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40 Percent of World of Warcraft Players Addicted

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the thats-probably-a--bit-generous dept.

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Heartless Gamer writes "MMORPGs and game addiction. If you're suffering from dry eyes, headaches, back aches, erratic sleep patterns, it may be more than just your average hangover: according to Dr. Maressa Orzack, you could be suffering from video and computer game addiction. A clinical psychologist, Orzack is founder and coordinator of Computer Addiction Services at McLean Hospital in Newton, Mass., and is also an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School. Computer Addiction Services is one of the few outpatient clinics in the U.S. that provides specific treatment for game addiction." but I'm feelings much better now.

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525 comments

Headline imcomplete. (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873592)

40 Percent of World of Warcraft Players Addicted

Should read:

40 Percent of World of Warcraft Players Addicted...to masturbation

OK, ok, sorry!

Re:Headline imcomplete. (0)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873690)

You're right.

I'm sorey for all that masturbation stuff ;)

Re:Headline incomplete. (4, Funny)

Aeonite (263338) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873767)

They have to be -- anyone who raids as much as they do has to be turning down sex [cafepress.com] .

AHH!!! (1)

Ruff_ilb (769396) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873778)

Critical hit!

You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873798)

Considering this video [google.com] . I completely agree with you...

Re:Headline imcomplete. (1)

Chowser (888973) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873955)

If you saw those night elf ladies you would be too!

I'm not addicted, I can quit anytime I want (2, Funny)

BlackCobra43 (596714) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873594)

now excuse me while I go on my first of 5 weekly, 3hr long raids

Re:I'm not addicted, I can quit anytime I want (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873630)

Yeah its hard to argue against me being addicted when I setup my work hours to accomidate raiding 5 nights a week.

Re:I'm not addicted, I can quit anytime I want (2, Informative)

Austerity Empowers (669817) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873752)

Worse, if you really only want to raid 2 nights a week, it's very, very hard to find a guild and keep it together. You either get people who will leave you for the 5 night/week guild, or people who are so casual that they either don't play correctly or show up very inconsistently.

Re:I'm not addicted, I can quit anytime I want (2, Interesting)

mrxak (727974) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873901)

I was in a fairly casual guild that only raided two nights a week (weekends). I would have preferred to raid more often, but it just couldn't be scheduled in a way to get enough people. I remember many a raid in MC where we started clearing with just 30 people, hoping we'd get 10 more to log on before we got to the first boss. Heck, we'd be lucky if we could get 8 people to show up on ZG night, when that started. Anyway, the guild fell apart after only 19 people showed up to an Onyxia raid. The casual people pretty much doomed it. I couldn't find another raiding guild (it was a PvP server and people didn't seem to care much on my faction) and so I quit the game.

While all of my game-time was reserved for WoW, I was hardly an addict. I did plenty of other things in my other time, socialized, did work, went to classes, ate, slept, etc. Probably most telling was that I didn't spend every waking moment thinking about the game. I quit without second thought and went about occupying my game-time with other games. I did see people who were definitely addicted though. The interesting thing about taking large lectures in a tech school is that you see many people playing WoW on their laptops!

I'll probably go back to WoW when the expansion comes out, and hopefully I can avoid addiction once more.

... you just don't want to, eh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873733)

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Let's party! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873838)

HEY! 60 rogue LFG to grind rep for cenarion, timbermaw, thorium, zandalar. Also WTB Life. PST!!!11

Re:I'm not addicted, I can quit anytime I want (2, Insightful)

boaworm (180781) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873928)

Luxury!

I have to farm flowers for 3 hours, to produce my potions used for the 5 hour raids that I attend to gain better equipment so that I can farm flower more quickly =)

Only 40%? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873598)

I figured it would be a LOT more, every wow player I have ever met lack the ability to think, talk or do anything else.

Re:Only 40%? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873659)

... every wow[sic] player I have ever met lack[sic] the ability to think, talk or do anything else.

Big WoW player, are ya?

That number seems a bit low (2, Funny)

davidwr (791652) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873605)

The actual % varies but I think it floats at about 99.40%.

This is purely speculation mind you.

