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Google Upgrades Blogger

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the bout-time dept.

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thetan writes "Google has announced the first major upgrade to Blogger since taking over the creaking old platform. Still in beta, the new service offers a tie-in to your Google Account, dynamic pages, separate comment feeds, new layouts, an apparent merger with Google's Page Creator for WYSIWYG editing, integration of feeds, public/private access control and — of interest to bloghackerstag-based labels for categories. Take the tour."

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109 comments

I'll Stick to nano (0, Flamebait)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909781)

Sorry, WYSIWYG is not for me. I hate pretty things. I'll stick with good ol' nano as my website creating tool.

Re:I'll Stick to nano (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15909835)

Thank you for taking the time to submit your Slashblog, but we really don't care.

Even better than MySpace (4, Insightful)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909866)

Nano? I'll stick with notepad.


I am glad that Google has made this upgrade. Blogger has always had a pretty clean layout that doesn't get in the way of the content (are you listening MySpace?) and makes sites pretty easy to read. Ever since they announced Google Pages I wondered when they were going to integrate it into Blogger. I played with Pages and found that while it lacks power and advanced features, it just plain works. That is the most important thing. After all, most people above a certain coding ability will probably have their own sites and will not be using Blogger in the first place.


You know that Google has come up with something great when they announce that it has made it out of testing and into Beta stage.

Re:Even better than MySpace (2, Insightful)

mgblst (80109) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909876)

Wake me up when Google page creator lets you create directories. I am sure they have a great reason for not allowing people to do it now.

KISS (2, Insightful)

jetxee (940811) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910233)

Wake me up when Google page creator lets you create directories. I am sure they have a great reason for not allowing people to do it now.


Yes. This is the reason: Keep It Simple, Stupid.

Re:Even better than MySpace (1)

kkiller (945601) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910467)

Trackback would be nice, too...

Re:Even better than MySpace (4, Insightful)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910281)

Right. I wish I could have a web service that everyone fawned over, yet when it went down those same people would immediately understand with "It's okay, it's beta."

Call me back when it's been released. I've used Blogger for years and frankly I don't like being jerked around with features I didn't ask for at the cost of reliability. Remember when only beta testers got to use beta software, leaving the rest of us with a presumably stable release?

Re:Even better than MySpace (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15910369)

Dear generic-man,

Your concerns have been heard. Here is your refund.

Sincerely,

Google

Re:Even better than MySpace (2, Funny)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910458)

Thanks!

--- Original Message ---

Re:Even better than MySpace
(Score:1, Funny)
by Anonymous Coward on 08:17 AM August 15th, 2006 (#15910369)
Dear generic-man,

Your concerns have been heard. Here is your refund.

Sincerely,

Google

Re:Even better than MySpace (0, Flamebait)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911138)

Numbnuts,

Had you RTFA, you would know that no one is being forced to use these new features. In-fact, very few people are going to even be allowed to use them. It is invitation only, and you can reject an invitation. So, only beta testers will get to use this beta service.

Sincerely,

Someone who is actually capable of reading

Re:Even better than MySpace (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911222)

Oh ok sorry

Re:Even better than MySpace (1)

mpcooke3 (306161) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911156)

Basically "The Web" is in beta - better get used to it.

Re:Even better than MySpace (2, Funny)

Shaper_pmp (825142) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910410)

Notepad? Notepad?

You were lucky... When I were a lad we'd walk 30 miles in the snow to the office, uphill both ways. We'd spend all day hunched over with a length of wire and a rare-earth magnet, inducing currents in the wires to build up ASCII codes. When we'd finished we'd manually upload the files by telnetting to port 21, walk 30 miles 'ome again, oop'ill, in t' snow, eat a piece of dry bread for us tea, and me Dad would beat us t' sleep wi' a length of co-ax cabling...

Re:Even better than MySpace (2, Funny)

Columcille (88542) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910546)

It was even worse for me. I used ed.

Re:Even better than MySpace (1)

sperm (916223) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910600)

Okay. even worse edlin (unless that is what you meant). Still ships with Windows XP! Try it!

