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Irish Company Claims Free Energy

samzenpus posted about 8 years ago | from the and-a-robot-in-every-house dept.

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raghus writes "An Irish company has thrown down the gauntlet to the worldwide scientific community to test a technology it has developed that it claims produces free energy. The company, Steorn, says its discovery is based on the interaction of magnetic fields and allows the production of clean, free and constant energy — a concept that challenges one of the basic rules of physics." I can't wait until I can use this free energy to power my flying car and heat my aquarium of mermaids.

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You can tell something about these people (5, Insightful)

ackthpt (218170) | about 8 years ago | (#15950452)

They talk in circles and can't provide any definite explanations as to how something like this would work.

About 7 years ago I worked with a fellow who absolutely was buying into some black box he would just plug things into and it would harvest energy from the earth's magnetic field. Sounds about the same thing. If there was enough density of magnetic fields to run a toaster, odds are you'd be suffering some serious and potentially fatal side effects.

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

Moving around in circles to gather energy, what a neat idea! Um, where do we get the energy to run around in circles? Sounds like that net forces thing, the sum of all forces acting upon my car at the moment are zero, but if I could just remove those coming from one direction, it should move in that direction, right? Hey, how about something that runs on gravity, since there's an unending supply of that, eh?

I'm also of the opinion if we started using something which was naturally in abundance, like earth's magnetic fields, it would cumulatively and ultimately affect something we'd regret later.

Re:You can tell something about these people (4, Insightful)

snowgirl (978879) | about 8 years ago | (#15950501)

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

I have to agree with you here. To me it just sounds like electromagnetic induction. Move a wire through a magnetic field, and boom! It makes electricity.

Re:You can tell something about these people (4, Insightful)

IAmTheDave (746256) | about 8 years ago | (#15950640)

Ya know, our (yours, mine, /. in general) skepticism is unquestionably well placed - free energy would collapse some economies, invigorate others, bring about new business opportunities, advance the living conditions of people stuck in third world countries - the actual ramifications are impossible to really get a grasp on.

My thoughts are twofold:

1) Man, if it's true, how awesome would that BE?! I'm the kind of person that - as skeptical as I am - always holds out hope for discoveries like this. There is more clean energy in this universe than we'll ever need - harvesting it is the difficulty. If someone discovered a way to do it - man alive that'd be sweet.

2) If it's true, someone will patent it and it won't be free - on the contrary, it will still somehow cost me as much as energy does now, as greed seems to outpace progress these days.

Since it's probably BS, I don't really have to worry about either one of those two thoughts, but seriously - #1 - how cool would that BE??

Re:You can tell something about these people (4, Insightful)

nizo (81281) | about 8 years ago | (#15950511)

From this article [pesn.com] :



In order for such a revolutionary technology to have the public support needed for it to become used widely, McCarthy says that confirmation from the academic community will be crucial. "That is our focus at this point," he said.

McCarthy declined to specify how many prototypes they have built, or how long they have run, how much power they produce, and other details of the design.

All of this documentation will be presented in full to the jury of twelve scientists that are soon to be selected to analyze the technology. As of the time of this writing, 1,300 people have expressed interest in serving on the jury of scientists; and 15,516 people have signed up to be notified of the results.

The selection of the jury will screen out anyone who has past involvement or other indications that might be construed as showing support of the technology in some form or other. "We want cynics," said McCarthy.

"We are not seeking validation from the court of public opinion. What we need is validation from the academic world," he said. Once that has been achieved, then the public can know.


It really sounds to me like they want outside verification, and are willing to pay for it themselves. Shouldn't we let that take place before we fry them in oil?

Re:You can tell something about these people (5, Insightful)

LurkerXXX (667952) | about 8 years ago | (#15950553)

No. It sounds like they are looking to do some advertising, so they can rope in some not-too-smart-but-greedy venture captial investors.

Re:You can tell something about these people (2, Funny)

nizo (81281) | about 8 years ago | (#15950594)

After further rummaging through their website, I think you are correct. Sadly I won't be able to use my flying car for free :-(

Re:You can tell something about these people (5, Funny)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 8 years ago | (#15950610)

"Don't worry, we're going to give the energy away for free but we'll make up for it in volume."

They would have to be even more "not-too-smart" then the average greedy venture capitalist investor.