And? (4, Insightful)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873607)

This is news...why? We all know it's addictive, that's kinda the point to these games; To make them as addictive as possible.

So the real story here is that only 40% of the people playing are addicted. This indicates to me that

1) Blizz isn't doing their job correctly if they are capturing under half the population in this way
2) These docs need a new yaht
3) The study is bogus and was carried out incorrectly, invalidating the results.

Guess which one I'm a fan of? ( that's right, all three, for those of you keeping score at home )

Re:And? (5, Insightful)

mrxak (727974) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873749)

Actually, from a business perspective, Blizzard would be better off if their players were not addicts, merely enthusiasts (yes, there's a difference).

With addicts, they're going to be playing all the time. ALL the time. They'll get through the content very quickly, and complain loudly about not having more of it pumped out in each new patch. They'll also use a lot of bandwidth and server time, which Blizzard has to pay for. Chances are these addictive personalities will eventually cause them to jump ship to another MMO to get addicted to, which means less monthly fees. I've seen this happen with people who were definitely addicts, who have eventually quit to play another MMO.

On the other hand, enthusiasts will play when they have free time, rather than quitting their jobs or skipping classes. They'll get through the content slower, probably enjoy more time roleplaying and whatnot, and this means Blizzard can count on their monthly fees for a longer period of time. Blizzard can also take more time to develop new content, since their audience can wait. And that audience, the players who genuinely enjoy the game and haven't gotten through everything yet, will most likely stick around until they have. So long as Blizzard is relatively quick about adding content, they can extend this audience out for a long time.

Blizzard makes more money the less time you spend in their game each month. It's like Netflix, they want you to keep that one DVD on your coffee table for years at a time.

Re:And? (1)

Xymor (943922) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873833)

And We thought WoW was killing the gaming industry. It's killing the whole society.

How long until WoW becomes The Matrix?

Re:And? (4, Insightful)

venicebeach (702856) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873891)

So the real story here is that only 40% of the people playing are addicted
No, not really. That was just a speculation on the part of the clinical psychologist interviewed in the article. She does not appear to have any data to support that figure. The headline of the slashdot story is, as usual, provocatice but misleading. It should read 'clinical psychologist who makes a living treating gaming addiction believes 40% of WoW players are addicted'.

Is this a surprise? (0)

RendonWI (958388) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873609)

I mean the games name is World of Warcrack isn't it?

I'm not surprised. (5, Insightful)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873611)

Personally I refuse to play games like World Of Warcraft, because I know I would be sucked up in them in no time. It's too risky for me

When I found out that my brother in law bought the game I warned him about the game. He shrugged it off. He's only 14 (my wife is 11 years older) and he clearly has no control. He lives alone with his mother, has done allnighters, has already skipped school because of the game but his grades seem still to be unaffected. His mother has no idea what to do because she has absolutely no idea about anything related to computers. When I suggested she'd take away the DSL router, hell broke loose. I think she gave it back after a mere 2 days because his behaviour became unmanagable. He didn't come to the last BBQ we organized. He spends all his days (and nights, I guess) behind his computer playing WoW.

The thing is: I can't critisize him all that much. When I was his age, I was all the time using my computer. Playing Test Drive (CGA version) for hours, or programming in Pascal. It just depended on my mood. Still, it was much easier to break away from it because there was no social component.

Re:I'm not surprised. (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873653)

the thing is, he is 14. A credit card is required to play. If it is that much a problem, he can always be cut off. 14 yr olds don't have credit cards

Re:I'm not surprised. (3, Informative)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873693)

AFAIK he uses prepaid cards [blizzard.com] which are available.... I guess he pays it with his allowance. I never asked, but I don't think his mom gave him her credit card. Heck, I don't think she has a credit card. He certainly doesn't.

Re:I'm not surprised. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873791)

Blizzard implemented parental controls so you can prevent someone from logging in during certain hours of the day. Lockout between midnight and 3pm would be fairly reasonable for a school student.

Re:I'm not surprised. (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873943)

From the FAQ [worldofwarcraft.com] :

Who can set the parental control?