Re:Even better than MySpace (1)

scovetta (632629) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911687)

Whatever, dude -- I manipulated the bits on the hard disk with a little tiny magnet. Took forever to write out my term paper, and 'undo' was a bitch.

content? myspace? (1)

Imazalil (553163) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911350)

I must take issue with you picking on MySpace. MySpace does not have any content, so it is false to state that the visuals interfere with said content as it does not exist. It is merely a contest to see how many images/videos (of your 18 year old girl alter ego) you can randomly include in your page and how flashy you can make the whole thing seem.

Re:Even better than MySpace (1)

rapidweather (567364) | more than 7 years ago | (#15914825)

I have not used Notepad since I started using various linux distros to do work on my websites.
For a while, I used Gnotepad, then discovered SciTE, which I now include in Rapidweather Remaster of Knoppix Linux. [geocities.com] No problems whatsoever with SciTE. I include Opera 9.01, build 400, and it is configured to show page source in SciTE. Provides super-fast editing of pages.
Check the screenshots page in signature, below.

I do use Blogger, mine is here. [blogspot.com] Right off the bat I had problems with Blogger handling images, so I have to put them off-site if I want to show one. They do provide a reliable and reasonably easy-to-use service, however.

Re:I'll Stick to nano (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15909877)

You can allways stick to whatever you want, but why do you hate pretty things?

Re:I'll Stick to nano (4, Funny)

baadger (764884) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909879)

nano?

Give me a break, emacs has supported whatever it is this article is about for too long now.

Re:I'll Stick to nano (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909918)

yes, emacs is the ultimate tool with directory browsing, spell checking, development tools, plus tens of millions of modules to do whatever else. i concur. but i still use nano for quick and dirty task, it's my equivalent to the windows notepad

Re:I'll Stick to nano (2)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909988)

Meh, that's what Vi is for. ;)

Re:I'll Stick to nano (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15910081)

So you use Nano in an XTerm? Or do you just stick to Lynx and avoid all the "prettiness" of GUIs altogether? Wouldn't something like Kate or Gedit be ideal for free, advanced text editing (non-WYSIWYG)?

When I first owned a Win95 box, I preferred DOS edit to notepad. Then I discovered UltraEdit, and it was all over.

Re:I'll Stick to nano (1)

GregChant (305127) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910481)

yes, emacs is the ultimate tool with directory browsing, spell checking, development tools, plus tens of millions of modules to do whatever else. i concur. but i still use nano for quick and dirty task, it's my equivalent to the windows notepad

Yes, but can emacs tell you what it's like to kiss a girl?

Re:I'll Stick to nano (1)

jrumney (197329) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910838)

Yes, but can emacs tell you what it's like to kiss a girl?

I tried and it answered my question with another question, which is pretty much what girls are like isn't it? (so I hear).

M-x doctor

what is it like to kiss a girl?

Are you afraid of sex?

Re:I'll Stick to nano (1)

gameforge (965493) | more than 7 years ago | (#15912457)

Yes, but can emacs tell you what it's like to kiss a girl?
Only the international version, since English itself really doesn't have the capacity without being offensive.

Seriously.

I want Google to help rid us of FrontPage (1)

PIPBoy3000 (619296) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909962)

Personally I'd love to see something like Blogger for the enterprise. We're suffering under the yoke of Microsoft, initially with FrontPage (which worked, but was quirky), and now Sharepoint (which is crazy expensive and even more quirky).

The vast majority of customers just want to make simple web pages and upload some documents. They don't have need for fancy things (and if they do, we build them applications). WYSIWYG is a "must have" for the enterprise environment, and the Writely/GooglePages implementation seems pretty darn good. Unfortunately for me, Google seems focused on the Internet, which we're not going to do (mostly for security reasons).

Re:I want Google to help rid us of FrontPage (1)

Abcd1234 (188840) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910024)

Well, there is FCKeditor [fckeditor.net] . Tie that together with a decent wiki, and you have a pretty good CMS, IMHO. I know Oddmuse supports this kind of integration, and I'm sure other wiki's do, as well (I know MediaWiki [mediawiki.org] has got experimental integration [wikimedia.org] ).

