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Charter Flight Websites / Services?

Cliff posted more than 7 years ago | from the alternative-travel-desperately-needed dept.

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X86Daddy asks: "TSA's latest announcement banning all fluids (toothpaste even) from carry-on luggage is the icing on a very sour cake. Many passengers are growing tired of the invasive security screenings, the increasing prices, lost and stolen luggage, and the decreasing quality of service with commercial flights in the United States. However, given the geographical size of this country and the lack of rail options, flight remains the only practical method of travel for most destinations. Can anyone suggest alternative flight services? Are there websites that connect Cessna or other small scale air charter services with interested passengers? I've found CharterX and CharterHub but they seem more geared toward executives looking for jets. Does anyone have experience traveling this way? Is the price point a lot higher, making this a dumb idea (just resign myself to buying toiletries at every destination and prepare for the mandatory anal probes in '07)?"

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1020 comments

Reactionary much? (0, Offtopic)

catbutt (469582) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885941)

Geez.

Re:Reactionary much? (2)

failure-man (870605) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885950)

Who, the G-men or the poster?

Re:Reactionary much? (2, Funny)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886032)

You never actually get to see the G-man for more than a few seconds except at the end of the game.

Which side are you on? (4, Insightful)

tentimestwenty (693290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885973)

I don't know which side you're on with the reactionary comment but to me this is a clear trend towards reducing personal freedoms through bureaucratic hoops. Personally, I don't want to fly as much as I used to because I don't want to wait in line for 2 hours or give them my fingerprints to get in the quick line. I want to bring my own freakin toothpaste when I travel. Freedom to move around the country is a pretty basic right which is being eroded by stealth.

Re:Which side are you on? (0, Troll)

sgt_doom (655561) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886050)

Right on target, good citizen. Predictably, after almost 6 years of Bush, al Qaeda is larger than ever (some say it has grown by over 1,000%), and Osama is living the high life, occasionally giving public testimonies on the Osama Broadcasting Network (OBN).

Anyone who thinks Bush's war on terror (more accurately described as war OF terror) is a success need only look at what happened over the past several days. Fortunately the Bushies were given a heads up, so they could tip off their cronies (overlords??) as to invest in all those security-related stocks.......

And that terrorist stunt in the making - weren't we already tipped off to that by the Phillipine intelligence some years back??? NOT TOO MENTION, that trick has been shown on spy shows dating back to the '60s. Aren't those clowns in DHS paid big bucks to predict this stuff? Certainly shouldn't come as any big surprise, then...

Re:Which side are you on? (3, Interesting)

Skater (41976) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886095)

Right now, even though gas prices are high, I'm loving my motorhome. If my upcoming vacation (the week after next) was based on air travel, I'd be pretty bummed right now, but with the motorhome, the only security check I have to worry about is to make sure the doors are locked when I stop for breaks. :) It's freedom!

Unfortunately, next week I have a business trip which will require air travel. I'm hoping the delays at security checkpoints reported today are resolved by Tuesday (yeah, I know, not much hope of that).

Re:Which side are you on? (1)

catbutt (469582) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886130)

Well, to clarify, I think its rather reactionary to want to spend ridiculous amounts of money so you can avoid having to buy toothpaste and shampoo at your destination.

I don't think its an overreaction for them to take extra precautions before we even know exactly how wide ranging the plot is.

Re:Which side are you on? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886143)

It sounds like you got lost on your way to the US and ended up in Nazi Germany...US airports don't take fingerprints, as you so blatantly lie about, nor do they ban you from packing toothpaste. Why exactly do you need carry-on toothpaste on a domestic flight again?

I'm not sure where you got this idea that you have a "right" to travel around the country on a privately-owned airplane carrying whatever you want, but its definitely in the Constitution. You see, there's a guy that owns the airplane you're flying on. You know, the guy who paid for it, with his own money? He gets to decide what you can and can't bring on his plane, since its his property. Think about that for a minute (not too hard though, I wouldn't want you to get a headache.)

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Or... (4, Insightful)

jfclavette (961511) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885949)

... you could just, you know, not put your toiletries in your carry-on and not buy them at each destinations. Am I the only one who doesn't typically have toothpaste in his carry-on ? The only case I could see is when you're gone for only two days and want to avoid waiting for the other luggage but even then...

Re:Or... (1)

Nivex (20616) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885957)

Seeing as "gone for only two days" covers all of the instances I would ever fly, I will not be flying ever again. It's sad too since my family is all 11 hours away by car.

Re:Or... (1)

sdriver (126467) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886068)

You will never fly again because you have to check luggage?

You'd rather drive 11 hours then wait 15mins to an hour to deal with checked luggage? You have to be retarded.

Don't be stupid.

Re:Or... (1)

jfclavette (961511) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886099)

Dude, I'm sure your family will let you borrow their toothpaste.

Re:Or... (1)

failure-man (870605) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885961)

If you're a backpacker having one, and only one item makes your life a lot easier. If you're willing to do laundry every few days it's really all you need anyway.

Personally, I trust niether the luggage processing systems or the throwers. I'd rather not give them the opportunity to fuck up and waste a day of my time.

Re:Or... (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15885982)

For short business trips, few days length, the idea is to *not* check
a bag at all, ie everything goes in the carry-on bag.

Re:Or... (1)

wbean (222522) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885983)

The trouble with putting them in your checked bags is that most people don't check luggage. Instead they come on board with a huge bag and a suit hanger plus a laptop. This makes boarding and getting off the plane far more unpleasant than it need be and saves them a few minutes at baggage claim. I for one wouldn't be sorry to see carry-on luggage other than a purse or small bag banned.