>

Anybody who has access to the account login/password can do the initial setup of the parental controls and set the parental control password. Once an account is under parental control, it can only be modified with the parental control password.">

How much are you willing to bet with me that he is not going to give me his WoW login/password, eh? This only works when an adult set up WoW and premitted his kids to play the game. He bought it, installed it and initialised it himself. I don't even know his WoW username, so I can't even email Blizzard to give me access (which I doubt they will do)

Re:I'm not surprised. (1)

Kjuib (584451) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873680)

Addicted and loving it... It is like water or air...

Re:I'm not surprised. (5, Insightful)

aleksiel (678251) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873703)

the social component is what makes it so addictive, imho. its why i still play it. i would've gotten bored and quit a while ago, since the end game gets pretty repetative. i play it for the friends i've made along the way.

the prevalence of ventrilo/teamspeak allows playing the game to be a much more social environment where everyone shares a big common interest.

WoW allows Parental Control (5, Informative)

Karoshi (241344) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873774)

In WoW it's possible to set a schedule for the playtime.
So it's easy to prevent the kids from playing at schooltime or during the night.
Check the FAQ [worldofwarcraft.com] at their site for more information.

Re:WoW allows Parental Control (3, Insightful)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873827)

Yeah, I know that. The problem is: how am I going to convince him to give me his password? Heck, I don't even know his username on WoW. If someone is going to set in place a technical solution it's going to be me, the default you-know-computers-guy. Would you, as a 14 year old, give the guy that is going to block his account overnight willingly your password? I think not. I know I wouldn't.

Follow the money! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873907)

Who pays for that account? Threat him to cancel the last payment (that will flag his address as "bad guy" what means no playing at any time ever again).

Re:I'm not surprised. (4, Insightful)

vertinox (846076) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873775)

He didn't come to the last BBQ we organized. He spends all his days (and nights, I guess) behind his computer playing WoW.

To be fair, when I was 14, the last thing on Earth I wanted to do would be go to a family event. Heck... When I went to family re-unions, I'd either bring my NES or old school Gameboy and hide somewhere.

Considering the amount of time playing Doom and BBS games and then later MUDs I can see where he is coming from though. But if its affecting school or he's going crazy and threatining someone's life because they stole his cloud song... Well...

Re:I'm not surprised. (1)

jawtheshark (198669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873855)

I hear you. I fully understand. Gameboys, PSPs (he owns a PSP) are not banned on family parties. So no need to even hide it. When he wasn't playing WoW (and he was 13 then) he has no problem going to a family party. His 14 year old cousin was there and we played basketball and had fun in the pool.

Re:I'm not surprised. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873851)


The thing is: I can't critisize him all that much. When I was his age, I was all the time using my computer. Playing Test Drive (CGA version) for hours, or programming in Pascal. It just depended on my mood. Still, it was much easier to break away from it because there was no social component.


And what do you do now?

Re:I'm not surprised. (1)

Joe the Lesser (533425) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873877)

Seems to me like he was looking for a way to get away from his family and life, and that WoW is a conduit, but not the cause.

I bet if someone tried to play with him and create a dialogue things might improve.

Work out a deal that pleases both sides.

Re:I'm not surprised. (1)

Navreet (703315) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873912)

There might be another solution to kids playing video games all the time: don't buy them computers that can play the games.

When I was 14, I ended up being in a situation like that. I could play the basic games, but nothing that was really intensive. However, my computer was fast enough to code, so I ended up coding small 3d apps instead of playing video games. Those circumstances got me interested in game development, and that the extra experience helped me out in college.

Re:I'm not surprised. (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873941)

When I suggested she'd take away the DSL router, hell broke loose. I think she gave it back after a mere 2 days because his behaviour became unmanagable.

I hope his mother understands why her son has no self-control. The above quote is a hint.

Dry eyes? (3, Insightful)

Aokubidaikon (942336) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873625)

If you're suffering from dry eyes, headaches, back aches, erratic sleep patterns, it may be more than just your average hangover: according to Dr. Maressa Orzack, you could be suffering from video and computer game addiction.

Or perhaps you're just in need of a new monitor?

