (606182) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846550)

If it is a good phone, I'll get in line. I have been extremely disappointed with modern cell phones. It seems like phone manufacturers (and the seriously evil Verizon) are on crack, don't understand what mobile phones are for, what they should do, and how sensemaking such a device can be.

  • What I want to know is:
  • Does it work as a phone (without an annoying interface)?
  • Can I run programs on it (without having to buy them only from Apple)?
  • Can I develop for it (without having to pony up for a dev license)?

    Nevermind syncing features, like Bluetooth or ir. I would expect Apple to want to give that to their users.

    So far, I have found few phones as functional as my (old) Nokia 3650, and it's broken. Is an iPhone a phone for me?

Re:Is it a good unit? (2, Informative)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846721)

The Motorola RAZR is a good phone (interface sucks, but I'm used to Moto phones so it doesn't bother me so much.) It's small, works well as a phone with an actually decent speaker phone, and the interface is usable enough for the 3 things I ever do with a cell phone (make calls, text message, alarm clock.)

Application development is not a symptom of the phone, but rather the network.

Verizon/Cingular wants to charge you $5 for Tetris, and if they allow just anyone to develop an application which can then be distributed, well, that's a problem for their business model. Most phone apps are programmed in Java anyway though, but the mobile toolkits are often quite pricey.

Cellular phones these days are awesome. It's the backwards thinking service providers who make them suck.

Re:Is it a good unit? (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846965)

I have to second that. I personally do not do text messaging and I don't use any of the internet features (I might use them if they didn't suck, but that is another story.)

As a phone, it is very small, it works well with blue tooth and my Mac. I have no problems getting pictures on and off. It was easy to make my own ringtone for it and get it onto the phone. It fits in my pocket really well. I like the charger. The battery life is great. And the phone looks cool. I've always kind of wanted a flip phone, but I always was finding features I liked better in other phones. (I used to have a Treo 600 and before that a Sony T68i.)

Re:Is it a good unit? (3, Interesting)

technococcus (990913) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846863)

You're looking for a Palm Treo [palm.com] . The Developer Suite [palmos.com] for it is totally free. It's got a no-nonsense phone, and can do basically anything you want it to. A couple of my more financially well-adjusted friends have them and absolutely adore them.

There are phones that do that (2, Interesting)

lokedhs (672255) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847059)

I have the Nokia e61 [nokia.co.uk] which answers yes to all your questions.

Here's a review [my-symbian.com] for it. You can run whatever you want on it. You can write your own programs in C++, Java or probably other languages too. At least my unit has no stupid lockings. I can install whatever mp3 songs I want as ringtones or for listening. And there's even a third-party internet radio player that you can install.

iPhone (2, Informative)

Jhan (542783) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846558)

Well, the current iPod is not a video iPod according to Stephen, so maybe the next one will not be a phone?

Makes sense.

Hype hype hype (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846560)

Why do people go this nuts over what Apple may or may not say they're doing? It's like the people who buy supermarket tabloids and actually give a crap what George Clooney is wearing and who Meg Ryan's wiping her collagen-filled trout lips all over these days.

Re:Hype hype hype (0, Flamebait)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846622)

They're all the *same* people in desperate need of iPersonality iTransplants.

What the hell - it's Friday and I've karma to burn...

Re:Hype hype hype (1)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846712)

Exactly. "OMG IT'S LIKE MY IPOD WHICH IS SO COOL (I have a whooping 58 songs on it - I definitely needed the 60 GB video version), I GOTTA HAVE IT EVEN THOUGH MY CURRENT PHONE WORKS FINE".

I doubt Apple would ever make an iPhone, it seems like an idiotic business decision -- phones are a whole different creature from mp3 players, if this was not FUD then we would have it backed up by "hey, Apple hired a bunch of *insert cell-phone manufacturer here* employees"... but if they did make one, I would have to take an oath to shove each and every iPhone I saw up the users iAnus.

