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Combating Harassing Use of Mosquito Noise Device?

Cliff posted more than 8 years ago | from the high-tech-hijinx-and-migraines dept.

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amicold asks: "For a while now my neighborhood has had to deal with an elderly neighbor who has displayed a slightly paranoid attitude towards myself and the fellow younger-adults of the neighborhood, believing us to be attempting to harass him in our day-to-day activities. Recently, he installed a Mosquito ultrasonic noise device as an apparent attempt to 'get back at us' for our harassment. As the Mosquito emits a sound that's well out of his hearing range, he can't hear it, while most of the rest of the neighborhood is under 40 and can; at which point it's causing everyone a great deal of discomfort. Unfortunately, because the police also can't hear it, we can't get the authorities to do anything about it, leaving us empty-handed in our attempts at getting some peace and quiet back. What can we do to either help the police realize how disturbing this device is, or counteract it so that it's no longer disturbing us? And is this the first of what may be a growing trend of civilians using high-tech discomfort weapons as a method of neighborhood warfare?"

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right back at them (5, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850628)

Suggest http://www.eminent-tech.com/RWbrochure.htm [eminent-tech.com]

Re:right back at them (2, Interesting)

jpardey (569633) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850715)

Bwoom Bwoom Bwoom Bwoom Bwoom Bwoom Bwoom Bwoom..... That would be some killer kick.

Well, you could start by... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850645)

You could start by getting off his damn lawn.

Re:Well, you could start by... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850897)

no shit - you've been pownd by an old man.

Re:Well, you could start by... (1, Informative)

mcrbids (148650) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850965)

Yeah, but once you are off the damned lawn, then what?

I'd suggest that taking a look at a book that takes the subject seriously [amazon.com] .

When somebody "gets one over" on you, there are a bazillion ways to fight back. This is a funny, insightful, and comprehensive explanation of just how many options you really have.

It's amazing what you can do with a $0.99 bottle of super-glue! (Hint - a drop or two in each keyhole of his car door locks can be very entertaining)

Annoying, eh? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850647)

Annoying, eh?

Ask Slashdot? (5, Insightful)

ag0ny (59629) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850649)

Instead of "Ask Slashdot", shouldn't this be under "Ask Your Lawyer"?

Ask Shakespeare? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850723)

"Instead of "Ask Slashdot", shouldn't this be under "Ask Your Lawyer"?"

Unfortunately too many took Shakespeare's "kill all the lawyers" to heart.

Re:Ask Slashdot? (1)

bky1701 (979071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850914)

Sadly slashdot is the geek's lawyer, and I think the question is more "where do I buy an EMP" then "how do I sue an old man" anyway...

Re:Ask Slashdot? (2, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851026)

To settle disputes, turning to a lawyer may not be the correct move. I mean, a lot of times it is, but there is the chance it gets expensive and out of hand. I would consider turning to the lawyer only for egregious offenses, or a last resort.

An annoying neighbor is not there yet (as a first step) unless they start to build fences on your side of the property or something of that level.

Try this (5, Interesting)

Kozar_The_Malignant (738483) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850656)

Take pictures of it. Print out the link you have in your post and any other documentation you can find on the thing. Ask a community service officer from the police to come out. She will probably be a she. She will probably be young, and since not carrying a gun, will not have spent a bunch of time on the firing range ruining her hearing. She will hear it, and since the docs clearly show it is designed to be annoying, she will be on your side. Probably. Maybe. You can try it and hope, anyway.

Plan B. You like Hendrix, right? With breakfast. Early. Turn it up to eleven.

Re:Try this (3, Funny)

Frumious Wombat (845680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850697)

Do it yourself. If you're annoying people, DIY Hendrix is better than recorded. Be sure to wear your American Flag suit when you step out on your back deck to serenade him. An old Heathkit amp with some bad solder joints for extra distortion will help as well.

Re:Try this (5, Interesting)

Tlosk (761023) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850830)

There was a piece on NPR radio a few weeks ago about an inventor who is marketing a device similar to the mosquito one in this article only it is specifically desinged to be annoying to teenagers (he had problems with them congregating in front of his store). Amusingly his daughter then subverted it for her own use by creating ringtones of the noise so that she could turn her phone on during school (since vibra mode can still be audible in a quiet classroom) and none of the teachers can hear it even though everyone else can lol.