Re:Dry eyes? (5, Insightful)

ConsumerOfMany (942944) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873679)

If you're suffering from dry eyes, headaches, back aches, erratic sleep patterns, it may be more than just your average hangover: according to Dr. Maressa Orzack, you could be suffering from video and computer game addiction.

Along those same lines I guess you would have to conclude I am addicted to Excel and analyzing gas chromatography results as I feel like this at work constantly

Re:Dry eyes? (1)

SatanicPuppy (611928) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873759)

There is a 12 step program for that.

Re:Dry eyes? (1)

StocDred (691816) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873748)

Or you could be suffering from any one of a million other ailments. Maybe you've been out gardening too much. Or working on your car. Or putting in too much overtime at work.

The only thing that can save Dr. Maressa from sounding like a total faux headline chaser is if she is super-hot.

Re:Dry eyes? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873770)

Blinking helps too.

Addicted to WoW (2, Funny)

Alicat1194 (970019) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873642)

You say that like it's a bad thing....

I've got addiction addiction (0, Flamebait)

spun (1352) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873643)

I'm addicted to finding new addictions and getting government money to "fix" them.

"I can quit any time I want" (4, Funny)

the_tsi (19767) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873644)

...Just as long as it does't affect my raid schedule. I need that DKP, you know. And if Elementium Reinforced Bulwark drops while I'm not there, I'll be upset.

I'm not addicted.. (1, Funny)

JFlex (763276) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873652)

to WoW.. who do these doctors think they are? BTW.. LVL 60 DRUID LFG 4 UBRS RUN ASAP! PST!!

Re:I'm not addicted.. (2, Funny)

boaworm (180781) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873869)

If you were the least addicted to WoW, you would be WAY BEYIND looking for pickup groups to UBRS, lul =P

Addicted? (4, Funny)

bitkari (195639) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873655)

If you're suffering from dry eyes, headaches, back aches, erratic sleep patterns, it may be more than just your average hangover: according to Dr. Maressa Orzack, you could be suffering from video and computer game addiction.

No problem.
 
/cast Abolish Disease
/dance

Re:Addicted? (1)

the_tsi (19767) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873704)

Install Decursive, nub.

Re:Addicted? (3, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873743)

If you're suffering from dry eyes, headaches, back aches, erratic sleep patterns,
I've got all that and I don't even play MMOs. It's called "aging poorly."

This is not Fark (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873773)

You know what, this isn't Fark. Those /"" signatures are beyond stupid. Fark is filled with loser alcoholics who have nothing insightful to offer. Please refrain from lowering your IQ as well as mine with /"" signatures. Thank You.

Re:This is not Fark (1)

orangeyoda (958347) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873925)

You cast "Rant" and Miss

I've had these symptoms for a few years... (2, Funny)

tmauer (952690) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873661)

And all this time I thought it was my three year old giving me the headaches and sleep problems...

This is very true (4, Interesting)

Nutcase (86887) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873662)

This is very true. I played in a small raiding guild. When I quit, I had been playing that character for 9 months. I had 7/8 tier 2 gear. For about 2 months prior to quitting, I wasn't even enjoying it. I was showing up because we had a schedule and we had to make it. Systems are in place in major guilds to perpetuate that (DKP/Loot Priority/etc). So I was spending 20-30 hours a week playing a game I was bored of.

Now I've quit. But I still read all the WoW news, I read my guild's website and forums regularly, and I still have the account. I even consider if I'm going to play again when the expansion hits. I haven't played for over 2 months, and I'm still thinking about it many times a week.

That alone is probably enough reason to never play it again.

Re:This is very true (1)

js3 (319268) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873902)

I just started raiding too and I have to admit it's stressful and sort of pointless when you think about it. I play a priest so when there's a wipe you hear the usual "PRIESTS SHOULD KEEP TANK UP!" or "STOP LETTING OUR ROGUES DIE" or "WE HAVE ENOUGH HEALING, WHY ARE WE WIPING" and so on. The only reason people keep doing this is for gear, sad when you think about it.

In the future this will be bigger (1, Informative)

Henry V .009 (518000) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873668)

The woman is in one of the silly sciences, and almost all of what she says can be discounted, but this was interesting:

RW: A lot of comparisons have been made between video game addiction and gambling addiction. Are the two similar?