Some of those mock-ups are pretty bad. (2, Insightful)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846564)

Any idea which one is real? Any of them that do not have the numbers in a 3 x 4 grid with right angles should not fly. There's no reason for those odd angles which make you have to look to find every button.

iPhooey (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846566)

Honestly, how many people love having more phones in their history than bad dates? Telephones should be complete replaced with instant-message devices. Use phones as they were intended by Mr. Bell....digitally. Digital was there first (telegraph), will be there last, and all inferior technologies that interrupt movies, plays, meals, and other important things, just so we can hear the mildless drivel of some half-wit on the other side should be eliminated (only in a digital medium can a horrible sentence like that be feasible b/c you can re-read it over and over). If it was not for my immediate family and my job I wouldn't own a phone ever again. E-mail is good enough for me. I may have a VoIP line just for emergencies or job interviews (nobody else can see the greatness of the phone-less world) but that's it. Lose the expense with its dozen taxes.

If I worked at Apple ... (5, Funny)

n-carro2 (670495) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846579)

... I would randomy put in things like 'phone related code'. Imagine the fun of sitting back and seeing what rumors would start.

Re:If I worked at Apple ... (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846659)

If I worked at Apple, I'd put in comments like these
  • // Reminder : Add this code after Steve Jobs resigns in the 4th Quarter.
  • // Purpose : This code was added to cover up the security hole we didn't report back in 05
  • // Reminder : Enable this worm when Apple files for bankruptcy in 07

Re:If I worked at Apple ... (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846989)

When end users disassemble the code searching for clues, your comments wouldn't be there. You need to use hex codes that spell out secrets and use them as constants and magic numbers in the code.

For example, you might use 0XA991DEAD as a magic number if you want to cast a pall over the future of the company and make money by shorting the stock.

WWDC or WWSJD (-1, Flamebait)

The Great Pretender (975978) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846583)

What would Steve Jobs Do?

Perhaps Apple is going to introduce iAccounting and explain the discrepancies in their stock options strike price?

Former Microsoft evangelist Robert Scoble says (3, Interesting)

QuatermassX (808146) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846584)

It seems that Apple has something clever up their sleeve according to Robert Scoble: "Speaking of Apple," Mr. Scoble concluded, "they are readying a dizzying amount of new products. I wish I could camp out at an Apple store during the World Wide Developer Conference on August 7th. I wish I could say more, but that'd get me sued by Steve Jobs and I don't need that kind of heck right now." http://www.macobserver.com/article/2006/08/03.8.sh tml [macobserver.com] and http://scobleizer.wordpress.com/2006/07/31/mclaws- is-right-on-windows-vista-ship-date [wordpress.com] Ok, ok ... so this isn't really news, but it is still fun to work oneself up into a lather about the latest and greatest from His Steveness. Now that I live in London I can't really attend these fab Apple confabs. I was there in NYC back in whenever it was when Steve said, "now reach under your seats" and found a lovely new Apple Pro Mouse. Those were heady days, indeed. As a wannabe photographer (http://homepage.mac.com/nevermore/), I keep hoping for speed boosts to Aperture ... though I'm sure it'll scream on the new MacPro's ... or is that Mac Pro sans article (as in, don't eat iPod, say hello to iMac)? And I'd really love to trade in my trusty olde iPod (10GB 2nd Gen - battered from falling into the cross-trainer at the gym, but still very much functional) for something with a wide screen that plays movies.

WWDC? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846601)

We Want DRM'd Crap?
We Wear Discolored Cases?
Where Was Dick Cheney?

Well?

Re:WWDC? (2, Informative)

rahrens (939941) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846825)

World Wide Developer's Conference

It's where the Apple developers get together and talk development of Apple related products, and Apple gives them a sneak peak (a VERY LITTLE fuzzy peak) at their future plans.

Re:WWDC? (2, Informative)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847076)

It is mostly where Apple tries to educate developers about their latest programming APIs.

There are several technologies that Apple comes out with that depend on 3rd party support. For example, Spotlight works better when third parties make adopt its protocols to make data spotlight indexable/searchable. Dashboard is another example.

The main reasons people don't adopt these new APIs are: lack of education and need for backward compatibility.

WWDC also is a good place to give feedback to Apple about what they are doing right/wrong/could improve. Also, if you have specific issues you need resolved, it is a good place to go in order to speak with Apple employees.