They even had the ringtone as a downloadable ringtone there (you can't of course hear it at all if you're over 25 or so, as you age you lose the ability to hear in those outlier frequency ranges).

Here's a link to the story:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?story Id=5434687 [npr.org]

Re:Try this (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850952)

Wow, most people can't hear that? I'll be 27 in a couple weeks and that's definitely not even at the top of my hearing range. I guess other people really can't hear when the TV is left on. (As in, when the TV is turned on but in a mode where it's just black - no picture or sound, but giving off a very high buzz that annoys the hell out of me. My husband thinks it's odd that I can tell from the next room that someone left it on, and I think it's odd that he can't.)

Re:Try this (4, Informative)

NormalVisual (565491) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851031)

I guess other people really can't hear when the TV is left on.

I can. It's the flyback transformer in your set making that noise - a very loud 15.75 KHz tone. I'm almost 40 years old and haven't taken real good care of my hearing, and it still bugs the hell out of me. One solution to the noise problem is to get a non-CRT television set (plasma, LCD, DLP, etc.).

Re:Try this (2, Funny)

fandog (900111) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851006)

an inventor who is marketing a device [snip] specifically desinged to be annoying to teenagers

Gee, all you have to do is play light jazz to drive teenagers off... And that solution is <$10. Quite an invention that light jazz.

Re:Try this (1)

Munchr (786041) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851034)

This is pretty much the same sound made by many brands of audio/video gear when they are operating, and by a few brands even when they are turned OFF. It drives me nuts when I visit my grandparents or my uncle's place. And it's torture walking through electronics stores, although with the prevalence of various flat screen technologies it's not as bad as it used to be. BTW, I'm 29 and still able to clearly hear this tone, as well as a few higher frequencies. I can't wait for them to finally dissapear with age.

Re:Try this (1)

Rudolf (43885) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851068)

How is that different from this thing?

That's exactly what this is. It's designed to annoy young people and keep them from bothering shopkeepers. There's even a link to ringtones. (Mosquito is the name of the device)

Re:Try this (4, Insightful)

rolfwind (528248) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851005)

Or at night, plan a raid, whereby you break the device in such a fashion that all the nice little leds stay on (take out the speaker or whatever makes the noise). This will require a screwdriver and you bringing it back to your place. The old man, never having heard the device doesn't know it is broken and is happy annoying you and you are happy as well. Everybody wins^_^

Quit bitching (4, Funny)

sockman (133264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850659)

And record the "noise" phase shift it by 180, and play it on your stero. Viola, no mosquito.

Re:Quit bitching (4, Informative)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850685)

Yeah, that will work great in a two dimensional world. Here in three dimensions it will suck a lot in all the places where amplitude is doubled instead.

Re:Quit bitching (1)

sockman (133264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850691)

It'll be fine since mosquito noise isn't that far from white noise, on average it will cancel out.

Re:Quit bitching (1)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850714)

I can't tell if you're serious or not.

Please tell me you're joking.

Re:Quit bitching (1)

sockman (133264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850799)

Yes, ok, white noise is across the full spectrum. Mosquito noise may be concentrated at a certain center frequency, but it is still spread fairly evenly around that frequency hence any signal which has the same average frequency domain spectrum will dim the noise. Seriously, if he wants the noise gone at his house, this will be a good solution. When his neighbors get annoyed enough to complain eventually the authorities will respond.

Re:Quit bitching (2, Informative)

ToasterofDOOM (878240) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850690)

That will work, but only at certain angles. Really, you don't need to 'Phase shift' it, that happens naturally. All he needs to do is play the sound an integer + 1/2 number of wavelengths away from the original source and at the same volume, and he should be as close to inline with both sources as possible. Really, you were right in concept though. It's basically a moire effect for waves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_noise_control [wikipedia.org] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase_cancellation [wikipedia.org]

Re:Quit bitching (1)

ToasterofDOOM (878240) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850702)

it acts very similar to 2-slit diffraction

PLL (2, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850707)

He could use microphone and amplifier to pick up the signal and a phase locked loop to divide the frequency by two, then feed the lot into a really big speaker. The only hard part is convincing people that the bad noise is really coming from over there.

