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Mac Pro, Mac OS X Virtual Desktops Announced at WWDC

timothy posted more than 8 years ago | from the and-many-more dept.

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haym37 writes "Of the many announcements yet to come at WWDC, the first is the announcement of the Mac Pro. The Mac Pro contains two Intel Xeons, up to 3 GHz, and is supposed to be 1.6x to 2.1x the speed of the PowerMac G5 quad. It can hold up to 2 TB of internal storage and up to 16 GB of memory. The graphics card can be up to a Radeon x1900 or an FX4500. The case will be the same as the PowerMac." MacRumors.com is providing running coverage from the floor (Note: "[U]pdates will be automatically inserted at the top of the updates section. Do not reload manually."), including another announcement that OS X will include virtual desktops. What a great idea!

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first (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15860296)

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FP? (2, Interesting)

dosius (230542) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860303)

I'd just like to see more OSX capability in GNUSTEP, so that we can have a free and open OSX as we're getting a free and open Windoze in ReactOS.

-uso.

Re:FP? (3, Informative)

INeededALogin (771371) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860520)

Slashdot moderators obviously don't know what on-topic is. Please read [wikipedia.org]

Let me write a paper to explain why this is on-topic(*sigh*).

While the summary of the Article states what Apple is adding, it specifically points fun at Virtual Desktops. The link for Virtual Desktops goes off to the Wikipedia page which shows us tons of applications and even information that Apple just announced this(go Wikipedia). So, the parent is saying... why the heck are we giving Apple a hardtime for implementing Virtual Desktops when "our" open-sourced version of OSX(GNUStep) have not been updated nearly as aggresively with the new functionality.

This is a very relevant post because this is insightful in regards to the Article Summary. How can we say, "thats a great idea... point to existing example", without saying... "man... i wish the community would implement some of these other things in OSX such as Spotlight, Dashboard, Expose, etc etc etc". I wish that GNUStep could at least compile my Cocoa applications.

My keynote thoughts so far... (5, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860319)

I'll go through my impressions mostly in order (I'm writing this in TextEdit as I follow the keynote). Not much surprise in the Mac Pro department (although it's nice to hear that they are actually cheaper). The pure 64-bit OS was predicted and is unsurprising. I like the little jabs at Microsoft. It's one thing to say "MS steals from us" but to put up comparison shots is just great, after all the features are just implemented so closely. The price comparisons were neat, but I wonder how long they will hold (I don't think Dell will take it in stride, their prices will get adjusted I'm betting).

I've gotta say I love the idea of Time Machine. I'm glad they put that in there. Considering how little hard drive space the average person uses compared to how much space is in new computers, this is an excellent feature. Now I don't have to use some stupid 3rd party program any more. I question the interface a little though.

They are building Front Row into Leopard. That's kind of neat, although I don't see myself using it right now. Still, if I was in a dorm and had my iMac or something I bet it would be great.

Spaces! Seems like the true virtual desktops that everyone has been asking for. I like the idea that you can pre-create a space and then launch it and it will bring those apps up (if I'm reading about it right). That would be fantastic.

I'm glad they improved Spotlight. It is a tiny bit pokey on my 1.67 GHz G4. To use it as an application launcher is great. I used it that way for a while but it was just too slow, so I started using Quicksilver (although I don't use any of QS's advanced features). The ability to search across your home network is KILLER and would save my parents SO MUCH TIME from how they do things on Windows.

CoreAnimation looks interesting and I bet a few people will do some incredible stuff with it, although it's also one of those features I can see being abused. I found it very interesting they promoted Universal Access. You never hear about that in the Windows world (I know it's there, it just doesn't ever seem to be talked about on mainstream sites).

Moving ToDos into Mail is interesting. The idea that ToDos can be moved into multiple applications and they all talk with the same database is quite nice. I'm sure quite a few people will like the stationary idea, but to me e-mail is best as plain text. I can only see that ending up like looking at my little sister's AIM conversations. You want to talk about eye-bleeding-color-schemes (and they say men have no sense of color). Notes is great too. I've been using the scheme that I've used since I was on Windows (type them out in TextEdit or NotePad and just save 'em). Still, having the pictures in there well and making it look like the iWeb templates is nice. I haven't seen any other e-mail software really try something like that (not that I've looked).

Note: iWeb needs a SERIOUS update. It really proves the "Apple 1.0" theory.

I've got to say, these improvements to iCal and iMail just make me want a new Newton all the more. My Windows Mobile 2k3 device is just so clunky compared to iCal or the Newtons of olde.

Web Clip looks killer. That is just a great feature. I have quite a few sites where I only look at one little portion and to be able to bring up Dashboard and see that portion would be great. Only Apple seems to make it that easy for an end user. Why go search to see if someone has made the widget you need when you can do it yourself so easily? "See Grandma, computers aren't so scary."

Being able to show photos to people over an iChat chat is great.

