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Don't Count Sony Out Yet

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the he's-a-fighter dept.

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Eurogamer is hosting a GamesIndustry.biz article, an editorial that wants readers to make sure not to write Sony off yet. From the article: "Even if Sony is failing to endear itself to the media, to analysts or to gamers at the moment, that's no reason for the reality of the next generation console battle to be ignored. Judging from reports in the past fortnight, it would be easy for an outside observer to assume that it's all over already; the media paints a picture of Microsoft being victorious before the first shot is even fired, with Sony's overloaded battlecruiser set to sink before it even leaves port."

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172 comments

Thanks, but... (5, Interesting)

Spazntwich (208070) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849071)

I'll write them off anyway.

I have no interest in a $600 console and $70 games.

Re:Thanks, but... (1)

Jeppe Salvesen (101622) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849088)

how sure are ya? people pay monthly fees. then, 50 or 70 bucks for the initial investment is not a big difference..

Re:Thanks, but... (2, Insightful)

Spazntwich (208070) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849103)

I guess to more accurately state my intentions, I'd have to say I won't INITIALLY be buying one.

Once the PS2 gets down to the $200-300 price point I'll consider it, but to drop $70 on one game means it better be one hell of a good game.

As I've grown older, my interest in videogames has waned anyway, and I think Nintendo's approach of pick-up games will work better anyway, which is another reason I'm writing Sony off: The people who can afford it aren't the target audience, and the target audience will have a hell of a time convincing the parents to drop that kind of money on a videogame machine when it works out to two average car payments just for the console.

Re:Thanks, but... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849213)

Just because you're poor and destitute doesn't mean the rest of us won't buy one.

Try moving to a country with better social programs, you fucking bum.

Re:Thanks, but... (2, Informative)

fimbulvetr (598306) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849260)

Judas, give the guy a break. Now the sony fanbois are using the "You should make more money, so you could buy one too" line?

Sounds like they're getting wound up. What's next, blackmailing us? I make a pretty good living for being in the US. I have the normal stuff like a car payment, rent, 401k, and I'll have a hard time fronting the money for this because it's a minimum $900 purchase before I walk out of the store (A couple games, a few controllers, etc).

Re:Thanks, but... (1)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850160)

Think of the PS3 as being a car with two gears. The first gear is really short and fast, representing the initial run of consoles as those who really want them snap them up. The second gear is a really really long second gear that accrues speed, or in this case owners, for a long time.

I'm buying a PS3 and their $70 games (1)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849346)

And I STILL think that "Try moving to a country with better social programs, you fucking bum" AC is a flaming retard.

Re:Thanks, but... (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849250)

The N64 had plenty of 70-dollar games. And this was Nintendo - HA - slag off on THAT!

I think the 500-dollar config is fine, and once it drops to 350-400, we'll see the usual demand past the bleeding edge weenies (like me) go for it.

The thing that struck me odd was how long the PS2 stayed above 250. I mean we were talking YEARS compared to the quarterly price drops everyone else had for the previous decade.

I'm Ok with a $500 PS3 though (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849395)

I have no interest in a $600 console and $70 games.

While still expensive, you can get a base PS3 for $500 that can do everything the $600 model would do as far as games or movies go - don't believe the HDMI hype. That's only $100 more than the 360 with hard drive.

I agree $70 games are starting to get a little rediculous, just wait to buy the console then until the greatest hits releases start coming out much cheaper.

Re:I'm Ok with a $500 PS3 though (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849878)

Oh! Or you could buy the way-old PS2 games (which are the same thing, just with slight worse graphics and different stories) and play them on your PS3! That would save you a ton of money on console games!

Re:Thanks, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849977)

Sony said that PS3 games will cost "no more than $100". So those $70 games you're not interested in may be the cheap ones.

$600 console and $100 games. Yep, definitely too early to count Sony out, especially when it's competitors are pricing their consoles and games at least half that.

Re:Thanks, but... (1)

stigmerger (989244) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850034)

Seems like a bargain, if the games are three times as good as $40 games running on a $300 console. I don't get all the whining about the price. You don't always get what you pay for, but you rarely get what you don't pay for (talking about consumer items, I mean). You could just as well whine that you aren't going to pay more than $1000 for a computer. So, fine. You can have a cheap computer.

You know the old saying... (0)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849077)

Nothing is over until Nintendo sings a wheeee!

Too much for a console. (3, Funny)

GigG (887839) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849078)

Why should I spend $500-$600 on a console when I already spent $3000+ on an Alienware?

Re:Too much for a console. (4, Funny)

Doytch (950946) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849098)

Where to start... 1) Probably the most obvious, 4D 2) You can use your PSP as a rear view mirror in racing games 3) Innovation such as real-time weapon switching 4) The ability to flip over this crab and stab it in it's weak spot for MASSIVE damage 5) The ability to swing your controller around like someone with cerebral palsy while playing an average flying game 6) Crappy Yu-Gi-Oh games 7) Being on the cusp of innovation with Blu-Ray Honestly, I could go on and on...

Re:Too much for a console. (2, Insightful)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849110)

I would actually venture a guess that the type of person who spends $3000+ on an Alienware is significantly MORE likely to buy the PS3. That kind of disposable income coupled with a strong desire for top-end/latest greatest.