Fry them now (5, Insightful)

spun (1352) | about 8 years ago | (#15950627)

Exactly. Make it look like they are actually serious. How much VC cash do you think they will rake in between now and the test? After the scientific community announces that this is bullshit, they will claim to need more money to "fix" the issues that the scientists raised. The VC fools, not wanting to admit to themselves that they have been swindled with one of the oldest cons in the book, will happily throw more money at them. They will continue with this cycle until enough people wise up and the lawsuits pour in, then they will disappear to the Cayman Islands.

No, we need to bitch-slap these peckerwoods now, before they fleece too many dumb but wealt- Wait, you know, I think their ideas just might work. Send cash just in case.

Re:You can tell something about these people (5, Funny)

uradu (10768) | about 8 years ago | (#15950528)

Ah, magnets...the never-ending source of fascination for crackpots in need of remedial highschool science. If you just arrange them in the right configuration that no-one before has tried, align them just right... After all, you can push pins and stuff around with a magnet THROUGH a table top, there has GOT to be magic in there.

Re:You can tell something about these people (5, Funny)

Profane MuthaFucka (574406) | about 8 years ago | (#15950615)

You say it's not magic, but it is magic. Ordinary devices like electronics have smoke in them. If you let the smoke out of a CPU, for example, it no longer works. In all of my experiments with magnets I have not been able to detect smoke of any kind! NO SMOKE! It's magic.

Re:You can tell something about these people (1)

Dial-Up (842218) | about 8 years ago | (#15950563)

"They talk in circles and can't provide any definite explanations as to how something like this would work." Would you respect this man as a business man if he were to tell the secret of his invention to the whole world in a Yahoo news story?

Re:You can tell something about these people (1)

Kelbear (870538) | about 8 years ago | (#15950573)

I've heard stories about made-up claims of free energy all the way back in middle school. Looks like they didn't pan out. I have little confidence in more of the same.

And yet, I'll bet a conspiracy theorist will come along and blame the failure of this magical technology on big oil hitmen.

This isn't really news until this theory is proven to be replicable and documentable by someone else.

Re:You can tell something about these people (5, Funny)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | about 8 years ago | (#15950628)

I've heard stories about made-up claims of free energy all the way back in middle school. Looks like they didn't pan out. I have little confidence in more of the same. And yet, I'll bet a conspiracy theorist will come along and blame the failure of this magical technology on big oil hitmen.

You take a sensible approach. After all, the odds that this is real are astronomically low. But if it actually is some new miracle technology, existing energy companies will certainly try to destroy it. So you are covered either way.

Re:You can tell something about these people (5, Informative)

_Sharp'r_ (649297) | about 8 years ago | (#15950583)

The process (assuming it work as described based on their publicised info) appears to have a simple energy source, magnetic fields.

Of course, any first year electronics or physics student should be able to tell you that when you pull/use energy from a magnetic field, it still comes from somewhere else rather than being created from nothingness.

In an electrical transformer, that source is the current passing through the wires and creating the magnetic field. In a rare earth magnet, the energy has been used to properly line up the atomic structure and gradually demagnitizes the source as it's used up. In the case of the very weak Earth's magnetic field, the main source is the Earth's rotation and the magnetic contents that are thus flowing/rotating inside. The Earth's magnetic field has decayed about 10-15% over the last 150 years, so I wouldn't count on that as a long-term source of free energy anyway.

Re:You can tell something about these people (2, Interesting)

nizo (81281) | about 8 years ago | (#15950658)

The Earth's magnetic field has decayed about 10-15% over the last 150 years.


Does anyone have a source for this besides Wikipedia? Wouldn't this be a serious problem when the weakened magnetic field stops shielding us from the solar winds??

Re:You can tell something about these people (4, Funny)

darkmeridian (119044) | about 8 years ago | (#15950585)

Technically, the company is correct. Generators produce electricity by moving metal through a magnetic field. The trick is making the metal move through the magnetic field.

Personally, I'm going to use my perpetual motion device to run my Pentium IV Extreme computer powered by Windows Vista while I play Duke Nukem Forever on the Phantom Labs produced graphics card.

Re:You can tell something about these people (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950586)

They talk in circles and can't provide any definite explanations as to how something like this would work.

Duh. If they explained how it worked, then anybody who wanted to could build one. How are they supposed to make money?

