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First Blu-ray Drives Won't play Blu-ray Movies

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the thanks-for-warning-us dept.

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aapold writes "Sony officially announced its BWU-100A product at its "Experience More 2006" event in Sydney yesterday, all the while acknowledging that there's significant room for improvement before the product is viable for integration into media centre PCs. Sony's product manager for data storage, told CNET.com.au that due to copy protection issues and lagging software development, the drive will only play user-recorded high-definition content from a digital camcorder, and not commercial movies released under the BD format." All this hullabaloo makes me want neither side to win. If only I didn't desperately crave HD content on my TV!

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329 comments

Genius! (5, Funny)

C0R1D4N (970153) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891285)

That's gonna take the market by storm for sure.

if Dysfunction is a function (-1, Offtopic)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891490)

then I must be some kind of
GENIUUUSSS!!!

(Sorry for those who haven't heard of that uber obscure group 'Pitch Shifter'.. it's the lyrics to one of my favorite songs for when I'm playing UT2004...)

Mod parent down... GENIIUUUSSSSS!!!! (0, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891543)

Wow... Mod parent down for the must useless and off topic comment ever.
Nobody cares how obscure your music is, or what you listen to while you play some game.

The music is quite relevant (0, Troll)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891559)

Since it describes the state of affairs of Sony's BD drive.

Not that it matters to Sony execs with mod points...

sony's new theme song? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891584)

Dear idiots, it's a song but it does well in describing sony's blu-ray DVD failures.

Could be worse. (2, Funny)

Mike the Mac Geek (182790) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891593)

You cut be cut, dried, and microwaved.

Fellow Pitchshifter fan here. Had to interject.

Nothing to see (4, Funny)

anjin-san 3 (983912) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891292)

"Nothing to see here"

Yeah, I think that sums up the latest blu-ray problem

if companies from the past behaved (5, Insightful)

yagu (721525) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891293)

If companies from the past behaved as companies today:

  • Transistor radio announced. Will not play radio transmissions other than those from owners' transmitters.
  • Color TV! All Shows reproduced in realistic black and white (those are colors, aren't they?)
  • 100,000 mile car tires! Guaranteed for 10,000 miles!
  • 10-speed bicycles! (speeds are produced by owner pedaling at various cadences)
  • Stereo Hi-Fi! Two channels of high-fidelity sound through one speaker!
  • Windows! (opaque)
  • Digital Cable! oh wait, never mind.

But hey, not all is lost, from the fine article:

Bautista is optimistic that both issues will be resolved "soon", and says that despite not being able to play commercial content, the drive is still useful as a "storage device"...

So the drive is "useful as a storage device". Cool! Now I can get rid of my 250GX2 SATA Raid and keep my data on something useful. Technology just doesn't get any better than this.

Note to providers of stuff: It doesn't matter why your machine can't do what it's even named after(!), it can't. Don't bring us your tired, your poor, ... the wretched refuse of your product lines until they do what they're supposed to do! What a Colossus boner.

Re:if companies from the past behaved (5, Insightful)

muyuubyou (621373) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891357)

Funny that you mention a couple of technologies that were pioneered by Sony back in the day.

Ibuka and Morita must be spinning in their graves. They could as well power the PS3 by installing dynamo generators in their graves.

How low has Sony fallen since they passed away?

Colossus boner? (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891470)

I guess that's the thing that Kitty Pryde must have enjoyed until they broke up because of that healer wench from the Beyonder's planet!!!

Re:if companies from the past behaved (3, Funny)

noidentity (188756) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891630)

10-speed bicycles! (speeds are produced by owner pedaling at various cadences)


Here's the 56K modem version:

* 10th speed not usable due to FCC momentum regulations

Re:if companies from the past behaved (1)

P2PDaemon (723609) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891641)

I'm glad you called it a "Colossus Boner" instead of a...

Wait a minute...

So much for Sony in the coming format war! (0, Redundant)

Mycroft_514 (701676) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891295)

I'll sit on the sidelines a while and wait, thank you.

Re:So much for Sony in the coming format war! (1)

shawn(at)fsu (447153) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891348)

Appearently your not alone. Infact the side lines will be pretty crowded according to this article here [theinquirer.net] . I'll keep an eye out for you on teh sidelines.