The PS3 is trying to be a cutting edge entertainment system. The question is, will the BluRay player (err HD, whichever it uses) make enough value for consumers to buy it? If you are already in the market for a $300 HD/BluRay player AND a $300 console, then the PS3 makes sence. If you are in the market for a $40 DVD player and a $200 Console, then a Wii makes sence. If the high def video disk market doesn't pan out, then the PS3 is screwed.

-Rick

Re:Too much for a console. (2, Insightful)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849181)

If you are already in the market for a $300 HD/BluRay player AND a $300 console, then the PS3 makes sence.

That's not the target market, though. BD players are in the $1000 range (HD-DVD players are a bit cheaper, but still in the $500-1000 range). The type of person who's going to buy a $1000 BluRay player is not the type of person who will compromise with an integrated unit, because integrated units generally suck (the PS2 was a horrible DVD player, for example). What Sony is really hoping for is that they can get the people in the market for a $600 console, and have them decide to buy BluRay movies since they get a player for "free". The problem is that there's virtually nobody in the market for a $600 console. It doesn't help that the few people in that market (who normally wouldn't pay above $400 for a new console, but are willing to pony up $200 more because it's Sony) are quickly being alienated by Kutaragi's reality distortion field.

Besides, nobody wants to use a game controller as a remote control for movies.

If you are in the market for a $40 DVD player and a $200 Console, then a Wii makes sence

If you're in the market for a $40 DVD player, buy a $40 DVD player. It'll still be a better DVD player than a Wii, Xbox 360, or PS3. The Wii's rumored to be priced in the "optimal" price range ($200-300) for a new console. The market for a $250 console is huge. Maybe you're not in that market (preferring to buy when prices are < $200), but your absence does not make the market any less significant.

If the high def video disk market doesn't pan out, then the PS3 is screwed.

Just like the PSP is screwed because the mobile video disc market didn't pan out? UMD sucked, and is thankfully (almost?) dead, but the PSP could pull it together and still be a kickass game machine. It probably won't, given the utter lack of must-have games (the few top-notch games have also seen releases outside the PSP, or will shortly -- GTA: Liberty City Stories on PS2, Lumines on Xbox Live Arcade). The PS3 could still pull off being a kickass game machine even if BluRay tanks as a video format. Sony is making a big bet by including BluRay (without BD, the PS3 would probably be priced the same as Xbox 360 -- $300-400), and that'll probably screw them whether or not BluRay takes off, but they just might pull it off.

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849576)

"The PS3 could still pull off being a kickass game machine even if BluRay tanks as a video format"

But how many people will spring for a $600 game console? If BR tanks, Sony would be better off re-tooling for a cheap CD/DVD player and dropping the price. $400 for a top end console makes a lot more sence then $600 for a top end console with a worthless feature.

-Rick

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

Osty (16825) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849663)

But how many people will spring for a $600 game console? If BR tanks, Sony would be better off re-tooling for a cheap CD/DVD player and dropping the price. $400 for a top end console makes a lot more sence then $600 for a top end console with a worthless feature.

Exactly. However, I don't expect Sony to retool, because BluRay won't be an obvious failure until at least a year into its life. That means there's a good chance there will already exist PS3 games on BD media, which means Sony can't retrofit the PS3 back to a DVD drive.

UMD as a video format is dead, but Sony's not going to rework the PSP to use a different medium. Similarly, if BluRay fails as a video format that doesn't mean it's now useless as a game medium. The point is that failure of BluRay will not cause the PS3 to fail. The PS3 is quite capable of failing all on its own (and possibly taking out BluRay with it on its way down).

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849859)

But if UMD added $200 to the price of the PSP and sales were in the tanks anyways (as in no product shortage at launch), what do they have to lose?

-Rick

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

b0r1s (170449) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849236)

Simply put,

The $200-$300 console market is much larger than (the $600 market + the $300BluRay AND $300console) market.

Sony is going to take a hit this round - still not out, they can always catch up in 5 years with the next round...

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

Nossie (753694) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849660)

.... and in the process piss off all the cash wadded fanbois that did decide to buy a PS3 this time...

they are starting to sound like Sega.

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

spiderbitendeath (577712) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849971)

I thought Microsoft was the one coming out with the add on optical drive. Sony must be Sega around Saturn era, and Microsoft is still stuck in Genesis era.

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

drsquare (530038) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850181)

and Microsoft is still stuck in Genesis era.

No, the Genesis was successful.

Re:Too much for a PC (1)

2nd Post! (213333) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849330)

Another question... why should you spend $3000+ on Alienware?

I could have spent:
$599 on a dual core Mac mini with Windows in virtualization and BootCamp for all my PC, Linux, and Mac needs
$599 on a Playstation 3 for my MGS4 needs
$129 on a Nintendo DS for my Tetris DS needs
$249 on a PSP for my Lumines needs

For only $1,580... plus tax.

Re:Too much for a PC (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849482)

Heh, silly parent, framerate on CS:Source on your puny Mac Mini will suck.

/amd64/sli 7800s = still gets awped by preteens :(

Luminesweeper is $300 cheaper (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850531)

$249 on a PSP for my Lumines needs

Or $40 on a SuperCard adapter for your DS for your open-source Luminesweeper needs [pineight.com] , right?

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

teslar (706653) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849378)

Because you evidently have a thing for overspending on unnecessary yet overpriced things? :)

Re:Too much for a console. (1)

ZakuSage (874456) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849388)

Metal Gear Solid 4.