My only real complaints with OS X as it is now are kind of minor. Dashboard sucks up WAY too much CPU (especially when starting). I'd like to see finder be multi-threaded, you can occasionally see it need it. I'd like to see a special button put on the MacBooks to activate Expose. Using F9-F12 is clumsy when F9 and F10 are already bound to something else and you have to hit "function". Using the screen corners just causes me to trigger it accidently all the time. RSS in Safari uses up a TON of CPU also. And I'd still love an Airport Express for video.

I also wish they would bring back the live video of the event so I don't have to read it all on Engadget (who provides photos unlike most of the Mac sites, and is getting 600K page views a minute).

I can't wait for Leopard! I've been trying to push my parents onto Macs (and I think I've got it done the next time they buy computers). It looks like Leopard will make my life so much easier (by not having to fix/find things for them).

I realize this is long, so I'll reply to myself with my thoughts on whatever comes next.

Re:My keynote thoughts so far... (1)

DurendalMac (736637) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860411)

I'm guessing that Apple has seriously clamped down on Widget resource hogging, or at least they'd have better done so. I know I'm gonna have a lot more widgets now, and I don't want them chewing up a lot of resources in the background.

Re:My keynote thoughts so far... (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860526)

Not to mention the lag. I used to have the iTunes widget in my dashboard thinking it would be a quick way to change tracks, pause it if I need to etc. Instead I found that the time it took to summon dashboard and for the widget to become responsive(keep in mind the only other widget I had was calculator) I could have just as easily clicked on iTunes in the dashboard and paused it from there. Even with just calculator on my G4 powerbook 1.5Ghz it's just too slow!

Re:My keynote thoughts so far... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15860430)

Naturally, as with all Intel-based Macs, it will contain a special chip to implement DRM in hardware (remember the so-called Fritz chip that was proposed a few years ago.). See here [blogspot.com] for the proof, and here [cam.ac.uk] for some detail on the level of control that this "hobble" gives to Apple over your crippled machine.

You could think of it as an anti-piracy chip -- but that would be underestimating just how abusive the hardware is. Essentially, the chip allows Apple to verify that you are running software of which they approve, and to encrypt their code so that you cannot find out what your machine is going... as a bonus, it allows Apple to take Free software a "lock" it... preventing any modification that can still be used. This combination of features also has severe privacy issues -- not only does it allows for secret code, but also the secure identification of the machine (each chip has a unique serial number).

Face it: they sold you a brain-damaged machine. One that was actually designed to be defective and work against you.

Re:My keynote thoughts so far... (2, Insightful)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860465)

Let me be the one to crush your arguments... please?

First of all, why post in this particular thread? Your issues are unrelated to this.

Sure, the hardware _could_ be easily abused, but as of yet it isn't. So all your speculations, whilst nice, remain nothing more than that.

And yes, each chip has a unique serial number. Which is more or less the point. Of a _serial_ number. That it is different, unique. So you can track its production history if it decides to fail, for instance.

Bye for now!

Re:My keynote thoughts so far... (2, Funny)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860434)

"Web Clip looks killer. "

Well, if you have 62 online comics you want to keep track with like me, dashboard really isn't up to the task. I keep a bookmark auto-open folder with all my online comics; at the press of a button, all 62 of them load in tabs in the Safari window.

B.

"MS steals from us" (0, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15860466)

> Moving ToDos into Mail is interesting.

I know! I remember when Microsoft Outlook came out in the 90's with that.

> Spaces! Seems like the true virtual desktops that everyone has been asking for.

How innovative!

Re:My keynote thoughts so far... (5, Informative)

also-rr (980579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860473)

Dashboard sucks up WAY too much CPU (especially when starting)

Are you sure it's Dashboard and not the widgets? I installed SuperKaramba and a few changes [revis.co.uk] to the widget files dropped CPU usage from 30%+ to under 1%.

If the widgets for Dashboard are also written by non-programmers they may be suffering from the same problems of polling too frequently. Why on earth do you need to update a display of how much hard disk space there is available every 100ms anyway!

Re:My keynote thoughts so far... (-1, Troll)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860553)

Timemachine? Gee Windows XP has had that feature for quite a while...

Never understood why the mac world seems to gloss over the fact that Apple steals from Microsoft's ideas just as Microsoft steals from Apple...

Photocopied! (5, Insightful)

bandrzej (688764) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860326)

About time with the virtual windows! Took them long enough...all other major *nix based window managers have them. Makes their "photocopying" comment at WWDC seem double edged, eh?

Too bad about natural virtualization in OS X though. At least VM Ware is now coming to the party.

Re:Photocopied! (1)

aesiamun (862627) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860362)

I don't think they said it wasn't coming. They left a buttload of information out in order to avoid having photocopiers working over time :)

I don't know if it will be there in the spring or not, but you can't cut it out just yet :)

I'll take a better kbd driver for Windows XP (5, Interesting)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860337)

I'm loving Boot Camp and the ability to use my Macbook Pro at home (OS X) and work (Windows XP). I had to use Windows Server 2003 Resource Kit to remap the right-hand Command key into a "delete" button so I could log into our domain...and I don't have the ability to use home/end/pgup/pgdown by depressing the fn key...which is OK since I use a bluetooth keyboard at work anyway. However, if I get some indication from Apple that they're going to provide full keyboard support for their notebooks under Windows XP, I'm definitely going to upgrade to Leopard.

