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Gen Con To Take the Place of E3?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the oh-my-precious-brain dept.


Venues like PAX, Tokyo Game Show, and GDC are taking stock in the wake of E3's 'demise', and coming to terms with what this will mean next year. Gamasutra reports that another trade show is stepping up the the plate: Gen Con. From the article: "In order to better accommodate the video game business into its existing shows, Gen Con organizers plan to expand its venue space at the Indianapolis show in 2007. An additional 43,000 square feet will be added to the exhibit hall with additional space expanding into area hotels as well to accommodate the thousands of games taking place over the four-day event. In addition, Gen Con So Cal, the companies' show traditionally held in Anaheim, will be moved to the Los Angeles Convention Center, the former site of the annual E3 trade show, for an unspecified 2007 date, and will attempt to attract further video game companies to exhibit alongside the traditional paper-gaming and CCG Gen Con stalwarts. 'When the news came out about the drastic changes at E3, we began to hear from some industry players about Gen Con increasing its capabilities to better accommodate the industry,' said Peter Adkison, CEO of Gen Con, LLC." This is truly surreal.

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Can't see that happening. (4, Insightful)

ShadowBlasko (597519) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871382)

I just don't think GenCon has the infrastructure... But it would be cool to see.

Gas prices being what they are, and budgets being crunched, I think you will see a lot of shows combining in the near future.

Re:Can't see that happening. (1)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873204)

The problem I see is that GenCon has always been geared towards publishers AND consumers. E3 was always suposed to be for publishers, and become more and more bloated as more and more consumers attended.

I do find it interesting though that there is enough market demand to make someone/anyone host a new E3.


E3 Remains The Same - Just Minus The Fanboys (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15871388)

The real purpose of E3 remains - a venue for publisher, developers, and distributors to meet and setup meetings for deals.

The only thing that has changed is all the effort that was being wasted on providing crap for thousands of fanboys who managed to land themselves tickets.

Kock yourself out Gen Con, no one but EB employees and fanboys cares what you do. The real work/action will still be in LA at E3.

Re:E3 Remains The Same - Just Minus The Fanboys (3, Insightful)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871456)

But it also means minus the hype..the buzz..the sitting around watching video game news for a week. For as much of a pain in the ass the fanboys might be if it werent for them no one would give a flip about E3. The only thing that scaling back E3 is going to accomplish in the long run is ensure that small developers have a harder time getting their games published and bigger companies can freely continue to shovel out crap. E3 has always been about hype and press, yes deals occasionally got made but even most of those were the results of the buzz.

counter productive? (1)

aztektum (170569) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871406)

when the news about E3's changes first broke, everyone went on about how big, expensive and ultimately how little benefit the event offered. this sounds like the first steps to building up another such event. i guess whatever works for some.

Re:counter productive? (1)

PhotoBoy (684898) | more than 7 years ago | (#15877905)

Yep, if the big publishers killed E3 because they didn't want to pay for it, I can't see why they would want to make Gen Con the new E3.

booth babes (2, Interesting)

Edward Kmett (123105) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871450)

Gen Con gets booth babes?

Re:booth babes (1)

Captain Chaos (13688) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871553)

There have already been booth babes there, at least in the past. I haven't attended since it moved to Indy so I can't speak for the past couple years. Some were at the video and computer game booths, but there were some at other booths also. E3 did seem to have much better ones though.

Re:booth babes (3, Funny)

Macgrrl (762836) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871648)

Please, god, NOOOO!!!!!!!

It could only result in a mass wave of strokes and heart attacks as table top gamers encounter women who aren't Furries, WW groupies, game geeks or immediate family members. They won't know how to cope.

Re:booth babes (2, Funny)

srmalloy (263556) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871681)

...on both sides, as the console-gaming boothies get their first real exposure to 'pong' -- and not the electronic one...

Re:booth babes (1)

F_Scentura (250214) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873041)

What proper booth babe hasn't played beer pong at some point in her life? Come now.

Re:booth babes (1)

srmalloy (263556) | more than 7 years ago | (#15875438)

*sigh* 'Pong' is a British slang term for a bad smell or stench, or the act of stinking -- referring to the GenCon attendees, sometimes known as (in a more literal sense than the apellation is usually meant) 'The Great Unwashed'.

Re:booth babes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15876737)

It was more a joke than a rebuttal.

Re:booth babes (1)

ranton (36917) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873283)

There are already booth babes at GenCon. And I do not mean the women walking around in skimpy chain mail shirts who have no business revealing that much skin.

I remember last year there being some card game that reminded me of Leisure Suit Larry is CCG form, and they had about 3-5 (hard to tell because they were spread out) very attractive women in revealing clothing walking around the main exhibition hall handing out flyers/samples. And they werent the only ones.