Where's the shared-view multiplayer? (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850552)

Why should I spend $500-$600 on a console when I already spent $3000+ on an Alienware?

Because your $3,000 Alienware doesn't have many games that take full advantage of its video card's TV output or your HDTV's DVI/HDMI input. Name a few Windows native titles that allow the user to plug four gamepads into a hub and play on the same view. I know a lot of you are thinking that you bought into PC to get away from split-screen, but console titles like Smash Bros., Bomberman, Gauntlet, Secret of Mana, Rampart, Amplitude, and the like are simultaneous multiplayer without being split-screen. All four players fight inside one arena, and the game shows the whole arena (or at least enough of it to show all four characters) at once.

Sony who? Already sold my shares (4, Insightful)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849091)

and bought a PS2 cheap to last until the Wii comes out this fall.

Face it, day late and a dollar short, even if Sony suddenly "decided" to sell PS3 at $299, they've already lost mind share and many game developers have already added Wii support (not originally planned) and are shorting the number of game units they're planning to ship for PS3, according to the news reports in the print edition of the Wall Street Journal ...

Re:Sony who? Already sold my shares (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849810)

I love Nintendo, but I don't know if you are blinded by your own fanboism or you simply lack the logic to think the situation through. As long as the big franchises remain exclusive on the PS3, fans of PS2 will pay any price for the PS3. In fact, price is only a small part of the equation once gamers see their favorite games in next-gen glory. Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest, Metal Gear Solid, Devil May Cry, God of War, Virtua Fighter, Kingdom Hearts, Shadow of Colossus, Gran Turismo, and many, many more are exclusive for the PS3, and that is what PlayStation fans care about.

Re:Sony who? Already sold my shares (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850195)

Many(?) of the games you mention exist on other platforms to, some probably arrived on another, and nothing say they will remain sony exclusive forever (if they aren't made by Sony and they really want that ofcourse.)

Final fantasy was a Nintendo game, 1-2, 4-6 exist or will exist for the GBA, 3 for DS, also crystal chronicles.
Someone had already answered with dragon quest for wii.
I know metal gear solid exist for Gamecube, some virtua fighter game aswell.

And so on.

Wah? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849101)

" the media paints a picture of Microsoft being victorious before the first shot is even fired"

Uh, and where exactly are these media stating anything of the sort?

Can't be talking about Japan...
Can't be talking about Europe...
Can't be talking about the trashing MS took over botched backwards compatibility...
Can't be talking about the insane numbers of defected consoles that the media has been reporting...
Can't be talking about the lower than first Xbox sales the media has been reporting...
Can't be talking about the ridicule almost everything is met with in the media from any of the Xbox execs...

If there is good press for the 360, I'd love to see it.

Re:Wah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849226)

What Zonk wrote:

" the media paints a picture of Microsoft being victorious before the first shot is even fired"

What Zonk meant:

" I paint a picture of Microsoft being victorious before the first shot is even fired"

Re:Wah? (1)

Tyger (126248) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849227)

Maybe by "The media" they mean people like Zonk.

Re:Wah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849572)

If there is good press for the 360, I'd love to see it.

Try getting your news from a source other than comments on Slashdot.

Re:Wah? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849674)

It's easy. The best press for the 360 ever is super-easy to find.

"Five-hundred and ninety-nine dollars" ~ Sony

Not endeared to ANYBODY (5, Informative)

sehlat (180760) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849111)

After the infamous ROOTKIT incident, I'm not interested in giving Sony a dime ever again.

Re:Not a deer to ANYBODY (2, Funny)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849145)

After the infamous ROOTKIT incident, I'm not interested in giving Sony a dime ever again.

Come on, what's a few Ring 0 takeovers of your system between frenemies?

Besides, the new PS3 includes Blu-Ray DRM as an extra bonus feature, and the controller takes over your toaster and makes it sing ditties about Sony movies! And then it makes the coffee pot ask if you'd like to replace Hot Java with Sony Java!

Re:Not endeared to ANYBODY (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849425)

How is the post flame bait? I too will not be conciously buying any Sony products unless it is to save someone's life.

Re:Not endeared to ANYBODY (4, Insightful)

|/|/||| (179020) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849455)

Hmm, this is currently modded flamebait, which strikes me as unfair. Is it not sensible to boycott a company that engages (or at least has recently engaged) in shady business practices?

Take me, for example. I own several Sony products, including a PS2, an NTSC monitor, and a receiver. Will I ever buy another product from them? Not in the foreseeable future. I've been shopping around for digital cameras and camcorders for the last few days, and I've been skipping right over the Sony models. They probably have exactly what I'm looking for, and in the right price range too, but that big SONY on the side of it might as well say 'Made by slave labor'. I'm not even going to give their offerings any consideration.

In other words, I don't like their business practices, so I won't give them my money. Not only is that not flamebait, it's completely pertinent to the topic! I was planning to buy a PS3 this generation, but not now. The high price that they've announced isn't even the deciding factor, since I was going to wait a couple of years for it to come down - the real reason is the rootkit, pure and simple.

MOD GRANDPA UP (1)

hotdiggitydawg (881316) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849520)

I agree entirely. Had my mod points not expired no less than 10 minutes ago I would've fixed that too.

I too refuse to do business with Sony becuase of their business practices. I've even taken to selling any Sony goods I have so (a) there will be less of a market for new ones (b) I never have to see that offensive brand name in my house again.