Dr. Orzack: They are pretty much the same. They have many of the same symptoms: neglecting work and severing personal relationships, for example. People get the same type of excitement from gambling and playing video games. It's called variable ratio reinforcement, which basically means that you keep playing or gambling and failing until you reach your intended goal, but once you reach that goal, you still keep playing.

RW: What about self control and willpower? Should players take some responsibility for their heavy play?

Dr. Orzack: This isn't about willpower or restraint. These games are very elaborately designed to ease you in gently, entice you, and keep you there. And it's a cycle: people begin to spend too much time playing and their careers and personal relationships begin to deteriorate. Then they begin to withdraw more into the game because it's an escape from their real world problems.
The bit about variable ratio reinforcement is the important part. Video game designers haven't perfected this with MMORPGs—they're just starting to get it right. In the future games will be more addictive, more damaging to life outside the game. They'll be better at making you play, but be less satisfying a part of your life.

Re:In the future this will be bigger (1)

hrrY (954980) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873737)

I believe they call this suspension of disbelief.

Re:In the future this will be bigger (4, Insightful)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873802)

The question is, do the creators deliberately make them addictive? I know that there is some argument that Gambling institutions do, by making them noisy, give free food and drinks (so your body doesn't have an excuse to leave) and having lots of flashing lights.

Is there even a difference between making a game enjoyable to play to some people (easy to get learn, fun to continue) and addictive to others?

Re:In the future this will be bigger (5, Informative)

staeiou (839695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873815)

The woman is in one of the silly sciences, and almost all of what she says can be discounted, but this was interesting:

What? From the article:

A clinical psychologist, Orzack is founder and coordinator of Computer Addiction Services at McLean Hospital in Newton, Mass., and is also an assistant professor at Harvard Medical School.

I don't even think that needs explaining, but I'll do it anyway: Clinical psychologists are probably the most pragmatic people in the social sciences (what you call the silly sciences). Her work has absolutly nothing to do with Freudian psychoanalysis (there was nothing in there about gaming addictions meaning that you want to have sex with you mother and kill your father), but instead on the scientific method.

Re:In the future this will be bigger (1)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873897)

Maybe the GP is a scientologist. All hail XENU! Or was it Xena? Can't remember.

Re:In the future this will be bigger (1)

pezpunk (205653) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873888)

i don't think this is true. Blizzard gets exactly the same revenue from a casual player that they do from a hardcore, addicted, obsessed player. casinos, on the other hand .....

video game companies have less to gain by making their games crack-like and super addictive. in fact, blizzard would probably be more likely to retain a broader audience in the long run by tempering the most addictive qualities, and believe it or not i think they know this.

Just Games (1)

Sannish (803665) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873683)

Well, according to those symptoms I am also addicted to reading. Could they be signs of poor ergonomics instead of addiction?

Videogamism is not an addiction.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873688)

...it's a DISEASE!

Politics (4, Insightful)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873699)

While I don't like to see friends suffer any addictions they're getting by just fine. My only concern is that politicians will use these statistics to legislate gaming. There's no direct evidence that violence in games leads to violence in real life. But if they can use the valid label "addiction" and quantify it who knows what kind of crazy legislation they may try to pass. Any negative word they can apply to gaming is fuel for their pointless causes.

Maybe I'm going overboard. But it angers me to no end when I see one of my senators giving BS speeches about how games should be regulated.

Re:Politics (1)

superwiz (655733) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873805)

It doesn't matter if it makes you angry or what consequences this will have. This is results of a scientific research. Although... I have a neuroscientist sitting next to me right now... and her only comment on all statiscs-based brain research is a loud pfff.

Re:Politics (1)

Amouth (879122) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873823)

yea.. the politicians are just jealous of the power that china has over it's people...

think about it.. they can change what they want when they want.. they don't have to worry about reelection time.. and they get fat checks.. you know that if the politicians where the ones that created the game that was so addictive that people played until they died and didn't interact with society that they would have no issue taking there money every month....

the fact that our government has long forgotten their place is something that needs to be demonstrated to them..