Re:Or... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15885996)

Since the morons who handle baggage at airports have a tendancy to loose it, I always pack "criticals" in a carry on. That includes my toothbrush and toothpaste. I try to avoid checking bags, when possible.

Re:Or... (1)

sbranden (471243) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886131)

Not any more. Toothpaste is way too dangerous now.

Re:Or... (1)

AuMatar (183847) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886120)

Yup. I never check luggage, I always fly carry on only. It saves a good hour on each end of the trip.

Re:Or... (2, Informative)

gonk (20202) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886149)

An hour on each of the trip? Please, get real. I fly often, and I always check my bags. I hate carrying them around the airport, and very rarely does it take me more than a few minutes to collect them.

robert

Re:Or... (1)

Walt Dismal (534799) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886168)

Can anyone suggest alternative flight services?

Harry Potter doesn't have to worry about all this. HE has a broom.

..and the lack of rail options... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15885951)

You can thank Congress for that.

Re:..and the lack of rail options... (3, Insightful)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886053)

True. I wish high speed rail would become a reality in the United States. The first step would be removing the broken-beyond-repair disaster known as Amtrak so that a competent agency can take their place. Currently, politics prevents passenger rail in the U.S. from being anything but a miserable failure.

Don't expect charter flights for long. (3, Insightful)

Jerk City Troll (661616) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885955)

If you've been paying attention the past few years, the FAA and the major airlines seem hellbent on removing general aviation from the US altogether (closing non-airline airports, insisting on implementing per request fees for ATC, trying to ground all aircraft built before the last few decades. And don't get me started on the stupidity of every major city wanting a Washington D.C. style Air Defense Identificaton Zone). I suspect having nothing flying anywhere near the ground except governemnt controled drones would suit them just fine.

Maybe we'll finally get trains (4, Insightful)

tentimestwenty (693290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886159)

I agree with you on the negative trend with air travel, but ultimately we have to remember that air travel is a very expensive, cumbersome and fragile way to travel. When you introduce terrorists trying to screw it up it just makes it tougher from a practical and economic stand point. To me, it is obvious that we have to be looking at alternative infrastructure in the way of trains, not just as a backup for terrorist disruptions but if oil prices keep rising. Over the last 100 years we have dismantled trains and poured money into highways and air and neither of these are as robust or cost effective, especially if mass transit is a priority. There's a reason why all other nations have kept or expanded their rail service: it's reliability and long term cost efficiency.

Somewhere somehow... (5, Funny)

clear_thought_05 (915350) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885956)

... I know that B.A. Baracus is happy.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Thank god... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15885959)

... I'm european :)

TROLL: GNAA Announces Launch Of GNAA Europe (-1, Offtopic)

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| ______________________________________._a,____ | Press contact:
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| __ad#7!!*P____a.d#0a____#!-_#0i___.#!__W#0#___ | gary_niger@gnaa.us [mailto]
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| _________#1__________?________________________ |
| _________j1___________________________________ | All other inquiries:
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| ______-"!^____________________________________ | GNAA World Headquarters
` _______________________________________________' 160-0023 Japan Tokyo-to Shinjuku-ku Nishi-Shinjuku 3-20-2

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Re:Thank god... (0, Offtopic)

ScrewMaster (602015) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886160)

"Don't worry, Dr. Jones ... YOU'RE NEXT!"

Goatse (-1, Offtopic)

peterfa (941523) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885960)

This won't be a problem for the goatse guy. Heck, it might make a good photoshoot.

Tired of the invasive security screenings ... (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15885970)

...the "not being blown to chunks at 30,000 feet"...

Inconceivable that you would rather "take your chances" than leave your toothpaste behind.

Re:Tired of the invasive security screenings ... (1)

Frogbert (589961) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886166)

Given the "Chances" are one in a hundred thousand (probably better) I'd certainly be willing to take those odds.

Ummmm (2, Funny)

guisar (69737) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885971)

Doesn't the Government work for us? (Rhetorical question). It was interesting to hear our Attorney General at the press conference- the ernest docent, trying to convince us they were doing their very best to keep us informed and that all of this was for our safety. It's ridiculous.

I wonder if who's going to test suckling womens brests?

ObHeinlein (2, Informative)

Amazing Quantum Man (458715) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886001)

In a mature society, "civil servant" is semantically equal to "civil master." --Lazarus Long

Wow. How rough you must have it. (-1, Flamebait)

sithkhan (536425) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885972)

I find the entire attitude of the poster's blurb a perfect summary of the prevailing attitude here at /. "I'm inconvenienced" "I have to buy toilettries everytime I take a trip" "Another anal probe" "My rights of Do-What-I-Please are being trampled on" Amazing that when something is done about a possible attack, people find a way to complain. Suck it up, or find another means of travel. Why do you need /. to ask this question? Can you not take any personal responsibility to determine the best course of action after analyzing the options? What next? "Dear /. - should I wear the black Hope 2006 t-shirt today or the Lara Croft: Revelations E3 limited collector's shirt? Take control of your life and your reactions to misfortunes or other occurences. Tocome on /. and complain with a thinly-veiled question that masks your discomfort becasue some people's lives may have been saved is sad and pathetic.
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Two insightful quotes (5, Insightful)

linguae (763922) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886012)

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." -- Benjamin Franklin

Or, even better for this topic:

Our history has shown us that insecurity threatens liberty. Yet, if our liberties are curtailed, we lose the values that we are struggling to defend." ~ The 9/11 Commission Report by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States

Complain to who? The Government? (1)

tentimestwenty (693290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886036)

Funny enough, I think Slashdot is one of the best places to complain. It's a huge audience of people who think about civil rights and liberties and are used to democratic freedom. Moreover they tend to be people who "do it themselves" (at least when it comes to technology). They might even be say "hey, this guy's got a point" and maybe enough Slashdotters would get together and make a web site or write letters to congressmen or protest somewhere.