Re:Not endeared to ANYBODY (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849800)

I'd give them a bit of credit, their headphones are good. But at this point I'd never trust anything from Sony that isn't entirely built from discrete components.

Re:Not endeared to ANYBODY (2, Interesting)

cthellis (733202) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849823)

After the infamous ROOTKIT incident, I'm not interested in giving Sony a dime ever again.

I'm curious, have you ever given a dime again to Ubisoft, Codemasters, or anyone that's ever used StarForce?

Too early to tell. (1)

Ristol (745640) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849132)

It's true that we won't actually know for certain the winner of this generation's console war until a year and a half from now. Of coures, that isn't going to stop anyone from speculating!

3-way tie (1, Insightful)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849135)

I honestly see this generation war being a 3 way tie amongst the comeptitors. Nintendo offers something different, MS offers a strong online gameplay, and Sony offers the uberhaus of game power. Where as the last gen was really pick or choose (i.e., nothing really differentiated the systems except for the lincenses on each system), this generation will see much more of a differentiation of the type of games for each system. Old Skool gamers will probably lean towards Nintendo, PC and online gamers towards MS, and new skool gamers towards Sony.

We could actually see a 3 way split for the first time in history. It'll be interesting to see what Nintendo and MS do in 5 years when Sony insists their console will last til 2017....

Re:3-way tie, maybe in US, not World (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849159)

Microsoft? Worldwide, they didn't sell any more units than Nintendo's supposedly "failed" GameCube.

Now, if I just wanted sports games and FPS, I'd be totally agreeing with you, but MSFT isn't even in the running right now, and Sony's just trying to see if it can be profitable in the second pole position.

Re:3-way tie (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849179)

>MS offers a strong online gameplay

Huh?

MS has the worst online system of the three by a huge margin.

Only a tiny percentage of 360 owners even play online due to the ridiculous 50 dollar a year charge - that adds up to two to three hundred bucks players have to waste over the life of the console.

Even being generous and taking the Xbox marketing numbers at face value, the first Xbox had less than seven percent of owners playing online. And the latest press release from Microsoft about their online service didn't even mention the number of people currently paying the 50 dollar charge - so the numbers can't be very good.

And even if you are willing to stomach the online charge, 360 games have much less players than the better looking pc versions of games. Even something as simple as Street Fighter was just talked about a couple days ago of having tremendous lag.

Microsoft better get their act together on the online front or they are going to be completely irrelevant in the console market.

Re:3-way tie (3, Funny)

ScaryFroMan (901163) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849341)

You're right. Xbox Live is far, far worse than the PS2 and Gamecube online capabilities. I don't even see why Microsoft can even call it an online service.

Re:3-way tie (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849375)

Where to start...

MS has the worst online system of the three by a huge margin.

Uh. Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't Microsoft, at this exact moment in time, have the *only* online system of the three? Sure, Wii has a online system announced, as does Sony, but they don't exist right now... correct?

So it might be accurate to say that MS has the worst online system, by definition. They also have the best online system, but definition.

Only a tiny percentage of 360 owners even play online due to the ridiculous 50 dollar a year charge - that adds up to two to three hundred bucks players have to waste over the life of the console.

Actually, 360 owners can access the vast majority of Xbox Live functions without paying a single cent. Whether or not you think the $50/year fee is a waste or not, that kind of comes down to opinion more than anything else... personally I think the service is worth it.

Even being generous and taking the Xbox marketing numbers at face value, the first Xbox had less than seven percent of owners playing online.

Ok; and how does that convince me that Xbox Live is bad again? What percentage of PS2 players played online games using their console? What about Gamecube players? Without comparing your "7%" number to anything, it means nothing.

And the latest press release from Microsoft about their online service didn't even mention the number of people currently paying the 50 dollar charge - so the numbers can't be very good.

Or maybe it didn't mention it just because it, uh, didn't happen to mention it.

And even if you are willing to stomach the online charge, 360 games have much less players than the better looking pc versions of games.

Cite, please? Additionally, "pc versions of games" doesn't imply "pc versions of the same game"... so that's pretty meaningless.

Even something as simple as Street Fighter was just talked about a couple days ago of having tremendous lag.

1) The article was talking about needing something like 13ms timing to fulfill his expectations. That's not possible over the Internet whether you're playing on a Xbox or on a super-buff PC.

2) At least Xbox Live Arcade *has* Street Fighter 2 available for purchase. Where's my downloadable version for GameCube and PS2?

Microsoft better get their act together on the online front or they are going to be completely irrelevant in the console market.

Uh. Yah. Don't hold your breath.

PS 3 Online Dark Horse (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849379)

Granted Microsoft's online offering is really nice.

But Sony is also going online in a big way this time - including free match play that Live costs $50 a year for (today).

So really, part of Sony's success depends on how well the online component works.

Re:PS 3 Online Dark Horse (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849651)

But Sony is also going online in a big way this time - including free match play that Live costs $50 a year for (today).

'course, the irony here is that the people who'll be willing to drop the dough for a PS3 would presumably be perfectly happy paying for an online service.

One time vs. subscription (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849761)

'course, the irony here is that the people who'll be willing to drop the dough for a PS3 would presumably be perfectly happy paying for an online service.

Why would you say that? I canceled cable TV and have a pay as you go cell phone plan because I don't like recurring costs. It makes a lot more sense to me to pay $500 + $0 for something I will use for five years (or more) than it does to pay $400 + $50 a year for five years.

