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Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond

Zonk posted more than 8 years ago | from the dinosaurs-in-wa dept.

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savio13 writes "Sam Ramji, Microsoft's director of its Open Source Software Lab has invited 4 Mozilla developers to spend 4 days with Microsoft's Vista Readiness ISV team. The invite can be found on mozilla.dev.planning and was posted on Saturday (Aug. 19). Schroepfer replied by indicating that Microsoft and the Moz guys are already in contact via email and will follow up on the offer there. This is interesting because Sam posted the offer in a public forum (and indicated that he'd sent a PM, but was posting in case they had an @microsoft.com email filter). Sam also made a point of stating that the Vista ISV Readiness offer is typically only for commercial ISVs."

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It's a TRAP!!! (5, Funny)

Emrikol (21551) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955428)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It's_a_trap [wikipedia.org] Seriously, watch out! Pretty soon, we'll have no more coders!

Re:It's a TRAP!!! (1, Offtopic)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955628)

Why is this first post a troll when the second post saying the same thing is +5 funny?

*shakes head at mods on crack*

Re:It's a TRAP!!! (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955641)

yummy yummy yummy
i got cum in my tummy

Re:It's a TRAP!!! (3, Funny)

should_be_linear (779431) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955657)

Hello Firefox guys, my name is Balmer, Steve Balmer. Those folks you see closed in s cage is our "IE team". You will decide what is their destiny. Look at our latest sources, and tell me, but honestly, is there any use of it?

Re:It's a TRAP!!! (4, Funny)

A Commentor (459578) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955798)

Don't all fly on the same plane, ride in the same car, or use the same elevator... It's better to lose 1 than all 4 ;-)

Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond (0, Redundant)

all204 (898409) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955431)

It's a trap!

Re:Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond (1)

john83 (923470) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955477)

Fighters coming in.

Re:Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955600)

cyberia?

Re:Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond (1)

john83 (923470) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955671)

No, it's the next line of dialogue after Akbar's "It's a trap!" in Return of the Jedi.

Re:Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond (5, Funny)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955610)

"That's not an operating system..."

Re:Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955611)

If Evil Dead 3 can teach us anything, and I believe it can, it is to bring an axe to occations like this one. Just to be on the safe side.

Re:Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955621)

Just an axe? I want my chainsaw and my boomstick.

Re:Mozilla Developers Invited to Redmond (1)

Ougarou (976289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955658)

Hahaha, It's great to see how M$ is taking open source and building a "community" using a highly "secure office space for 4 people"! Somehow I still don't think they know what they are dealing with here.

Future news splash: (4, Funny)

Vengeance (46019) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955432)

Four Mozilla developers missing, story at eleven.

Re:Future news splash: (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955780)

The murders were captured on video and displayed worldwide using the Nurve system [imdb.com] . These programmers are being beaten to death!

fuck (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955433)

OMG OMG OMG

I think Admiral Ackbar said it best.. (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955435)

IT'S A TRAP!!

Never forget what Kosh said! (4, Funny)

krell (896769) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955440)

"If you go to Z'ha'dum, you will die."

Re:Never forget what Kosh said! (2, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955729)

"Yes."

Re:Never forget what Kosh said! (1)

Burdell (228580) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955791)

Yeah, but they'll get better.

Re:Never forget what Kosh said! (1)

ahsile (187881) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955813)

Meh, he got resurrected.

My prediction: (0, Redundant)

kotj.mf (645325) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955446)

In a couple of weeks, we'll see a /. article about how four Mozilla developers have mysteriously disappeared, followed shortly thereafter by one about how they've been found in the trunk of Ballmer's car.

Dancing Pachyderm (1)

krell (896769) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955462)

"about how they've been found in the trunk of Ballmer's car"

I thought the trunk was one of Ballmer's physical features.

Re:Dancing Pachyderm (0, Troll)

Vengeance (46019) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955498)

Nah, Ballmer is all head and ass.

Autopsies of the developers show... (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955572)

Acute Chair Deceleration to the Head syndrome.

Re:My prediction: (1)

kurrik (776253) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955705)

More like Mozilla's trunk in Ballmer's Explorer

Sorry, have to do this (5, Funny)

albert28 (977914) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955451)

Watch out for chairs!