You're insisting that everyone should be an individual and make choices themselves which will change things. In today's mass-culture, techno-capitalist society this has little or no effect. You have to TEAM UP!

Re:Complain to who? The Government? (1)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886073)

Most Americans support invasive security measures to protect themselves from terrorists. That is the facts. Any politician who is even rumored to be "soft on terror" will not stand a chance at reelection. This is why the anal-probe level of security will not be going away anytime soon.

Hey, don't blame me, I'm just the messenger.

Flight envelope coffin corner (3, Interesting)

Latent Heat (558884) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886052)

The coffin corner of the flight envelope is where you fly so high that V_DNE approaches V_stall, and well, you just fall out of the sky and crash and burn.

Forget about toothpaste. What about, like, packing a lunch -- bottled water, yogurt, some energy bars? Its not like you get anything to eat on the plane anymore, and if you load up on fluids so you don't dehydrate (an issue in the dry, thin cabin air), well, they don't let you go potty on the approach to Washington National.

So I guess the flight experience will be like the Ramadan fast -- no fluids, no food -- for X hours, only X may be unpredictable and open ended given flight delays. A multi-hour no-fluid no-food fast is doable for multi-hours, but we are talking about in an environment where you don't want to be dehydrated because 1) dry-thin air, 2) the cramped seats where you are vulnerable to deep-vein thrombosis, 3) you are packed in with strangers sharing their nasal viruses. So it will be like Ramadan combined with the Hadj.

So the coffin corner is you can't pack lunch, and they won't serve you lunch, so you can sit there and be hungry and thirsty.

Re:Wow. How rough you must have it. (1)

sjs132 (631745) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886081)

NOT FLAIMBAIT! Mod the parent up!

This is a legit point! Slashdot does seem to be the hangout spot for the paranoid. AND Often in the USA today, people shrug their responsiblities... They want the government to care for them from cradle to grave. When that care involves saving a few folks and causeing minor irritability to the rest of us, they complain. BUT, let the government do nothing, and they would have bitched all they way to some lawyer about how nobody in the FBI, etc did ANYTHING to stop it.

You CAN NOT have your cake and eat it too... Personally, my wife a I travel a few times a year and this restriction will NOT affect us in anyway except the wait behind the dipsh&ts that ignore the new reality or expect an exception to be made for their tiny bottles of shampoos.

Heck, the way the question is asked, it could be a terrorist looking for a new spot to jump a hop to a major airport and not have to deal with hard security...

Get over it & Grow up these ARE REAL THREATS! And the next one that gets missed and ignored will piss everone off that it was a conspiracy to LET it happen to further agendas. Catch 22...

Impressive FAA stupidity. (5, Interesting)

radiotyler (819474) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885976)

I was on a flight to Kuwait deploying with my unit. We were waiting to fly out of Ft. Campbell and these guys are running around telling us we have to pack our Gerbers, Folding knives, and lighters in our stow bags and that they cannot be on your person or in your carry on.

All of our guns though - no problem. We didn't even take out the bolts.

I understand that a military flight vs a civilian flight is totally different, but c'mon. You let me bring my GUN on the plane?

Re:Impressive FAA stupidity. (5, Insightful)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886008)

It makes about as much sense as that time when I saw a PILOT going through airport security shortly after 9/11 and the screener morons were taking his nail scissors. If a pilot wants the plane to go down, its going down.

Re:Impressive FAA stupidity. (1)

krunk4ever (856261) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886172)

I actually see a valid point in taking stuff away from the pilot. It's not the fact the pilot is going to do anything bad with it, but by being in the cabin, someone may somehow get access to it, which is what the FAA is trying to avoid (I presume). Maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

I also understand that the pilot has the cockpit that's locked, but imagine if you allow stewards and stewardess to also bring stuff like that onto a plane.

Re:Military Stupidity: It's not new (1)

JetScootr (319545) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886038)

I was in the USAF many moons ago, and after a long deployment in late winter in a very cold, icy, wet, miserable place, living in tents with kerosene stoves, wooden floors and sidewalks and nothing, nothing, nothing to do and nothing that was completely dry and unfrozen,
the fricken military customs agent made us stand (not sit-ground was wet) OUTSIDE at 3-8 AM (all 5 hours) while he (green looey) and two sgts went thru every damn duffel and ditty bag for the whole fricken' ground support squadron.
We've been out on bivouac you damn idiot, there wasn't any contraband out there for us to smuggle back to the states- not even poison ivy cuz it's TOO DAMN COLD!!!!!

Sorry. Been there, done that. I'm ok now.

Re:Military Stupidity: It's not new (1)

radiotyler (819474) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886086)

I have a father-in-law that's Ret. USAF and multiple family members that were in some branch of service. Holidays on leave or weekend trips seem to have at least one moment of all of us gathered around a table playing cards, drinking beer, and having a military stupidity one-up contest.

It is unfortunately very hard to win due to the many, many quality entrants.

Our government's response to the terrorism problem (0, Troll)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885980)

... is all wrong. There should be an ultimatum: if there is another terrorist attack or attacks causing major loss of life, any country found to be harboring and/or funding Islamic terrorists will be attacked. Not invaded. Attacked. Their cities will be summarily carpet-bombed. All major land lines of communication - roads and railroads into said country will be disrupted. Shipping into the country will be subject to unrestricted destruction by submarines. Flights will be shot down. We have a strong, technologically advanced military. It's time that we used it to put the fear of God into our enemies.