OTH how about using the stereo effect? If the neighbour on the other side can go along with it bracket his place with speakers and feed the signal in so it appears to be coming from the original location? I like this article. Lots of hacking potential.

Re:Quit bitching (1)

bassgoonist (876907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850693)

Uh...that's not gonna work...all the different places his noise maker is bouncing off...you'll likely just add a 'warble' to it if you do that.

Re:Quit bitching (1)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850705)

Ummm. This does not work. Headphones that use this technology effectively cancel outside noicse. However, the "anti-noise" has to be in synch with the emitting, outside noise. Imagine two waves... One by a 200 pound man jumping in the water, another by an identical 200 lb man. The waves will at certain points cancel each other. At others, they will actually add to each other. It depends on where you are in the water relative to the two men.

Your solution would cause a doubling of the noise for certain areas, partial addition or cancellation for most, and an exact negation for a small area.

Re:Quit bitching (1)

sockman (133264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850787)

For certain areas... ala his house. Sounds good to me.

Re:Quit bitching (1)

Eideewt (603267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850911)

Not for his house. Possible for a very small portion of his house, if nothing was reflecting the waves. Also, à la does not mean what you think it means.

a la (1)

sockman (133264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850957)

in the manner of

sure, perhaps my grammar was poor, but for american english it's just fine. you should read "Eats, Shoots & Leaves" since you really care so much.

Re:a la (1)

Eideewt (603267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851067)

I have read it. You'd do better to read it, although I don't recall it dealing with your deficiencies specifically. I think it mentions capitalization.

Re:Quit bitching (1)

Valdrax (32670) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850819)

Not only is this technically impossible, but it also doesn't address the problem of the person in question being a public nuisance who should be punished under the law.

You kids!! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850660)

Get off my lawn!

Get a young police officer... (3, Interesting)

gweihir (88907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850663)

I think the only way to go is the legal route. Try to get a young police officer. If that fails, get an expert that can measure the signal and testify about ist impact on younger people. I would be surprised very much if hwat your neoghbour does is legal.

Re:Get a young police officer... (5, Funny)

jpardey (569633) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850681)

If you can't get a young police officer, kidnap a young police officer's young child and strap him to your neighbour's lawn. This will give the police someone to trust, and will also get you away from the house for a few years.

Re:Get a young police officer... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850688)

I think the only way to go is the legal route. Try to get a young police officer. If that fails, get an expert that can measure the signal and testify about ist impact on younger people. I would be surprised very much if hwat your neoghbour does is legal.

I strongly disagree. This is one of those little things that is best solved without getting the justice system involved. Seriously. He's trying to pick a fight. Just go steal his noisemaker, or slice its power cord or something at 2AM in the morning. Maybe he'll call the cops, but they can't do anything without a witness. (Don't threaten him or vandalize anything else - that's escalation.) Everybody learns a little lesson, and hopefully everybody won't be such asshats in the future. Getting the authorities involved is just a long, expensive, pointless process that probably won't solve the problem anyways.

Re:Get a young police officer... (5, Funny)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850699)

slice its power cord or something at 2AM in the morning

Dispite the redundancy in there, I think that's a great idea! If you keep complaining about the damned thing after you've disabled it, he won't even know it's broken.

Re:Get a young police officer... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850808)

What redundancy? Dude, he should do it at 2AM in the night, when it's dark out. He'd get caught if he did it in the morning.

Re:Get a young police officer... (1)

bunions (970377) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850845)

Hilarious and true.

Re:Get a young police officer... (1)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850734)

I agree with you there. What can he do, sue the whole neighborhood for interfering with his right to annoy everyone?

Re:Get a young police officer... (1)

Vary Krishna (885632) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850824)

I love that this is the most sensible suggestion so far. Do it! You'll be a local hero! Although, anyone who's willing to buy a device that costs almost $1,000 American (and that's before shipping) just to annoy his neighbors has to have some serious issues. As in ordered-around-by-his-dog, saves-his-toenail-clippings, young-women's-heads-stored-in-the-freezer issues. I'd move.

still out of luck, time for plan B or C. (0, Offtopic)

twitter (104583) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850891)

Most noise laws would not ban a mosquito device. I've seen people defeated with noise meters on the front porch of their house next to a frat party going full blast. While annoying to any normal person, it was not illegally loud.

