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Bully Trailer Hits the Web

CowboyNeal posted more than 8 years ago | from the rockstar-at-it-again dept.

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GGLucas writes "Contrary to the rumours that have spread about the Rockstar game, Bully, and it's storyline, the game's trailer as released by IGN today spins in a completely different direction, anti-game critics will not be happy. From the article: 'Bully puts players in control of 15 year-old Jimmy Hopkins — a boy who has just begun his first year in the New England-based Bullworth Academy, and a guy who's charged with the mission of ridding the school of a number of its undesirable elements.'"

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Bad marketting (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886551)

Their target demographic is nerds, so why do they create a game about our oldest enemy?

Re:Bad marketting (1)

OverlordQ (264228) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886583)

Erm, RTFA, you're the dude who's trying to take down the Bullies, so . . what was your complaint again?

Re:Bad marketting (5, Informative)

zerocommazero (837043) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886633)

I guess it's the fact that NO ONE remembered (especially the editor) that the original game synopsis WAS that you were a kid who basically got fed up and fought back against bullies, bad teachers, etc.

Come on, Slashdot, you're supposed to be better than the regular news spin!

Re:Bad marketting (1)

Jrabbit05 (943335) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886845)

Exactly any ESRB rep worth his weight in salt should be able to see that. But who knows with the "E 10+" craze...

Mod parent up! (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886763)

Their target demographic is nerds, so why do they create a game about our oldest enemy?

Mod parent up. please. He didn't know better, and still, I applaud his immediate courage to stand up and defend our ranks.

In the meantime, I can answer your question: because they're working on a crossover sequel, Bully 2/Postal 3: Siege over Columbine.

Uh... right

Anyway, from the website's [rockstargames.com] overview [rockstargames.com] :

"The Rockstar tradition of groundbreaking, original gameplay and humorous tongue-in-cheek storytelling invades an entirely new setting: the schoolyard.

As a mischievous schoolboy, you'll stand up to bullies, get picked on by teachers, play pranks, win or lose the girl, and ultimately learn to navigate the obstacles of the worst school around, Bullworth Academy - a corrupt and crumbling prep school with an uptight facade.

The story follows Jimmy Hopkins, a teenager who's been expelled from every school he's ever attended. Left to fend for himself after his mother abandons him at Bullworth to go on her fifth honeymoon, Jimmy has a whole year at Bullworth ahead of him, working his way up the social ladder of this demented institution of supposed learning, standing up for what he thinks is right and taking on the liars, cheats and snobs who are the most popular members of the student body and faculty. If Jimmy can survive the school year and outsmart his rivals, he could rule the school.

Ready yourself for a hilarious return to campus living with Bully, the outrageously funny debut title from Rockstar Vancouver, available exclusively for PlayStation®2 computer entertainment system this October."


This actually looks like a fun game. I'd play it.

Mr. Trolley,
Trolls, Inc

Re:Mod parent up! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886943)

As a mischievous schoolboy, you'll stand up to bullies, get picked on by teachers, play pranks, win or lose the girl,

Given that it's set in New England, I think you could also find yourself hooking up with another guy...
 
Of course, I do have to admit that New England seems to be the perfect place to set a school full of dishonest, pompous people. New England just seems to breed pompous windbags. (Think John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Richard Stallman...)

Doesn't seem too bad (5, Interesting)

vinividivici (919782) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886557)

How bad can a game about a kid countering a bully possibly be?

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (3, Funny)

Kuroji (990107) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886592)

They forgot to mention the working title of Grand Theft Classroom; many of the bullies can be run over during driver's ed.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (5, Funny)

Daniel Dvorkin (106857) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886618)

How bad can a game about a kid countering a bully possibly be?

Oh, very, very bad.

You see, kids who fight back against bullies are just like Harris and Klebold! They wear black and listen to scary music and have guns, lots of guns! And they kill people with them! Lots and lots of people!

In fact, any kid who fights back against a bully might just be ...

A TERRORIST! LOOK! LOOK, OVER THERE! SCARY, SCARY TERRORISTS!

TERRORISTS! 9/11! ROCKSTAR GAMES! 9/11! AL-QAEDA! 9/11! COLUMBINE! 9/11! TERRORISTS! RED LAKE! 9/11! THEY'RE ALL IN IT TOGETHER! WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHIIIIIIIIIILDREN!

There. I hope this clears things up for you.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (5, Funny)

ToasterofDOOM (878240) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886720)

you just won the presidential vote for Utah in 2008

And they don't rape women like jocks do (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886732)

That DEFINITELY puts them out of favor with the pedophiling school officials.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (4, Funny)

idonthack (883680) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886761)

Hmmm....
  1. Like Harris and Klebold... Well, I'm a geek in high school and I play video games. Close enough!
  2. Black clothes... Check! I got like six shirts at QuakeCon.
  3. Scary music... Yep, my baby sister is terrified by MC Hawking!
  4. Guns, lots of guns... Well I don't actually have any, but once I downloaded a book on how to make one!
Awesome. I'm a real live terrorist.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (1)

Traiklin (901982) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886931)

don't forget to report yourself to the local branch of the Homeland Security office, it's your sworn duty to turn yourself in.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (1)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886995)

Why would anyone actually swear to turn themself in?

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (1)

AngryUndead (733008) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887153)

duh. they swear before they notice the symptoms. then they're trapped in a trap of their own making.

Foiled again!

1999: My Life *was* hell; then Columbine (5, Interesting)

Un-Thesis (700342) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886838)

I am a 5' 4" male nerd who wears corrective lenses. I was habitually psychophysically tortured by bullies throughout my life; today women shun me because I am still to this day psychologically scarred by their antics in my youth (although I'm getting better).

I used to be ridiculed, beat up, harrassed, and generally driven to depression *daily* by a *wide*range* of youth at my school; not just traditional bullies. Columbine happened when I was a Junior (or virtually finished with my primary education).

All of a sudden, my harrassment stopped! Literally that very same day! I was called into the Principle's office a full three times. The reason? I met a lot of the characteristics of the massacrists; sans a close friend (at that time I had none). All of a sudden, people would actually come up to me and spontaneously *apologize* for how they treated me; even 8 years later people are still *apologizing* to me as I sporadically meet them in town :O

I used to go to the Principle's office to report being punched in the face, jumped in the parking lot or being spat on by groups of girls (seriously :(, just to be told to "fight back" or "suck it up" or something. Now, my 15 yr-old nephew got guys *expelled* or transferred to other schools merely because they made fun of him and the school now has a zero harrassment policy!

After nearly 2 decades of near persistent parent-teacher meetings, moving to different schools, etc, to try to assuage the torture my peers inflicted upon the obvious physical grunt of the pack (but i have an IQ of 150), schools are finally taking things seriously.

So excuse me if it took a horrible massacre to make ordinary people realize how horribly detrimental their actions are. God turning something bad good, I guess. I will always remember the day of Columbine as the day my life started becoming enjoyable for the first time ever.

Re:1999: My Life *was* hell; then Columbine (-1, Troll)

bubulubugoth (896803) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887020)

Isnt there a Patehtic +1 mod point?

Re:1999: My Life *was* hell; then Columbine (0, Flamebait)

MORTAR_COMBAT! (589963) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887100)

I would have guessed that someone with an IQ of 150 would know the difference between grunt and runt.

Re:1999: My Life *was* hell; then Columbine (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15887178)

YOU WILL DIE ALONE.

Re:1999: My Life *was* hell; then Columbine (1)

MayorDefacto (586113) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887284)

If that was a troll, then sir, I salute you.
If it was legit, then you have my deepest sympathies.

Unfortunatly... (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887311)

Unfortunatly that is a common story. I have to wonder how many of the people who blame you for getting mugged would take responsibility for their mugging if their coworker punched them in the face and stole their wallet every day.

Re:1999: My Life *was* hell; then Columbine (0, Troll)

DesireCampbell (923687) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887353)

corrective lenses
What? Oh, man. Even *I* would beat you up for that.

psychophysically tortured
Oh man. "Psychophysically"? They were physically torturing you with their minds? They were *teasing you*. Grow a fuckin' spine.

All of a sudden, my harassment stopped! Literally that very same day! I was called into the Principle's office a full three times. The reason? I met a lot of the characteristics of the massacrists; sans a close friend (at that time I had none). All of a sudden, people would actually come up to me and spontaneously *apologize* for how they treated me; even 8 years later people are still *apologizing* to me as I sporadically meet them in town :O
Yeah, your school's full of pussies. They see a couple of psychos go ape-shit and they're scared it'll happen there too.

I used to go to the Principle's office to report being punched in the face, jumped in the parking lot or being spat on by groups of girls (seriously :(, just to be told to "fight back" or "suck it up" or something.
Didn't *I* just tell you to do that?

Now, my 15 yr-old nephew got guys *expelled* or transferred to other schools merely because they made fun of him and the school now has a zero harassment policy!
I really hope you're not happy about that...

After nearly 2 decades of near persistent parent-teacher meetings, moving to different schools, etc, to try to assuage the torture my peers inflicted upon the obvious physical grunt of the pack (but i have an IQ of 150), schools are finally taking things seriously
Oh, you ARE happy about it. Great. Do you know how bad a 'zero tolerance policy' is? These are children. Children. They don't have adult brains, they can't be held to adult consequences.