Re:Sorry, have to do this (5, Funny)

mgblst (80109) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955619)

Ha, I can see it now.

Mozilla guys walk into a big room.
Microsoftie: Hey guys, thanks for coming down here. We have a lot to talk about. Take a seat and we will get started.
Mozilla guys: Um, there are no chairs in this room?
Steve Ballmer breaks through the wall, armed with a number of vicous looking chairs.
Steve: Did someone want a chair...hahaha.

I imagine this sort of thing happens all the time at Redmond.

Sense motive checks abound (5, Insightful)

Recovering Hater (833107) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955467)

But seriously, I think that Microsoft is trying to get third party OSS browser support for Vista so that they can announce it as a feature. "Look, we have great support for the BEST free browsers out there! We are cool and friendly!" It has become obvious to Microsoft that OSS is not going away and that they need to embrace some of the popular choices in an effort to stem the flow away from Linux, etc. Seems pretty obvious to me.

embrace? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955551)

Embrace? As in embrace, extend, and extinguish?

Embrace? As in kiss-o-death? (see vinnie reference)

Or what?

Gecko based IExplorer? (1, Interesting)

vhogemann (797994) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955626)

What if they're thinking anbout replacing the IE render engine with Geko + ActiveX extensions?

It's not an insane idea, a browser it's not a key factor for desktop dominance anymore... and MS could use the resources allocated for IE on another projects.

And also, they eliminate the "Firefox" treat... Firefox is avaliable for MacOSX, Linux, BSD, and others. If someone uses it under Windows, they can feel more confortable to swich to another OS since their applications are there too.

Re:Gecko based IExplorer? (4, Insightful)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955690)

Never. Too much NIH (Not Invented Here) syndrome for that. I think one of the other posters is right. FireFox is getting popular and if it doesn't work with Vista (either intentionally or not) they will get tons of complaints ("Vista broke my InternetFox thing", "They are trying to crush FireFox", etc.). FireFox is so popular that they have to make sure it works. The only difference between it and some other program they'll do that for (Sims/Sim 2) is that FireFox is FOSS so we hear about it (where they have done this with Sims/Sims 2 and we don't hear a peep).

Firefox works with Vista (3, Insightful)

bunratty (545641) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955789)

Aren't there already plenty of Firefox users who are using the latest Vista betas? If Firefox didn't work in Vista, there'd be lots of bug reports about it already.

Re:Gecko based IExplorer? (1)

T-Ranger (10520) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955712)

Well, the resources on the IE layout system are already paid for. It been years, its in beta, I think the heavy lifting is over with. Besides, the layout engine in Moz isnt a HTML layout engine, but a XML layout engine, with specific support for (x)html, and xul/xbl, out of the box. Microsoft now has xaml; if they are even half way smart in their engineering then the IE engine is also not a HTML layout engine, but an XML layout engine with specific support for (x)html, and xaml. Under this scenario, throwing away the IE engine would mean throwing away the specific support for xaml, and having to rewrite that specific support for Gecko.

Re:Gecko based IExplorer? (5, Interesting)

nuzak (959558) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955754)

> What if they're thinking anbout replacing the IE render engine with Geko + ActiveX extensions?

Absolutely never ever ever going to happen. Even discounting the IE features that MS wants to keep, even discounting NIH syndrome, Microsoft owns the IE codebase (modulo a few patent trolls). Microsoft doesn't want to put anything in Windows that it can't alter at will. Yes Gecko's open source, but they don't exactly want to fork it and deal with the developer relations donnybrook that would ensue.

As for ActiveX, MS had already removed almost every AX control from its site, leaving only various update managers. And the Eolas debacle has pretty much tilted them all the way toward going 100% DHTML/AJAX for rich content. Underneath, it's still COM controls, sure -- Flash and even the Java "plugin" are actually ActiveX controls -- but anyone still beating on the ActiveX drum is showing they have no imagination with which to update their repertoire of trolling.

Firefox is big and important enough now that some folks at Microsoft want more familiarity, including making sure it doesn't break on Vista, because depending on how it breaks, it can make Vista appear broken itself (or yes, reveal where it actually is broken). The speculation you're reading about "traps" is just the usual grist for the Two-Minute Hate around here.