Re:I'll take a better kbd driver for Windows XP (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15860472)

you can log in using fn-ctrl-option-delete without any remapping.

Re:I'll take a better kbd driver for Windows XP (1)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860583)

quoth the AC: "you can log in using fn-ctrl-option-delete without any remapping."

You can do that using Parallels, but not running Windows natively under Boot Camp.

I'm a mac fanboy but (4, Insightful)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860342)

I consider it a bit of a double standard to be criticizing Microsoft for "photocopying" on one hand and then unveiling a bunch of features that have been done before. Virtual desktop yes, but also the whole "time machine" which is really just a versioning system from the looks of it. VMS had that years and years ago, it's nothing new.
It just seems like they are stretching with Leopard. They promoted the hell out of tiger before the WWDC where it was first shown off, and for good reason. I personally will be sticking with Tiger till my next mac, which won't be till 2008 provided my powerbook doesn't get stolen.

Re:I'm a mac fanboy but (1)

bheer (633842) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860416)

Of course, the fact that Vista has this feature must've something to do with Apple's decision to ship it now. As usual, Apple has better branding though -- Microsoft calls it 'Previous Versions', Apple calls it 'Time Machine'.

Re:I'm a mac fanboy but (5, Funny)

amliebsch (724858) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860483)

It's not much of a time machine if it can't go into the future and retrieve the documents I haven't written yet.

Re:I'm a mac fanboy but (2, Funny)

powerlord (28156) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860573)

It's not much of a time machine if it can't go into the future and retrieve the documents I haven't written yet.


Expect that bug to be fixed in the next major upgrade 11.0 ... just as soon as they get that Einstein-Rosen-Padolsky [wikipedia.org] bridge software working properly.

Sounds like a nice GUI for versioning though (5, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860468)

I agree, Time Machine sounds like just VMS file versioning - but I wouldn't discount Apple bringing a lot of good UI on top of that. There's a lot of value into bringing versioning to people who otherwise would not be able to use it.

I was actually pretty glad to see Time Machine as the file versioning coming in Vista was the one thing I was wishing I could get in Leopord, and did not expect to see.

Re:Sounds like a nice GUI for versioning though (5, Informative)

sp67 (159134) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860550)

VMS? Try RSX-11M - that's mid '70s for you young boys and gals.
Yup, everytime you saved a file you'd get a new version; if I saved file.ext, I actually got something like file.ext;17, and accessing file.ext would get the latest version, in this case 17. You had commands to purge files or entire directories - that is, delete everything but the latest version.
And this at a time where a 40MB hard-disk was a beast the size of a washing machine. I can't believe I had to wait about 30 years to get this nice little feature back... oh wait, we just got a preview, I'll have to wait a little longer to get my hands on it.

Re:I'm a mac fanboy but (2, Insightful)

zmotula (663798) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860559)

Just a versioning system? Indeed. But Apple is the first to design a versioning system my father can use...

Re:I'm a mac fanboy but (1)

ender81b (520454) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860560)

Not to mention MS has had versioning (shadow copies) for roughly .. what.. 3 years now? And while not as "purdy" as Time Machine it's quite functional and works like a charm.

Oh well. It's brand new. With a pretty interface. Ohhhhh. And, oh gee, Vista will have something nearly indentical in it as well.

New idea? (1)

eipgam (945201) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860345)

The summary makes it sound like virtual desktops are some new and exciting idea. As the linked Wikipedia article shows, most X window managers have had this feature for at least 20 years.

While I'm impressed with what Apple is offering... (3, Interesting)

demondawn (840015) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860347)

...I am a bit surprised at the stagnancy that seems to be pervading Apple's style choices. Now that we've entered the Kubrick-esque world of white (or black!) plastic and brushed aluminum, it doesn't seem like the Apple line has anywhere to "evolve" to. The MacPro's case, for example, is simply the G5 tower case with another whole in it. The user experience seems to be a bit stagnant too; while I do believe that Tiger outshines Vista, and Leopard will as well, I've yet to see anything that says that Leopard will be a major leap for the end-user. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong...

Re:While I'm impressed with what Apple is offering (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15860456)

Steve did say there were top secret stuff. Everything shown has good use for the developers (ie, use Core Animation, use the new built-in todo list, etc.). Obviously shown for the developers to use on the developer preview at the developer conference.

I would assume that all the fun user stuff wasn't shown due to Microsoft's "photocopiers".