In order to be fair, this ultimatum should be only *after* we have stopped our meddling in the Middle East. All troops should first be unilaterally withdrawn and all aid to Israel should cease.

Disengagement combined with a harsh hand in case of further attacks is the only way that we can preserve our society and the sacred liberties upon which this country was founded.

-b.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (0, Flamebait)

failure-man (870605) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886002)

Yeah, because invading Afghanistan worked so well for getting rid of Al Queda . . . .

Does somebody give you an extra ration of crack every time you sucessfully articulate what they want you to believe?

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886028)

Yeah, because invading Afghanistan worked so well for getting rid of Al Queda . . . .

No one said anything about invasion. We're talking about revenge - hundredfold payback if Islamofascists choose to murder innocent Americans. Methinks you're the one smoking the rock.

-b.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (3, Insightful)

babbling (952366) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886020)

You said one thing right:
In order to be fair, this ultimatum should be only *after* we have stopped our meddling in the Middle East. All troops should first be unilaterally withdrawn and all aid to Israel should cease.

I think you'd find that if the US did that, all of the attacks would stop.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886057)

I think you'd find that if the US did that, all of the attacks would stop.

I'd certainly hope so - the idea is to stop the attacks, not to waste innocent lives on either side. However, if there is another attack after the disengagement, the countries responsible for harboring and/or supporting Islamic fascist organizations deserve to be sternly and severely spanked.

-b.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (2)

babbling (952366) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886092)

I can't agree with that because you'd probably end up killing hundreds of innocent people for every terrorist that you manage to kill. I think the worldwide opinion would drastically change if the US was attacked even after having pulled out of foreign countries, although we still couldn't be sure about whether any attack was a false flag attack [wikipedia.org] .

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886137)

although we still couldn't be sure about whether any attack was a false flag attack.

This is why we need good foreign intelligence. Human intelligence, since with encryption and steganography, SIGINT can do very little against a determined enemy. Of course, this will never happen with the current administration, since they seem to be best at blowing the cover of the CIA agents that should be working hard to gather information on our enemies.

-b.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886030)

There should be an ultimatum: if there is another terrorist attack or attacks causing major loss of life, any country found to be harboring and/or funding Islamic terrorists will be attacked.
Yes, and our terrorist is their freedom fighter/martyr.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1, Insightful)

Xiroth (917768) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886040)

So...in the case of the home-grown British rail bombers, who should they have attacked? Themselves?

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (4, Insightful)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886043)

...Because if there's one thing better than folks whose government dislikes us but whose population is ambivalent, it's a country with a desperate, starving population with nothing to lose and whose brothers, sisters, parents and babies we've killed.

Seriously, the only way to stop this stuff in the long term is cooperation and a sharing of cultures. The amount of energy at the disposal of each person on Earth is becoming more massive each year, and we're never going to catch everyone. We need to begin the process of stopping them from wanting to attack us. That means marginalizing the radical elements of both their culture and ours (people such as yourself), and eliminating those people's support among their peers (that's us, modding you down).

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886066)

Seriously, the only way to stop this stuff in the long term is cooperation and a sharing of cultures. The amount of energy at the disposal of each person on Earth is becoming more massive each year, and we're never going to catch everyone. We need to begin the process of stopping them from wanting to attack us. That means marginalizing the radical elements of both their culture and ours (people such as yourself), and eliminating those people's support among their peers (that's us, modding you down).

So, if a thug is aiming a gun at you and your family, and you have a bigger gun, do you hug him and "cooperate" with him, or do you shoot his face off?

-b.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

quanticle (843097) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886163)

You're bound to cooperate if you're both close enough to each other that it doesn't matter what the power of your weapon is. Example: if you have a pistol and I have a bomb and we're both 5 yards from one another. In a situation like that, any wrong move will mean the end of both parties (especially if I have a "fail deadly" switch on the bomb).

Besides, as others have pointed out, this still doesn't affect "homegrown" terrorism. Who should we have "attacked" after Oklahoma City? Who should the Brits "attack" for their rail bombings (all carried out by British citizens IIRC)?

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

myowntrueself (607117) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886156)

Seriously, the only way to stop this stuff in the long term is cooperation and a sharing of cultures.

Great idea, the only problem is that both sides (ie the Anglo-American Axis and the Pan-Islamic fundamentalists) want everyone else in the world to adopt their respective cultural values and to cooperate, unilateraly in a very one-sided, one-way, master-slave arrangement.

I remember as a kid growing up in the UK we had a joke that the Soviets are raised from childhood indoctrinated in the belief that the Americans have three nostrils and eat babies whereas the Ameridans were raised from childhood brainwashed into believing that the Soviets have three nostrils and eat babies.