Re:PS 3 Online Dark Horse (1)

Mark Maughan (763986) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849862)

I'm not. I am only willing to pay so much for the PS3 because it has a BluRay player. I prefer upfront costs and I don't like the Microsoft model. Perhaps I am an outlier.

PS3 Baaaaaby! (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849137)

The $499 PS3:

1080p BluRay movies over component
BluRay Live support - additional dynamic content updates and information for movies
DLNA compliance - www dlna org/home/
1080p Games over component
Free online play for all non-MMORPG titles - confirmed over and over again by Sony
Full backwards compatibility for all PS1 titles
Full backwards compatiblity for all PS2 titles - PS2 chips included in the PS3
Linux
Homebrew development
Online movie and music store
Webbrowsing and other desktop apps
Tilt controller
Every single developer that supported the PS2 onboard with their games for the PS3
All parts of the system except the HDMI port are upgradeable
Harddrive upgradeable with stadard store bought drives

For 100 dollars more you get:

60 gig harddrive
WiFi
HDMI

Gran Turismo,
Metal Gear Solid
Final Fantasy
Lair
Motorstorm
Naughty Dog Jungle Game
God of War
Dragon Quest
Heavenly Sword
Ratchet and Clank...

Bend over Microsoft it's time for your second GIANT PUBLIC MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR ASSREAMING from Sony!

Re:PS3 Baaaaaby! (3, Informative)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849336)

Stop posting this crap in every PS3 thread. 1080p over component does not exist, and several of your other points may not exist either.

Re:PS3 Baaaaaby! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15850075)

The OP is an obvious PStroll, but component cabling is more than capable of handling 1080p bandwidth, as is VGA. You are only right in the sense that PS3 will be the first consumer-grade device to output 1080p natively over component to compatible display devices (which do exist), sans pricy external upscaler.

AACS may not permit 1080p over component, but if Sony says they want to allow their own games to output a specific high res over a specific carrier, NOBODY outside of the FCC (or equivalent) can stop them. I guess the short answer is that all limitations to 1080p over component/RGB/VGA are bureaucratic ones, not technical ones.

Who cares, I'm all for Wii anyway, with PS3 on the books for whenever they release a non-limited version at a reasonable price. Whooo! I'm sure my large, ISF-calibrated CRT-based HDTV (yay for accurate black levels and variable resolutions!) and I will be quite happy for the years to come.

Who says it's one or the other? (1, Insightful)

The Living Fractal (162153) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849141)

Last I recall, the gaming business is HUGE.. and growing still.

Who says if Microsoft makes a bundle of money that there won't still be a bundle for Sony and Nintendo left over? I mean, I think all of the companies can turn a profit in this industry.

And besides, the PS3 is far from just a gaming console. The Blu Ray player capability is what some might call Sony's 'stratz 4 teh win'. I have never owned a Playstation or an Xbox (I play PC games) but even I am thinking about getting a PS3 now. Though I doubt I will, there's no reason for me to want Blu Ray until major rental outlets carry them in my area. I am not someone that wants to watch a movie a hundred times, so renting them is my game.

Anyway, like I said, there's enough pie for them all to get a nice piece IMHO.

TLF

Re:Is it one or the other, or only in Paris? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849318)

One should point out that this was in Euro Gamer, so perhaps they are predicting that Sony will do relatively well in Western Europe, at least holding it's own with Nintendo. As we know, the xBox360 has done better in the EU than in Japan, so perhaps for their own particular market segment this might be true, even if worldwide we're looking at Nintendo domination with Sony a second in Japan and worldwide, while xBox360 will fill the second spot in the US.

But, since we know that most Sony business plans were based on total domination of the console slot, and that Blu-Ray sales were closely tied with this planned dominance, my guess is Sony's going to bleed a lot more before they do well in those two spheres, while Nintendo has a long track record of always being profitable on the consoles alone, and then cleaning up from the game gravy as well.

To be fair... (3, Interesting)

vertinox (846076) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849158)

Metal Gear Solid just looks freakin awesome on the PS3 that it almost made me cry when I saw the demo videos.

That said... The PS3 price tag actually made me cry along with baby Jesus.

I think my DS can hold me out for a few more years.

Wasn't the first shot already fired? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849187)

If not... what do you call the Xbox 360? oh... wait... this guy is a sony appologist, OF COURSE the party doesn't start until sony arrives. Idiot.

HOLY FUCKING SHIT (1)

mgabrys_sf (951552) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849211)

A POSTIVE article from Slashdot about Sony?

Must be a beer bash at the slashdot offices or something.

I thought I was on Digg for a minute there...

Re:HOLY FUCKING SHIT (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849449)

Posted by Zonk, no less.

Re:HOLY FUCKING SHIT (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849563)

It's full of backward compliments. This is an article trying to propagandize the debate into "Sony digging itself out of a hole"

Of course, they HAVEN'T SHIPPED A CONSOLE YET, so there is NO HOLE for them to dig out of.

I wonder whether Zonk is getting kickbacks, or is just dumb enough to FUD for Microsoft for free?

You guys have it so cheap its not funny. (4, Interesting)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849218)

In Australia/New Zealand, we regularly pay $100-120 for games, and the Xbox360 is around $700 ffs. I WISH I could pay $600 for a console. That would be a dream! Instead, I paid nearly $1000 for my ps2 on the first day, and that didn't include the extra controller/games/memory card etc.