Your best chances are to be a little less paranoid and irritable yourself. Did he tell you he was out to get you or did you imagine that? He might really just be out to get the bugs? Offer to buy him a better model bug zapper. How could he refuse an offer like that? Of course, you could be right and he hates you for no good reason and you will have to learn to live with it. He can buy as many zappers as you break and get you arrested besides. In that case, drink another beer and turn the music up another notch.

The general rule is that being friendly in the first place is cheap, confrontation is expensive, and ignoring the problem makes it go away.

Re:still out of luck, time for plan B or C. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15851010)

"He might really just be out to get the bugs?"

erm, mosquito is the name of the product. It's a "youth deterrent system".

In other words, it has one, and only one, purpose: pissing off people whose ears work.

Re:still out of luck, time for plan B or C. (4, Informative)

Rudolf (43885) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851041)

He might really just be out to get the bugs? Offer to buy him a better model bug zapper.

If you follow the link in the story, you'd see that the neighbor in question did not install an insect control device (bug zapper) but rather something specifically designed to annoy young people and drive them away. (Mosquito is the brand name). From the link:

The Mosquito ultrasonic teenage deterrent ... With an effective range of between fifteen and twenty meters Compound Security Devices field trials have shown that teenagers are acutely aware of the Mosquito and usually move away from the area within just a couple of minutes.....Mosquito ultrasonic deterrent can solve your problem.


Did he tell you he was out to get you...?

Based on the device the guy installed, I think it goes without saying.

Observation (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850671)

Not that I'm condoning any particular course of action, but I just though it worth pointing out that if he can't hear it himself, he can't tell if it's still functioning. Just an observation.

Re:Observation (4, Insightful)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850733)

if he can't hear it himself, he can't tell if it's still functioning.

Only if the poster stops complaining. So if the device has an accident with a pair of wire cutters in the middle of the night one should continue to act outraged for a while.

how about (4, Insightful)

teh_mykel (756567) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850673)

how about you go talk to him, ask him to turn it off maybe?

Skip the police. (5, Insightful)

ivan256 (17499) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850677)

Who needs the cops? Sue him. He'll take it down in seconds. You won't even have to go to court.

Then, all you need to do is be annoying enough that he moves to Florida. (Unless you already live in Florida, in which case you're screwed.)

Re:Skip the police. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850768)

This is probably not a unique occurence. Go for a class action suit. Sue the manufacturer and all their other customers using the product.

Re:Skip the police. (5, Insightful)

linuxtelephony (141049) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850874)

Claim it's damaging your ears and killing your ability to hear sounds in the higher frequency range. If it's on after 10PM (or whatever the local disturbing the peace violations occur), call the cops and report that high pitch noise is disrupting your peace. Have all the neighbors also call. If it's more than one household, they'll do something. When the responding officers don't do anything, get their names and badge numbers (but, as we learned earlier, don't videotape them unless you want to be a martyr) and then call and complain that they responding officers failed to stop the disturbance in the neighborhood and ask for supervisors.

Beat frequency (5, Interesting)

MichaelSmith (789609) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850680)

Build a similar device to emit noise at a slightly different frequency. The result will be horrible sounds as the two waves interfere. The horrible sounds will seem to come from both your source and the original source. You may get the blame but at least the cops/etc will believe that an issue exists.

Long Range Acoustic Device (1)

dduardo (592868) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850698)

All you need to do is point this system at his home: LRAD [atcsd.com] . This is the same technology they use to diperse rioters.

ideas (2, Funny)

alienw (585907) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850704)

Well, if the cops don't care, you don't need to stick to legal means. I hear BB guns work pretty well for destroying plastic things. Paintball markers are also quite excellent for this purpose. Or use a nice big water gun on it. Of course, I recommend you just call the cops again. There are plenty of cops under 40.

Egg 'im (5, Funny)

talkingpaperclip (952112) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850706)

Just egg his house. That will surely make him realize his immaturity and bring a swift end to his harassment.