For example, I had a specific issue in an application I was developing with OpenGL. I was able to arrange a meeting at WWDC to speak with the manager of the graphics group. I was able to show him my application and explain why we needed this particular issue addressed. All of the people from DTS (Developer Tech Support) who are used to dealing with 3rd party developers like to never make hard promises. However, this particular manager told me "this WILL be fixed in 10.3" and it was.

This year, I have a short list of issues that I want to speak with Apple about.

I can't say I've ever come away from WWDC with specific information about future hardware products, but I have come away with specific knowledge I need in order to guide my development roadmap.

Not yet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846606)

Apple tend to hold off on things like this until they can deliver a superior product that differs significantly from the competition. Right now, I don't think Apple are capable of building something like this, although they almost certainly have prototypes that work to a degree. Perhaps in a couple of years time when they have better, cheaper components to work with they'll consider it to be ready for the market. Right now, what they have would be too expensive or lacking in some critical way like battery life, making it too lacklustre to get the reputation Apple wants its products to have.

Yes- but... (2, Interesting)

manonthemoon (537690) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846637)

I'm doubting its ready for debut yet. I also think its a big enough deal that when the *do* show it, they won't mix it in with a bunch of other announcements at WWDC. It will get its own, big time show.

This is a market they will address. During their last earnings telephone conference they basically let everyone know that they are aware that the phone and iPod markets are converging and that they are not sitting still. So its a matter of when, not whether.

This is the WW DEVELOPERS Converence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846649)

Folks, these sorts of rumors happen all the time, but the WWDC is explicitly stated to be for DEVELOPERS (the "D" in WWDC). As such, it is always a conference about the more tecnical nature of OS X and usually talks about the upcoming version of the OS. It also tends to introduce hardware meant for the hard-core developer types. Thus you can expect new PowerMac towers (or whatever their new name will be), and maybe new screens, possibly updated MacBookPro models with the new Merom chip. Those are all top-of-the line things that developers will be interested in.

But a phone? Uh, no. That's a consumer item, and those are not usually part of WWDC. No iPods, no phones, no iMacs. It's always possible, but it would be atypical. So as you read rumors, keep in mind the target audience for the WWDC. Ignore rumors that talk about consumer releases.

Not gonna happen (1)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846670)

An iPhone makes no sense for Apple as a company. They are traditionally a high-cost, high-margin vendor who adds value to their products by marketing. There is no room for that in the cell phone market, which is oversaturated with low-margin Asian manufacturers/vendors whose phones are often given away for free.

I think Apple is content to license iTunes to phone manufacturers themselves; indeed, the only reason Apple has to enter the cell phone market is to push iTunes. Mobile phone vendors are also notorious about locking out certain functionality within their products (i.e. Verizon disables Bluetooth file transfer on all their phones so you have to pay $3.95 a pop for ringtones) and Apple has never been one to go for crap like that.

Add to this the fact that cell phone based music download services haven't exactly caught on like wildfire, and it starts to become clear why even if Apple had a prototype iPhone, they wouldn't release it. The market doesn't make sense for them; they would be better to position themselves as a phone applications developer. Passing regulatory concerns worldwide has already proven a thorn in Apple's side with iTMS, and I don't think they want to go through it again for a low-margin consumer device where they would be playing underdog to one-time best friend Motorola.

An iPhone would be a huge waste of money; there is an abundance of stylish phones and I don't think Apple would be able to charge $300 for a phone like they would probably want to.

I basically agree, but "free"? Not so much. (1)

ianscot (591483) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846867)

I agree with you that Apple isn't into entering previously saturated markets so much. However:

There is no room for that in the cell phone market, which is oversaturated with low-margin Asian manufacturers/vendors whose phones are often given away for free

Saying phones are currently "given away for free" is hardly right. They're wedded to contracts with the phone companies. My Motorola got soaked this February out whale watching, and I can tell you it wasn't "free" to replace the thing with a much worse phone.

And all that said -- if the current business model for phone sales seems completely irrational, and it does, one can at least imagine some clever Apple niche-redefinition around a new device. Yeah, it seems implausible. So did Apple's getting major record labels to sign onto the iTMS, in the day.