Re:So much for Sony in the coming format war! (1)

Mycroft_514 (701676) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891385)

I got into the VHS vs Beta war early on, and got lucky. I chose VHS almost at random. My whole family followed my lead, simply because I was first and I said, "hey get this and we are compatible". I really don't have enough info on this one, so I don't want to spend the money to go random on it.

But, hey I'll meet you on the sidelines. Better yet, I'll go diving, where I am still using film in my cameras to record things.

Re:So much for Sony in the coming format war! (5, Interesting)

Bonker (243350) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891367)

This is really typical of Sony. For the last 30 years Sony has iterated this process over and over again.

1. Develop really nice content format.
2. Promote the hell out of new content format.
3. Artificially CRIPPLE THE FUCK out of new content format.
4. Wonder why people aren't buying new content format.
5. Abandon new content format.

See also: BetaMax, MiniDisc, MemoryStick, UDF, etc...

I should say this is really typical of Sony USA. Things like MiniDisc were really popular in Japan, but the restrictions imposed on the format came from pressures from Sony's U.S. media divisions.

Sony execs and marketing people refuse to learn from their mistakes, so they keep repeating them. They've been doing it over and over again for literally decades now.

As a matter of fact, unless HD-DVD manages to be as easy to uncripple as DVDs (and it appears that it will be), it too will be stillborn.

You for got 4.5! (4, Funny)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891508)

4.5 Blame Pirates.

Re:You for got 4.5! (1)

Bonker (243350) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891572)

That's kinda given for Sony, so I didn't bother.

"Hmm... Earthquake today."

"ITS TEH PIRATS THEYS IN OUR BASE STEALIN OUR DVDS"

Re:You for got 4.5! (5, Interesting)

Keith Russell (4440) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891642)

The devil in the details is Sony's split personality:

  1. Consumer Electronics division develops really nice content format.
  2. CE division promotes the hell out of new content format.
  3. Big Media division catches wind of new content format, and demands DRM shackles.
  4. Accountants see how much more profit Big Media division brings in, and forces CE division to comply.
  5. New content format lands with a thud in the marketplace.
  6. One division or the other abandons new content format.

I say "one division or the other" because it varies. CE will hang on to formats that are useful outside of Big Media's influence. Beta lived on in professional circles, MiniDisc found new life in NetMD, and Memory Stick is still their preferred camera memory format. UMD looks like it's dead to both sides. (PSP : UMD movies :: chicken : egg) Looks like CE is already losing interest in Blu-Ray, with this non-Big-Media-compliant drive.

Re:So much for Sony in the coming format war! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891425)

I may be changing my tune in a couple of years, but for right now I've decided that the new formats aren't worth it. I already have way too many DVDs to think about replacing them with BlueRay discs. I've decided to get a nice video scaler [dvdo.com] (probably around the price of a BlueRay player) that will upconvert DVD to HD rather than buying into the HD media formats.

The difference just seems too small for the price...

Dupe!!! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891298)

No digg.

Whoops, wrong site!

Next media should be defined by the community. (2, Interesting)

Quebec (35169) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891302)

Would it be possible to the community to layout the specifications, fabrication methods of the next generation of media?

Re:Next media should be defined by the community. (5, Insightful)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891400)

yes, it's called matroska with h.264 video, aac audio, and srt subtitles ; )..

it's been the standard with anime groups for the past couple years.

Re:Next media should be defined by the community. (1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891626)

Which brings up a question: is there a program out there that can easily rip DVDs right to Matroska format, with subtitles intact? dvd::rip doesn't natively support it yet...

Re:Next media should be defined by the community. (2, Insightful)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891415)

Would it be possible to the community to layout the specifications, fabrication methods of the next generation of media?

Sure, once we know what the next generation of media will BE, we'll get back to you on that.

Fortunately, there's a format that will kill Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, and it's already here: DVD.

Re:Next media should be defined by the community. (2, Informative)

DeeDob (966086) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891497)

I think that HDDVDs specs were made the DVD consortium that tried to establish a standard, just like they did with the DVD.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Forum [wikipedia.org]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_DVD [wikipedia.org]

It's funny to note that the following companies founded the DVD consortium:
Hitachi, Ltd.
Matsushita Electric Industrial Co. Ltd.
Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
Pioneer Electronic Corporation
Royal Philips Electronics N.V.
Sony Corporation
Thomson
Time Warner Inc.
Toshiba Corporation
Victor Company of Japan, Ltd. (JVC)

Note the little "Sony".