Re:Sense motive checks abound (3, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955660)

I wouldn't be so conspirative; I just think it's to cover their asses in case Firefox would have Vista trouble. After all, ~10% browser share according to common analyst firms marks a pretty common Windows software they likely want to work for user not to go "screw Vista, even Firefox don't work!".

Re:Sense motive checks abound (3, Interesting)

El_Muerte_TDS (592157) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955762)

It would be nice if Microsoft simply included a branded version of Firefox with Windows Vista. (e.g. one with MSN search as default search engine instead of Google).

It's a trap! (0, Redundant)

Pao|o (92817) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955468)

Beware Mozillans...

I think it is interesting (2, Interesting)

Enselic (933809) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955488)

Hopefully this invitation is simply a consequence of that Microsoft has (finally) realized that there is no way they will be able to keep up with OSS in the long run. Maybe they have finally realized that sooner or later, given enough time, every commercial application will have a free counterpart.

Re:I think it is interesting (1)

MSFanBoi2 (930319) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955574)

Most of them do have free counterparts, and yet most of the world doesn't touch em.

Re:I think it is interesting (2, Insightful)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955694)

Or maybe they want more browser developers and those dudes proved themselves.

A Bruce Campbell quote for this... (2, Funny)

The_DOD_player (640135) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955490)

It's a trick - get an axe!

Moz devs: Be sure to catch the tour! (5, Funny)

deadhammer (576762) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955493)

Be amazed at the open source research lab, the award winning cafeteria, the empty lot out back where Microsoft employee Vinnie "The Bonecrusher" Vetallini will explain in intricate detail Microsoft's browser strategy.

Wow (1)

Donniedarkness (895066) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955497)

The first several posters all think it's a trap.

Now I'm scared for the Mozilla developers. Thanks for making me lose sleep, guys.

I can't stop laughing (2, Funny)

volpone (551472) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955620)

...at the fact that so many of us read the summary and ALL thought, "It's a trap!" I'm talking tears-in-my-eyes laughing.


Now I'm going to have Admiral Ackbar's quote in my head all day.

Re:Wow (-1, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955734)

Actually, most of the posts are juvinile comments against Microsoft, most of which are modded as 'funny'. Oh wait, this is anti-capitalist slashdot where capitalism is evil yet communism is good and information 'wants to be free'. When you speak the truth about capitallism, you're whole account is mod-bombed into oblivion. When someone makes a childish comment such as 'Linux rulz, Micro$oft winblow$ drulz' They are modded up as either funny or insightful.

Sun Tzu (3, Interesting)

quakeroatz (242632) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955512)

"Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer" (c. 6th century BC)

Re:Sun Tzu (1)

ozmanjusri (601766) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955710)

(c. 6th century BC)

Sun Tzu was 4th century BC, but his advice is still apposite. I think Machiavelli might have said it better though, if less succinctly.

And it ought to be remembered that there is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders in those who may do well under the new. This coolness arises partly from fear of the opponents, who have the laws on their side, and partly from the incredulity of men, who do not readily believe in new things until they have had a long experience of them.
Better to acquire a lukewarm defender that retain a bitter enemy...

Email filter (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955513)

What's with the "in case the had a @microsoft.com filter" comment?

Re:Email filter (4, Informative)

AllahsAvatar (887555) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955841)

I just got an email from Microsoft support. This was included:

Please note, since this support request will be handled using Microsoft's e-mail support option, it is highly recommended you set your junk mail settings for the e-mail contact you listed in this case to accept e-mail from Microsoft.com. This will ensure our support e-mail reaches you in a timely m anner and prevent it from being moved to your junk mail folder.

Apparently a lot of people block @microsoft.com entirely.

Leveredge (3, Insightful)

N8F8 (4562) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955519)

Seriously folks, what if a popular product like FF decided to drag feet on supporting a new MS product. Pretend we're talking a year from now and MS is trying to roll out Vista and the 40% of the population that will be using FF by then balks because FF won't run properly. Extremely unlikely but an interresting though nontheless expecially when you recall the days when MS would break competitors apps running on Windows.