Hey, how about something that runs on gravity, since there's an unending supply of that, eh?

There's no reason they shouldn't be able to. My uncle powered his farm on wind. A lot of people use the sun. The only reason people don't use gravity, or the earth's magnetic field, is just because of fud from the energy industry. After we run out of oil, *then* suddenly gravity-power or wind-power will be a good idea.

It's people like you who have set back civilization by centuries.

Re:You can tell something about these people (1)

ArsonSmith (13997) | about 8 years ago | (#15950596)

"They talk in circles and can't provide any definite explanations as to how something like this would work."

The circular motion of their talking is what generates the energy. They claim they can talk for ever for free without actually doing anything.

They aren't looking for investors are they? I don't think I would want to invest in a product that they were giving away for free. Unless they were going to charge for support that is.

Re:You can tell something about these people (5, Funny)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | about 8 years ago | (#15950597)

"I'm also of the opinion if we started using something which was naturally in abundance, like earth's magnetic fields, it would cumulatively and ultimately affect something we'd regret later."

If we were to start tapping into the magnetic field at such a scale it would devastate the field of magnotherapy. When traditional medicine fails you, where will you turn if the magnetic fields were practically gone due excessive exploitation?

Heat Crisis (1)

CdBee (742846) | about 8 years ago | (#15950652)

Use of energy - however produced - usually creates residual heat due to the inefficiency of our machinery and circuitry. Free electricity could actually cause global warming this way...

first (1)

Findeton (818988) | about 8 years ago | (#15950458)

I bet it's a false claim

don't think so... (4, Informative)

professorhojo (686761) | about 8 years ago | (#15950460)

This is ridiculous that anybody is taking this seriously. Look at the team bios or company history - they provide no information that lets you actually look into the history of the company or any individual's work history. Every single person was "at an Irish technology company" or "at a big 4 accounting firm", but never enough to actually do a Google search on them.

However, they did leave some clues. If I look up the domain registration, the two addresses on the domain registration actually exist. One appears on a patent application from 6 years ago for credit card systems. The application was rejected for failing the "nonobvious" criteria and being too vague. This fits with their story of being a (apparently failed) technology company doing transactions.

(The other address, by the way, is now the Gay HIV clinic in Dublin - I suspect that the CEO just used to work out of there, and it is now used for another purpose).

So I'm with this either being a wacky publicity stunt. The names are too perfectly chosen so that nobody can actually research them, and the people look too much like actors...

Re:don't think so... (1)

LordKazan (558383) | about 8 years ago | (#15950559)

10,000 Simoleons (as in sim city) say it's a viral

Re:don't think so... (1)

Monkelectric (546685) | about 8 years ago | (#15950581)

I have no doubt these guys are full of crap. However, I dont think that the idea of "free" energy is that absurd. The energy stored in matter is incredible. We just don't have a good way to get it out.

It might turn out the joke is on us, and there is no efficent technique. I also would not be surprised, because the universe is vast and because we still haven't unlocked its secrets ... that there may in fact be a way.

Doubt these guys have found it though :)

Re:don't think so... (5, Insightful)

Mr. Underbridge (666784) | about 8 years ago | (#15950587)

Seriously, could someone explain to me the slashdot editors' obsession with junk science, specifically perpetual motion and free energy machines, and the like? This is not news. This is not for nerds, except to laugh at. This certainly doesn't matter, since variations on this crap have come around every few months for millennia.

This is for idiots.

Re:don't think so... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950665)

Because dipshits like us read the stories and post angry comments.

How long before Exxon Mobil... (2, Funny)

sugapablo (600023) | about 8 years ago | (#15950464)

...puts out a bounty on these guys? ;)

Re:How long before Exxon Mobil... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950508)

Let's start a pool.

I got dibs on "forever."

Re:How long before Exxon Mobil... (1)

'nother poster (700681) | about 8 years ago | (#15950565)

I've got tomorrow. Exxon has to do something to get people to invest their money in this crackpot shit rather than in real research that would cut down on crude oil usage.

Re:How long before Exxon Mobil... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950564)

I think these guys [blacklightpower.com] are probably going to be even more pissed at being outdone in the crackpottery stakes.