Nothing unusual (1)

operagost (62405) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873711)

If you're suffering from dry eyes, headaches, back aches, erratic sleep patterns, it may be more than just your average hangover: according to Dr. Maressa Orzack, you could be suffering from video and computer game addiction.
Just sounds like anyone who spends too much time in front of a computer.

Micah (5, Interesting)

skammie (802503) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873719)

My brother lost his job 5 weeks ago. He's been playing WoW for about a year prior to his layoff, and his addiction to game did not cause him to lose his job.
He has no motivation to go and look for a job, he only eats maybe once a day, and his house is pig sty.
He came by yesterday asking for $150 to pay his rent or he was going to be kicked out. I loaned him $40 two weeks ago, and I am sure that he used that towards his cable bill or his WoW account.
He looks like a crack or meth addict (having been around those types of people myself), and he doesn't care about anything but playing that damn game.
I almost got into to playing that game shortly after he started a year or so ago. I am glad I have not purchased the game, and I have no interest in WoW after seeing my brother play the game for three days straight with no sleep (yellow jackets were used to keep himself awake!).

I know it's not the game that is the problem, it's the person with the addictive personality. How can we recognize, and then treat video game addiction? Is it recognized as a real problem, or are they told to just grow up? 12 steps have been proven to NOT work for ALL people, and my brother is one of them.

Re:Micah (4, Interesting)

Lispy (136512) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873834)

I honestly feel for you. A friend of mine who was playing Everquest looked and behaved the same way until he got kicked out of the university, got kicked out of his flat by his roommates, had hair to the shoulders (not because it was cool but because there was no money/time/incentive to trim it) ate raw sugar if anything at all, smoked cigarettes made of newspapers and old tobacco from the roommates ashtrays etc...

Shall I go on?? He was about the smartest person I ever knew and now he is working as a facility manager in a small appartment building.
Its a fucking tragedy. If you want my advice break it to your brother that he either quits playing or should no longer rely on you helping him out. Its like alcoholics. As long as you help them out of their mess they wont change their behaviour pattern...

Personally I cant afford playing these games although I would love to because of this exact problem.
Its my retirement plan however locking up in a room and lvl away. How sad is that? ;-)

Hmmm (4, Funny)

Spad (470073) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873726)

"Doctor with vested interest makes sensational statement to support business model" shocker.

Re:Hmmm (1)

Fingerbob (613137) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873960)

mod parent up!

First sensible reply i've seen so far.

good lord, it's a game - if you're crazy enough to play it to the point where it's detrimental to your life, then you probably have bigger issues - and at least you're not spending the time robbing houses to pay for drugs, or fueling some other potentially devastating addictive behaviour.

Mad props for the Night Court reference (4, Funny)

Flounder (42112) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873739)

"I once counted to a million. Missed the entire Ford Administration. But I'm feeling much better now."

Re:Mad props for the Night Court reference (2, Funny)

ixtapa (903468) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873844)

Doesn't catching a Night Court reference categorically exclude one from saying "mad props"?

Moderation (5, Insightful)

Atheose (932144) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873751)

"RW: What about self control and willpower? Should players take some responsibility for their heavy play? Dr. Orzack: This isn't about willpower or restraint. These games are very elaborately designed to ease you in gently, entice you, and keep you there. And it's a cycle: people begin to spend too much time playing and their careers and personal relationships begin to deteriorate. Then they begin to withdraw more into the game because it's an escape from their real world problems" The part about willpower is completely wrong: If you exercise willpower and self control, then you can keep the addiction under control. Everything in moderation. Orzack is basically saying that no matter how we act, we will get addicted, and that is simply not true. What ever happened to people being responsible for their own actions?

Evolution (5, Funny)

kripkenstein (913150) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873761)

TFA:

it's a cycle: people begin to spend too much time playing and their careers and personal relationships begin to deteriorate. Then they begin to withdraw more into the game because it's an escape from their real world problems.

RW: So what's the solution?


My solution: let nature take its course. In a few generations there will be no gamers left.

Where does 40% come from? (3, Insightful)

XxtraLarGe (551297) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873762)

I RTFA, and I didn't see anywhere that they did a poll of WoW players and came up with this statistic. It seems more like a wild assed guess than anything else. Surely there are some people addicted to WoW, but I seriously doubt the number is anywhere near as high as 40%.