Damn them! Damn them! (1)

Kamineko (851857) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850712)

Damn those mosquitoes! They constantly harass me with their noise devices!

Curses!

Take it to City Hall (1)

amrust (686727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850718)

Just have your parents all complain to the Mayor/Council at the next City Council meeting. Have them all explain they would love to come out and vote, but the noise outside drives them crazy, so they'll probably have to stay inside on election day.

Problem solved.

Re:Take it to City Hall (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850847)

"Fix this petty problem I'm having with my neighbor or I won't vote for you! And wipe my ass while you're here, I'm too helpless and limp-wristed to do it!"

Go back to crying yourself to sleep you pathetic pansy. Some of us have a spine and don't run crying like a little bitch our parents to beg our elected officials to fix every little problem in our lives.

Re:Take it to City Hall (1)

amrust (686727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850852)

"Some of us have a spine..."

This coming from someone posting as Anonymous Coward?

Hmmmm (5, Interesting)

MyLongNickName (822545) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850724)

Am I the only one that thinks this is a novel Slashvertizement?

How many of you thought "hmmmm. I could use this to really annoy xxx"?

And note that the link goes to a specifc supplier of such items. Not a generic link.... say a wiki. I mean, who really believes that some guy cannot get a cop under 40. Cannot figure out that he should talk to the police and explain more, or maybe go to see a lawyer... or maybe sneak into his neighbor's year with a baseball bat and a ski mask?

Re:Hmmmm (2, Informative)

Mr. Slippery (47854) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850886)

Not a generic link.... say a wiki. I mean, who really believes that some guy cannot get a cop under 40.

I believe this device is only made by one manufacturer (patented, probably). And according to the web site of the anti-social child-torturing bastards ("Won't somebody please think of the children, and ban this horrible thing?!?!") who make this device, the high frequencies it uses are generally inaudible to people over 20.

Dragonflys eat mosquitos (1)

alshithead (981606) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850728)

Build a giant electronic dragonfly to eat it!

Actually, he's a smart old chap isn't he? Most noise ordinances are based on excessive decibels. A lawsuit is most likely to be effective but you should probably hire a good (expensive) lawyer and hope for a very young judge if you go that route. Of course, the simpler but more dangerous route of putting the thing out of commission. Gamo makes some pretty serious air rifles. Stick to a non-powder gun to minimize the risk of jail time in case you get caught. Or, you could even try to steal it and chuck it in a lake. Take precautions to hide your identity in case the smart old cuss has video too. I am not advocating that you break any laws. I've just listed several options.

Re:Dragonflys eat mosquitos (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850775)

putting the thing out of commission. Gamo makes some pretty serious air rifles.

If he's gonna go that far, he might as well do it right:

http://slashdot.org/articles/99/09/10/0826258.shtm l [slashdot.org]

This should take the device out of comission, as well as any other electronic device in the codger's vicinity.

Do an end run around him. (5, Funny)

Mattintosh (758112) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850730)

Several (disjointed) ideas sprang to mind:

1) Get a sound meter (dB meter, noise level meter, or whatever it's called where you are) and call the cops again. Show the meter to the officer.
2) Buy big speakers and send some noise his direction that he CAN hear. I recommend NES chiptunes.
3) Disconnect the device without his knowledge. He can't hear it, so he can't tell if it's working or not.
4) Kick the neighbor in the nuts. If he gets angry, kick him in the nuts again. If he threatens you, proceed to #5.
5) Shoot him. You didn't need the curmudgeonly bastard anyway. Take his stuff and tell his family he went on vacation to BFE. Be sure to dispose of his body properly - through a wood chipper, then burn the chunks. Invite other young neighbors over for BBQ. Display a big cookbook with a cover that says "To Serve Annoying Old Neighbors".

(And just for the humor impaired, options 4 and 5 are not serious. I am not the voice in your head telling you to assault or kill your neighbor. That voice is named Larry. I'm Matt.)