You guys have it so cheap its not funny.

Re:You guys have it so cheap its not funny. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849292)

but is that before or after the conversion to USD? if before, it's only moderately more expensive than in America.

Re:You guys have it so cheap its not funny. (1)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849452)

Yes, with conversion, its about the same, but our average wage rates are roughly the same, dollar for dollar.

Average income, USA [ssa.gov] = approximatly $35,648.55 (2004)

Average weekly pay, New Zealand [stats.govt.nz] $586 * 52 weeks = $30472 (2005)

Now that I see it worked out, thats sorry reading. Thats a pitiful average income. I wonder about Australia.

Australian average weekly income [abs.gov.au] $816.80 * 52 = $42432 (2006)

Oh! Thats a bit better! Maybe I should move to Australia rather than the US. I was thinking about working in the US for a little while, but Austalia doens't seem that bad and it isn't that far away.

Anyway, my point is that I (on average) earn less than someone in the US, dollar for dollar, but videogames are twice as expensive.

Re:You guys have it so cheap its not funny. (1)

aliquis (678370) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850213)

So can't you just import it? Maybe used / from private person / as gift / .. ?

Re:You guys have it so cheap its not funny. (1)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850343)

No,

1. I still get killed by the exchange rate and

2. The games all region locked, effectivly. I would have to buy the games from the UK, as they run PAL TV's as well.

Just imagine how screwed they are in Japan! (1)

Corngood (736783) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850076)

Please try to understand how currencies work.

Re:Just imagine how screwed they are in Japan! (1)

bunbuntheminilop (935594) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850355)

Please try to understand the principles of burgernomics.

Notice that New Zealand is roughly the same on the BMI as the US, yet our video games are twice the price!

lol (4, Funny)

spykemail (983593) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849225)

You can't really lose to Microsft per se, you just sort of run out of money.

There's going to be a winner in the console wars? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849240)

That's funny. It seems to me that I've been hearing this same song since Atari vs. Intellivision. There will be no clear victor and until technology changes seriously. There will always be 3-4 viable consoles on the market with real support from game makers.
 
And let's not get hung up on the "slashdot effect" in the real world. No amount of DRM, rootkits or media blubbering is going to stop Joe Sixpack Jr from wanting the latest gaming box. I know that a handful of naysayers on here think that they have the market cornered on common sense but let's face facts; if we really had that much insight into the market of home entertainment what the hell are we doing posting our analysis of the situation for on slashdot for free. People who truely have the market insight are snorting coke on a private jet to the Bahamas today on your dime.
 
As much as I'm not a console man myself (my last being a 2600) I don't see any real reason for this to fail. People I know paid over twice the market value for a XBox 360 when they came out and would have paid the same exact price even if it wasn't the thing to own, at the time.
 
You may call them suckers but they're the ones paying the bills.

the only outlet (1)

sgt scrub (869860) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849251)

If IBM is able to sell MB & processor kits for the CELL platform I won't buy a PS3. Unless someone here on /. knows of a devel kit for under $600 I'll still be waiting. I prefer my games to be on my PC.

Re:the only outlet (1)

Wesley Felter (138342) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849324)

If Sony allows you to run Linux on PS3, then it becomes the Cell dev kit. Anything other than PS3 will not be sold at a loss and thus will cost more.

Re:the only outlet (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849493)

Unless you, you know, need more than the 256+256 meg of RAM that it provides. Quite a few programs do, though maybe not stuff that an average desktop user comes across. Or you need a better graphics card (or SLI) for visualisation apps. Or you need 8 instead of 7 SPEs (IBM is using Cells that fail quality control on 1 SPE as PS3 chips, they can't get the yield otherwise), or even that you need 2 or more Cells, or you're doing something involving an add-on card.

PS3 probably makes a great budget Cell workstation but it has lots of limitations from the perspective of someone doing heavy-duty stuff (i.e. the Cell workstation target market).

PS3 better drop in price quick! (4, Insightful)

Brian_Ellenberger (308720) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849333)

First, let me start with saying I owned a PS1 and a PS2. I was waiting till I heard the price of the PS3 to decide whether to get an XBox360 or wait. When I heard $500-$600 just for the console I got a 360. Why? Because despite a great job, I have a family to support and could not justify spending that much just for the console. It doesn't matter how much better it is, or how many features it has. Just plain couldn't afford it. I think that probably describes a large number of people who aren't "single no kids"---whether they are buying it for themselves or their kids. The only response I have heard to that question is, "DUDE, YOU LOZER IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD ONE YOU SUCK TOO BAD YOU DON'T DESERVE ONE.". To which I shrug, and say fine. Wii looks pretty cool and I may pick one up with the kids are a little older. And if Sony wins the console wars, and lowers the price, I may trade in the 360 for a PS3. I'm not a fanboy. But right now, it just looks like it is out of the price reach for many people.

Re:PS3 better drop in price quick! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849488)

Well I think you represent the majority of console owners out there.

In spite of how much money a person makes, they usually spend most of it before they get around to looking at "Luxury" items; Rent/Mortgage, Car Payment, Clothing Costs, Investment, and so on tend to increase at a similar level to your income meaning that most people don't have $500+ to purchase a toy at the end of the month. Items like TVs often can get past this because everyone in the family can enjoy a brand-new television, whereas your gaming system tends to exclude the wife/mother and daughters (and often some of the sons) in a household.