Of course everyone in Europe knew as a scientifically proven *fact* that both Americans *AND* Soviets have three nostrils and feed primarily on babies.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (2, Insightful)

couchslug (175151) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886067)

"We have a strong, technologically advanced military. It's time that we used it to put the fear of God into our enemies. "
We HAD one, then came the post-Gulf War drawdown (woo hoo! we gonna git da Peace Dividend!) after which the Chuck Spinney-predicted Bow Wave ("tsunami" is more like it) coupled with Rumsfelds insistance on not using the 9/11 mandate to rebuild the armed forces left us strung out and overstretched.
The US military has exhausted the Reagan-era equipment we have relied on for the past two decades, and "transformation" ain't happening. We don't have the resources to "carpet bomb" much of anything. Most of SAC and TAC went to AMARC or the smelter.
Now we are shitcanning 40,000 airmen to pay for jets we cannot afford because leadership refuses to buy in quantities that allow economies of scale. Good luck if we actually have to fight someone that is both competent and has an air force...
Not that I'm bitter. :)

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886088)

Now we are shitcanning 40,000 airmen to pay for jets we cannot afford because leadership refuses to buy in quantities that allow economies of scale. Good luck if we actually have to fight someone that is both competent and has an air force... Not that I'm bitter. :)

The other problem is that the equipment that we're buying (like Stealth Bombers) is too expensive, complicated, and fragile. True, it's very difficult to shoot a stealth bomber down, but more damage can be inflicted by a flight of 30 B-52s flying at 50,000 feet, even if we do lose one or two. In war, we have to accept some loss of life - part of being a soldier is the willingness to lose your life for your country.

-b.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (3, Insightful)

weston (16146) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886072)

There should be an ultimatum: if there is another terrorist attack or attacks causing major loss of life, any country found to be harboring and/or funding Islamic terrorists will be attacked. Not invaded. Attacked. Their cities will be summarily carpet-bombed...

It's a reasonably good strategic response to a rational state-like entity whose strength is in their infrastructure, especially in a situation like, say, Afghanistan, where there's close cooperation between the state and the terroists. It loses a considerable amount of its strategic value against non-state actors whose life depends on in the appeal of their ideology, and where the state and the terrorists may have at best an uneasy state of coexistence.

In many cases, what we want from states which are in the uneasy-coexistence state (or better) is greater cooperation in pursuing and apprehending terrorists, and in suppressing radical Islamist elements. That greater cooperation has to come both from the authorities and population. Carpet-bombing a city is unlikely to produce the cooperation. Nor is it particularly improbable it could create sympathy for radical Islamist claims.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886176)

In many cases, what we want from states which are in the uneasy-coexistence state (or better) is greater cooperation in pursuing and apprehending terrorists, and in suppressing radical Islamist elements. That greater cooperation has to come both from the authorities and population.

A certain past president with the initials of T.R. once said, in response to a question about Central American policy: "Speak softly but carry a big stick."

That's what I'm advocating. Speaking softly in the sense of not meddling in Middle Eastern affairs and letting the Middle East deal with its problems on its own. Carrying a big stick in the sense that a major ass-kicking will be the response to continued violence against the US.

As far as the Israeli question: discontinue support for Israel, but give any and all Israelis that wish to immigrate to the US unconditional permission to do so. This will uphold our bargain to protect the Israeli people but will remove a major reason why the America is hated and constantly endangered.

We're faced with a difficult choice. Let's make the right one so that our way of life, our wonderful cities, and our freedom can be preserved.

-b.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (0, Flamebait)

sgt_doom (655561) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886082)

Geez!!! You're the guy all the neocons love --- you accept all their BS and then some. I bet you're just itching to have the draft brought back so more poor souls can die for Halliburton. You might consider learning a little about this history of this country - and to be an informed citizen start with reading: Nomi Prins - "Jacked" and "Other People's Money" --- Major General Smedley Butler - "War is a Racket" - Dave Sirota - "Hostile Takeover"

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (1)

b0s0z0ku (752509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886118)

Geez!!! You're the guy all the neocons love --- you accept all their BS and then some. I bet you're just itching to have the draft brought back so more poor souls can die for Halliburton.

Hell, no. I dislike the oil industry and friends even more than I do the radical Islamists. It gives money to the wrong people and rapes the environment. Personally, I think part of the disengagement that I talked about before would be to stop buying Middle Eastern oil as much as possible and invest massively in alternative energy sources (i.e., yes, nuclear power) in the US. Make the purchase of electric cars and plug-in hybrids 100% tax deductable. Electrify our railroads. Give awards for the design of energy-efficient buildings - those that use passive means to heat and cool themselves. Encourage businesses, via tax breaks, to locate in towns rather than on highway strips. We can wean ourselves from the Middle Eastern tit, for reasons of national security as well as for environmental reasons.

Cheers,
-b.

Re:Our government's response to the terrorism prob (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886104)

Or, in the words of Air Force General Curtis E. LeMay:
"Nuke 'em 'till they glow!"

I'm not really sure he actually said that.

How do we know...? (0)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886134)

I like the general theme of your idea, but it wouldn't work. The US government would continue doing what it's doing now: lying the the US populace in order to start wars so that they can keep the military/industrial complex chugging along, making money. There's -zero- reason to be in Iraq just like there was -zero- reason to be in most of the wars (conflicts) since WW2. The government just lies, covers up, and potentially creates their own "terrorist attack" (9/11/2001) in order to rally the sheeple behind them and keep re-electing them.
 
Watch "Why We Fight". It's an excellent film documenting the history of the US military/military industry since Eisenhower. It's in no way a documentary like Fahrenheit 9/11 or Loose Change or any of those. Just the facts about what happened, and when you are reminded of all of these facts in context, it all makes perfect sense.

Pilot yourself (5, Informative)

samkass (174571) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885981)

Getting your own pilot's license is a bit of work but easily do-able on your average geek's salary. Then go in on a Cessna with a few friends or join a flying rental club and you've got something that can do the shorter hops easily. It won't be cheaper, but it's not as insanely expensive as most think, and no one will search you or even ask you where you're going (unless you fly through class B or C airspace, and then only in general terms).