But as a whole they are very sparse at the current GenCon, and I wouldnt mind them becoming more abundant. Everything in life becomes better when you throw in attractive women. Maybe it will even get more people at GenCon to shower.

I for one am going to have a good solid three and a half days away from my girlfriend this year, so this will be a welcomed change where I dont have to worry about getting slapped for looking :-)

Timing isn't everything, but it's a whole lot. (1)

y5 (993724) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871454)

for an unspecified 2007 date

It would be really strange if the new big show (dare I say "e3 killer"?) was at a time other than the traditional spring. For instance, if it was during the end of summer/early fall, imagine how long the advertising ramp-up for Christmas would be.

Geez. And you thought Christmas started too early already...

Revenge of the Booth Babes (-1, Flamebait)

Bushido Hacks (788211) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871462)

I don't know why everyone was dissing the Booth Babes at E3. So what if some of them were scantally clad at times. That was probably the closes thing that most people would get to being near a half-naked woman.

At any rate, I miss the ladies. That was the whole point of E3. It was like the video game convention version of Hooters.

If there is no place to release the natual emotions of male chauvinism, then eventually it bottles up.

I'm tired of these born-again-Christain-type people ruining my fun or obstructing me from having a good time in an environment where I can still be a nerd but at the same time be swooned by hot women wearing next to nothing. You know what pisses me off? The Chirstian mens group at my university had a Halo 2 Tournament last year, yet I can't access my webserver using SSH or chat using IRC. Christains and their guns. Booo! What ever happened to Christains and their hot women? Most other faiths would punish a woman for being such good looking.

Now, because the Booth Babes have been told to go away because my mind could "be corrupted by sin and sexual thoughts" by some Bible-thumping "family advocates" who care about everyone elses family but their own (I'm talking to you, Senator Hillary Clinton), men are denied from being men and women are prohibited from being women.

Call it sexism, but it is true.

A man can not be a gentlemen unless he has expressed chavanism and a woman can not be a ladies unless she has expressed her feminine wyles.

Restore the natural order of reality. Bring back the booth babes and save E3!

Re:Revenge of the Booth Babes (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15871561)

Whose OS would you use: Several American accounting college dropouts' or a Finnish computer science college graduate's?

Stop acting like Linus created anything. He STOLE the OS and put his own name to it. The men who actually CREATED the OS were veteran programmers before Linus was a thought in someone's head. And what fucking difference does it make where they were born? Do you deserve a label on your life because of your birthplace? Maybe we should do that for your race and sex too... you got a major stick up your ass.

Will you Linux fags get over this FACT?

As for booth "babes"? Man, you go an internet connection, if you're that desperate for titties there's a million sites. Now, go back to beating off to the pictures of women wearing bras in the K-Mart circular.

Re:Revenge of the Booth Babes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15871583)

Nice troll!

Re:Revenge of the Booth Babes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15871631)

Dude, you have clearly never been to Gen Con. Even aside from the armorers' chick's in chainmail bikinis, there's enough people who go that there are scads of good looking geek gamer girls dressing up... er down, depending on how you look at it.

Re:Revenge of the Booth Babes (1)

Marion517 (993916) | more than 7 years ago | (#15872543)

So far, (and it's early), you've already been ousted as a chauvinist. I find this sad, because as a straight female, I heartily agree. Go Booth Babes.

I'm all for this. Now, I may be wrong, but to get into E3, don't you need a press-pass? And now that they are scaling it back and giving it a more developer-focused feel, say, like Apple's World Devleopers Conference or something, that's less commercial- three month unplayable demos to tantilize the consumer.

Which is a shame. There needs to be an outpouring of consumerism for this industry, at the very least to get National media attention on videogames (other than the occaisonal blame for school shootings). On the more generous side, these widespread events gives up something to talk about. And in America, nothing says mainstream consumerism like scantly-clad women hawking wares.

Go Booth Babes, go consumerism, go Gen con.

Re:Revenge of the Booth Babes (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15879250)

Anybody who wanted to get in to E3 could score a pass. Getting fake credentials was as easy as using a business card design template for MS Word. Do a fake card layout, print, tape to the E3 application form, fax to E3. Done.

Maybe the new E3 will actually make some effort to check those credentials, but I guarantee fakers will still get in, and some vendor/game company will still employ booth babes.

Personally, I am all for Gencon or Comicon or someone else stepping in to do the "video game show for the public" complete with booth babes and the whole nine yards. BUT I can't see the game companies getting in on it. They went to E3 with the illusion that it would make them industry money, not appeal to the public. They don't want to deal directly with the public and have no reason to move their thing to Gencon or wherever. Nothing in it for them.