Re:While I'm impressed with what Apple is offering (2, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860467)

As for the case design, I think Apple is sticking with a good thing until people get comfortable with Intel being in a Mac. To many crazy changes all at once can really scare users, and stock holders. Having the new Intel Macs look a lot like the old ones will make sure the person feels like they are using a Mac, not a fancy PC running OS X. Bright White, Shiny Black and brushed metal, (Black, Gray, White) are newtral colors that go well with most colors and look good in most homes, offices, and dorms, to match our cultures more consertive nature, in the 90's the "Hippy" styles and colors were popular and so Apple made their computers to work with that culture. It is like from going from college to work. (For me since I graduated 2001 it makes most sience) In college you wore very libral clothings and in the Corprate enviroment you are more town down, you may still look good either way but you are more formal. The same with Apples. The early iMac (G3) were attened mostly for college students, iMac G4 was a transistion still fun but a little more formal, to the G5/Intel Mac (which I personally dont care for) while interesting and different is more of a formal design. The same with the iBook/Mac Books, Now Black was added because they sold some black iPods and they were popular so they added black to the list, and I am sure using a Black Mac Book seemed more Manly then using the white ones. Brushed Metal Systems (for their Pro Line) are attened to look somewhat intimadating, They are ment to look more powerful and used for real computing. If you were an IT Consultant and you used a Mac Book Pro that were coled like the Toilet Seat iBooks you wouldn't be taken as seriosly as if you had a Brushed metal, or having a server room that looks like candy store. Perhaps color Macs will be in the future but right now Dull/Clean colors are in.

Re:While I'm impressed with what Apple is offering (1)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860505)

"...s simply the G5 tower case with another whole in it."

Ouch. A spelling checker did not catch your debauchery on the english language here.

Second of all, the G5 case is a splendid design, and whilst it looks the same on the outside, the innards have been thoroughly adapted, especially with respect to airflow and memory placement.

B.

Why criticise? (5, Insightful)

also-rr (980579) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860348)

Good features *should* be copied from operating system to operating system - that way everyone gets the best of what is available! Who cares who invented it first, as long as people are implimenting the slickest ideas and improving on them where possible.

I just hope they get around to copying window shading, window tabbing and focus on mouse as fast as possible.

I agree (-1, Troll)

aardwolf64 (160070) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860377)

From the formerly live feed:
10:48 am advanced search - lots of feedback from devs
10:49 am adding recent items to spotlight
10:49 am specify file type and other dev requests will be added in leopard
10:49 am making it a great app launcher
10:49 am prepopulated with recent stuff you've been doing
10:49 am what you're looking for is often right there without doing a search

Imagine that... quick access to your applications, including recently used ones... Sounds an awful lot like a "Start Button" to me.

Re:I agree (3, Informative)

Y-Crate (540566) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860445)

Imagine that... quick access to your applications, including recently used ones... Sounds an awful lot like a "Start Button" to me.
The Apple Menu has done this since at least System 7. This simply appears to be a better implementation of what they had long before Win95 appeared.

Re:I agree (1)

Fluffy the attack ki (890645) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860566)

I think he was making a reference to the recently used programs list in WinXP.

Re:I agree (1)

blugu64 (633729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860446)

or the apple menu ;)

(think System 7 Era)

Re:I agree (3, Interesting)

Orion_ (83461) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860486)

[re: spotlight] Imagine that... quick access to your applications, including recently used ones... Sounds an awful lot like a "Start Button" to me.

Obviously you have no idea what Spotlight does. It's a search feature, and they intend to make it more convenient to search for applications. It is NOTHING like the start menu, which basically just presents you with a list of files (and thus boils down to just another take on the Mac OS 7-9 Apple menu, speaking of photocopying OS features).

I'd guess the "recent items" feature they were referring to pushes more recently used items to the top of the list when you search.

Re:Why criticise? (1)

wirelessbuzzers (552513) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860408)

I just hope they get around to copying window shading, window tabbing and focus on mouse as fast as possible.

They can't do focus follows mouse, because menubar isn't shared between applications. It would be really weird to have the menubar change as your went around the screen and refocused, but having it shadow the wrong application is also really bad.

Re:Why criticise? (1)

davidoff404 (764733) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860478)

They can't do focus follows mouse, because menubar isn't shared between applications. It would be really weird to have the menubar change as your went around the screen and refocused, but having it shadow the wrong application is also really bad.

That's not strictly true. Codetek's Virtual Desktop [codetek.com] has had focus follows mouse for quite a while and it works extremely well.

Re:Why criticise? (2, Interesting)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860444)

Window shading... Like in OS 9 (and below)? :) Personally, I shelled out the $10 for Window Shade X [unsanity.com] . I hate using a mac without it.

I'm very very pleased with finally getting virtual desktops. I've been using Desktop Manager [berlios.de] and will continue to until I get a computer with Leopard on it (probably a few more years), but it annoys me that I *need* a third-party app for that. (And window shading, for that matter.)

Re: Why criticise? (2, Interesting)

gidds (56397) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860502)

IKWYM. I don't mind too much, though, coz Desktop Manager is so good. Fast, simple, can work in several ways (pager shown on desktop, pager shown in menu bar, switch desktops with hotkeys and/or by moving to the edge), has some useful transitions. My only complaint is that it's hard to move windows between desktops.