Then Sony came in with BluRay and offered an alternative to the "standard" that was supposed to be HDDVD. Going against the wishes of the consortium they helped to create in the first place.

Re:Next media should be defined by the community. (1)

DeeDob (966086) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891514)

^^^ sorry. Forgot the point of my post :/

Was just that the DVD consortium might be the closest thing you can have about a "community" to decide the format.

Hi, my name is Lizzy Fair! (4, Funny)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891523)

Corporations should be the ones who decide media specifications and the role of consumers is to choose which corporate offering is best.

When corporations decide for consumers what to choose, that is capitalism, when consumers force corporations to make what consumers really want, that is called communism and America will not tolerate communism!!!

[libertarian parody off]

Re:Hi, my name is Lizzy Fair! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891589)

You Commie.

I'm sorry... (3, Funny)

doormat (63648) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891305)

Is today April 1? Did I miss a memo?

Is today April 1 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891583)

In order to cater for the worldwide demand that Microsoft Vista be delivered this year the International community, led by the United Nations, has agreed to Microsoft's request that each month this year be duplicated. This is retrospective.

A Microsoft spokesman siad "As the whole world economy is dependant on Microsoft Windows, this move is essential in order to remove the threat of the collapse of civilisation as we know it should Vista's release be delayed to the year 2007. This change, while giving a slight inconvenience to a few, will allow Microsoft to produce a superior product in the extra 14 months that this move allows."

A Microsoft patch is available to produce the correct calendar for 2006 to Windows XP users with the WGA from the Microsoft site by April(2) 15th.

While you may think that this is the eighth month, it has now been declared as the second fourth month, so it is indeed April, as was last month.

They encourage piracy.... (5, Funny)

krell (896769) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891307)

But won't the player play BD content that has been cracked and then burned onto a BluRay disc in the format that the player will accept?

Re:They encourage piracy.... (1)

brainnolo (688900) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891393)

Is sad that it probably would. Media and software companies are doing their best these days to encourage piracy.

Industrial sabutage (0, Flamebait)

edwardpickman (965122) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891577)

But won't the player play BD content that has been cracked and then burned onto a BluRay disc in the format that the player will accept?

No but for so bizarre reason it will play HD disks just fine.

DRM is good (2, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891311)

See this just goes to show that DRM isn't a bad thing.

mod parent up please (4, Insightful)

Travoltus (110240) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891620)

He meant that in this case, DRM has proven itself impractical and in fact harmful to a product, thus undermining its own credibility.

Sony and its massive 30 caliber shoot-itself-in-the-foot cannon is our friend in the war against DRM. They do more damage to DRM than any EFF lawsuit could ever hope to.

the demise of the disc (4, Insightful)

intrico (100334) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891334)

Issues like this are just going to increase the demand for downloadable movies, and hasten the demise of "Disc Media" as the primary means of movie watching.

Re: the demise of the disc (3, Interesting)

johnfink (810028) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891473)

Issues like this are just going to increase the demand for downloadable movies, and hasten the demise of "Disc Media" as the primary means of movie watching.

Except, even with my not-too-shabby-for-the-US 8mbit/sec cable connection, it'll take about a day to download a 35gig movie. That's assuming, of course, that I can get reasonably close to my own theoretical limit of 8meg down, and whichever (genius) company is sending me the file can push the data that quickly. I can't get that kind of sustained bandwidth from any company I've downloaded anything from, aside from various Linux distros via bittorent. With a very few downloaders, those numbers add up very quickly, and our measly upload rates (384k for me) do not make the bittorrent avenue feasible in my eyes.

I think my point is, before we start looking to get high-def movies via IP, we need to get some bigger trucks to move all these internets through the series of pipes.

Re: the demise of the disc (1)

slashjames (789070) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891518)

I actually think you're on to something. How long before we see movies on cartridges that contain flash drives? Think of a SNES-size cartridge that has a movie on it instead of a game. Make it a WORM drive (write once-read many) and you don't have a problem with the limited number of writes flash memory can take.

I think both will fail (1)

bfwebster (90513) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891335)

...because no one is going to be terribly eager to put up with this crap. Here are my own thoughts on the subject [and-still-i-persist.com] . ..bruce..

Re:I think both will fail (1)

JasonBee (622390) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891455)

What are those thoughts again?

I don't see anything else posted in your comment...

However... (4, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891344)

a future root kit developed by Sony is expected to fix this problem.