Plus, we do have the RAZR market-testing as a toe Apple put in the water, very carefully. You'd think they'd have learned to stay out based on that, but...

Re:I basically agree, but "free"? Not so much. (1)

Ryan Amos (16972) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846984)

Well, my point with the "free" comment is that people really aren't used to paying a premium for cell phones. The cell phone companies are the gatekeepers of the cellular network in the USA; without their blessing, you won't get access to the cell network, period.

Most people are content with their LG or Sanyo phone. At least, they're not discontent enough to go out and drop a few bills on a new phone. They'll just get a new one for free when their contract is up. I would be very surprised if a Cingular or Verizon pays more than $20 a phone for most of the ones they give away. It's just something people have come to expect (buy the service, get the phone for free.)

Re:I basically agree, but "free"? Not so much. (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847015)

Plus, we do have the RAZR market-testing as a toe Apple put in the water, very carefully.

I think you mean the ROKR. And I would have got a ROKR except for two things: it looks very lame sitting next to the RAZR (why couldn't they have put iTunes in the RAZR!), and it stores a paltry 100 songs. The whole point of the iPod (for me at least) is that it stores my entire music library. (I don't quite understand the appeal of the smaller iPods which proves I'm not perhaps the target audience.)

Re:Not gonna happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846934)

There is no room for that in the cell phone market, which is oversaturated with low-margin Asian manufacturers/vendors whose phones are often given away for free.


The way I see it, the cell phone market is oversaturated with poorly designed, jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none devices, with uniformly shitty software, which nobody really likes. If Apple actually makes a decent cell phone, I think they'll be able to charge a premium for it, and people will pay.

Re:Not gonna happen (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15847046)

Well all you'd really need to do is take an existing phone, remove the fluff features (camera, video player, music player) and use a simple interface for the remaining ones. This will never happen becuase people will stop wanting the all-in-one device.

Plenty of room for a good device (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847112)

Look at how well something like the RAZR has done. That's not "free" by any means, nor cheap - it's cheap to consumers because phone companies subsidize the cost through long term service plans.

Why could Apple not be the producer of the next RAZR, where different phone companies resell the hardware and Apple provides the same compelling hardware/software integration they have with the iPod, with Apple perhaps dictating terms to the phone companies so that they could not disable features.

Also, Apple would probably be smart enough not to produce a phone with a camera (or at least a model without a camera). Genius.

This absolutely WILL NOT HAPPEN (4, Interesting)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846677)

The time for Apple to release a cellphone was five years ago. Not because it would have been a roaring success - its success would probably have been identical then to a release today, moderate sales, sitting as an overpriced niche product next to the phone enabled Treos and the Nokia 9000 series. Maybe higher - the RAZR proved people still value aesthetics and will pay a premium for it. But what was then is not now. Today Apple has the iPod. The iPod is of critical importance to Apple's medium term future.

And the iPod is facing a competitor, the MP3 playing mobile phone. They're not that good right now, but capacities are going through the roof, so they will be soon. Indeed, get something like a Motorola V635 (which has a transflash port) and you can get a gigabyte card for it today and store a significant amount of music with you, listening to it on bluetooth headphones. iPods in this environment become a way of playing iTMS tracks, and pretty much nothing else. As long as the interfaces in these phones are "good enough", and they have enough capacity, there's no compelling reason for someone to buy a separate MP3 player.

Now, here's the problem. If Apple enters that market with a phone, they're fucked, because whether it's 2001 or 2006, their phone will be the niche - or at most "significant player amongst ten others" - product I mentioned. RAZRs are doing well, but they're not 3/4 of the market. So Apple's percentage of the MP3 player market will plummet. This has direct consequences for the long term viability of their multimedia business.

Apple's one chance at continuing to control the market the way it does today is to license the technology. If they act as a neutral party (rather than a competitor), they can continue to profit from the lion's share of the MP3 players out there, and can continue to grow and control their multimedia business.

If they sell a phone, they become a competitor. They will have problems licensing the technology, and they will become an also-ran.

Everything you're seeing that "points" towards Apple involvement in cellphones points equally at licensing schemes, and often points away from standalone phones. Nobody's (Apple or anyone else) going to make the iPod nano firmware the basis of a mobile phone operating system, but they may be willing to incorporate an iPod nano's core into a mobile phone.