Re:Why criticise? (1)

bunions (970377) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860454)

No one (no one who matters) is criticising good features. They're criticising the "photocopier" joke followed in rapid succession with features that are obviously lifted directly, or 'photocopied' if you will, from elsewhere.

Re:Why criticise? (2, Interesting)

timothy (36799) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860521)

Hey, my comment was snarky, but I apologize if it came off as critical -- just the opposite! In fact, one of the reasons I ditched OS X on my iBook (which, to be fair, is 6 years old and was a decent laptop with OS X or Ubuntu, until recent hard drive noises) is that I don't like the constrained feel of OS X. I always want to zip over to another desktop ... which isn't there ;)

However, when I visit the Apple corner of the local CompUSA, I am as usual impressed by the hardware; with virtual desktops, one of my main gripes about OS X is gone. (I still prefer Gnome-on-Linux to OS X for now, for both aesthetic and software-freedom reasons, but in matters of taste, there is no disputing ;)).

Cheers,

timothy

Damn... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15860354)

looks like Vista is gonna be delayed another 4 months now.

Best Quote (5, Interesting)

ericdano (113424) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860357)

"Don't want Redmond's photocopiers started too early"

Seriously. Steve is smart NOT to show off every little detail of 10.5. Look at Microsoft, they promised so much in Longhorn/Vista, then take things out.

Re:Best Quote (1)

Quantum Fizz (860218) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860390)

I like the banners they have that are poking fun at Microsoft. Such as likening Leopard to Vista 2.0 and also saying "Hasta la Vista, Vista".

Re:Best Quote (1)

ben there... (946946) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860499)

Seriously. Steve is smart NOT to show off every little detail of 10.5. Look at Microsoft, they promised so much in Longhorn/Vista, then take things out.

It's also better not to release details of your new features if you want to avoid the whole "photocopying" thing. Like how both Spotlight and Time Machine were/are (respectively) features known to be planned for Vista before they were released in OS X. Apple is much quicker to release, but MS surely aren't the only ones "photocopying".

Re:Best Quote (1)

hawks5999 (588198) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860530)

True. True. My inital response to the Keynote is pretty "meh." But what Steve showed here are really the things he doesn't care so much about Microsoft ripping off in the next couple months to try to cram into Vista. I bet there will be a whole slew of new Leopard features at MacWorld Expo 2007 after Vista has gone out to the OEMs...

Did I read correctly? (3, Interesting)

gbulmash (688770) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860360)

The $2499 mid-range will sport TWO Xeon 5150s, and the high end will sport dual 5160s?

I was hoping he's say the high-end will not be available until October (since I'm planning my Mac as a late-Oct birthday present to myself) and will sport a double-dose of the quad-core chips Intel is releasing in Q4.

But hey, dual 5150s for $2500? I think I might just buy that baby and an extra flat panel instead.

disappointed -- rumor sites are their worst enemy (0, Redundant)

boxlight (928484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860365)

Come on -- what's the TOP SECRET stuff? Where's built-in virtualization, or Apple's own implementation of Win32? Or the Tivo-like Front Row features?

And Leopard isn't available until Spring 2007?? Sigh.

I love my Mac, but after all the HYPE surrounding this WWDC -- this is a big disappointment. Maybe I should just avoid the Apple rumors sites from now on?

boxlight

Re:disappointed -- rumor sites are their worst ene (2, Insightful)

timster (32400) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860435)

Maybe I should just avoid the Apple rumors sites from now on?

+1, Insightful

This is a developer's conference, not E3.

Re:disappointed -- rumor sites are their worst ene (1)

Goaway (82658) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860578)

It was a yawn-fest for developers too, you know. Apple would have been better served by just keeping their mouth shut until they could actually talk about their "super-secret" features. This was just a total letdown.

Re:disappointed -- rumor sites are their worst ene (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15860488)

how long have you been watching macrumors? 10 days, 10 weeks or 10 years?

Underwhelming.. (0, Flamebait)

Coolnat2004 (830862) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860366)

The anticipation leading up to WWDC left a lot to be desired.. I was expecting some great new products, but there was nothing out of the ordinary. Lame.

Re:Underwhelming.. (4, Insightful)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860421)

I concur. The versioning FS is nice, but it's really just a pretty UI on something that VMS had a couple of decades ago. Spotlight over the network? The pre-Tiger technical docs I read about Spotlight said that it was a Tiger feature; the fact that I didn't even notice that they'd pulled it shows how useful it is.

Core Animation? Maybe nice, I'd have to see. It sounds like they're really going after Adobe with that one though; I hope it doesn't backfire...

Mail stationary? I hated that 'feature' in Outlook Express a decade ago, and I can't imagine not hating it today.

The most disappointing thing was the lack of Core 2 MacBooks. I was planning on ordering one this evening. The Mac Pros look nice, but I can't imagine buying a desktop in 2006.