Re:I'll Stick to nano (0, Offtopic)

yanos (633109) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910183)

You do know that you can edit the html behind every post you make, right?

When to use Tags (versus Categories) (5, Insightful)

davevt5 (30696) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909792)

I think the addition of labels is the most significant upgrade to Blogger. Now, if only I could tag my Slashdot Journal [imediaconnection.com] entries.

I do have a question. Many blogs support both Categories and Tags. I understand Google's desire to simplify things, so I think if I could have only one or the other, I'd choose tags. Now that Moveable Type 3.3 has come out and natively supports both tags and categories, I'm at a loss as to when to use which. Do I stick w/ my Categories and leave tagging for a tag cloud and for hooks for Technorati?

Re:When to use Tags (versus Categories) (1)

cerberusss (660701) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909992)

Do I stick w/ my Categories and leave tagging for a tag cloud and for hooks for Technorati?
When I read this, I thought to myself: "Ye gods, have we created a monster?"

Re:When to use Tags (versus Categories) (3, Insightful)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910143)

Tags are better to facilitate searching, categories are better to steer your regular readers. Chris Pirillo uses extensive tags in his blog [pirillo.com] while Poh Huai Bin uses categories in his [sixthseal.com] .

As regular readers of both I MUCH prefer categories. If I'm interested in what one of my blog heros has to say on a broad topic I have a lot more success and fun browsing through everything in a category than by trying to figure out some arbitrary keyword.

You do what you feel suits your blog content and organization best, but if it were me I'd set up categories. I might be old fashioned, though.

Re:When to use Tags (versus Categories) (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15910704)

Chris Pirillo uses extensive tags in his blog

Chris Pirillo is a wanker.

Re:When to use Tags (versus Categories) (3, Interesting)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911027)

As regular readers of both I MUCH prefer categories. If I'm interested in what one of my blog heros has to say on a broad topic I have a lot more success and fun browsing through everything in a category than by trying to figure out some arbitrary keyword.

Categories also allow your users to read 'virtual blogs'. On several blogs that I read regularly, I don't have the main page bookmarked - but rather one or more category pages. This allows me to read entries on say, geocaching, while avoiding entries on cats.

Re:When to use Tags (versus Categories) (1)

thetan (725014) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910206)

I don't think it has to be an either/or proposition. With tags, you can use your most-frequent ones as categories. You can also keep your specific words, shiboleths and "one-shot" tags in the mix, for Technorati and other tag-based searches.

That way, you get the best of both worlds [blogspot.com] . Of course, there are other views [csabaveres.net] .

Tags are good for finding related entries (1)

jetxee (940811) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910326)

IMHO, tags are good for finding relevant posts. If you read a post that mentions foo and find it interesting, you are likely to follow `foo' tag.

Yet, if I am interested in particular subject it might not be that easy to find it based on tags only. One would label the thing with `foo', another person would use `bar', or `ham', or even 'bacon'.

Tags are subjective and associative. This is their power and thier flaw.

Bloghackers? (4, Funny)

Zouden (232738) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909794)

"Bloghackers"
That is just so Web 2.0, isn't it?

Re:Bloghackers? (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909854)

When we get to web 10.0, will we call it Web X? Would that precipitate a lawsuit?

Re:Bloghackers? (2, Funny)

baadger (764884) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909896)

I think the Roman's have prior art on that one mate.

Re:Bloghackers? (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909922)

I was refering to www.webex.com, in case you got the wrong impression.

Re:Bloghackers? (1)

Alfred, Lord Tennyso (975342) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909855)

That would be blockhackrs.

Re:Bloghackers? (2, Informative)

thetan (725014) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910152)

The aforementioned "enthusiasts who extend Blogger in useful, novel and unexpected ways" are still digesting the implications of this change for their carefully-constructed, hand-wrought hacks. Especially those that supplement Blogger's lack of categories [netspace.net.au] and comment feeds [blogspot.com] .