Alternately, in a couple years the Very Light Jet (VLJ) [wikipedia.org] market is supposed to take off and offer the kind of services you suggest on a level that an upper-middle-class American can afford, but not yet. Watch Eclipse [eclipseaviation.com] , Honda [honda.com] , and the others roll out their aircraft and look for the small carriers to use'em.

Had they succeeded? (2, Insightful)

Pros_n_Cons (535669) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885987)

Had they (terrorists/freedom fighters) succeeded would this article be here complaining about we cant bring on toothpaste, or would we be talking about the 10-20 planes and thousands of people who died today?

They won (was:Had they succeeded?) (2, Insightful)

Lead Butthead (321013) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886054)

I am sure they're all just laughing their heads off at this very moment.

Thousands of people DID die today! (4, Interesting)

babbling (952366) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886060)

Had they (terrorists/freedom fighters) succeeded would this article be here complaining about we cant bring on toothpaste, or would we be talking about the 10-20 planes and thousands of people who died today?

Thousands of people did die today... Due to car accidents, cancer, and poverty. If we're just trying to stop deaths, we should focus on making safer cars, researching cancer, and helping those less fortunate than ourselves.

I suspect, however, that all of this terrorism hype isn't about stopping deaths. We don't even know for sure that there was going to be a terrorist attack. The US and UK governments are far from being trustworthy. The US government has contemplated "simulated" terrorist attacks to change public opinion. [wikipedia.org]

Re:Had they succeeded? (1, Insightful)

Brett Buck (811747) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886074)

Given that it's slashdot, no. If that had happened, the board would be filled with posts about how Chimpy McBushitler failed to protect America and got those otherwise thoughtful and kind guys in al Queda and Hezbollah mad at us by invading the peaceful and happy shangri-la of Iraq. Where little kids flew kites in carefree safety and freedom.

Instead we get a board with posts about how terrible it is for people to have to take their shoes off and put toothpaste in their checked baggage, because Chimpy McBushitler... (fill in the rest with typical DU and KosKids tinfoil hat conspiracy theories).

        Brett

Re:Had they succeeded? (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886138)

Given that they managed to stop this attack without banning toothpaste on airplanes, I really don't see your point.

Re:Had they succeeded? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886175)

What are you, functionally retarded? They're banning toothpaste IN ORDER TO PREVENT THE ATTACK.

They caught SOME (important word there, SOME, as in "there are attackers remaining") of the attackers, and the security measures are to prevent the remaining attackers WHO WEREN'T CAUGHT from carrying out their planned attack.

So, yes - if they hadn't done this, lives would have been lost.

Stop being an ass.

Huh? (0)

TheFlyingGoat (161967) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885993)

Many passengers are growing tired of the invasive security screenings
Asking people to remove their shoes and preventing them from bringing liquids on board is that invasive? There are the rare extreme cases of people being unfairly searched, but that's a handful of people out of hundreds of thousands that fly each day.

the increasing prices
This made me laugh. All of the major carriers just significantly lowered their prices in response to United Airlines doing so.

lost and stolen luggage
Put an address tag on it and a solid lock. I know many people who travel and a few have had issues with their luggage, but if they had proper identifying info on it, they got it... just a few days late.

and the decreasing quality of service with commercial flights in the United States
Some of the carriers are actually improving their quality of service. Look at Midwest Express as an example... extra wide seats on every flight and you get 1 or 2 hot cookies. Used to be that you only got the cookie on flights out of Milwaukee, but now you get them on inbound flights too. I've flown other carriers and I've never had a problem getting a drink, pillow, snack, etc. What exactly are you referring to?

As for your main question, if you're complaining about costs for a commercial flight, you're out of your mind if you think you can afford even sharing the cost of a chartered plane. Remember that many of the major air carriers get government assistance because they can't turn a profit even with their "high prices". If you remove that subsidy, you'll be paying a lot more even if you can find enough people to fill a 747.

Forget the lock... (1)

maillemaker (924053) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886065)

>Put an address tag on it and a solid lock. I know many people who travel and a few have had issues with their luggage,
>but if they had proper identifying info on it, they got it... just a few days late.

TSA /will/ cut the locks off of any luggage they want to search.

Steve

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886090)

Many passengers are growing tired of the invasive security screenings
Asking people to remove their shoes and preventing them from bringing liquids on board is that invasive? There are the rare extreme cases of people being unfairly searched, but that's a handful of people out of hundreds of thousands that fly each day.

{okay so do you really want to deal with a mother with a newborn that can't bring a bottle (or two or three) on a multihour flight??}
Special meal request (infant-nonlactose)

lost and stolen luggage
Put an address tag on it and a solid lock. I know many people who travel and a few have had issues with their luggage, but if they had proper identifying info on it, they got it... just a few days late.
{ yes because the folks that took a boxcutter to the bags didn't find anything good (or if they did its gone)} (oh btw the TSA will cut any lock they see fit (and they have these things called bolt cutters)

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886101)

When I flew across the country last July, TSA and the airline ticket agent required me to remove all locks I had on my luggage before checking it. Further, getting selected for the intense search was really difficult because I was flying with two infants.

I wish that there were reasonable rail options in the USA.

A more reasonable solution (1)

JetScootr (319545) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886107)

Your dissimulations are laughably false - I suspect you of being a shill.
For example: "Put an address on it and a solid lock".
The purpose of luggage is NOT to get it back to the address you started from - it's to get the luggage to the place you're going at the same time you get there.