Something Very Fishy & Patent Info (5, Informative)

eldavojohn (898314) | about 8 years ago | (#15950465)

I read about this many days ago and tried to register on their site as an academic tester. I never received log in information so I could not partake in reading their white papers. They had posted the challenge in the Economist and on their website, they claim three accomplishments which define their "free energy":
  1. The technology has a coefficient of performance greater than 100%.
  2. The operation of the technology (i.e. the creation of energy) is not derived from the degradation of its component parts.
  3. There is no identifiable environmental source of the energy (as might be witnessed by a cooling of ambient air temperature).
I hope the coefficient is greater than 0.0001% over 100%. Although all their technology page says is that this alleged free energy solution has to do with magnets. Not much else.

Furthermore, they claim they approached universities and educational institutions about validating their findings and recieved little or no support from them. Why wouldn't a university be eager to attach their name to it? Is it because of the patent?

If you're interested in reading their patent, here is the application [freeenergynews.com] (pdf warning). If you just want to get the gist of it, visit the Pure Energy Systems Wiki [peswiki.com] complete with diagram. It looks like a way to block and unblock a strip holding magnets, thus creating magnetic flux around a piece of metal (driving the current I believe).

Re:Something Very Fishy & Patent Info (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950505)

maybe they're rubbing Lucky Charms and Genies together?

David Syes, posting anon-y-mouse-ly

Re:Something Very Fishy & Patent Info (1)

g0at (135364) | about 8 years ago | (#15950538)

Although all their technology page says is that this alleged free energy solution has to do with magnets. Not much else.

Maybe the manufacture of this "company" is part of a subversive publicity campaign for the upcoming season of Lost...

-b

Re:Something Very Fishy & Patent Info (1)

chill (34294) | about 8 years ago | (#15950577)

I read another article about this group the other day that said they have over 400 applications from European scientists who want to investigate their claims.

I'm betting they get an overwhelming number of them to say "this is total B.S." and one or two who say "wow!". The company will then claim "Big Oil" and "Big Government" are suppressing their research, etc.

Why is it all the perpetual energy nuts always start with magnets?

Coefficiency (3, Funny)

Khyber (864651) | about 8 years ago | (#15950589)

Most car AC units have an energy coefficiency of somewhere around 400% - for every one watt of power used four watts of heat are removed. So having greater than 100% isn't impossible.

Actually, my physics teacher demonstrated hos to get energy out of magnets. We took a low-power LED bulb, two magnets, and a stabilizing platform to hold the magnets. We set the magnet's south poles facing each other, and wrapped the whole thing in ultra-thin cooper bell wire, which was atached to the LED and a diode. By simply pushing the magnets together the LED bulb would every now and then try to light up, it would flash but we could never keep the light on.

Don't discount it. Remember it onyl takes a tiny weak spark to get massive amounts of power out of gasoline. It just depends on what form that 'spark' comes in, and what form of 'gasoline' you're using.

Re:Coefficiency (1)

Xerxes1729 (770990) | about 8 years ago | (#15950668)

Of course you can get energy (in the form of an electric current) with magnets and wire. It's how generators work. Faraday figured it out over 180 years ago. The trick is that the wire and the magnetic field have to be moving relative to each other. That's where the energy for the current comes from - the motion of the wire.

As to gasoline, energy is released because the heat of formation of the products (carbon dioxide and water, mostly) is less than the heat of formation of the reactants (hydrocarbons and oxygen). No energy is created.

Re:Something Very Fishy & Patent Info (1)

MarkCollette (459340) | about 8 years ago | (#15950602)

Umm, why would there being "no identifiable environmental source of the energy" be a requirement for it to be "free"? I'd be pretty happy calling wind farms, solar panels, and hydro power "free", as long as the net energy produced is greater than the input cost to create the machines. As in, free, once having paid off the ammortised construction costs.

Re:Something Very Fishy & Patent Info (3, Interesting)

jonnyelectronic (938904) | about 8 years ago | (#15950673)

From a quick shifty of that patent, it looks like it's based around the "If I just block the magnets, I create energy!". Just like the idea that one of the guys in my secondary school got excited about when he's invented a perpetual motion machine. If they are so confident, and having been spending the last 3 years on this project, why haven't they built a big one that outputs a reasonable amount of power, and powered something of a reasonable size. I expect they have been "tweaking" the design, and it's "just under the 100% mark", they just need to deal with some "inefficent" parts of the system. Or maybe they've invented unlimited free power.