The public woundn't appreciate it either. E3 had become a contest of biggest, flashiest, loudest and most jiggly, with the winner of those categories declared the winner of the whole show. Along the way, people forgot that there wasn't supposed to be A single winner, that it was about providing entertainment of all sorts to all sorts of buyers. If the public gets in, they're going straight back to that biggest, loudest, showiest thing and lots of good games will get kicked to the side. The industry put up with that from E3. They will not put up with it from the general public.

Like anything I say matters.

I do say, bring on the babes! Life's more interesting with good things to look at and boost morale. Every workplace should have cheerleaders and/or cute mascots of both genders.

Re:Revenge of the Booth Babes (1)

Mr. Ghost (674666) | more than 7 years ago | (#15872647)

Bible-thumping "family advocates" who care about everyone elses family but their own (I'm talking to you, Senator Hillary Clinton),...

Dude, Hillary is anything but a Bible-thumping "family advocate".

The decision remove booth babes had everything to do with sexual objectification of women and nothing to do with sin and fun.

Steve Jobs cancer has come back. (-1, Offtopic)

Jerk City Troll (661616) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871463)

According to Switch To A Mac [switchtoamac.com], a community weblog about Apple and its products, Steve Jobs may be ill [switchtoamac.com] and possibly facing cancer [thinksecret.com] again.
This is an off topic post that is out of the scope of this site but I decided to publish it anyway. Steve Jobs might be ill. He looked somewhat weak. Could the cancer be back? Recall that he was diagnosed and treated for a "very rare" type of pancreatic cancer. Steve conducted the keynote by leveraging comments and demonstrations by three other Apple executives. Steve would present, call on an executive, then reappear. This happened several times. Steve had neither the stamina nor the passion he's put forth in past keynotes. You'll see that Jobs looks much thinner than he did eight months ago at Macworld.
This is very troubling news. I also thought Steve looked unwell during the keynote and it really surprised me that he handed nearly the entire presentation to subordinates. Hopefully all is well with him and he will rebound just like he did before.

Forget Los Angeles... (2, Interesting)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871470)

They should move it to Las Vegas [adultenter...ntexpo.com]. Isn't that much different from E3, except some of the games are very different.

Make it a theme park...kindof (2, Interesting)

Drago Kith Somtaw (983110) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871512)

What the video/computer game industry needs is something like comic con that is geared toward the gamers and fans and everyone else who was going to E3 but wasn't actually there for the original reasons of the Electronic Entertainment Expo, which was more for companies and journalists than the fan base that was growing up around it.

How cool would it be if the companies could all get together and set up something like a mega-arcade that operated on a semi-permanent nature where new games and companies could use it for publicity, etc...

Re:Make it a theme park...kindof (1)

Nataku564 (668188) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871683)

Precisely what GenCon is - its all about the geeks. Now if it would only move back to Milwaukee, where it belongs ...

Re:Make it a theme park...kindof (2, Interesting)

Snowgen (586732) | more than 7 years ago | (#15872516)

Precisely what GenCon is - its all about the geeks. Now if it would only move back to Milwaukee, where it belongs ...

Let's be a true purist and move it all the way back to Lake Geneva, where it really belongs! Afterall, it's not called "MilCon".

Re:Make it a theme park...kindof (1)

Nataku564 (668188) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873794)

Well, yeah, but some concessions need to be made due to its size. Heck, anywhere in wisconsin would be fine with me.

Re:Make it a theme park...kindof (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873533)

Woot! Amen Brother! Go Go Gadget Copter!!! WASH-HOUSE! CLASS OF '01 *crying into my coffee*

Won't somebody think of the D&D children? (2, Insightful)

FrnkMit (302934) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871588)

I worry more about the already laboring tabletop RPG and CCG markets. How long before they get pushed to the edges of the floor, or segregated into their own smaller room? Two years? One year? Five seconds?

ComiCon (in San Diego, Chicago, and everywhere else) have absorbed the media presence, so the original supporters of GenCon might be all right ... but World of Warcraft is even better crack than Magic: The Gathering.

Re:Won't somebody think of the D&D children? (1)

Bieeanda (961632) | more than 7 years ago | (#15871665)

If it goes on for more than one year, I'd say three years, five at the outside before traditional games start to feel the squeeze.

The first year would be an utter clusterfuck. Confused patrons, clashing needs of exhibitors on both sides, and a con staff probably ill equipped to deal with the corporate culture clashes.

Second year, things are better. Gen-Con's staff and coordinators have wetted their metaphoric blades (and probably hired a few more consultants), so they know what to expect.

Third year, more of the video game industry and its hangers-on have applied for booth space. Many are limbs of massive multi-media corporations, with budgets that traditional games developers only wish they could approach. If this year's Comic-Con is any indication, the chatter of big money starts to drown the smaller outfits out.