Re:Where does 40% come from? (1)

richg74 (650636) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873857)

I think the technical term for the estimation method used is "rectal extraction".

Nothing to see... Move along... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873796)

according to Dr. Maressa Orzack, you could be suffering from video and computer game addiction. A clinical psychologist, Orzack is founder and coordinator of Computer Addiction Services

Just another personality that wants to cash-in on peoples fear they could be less addicted to TV than to a video game.

End of story... Nothing to see... Move along...

And when... (1)

HaloZero (610207) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873810)

...will the patch be released to deal with this issue? And then the follow up patch that introduces three other bugs? And then the patch to patch the sub bugs? And then the patch that actually fixes what the first patch was supposed to fix, followed by more awkward class nerfing.

*warms up the gremli^H^H^H^H^H^H 'Blizzard Background Downloader'*

If I have time (1)

Kuvter (882697) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873813)

to read and reply to this post that means I'm not addicted right... right?

Shiny and new! (4, Interesting)

ari{Dal} (68669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873819)

I play WoW (yes, a real girl with boobs and everything playing WoW! Who'da thunk it!), and at first, it was kind of addicting. There was so much to explore, so many things to see and do. I think that first weekend, I played til 4 or 5 AM both nights. When I realised how unhealthy that was, I stopped, and vowed that if I EVER refused a social engagement in real life to play WoW, or neglected my real life duties for it, I'd uninstall it immediately. I'm now in a casual raiding guild (we raid once a week on Fridays), and log in at other times only to play with (local) people I know if they need some help.

But I'm one of those people who's lucky enough to not have an addictive personality. I didn't get addicted to IRC or the 'net. I can go weeks without logging into a computer outside of work without any problem. When my laptop (my only computer) crashed at home two months ago, I puttered for a few weeks before even bothering to reinstall the OS; WoW got reinstalled a few days later when I felt like it. I can even go without coffee for days on end if I choose to.

Honestly, I'm thankful for that. The LAST thing I want to be is one of those people who lives and breathes on a videogame. It's scary to think that it's so addicting; I have to wonder why, though? There's nothing physical there to draw you in. It isn't like alcohol or nicotine. Is it the social aspects? Being able to completely control your surroundings, as you can't in real life? What is it about a videogame like WoW or Everquest that sucks people in so completely that it makes them ignore friends, family, and real life?

I think, as someone who's not an addict, I'll never really understand it.

Re:Shiny and new! (4, Informative)

HaloZero (610207) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873842)

Boobs are a myth. They don't actually exist.

I used to play... (1)

Cap'nPedro (987782) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873848)

That's exactly why I stopped playing WoW - I just couldn't keep up with a guild. I have school and work and a social life (yeah I'll just leave my geek membership card here, shall I?).

There was no way that I'd be able to find enough time to level up and go on all raids and guild activities etc.

Re:I used to play... (1)

Madpony (935423) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873948)

Exactly! Once I hit 60th level, and tried out the "high-end" game content, I realized that I would have to sacrifice massive hunks of my time at home, and quite possibly my time SLEEPING at home, in order to keep-up with the guild.

Screw that! I'd rather spend my video game time playing games that don't require me to play for multiple uninterruptible hours. For other casual gamers, like me, I highly recommend buying a Nintendo DS instead of playing WoW. Hey, you can CLOSE IT, and it will pause your game, any game, no matter what you're currently doing in the game! I CAN GO TO THE BATHROOM AGAIN!