I'm not convinced. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950466)

Perhaps I can use this "free energy" to power my PlayStation 3.

I'm not buying a PlayStation 3, you see. I will only buy a Nintendo Wii.

Not really. (1)

AltGrendel (175092) | about 8 years ago | (#15950540)

But you could use it to run your Infinium Phantom Console.

Engineers' names? (0, Redundant)

nightsweat (604367) | about 8 years ago | (#15950469)

Were the engineers' names Pat and Mike?

Big deal... (5, Funny)

rthille (8526) | about 8 years ago | (#15950472)


Years ago, I harnessed the energy from the monkeys flying out of my ass, and I haven't paid an electric bill since...

Moving in circles? (1)

savi (142689) | about 8 years ago | (#15950476)

All you have to do is chain donkeys to a big magnetic wheel and have them walk in circles, thus turning a magnetic gear.

Free Energy From Going in Circles!

Speaking of which, shouldn't we harnass this to Congress?

Crackpots and Opportunists say Crazy Crap (4, Insightful)

Distinguished Hero (618385) | about 8 years ago | (#15950478)

Crackpots and Opportunists say Crazy Crap (perhaps in hopes of securing some cash investments); Film at 11 on You Tube. Why is this on Slashdot?

Re:Crackpots and Opportunists say Crazy Crap (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950588)

Ummmmmm, hell-LOOOOOOO, because slashdot is a piece of stinking steaming dog crap?

Duh.

HAHA, my vword: REFUEL

check the site's forums (5, Interesting)

X_Bones (93097) | about 8 years ago | (#15950484)

more than a few people think that the whole site is part of another viral marketing campaign by Microsoft and Bungie, this time for Halo 3. Don't take it as gospel quite yet, but it would explain the total lack of engineering and scientific detail that a company of this nature should be showing to the world.

Obligatory Simpson quote (5, Funny)

adamy (78406) | about 8 years ago | (#15950491)

Lisa, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics.

Re:Obligatory Simpson quote (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950669)

"this perpetual motion machine doesn't work.. it keeps going faster and faster!"

Is it marketing (2, Informative)

amliebsch (724858) | about 8 years ago | (#15950496)

Could this be a viral marketing gimmick? I couldn't help but notice that the "o" in the company logo (that is also the website icon) looks rather familiar in shape and color to the Xbox 360 spiral [wargamer.com] .

Doubt it. (1)

MarkGriz (520778) | about 8 years ago | (#15950612)

" I couldn't help but notice that the "o" in the company logo (that is also the website icon) looks rather familiar in shape and color to the Xbox 360 spiral."

If by similar you mean round, then yes I think you are onto something ;-)

I personally think someone put too much juice in the Irish Coffee.

Re:Is it marketing (4, Funny)

XMyth (266414) | about 8 years ago | (#15950674)

Well, the site is still up from a Slashdotting...which is quite suspicious.

Duke Nukem Forever (req)... (0)

tickticker (549972) | about 8 years ago | (#15950498)

I'll be using this so that I can play Duke Nukem Forever all day long without ever having to worry about my utility bills!

--

This sig utilizes magnetic forces to sig forever

Good grief (5, Insightful)

jmorris42 (1458) | about 8 years ago | (#15950499)

Is it now the policy of slashdot to give headline coverage to every crackpot perpetual motion machine? It might have been mildly amusing had it been filed under humor, but as news? Even the snarky wisecrack from the editor doesn't make up for the misfiling.

But even as humor it should not have been posted since there was a similar one only a week or so ago and I really doubt anyone has a new joke to make about these assclowns that didn't get used then.

Listen up you primitive screwheads at /., there is no "Free Energy", no Free lunch, no tooth fairy and there ain't ever going to be flying cars. (We will eventually solve the tech for a flying car but the liability is insoluble.)

Re:Good grief (1)

Technomonics (970384) | about 8 years ago | (#15950579)

No Tooth Fairy?? Now that is just mean.....

It's based on... (1)

jbarr (2233) | about 8 years ago | (#15950500)

...Cold Fusion, right?

Re:It's based on... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950631)


Actually, I would give Cold Fusion a far bigger chance of becoming something real than anything which uses magnets.