Kids fight with each other - it's normal. Parents (and in their absence: teachers, sport coaches, and other guardians) should be teaching their children that violence is wrong - but straying from that ideal is something an adolescent brain will do. Thus we do not punish children to the same extent we would punish adults. Kicking a kid out of school just because he said he'd beat up some other kid is absurd.

These policies are put in place, not to help kids, but to protect them. There's a difference there. You should be teaching kids not to fight with each other at all - not restraining all aggression to non-supervised areas. Teachers should be acting as 'teachers', not 'police'.

Truly, children need guidance, not punishment. I repeat: children need guidance, not punishment.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886842)

I think you need to take your own advice and just...

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHIIIIIIIIIILDREN!

Stupid lameness filter.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (1)

Mir322 (519212) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887320)

but, but.. what about abortion and gay marriage? !!!!!!!!!! ;)

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (5, Insightful)

darkitecture (627408) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886770)

How bad can a game about a kid countering a bully possibly be?

I can't tell whether that was meant to be a rhetorical question or not. There might have been sarcasm or you might be being fatuous, I'm not sure. But just in case you were being serious, let me highlight something:

It could be said that Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold (responsible for the Columbine massacre) were 'countering' the bullies that harrassed them at school. An extreme example for sure, but never underestimate human flaws when it comes to such powerful emotional forces as retribution.

With that said, I've bought several of Rockstar's games which have been considered 'violent' and probably plan on buying this game too if it seems any good. I'd like to think of myself as a successful late-20-something who has played countless violent and disturbing video games, watched graphic depiction of violence in numerous movies and tv shows and also was the victim of bullying in school (weren't we all?). Yet I'm still a well-adjusted member of society, an upstanding citizen, have never committed a crime, vote, am involved in charitable works, have a good sense of morality and have no qualms with allowing my children to play violent games with morally dubious goals and watch violent movies - as long as I've deemed they're mature enough for such things. I find it is my duty to keep a constant vigil on my childrens' moral/ethical maturity and to screen/judge their input accordingly. I appreciate there being an ratings board for games and the like, but I think this should be considered simply a guide and that parents should take some god damn responsibility and take charge.

I played some brutal games and watched some horribly graphic movies while I was a kid but I had good enough parents that they knew that although those games and movies weren't the most palatable inputs, they weren't having some sort of detrimental inpact on my growth, my education or my general health/wellbeing. They understood that *I* understood the difference between movies/video games and reality. They understood that although I might be ripping someone's spine out in Mortal Kombat, I was still writing A+ history reports and still knew my sines from my cosines. I might have been going on a Redneck Rampage with my shotgun but I still volunteered at the local Salvation Army thrift store on the occasional weekend and took out the trash and brushed my teeth before bedtime.

Ratings boards should never be considered a substitute for good parenting.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15887082)

Dylan and Klebold brought propane-tank bombs into Columbine with them. They planned to kill off hundreds of kids. They recorded their desire for fame and notoriety on video before they died.

I'd say that if their goal was fighting back against a couple of bullies, they didn't do a very good job of it.

Re:Doesn't seem too bad (1)

mqduck (232646) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887292)

With that said, I've bought several of Rockstar's games which have been considered 'violent'

Oh, I'd love to hear the arguments against this.

Gee, think they changed the storyline? (1)

cryptochrome (303529) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886574)

I reckon after the first wave of indignation they did.

Never about Being the bully (2, Informative)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886596)

I'm not sure about what changed but the first time i read the "article" on this game many months ago it said you wereon't going to be the bully. I thought you were gonna be the guy being picked on or something, in any case it was never about being the bully.

Wah? (3, Interesting)

Kid Zero (4866) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886589)

That made less sense than most teaser trailers I've seen. I saw nothing to support Rockstars claims of "Wait! This isn't the game they say it is!" mantra.

To the anti-game critics: (4, Insightful)

Jerk City Troll (661616) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886591)

How about we put the burden of raising children on the parents who chose to had them. How about instead of futilely trying to childproof the world we let people decide for themselves and their own children what's appropriate.

If a kid has $50 bucks to blow on the new hotness their either have their parents permission (ill considered as it may be), too much for an allowance, gainful employment, or an entry level position in a criminal enterprise. None of these is the problem of developers or retailers.

Besides, none of the GTA games come close to the sex and violence of the bible. Babykilling and incest? Check. I want to see Rockstar do a Bible game like GTA, where you can wander around brutally killing and raping anything.

Re:To the anti-game critics: (2, Funny)

diablomonic (754193) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886668)

hehe nicely put (but wait, the bible is the word of god. He's allowed to say that stuff, just not us.....)

Re:To the anti-game critics: (1)

chris_eineke (634570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886961)

How can it be the word of God if it was written down by Men?

Re:To the anti-game critics: (2, Funny)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887023)

You are over thinking. Head down to the nearest church and have them beat your brains out with a rock. That way, you won't question religion anymore.