Here's a more reasonable, and in the long run, cheaper solution:
Just go ahead and put two US soldiers on every plane - one at the front, and one at the back. Then a plainsclothes Air Marshall. All armed. No arrests - just shoot anyone who gets violent or makes threats. If they survive the first round, shoot'em till dead. Even if they're drunk and it's air rage. Even if the threat isn't credible. Two or three like this, we'll have the safest planes in the sky. You won't even have to do more than what was done before 9/11 in the way of passenger screening.

Re:A more reasonable solution (1)

Reziac (43301) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886153)

Not only a good solution (it worked for Israel!), but also would put to real use any military personnel who are presently stuck doing make-work duty at some domestic base.

Re:Huh? (1)

kjones692 (805101) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886110)

"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote". Some of the things the submitter was talking about are obviously personal observations, but he was probably referring to stuff like decreasing legroom [usatoday.com] .

Apparently, the statistics for lost/stolen luggage is about 2% [airsafe.com] . Doesn't sound like much, but consider that this means that on a flight of a hundred people, two will probably have their luggage lost. Also, this means that you will likely have your luggage lost or stolen once every fifty times you fly... not an issue for me, but my dad travels frequently on business.

Looks like you're right about the prices being lower than in a while, though, according to this [californiaaviation.org] . I wouldn't know; I haven't flown in a while.

It's the security thing that's most worrisome to me, though. From what I heard in the other thread [slashdot.org] , people weren't allowed carry-ons, laptops or other electronics, even books. Considering other changes in aviation security in the past (metal detectors, shoes, explosive sniffers [sciencedaily.com] ) this may become the norm rather than a temporary measure. I don't know about everyone else here, but to me a six-hour flight (hell, even a two-hour flight) would be intolerable without some of those distractions. I'd rather take the train, but this obviously isn't an option for going to Europe.

Re:Huh? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886116)

Luggage tags are good, but locks are a no-no now in the US. Checked luggage has to be available for searches after you check it.

Re:Huh? (1)

porcupine8 (816071) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886123)

Look at Midwest Express as an example... extra wide seats on every flight and you get 1 or 2 hot cookies. Used to be that you only got the cookie on flights out of Milwaukee, but now you get them on inbound flights too.

They've definitely decreased their service since 9/11. I flew them almost exclusively in college (1997-2002) because they were the cheapest nonstop from Boston to Kansas City. Not just warm cookies on every flight - when they brought the meal (which every flight over about 2 hours had), it was nice food (I remember chicken with artichoke hearts once) with real silverware and glass salt and pepper shakers - PLUS free wine (for those old enough, which was not me). The last time I flew with them they had none of this, save the cookies. I think they got rid of the nice meals when they changed from Midwest Express to Midwest Airlines in about 2002.

Agreed (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886141)

The guy isn't asking a serious question, he's taking any opportunity possible to whine. A perfect example:

...just resign myself to buying toiletries at every destination...

This has zero basis in fact. You don't have to buy toiletries at every destination, it's perfectly acceptable to keep them in your luggage. What you cannot do, at least for the time being, only days after a terror alert, is carry your toiletries on the plane in your hand luggage. Hands up everybody who's ever felt it necessary to brush their teeth on the plane!?

Get your Pilot's License (3, Interesting)

CohibaVancouver (864662) | more than 7 years ago | (#15885995)

If you do enough flying to seriously consider a solution like this (a chartered Cessna) then go ahead and learn to fly. You can buy a safe, serviceable used plane for about what you'd pay for an average new loaded SUV (~$50,000). You can learn to fly it for $5K-$6K. Park it at your local general aviation field and just fly it where you want to go.

My brother-in-law and his family live up here in Vancouver. When his father-in-law comes up to visit from the Bay Area he just flies his own plane. No security, no lines, and he can even smoke a cigar.

Source:

eBay Motors> Other Vehicles & Trailers> Aircraft> Airplanes - Single-Engine

Re:Get your Pilot's License (1)

CiXeL (56313) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886128)

Yes! Why dont we all do that Richie Rich!

Give me... (1)

ThreeGigs (239452) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886000)

There is a difference between "Give me Liberty, or give me Death" and "Give me Liberty AND Death". As much as US soldiers lay their lives on the line to protect our freedoms, we may just have to put our toiletries in our checked luggage, and no longer will you be able to sneak in mixed drinks in soda bottles. Yes, I know, I too will miss the days of re-enacting that commercial where the woman washes her hair on the plane to her orgasmic sounding delight, but just like the soldiers, we civilians have to do our part, too. Personally, I think most people (at least in the US) won't mind a few additional restrictions to reduce the risk of terrorist actions in flight.

Let's get this straight. (3, Informative)

Dekortage (697532) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886019)

So the article says they will make an exception for "prescription medicine with a name that matches the passenger's ticket". Because we know that no terrorist would be able to forge those labels, right?

On the flip side, the U.S. Department of Transportation is completely ignoring the railway [narprail.org] as an answer to our nation's transportation problems.

Let's get this straight-Just say NO to trains. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886078)

"On the flip side, the U.S. Department of Transportation is completely ignoring the railway as an answer to our nation's transportation problems."

They're not ignoring it. The public doesn't want it! How many years before that fact sinks in.

Oh and the madrid bombings showed that trains aren't any safer (even less).

How about driving? (1)

Rotten168 (104565) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886025)

Just a suggestion. Or take the bus.

A plan! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886042)

Pack your toiletries in your checked bag. Better yet, stay home and whine.

Stop whining and be glad the plane won't blow up (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886049)

You don't own the damned airplane-- if you don't like it, you don't have to fly. Did you ever consider, you know, maybe putting your toothpaste in your checked baggage rather than carry-on? What do you need toothpaste on a flight for anyway? And what makes you so special that we need to protect your right to carry a bottle of toothpaste on a privately owned airplane at the risk of 100+ deaths in a bombing?