A good jumping off point can be found at this post: Blogger Beta Explored [blogspot.com] .

Re:Bloghackers? (1)

Rocketship Underpant (804162) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910442)

"Bloghackers"
That is just so Web 2.0, isn't it?

Actually, I think it's still Web 2.0 beta. :)

"tie-in to your google account" (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15909838)

Not just a "tie-in", but a forced migration, similar to flickr moving to using yahoo accounts:

Blogger moves to Google Accounts, so your account will be more secure and you don't have to remember extra credentials.

Am I the only one really disliking this? I don't want to tie all the pieces of information about me together. I want to keep them separate, running on different domains, having nothing to do with each other! It's bad enough that Google can tie my searches to my email, but when it's able to tie it together with my cat pictures and what I had for dinner last night (okay, so not really), that's really several bridges too far.

Re:"tie-in to your google account" (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909873)

So keep them seperate. No one is forcing you to use the same ID for all the services, or even the same provider. There are plenty of free blog and e-mail services to use so that your Google searches don't get tied to any account. If you're that concerned about privacy, it's easy enough to avoid that particular feature of Google.

Re:"tie-in to your google account" (1)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910005)

For that matter, it's trivial to open multiple google accounts (just send youself a bunch of invites). You could open a different one for each service if you want.

Re:"tie-in to your google account" (5, Funny)

Gospodin (547743) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910123)

Not fair! I want to be able to keep all my data private and my accounts separate, but also get all the benefits of letting Google see all my data and keeping my accounts in one place. We can send a man to the moon but we can't do this?!

Re:"tie-in to your google account" (1)

PFI_Optix (936301) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910254)

We sent a man to the moon on 32 kB of RAM...maybe it's that we have too much now?

Re:"tie-in to your google account" (1)

valen (2689) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910847)


  I'm pretty sure he was on a rocket. I saw it on telly.

John

Re:"tie-in to your google account" (1)

DerekLyons (302214) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911886)

Not just a "tie-in", but a forced migration, similar to flickr moving to using yahoo accounts:
 
Blogger moves to Google Accounts, so your account will be more secure and you don't have to remember extra credentials.
Am I the only one really disliking this? I don't want to tie all the pieces of information about me together. I want to keep them separate, running on different domains, having nothing to do with each other!

What? You didn't see this coming? One of the earliest (and loudest) criticisms of Google as it started down this 'portal site-but-not-really' path as the lack of a single log in. Equally, other people pointed to the one-login system that Yahoo! uses as the reason they hadn't switched. Google heard - and obeyed.
 
Google's mission is to get as many eyes on their ads as possible - and one of the shortest paths to that goal is one-login. The easier it is to use their services (either as a consumer of, or generator of content), the more people that will do so. The more people that do so, the more eyes that follow - 4) profit!

Still in beta (1, Offtopic)

guy-in-corner (614138) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909865)

Still in beta

What does Google actually have (other than search) that isn't in beta? There comes a point when you just have to release something (as much as you can do in web apps). How long has Google Groups been in 'beta' now?

Re:Still in beta (1)

cmorgan47 (720310) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909961)

How long has Google [fill in the blank] been in 'beta' now?

only slightly longer than people have been asking this same question on /.
how long does it take a slashdot user to realize that google stuff will always be in beta?

Re:Still in beta (1)

b3d (525790) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909980)

Gmail is no longer in beta. Google Earth is not in beta. The linux version is beta, but not the windows version. I don't believe that Google Groups is in beta anymore. Google beta is just a disclaimer so that they can change it at will.

Re:Still in beta (1)

b3d (525790) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909994)

Nope, I was wrong. I replied too fast. Sure enough, mail and groups still have the beta tag. My bad.

Re:Still in beta (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15910126)

why do people care if google is in beta anyway? the one thing you need to care about is that it WORKS, what more do you want?

i dont care if their service always stays in beta as long as i get to experience their great products.

Re:Still in beta (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911281)

"What does Google actually have (other than search) that isn't in beta?"