Apple's one try out in this area was the ROKR. The ROKR was a stop-gap, and by all accounts Apple, not Motorola, deliberately crippled it (the 100 song limit, for example.) This should not be judged as "what Apple will do if they take licensing seriously", instead it should be seen as Apple trying to delay mass consumer acceptance of MP3 playing cellphones until the technology is good enough the things just can't be resisted any more.

No Apple cellphone will come from Apple. You'll see cellphones "with iPod(tm) technology" from a variety of manufacturers, but Apple is not in a position to make cellphones and almost certainly doesn't want to enter that particular snake pit of a market. If Apple releases a cellphone over the next few months, an Apple designed and branded unit not mostly owned by Nokia, Motorola, or some other manufacturer, I'd advise selling whatever AAPL stock you have, because it'll be their XBox: a product they'll be subsidizing for years trying to get into a market they have little experience of.

Re:This absolutely WILL NOT HAPPEN (1)

BenjyD (316700) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846744)

Also, a few years ago Apple could have offered a seriously better UI experience over existing phones. These days, manufacturers like Sony-Erriccson seem to be getting their UI acts together, so Apple would have to come up with something seriously magical to differentiate themselves.

The next Virgin Mobile (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847060)

I think we'll see a phone from Apple, with dedicated hardware - possibly they will sell it with service bought from other companies kind of as Virgin Mobile does it today, or possibly Apple will be more like motorola and offer a phone that other carriers will then directly provide service for.

That could make a lot of sense because then Apple would be able to control design of the total device and software, which is really the thing that Apple could bring to cell phones that would be comeplling to buy.

Simply re-licencing FairPlay access to cell phone makers does not really make a lot of sense to me. I, like others, would not mind a device that could replace an iPod and a cell phone and provide simple, targeted functionality.

Re:This absolutely WILL ~ HAPPEN (1)

deviceb (958415) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847075)

What if apple did a little tradeoff with a cell manufacturer. Let them use the ipod name in there phones which apple would get a cut of (& phone companies would kill for right now) -while they make ipod phone components for apple's use. End user gets a sudo-hippster-douche bag gadget that makes phone calls.

brilliant!

why not put a damn phone in ipods & free up a pocket..

iPhone is a Fake (1)

larry2k (592744) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846686)

Fake, fake, fake. Apple Products, Especially those w/ Clarification of a Brand, have lowercase letters in the 2e word. Example: Mac mini, iPod mini, iPod shuffle, iPod nano. Exception: iPod Hi-Fi, but that's an accessory.

iphone h4cks (2, Interesting)

ajgeek (892406) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846760)

I think iphone is out of the scope of Apple, personally. But not to go too off topic, here's something I don't think phone companies, MPAA, RIAA, and god knows how many other acronyms would like to see at all. Think of it this way. You have the latest release from . You really like it. In comes a hacker who finds a cool method to phone a friend, let them listen to the latest tune, and the friend, who also happens to have this new program, record the data streaming to them, which btw wouldn't have interference etc, because the mic on the senders end would be disabled for the duration of the call. Welcome to yet another level in software piracy. Oh and for the standard users, the towers are all loaded up with data from people doing this. In Europe or South Korea something like this wouldn't be a problem, but in the U.S., with such a crappy infrastructure in all but the most urban of areas, this would cause a lot of issues and probably a ban on iphones from cellular providers.

There are several... (2, Informative)

scooterphish (801894) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846792)

The Motorola SLVR L7, the ROKR, the V3i w/ iTunes. Apple doesn't need to make an "iPhone".

The "i" in "iPod", "iPhone", etc. stands for... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846797)

... "I have a very small willy and need to carry around a small gadget as a talking point so that we can avoid any possible discussion of my genitals."

This also explains why the "i" is lower-case rather that upper-case.

Re:The "i" in "iPod", "iPhone", etc. stands for... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846913)

I think you've got it backwards; Gay men seldom have the same penis anxiety that straight ones do.

I mean, this is Apple we're talking about.