Re:However... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891638)

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha ... now *that* is FUNNY !!

Is it really worth it, anyway? (5, Insightful)

mark0 (750639) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891352)

I'm looking at a Superbit copy of 5th Element on my Oppo OPDV971H upconverted to 1080i and it looks great. I'm sure Blu-ray would look better, but would it really look so much better that I'd be ready to toss my current DVDs and player for that difference? Especially considering all of the baggage that comes with it?

I'll wait for the price to come way way down and all of the DRM to be cracked... probably when the next format is announced.

Re:Is it really worth it, anyway? (2, Interesting)

Tumbleweed (3706) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891428)

Have you tried upconverting to 720p, rather than 1080i, and if so, what did you think? I *cannot stand* interlaced displays, but that's just me. I pick out the dampening wires on aperture grille CRTs immediately, too, whilst most people don't seem to notice them at all, or aren't bothered by them.

Re:Is it really worth it, anyway? (1)

ksattic (803397) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891501)

720p looks worse to me than 1080i. 1080i just seems to give a cleaner, brighter image, with no perceivable flickering. I am using a Samsung DVD-HD935 upconverting player. I too notice the dampening wires from a distance on Sony monitors. ;o)

Re:Is it really worth it, anyway? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891597)

DVD is to high-definition what 64 kbps MP3 is to 128 kbps.

- Some people can hear the difference,
- some can't,
- some could but don't because they have crappy headphones,
- some can but don't care.

The same classification holds for high-definition video (replace "crappy headphones" with "crappy TV"). Which group are you in?

PS3? (4, Interesting)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891368)

FTA:
Bautista says that one of two reasons for this is the fact that commercial content is encrypted with High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP), which can only be decrypted using a HDCP-compliant graphics card that offers DVI or HDMI connections.

So is this a confession that the low-end PS3 won't be able to play commercial Blu Ray DVDs? Or does the low-end PS3 use an HDCP-compliant graphics card without offering DVI or HDMI connections?

Re:PS3? (1)

Rachel Lucid (964267) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891404)

If the PS3 won't play Blu-Ray, then it's useless as a Media console, hence it's ceding ground to the 360 that it really can't afford to cede.

I think it's actually trying to entice MORE users to the PS3 because Sony is trying to claim that by then the problems will be fixed.

Re:PS3? (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891451)

as if either can really be called a "media" anything.

the 360 has severe restrictions on the media you can store on it, it refuses to even take mp3's onto the hard drive without hacking.

neither of these even comes close to the now long-in-the-tooth xbox media center.

as far as format support and true media capacity goes, the 360 is a joke.

Re:PS3? (1)

drinkypoo (153816) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891479)

Looks like as long as you don't want HD, the original Xbox is still the best media player available. At least you can get progressive scan out of it, and you can play anything you like on it - if XBMC won't do the trick for some reason, there's always linux.

Re:PS3? (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891495)

xbmc does to an excellent job, but with the advent of h.264 AVC it's processor is no longer fully up to scratch.

then there is the whole hd thing.

the point is that these people are claiming a "media center" when all it really is is at best a "token effort"

Re:PS3? (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891498)

Is this true? Can someone point me to a review or critique of the 360 from a media center standpoint? I think I remember a few from when it launched, but has anything changed with software updates?

Re:PS3? (1)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891525)

it's all over forums like xbox scene, and i couldnt believe it when i read the thread on "how to trick your 360 into accepting mp3's".. I mean mp3 is such a standard that even car stereos play mp3 cds..

I learned about this stuff while I was looking over news regarding progress to a full modchip (for an upgraded XBMC with beefier processing power).

So far, only the illegitimate activity of pirating games has been cracked open, leaving the poor legitimate homebrew runners like me out to dry =(

Re:PS3? (1)

Saige (53303) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891606)

My 360 has replaced my CD changer completely. But I don't put the music on there, I have it on my computer, and use WMC to access it. It's a heck of a lot easier storing my music on my PC instead, as there are much better methods to manage it there.

Bittorrent has already won this war. (5, Insightful)

plasmacutter (901737) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891370)

All this hullabaloo makes me want neither side to win. If only I didn't desperately crave HD content on my TV!

go to torrentspy or any other large site and search "hr hdtv"..

blu-ray and hd-dvd are overhyped and already obsolete.

h.264 encoded matroska at 600 mb or so an hour can do the job of these overbloaded and DRM ridden things.

and what's with this.. they expect pc owners to accept the kind of draconian superuser control over their pcs which are specified in their AACS restrictions? Give me a break, it'll never happen.