Duh (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15887065)

Just like the pink slip is the "Word" of your boss. Even if his secretary actually held the pin and wrote it down.

Re:Duh (2, Insightful)

LordofEntropy (250334) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887280)

Bad analogy, the secretary and your boss are both human, whom with you have physically interacted with. You can verify the secretary's note with your boss face to face.

"God's" word was written by men who say they talked to god(not a human), but noone can verify by talking to god directly, for the whole not a human reason People who talk to god and claim he responds directly are considered heretics or touched--if the Christian church could still get a way with it, said people would be burned at the stake. The church doesn't want other people delivering a message that hasn't been edited through the appropriate channels.

Re:To the anti-game critics: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886768)

Rockstar presents....

"GTA: The Way of The LORD" [endorsed by the US Government and Scientology Inc., For ages 10 and above.]
Sleep with the hooker! Sleep with her sister! Hell, sleep with YOUR sister!

Re:To the anti-game critics: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886787)

"I want to see Rockstar do a Bible game like GTA, where you can wander around brutally killing and raping anything."

sounds like the most historically accurate bible game concept yet

I Dunno... (1)

PixelScuba (686633) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886888)

I've played Super 3D Noah's Ark.

on a side note... (1)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886812)

The lesson one should learn from the Bible is... have daughters, not sons.

Daughters never paid the price of their parents' misdeeds...

OT: Daughters in the Bible... (1)

hiryuu (125210) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886990)

Daughters never paid the price of their parents' misdeeds...

It's a debatable point as to whether it's a misdeed or not, but there's always the passage where Lot offered up his daughters (virgin daughters, if I recall correctly) to the rabble to persuade them to leave be the guests. Someone with a concordance or a better memory of those passages correct me or back me up?

Re:OT: Daughters in the Bible... (1)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887076)

That did happen, IIRC they were spared though.

But you're essentially right; I hereby backpedal... thousands of women were not put to death all at one time for the mistakes of their parents...

Re:To the anti-game critics: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886923)

That's a good point you have there. The Bible really glorifies babykilling and incest (hey! Mary is a member of God's family! Remember???).

If Rockstar made a videogame based on the teachings of The Bible, it would TOTALLY be that game where you wander around 'brutally killing and raping anything.'

High five man - feel the jive!!!

Forgive me if I am getting a little sidetracked here, but let me ask you a question: have you ever read The Bible?

Re:To the anti-game critics: (4, Funny)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886925)

I want to see Rockstar do a Bible game like GTA, where you can wander around brutally killing and raping anything.

Rockstar North proudly presents: "Holy Man - Old Testament Style!"

  • Steal another player's sword and cut off his head with it!
  • Throw your virgin daughters to the gay rapists to save your own ass!
  • Wade ankle deep through the blood of thousands of your enemies!
  • Rape a woman and kill her man, then become king of your people!
  • Don't like no sass? Cut out your opponents tongues!
  • Want your own slaves? Build up the biggest posse! Whip 'em into shape - literally!
  • Three words: Stoning! Stoning! Stoning!
  • Ritual human sacrifice!

"E" -- Content rated by ESRB -- Everyone

Re:To the anti-game critics: (1)

plover (150551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887075)

I almost forgot the best feature: you can also play as the bad guys!

That would likely sell. (1)

Belial6 (794905) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887354)

That would likely sell, and the bible belt outrage would make sure that every person in the country knew about it. Of course they should definitly be encouraged to show their outrage by each buying 20 copies and burning them in protest.

Re:To the anti-game critics: (1)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886948)

I understand what you are saying. After all, the word of God is full of tales of sex and violence. The key difference is that the Bible does not glorify them.


I actually ran an anti-bullying program in high school (went and taught elementary students about not killing each other) but I fail to see how this game will make things worse. Bullying is a huge problem in this country and parents seem too busy to blame anybody outside of the community. People need to realize that video games are not going to make people into bullys; families, schools, and other close influences do.

Re:To the anti-game critics: (2, Informative)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887008)

It doesn't? Try rereading it. Lot gave his daughters to be raped by a mob, and is called a just man. The hebrews are glorified for slaughtering philistines, among several other ethnic groups. THe bible does nothing *but* glorify rape and violence.

Re:To the anti-game critics: (4, Insightful)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887099)

THe bible does nothing *but* glorify rape and violence.


You have to admit that the content of Rockstar games is entirely different from that of The Holy Bible, both in content and presentation.

Re:To the anti-game critics: (1, Flamebait)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887151)

Yes. Rockstar doesn't pretend to be anything other than it is. I'd give my kids GTA long before I'd hand them a bible.

Re:To the anti-game critics: (1)

rpillala (583965) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887113)

People think that if we put the burden on parents they will fulfill it. That's naive.