Very Light Jets -> Air Taxi (1)

BrewerDude (716509) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886051)

There's a new category of jet aircraft that is all the rage these days: Very Light Jets (VLJs). They are supposed to be cheaper to operate than the current fleet of business jets. AOPA [aopa.org] has a good write up [aopa.org] of the ones that are the buzz at Oshkosh this year.

The theory is that this new class of jet will be what is needed to enable relatively economical air taxi services that fly from point to point (and likely from smaller airports) rather than flowing your through the current hub-based carriers

This morning as I was reading the news about this, and this insightful blog post, I started wondering whether this sort of overreaction is just the thing to give the fledgling air taxi industry a kickstart. [typepad.com]

Re:Very Light Jets - Air Taxi (1)

Feyr (449684) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886135)

did you price a new VLJ? starts at 1.2$mil, nice for a company that needs a private jet, way too expensive for anyone "middle class"

More to the point... (2, Interesting)

MadDog Bob-2 (139526) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886056)

Who do we complain to about this? And how quickly will such a complaint turn into a spot on the no fly lists?

I mean, honestly, this is just insane.

I'm trying to put together a coherent thought or two about this, but I just can't wrap my brain around the scale of the disconnect between what they claim they're trying to achieve and the means they're employing. Either they're lying to us about their goals, or they have absolutely no sense of perspective, or they're viciously incompetent. Or some combination of the three. I just can't come up with any other explanations.

I've started tunneling everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15886063)

No pesky TSA screenings or customs, and you can even keep a little pot in your carry-ons. Or should I say drag-alongs.

This article is stupid (5, Insightful)

RzUpAnmsCwrds (262647) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886064)

Anyone who has been flying very often for very long knows:

- Flights have gotten dramatically cheaper in the past few years. With the discount carriers (Southwest) and competition from the big carriers, round-trips under $150 are not uncommon.
- Flying is easier than ever. Security has gotten more annoying, but everything else is better.
- Gone are the days when you had to go to the counter (or tip a skycap) to check in (even if you don't have checked baggage). - - Gone are the days when you had to wait for your tickets in the mail (or go to the airport or a travel agent).
- Gone are the days when you had to spend countless minutes (sometimes hours) in line or on the phone just to book a flight. Today, you can book online easily and get your boarding pass from an easy-check-in kiosk.
- There are more flights to more places from more places at more times. Non-stop is the norm if you are in a decently large city.

So, I guess the only real complaints are:
- Services have been reduced. No more free meals, for one - often no hot meals at all. But, hey, airplane food was never good, and at least you don't have to pay for headphones anymore. And, if it lowers my fares more, I'm all for cutting the frils.
- Security takes longer. It's always been a joke, it still is, and I suspect that it always will be. Guess what, though? It's standardized now, so you know what to expect, and the inspectors are paid better, so they usually aren't asleep on the job. In a well-managed airport (e.g. Denver), the lines are short or nonexistant during off hours, reasonable during normal times, and acceptable during peak hours.

So, air travel is available to more people than ever before, and it's easier than ever in most regards. I think that you can put your toothpaste in your checked luggage.

Re:This article is stupid (1)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886097)

Don't forget: More flights now are delayed than on-time if you're flying into O'Hare, Hartsfield, or other major hubs.

Get your own plane ;) not as insane as it sounds (1)

FooAtWFU (699187) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886136)

Actually, I can't actually say I have personal experience, but this weekend my aunt and uncle showed up with a brand-new (well, newly-purchased at least) Piper Cherokee Warrior (4-seat little tiny plane). If you're willing to go through all you need to get a pilot's license, it's only ~$37,000 or so - you can find cars for more than that, and they won't go as fast, and the planes hold value a lot better.

Fuel is ~$4 a gallon - no clue whatsoever on mileage. Seeing the place from the air is neat (and you can fly low-ish and see all the places, instead of getting stuffed waaay up over the clouds too soon. Sounds like a fun hobby! Of course, I'm just a little summer intern right now, but maybe later......

Standard TSA question (2, Funny)

eclectro (227083) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886161)


Are you glad to see me or is that a tube of toothpaste in your pocket that you're gonna use to blow the plane??

I guess what I never understood... (0, Flamebait)

Loco3KGT (141999) | more than 7 years ago | (#15886164)

is where air travel is protected in the Constituion. Maybe I'm the enemy but I never understood why it's an invasion of privacy to be searched before boarding a plane. I would rather be searched than have the government take my name and SSN when boarding a plane. Big deal, so they see me in my undies and know that my napsack has a questionable book by Anne Coultier (ok, it really doesn't, but I'm currently sitting on the tarmac in Huntsville because my Delta FLT1492 to ATL got rerouted and I heavily considered buying one over her books at Dulles, instead I bought Freakanomics).

Anyway, last I checked, air travel wasn't forced on me. I could have driven to ATL, in fact at this point it would have taken less time, but I voluntarily flew. So why should I presume to have too many rights? And why is getting searched for any immediate risks a bigger deal than the repeated ID checks and potential government tracking?

I'm sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, I'm about to board a vehicle that's going to fly at over 500mph at 35,000 feet. I'm voluntarily getting on it, and Delta, Southwest, the CIA, whoever, can do whatever the hell they want to ensure that said vehicle lands where it's supposed to land when it's supposed to land, barring weather.

Anyway, I've always been confused because I think a more effective security measure is a thorough searching without any ID checks are more appropriate. It doesn't matter who I am, it matters what I have with me.
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