Re:Bittorrent has already won this war. (1)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891619)

h.264 encoded matroska at 600 mb or so an hour can do the job of these overbloaded and DRM ridden things.

On this I disagree, because AFAIK both of the next-gen DVD formats support h.264 encoding. I think this first batch of movies uses MPEG-2, but when the movies start using h.264 they will definitely look better than 600 mb h.264 files. Looking forward to DVD-sized h.264 rips of bluray/hddvd movies so that I can go out and buy the Philips DVD player that supports h.264; this way I get the best of both worlds. :)

And it won't WHAT??? (0, Redundant)

himurabattousai (985656) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891372)

So, you're telling me that the biggest reason to buy the player--to watch the movies on discs that offer something supposedly better than the DVD experience--doesn't even apply??? Hold on one second...

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I couldn't make "stuff" up as unintentionally hilarious as this. Seriously....

HD is overrated (4, Insightful)

MaineCoon (12585) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891376)

At least for movies.

It looks nice, but unless I'm TRYING to look for the extra detail, I generally don't notice it.

I've watched a few high def movies; compared Lawrence of Arabia in HD format to SD format, and yes the detail is much crisper - that is, the leaves on the trees in the opening scene are discernable. I also watched Fifth Element in HD, but I've seen it several times before and the being HD didn't really look any different.

Re:HD is overrated (2, Interesting)

RingDev (879105) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891466)

I wonder how much of that has to deal with the filming though. I mean, you could take an old silver screen real and "re-master" it into a HD format, but it's still going to have the quality of a crappy old film. For the Fifth Element, did they actually remaster the move from 30mm film? Or did they just take the existing digital format, blow it up, and run some filters over it to make it look a little more crisp?

-Rick

Re:HD is overrated (2, Interesting)

MaineCoon (12585) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891499)

Lawerence of Arabia was actually shot in 70mm. It was fairly amazing quality. But I stil stand by my original statement that once you're really into the movie you don't really notice it that much, and I didn't "enjoy" the movie any more because of the quality of the picture, over standard definition. It was a very enjoyable movie anyways.

Fifth Element was Super 35mm. Don't know what they might have done otherwise.

Marketing 101 (1)

pianoben (993940) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891380)

Don't advertise a product that doesn't work as advertised! ...And Sony wonders why they've been doing so poorly lately...

Down with Optical Media (1)

TheRequiem13 (978749) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891383)

Seriously- it's past its prime.
We should just be using PCs with TV outputs. I use that at school, and it looks great. Mind you, it's S-Video to a non-HD TV, but I assume with would be equally pretty with DVI to HDTV.

Why are will still using 30 year old damage prone media?

I smell class action (2, Interesting)

ip_freely_2000 (577249) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891384)

You just know that Joe and Jane Consumer will walk into Best Buy and NOT buy something they think they are getting. You have to think that even companies like Best Buy are going to be pissed having to deal with upset customers and spending time restocking stuff.

But we have to remember this is Sony, so you can't expect something smart or fair for the consumer.

Re:I smell class action (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891445)

Yeah, when I went to buy my iPod Shuffle, they were all out, so I asked what else they had. The guy pointed me to some SanDisk models, which he said were pretty good. He also mentioned that they had some Sony models, and then pointed to the returns shelf where they had a pile of them. He said that most of the Sony products get returned, and that people generally hate them. Based on the fact that I was upgrading from NetMD, I knew what he was talking about. A really good product, bogged down by crappy software and DRM. I see blu-ray (and HD-DVD) ending up the same way.

Obligatory: "But, aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln... (3, Interesting)

dpbsmith (263124) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891386)

...how did you like the play?"

The manufacturers seems to be falling over themselves trying to bring flawed, faulty, and generally unfinished products to market... presumably oblivious to the possibility the first kid on the block to get one will tell all his friends about his experiences.

I do believe Blu-Ray and HDDVD are well on their way to becoming the quadraphonic sound of the new millennium.

Re:Obligatory: "But, aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln (1)

StressGuy (472374) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891420)

"The manufacturers seems to be falling over themselves trying to bring flawed, faulty, and generally unfinished products to market... presumably oblivious to the possibility the first kid on the block to get one will tell all his friends about his experiences."