Left Behind: The Video Game (1)

MsGeek (162936) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887172)

It's not exactly the Bible but it's based on an interpretation of Revelation:

Left Behind: Eternal Forces [talk2action.org] .

You are a fighter with the "Tribulation Force" in New York City during the Antichrist's reign. You have a mission: convert heathen Gothamites. If you can't convert 'em, kill 'em all and let Jeebus sort 'em out. Oh yeah, you can play as an agent of the Antichrist if you want to.

This is not a joke. This is real. And it will be out in time for Xmas.

Re:To the anti-game critics: (1)

nfarrell (127850) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887258)

Do you seriously think a child's upbringing is solely in the hands of the parents? Even a parent with the best of intentions is not capable of ensuring their children are in a stimulating, challenging yet nurturing environment. Every time you walk out the door, turn on the TV or open a newspaper you're exposed to advertising, trying to make you change your behaviour. Sure, we all think WE have the will-power to see through the smoke and mirrors, but it's that level of ego which helps the ads be so pervasive and effective.

Games are not made to make us better people, or even to make us happy (MMORPGs anyone?). They're made to sell copies, and perhaps ideologies (america's army, etc.) The designers do not care at all what effect the game will have on you, your children, or anyone else. If they can make a game contentious and generate more publicity (=sales), they'll jump at the chance.

Some people forget that we're supposed to live in a SOCIETY, which means interacting with others. I don't like the idea of a nanny state, but I don't like the idea of having games which include "wandering around brutally killing and raping anything".

The more we're exposed to something, the more familiar it becomes. It doesn't mean we'll all become serial rapists overnight, but it does we see rape as less barbaric than it is.

Anti-game critics will not be happy (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886594)

It does appear that Bully is indeed a game and not a spreadsheet so I suspect the anti-game people will be mad.

Re:Anti-game critics will not be happy (4, Funny)

Russ Steffen (263) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886801)

Microsoft Excel is nothing but a fraud simulator! It teaches impressionable kids how to orchestrate massive financial con games! Parents, do you want your child to be the next Ken Lay or Bernie Ebbers? Then do the right thing, and lets get Excel out of our schools.

Won't someone please think of the children?

Re:Anti-game critics will not be happy (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886834)

Won't someone please think of the children?

Unless you're a Catholic priest or a Boy Scout troop leader, then please stop thinking about the children

Great Trailer (1)

kmhebert (586931) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886604)

It's hard to tell what exactly you will do in the game but if it has any of the immersive appeal of GTA it will be a smash hit. ANd the target of a ban by ignorant lawmakers everywhere!

I have to ask... (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886607)

Does this young vigilante like to drink hot coffee at recess?

Rockstar (2, Insightful)

MM_LONEWOLF (994599) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886619)

Yeah, the bible does have a lot of that, but come on. What do you think is going to capture a teenagers attention more. Reading the bible, or going out wit your homies and capping some ballas? Rockstar knows that their games capture the attention of teenagers, I should know, i'm 14, and thats how they sell their games. Should they be allowed to make these games? sure. If the parents don't want their kids playing them, then don't buy it for them. The big M on the box doesn't stand for mild.

Porn vs. Violence (4, Interesting)

yeoua (86835) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886637)

Ok so in the United States, porn is basically not legal to buy by a minor. The store can't sell it to you, and you can't rent it.

And hell, NC-17 movies exist, as do R movies (which require a parent).

So why do games not have similar levels of preventative measures?

I guess the question I have is... why should games NOT have such similar measures (I'm in favor of NO limitations to who can buy actually) while porn and movies do? And if you believe that games should be freely buyable, would you consider allowing porn and any rated movie to also be freely buyable? What about cigerettes and alcohol?

It seems that we keep on having specific rules/laws per each individual "substance", and many are inconsistent with each other in terms of necessity.

Re:Porn vs. Violence (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886656)

I think all of those items you mentioned are enforced on a voluntary basis, the same as video games are.

As far as I know, there aren't any laws that prohibit the sale of such things to a minor.

The last time I checked... (1)

Rachel Lucid (964267) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886666)

My Mom got carded for buying me BLACK & WHITE! ... so I don't see where you're under the impression that there's a problem here.

Re:The last time I checked... (5, Funny)

kjart (941720) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886813)

I can think of a number of places where Black and White might be considered the most obscene game ever. Heck, the game lets you pretend to be god - what's shooting someone in the head compared to that?

Re:The last time I checked... (1)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887318)

Your creature can also poop all over buildings and people, ripping massive farts the whole time. If that's not obscene, I don't know what is.

Re:Porn vs. Violence (2, Informative)

linguae (763922) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886673)

Non-pornographic movie ratings are not government mandated; they are enforced privately. That same logic is used for games, as long as they are not pornographic.