£495 ...? (4, Informative)

euxneks (516538) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850732)

This guy spent £495 to annoy the shit out of you? Either you deserved this, or the guy is a complete prick, in the latter case, fight fire with fire. Get some _very_ large subwoofers, a good amp, and play a song like Hootchie Mama [stlyrics.com] by 2 live crew, or if that's not your style, maybe something like "Superpredators" by Massive Attack.
    Or, even if you don't like that, just find something with real spleen shattering bass and just blast it.

Also, for those interested, I found a link to the mosquito sound here [bbc.co.uk] from an article at the Beeb here [bbc.co.uk] , also, another interesting turn-around:
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/05/24/kids_turn_tee n_repel.html [boingboing.net]
Quite fascinating...

I hear nothing? (1)

The MAZZTer (911996) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850800)

I don't hear anything from that link. I'm only 20. Is this good or bad? :/

Re:I hear nothing? (1)

sockman (133264) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850818)

Bad... I'm 26, I was in Iraq around loud machine gun fire, and I can hear it. Man it's annoying. Stupid teenagers.

Re:I hear nothing? (1)

karnal (22275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850837)

Holy crap, are you serious?

I have a slightly damaged left ear, and I hear the high pitched tone there... Of course, you can never get your hearing loss to go to childhood levels, but nowadays I play my drums with earplugs, and I also wear earplugs when I mow the lawn.

Every piece saved for the love of my music... I would go insane if I were to go deaf.

Re:I hear nothing? (2, Interesting)

Mo6eB (832959) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850932)

Tried turning up your speakers? I can hear it and it is bloody annoying. I do not think I would be able to restrain myself from killing, or at least infilcting great bodily harm to the owner for more than 5 minutes, should he refuse to stop the device.

Re:I hear nothing? (1)

Kuukai (865890) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850937)

Probably not, I know a few people around your age who can't hear it and heck, it doesn't bother my dog at all. I can hear it though, but it's not nearly as annoying as another sound I heard in a poorly recorded mp3 that the same people can't hear (also that insanely awful one at the end of a feedback loop)... If he spent over half a grand on this particular sound, he's retarded. He should have asked some young people which sounds annoy them more. Of course, they would have lied, but still...

Re:I hear nothing? (1)

VoidWraith (797276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851040)

In the MP3 found around there, all I could hear was people milling around. I'm 18 and I don't often listen to incredibly loud music. My guess is our computer speakers can't play that frequency, since in physics class I was able to hear extremely high pitch noise that, say, my teacher couldn't. I don't usually hear televisions anymore though, they used to drive me nuts if there wasn't any audio on. Not a bad thing, in my book =P

Re:I hear nothing? (1)

fandog (900111) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851044)

Just learned my $10 pc speakers top out at 14k Hz. (apparently 6k too low) Is it just like a high warble or what?

Re:£495 ...? (2, Interesting)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850950)

Well, I'm of the mind they *are* making a lot of noise carelessly; I have neighbors that do so, and don't seem to give a damn. His reaction sounds exactly like something I want to do to people who are disrespectful to me like that. Except that I have very sensitive hearing, so that would hurt me too.

Why did it never occur to them that they might just be experiencing what he was previously? Are they reading to negotiate a deal, which would require admitting they did exactly what he's doing?

A couple solutions come to mind... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15850751)

A few years back I saw a tv show deomnstrate a home-brew electromagnetic pulse device that could shut off a car. I suppose something like that would shut down the buzzer - and probably anything else nearby. You might have the added benifit that the old fellow won't notice the buzzer is dead, since he can't hear it.

The rub is that it's probably illegal, cost prohibitive, and potentially really hazardous if the old fellow has a pacemaker or other medical gear.

There is a legal, affordable, and perfectly acceptable alternative though: http://www.envirosafetyproducts.com/cats.php?id=28 2 [envirosafetyproducts.com]

IANAL (1)

TCQuad (537187) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850755)

Break into his home and disable the device. Since he can't hear it, he won't know it's broken. Actually, since these are usually installed outside, breaking and entering may not even be required. Just don't damage the outside of the case while cutting the wires and you'll be fine.

Let me tell you how this works (2, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850772)

I recognize this situation. The woman is a sociopath. She is doing all this to make people around her jump, for the purpose of her own amusement.