I bet this is why Longhorn is taking so long.....

{...ducks....}

Re:Obligatory: "But, aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln (1)

grasshoppa (657393) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891526)

presumably oblivious to the possibility the first kid on the block to get one will tell all his friends about his experiences.

I predict that soon, because of these observations, consumers will have to file an NDA before purchasing one of these systems. They will be forbidden from taking pictures of these things, or speaking about them outside of their family ( don't want to be draconian now, do we? ).

Serious men in serious black suits will be checking up on you to make sure you don't tell your friends how crappy your new bluray/hddvd is.

Wow (1)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891392)

So it can't play high-def movies (except the ones I already own in another format that I port over) and it holds less (a lot less) per dollar than a hard drive. ...I think I'll just get a hard drive. Thanks for NOTHING Sony -- this is your format, yet due to "copy protection issues" it won't even play your movies. Garbage... I expected a lot better from a company that's trying to push this as a viable high definition media format.

Re:Wow (1)

real_b0fh (557599) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891482)

and it holds less (a lot less) per dollar than a hard drive.

what? a blu-ray disc (not player, the DISC) is more expensive-per-byte than a hard disk?

this cannot be right.

Re:Wow (4, Informative)

MrSquirrel (976630) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891535)

1 GB per dollar - Memorex Blu-Ray write-once disc: $25, 25 GB
http://focuscamera.com/sc/froogle-lead-1.asp?id=96 4669100&rf=froogle&dfdate=08_10_2006&sid=362233316 [focuscamera.com]

2.9 GB per dollar - Samsung Spinpoint: $55, 160 GB harddrive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82 E16822152020 [newegg.com]

And that is just the blu-ray disc, not the drive.

New Feature Set (1)

Phraghg (984220) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891396)

The funny thing will be if this "feature" makes it onto the Playstation 3.

Great, a $600 machine that's "not a games machine" but can't play movies. Just what I needed!

Not unheard of... (1)

cthellis (733202) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891410)

(didn't many initial DVD drives on the PC do this as well?) ...but still retarded in this day and age.

Messing up a huge business opportunity *again* (2, Insightful)

viking2000 (954894) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891416)

The movie and music industy are tiny in economic contribution compared to the hardware industry.

The total income if the whole world were to buy new HDTVs, HD Entertainment systems and players, as well as a buch of HD DVDs is an order of magnitude higher than what hollywood and RIAA stands to loose if you make it all easy and user friendly.

Instead they mess this huge opportunity up with copy protection BS.

I have no problem buying a few hundred HD DVDs for $20 each over a few years *even* if I can get a copy from a neighbour for free. The $20 gives me a nice full color case and DVD, and a nice looking collection.

Re:Messing up a huge business opportunity *again* (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891462)

It is too bad that the hardware companies dont just say "FUCK YOU" we will tell you what you are gonna implement or no one will make a player for you.

The content industries are insignificant compared to most industries. Why does anyone bother to listen to them.

They should come up with a new storage format and say "this is what you are gonna use, and how you are gonna use it"

It's all but official: Sony is backing HD-DVD (1)

exley (221867) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891423)

Seriously, with as piss-poor of a job as Sony has done on Blu-Ray, one might start thinking they want it to fail. As far as this particular drive goes I'm sure it will be a huge hit, as oh-so-many consumers are willing to drop a ton of jack so that they can have something that is "useful as a "storage device.""

In other news... (5, Funny)

brainnolo (688900) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891427)

rumors say that the first Blu-ray player won't even have a laser, because they want to introduce the technology gradually.

The wonders of lock-in development (1)

franksands (938435) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891432)

This is really fantastic:
commercial content is encrypted with High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP), which can only be decrypted using a HDCP-compliant graphics card that offers DVI or HDMI connections.
Today, the only HDCP-supporting BD playback application is the OEM version of Intervideo WinDVD BD that's bundled with Sony's VAIO VGN-AR18GP notebook
So if I bought a blu-ray film tomorrow, the only way to watch a movie I legally bought is either buy a new TV that supports HDCP, which obviously won't be cheap, or I will have to buy a new computer that actually can play the damned thing. And they still can't fathom why there are so much piracy. Why on earth would I buy something that I can only play in one specific device? Will I have to "activate" my movie if I buy a new player? This is the only reason to support DRM: to lock the customer in a specific hardware.