It is my belief that Microsoft has been strugling against this with the XBox 360 as well; at $300 and $400 it is still a difficult purchase for the family.

The Wii at $200 (an assumption by me) may very well get past this, the cost is dramatically lower than what the PS3 is and yet it (may) apeals to more than just the core-gaming demographic.

That doesn't make any sense (2, Insightful)

why-is-it (318134) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849497)

When I heard $500-$600 just for the console I got a 360. Why? Because despite a great job, I have a family to support and could not justify spending that much just for the console. It doesn't matter how much better it is, or how many features it has. Just plain couldn't afford it.

I'm sorry, but that line of reasoning does not any sense to me. If you can afford an Xbox 360 now, I assume you could have saved up the additional money to purchase a PS3 when it becomes available later this year.

It's not as if the PS3 will cost that much more than the 360. It's just incrementally more. Yes, it is expensive, but microsoft isn't exactly giving the 360 away either.

I would have been more partial to your argument if you had said you were holding out for a Wii because that was your price-point.

Like it's really an either-or proposition. (2, Insightful)

Politas (1535) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849421)

I know of many gamers who own a high-spec PC, a PS2, an Xbox, etc, etc.

The PS3 is sure to make plenty of cash, and a lot of it will come from people who already own an Xbox360 and a Wii. Hardcore gamers don't care about money.

Re:Like it's really an either-or proposition. (1)

7Prime (871679) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849758)

...yeah, when they run out, they just print up more of it!

Sony's history (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849467)

Sony pulled the CLIE from the US market, despite the fact they where making a profit, just because they had no hope of dominating the PDA market in the US.

Sony Connect music store remains poorly implimented and under marketed.

Sony demostrated no loyality to it's Playstation 2 consumers resulting in a class action lawsuit [ps2settlement.com] .

Sony demostrated no loyality to being able to install a hard drive in future iterations of the Playstation 2. If a consumer's PS2 breaks down and they get the latest version of the PS2 then Final Fantasy XI unusable and ensuring that companies would not port other classically computer style games to the PS2.

Sony demostrated no loyality to it's audio CD consumers resulting in a class action lawsuit [eff.org] .

Current reviews of HD-DVD's than Blu-Ray disks indicate that HD-DVD is preferable [slashdot.org] .

There is currently more HD-DVD titles available than Blu-Ray.

Sony's first priority for the design of Blu-Ray seems to be the triple copy-protection instead of any consumer friendly priorities.

If you don't learn from history then you are doomed to suffer when Sony again pulls an anti-consumer move.

Nintendo and Microsoft seem more interested in this latest round of consoles of delivering features to the consumer than pulling a fast one over on them and then excusing themselves from responsiblity.

I love people's lack of memory (1, Informative)

Babillon (928171) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849489)

I'd just like to point out for you all the previous prices for Sony consoles: PS2 release -> $600 Yeah, you remember when it first came out right? $600, system only, one controller, no memory card. Games were a good $60 a pop, and so was the frickin' memory card! Oh, here's the fun one... PSX original release, only in Sony Stores -> $600 I like that myself. I just love how no one remembers the fact that *all* of the Playstations in the past (save PSP, but that thing doesn't count anyway, it's a glorified portible DVD player) have been in the neighbourhood of $600. I can also remember a few PS2 games in recent memory that cost roughly $70 (well, $69.99 + tax). I don't see why people complain about the price. Personally, I'll wait until the second batch so they catch any exploders.

Re:I love people's lack of memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849581)

That's strange dude, you're the only person on the entire internet with the memory of ANY game console costing $600 except for the CD-i. I wonder why that is? perhaps because you're full of it?

Re:I love people's lack of memory (0, Troll)

Tanmi-Daiow (802793) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849614)

Even if, and thats a big if, if those prices were true, I still prefer to look at Nintendo's past of low prices. NES was $200. SNES was $200. N64 was $200. Gamecube was $200. I expect the Wii to be $200. Now, lets look and see which has a more desirable pricing past, hmm? I thought so...(not to mention that the only Nintendo games that cost more the $50 had an extra periperal with them e.g. Rumble Pack + Starfox 64; Bongos + Donkey Konga; etc...)

Re:I love people's lack of memory (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849641)

Both of the launch games for the Nintendo 64 (yes, only two launch games) cost $60. Your "extra peripheral" theory falls flat since neither Super Mario 64 nor Pilotwings 64 supported any sort of multiplayer capability.

Nintendo was roundly criticized for pricing games at $60 and prices eventually dropped, though.

Re:I love people's lack of memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15850178)

No one asked your opinion anyway, fucktard.

Re:I love people's lack of memory (1)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 7 years ago | (#15850443)

The average price for NES games was:
Big-name games: $50
Lesser-known games: $40
Budget games: $30
Greatest Hits: $20

For SNES, that changed to:
Big-name: $60
Lesser-known: $45
Budget: $25
Greatest Hits: $30

To compare/contrast, the Genesis (at roughly the same time) was like this:
Big-name: $60
Lesser-known: $40
Budget: $20
Greatest Hits: $30

The N64 stepped it up to:
Big-name: $60-$80 (depending on raw-cart costs for the much larger ROM chips)
Lesser-known: $60
Budget: $50
Greatest Hits: $50

And the reason Nintendo got so much flack for "high prices" was because the PSX (using much cheaper CD's) was priced like this:
Big-name: $50
Lesser-known: $40
Budget: $30
Greatest Hits: $20

Pretty much everyone that has made disk-based games has priced them at the PSX/NES pricing structure ever since.