Alerts, Desktop, Directory, Earth, Image Search, Maps, News, Toolbar (both a beta and non-beta version), Translate, Picasa, Blogger.

Does it work with Konqueror/Safari yet? (1)

10Ghz (453478) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909925)

See subject

See body (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15911148)

What a retarded way to ask a question!

Re:Does it work with Konqueror/Safari yet? (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911313)

It probably will once Safari and Konqueror actually have a Rich Text Editor. Until then, neither browser is really suitable for something like Blogger.

OpenID? (3, Insightful)

kid-noodle (669957) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909926)

But does it support OpenID? Can I maintain a cross blogsite friends list? Honest question actually - why don't LJ, Blogger et al. allow you to maintain a friends lists across sites, along with an integrated feed of their blogs? I could write a blog app for my site that generated a feed from my friends across sites, but its a bit useless unless you can run it both ways. I could use a blog client that crossposted to several sites - but that's a messy unintegrated solution that just clutters up the net with dupes.. Obviously sites aren't keen on effectively pimping out their competitors, but the arguments here are the same as those for open document formats and cross compatibility in software, unless I'm missing a trick (or a whole magic show)?

Re:OpenID? (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910319)

What you're asking for is an RSS reader. LiveJournal supports RSS as does Blogger. I use Safari to read all my friends' journals in one "friends page" regardless of whether they use LJ, Blogger, or their own blog site. There are a number of sites that offer RSS reading capabilities; even Google has one, albeit in an alpha stage [google.com] .

Re:OpenID? (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911329)

Google's Syndicator is a piece of junk. I highly recommend using Bloglines. I gave up actual software RSS readers once I discovered Bloglines.

Re:OpenID? (1)

kid-noodle (669957) | more than 7 years ago | (#15915170)

If I wanted an RSS reader, I'd use an RSS reader - if I all I was after was a collated friends page to go with my blog, I'd be right in there with a page that collated the various feeds (as it happens, not all of the blogs people use support RSS/Atom - Myspace, for example [Ew]). The two way interaction is the kicker - blogging is as much about social networking as it is .. er.. blogging, at this level anyway. I can effectively friend anybody I like, but this is almost meaningless if they can't do the same. Even then I probably can't comment on their blog without having an account with that particular blog provider. Regretably, this is something only the blog providers can change. Not only that, but it would almost certainly involve them working together. The chances of this are roughly the same of me shagging Linday Lohan in the next four minutes.

Re:OpenID? (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15915468)

Have you played with FOAF [wikipedia.org] or XFN [wikipedia.org] ? It lets you define who your friends are on your own web page using a syntax based on RDF (FOAF) or by using the rel attribute of the a tag (XFN). LiveJournal provides FOAF data based on your LJ friends; some readers like Safari can use this data to generate more links on a displayed feed.

Also, MySpace does support RSS for blogs: this blog [myspace.com] has an RSS feed [myspace.com] listed at the top of its page.

Re:OpenID? (1)

klausboop (322537) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910393)

>I could use a blog client that crossposted to several sites - but that's a messy unintegrated solution that just clutters up the net with dupes..

I think you're spot on in saying that, and the dupe aspect is probably very important, but I see what I guess I would call a a multi-presence problem. If you're using blogs to keep in touch with folks, and said folks are spread across a variety of services (myspace/lj/blogger/vox, etc.), it seems like there's two solutions. One is to cross-post all over the place. The other would be to pick a "main blog" (or maybe you've got a couple blogs with different focal points), and have your friends and family subscribe to it via aggregation if your main service is not their main service. I think that's a great idea, and that's how I read my friends' blogs and see family photos from photo-sharing sites and stuff.

The trouble comes when you want to respond to them. Then you've (usually) got to sign up for an account on their blog service so you can post a non-anonymous response. Of course you could drop them an e-mail, but comment discussion to a post is sometimes the best stuff. And now you have a presence on that blog service, even though you're not posting to it. So people discover you there and add you as a friend or a neighbor or what have you, but you're not posting there, you're posting on your main service.