Remove copy protection and make more money overall (2, Interesting)

ksattic (803397) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891443)

Am I the only one who strongly believes that if they remove all content protection from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD, the drive and software manufacturers will stand to make more money, even after factoring in rampant piracy, than with the current mess they have? So what idiot decided to spend all this money developing content protection that restricts the format to virtual unusability, giving it a dreadful image in the process? Moreso, what idiot thought that this would be a good way to increase profits?

Ironic (2, Funny)

dasunst3r (947970) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891448)

They reveal this during the "Experience More 2006" event, and yet users are NOT going to experience more with this restriction. I wish I could tag this "DUMBA**" like they do on fark.com. The "IRONIC" tag might work too.

But then again, suppose users are going to "experience more" headaches and nazi-like DRM.

You think that's bad... (1)

TheOldSchooler (850678) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891453)

I heard the first few batches of PS3's, while not being able to handle games on DVD or Blu-Ray, will still make a heckuva martini.

Sheer moronitude (5, Funny)

Dachannien (617929) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891458)

Sony Electronics: Well, we're ready to sell the first Blu-Ray players, but there's this little unfinished DRM issue preventing us from getting started before HD-DVD makes any headway.
Sony Pictures Entertainment: Sorry, we need our DRM.
Sony Electronics: We could be selling these players and achieving market dominance, though.
Sony Pictures Entertainment: DRM.
Sony Electronics: You could also be selling tons of brand new Blu-Ray discs now.
Sony Pictures Entertainment: Hello? DRM?
Sony Electronics: Our players could be in homes across America and around the world in time for the winter holiday season this year, and you'd be selling high def movies like hotcakes.
Sony Pictures Entertainment: What part of "DRM" don't you understand?
Sony Electronics: Fine, DRM, whatever. I just hope we don't become laughing stocks when we go to Australia this summer.

Also (5, Funny)

DysenteryInTheRanks (902824) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891471)

"Sony also unveiled a 120-inch plasma screen television limited to black-and-white programming; a version of the PlayStation that only plays games toggled in on the front panel in assembler; and the 'BurnMan,' a silicon-over-plexiglass contraption that scans in and verifies $100 bills before slowly igniting them for your viewing pleasure, one at a time."

Oh sweet, sweet irony! (0)

1cebird (987209) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891480)

Ahhhhhh.

Firmware Upgradeable? (2, Interesting)

wwiiol_toofless (991717) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891488)

When the software dev un-lags, assuming the hardware is capable, couldn't they release a firmware patch to correct the injustice?

It reminds me of many MMOGs initial releases:

"You can buy Game-X now!, you just won't be able to login to the server and play for 2-3 weeks. l33t!"

Great Idea! (5, Funny)

the jerk store (960388) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891494)

...and says that despite not being able to play commercial content, the drive is still useful as a "storage device", .... The Sony BWU100A has a write speed of 2x and will be available this month for AU$1399.
I'm a little short on storage space in my house. I think I'll go buy a new Range Rover, put it on blocks on my driveway and fill it with junk from the attic.

Adios, HDTV (1)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891510)

"If only I didn't desperately crave HD content on my TV!"

This kind of crap is why I still don't own and HDTV, and doubt I ever will. Given all the fighting over media formats and DRM systems, I doubt that HDTV will make it as a standard. By the time the manufacturers and content creators get all this crap worked out, something new will have come along, the porn industry will be on board, and HDTV will go quietly into the night, with old sets serving as a reminder of why manufacturers need to stop bickering over control and just get the damned formats done up front.

Who are they marketing to? (1)

beoba (867477) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891512)

Who, exactly, would buy this? Is Sony *trying* to lose?

Oh, Lordy... (1)

PateraSilk (668445) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891516)

To think I was actually excited about blue-laser media a couple of years ago. Well, I'll see the first actual workable products around 2011.

HD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891521)

I don't care anymore abot HD. I am legally blinf and slowly loosing my vision. By the time they get something that works if ever, it wont matter to me. I have been waiting for pices to drop and for a 1080p 50" Plasma, SED etc. that I can afford for so long. I don't think it will happen for me. I just hope I can keep my job for long enough to retire.

the real hold up for the Sony drive is the built in root kit system.

what a dork! (1)

nxs212 (303580) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891522)

"If only I didn't desperately crave HD content on my TV!"
If you want HD content on your TV, get a DirectTV HD Tivo.
If you want to watch blu ray discs, buy a stand-alone drive for $1000 and watch those 3 or 5 blu movies.
If you want to watch HD movies on your tv/plasma/lcd/projector screen using your pc w/ blu ray drive as the source - don't!
For $1000 you can buy TWO terabytes of storage, dump it on your pc and watch HD content for the next 3 or 5 years without upgrading anything. bittorrent and newsgroups should be more than enough. If you are still on a dial-up...well, then you probably can't afford that blu ray to begin with nor the expensive blanks.