Re:Underwhelming.. (2, Insightful)

wirelessbuzzers (552513) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860571)

I don't think TimeMachine is a versioning FS. I think it's just a pretty GUI over incremental backups.

I think if they want to do a versioning FS they'll go to ZFS.

Mac store is down (-1, Troll)

nixmega (972206) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860367)

Ironically the mac store is also down ATM ... any chane my dreams could come true?? I doubt it lol. But I really, really, really LOVE THIS ANNOUNCEMENT YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Mac Store is almost always down during a Stevenote (1)

Wudbaer (48473) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860424)

Nothing ironic here.

Re:Mac store is down (1)

bunions (970377) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860464)

Wow, what are the odds of the Apple store being down during the keynote at a major Apple event?

Someone's gonna lose their jobs over this one, lol!!

Re:Mac store is down (1)

terrymr (316118) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860508)

Why is it ironic ? They shut the store down until the product announcements are made. It's normal.

Minor Quibble... (5, Informative)

e4g4 (533831) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860372)

The case will be the same as the PowerMac

The outside of the case is almost the same as the G5 case...the inside is completely different, and has a pretty sweet setup for the drive bays, not to mention the 8 ram slots and room for a full length graphics card.

This sucks (-1, Troll)

dusanv (256645) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860374)

They have nothing in the lineup between the piece of furniture (that happens to be PC as well) called iMac and the $2500 quad-core Woodcrest. It seems you have to have a PCI slot you have to pay through the teeth. To add insult to injury, they toss in the junky NVidia 7300 (all for measly $2500). They are just missing a huge segment of the market and that's why they're stuck at 4% for ever now. This is just stupid.

Re:This sucks (1)

acidream (785987) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860425)

They seem to always skimp on the video cards in their high end computers. I would have expected at least a quadro card for them to compete in the workstation segment.

Re:This sucks (1)

e4g4 (533831) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860462)

The sweet cards are in the BTO - but they're damn hard on the bottom line...

Remember that the WWDC is for developers (2, Interesting)

linguae (763922) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860487)

If you downgrade the Mac Pro to the 2.0GHz configuration (two 2.0GHz dual-core Xeons), you save $300. If you downgrade the 250GB hard drive to 160GB, you save another $50, bringing the cost to $2,149. Still a little more expensive than the base $1,999 Power Mac G5, but the base Power Mac G5 didn't have two dual-core processors (just one dual-core G5). Quite a great deal.

Yes, I would have loved for Apple to release a cheaper tower computer. However, Apple doesn't do product announcements like that during the WWDC. The WWDC is about releasing products intended for professional Mac developers; the operating system and the flagship developer machines. Professional developers such as MS, Apple, Adobe, and the rest of them need the most powerful Mac they can get with their money; the Mac Pro fulfills their dreams. Apple releases other products either during some other conference (such as the Paris event every September and MacWorld), or just out of the blue on a Tuesday morning.

For all of you dreaming about MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo machines, Apple tablets, $1000 Core Duo mini-towers, $700 Core Solo MacBooks, and other announcements, there is still plenty of time for Apple to release those products. Apple doesn't announce nor release those types of products during the WWDC.

alas (1)

toQDuj (806112) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860384)

... No iPhone or new iPod. Guess we'll have to wait for the next speech.
On the plus side, though, I hope the text-to-speech engine is now that good that you can understand that what is being said without reading it a the same time...

B.

Good but underwhelming... (1)

Churla (936633) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860391)

I was expecting more. Don't know how else to say it.

And I agree that if you're adding a feature that X windows has had for over a decade you shouldn't be throwing the "start your photocopier" stone at MS.

Re:Good but underwhelming... (1)

squiggleslash (241428) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860532)

Have to agree. Virtual Desktops wasn't even the only "borrowed feature." Half of the stuff being added to Mail was in Microsoft Exchange/Outlook in the mid-nineties. Wow, so I can put notes to myself in my mail huh? Oh! Oh! And it's integrated with the calendar huh? And then there's "Time Machine", weren't we just complaining the other day about one or two of the implementation details in Vista's "version", which itself is an evolution of technologies that go back to W2K?

Not Apple's most impressive performance.

And what's the deal with the Mac Pro? The holes in Apple's desktop line seen to be getting bigger, not smaller. One has to hope there's an unreleased product that'll sit between the iMac/Mac minis and the Mac Pros.

No updated MacBook Pros (1)

CrimsonScythe (876496) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860393)

I'm kinda disappointed that an updated line of MacBook Pros wasn't announced. (With the new 64-bit Core 2 Duo CPU, I mean.) I'm waiting for that one before considering upgrading my 1.5GHz Powerbook. To be fair, the Powerbook should probably last another year without any big problems. Even though it's not exactly the best computer for running Matlab on...

Re:No updated MacBook Pros (1)

calambrac (722059) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860477)

A MacBook Pro isn't exactly the best computer to run Matlab on, either, considering that Matlab isn't available for the intel macs yet...