There's really only one thing to do when faced with a sociopath, and that's to completely stay our of her life entirely. She's so completely emotionally different from you that she's practically not human. Really, her only purpose in life, the only way she can break the monotony of feeling only primitive emotions is to think of ways to make all the people around her jump.

But since you don't have that option, you can at least fight back. This will NOT solve your problem because she can't stop what she's doing. But it'll be fun.

I recommend that if she has a dog or cat, kill it, paint the inside of her car with the feces and blood, dump the organs down her chimney, and throw what's left through her front window. Let her stew on that a while. After she gets her car and house cleaned up, get a can of gas and burn them both to the ground. That's about what it's going to take to stop this old lady if she's truly a sociopath, short of putting her in the hospital or worse.

If you're not willing or able to do this, then you really need to consider what you're going to do. Measured responses are going to be worse than doing nothing at all. Maybe you should disable her noisemaker device somehow. She can't hear it anyway, how will she know it's broken?

Fight fire with out-of-phase fire (1)

ipoverscsi (523760) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850781)

Buy yourself a Mosquito and shift the phase to cancel out his. It might not protect the entire neighborhood, but at least you'll have some peace and quite in your own home.

Noise Cancelling (5, Funny)

CompotatoJ (848808) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850807)

You could try setting up a device (such as a stereo or computer speakers) which cancels out the noise which I believe is 17KHz. If you emit the exact opposite sound, they will cancel out each other. It uses the same principle as noise-cancelling headphones. I hope this ASCII drawing of how the waves will interact helps:
Mosquito Wave: /^\/^\/^\

Opposite Wave: \_/\_/\_/

= Combination: ---------

Apply System Engineering: Full Analysis (4, Insightful)

cmholm (69081) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850850)

Analysis: before implementing a solution, is to make sure you've got the full picture. Note that your neighbor is in fact being harassed by something, if not intentionally. What is that thing? If it's something you are doing... Trade Study: will it be a major or minor imposition to not do it; can you bring yourself to politely inform your neighbor that you'll not do it in exchange for taking the offending device offline?

If either you or the neighbor doesn't want to deal: since you've already alerted the authorities that the device is an issue, I'd pass on petty crime or felony-based solutions you likely suspect, you. You and your neighors should keep a running record of your complaints to the police. You might try borrowing/buying a meter that'll measure the dB of the frequency in question. Then, while you can ask for a younger officer that can hear the noise, if you get someone my age, at least the officer will have something to go on.

If you get the device taken offline without dealing with what's pissing your neighbor off, you may just be trading one headache for another.

Easy solution (1)

SpacePunk (17960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850855)

Looks like it's an exterior device. Just hit it with paintballs... repeatedly.

If it doesn't outright break, the paint might gum it up so that it doesn't work properly.

Re:Easy solution (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850988)

"wrist rocket" style slingshot with ball bearing ammunition.

it will make short work of the device, and you can also shoot out a few windows firing bb's to get revenge

You call this a neighbor problem? (2, Funny)

Tal Cohen (4834) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850872)

Our neighbors are firing Katyusha rockets at us.

Re:You call this a neighbor problem? (1)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850917)

Our neighbors are firing Katyusha rockets at us.

And just like the guy in the article, you arn't doing anything to inflame the situation at all!

Re:You call this a neighbor problem? (1, Insightful)

Trogre (513942) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851032)

Unfortunately it's not quite so simple.
The situation can be summarised as follows:

If the Arabs put down their weapons there would be peace.

If the Israelis put down their weapons there would be genocide.

Re:You call this a neighbor problem? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15851051)

Oh, sure, because we know that Israelis are the PICTURE of restraint around unarmed Arabs [wikipedia.org] . Drop the victim act already, it doesn't score you any points because the rest of the world knows you're as dirty as the people you're fighting.

I can relate... (5, Funny)

Pig Hogger (10379) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850893)

I can relate...

Two years ago, the building next to mine was being totally renovated (they gutted everything but the outside walls).

And they had that big honking alarm that would go off each time a cat or a bird would go inside the structure.

Of course, it went off at 2 in the morning many times.

After a few weeks, we got to get pretty pissed at it, so I started to grab a pair of cutters, and enter the place despite it being barricaded (from the third floor, the balconies of the respective buildings are only 2 feet away). Then it's just a matter of finding the wire and snipping it.