Maybe that's not a big deal, but it seems like a problem to me. How do you you keep from having dupes all over the place yet get your thoughts/messages/interesting links/cat photos to all the people that want to see them, while giving them the chance to discuss them without having a dozen accounts (some like Vox that might not even be available to them at present!)

Re:OpenID? (1)

Peganthyrus (713645) | more than 7 years ago | (#15915784)

I have a couple of Blogger blogs in my LJ friends list, thanks to the magic of syndicated LJ accounts [livejournal.com] .

More and more blog packages that you run on your own servers have OpenID plugins, but as far as I know 6A's TypePad is the only hosted solution that has it built in. Funny, that.

Pretty good. I like it, anyway. (1)

Simon Simian (694897) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909941)

No raw HTML/CSS template editing yet, but apparently that's coming soon. The labels thing is a pretty good idea. I made a blog [blogspot.com] . It's awesome.

Re:Pretty good. I like it, anyway. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15910883)

man you are so hot!!!1

lable (1)

kurtis25 (909650) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909972)

How about we lable this about darn time. I like blogger... I use blogger... It's been one of the least trashy blog services by trashy I mean I don't want to post something remotely thoughtful at a .livejournal account. Blogspot is much nicer sounding.

not to sound ungrateful (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15909976)

But about fucking time.

Google vs. Microsoft (1)

ChowyChow (149961) | more than 7 years ago | (#15909986)

This is probably to go head to head with Windows Live Writer [live.com]

Re:Google vs. Microsoft (1)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910205)

I tried WLW yesterday and I really like it! For some reason the new Blogger features haven't carried over to my blog but I'll give it a whirl when it's time. Still, unless Blogger has improved their AWFUL spellchecker I'll be very happily using WLW for a long time to come.

Re:Google vs. Microsoft (1)

rm69990 (885744) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911342)

According to TFA Blogger Beta is invitation only at the moment.

Yes, but did they fix sftp yet? (1)

macemoneta (154740) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910040)

Blogger has had a long standing problem with ssh/sftp on non-standard ports. It didn't work, then they fixed it, then they broke it, then they fixed it, then they documented that it's not supported.

This leads me to believe that they aren't using a standard client, but rather wrote their own, with all that implies.

I had hoped that when Google acquired them, all that would be quickly resolved, but apparently not.

A serious question about Blogger and spam (1)

MikeRT (947531) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910065)

Blogger seems to be the source of a lot of the spam blogs that account for the stats like a new blog every half second on technorati. Does Google have any incentive to change this fact, since the bandwidth costs are minimal, it drives up their blogger stats and it brings more people into the Google ecosystem?

I want an updatel filters comments out (1)

Snarfangel (203258) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910091)

...that say "This is an interesting blog. By the way, you can get really cheap pool chemicals at spammer.gotohell.com."

Re:I want an updatel filters comments out (2, Informative)

ostermei (832410) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910998)

They already have that, to a certain extent. Just check enable "Show word verification for comments?" on the Comments setting page for your blog to put in a human test not unlike the one /. uses for posting comments.

I kept this off when I first put up my blog and got hit with a few spam comments before I figured out what was happening. Turned on the word verification and deleted the handful of spam comments, and haven't seen one since (or any comments for that matter... but I think that's a different problem ;)

Re:I want an update to filters comments out (1)

Snarfangel (203258) | more than 7 years ago | (#15913265)

Thanks! I didn't know that. Now it's set.

Of course, that will remove the few comments I get, but that's a small price to pay to prevent blog spam.

Now if only thier feeds weren't crippled (1)

thechrisproject (824579) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910131)

I read a few people's blogger/blogspot blogs (including John Kricfalusi [blogspot.com] of Ren & Stimpy fame, The Online Photographer [blogspot.com] and others), and there's something that really bugs me about their feeds: the images don't show up. In an effort to save bandwidth, Blogger has prevented all external linking, including from Bloglines. For a blog about photography or animation, this makes the feeds next to useless. The thing that gets me is that this is actually costing them more bandwidth, since I'm downloading the feed and then going to the page to see the images anyway. Blogger: if you're going to allow full-text feeds, allow images too. Picasa web galleries allow hot-linking, Google video allows embedding... but blogger won't allow images in feeds?