Living in Dreamland (4, Funny)

brunes69 (86786) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955573)

Pretend we're talking a year from now and MS is trying to roll out Vista and the 40% of the population that will be using FF by then balks because FF won't run properly.

Wow - food must taste better where you live too!

Re:Living in Dreamland (3, Funny)

Crayon Kid (700279) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955723)

It's not the food, is the fact it's being served by happy gnomes dressed in all the colours of the rainbow.

Re:Leveredge (1)

lowe0 (136140) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955656)

Microsoft would quickly publicize it. I'm imagining the following:

"Look, folks, we were willing to bend over backwards to make this work, and they wouldn't budge to do something that would benefit the end user! Do you want software that runs your business to be controlled by people who make childish decisions like this?"

But hey, if that plays out great in your mind, by all means keep dreaming of sticking it to The Man.

Re:Leveredge (4, Insightful)

jkabbe (631234) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955760)

Pretend we're talking a year from now and MS is trying to roll out Vista and the 40% of the population that will be using FF by then balks because FF won't run properly.

It may not be a representative sample, but all of the big corporations I have worked at or visited seem wedded to IE. Since corporations are going to be the slow movers on the Vista transition I think it's unlikely to be the explanation. Keep in mind, consumers are going to get Vista shoved down their throats because that's what will come installed on new machines.

The more likely reason is anti-trust. Microsoft is finally getting some serious competition again in the browser arena. Microsoft will have a tough time explaining things if Vista comes out and Firefox, the arch-rival to IE, doesn't work. Microsoft long ago lost the benefit of the doubt with respect to anti-trust regulators.

The benefits far outweigh the costs of helping the Firefox team out for a few days. In other words: CYA.

Vista modularity? (5, Interesting)

stites (993570) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955520)

If Vista is written modularly and has a clean, well documented API then why would an application development team need any help from the Vista development team to get their application working on Vista?

--------------------
Steve Stites

Re:Vista modularity? (1)

192939495969798999 (58312) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955643)

There's a simple explanation: it's probably NOT working well, and they want to have a heads-up on what kinda complaint level they'll have. OR, they want to make sure to "break" certain firefox features so that IE looks better.

Re:Vista modularity? (1)

MBCook (132727) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955722)

Well, there are a couple of things. First, they probably want to make sure it works well and can integrate correctly (being a default browser and such, they may have changed that API). But they also want to make sure it doesn't trigger any bugs. This may include avoiding known bugs, or finding new ones. What if FireFox was written correctly but happened to trigger some obscure bug that would cause your network connection to get dropped or stalled whenever you looked at a page over 100k or something like that.

It's important to find bugs that aren't triggerable yet. It's MORE important to find bugs that ARE triggerable.

Re:Vista modularity? (1)

Cheapy (809643) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955738)

What you're implying is that if something is written modularly and is well documented, no skilled programmer would ever need to ask questions about it?

That arguement breaks down the first time someone asks about Linux or Mac.

Re:Vista modularity? (3, Informative)

Mongoose Disciple (722373) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955773)

For a complex enough project (which I'd argue Firefox is), even with a clean, well documented API, there will always be plenty of questions that can be answered better and/or faster by just asking the developers of the API. You can try to anticipate all possible questions in writing API documentation, but you'll never quite get there.

Re:Vista modularity? (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955793)

I think you answered your own question.

One does not simply walk into Redmond! (5, Funny)

w33t (978574) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955525)

It's Bill Gates is gaurded by more than just Orcs. There is evil there that does not sleep, and the Great WGA is ever watchful. It is a barren wasteland riddled with fire, ash, and Starbucks coffee, the very air you breathe is a poisonous fume. Not with ten thousand could you do this. It is folley.

Nice knowing you guys (1)

pembo13 (770295) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955534)

They are gonna strap these guys down as soon as they get through the doors and feed them "the koolaid", and they will never be the same again. Pity, they were part of an interesting project. Bye bye.

Opera too (5, Informative)

elcid73 (599126) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955542)

Opera was invited to MS recently as well.... http://my.opera.com/dstorey/blog/show.dml/419834 [opera.com]

if it is a trap (2, Interesting)

atarione (601740) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955550)

it is the kinda trap were they offer to give you butt loads of money to come work for them instead.