A nice interview about Cold Fusion with one of its researchers was published in Makezine magazine last year. You can find an interesting interview with Ed Storms about this subject here (sans the images):
http://www.makezine.com/extras/12.html [makezine.com]

Also interesting:

Cold Fusion: an objective evaluation: http://home.netcom.com/~storms2/review8.html [netcom.com]

After reading some of this material; I'm not saying that it is simply impossible anymore. I also realise that billions have been invested into hot fusion and there is a large group of people who don't want to see their investments going up into smoke.

Thank God for cold fusion... (1)

Dareth (47614) | about 8 years ago | (#15950645)

Damn Zerg could have let the guy finish his beer before killing him!

Sorry for the spoiler, but the Protoss would never have been so rude!

Interesting. (1)

jd (1658) | about 8 years ago | (#15950503)

If you start stationary, then apply a force such as to move around a circle, you will end up with kinetic energy. What an interesting observation.


My greater fear is that this will lead to both the filching of investors and the feeding stereotypes amongst the less tolerent of Britain - a far more likely outcome than the elimination of energy costs, methinks.

I have another idea to get free energy! (1)

PrescriptionWarning (932687) | about 8 years ago | (#15950509)

just harness the power created from free love! Churn that body heat, byaaaaaaaaa!

Re:I have another idea to get free energy! (1)

Pope (17780) | about 8 years ago | (#15950562)

Well, you get what you pay for. In that case, free shots of penicillin.

Funny thing is... (1)

SimplyI (974376) | about 8 years ago | (#15950638)

your joke power system is better than theirs.

Lacking details but I'm skeptical (aren't we all) (1, Redundant)

vistic (556838) | about 8 years ago | (#15950516)

"What we have developed is a way to construct magnetic fields so that when you travel round the magnetic fields, starting and stopping at the same position, you have gained energy," McCarthy said.

So where do you get the energy to travel around the fields?

And how fast do you need to travel to make a decent amount of energy? And how much energy would it take to travel that fast?

It's got to come from somewhere.

Noether rules the day (5, Interesting)

Ckwop (707653) | about 8 years ago | (#15950517)

When Noether proved in 1918 that every conservation law must have a paired symmetry, physics was transformed for-ever. From then on whenever you saw a conserved quantity it implied there was a symmetry that could be seen in space-time.

A lot of physics courses focus on the conserved quality and not the symmetry. Perhaps it's because the maths is a lot neater with conserved quantities than with symmetries. But I argue that the real understanding of the physics is to be had in making sense of the symmetries.

Conservation of energy implies that the laws of physics are constant over time. This is why breaking the law of energy conservation is important. If even one pico-joule of energy is created from nothing in the universe, it destroys the constancy of physical law.

The theory of electromagnetism has been verified to factor of 10**-20. I find it highly unlikely they've found something new in theory to allow this.

The fact they've issued a press release rather than a research paper suggests they're cranks. Nothing to see here, move along.

Simon

Re:Noether rules the day (1)

Octopus (19153) | about 8 years ago | (#15950606)

Interestingly, you'll notice all the section graphics are some natural reference to the Golden ratio or Fibonacci numbers...

This could either be psuedo-science...

OR A CLUE.

GET CRACKING, NERDS!

Re:Noether rules the day (3, Interesting)

Surt (22457) | about 8 years ago | (#15950679)

If even one pico-joule of energy is created from nothing in the universe, it destroys the constancy of physical law.

It's a good thing not even one pico-joule of energy has been created from nothing in the history of the universe, otherwise we might be here to appreciate this invention.

Yeah, good luck! (4, Funny)

Otter (3800) | about 8 years ago | (#15950527)

I can't wait until I can use this free energy to power my flying car and heat my aquarium of mermaids.

For the typical nerd, the outcomes in decreasing order of likelihood are:

  • Perpetual motion
  • A human female
  • A mermaid
  • Multiple mermaids

*Yawn* (1)

Starker_Kull (896770) | about 8 years ago | (#15950529)

Of course, no details on the website, other than the typical PMM favorite, obtaining energy from 'interacting' magnetic fields. I hope since they took out an advert in the Economist, the Economist will happily publish the results of testing by independent experts. Might be funny.

99.95% snake oil, methinks: (1)

Ancient_Hacker (751168) | about 8 years ago | (#15950532)

Nothing new here.