No, but fun to imagine (2, Interesting)

dougman (908) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846804)

If you haven't seen the iTalk spec commercial [devilducky.com] for by award winning filmmaker Christopher DeSantis (design by Gregory DeSantis) you should check it out. In past speculative posts on /., it seems that the biggest reason "Apple will never do this" is that "the people" don't want a device like this. With the success of the iPod, I don't see how people *wouldn't* want a device like this. Millions of people want an iPod... I'd guess that most of those people are also cell phone users. Why wouldn't I want one device that does both assuming that Apple does it right?

I think it would be a huge success should Apple decide to build an iTalk that is a high quality phone, maintains everything we expect in an iPod, has decent battery life, and has the popular Apple style. I haven't had a decent cell phone in years. I find most of today's phones too small, lots of plastic and very lightweight. Count me in the camp that hopes they build one at some point.

What's the big deal? (4, Funny)

DaveM753 (844913) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846832)

My phone plays music, and it's not even DRM protected:

Dial:

6,5,4,5,6,6,6
5,5,5...6,6,6
6,5,4,5,6,6,6,6,5,5,6,5,4

:P

(By the way, I am not responsible for any long distance or airtime charges you may incur)

Re:What's the big deal? (1)

pandrijeczko (588093) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847114)

Couldn't you have chosen a tune with more international notoriety - say "Smoke On The Water" or something like that?

Being a Brit and having just tried that on my phone, I recognise it as "some American ditty the tune of which I recognise but can't put a name to" and now I'm racking my brains trying to remember the title and it's going to stay in my head all evening - i just know it!

iPhone pfft. (1)

Enrique1218 (603187) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846890)

What is this obsession with Apple branded phones? I am sorry but I have a RAZR and a nano and they are suffice to what I need. Both are small enough to carry together (I usually have 2 or more pockets) or I can leave iPod if I don't need it. Moreover, both invidually are great at what they do! When Moto try to converge the cell phone and the ipod (ROKR), it looked awful, had limitations, and was expensive. Personally, with WWDC around the corner, I am more interested in Leopard (Vista killer?) and the new Mac Pros.

There's still room for apple (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846892)

I think there's room for apple in this market.

The main problem of today's cellphones is that they're extremely clunky an unintuitive. My parents have difficulties in using them and they end up using only a fraction of their functionality. Since I'm more tech savy I can figure out how they work with no major difficulties, but even I am getting tired of the 30 little icons, and clicking on a button five or 6 times just to see who was it that tried to call me. My old Siemens C45 is much better than most cellphones in the market.

With a good interface and slick design there is definitely room for a phone by Apple. Around these parts, even though there is no "iPod fad" (since they're too expensive for most people) they still sell very very easily. It may not be the dominant "mp3 player", but the slick design and amazing interface will convince those that can afford it. And its worth it. I own an iPod nano, and I'd buy an Apple cellphone if they were to produce one. I'm even thinking of buying a MacBook when I can afford it, and I am former win32 user converted to Linux (Ubuntu breezy).

There's always people willing to pay extra for the design and/or interface. I know my parents would be better suited with a cellphone with less functions but simpler and more accessible.

quotes (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15846922)

"I felt a great disturbance in this pointless discussion, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced."

Hacker1: Something WAS in the iPod. The code leads off in this direction.
Hacker2: [holding up a print-out of a code] "Look, sir: iPhone!

Apple lawyer: Don't act so surprised, your highness. You weren't on any mercy mission this time. Several transmissions about iPhone were beamed to this site by Apple workers. I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you.
Internet Journalist: I don't know what you're talking about. I am a member of the Journalist Union on a diplomatic mission to Alderaan...
Apple lawyer: You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor! Take her away!

and last, but not least:

Chief Engineer: It seems like you've managed to cut down our usage of thermal paste.
Engineer: Maybe you would like it back in your cell, your highness?