Re:No updated MacBook Pros (1)

crow (16139) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860567)

Intel has announced the Core 2 Duo chips for laptops, but they aren't shipping yet. I expect Apple is waiting to announce laptops that use them until they can actually ship them, allowing them to continue to sell laptops that they can ship now until that happens. And it wouldn't surprise me if they'll update the iMac and Mac Mini at about that same time (possibly also using the laptop version of the Core 2, depending on the heat issues).

Apple pages (4, Informative)

godawful (84526) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860398)

apples page on leopard is up here [apple.com]

and the mac pros are here [apple.com]

i noticed nothing was said about the finder.. shame.

Re:Apple pages (1)

nudeatom (740966) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860476)

From the responses Im getting, Not for long.

What? No SLI configurations available? (1, Insightful)

illumin8 (148082) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860401)

First of all I have to say that the specs on the new Mac Pros are great, but as I've been looking at replacing my gaming machine with a Mac Pro, I'm a little disappointed by the lack of SLI graphics support... How come Apple doesn't have an SLI or Crossfire option? This is 2006 and users want the capability of running two graphics cards, if for no other reason than the ability to dual-boot into Windows and play some games every now and then.

Too bad; I was hoping to replace my gaming machine and my Mac with a single machine that would be the best of both worlds... Looks like I'll have to wait for rev. B and hope that Apple wakes up and includes this technology.

Re:What? No SLI configurations available? (3, Informative)

cyfer2000 (548592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860580)

  • 2 x NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB [Add $150]
  • 3 x NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB [Add $300]
  • ATI Radeon X1900 XT 512MB (2 x dual-link DVI) [Add $350]
  • 4 x NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 256MB [Add $450]
  • NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 512MB, Stereo 3D (2 x dual-link DVI) [Add $1650]
http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/A ppleStore?family=MacPro [apple.com]

Re:What? No SLI configurations available? (1)

doh123 (951318) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860582)

not yet. The OS doesnt support it, but the ahrdware should. They actually ahve 4 x16 PCIe slots in the machine and even let you run 2 of the bigger cards, or 4 of the smaller (7300s) cards all at the same time. As of yet you cannot use crossfire or SLI, they run as seprate cards for many monitors.

Official Mac Pro page (0, Redundant)

rchatterjee (211000) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860415)

All the geek pr0n about the Mac Pro you need right here:

http://www.apple.com/macpro/ [apple.com]

Who fired Apple's industrial design team? (3, Insightful)

THotze (5028) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860426)

so it looks like Apple's Mac Pro and the new XServe are relatively powerful, etc., etc., but....

who fired their design team? I mean, Apple hasn't released a new form factor since the Mac mini... two years ago now, nearly? And I understand that there are technical challenges with making the transition to Intel, and that the Mac Pro is all new on the inside even if its little different on the outside.... but... Apple's products used to be items to be lusted over because of their looks alone.

The only new look from the Intel transition is the MacBook (not Pro) and... its almost uninspiring. Its like they took an iBook and flattened it a little... and while it is a pretty sexy form factor, its not like the days of yore when the PowerBooks were new and beautiful (and now you can get the SAME enclosure, almost unaltered, in a MacBook Pro, 3 years later), the iMac went from cute to beautiful, etc.

And I don't buy that Apple's worried about scaring away people with new form factors with the Intel transition - I mean, would anybody REALLY be that surprised by a new physical enclosure? I mean, really?

Sure, there are issues to be sorted out - MacBooks yellowing, MBPs burning at corona-like temperatures... but I feel like these are start up issues that would be the same whether Apple played it safe with new form factors or not.

So it looks like OS X is less about the new shiny than before, and their hardware's less about the shiny than before. Before, OS X and Apple's hardware were both technically advanced AND beautiful - why is Apple just saying "job's done, lets move on" with the beauty aspect?

Tim

Re:Who fired Apple's industrial design team? (4, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860474)

So from your comment it sounds like the only good industrial design (as far as you're concerned) is new industrial design. I personally feel that the designs of almost all of their machines are quite nice and I don't care that they haven't changed in a while. When you find something that works, stick with it...

Innards (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860490)

Probbaly they've been all busy refitting the insides of various computers - laptops and desktops alike. Now that the transition is over I iamgine we'll start to see more external alterations again.

The ability to put four hard drives and two optical drives in the desktop is welcome news indeed.

Re:Innards (1)

e4g4 (533831) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860552)

I think you're absolutely right, the insides of all the new machines, imac, mini, macbook, etc - are all completely different from their PowerPC brethren, and, in most cases, they're quite beautiful inside. I've no doubt that they'll be redesigning the outside, eventually..., but they've done a great job on the insides.

Re:Who fired Apple's industrial design team? (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860565)

Who fired their design team? I mean, Apple hasn't released a new form factor since the Mac mini... two years ago now, nearly?

You can't build brand recognition (from design) if you keep changing it every year...