You can buy switchable magnetic hold-down devices from any good industrial supply catalog. They've been around and patented for over 60 years.

Shielding a magnetic field has been exhaustively studied, both theoretically and practically, for over 130 years.

Not a sliver of a chance of making energy this way.

If there was the slightest possibility this could fly, not only would it have been discovered eons ago, there would be venture capitalists throwing bucketfuls of shekels at these guys--- As differentiated from their making sensational and incomplete pleas for publicity.

Re:99.95% snake oil, methinks: (1)

p0tat03 (985078) | about 8 years ago | (#15950650)

"If there was the slightest possibility this could fly..."

Woah there buddy, are you telling me the snake oil wouldn't fly?

That's kind of obvious. It's a snake *and* a liquid, I'm pretty sure they don't let either of those on board planes nowadays.

Even if it were true... (1, Insightful)

derrickh (157646) | about 8 years ago | (#15950534)

Even it they really did find a way to get 'free' energy, it doesnt really matter. I dont even get excited over announcements like this anymore. Because if its false, then everything stays the same. If its true, the current energy corporations will do anything and everything possible to make sure it never sees the light of day...and everything stays the same.

D

Re:Even if it were true... (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950629)

If its true, the current energy corporations will do anything and everything possible to make sure it never sees the light of day...and everything stays the same.


Yup, the 2nd Law Of Thermodynamics is a plot made up by big energy companies to keep the rest of us in their thrall

Free Energy != Open Source? (1)

Octopus (19153) | about 8 years ago | (#15950535)

Would a technology company dedicated to creating free energy use ASP.NET on their web site?

I don't think so.

I CALL PLANET-SIZED TROLL

NO NO Really!!! This Could Work!!! (5, Funny)

ElboRuum (946542) | about 8 years ago | (#15950537)

I already have the patent on several "free" energy sources, but they aren't strictly free. There's the Feline Buttered Bread Commutator for example. It operates by strapping a piece of buttered bread buttered face up to a cat's back, then dropping it from a height. Since a cat always lands on its feet and buttered bread always lands butter side down, the whole apparatus simply hovers and spins in midair. By adding a wire coil to the cat and by putting a strong magnet in close proximity, voila! Free energy. Of course, it's not that there isn't any loss. For example, the cat needs to be fed and the bread gets stale. The cat tends to vomit occasionally, so there is some clean up involved.

Re:NO NO Really!!! This Could Work!!! (1)

MindStalker (22827) | about 8 years ago | (#15950676)

So, in reality your running on cat metabolism. A fine, fine conversion factor really. Probably somewhere in the triple 9s. But its definatly not free.

Riiiight (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950547)

McCarthy said Steorn had not set out to develop the technology, but "it actually fell out of another project we were working on"

The other project being the tracking of the purple unicorns on Antarctica.

Not a new idea (1)

DrLang21 (900992) | about 8 years ago | (#15950549)

This is [icehouse.net] not new. [freeenergynews.com] They keep trying to say that it "creates" energy and defies what we know about physics. They would get a better reception if they instead claimed that it is converting energy from a yet unknown source.

I call this bogus (1)

viking2000 (954894) | about 8 years ago | (#15950551)

They claim they are trying to have scientists and other find an interest in their technology, and prove or disprove their claims.

Funny thing is that even on their own web pages http://www.steorn.net/ [steorn.net] there is no products, description, pictures, technical info, general overview or *anything else* that describes the technology.

I call this bogus

Irish Response (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950561)

Whale Oil Beef Hooked
(say it fast)

NOBODY PANIC (4, Funny)

RyoShin (610051) | about 8 years ago | (#15950570)

I've alerted the authorities, and the Science Police will soon arrest them for breaking the Laws of Thermodynamics.

Using the laws of thermo to break the law. (1)

krell (896769) | about 8 years ago | (#15950685)

"I've alerted the authorities, and the Science Police will soon arrest them for breaking the Laws of Thermodynamics."

Just hide out a while, and wait for the situation to cool down (it always will). And then it will be safe to come out.