Possible Further Collaboration with Nike (1)

kinnell (607819) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846933)

I predict they will team up with Nike to produce an iShoePhone

Maybe not iPhone... but iPod+Phone integration? (1)

Tokin84 (919029) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846982)

In light of the additions to firmware, it might make sense to think of Apple as bringing together the markets. I think, and this is just my opinion, that Apple is laying the ground to make your Cell Phone and iPod work together, similar to how they worked with Nike to combine the nano with their shoes. Let me explain further. Lets imagine that Apple's new iPod, to be released at the Paris Expo, will have bluetooth capability. Now, with the new nano firmware, this feature lets you do some really cool stuff. Imagine that your nano can bluetooth to your phone, which is also bluetoothed to your earpiece. You can listen to your music through your phone's headpiece, change music using your iPod, and when you get a call, the music pauses to let you pick up. As soon as you hang up, your music resumes. To me, this seems like the most likely method of use for the new iPod firmware additions. The nice thing is that this firmware is completely and totally independent from the phone manufacturer's decisions. You can imagine more integration too, since your iPod can store contacts. Same thing as using your computer to call someone, but now you can navigate to your address book on your iPod, push the center button and it beams the number to your phone, which calls it. It could be far fetched, but it is more likely than an iPhone, even if I would want one of those :-P

IT Focus at WWDC (5, Interesting)

xorowo (733585) | more than 7 years ago | (#15846999)

I work as a Director of Technology and I find it interesting that my Apple reps have been courting me so much these last few months. So much that they have not only given me a free pass to WWDC, but have invited me to sit in the VIP section at Jobs' keynote and to attend a special reception for IT professionals Monday evening.

Now, it may be that Apple always does this sort of thing to convince people like me to buy Macs. And we surely know that the Mac Pro will debut (as well as 10.5). But the full court press that I am getting suggests that this year's WWDC is as much about people like me as it is developers. Does this indicate anything about the content of Jobs' keynote? Probably not. But the treatment that I am receiving when I have almost nothing to do with development suggests that they are trying to garner as much interest as possible, and as much buy-in as possible.

back to school shopping? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15847007)

i think we can expect something nifty...

Other iPod advancements (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#15847117)

I really never have stood behind the iPhone idea, I think it might be kind of interesting, but it seems very unlikely, since Apple tends to concentrate on simple, elligant, and effective devices that do one thing, and one thing well. I think any increase in Apple's involvement in phones will be through their continued partnership with Motorola.

On the flip-side, it's hard for me to believe that the WWDC will go by without any iPod announcement. It's been nearly 9 months since any change in the iPod lineup, which they tend to stagger the releases of the line at about 6-9 month intervals. It's been about a year since the Nano's introduction, and it's doing so well, it's almost more appropriate to say that "hotcakes are selling like iPod Nanos". I think it's very unlikely that we'll get through the WWDC without at least some minor change in the iPod lineup. I predict an increase of memory to the Nanos, possibly some redesigning of the iPod Shuffle, something like that. I don't think we'll see any major changes, but we'll see some incremental increases in the product line.

iTMS will probably be a large focus of WWDC as well. Apple's finally going to have competition, in the form of Microsoft no less. I think it would be very stupid for Apple to not have some fairly major announcements up its sleeve (black turtleneck, of course) regarding their iPod / iTMS / iTunes infostructure. I think we'll see the official announcement of the beginning of feature film distrobution, and some new distrobution methods. Disney's already on board (who didn't see that one coming), we're just waiting for the official announcement, and this seems like a good time to do it. Apple's going to have to pour a lot more into their iTMS division from now on, seeing that they're going to have some pretty stiff competition, which will probably be fairly rigged.

I'm just surprised at these particular announcements, because they're all aimed at the mac elite crowd. This is the time where, more than ever, Apple must continue to appeal itself to the masses, this is not the time to clam up and preech to the choir, so-to-speak. We're likely to see a lot more concentration on mass marketting. XServe means nothing to most of their audience. I think all these announcements seem like reasonable assumptions, but I think we're more likely to see some more, all-encompassing announcements as well. Now, REALLY would be the time to release that iMini Media Center, start building some livingroom-based services.

What about battery life? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15847118)

My iPod's battery life is shitty enough as it is and I for one rather enjoy the fact that I don't have to recharge my phone every day. Until I see batteries that will support an mp3 player and a cell phone for a decent amount of time (say four hours of and two days of normal cell phone use) I'll be keeping my devices seperate.

Need I say more?
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