It is not an addiction (1)

decepetion (632646) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873852)

Unless you are trying to quit......
Now where did I leave my [Wand of Moderation] +5 dmg to Anonymous Trolls

What's wrong with addiction? (1)

xENoLocO (773565) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873872)

So an addiction is what... just a habit, right? If I'm addicted to making my bed, is it a bad thing? I'm addicted to programming, apparently, I have a few things on that list. however, I attribute them to wisdom teeth that need to be removed, lack of sleep, and the fact that theres a ghost living with me. ... but again, that could be attributed to the lack of sleep. :)

A couple of things (2, Insightful)

gstegman (988905) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873885)

First, is it just me or did she seem to pull that 40% number right out of her ass? How many of the 6 million users did she interview. If you work at a place where all you see is people who are addicted then I am pretty sure you are going to think that a lot of people are addicted. Secondly, she seems to be immediately discounting true emotional problems really quickly in her example. Oh there's this 18 year old kid who plays all the time and doesn't get along with his family. Well does he not get along with his family BECAUSE he plays all the time or does he play all the time BECAUSE he doesn't get along with his family. Seems that she is not asking the question. She's an adiction specialist, of course she thinks it's an adiction. When you have a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

Anything can become an addiction (4, Insightful)

diamondsw (685967) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873894)

Anything, if taken to extremes, can become an addiction. It is true that MMORPG's (World of Warcraft being far and away the more successful) encourage this. You have monthly fees that (aside from paying for the infrastructure, bandwidth, etc) entice you to play to justify the ongoing and mounting expense. Grouping makes sure you show up at given times, etc. The random rewards of epic loot in advanced dungeons is similar to random reward studies (which show it's the most powerful form of behavior shaping - see slot machines). You have to set limits on it just like anything else, whether it's drinking or TV.

However, there are some differences here to other addictions. There is no physical addiction, and hardly any psychological one. You can put it down, and other than mild obsession (what's going on in Azeroth?), it has no ill effects. Hell, you can discontinue your account, and they keep all of your character info, so you can completely unplug, and return at some point in the future when you're interested again, much like an offline game. There's also a limit - you may play a lot to reach level 60, but then you do stop. Sure, you can join raids, get gear, but the drive to constantly improve falls away (other games, like Disgaea, are far, far worse in this regard).

The most important difference is that if handled well, it can be a positive social tool. I play, but only with people I know in real life. That way we can talk about other things and it allows a set time for us to get together, without having to drive out to each other (I live over an hour away from many of them, and that's just suburban sprawl!).

Mostly, this is a lot of fuss over nothing.

I call B.S. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15873903)

The title should be "40 Percent of World of Warcraft Players Wasting What Little Real Life They Have"

Addiction has nothing to do with it.
It's all about poor judgment
(Should I get some sleep before work/school or stay up all night on-line?)
and escapism.
(I'd rather be playing WoW than sitting in this meeting/classroom.)

Look Forward (2, Insightful)

akaina (472254) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873909)

You can look forward to these types of stories getting more coverage. Mainly because the major media outlets stand to lose from non-television entertainment.

I feel like I'm reading an article from 1950 about the dangers of Rock and Roll.

They say... (1)

urdine (775754) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873910)

They say 40% of the time... it works every time.

Dr. Orzack Quote (2, Funny)

Calso (838106) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873917)

From the Q&A on her website:
Initially I noticed that I was spending too much time on computer games such as solitaire and cruel. I became so absorbed in games that I neglected or delayed meeting various personal obligations. I stayed up too late. This led me to realize that behavior of this kind could be an addiction.
I personally give credence to the notion of video game addiction (I've been clean from CS for three years now, Halo for six months). Even so, if you can stand playing solitaire for more than an hour, you must already be addicted to crack.

I don't believe in video game addiction (1)

hrrY (954980) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873930)

I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.
If anything, they are just people that walk this earth abused for what they wore or how they think or activities they find solace in, for all intents and purposes, unique in their own right, and summarily persecuted for it in the "real world". Their not addicted to the damn game, their addicted to being accepted; or in some strange, awkard cases of not being accepted, for their base personality traits. The simple concept of chat rooms is proof of this, and thats where the higher order people interaction is occuring in this game. In summary, WoW is the prettiest chat room ever created. If you put a bunch of socially challenged people in a dark room for a few days that enjoyed each others company you could essentially create the same thing.

Get the facts str8 (1)

tsunamiiii (975673) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873942)

Oh where have the Fact Chekers gone to. McLean Hospital is in Belmont Ma not Newton Mass and if you can't get the easy facts right...

Who really gives a fuck? (0, Troll)

SensitiveMale (155605) | more than 7 years ago | (#15873945)

Christ people. One of these stories every other week is getting old.
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