Bah, how can it be so hard...? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950574)

Just create the devices, let's say five of them. Take them with you. Plug in normal devices. Let them run uninterrupted for weeks. Keep watch while they're running. That's all you need to do, none of this "off the record scientist verification shit".

mGod down (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950593)

This vergy moment, of business and

I developed this technology years ago... (1)

Coco Lopez (886067) | about 8 years ago | (#15950608)

My army of Korean-made human clones developed this technology years ago, but nobody responded to the ad that I placed in Maxim about it.

details on magnetic fields (1)

dzogchen (200579) | about 8 years ago | (#15950613)

These are unusual magnetic fields, that only occur around a blarney stone.....

I'm sure whisky had nothing to do with this... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950634)

Nothing to see here...

Hanso Foundation (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950646)

It's not an "Irish Company", it's the Hanso Foundation [wikipedia.org] . And I fear that, due to the events at the end of last season, there may be a setback in general availability in this free energy.

Sean McCarthy - CEO (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950651)

Since when did Bill Murray become CEO of this company?
http://www.steorn.net/en/press.aspx?p=7 [steorn.net]

I interviewed Shawn McCarthy this morning (1, Informative)

sterlingda (732011) | about 8 years ago | (#15950659)

Steorn to Push Tipping Point for Magnet Motor Technology [pesn.com] - To solidify the credentials of a radical, new energy approach, Irish Company intents to select jury of 12 hard-core skeptics with high academic qualifications to review existing data, then design testing procedure, test, and publish the results.

Very nice guy. One of the most impressive groups I've encountered in my quest for legitimate free energy technlogy.

The smell of burning leprechauns (1)

krell (896769) | about 8 years ago | (#15950660)

Either that, or they finally found a way to get to the end of the rainbow.

Belief as authentication requirement (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950661)

According to my friend, I challenge negative assumptions. Perhaps, as he says, belief is an authentication criteria? That is scientifically testable, is it not, that if individuals attempt to believe, they may repeat the same experiments? I do not know about the technology, but great things are there IF YOU LOOK. There are positive possibilities for everyone. Keep up the good work!

Moving magnetic fields want to be free! (1)

wsanders (114993) | about 8 years ago | (#15950663)

All you slackers aren't reading The Fine Print (TM). Energy created by interacting with magnetic fields is free, everyone knows that.

It's getting the fields to move that's the expensive part....

Belief is a power that grows with time (1)

bkruiser (610285) | about 8 years ago | (#15950664)

I think if we all just believe enough, we would have the strength and the courage to have faith in this. Please send this to 100 people to make sure the children are saved and we can give free power to the world. This will eliminate stupidity and arthritis if you only believe. It is tough getting someone who has a brain to look at this rediculous thing, but with enough faith we will find someone who believes in the power that wasn't. Jesus lives and God bless!

Obligatory SG-1 Quote: (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950667)

How does that work?

Colonel O'neil, "Magnets!"

Power my goldfish tank? (1)

x3nos (773066) | about 8 years ago | (#15950670)

Perhaps this is what I could use to power my aquarium of super-intelligent goldfish [slashdot.org] . Power to go around in circles you say? Just use some silly dolphins - they aren't smart enough to know the difference anyhow.

Pshaw (3, Funny)

srussell (39342) | about 8 years ago | (#15950675)

I can't wait until I can use this free energy to power my flying car and heat my aquarium of mermaids.
Duh! Everybody knows there's no such things as flying cars.

--- SER

If I had free energy... (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950682)

I'd:

1. Take a huge short position in Oil, gas, and power distribution.

2. Sell power back to the grid under the guise of it being a cogenerating plant, keeping the real power source secret as long as possible.

3. Undercut competitors in energy-intensive applications such as electoplating or aluminum smelting, once more keeping the methods secret as long as possible.

I would certainly *not* be begging for money anyone, or "acceptance from the scientific community". All of that stuff would come automaticly if you managed your discovery properly. Therefor, their claims are provably false without any need for anyone to lift a finger.

Just to hose them further... (image of the device) (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#15950686)

Here's a larger image of the device they are using.
http://www.steorn.net/images/sean5_large.jpg [steorn.net]
It's at the bottom.

Here's how it works (2, Funny)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | about 8 years ago | (#15950688)

It's really quite simple. You build a water wheel. Water spills on it, turning a generator. The water spills below, where a pump, powered by the generator, pumps it back onto the top of the water wheel. Voila! Instant perpetumobile!

And all these idiot scientists think there's no such thing as perpetual motion.

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