Re:I love people's lack of memory (1)

Babillon (928171) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849664)

I agree wholeheartidly with your point on Nintendo's previous prices (which is one of the reasons I think Nintendo will probably be top dog this run around the block), it still doesn't change the fact that people are complaining about Sony's pricing, but convieniently forgetting their prior systems. I don't disagree that the PS3 is going to cost alot of money ($600 is alot for a system, no matter what you compare it to). I just find it funny how people forget the last two Playstations also came out excesivly expensive. As a note: My quoted rough figures are also in CAD, which may of meant something back when those systems came out, but not anymore.

Re:I love people's lack of memory (4, Informative)

dr.banes (823348) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849619)

Where are you getting $600 from for a PS2?-You're memory is all fucked up!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Playstation_2#History [wikipedia.org] Price history North America * US$299.99 (October 26, 2000, Launch Price) (CAD$449.99) * US$199.99 (May 14, 2002) (CAD$299.99) * US$179.99 (May 13, 2003) (CAD$249.99) * US$149.99 (May 11, 2004) (CAD$179.99) * US$129.99 (April 20, 2006) (CAD$139.99) Japan * JP¥39,800 (March 2000, Launch Price) * JP¥35,000 (June 29, 2001) * JP¥29,800 (November 29, 2001) * JP¥25,000 (2002) * JP¥19,800 (November 13, 2003) * JP¥17,800 (June 2004) United Kingdom * GB£299.99 (November 24, 2000, Launch Price) * GB£199.99 (September 26, 2001) * GB£169.99 (September 1, 2002) * GB£139.99 (October 1, 2003) * GB£104.99 (August 18, 2004) Taiwan, Republic of China * NT$10,900 (January 24, 2002, SCPH-30007, Launch Price) * NT$ 7,980 (January 1, 2003, SCPH-30007) * NT$ 6,980 (2003, SCPH-39007) * NT$ 6,980 (October 10, 2003, SCPH-50007) * NT$ 6,480 (January 1, 2004, SCPH-50007) * NT$ 5,888 (June 1, 2004, SCPH-50007) * NT$ 5,888 (November 3, 2004, SCPH-70007) Australia * AU$749.95 (Original Price; the price begun to drop within weeks of its launch) * AU$249.95 (Slim PS2 Launch Price) * AU$199.95 (June 1 2006 Price Drop) Germany * DEM 869 [EUR 445] (Launch) * EUR 140 (August 2006) Russia * RUR 5500 (current) Middle East * US$149 (current) Philippines As of June 2006, shop bought warrantied units of PlayStation 2 Slim (SCPH-70006) run around US$ 217. A recent month long promo of a popular console shop offers trade-in of working or non-working PlayStation console to a brand new PlayStation 2 Slim for US$ 142. Portugal * EUR 129,99 (current) Poland * PLN 2,599,00 z (starting) * PLN 549,00 z for Black Slim and 599,00 z for Silver Slim (current) Finland * Eur 500 (Launch) * Eur 149 (current) Republic of Ireland * IE£ 379 (Launch) * EUR 149 (Current)

Re:I love people's lack of memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15850072)

Dang man, use some line breaks. I might have been able to read your post then.

Re:I love people's lack of memory (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849626)

Based on the fact that you say "neighbourhood", I'm assuming that you live in either Australia or Canada, where the dollar has been worth less than the U.S. dollar (but the American dollar has been losing a lot of value lately). The PS2 started with an MSRP of US$300, but there were widespread reports of people spending over $1,000 for one at launch. I haven't seen a PS2 game debut with an MSRP of higher than US$50, except for games that include extra hardware like DDR pads or guitars.

That said, the Xbox 360 was selling for well over its MSRP after launch: many people ended up spending more than $600 for a platinum bundle. Perhaps the $500/$600 price points are just a way for Sony to milk money from the early adopters leading up to Christmas this year.

Re:I love people's lack of memory (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849669)

### I'd just like to point out for you all the previous prices for Sony consoles: PS2 release -> $600

You might be thinking about an imported PS2 or live in some kind of parallel universe, but official PS1 and PS2 prices weren't even close to $600:

US$299.99 (October 26, 2000, Launch Price)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2#Price_h istory [wikipedia.org]

Launch price in the American market: US$ 299.00
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation [wikipedia.org]

Re:I love people's lack of memory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15849710)

Whoa Im glad I dont live were you live got my Playstaion in the store when it came out 299. And the PS2 came out similarly. I do not recall a 600 dollar cost but either you speak of a none standard release or an import of the system. I followed it well I remember enos lives and still have my demo CD that has Korn on it. If these are special Sony factioned super special releases maybe they will release a 1200 special release.

If Sony and Microsoft are battle ships... (1)

LordZardoz (155141) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849732)

Than I suppose that makes Nintendo the submarine lurking below the waves, with no one quite knowing where it is or what it will ultimately do. Sure, it has a compliment of torpedo's, but will they be enough to sink either opponent?

END COMMUNICATION

What about Nintendo? (1)

nukem996 (624036) | more than 7 years ago | (#15849842)

I thought the Nintendo Wii was teh predicted winner? From everything ive read its cheaper, has better games, and a more creative/exciting user interface(the controller). Im thinking of getting one it comes out and ive been a PC only gamer for years.
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