Take gun, point at foot, pull trigger...... (1)

8127972 (73495) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891527)

..... and you have yet another example of the brillant marketing geniuses of Sony at work.

ZthiXs FP for GNAA? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15891540)

Do I smell... (1)

glitch23 (557124) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891553)

class action lawsuit? What ever happened to "guarantee of merchantability" and "works as advertised"?

Like a reallllly stupid spider (1)

McGiraf (196030) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891568)

... they are caught in their own web. PATHETIC.

More Products (2, Insightful)

shoma-san (739914) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891578)

Does this remind anyone of other Sony products like lets say "Star Wars Galaxies" that didn't work quite as well as promised? Remember installing the software with glee and logging in for the first time? You bought the collectors edition and were wearing your way to cool exclusive sunglasses when the servers crashed? And then you didn't jump on your land speeder or climb into your Xwing fighter, did you? No, you tried to kill a butterfly with your stupid melee knife and got killed.

Well, you can't trick me again Sony. Fuck Sony and all your crapy products that aren't worth a damn because I'm not going to buy them!

In other news today, the author previewed Windows Vista that didn't work quite as well as promised... As he began to install the software with glee...

Re:More Products (1)

PateraSilk (668445) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891639)

And then you didn't jump on your land speeder or climb into your Xwing fighter, did you? No, you tried to kill a butterfly with your stupid melee knife and got killed.

Hahaha. My roommates did all those things and more. I remember watching them play once and being amazed at how boring it was. I've now seen WOW level-grinding and it still boggles my mind at how bad SWG was.

My favorite memory was coming up to one roommate playing Enemy Territory on one computer while another made bleeping noises as his SWG character sat and kinda twitched. He was running a macro to level and it was going to take a couple of hours.

Awesome (1)

joshier (957448) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891607)

I couldn't have asked for a better start.

Wait, what?.. It doesn't play blue-ray dvd's, that's fu**** sh**!

*cough* *cough* (5, Informative)

Cynonamous Anoward (994767) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891612)

a little tip - www.divx.com - DivX 6.1 Supports 720p. plans for 1080i and even 1080p in the works, all with advanced MPEG-4 encoding features, to preserve high quality at extremely low bitrates. DVD players should be out in time for Xmas, at price points only slightly above current SD DVD players. DivX 6 can squish a full length HD movie onto a single DVD, including multiple audio and subtitle tracks. screw new discs, new hardware, new DRM, and new high prices. kthnx.

Drives potentially OK, everything else NOT... (1)

posterlogo (943853) | more than 7 years ago | (#15891618)

FTA: "Bautista says that one of two reasons for this is the fact that commercial content is encrypted with High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP), which can only be decrypted using a HDCP-compliant graphics card that offers DVI or HDMI connections. Since there are currently no PCs for sale offering graphics chips that support HDCP, this isn't yet possible.

The second reason, according to Bautista, is that BD playback software that can decrypt HDCP isn't "released as a saleable item yet". Today, the only HDCP-supporting BD playback application is the OEM version of Intervideo WinDVD BD that's bundled with Sony's VAIO VGN-AR18GP notebook. The AR18GP also offers an HDCP-compliant HDMI connector, which makes it capable of playing commercial movies without issue."

This makes me think the drive may be OK in the future if (1) The PC has the appropriate HDCP compliance, and (2) The software to decrypt the HDCP becomes available. Apparently, the Sony laptop already has both these capabilities, so the title of this post "First Blu-ray Drives Won't Play Blu-ray Movies" is factually incorrect. It is not the first blu-ray drive, and the drive itself is not the issue.

That said, I'll get to my second point: FUCK SONY! Their rootkits, their proprietary bullshit formats, and now their heavily encumbered yet inferior HD format. FUCK THEM UP THEIR STUPID ASSES. Come on people, stop buying ANYTHING Sony and tell your friends.

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