Of course, they would fix it, until the next snip...

The last time I did it (at 3 in the morning), I was so pissed that I cut the wire in about 200 one inch long little sections. This must have drove the message home because that's the last time we heard the fucking alarm...

Do this (5, Funny)

Kohath (38547) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850918)

Here's the plan:

1. Spend the next 30-40 years breeding and training vicious attack dogs
2. Now you're over 40 and can hear it any more. (Plus, everyone loves dogs -- bonus.)

It's foolproof.

Some Suggestions (1)

Kuukai (865890) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850947)

What I would do if I were you is pretend that the thing stopped working/you got used to it (you can make him guess at which). Cut through his grass, chat on his sidewalk, play hockey next door, etc. Keep your cool, irritate him and help realize all his greatest fears about youngins without breaking a single law. It might take some willpower, but if you can convince him it isn't working at all, he'll probably either get rid of it or replace it, at which point you can continue annoying him and ignoring it until he either runs his nest egg dry on these overpriced pieces of crap or gives up...

Alternatively, you could just wait it out. You can expedite the process by going to rock concerts every night and working part-time in a bell tower.

One last suggestion would be to do something extremely annoying yet legal back at him, like Christmassing up the side of your house that faces him with 300 watt lights and focusing mirrors at night. If he calls the cops, tell them it "faces Mecca" or something, they'll love that...

Day-to-day activities? (-1, Troll)

N. P. Coward (953833) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850955)

my neighborhood has had to deal with an elderly neighbor who has displayed a slightly paranoid attitude towards myself and the fellow younger-adults of the neighborhood, believing us to be attempting to harass him in our day-to-day activities
Ooooh, a neighbor is protecting me from West Nile virus! Ooooh, I must whine like an uber-post-working-class golden-child!

I've never had a "day-to-day activity" that caused strife. What're you doing? Slinging vials of crack?

Paranoid is as paranoid does. Perhaps you are actually and completely a pain in the ass?

Ask Dear Abby ... leave Slashdot alone.

My, my, my... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15851066)

YOU are a real DICK.

Must SUCK to be YOU.

Noise is part of living in a city. (0, Troll)

aersixb9 (267695) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850959)

It's 10:41 and all is silent. There's a few cars around. I guess everybody keeps the same schedule, and does nothing fun and loud such as blowtorching or using powerful engines to do work. Perhaps instead of calling gunfighters to shoot and/or cage people that make noise, we should all just enjoy the noises of creation. Hammering makes noise. Sawing makes noise. God forbid people use those newfangled 'engines' to build things, or powerful vehicles within the city at night, because it hurts people's ears. Sort of similar to stabbing them in the ears with a hot metal spike, except minus the crippling injury.

If nobody does anything, then there will be perfect silence. We're almost there now. Perhaps if everybody and everything died, then there would be no noise at all?

Perhaps if you were more tolerant of the people around you making noise, you could make noise too.

Don't get mad, get even (1)

zbuffered (125292) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850982)

With your very own HERF Gun [slashdot.org] ! Send this guy back to the 30's from the comfort of your own hDISCONNECTED

fact (1)

Lehk228 (705449) | more than 8 years ago | (#15850992)

fact: if his house burns down the device will no longer funtion

i do not advocate any particular aciton, i am merely pointing out an obvious fact.

overly obvious answer? (1)

Kargan (250092) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851003)

Well, since he can't hear it, apparently, why don't you just wait for him to leave home or go to sleep, then go turn it off?

Whippersnappers ... (1)

Infernal Device (865066) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851011)

Well, maybe you kids oughtta stay off his damn lawn ...

Get it wet with a super soaker water pistol. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15851021)

Be the juvenille and have a big water pistol fight and inadvertantly get the thing really good and wet if it just happens to be outside. If he complains to the police that you stopped it from working, then he is the one who is then going to have to explain to the police what it did in the first place.

burn it (1)

dindi (78034) | more than 8 years ago | (#15851048)

10 Walk in, (the garden/home) pour gas, drop lighter ...

20 confirm if device is gone
30 sleep
40 if sound.isOn goto 10

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