Re:Who fired Apple's industrial design team? (1)

SilentChris (452960) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860576)

Keeping the same (or very similar) designs is purely intentional. They're basically saying to the world "We can put G5s in here, Intel chips in here, etc. It's still the same Mac." It also tries to deflate the consensus that PCs run hotter, by putting them in the exact same physical space.

I think it was actually very smart of Apple's design team to intentionally draw comparisons.

30" Cinema Display price reduction (5, Informative)

cheezycrust (138235) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860428)

The 30 inch Cinema Display has it's price reduced from $2499 to $1999. I don't think this was said on the keynote, but you can see it on the website.

Re:30" Cinema Display price reduction (1)

mrchaotica (681592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860515)

That's great, but what they really need is a 20" Cinema Display price reduction. I know it's Apple and all, but the current $699 or whatever is entirely unreasonable given that equivalent stuff (e.g. same resolution, etc.) is available from the likes of Viewsonic and Dell for about $300.

Cinema Displays (0, Redundant)

onthefenceman (640213) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860447)

Also looks like the prices on Cinema Displays have been dropped a couple hundred bucks.

Windows Bashing a bit much....some disappointed (1)

Chanc_Gorkon (94133) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860459)

Well, all in all I think it is what I expected. New MacPros, preview of Leopard with it being released this Spring (same pattern as Tiger). Now on my short list of new purchases to be made soon is a new Mac Mini. I don't need the firebreather (but BOY do I want one!).

Some Mac fan boi's are going to be disappointed they are going to say....What no iPhone? No new iPod's?? These are guys who SHOULDN'T pay attention to the WWDC. The D in WWDC means developers. IE, this isn't where consumer stuff will be introed and a iPOd is just that. With that said, loosing the good/better/best thing is the best thing I think they announced. Make one config and reduce the costs of add ins.....well they did not do that but anyway....

Looking forward to any new announcements coming in the next month or so....

Time Machine == ZFS ? (2, Interesting)

commonchaos (309500) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860460)

Does anybody know if Apple made their own technology to do backups, or did they actually implement ZFS? (there were rumors that they were going to put ZFS in 10.5)

Re:Time Machine == ZFS ? (1)

Vorx (876) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860482)

I'd wager it's homegrown -- they can hook into the API that notifies of file changes (See Amit Singh's blog for info) and just stuff the versions off in the background somewhere -- Throw a little database on top of it to log versions (CoreData) and there you have it. Make a pretty UI with CoreAnimation and ship it...

What does this mean for current machines? (2, Insightful)

gabebear (251933) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860461)

The presentation made it clear that 32bit apps would run on 64bit machines, although I hope they make it easy to support both 32bit and 64 bit machines easily. I just ordered a MacBook and I'm a little worried about how quickly the current line will become legacy machines since it is pretty certain that Apple won't be shipping 32bit Intel machines in a year and has only been shipping 32bit Intel machines for a little while.

all well... no since in worrying too much about something that might not be an issue and that you have no control over.

Re:What does this mean for current machines? (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860579)

I doubt you'll see a Xeon in a Apple laptop anytime soon.

Ooooo I want one! I want one! (4, Funny)

Stormwatch (703920) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860506)

I want-- oh, wait.

*checks wallet*

Uh, I want a Mac mini. With fries and a chocolate milkshake, please.

Apple'r making the machines SGI should have been.. (2, Funny)

torpor (458) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860510)

.. making, 2 years ago.

ATI? (0)

escay (923320) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860522)

hmm...so it looks like the Mac Pro still runs on ATI's cards, but Intel's processors...I wonder why Apple isn't moving to nvidia for its graphics cards, esply after AMD's purchase...also, no Crossfire option for the Mac Pro?

Re:ATI? (2, Interesting)

Beefslaya (832030) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860555)

You have the option for either...
Matter of fact, the NVIDIA 7300GT is standard, and you can have upto 4 of them.
All bets are off with this one.

"Millions of Configurations" (2, Interesting)

Hootenanny (966459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860537)

I was at first skeptical when Apple said there are "millions of configurations" for the new Mac Pros. So I tested it out...

Based on the options from the Apple Store configuration page, the total combinations possible is given by 3 * 6 * 3 * 2 * 2 * 2 * 6 * 4 * 4 * 2 * 4 * 2 * 2 * 4 * 2 * 3 * 5 * 2

Re:"Millions of Configurations" (1)

Hootenanny (966459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860558)

The parent comment had the HTML truncated for some reason... But According to Matlab, the above expression tallies up to a very large number. Now I'm satisfied.

Where is the Finder Replacement? (1)

torpor (458) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860541)

All this is fine and good, but we're still putting up with the !#@$# Finder on OSX ..

Time Machine (1)

winkydink (650484) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860551)

I'm betting they bought the IPR for this from Quantum, who bought it from a failed startup I was working with in 2001/2002. It's a great concept. I can't for the life of me figure out why Quantum wasn't able to bring it to market.

world wide DEVELOPER conference (5, Insightful)

k2r (255754) | more than 8 years ago | (#15860568)

and nobody's talking about

"xcode 3.0 released today" ...

k2r
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