Pornography falls under a set of laws that are similar to the laws for buying tobacco products and alcohol.

Re:Porn vs. Violence (1)

Tony Lechner (994093) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886692)

"So why do games not have similar levels of preventative measures?" Gamers do have the same measures as movies. People seem to get it stuck in their head that the MPAA's movie rating system is an actual law... it's not. The way I understand it is that if a theater doesn't recognize the MPAA's rating system, the MPAA doesn't recognize the theater, and thus no movie. The ESRB rating system works off the same thing.

Re:Porn vs. Violence (2, Funny)

kace (557434) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886746)

An old teacher of mine related in class once that back in the 50's -- or 60's or something like that -- when the movie rating system was new, some theaters would print in advertisements that: "This movie is rated 'R' for violence, so it's OK to bring the kids!"

Re:Porn vs. Violence (1)

Wescotte (732385) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886815)

It's off topic but i ran across this today and found it too funny not to share. It's a old PSA about pornography that is pretty funny

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-171528494 7204132090 [google.com]

What will our "Perversions for Profit" PSAs be? (1)

Kadin2048 (468275) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886907)

That video is priceless. Thanks.

It just makes me wonder what the producers of that film would have thought about the Internet ... if you think "news-stand perversions" are bad, just wait until you see Fleshbot.com.

Any time I watch something like that, and I'm filled with a certain smugness ("nice job, suckers...now you can get porn everywhere!"), I wonder what sort of stuff that's on TV or the Internet today, people will be watching and laughing at in 40 or 50 years. Will it be the MPAA's "Copying DVDs is Stealing" PSAs? Or the "When You Smoke Weed, You're Helping The Terrorists" ones? Obviously it's impossible to say, but it's an interesting question nonetheless.

Re:What will our "Perversions for Profit" PSAs be? (1)

rts008 (812749) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887147)

"When You Smoke Weed, You're Helping The Terrorists"

Already done. Try renting "Reefer Madness" if you want a good chuckle.

(http://www.reefer-madness-movie.com/) or this: (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0028346/), or here:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness_(1936 _film))

Funny stuff nowdays, but at the expense of our current "War on Drugs" and associated issues.

Re:Porn vs. Violence (1)

ffejie (779512) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887138)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-171528494 7204132090

I really recommend watching the above video. The parallels between the 60s PSA and today are absolutely striking. While today legislators will argue about how "the internet has changed the paradigm" and try to enforce blocking on the internet in libraries in and schools, the 60s PSA says that "never before in the history of man have the [pornographers] had access to Mass Transit, Rapid Printing Press, Mass Distribution." Very very intriguing. In 30 years is someone going to be going off on how holographic 3d smell-o-vision (?!) sensory porn has changed the paradigm again? If so, can I get some now? And, when (if) that stuff happens, does this post count as a patent? Or at least prior art?

Re:Porn vs. Violence (1)

thesandtiger (819476) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886895)

There's a difference between a violent video game and cigarettes/alcohol - tobacco and alcohol have been proven to have detrimental effects on a person's health, especially a growing person, while there is no such proven link between violent video games/movies/porn and poor behavior. Kids are also generally less capable than adults of making wise choices when it comes to that stuff, and are more susceptable to pressure in many cases - so keeping PROVEN harmful substances out of their hands makes sense.

As for the other materials:

Do I think children should be able to buy porn? Sure - why not? Kids are gonna get their hands on it anyway - whether from the net or other friends - and I think that it being freely available will make exploring sexuality less stimatizing. Keeping it locked away from curious eyes doesn't keep kids from finding it, doesn't keep them from having sex if they want, and seems to just be a pointless burden for retailers.

Violent movies and so on? Sure - again, why not? They're going to see them anyway. Parents CANNOT watch their kids 24/7 (and even if they could, that would be remarkably unhealthy). It's better that a kid have the kind of relationship with there parents where they can say "Hey, mom - I wanna see Hyper-violent Ninja Movie X" and the parent either goes with them, or is able to discuss it with them so they process it as needed.

Putting restrictions on things like this doesn't really help anyone, and seems to be a waste of resources.

Re:Porn vs. Violence (4, Insightful)

BorgCopyeditor (590345) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887205)

Do I think children should be able to buy porn? Sure - why not? Kids are gonna get their hands on it anyway - whether from the net or other friends - and I think that it being freely available will make exploring sexuality less stimatizing.

You seem to be assuming that porn teaches something about sex. I (sort of) agree, but what it's teaching is not very ... realistic, and what it's leaving out is important. If the goal is to make discovering sexuality less traumatizing, why not insist on good sex education? Keeping it locked away from curious eyes doesn't keep kids from finding it, doesn't keep them from having sex if they want, and seems to just be a pointless burden for retailers.