Re:Now if only thier feeds weren't crippled (1)

Paladin144 (676391) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910398)

...but blogger won't allow images in feeds?

What the hell are you talking about? Blogger allows images in its feeds just fine. Check out the atom.xml feed of one of your examples: http://johnkstuff.blogspot.com/atom.xml [blogspot.com] and you'll notice images. Lots of them. Not only that, I just subscribed to the feed in SharpReader and the images showed up just fine for me.

The problem is on your end. Get a decent feedreader and it should work for you.

Re:Now if only thier feeds weren't crippled (1)

nFriedly (628261) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911503)

I've noticed that with netvibes too. None of the images appear untill I actualy visit the blog. There may be something the feed reader can do to get around it, but it is deffinately bloggers fault. Every other feed with images shows up just fine in netvibes, and after my blogger images are cached from directly visiting the site, they show up as well.

Netvibes proxys the feeds through netvibes.com, but pulls the images directly from blogger. I'll bet a feed reader that directly grabs the feed from blogger gets on the ok list.

Re:Now if only thier feeds weren't crippled (1)

thechrisproject (824579) | more than 7 years ago | (#15911621)

I'm talking about the fact that blogger doesn't allow external linking of their images, even from feed reading sites like Bloglines.com. The atom.xml of my examples does have images in it, as you have pointed out. However, when using a browser based feedreader, like bloglines, the images will only show up if you already have visited the blog and have them cached. I can show you the headers if you really don't believe me, but I've written to Blogger and their reply was this: I understand that Blogger hosted images are not appearing on other webpages. This is happening because the images are hosted on our server, which does not allow external linking. Our servers are maintained this way in order to prevent bandwidth theft. We apologize for the inconvenience. Sincerely, Karl The Blogger Team

Re:Now if only thier feeds weren't crippled (1)

Paladin144 (676391) | more than 7 years ago | (#15914283)

Oh, okay, I gotcha. I host my blog on my own server, so I don't run into that limitation. I can see how it would be annoying if you're legitimately hosting images. On the other hand, I can see how they would be concerned about people stealing their images. I just had an image on my site externally linked by someone who posted the image on a discussion board. Then there's a bunch of hits on my server for that image from people who aren't even visiting my site. If the traffic penalty was larger I would've yanked the image. I can see how Blogger would get turned into a de facto image server if they didn't police this type of thing.

A good solution (if you can convince the bloggers you read to do it) would be to put the images on Flickr first and link to them that way. Services like Flickr are practically made for external linking (amongst many other things). I would hope that those images would show up in RSS feed readers.

That said, I think you would be able to see the images just fine if you weren't using Bloglines. There are a bunch of cool RSS readers out there -- software programs, I mean -- that should allow viewing of the images since they don't have to be first funneled through a separate website. I've used Bloglines and it's pretty slick, but you really can't beat a dedicated RSS reader like SharpReader or NetNewsWire unless you can't install software on your work machine.

A gaping hole in functionality... (1)

RareButSeriousSideEf (968810) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910145)

I've still not seen any blogging platform that overcomes my number one objection to using them: I haven't a damn thing to say.

Give me one that generates Markov-chain paragraphs based on Google Sets metacategories, and you'll have purchased my buy-in.

Re:A gaping hole in functionality... (1)

burndive (855848) | more than 7 years ago | (#15914763)

I've still not seen any blogging platform that overcomes my number one objection to using them: I haven't a damn thing to say.

There are sites out there that attempt to compensate for your lack of anything interesting to say with annoying flashy things and "friends."

Call me an old fart. (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910192)

But I'm thinking of starting up a blog called, "Get off my lawn!".

But seriously if you think that what I have to say is interesting you really need to go outside. /Anybody want to subscribe to my newsletter?
"Get off my lawn Digest."