I think the biggest concern in the short run would be Gen-Con's relative openness compared to E3 and other video game industry conventions, which are ostensibly supposed to be difficult for the great unwashed to get into.

Re:Won't somebody think of the D&D children? (1)

Mr. Ghost (674666) | more than 7 years ago | (#15872731)

One of the side-effects of the traditional games and gamers being squeezed out of GenCon would be an increase in the size and importance of Origins [originsgames.com] which is already more of a gamers convention than GenCon has become.

Re:Won't somebody think of the D&D children? (1)

aonaran (15651) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873051)

I think the biggest concern in the short run would be Gen-Con's relative openness compared to E3 and other video game industry conventions, which are ostensibly supposed to be difficult for the great unwashed to get into.

Were you trying to set someone up for a joke?
Come on, you had to have seen the jokes about the unwashed at game conventions looming on the horizon when you wrote that.

Re:Won't somebody think of the D&D children? (1)

Snowgen (586732) | more than 7 years ago | (#15872631)

I worry more about the already laboring tabletop RPG and CCG markets. How long before they get pushed to the edges of the floor, or segregated into their own smaller room? Two years? One year? Five seconds?

Wouldn't there be a certain irony to that? Isn't that what the RPG industry did to the poor war games inductry back in the 1970's?

Big mistake (3, Insightful)

JFMulder (59706) | more than 7 years ago | (#15872347)

Why would anyone want to become the next E3? The ESA said it themselves, the members themselves decided unanimously that E3 was too big and cost too much. Those are the same people who are going to look at Gen Con and say : "You know guys, there's a reason why E3 is dead. We won't take part in your E3-wanna be project. It just costs too much."

Mod parent up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15872507)

Exactly! It's not that ESA dropped the ball and said that they didn't want to host E3, it's that the companies said they didn't want to play that game anymore. You can't have E3 without the companies.

LOL (1)

argStyopa (232550) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873023)

Take one under-airconditioned gaming convention stuffed full of prepubescent boys (and immature men) for whom Xena (or Gabriella, or Callisto, depending on your particular fetish) is their idyllic archetype of femininity.
Add one electronic gaming convention, famous for its babealicious flesh-pottery and heedlessness of social convention in order to market its products.

It's going to be like ... nerd-vana.

At least you've got decent odds that you'd have a Gen Con where the attendees *maybe* took a shower, if only because it's the closest they've come to a nearly naked breast and DEFINITELY the closest they'll EVER come to booth-babe-caliber hotties.

Then again, recalling the stench of some of the anticipatory crowds at the E3's I attended...maybe not.

Re:LOL (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873623)

That's a really rude comment to make. You insult many responsible (and well-groomed, BTW) gamers by claiming that they might consider Xena or Gabrielle to be hotter than Callisto.

Gen Con's organizers need to grow brains (1)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873080)

So let me get this straight... E3 is getting slashed down to almost nothing because the game companies were sick of spending lots of time and money getting ready to preview products at a massive convention, or at least that's what I took out of the news stories circulating last week. So now the Gen Con organizers want to relocate the show to the LA convention center and try selling the extra space to video companies that have already made it clear they don't want to do conventions? Someone over at Gen Con isn't thinking this one through...

Re:Gen Con's organizers need to grow brains (1)

BarneyRabble (866644) | more than 7 years ago | (#15874604)

Unfortunately brains left the body several years ago when Hasbro bought out WoC and TSR. Common sense dictates that booth babes look better than your average gamer who sits with his friends on a Saturday afternoon and actually use their imagination to tell stories and interact with each other. Where's the real imagination? That they get to see a huge set of knockers stuffed into a bikini? Hell, I saw that enough at the earlier GenCons when it was still in Milwaukee. The sprirt of what was Gen Con is dead. Its been parceled out to idiots. GenCon RIP.

GenCon will enevitably pick up the slack... (1)

Vesuvias (584893) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873241)

GenCon already embodies the spirit of what E3 had become basically: a huge con were geeks get togeather to play. GenCon has been growing every year. As a gamer the top to conventions that I wanted to attend every year were GenCon and E3 (in that order). I suspect I am not alone.

Companies can claim that its too expensive all they want. However they will not avoid the oppourtunity to reach 25K+ of thier most passionate customers all in one place. There booths may not be as big or flashy, but they will be there. It makes too much marketing sense not to be. Here is quite possibly the most fertile ground they can find for growing thier most faithful fanboys.

GenCon is already built, the fans have already come to play. It's the biggest 5 day gaming party of the year, why would they NOT want to be smack dab in the middle of it?



db10 (740174) | more than 7 years ago | (#15878061)

ok guys i'm gonna roll a twenty sider to see if I score with the booth babe... 20!!! WTF OMG CRIT PENETRATIONNN!!!
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