This just struck me as odd... (1)

Benanov (583592) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955560)

I love the part about the @microsoft.com email filter. Is someone paranoid or what?

Re:This just struck me as odd... (2, Insightful)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955693)

What, you don't think they read the comments here? Given the attitude, I'd probably think the same thing too if i were in their place.

Careful of the Kool-Aid (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955565)

Whatever you do, guys, do not drink the Kool-Aid!

Laugh at their problems... (1)

Ougarou (976289) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955568)

some 1:1 support in getting Firefox and Thunderbird to run on Vista.
Hahaha, if they need 1:1 support, it's probably harder then just posting a bug report or using IRC.
My 2 cents: Even if you guys never get it to work on Vista, I'll probably never stop enjoying Firefox because I'll probably never start using Vista.
Make sure you get free food without selling your soul and enjoy!

Keep Your Friends Close... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955585)

...keep your enemies closer.

Maybe so but, (4, Funny)

TheOldSchooler (850678) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955594)

Guess what will be on the private plane that flies them to Redmond.

Re:Maybe so but, (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955686)

SNAKES!

Arriving in Redmond .... (5, Funny)

B2382F29 (742174) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955602)

It is pitch black. You are likely to be eaten by a grue.

-50 ultraredudant (1)

gmuslera (3436) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955604)

Resistance is futile, your browser will be assimilated

Rest of the quote (1)

WillerZ (814133) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955799)

Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own.

Ok ok... (4, Insightful)

Yankovic (97540) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955613)

Not to get too serious here, but this is a perfect example of a situation where MS can't win. Invite the folks up? "It's a trap! They'll steal your code, kill you, etc." Don't invite them up? "When is MS going to treat OSS developers like any one else, Firefox has many users, they should get the same respect as any other org."

Ah slashdot... can't live with it, pass the beer nuts.

Re:Ok ok... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955699)

How about letting them see iexplorer code so they become 'tainted' afaiunst working on open source project

Interesting (1)

olddotter (638430) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955630)

I wonder if this is a sign of things to come after the management shake up of sorts at Microsoft?

Mozilla has a enough hype around it that it would be a benefit to Microsoft to say vista supports it. Helping OSS also takes a little of the anti-trust preasure off of them around the world.

 

That's It for Mozilla Then... (3, Interesting)

eno2001 (527078) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955639)

The coders that went there have very likely seen some code that is currently "open" but will eventually be closed. And it's very likely it will influence the way they code on Firefox and Seamonkey. So I expect that a few years from now MS legal will come-a-callin' and do what SCO did only they will succeed because they have more money. Smart move there Einteins. This is why it is absolutely imperatif that no one in the FOSS camp ever agrees to look at code that is proprietary. As soon as you do, you're damaged goods.

But it already works (1)

MartijnL (785261) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955644)

I don't understand what the point is. Firefox installs on Vista beta so even without this visit and program tweaks it works.

Hahaahaha (1)

Ramirozz (758009) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955653)

After the meeting, check for a chip in the back of their necks.

I hope at least one of them... (0)

geobeck (924637) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955655)

...takes a Hattori Hanzo sword, and has mastered Pai Mei's five-point exploding heart technique.

...and is cast as a hot blonde for the 'documentary'.

Acknowledging Firefox's Popularity (2, Interesting)

embracethenerdwithin (989333) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955659)

It seems to me that MS is finally acknowledging Firefox's popularity.


What I never understood is the whole browser wars thing, how does MS make money off IE? It's free to download. I guess this signals the end of the browser wars, with both sides sitting down to work together(interesting indeed).

Maybe they realize that Firefox is a good product and IE isn't actually making them any money so why not support Firefox.

Or maybe it's just a PR stunt in light of all the recent Vista scare stuff. They wanted us to see it; I'm sure they could have contacted mozilla somehow without the public knowing. The fact is they want us to see this for some reason.