Re:Call me an old fart. (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910364)

Seeing as though the #1 clip on YouTube [wired.com] is of a 79-year-old man who posts "just to bitch and grumble about life in general from the perspective of an old person who's been there and done that," you're on to something. Have some venture capital!

Re:Call me an old fart. (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910450)

Its a fluke, some moron made a ton of comments then spread the word saying, hey look how many comments there are on this video. Which in turn received more comments. Noone cares about the video its simply an issue of the fact that it keeps getting posted by people like you.
So stop it... And get off my lawn!

Re:Call me an old fart. (1)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910793)

Oh. That sucks. I haven't even seen it; I just bought into the media hype. I apologize.

Me and my good buddy Google (1)

otherone (985982) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910226)

"Hey Google!" I exclaim on my blog. "Hello user." "I heard you were working on Blogger." "Uhhh." "What was that? What are you planning to do with Blogger?" "Update." "Update?" "update Blogger, user." "Beta?" "Yes user! Wait, no." "Haha! I trust you Google" as I slap my TFT heartily on--what could be its--back. I always say a little dialouge never hurst in the morning. I heart Blogger, BTW [blogspot.com]

GOOGOMG!!!1 (1)

sumi-manga (948999) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910282)

I love Google and all, but there seems to be FAR too many Google logos on Slashdot.
I count three as of now, and suspect more to follow. However, I am liking the idea of Google Pages and Blogger merging...
finally :)

Beta again? (1)

Fanther (949376) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910400)

Here are the new features of Blogger Beta, a new blogging platform: [...]

You mean "Back to the Feature"?

Popular search engines faster [friskr.com]

Non-blogspot hosting? (1)

Mwongozi (176765) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910644)

A lot of these new features sound like they require server-side support. Do they still support publishing to servers other than BlogSpot? I don't use it and would prefer not to.

Re: WYSIWYG editing (1)

klenwell (960296) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910711)

The cool thing that always distinguished Blogger for me was the freedom they gave you to edit the underlying page code. Myspace gives you that freedom, too -- but have you ever seen the code? (I still don't understand how their web pages just don't crumble in a heap of broken tags.)

Blogger offers direct access to (near) standards-compliant XHTML code. I practically learned how to design websites tinkering with their templates. If you know HTML and CSS, it gives you everything you'd want with Google Pages.

I just hope they don't start limiting this as they expand the WYSIWYG bells and whistles.

Blogsome (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15910895)

I've used blogger for a while, but a far superior site is Blogsome.com. It lets you tweak everything about the blog, in additon to a GREAT comment filter (just add 'blacklist' words and the comment will never show up).

haburgate.blogsome.com, if you want to check out my blog and see an example of good template use. Plus...I'm a great writer ;-)

Finaly saving on Googleware cycles (1)

cpatil (955342) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910826)

No more waiting for the publishing indicator to creep its way up to 100%.
At last you decided to save on your CPU cycles and also have a faster means to index rather than crawling the static page.

tags for future and past posts? (2, Interesting)

amrust (686727) | more than 7 years ago | (#15910859)

tag-based labels for categories.

Anybody know if this will be implemented for future entries only, or if you can go back and tag your old posts?

It would be convenient if they added a way to search your blog for keywords, and tag all matching entries.

sftp fix? (1)

the big v (45514) | more than 7 years ago | (#15912124)

I just hope they'll get around to fixing their long-standing sftp publishing [google.com] problem....

JavaScript redirect (1)

John Bokma (834313) | more than 7 years ago | (#15912149)

And hopefully someone with a clue finally fixed the ability that users can redirect blogspot blogs to a spam site by inserting JavaScript (document.location) in their templates (see: http://johnbokma.com/mexit/2006/07/13/ [johnbokma.com] )

Cool (1)

PurifyYourMind (776223) | more than 7 years ago | (#15914851)

I use their blogspot.com for my web comic just becaues it's fast and easy, but it definitely lacked (until now maybe) some features that you'd expect. For example, if you want to use an image in your template, they recommend you post it and then reference the post. In other words, you don't have true web space you can upload to use freely, so it can be annoying to, for example, make header/footer graphics.
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