Sure, they'll almost certainly find it; but with good education (and maybe a more sexually healthy culture?), it would not be as compelling and I expect the demand might well fall. As for the last point, I could care less what is a burden for retailers who want to sell porn to minors. Seriously, have you been in some of these shops? I don't plan to have kids, but I wouldn't send them into one.

Re:Porn vs. Violence (1)

Mr2001 (90979) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887187)

I guess the question I have is... why should games NOT have such similar measures (I'm in favor of NO limitations to who can buy actually) while porn and movies do? And if you believe that games should be freely buyable, would you consider allowing porn and any rated movie to also be freely buyable? What about cigerettes and alcohol?

I do think games should be freely buyable - or at least, maintain the system of voluntary ratings that we have now. Movie ratings are also voluntary, by the way; there's no law in the US that says a theater can't let children into Terminator 3 or The Passion of the Christ.

Porn? Yes, I think the restrictions on selling porn should also be voluntary. Remember, pornography has never been shown to have a harmful effect on minors, even though people who are opposed love to call it "harmful" or "dangerous" or "inappropriate". The laws against it are based on nothing but gut feelings. Also, laws or no laws, horny teenagers will get their hands on porn.

Cigarettes and alcohol? Well, the fact that those substances are addictive complicates it a little, but I still have to say yes. The variety of drinking ages around the world shows that there is no One True Age when you're suddenly Ready To Drink, and the system we have today is ridiculous: kids are expected not to drink until they turn 21, when suddenly the floodgates open and they're free to buy whatever they want, even though they don't know a thing about alcohol's effects or their own tolerance (assuming they haven't been drinking illegally all that time). Wouldn't it be nice if they could learn to drink responsibly?

Re:Porn vs. Violence (4, Informative)

TheoMurpse (729043) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887206)

NC-17 movies exist, as do R movies (which require a parent).
I will dispute this, inasmuch as movie ratings are more contractual. The chain is basically:
The MPAA has de facto control [wikipedia.org] over most movie theatres in the US (Cinemark, etc.) through contracts (i.e. a movie theatre which shows first-run MPAA films may not show non-MPAA-certified films, or something to that effect). Thus, films must (if they want strong revenues) pretty much have to get MPAA certification (including receiving a rating) to appear in most movie theatres in the US. Additionally, movie theatres showing these films are contractually obligated, for the most part, to enforce the film ratings by MPAA requirements. There is no legality involved (pornography is a different story, of course). Thus, when you were carded by a theatre before seeing an R-rated film, it was purely based on contracts and societal pressures, not by any legal requirement to do so.
What about cigerettes and alcohol?
These have age requirements because it is almost incontrovertible that these substances have either a deleterious effect on one's health or influence minors negatively (and minors in particular have less maturity to deal with these effects, or make the decisions themselves).

I don't have a great argument about pornography restrictions aside from the fact that the US is a particularly prudish country in regards to sex and nudity.

god forbid (2, Funny)

nofadz (834141) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886651)

Bullies in schools? I've never heard of such a thing.

a true Rockstar game would involve... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886688)

fighting bullies with chainsaw, running over evil teachers with stolen vehicle, etc etc...

The graphics suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886717)

Is this 1999? Those graphics suck!

Re:The graphics suck (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886883)

I'll bite.

The PS2 was released in 2000. The graphics in the trailer may not be the best, but the level of detail is quite good, actually. Watch the trailer again and pay attention to the lip synching.

Re:The graphics suck (1)

fabs64 (657132) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887210)

ugh, just to counter, the PS2 is capable of MUCH better graphics than THAT. This is simply rockstar re-using that horrid gta3 engine again.

Well I heard... (5, Funny)

vloktboky (936167) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886718)

Word on the street says former President Theodore Roosevelt strongly recommends this game! I'm not at liberty to disclose my sources. Sorry!

Commas, much? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15886833)

Contrary to the rumours that have spread about the Rockstar game, Bully, and it's storyline, the game's trailer as released by IGN today spins in a completely different direction, anti-game critics will not be happy.

Ok, Shatner. I couldn't follow that sentence for the life of me!

Re:Commas, much? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15887029)

go back to elementary school. except for the last comma, that sentence is fine.

Lighten Up (3, Insightful)

MBC1977 (978793) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886839)

Come on stop taking everything that comes out so seriously. Games are for entertainment.
How many of us (at least I know I did) have that one individual who got on your nerves, lol.
Its a fun and harmless way to blow some steam, that's it. Don't read into it like it deserves
a philosopical, psychological, socialogical (or whatever) analysis. Its entertainment. Simple.

Regards,

MBC1977,
(US Marine, College Student, and Good Guy!)

Re:Lighten Up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15887291)

I guess you'd have to know what those words actually mean to know what these games do to kids' minds, idiot.