Re:Acknowledging Firefox's Popularity (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955821)

What I never understood is the whole browser wars thing, how does MS make money off IE? It's free to download. I guess this signals the end of the browser wars, with both sides sitting down to work together(interesting indeed).
It's kinda like a loss-leader, not that people buy Windows for IE, but it's just another Microsoft product so that people keep Microsoft in their minds when they think of software. I don't think this is really a sign of the end of the browser wars, I think this is Microsoft trying to get to know their enemy. People who switch from IE to Firefox are likely to switch from Outlook to Thunderbird and MS Office to OpenOffice, and are then more likely than other people to switch from Windows to Linux. Microsoft doesn't like that, so you can bet that whatever they're doing is not good for Firefox.

isn't this going to be.... (1)

arsenix (19636) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955675)


    Just like the opening scene in braveheart.

james

Obligatory (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955683)

Ballmer paraphrase...

"I'm going to fucking bury those guys, I have done it before, and I will do it again, I'm going to fucking kill Mozilla."

Doesn't this make sense (1)

nuggz (69912) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955704)

Mozilla is a large project maintained by a number of smart guys, job offers and trying to understand what they're thinking and where they're going is useful to MS.

Also if there are problem with Mozilla applications running properly on Vista, it is a problem for MS. Not that MS should care about Mozilla specifically, but if it doesn't work, a lot of other software won't either.

Tickled pink (0, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 8 years ago | (#15955724)

So, I clicked on this stupid tickle ad on a site for IT people, so I figured it was safe. Now I have a bunch of badware on my computer.

Oh, wait, that's right, I'm not that stupid. But the people running /. obviously have no ethics.

Re:Tickled pink (3, Insightful)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955857)

You can thank the people who made your browser and those who made your OS (whichever they happen to be) for making that possible. Oh, and yourself for using them.

Is this a trick? (1)

rice_burners_suck (243660) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955725)

Is this a trick, a ploy to start a war?

No, and no. Four questions left.

I only asked five questions.

Is it a trick? Is it a ploy to start a war. Those are separate questions.


I find it strange that Microsoft would invite these folks over. What, suddenly they want to interoperate with everything?

you can bet the lawyers aren't invited (1)

Locutus (9039) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955736)

Watch what you SIGN and SAY because there's little proof anything good will come of this. And I doubt Microsoft is wanting to help the stepchild of the company(Netscape) whom Steve Balmer said, "kill the baby" to.

Nothing good can come of this so send the lawyers instead.

LoB

Sad. (4, Insightful)

sethadam1 (530629) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955755)

This is sad. This comment is not a troll, not a flamebait, just an observation.

Microsoft has taken some serious steps to clean itself up over the last year or so. As a Linux/Apache/PHP/Python/Perl/MySQL/Postgres evangelist, I always root for open source, but I respect Microsoft's omnipresence in the tech world.

That said, it's really sad to see that 98% of the comments here are based on distrust, hatred, and bad jokes. This is a huge move: Microsoft, for once, finally understanding that open source has a place and that NOT working with them spells trouble for them.

So, please people, retire the lame wisecracks. This is one of many times you'll see Microsoft bent by the immense power and will of open source!

Commercial (1)

Silver Sloth (770927) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955768)

From TFL (emphasis mine)
As part of my mission as an advocate for open source applications on Windows, I've gotten spaces set aside at the Windows Vista Readiness ISV Lab. In the past the company has only invited commercial software developers to these labs. I'm committed to evolving our thinking beyond commercial companies to include open source projects, so I went to the non-trivial effort of getting slots for non-commercial open source projects.
That's an interesting view of what 'commercial' means. It looks like, as far as Redomd is concerned, Open Source == Non Commercial. That really misunderstands what Open Source is all about.

Cool!! (1)

PinkyDead (862370) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955772)

If you open IE7, type 'firefox sucks' into the address bar - then press the Windows key 4 times, followed by ctrl-alt-tab, the following message appears:

"Help us - we've been kidnapped by Ballmer! They're making us write insecure code and not giving us enough caffeine!"

Then you get to play a flight simulator game...

[To anyone who tries this and complains about it not working - "you are an idiot"].

If you can't beat them... (1)

G3ckoG33k (647276) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955774)

If you can't beat them, join them?

Posting with OE? (1)

Jack Malmostoso (899729) | more than 8 years ago | (#15955837)

I liked the fact that the first followup is repeated twice in the google archive. Maybe at MS they are still using OE to follow newsgroups...
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