ATTN, Jack Thompson (5, Insightful)

DragonTHC (208439) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886878)

NOT ALL GAMES ARE FOR KIDS!

I agree with game ratings and enforcement of those ratings.

I don't think 15 year old kids should be playing bully.

but I'm 30 years old, and I want to play it.

Jocks! A real world game. (5, Funny)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886901)

In this game Jocks beat up on nerds and the nerds get sent to the principals office and branded trouble makers. The upside is if you play the game as a nerd you can graduate school and become a highly paid programmer where as the the best the jock can hope for is janitor at the local Dairy Queen.

Re:Jocks! A real world game. (1)

SinGunner (911891) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887107)

While it's somewhat true that small-town jocks rarely leave the town they are from, they often become quite successful in that town. I would pose that programming is a job where you are inevitably more trained than your superiors, yet make less money. Thereby, fuck this "nerd pride" bullshit we've been accumulating. It's just an opiate. There is no awesome programming gig at the end of the road. At the end of the road, your job is sent to India and you know a 5 year old program that nobody uses anymore.

I'd much rather be a jock who has confidence, drive, and a will to succeed, which is what it takes to become successful in life. Someday, we need an honest comparison of the two lifestyles to see where they lead. I'm willing to bet the whole "nerds win in the end" mantra is just there to keep people in line.

On the other hand, there are some of us who have some degree of savoir faire and are able to accomplish feats through subversive methods that would astound both the jocks and nerds. I hear we're rather hard to find though.

Re:Jocks! A real world game. (1)

Fnkmaster (89084) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887160)

I've heard that there are those among us who have moved beyond teenage-level stereotypes of "jocks" and "nerds" and have been more successful for it. :)

Re:Jocks! A real world game. (4, Funny)

Wordplay (54438) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887273)

Ah, yes. The mods.

Stupid (3, Insightful)

Znrch (966486) | more than 8 years ago | (#15886934)

Once again everyone gets all happy about a trailer featuring... *GASP* cutscenes. How about a video featuring actual gameplay for once? Cutscenes tell me absolutely nothing.

BTW, the humor was decidedly childish, which may be the point, but it seems to be a pattern oft repeated in most Rockstar games anyways.

Sounds more interesting than before. (1)

DarkNinja75 (990459) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887015)

With the current outlook on how the gameplay will be, I'm more interested now than I was when I heard you were the acting bully...which, was in fact, just today. They happened to having something on Attack of the Show about it. This sounds like a perfectly reasonable game to me, but considering that it is by Rockstar, I may end up being wrong. We'll have to wait for the game to be released before we can pass a final verdict. On Attack of the Show, they were questioning some guy (I can't recall his name) who was for banning the game. He had some weak arguements for his side. Also, when the issue of "the parents should regulate what their children play" came up, he said it "wasn't the issue". I don't see HOW it isn't the issue. The only conclusion I can draw for him keeping his position on the matter is that he'd prefer to do less parenting. If the game is banned (or any game for that matter), it makes his role of censoring what his children view that much easier. Why take responsibility when the government can do it for you?

Re:Sounds more interesting than before. (2, Interesting)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887088)

To be fair, from what I've heard at least, the game does sort of let you choose what kind of person to be............ either protecting the weaker kids by taking on the bullies, or choosing to be a bully yourself. There was a story in USA Today about this that seemed to hint at some of the mechanics of the game (i.e. if you beat up some nerds, you'll be seen positively by the bullies, but the nerds will gang up on you, and will use their nerd science on you).

So it sounds like one could play this game as a bullying jerk, but the game will apparently make you suffer the consequences if you do.

Non-Flash 8 site please (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15887033)

Hey, what? Everyone commenting on the trailer obviously isn't using the standard Flash player on Linux with Firefox. How do I watch this?

Bad parenting (1)

therpham (953844) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887061)

Well, that's why the kid's screwed up! He's "[l]eft to fend for himself after his mother abandons him at Bullworth to go on her fifth honeymoon"!

I hope this game directly takes on the entire issue that it raises, and that quote seems like a good hint that it could.

Truth (2, Informative)

treak007 (985345) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887150)

If you notice, that game is not about bullying anyone, its about standing up to bullies. Rockstar is known for making controversial games because they know people will buy them and Rockstar gets free advertisement (there's no such thing as bad press). Therefore, they name the game Bully and hope that people at first glance think that the game is about bullying people.

This looks good... (2, Funny)

Lord Kano (13027) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887281)

So good in fact that I can't wait to warez it.

LK

Bulli Herbig (1)

managementboy (223451) | more than 8 years ago | (#15887306)

Well did I get excited when I read the title! For you in the world, Bulli is also a very successful german Commedian (the slashdot croud should check his movie out "(T)Raumschiff Surprise - Periode 1", a StarTrec spoof).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Herbig [wikipedia.org]
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