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PS3 GUI Takes Page From PSP Book

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the what-you'll-be-using-for-the-next-ten-years dept.

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sdmonroe writes "As the PS3 launch approaches, the first glimpses of the console's new interface have started to hit the web. The interface borrows many features from the PSP GUI which got such broad acclaim, and includes simple drop down menus for accessing important settings like video resolution, audio output, and management of your virtual friends. Customizability and configurability are also some of the features gamers can expect."

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76 comments

Frist Psot (-1, Troll)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#15954970)

Burn karma =o)

Re:Frist Psot (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955023)

sorry guys, could not resist =oP

xtracto

Re:Frist Psot (0, Offtopic)

kinzillah (662884) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955094)

Is that at all like mana burn?

Re:Frist Psot (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955402)

No, but it's not disimilar to the 'locks suicide spell: Hellfire.

Re:Frist Psot (1)

tezbobobo (879983) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955559)

Obviously not, 'Karma' Burn only applies to the basic swamps in one's posession. However, as the were discontinued in 5th, I guess it's really a moot point for all but us old schoolies. One day I'll sell my moxs...

Not Bad (2, Insightful)

coop247 (974899) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955009)

I do like the PSP menu, its very clean, intuitive and easy. The only problem is the music/mp3 playback, that completely sucks on the PSP, you can't scroll around while listening to a song. Since there is a hard drive on the PS3, wonder if you can copy music onto it and set up playlists, that would be decent.

Re:Not Bad (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955267)

You CAN scroll around while listening to music. Just press HOME after you start playback.

Re:Not Bad (1)

JebJoya (997050) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955579)

Well, you can scroll around, but you can't actually do anything else (like browse your movies, or even the system settings)... (Just to clarify i mean you can scroll your music, but only horizontal XMB scrolling outside of that menu) Jeb DISCLAIMER: That is only up to v2.0 of the firmware, has to be said, if it changes above there then my apologies :)

Re:Not Bad (2, Informative)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955949)

Well, you can scroll around, but you can't actually do anything else (like browse your movies, or even the system settings)... (Just to clarify i mean you can scroll your music, but only horizontal XMB scrolling outside of that menu) Jeb DISCLAIMER: That is only up to v2.0 of the firmware, has to be said, if it changes above there then my apologies :)

Of course you can, just hit SELECT while listening to the tunes. It has always been this way from firmware 1 up.

Re:Not Bad (1)

JebJoya (997050) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956177)

Can you do that and browse the web/change settings though? I didn't think that you could, but I don't have my PSP with me atm to test... I may be wrong...

Jeb

Re:Not Bad (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956313)

Can you do that and browse the web/change settings though? I didn't think that you could, but I don't have my PSP with me atm to test... I may be wrong...

Sadly no. As soon as you pick a new 'app', it quits the music. A shame, I agree.

Re:Not Bad (1)

demon (1039) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956415)

You can certainly pop out of a song play to scroll around; press the HOME button, and the current song will continue playing. If you go out to the top level menu and go into VIDEO, GAME, SYSTEM or something like that, however, or attempt to delete a song or something, the music will stop, though.

Me being cynical (3, Funny)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955014)

"The interface borrows many features from the PSP GUI which got such broad acclaim, and includes simple drop down menus for accessing important settings like video resolution, audio output, and management of your virtual friends. Customizability and configurability are also some of the features gamers can expect."

Can I guess with confidence that at least some of these (imho obvious) gui features are patented, if not by Sony, someone about to hit the motherlode by suing them?

Re:Me being cynical (2, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955872)

Can I guess with confidence that at least some of these (imho obvious) gui features are patented, if not by Sony, someone about to hit the motherlode by suing them?

.... No. Not with confidence.

Re:Me being cynical (2, Funny)

ifrag (984323) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956326)

This is groundbreaking new interface stuff here. Drop down menus with settings? Massive innovation going on here!

As far as that patent, I'd think it would be hard to establish original and non-obvious invention at this point?

XMB (5, Informative)

earbenT (992594) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955019)

It's called the Cross Media Bar (XMB) interface, and it actually debuted on the ill-fated PSX (PS2+DVR combo) in 2003. It's since become Sony's standard UI for multimedia products such as the PSP, PS3 and even some higher-end TVs.

Another good PS3 interface video... (3, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955036)

If you hadn't seen it referenced from the google video link in the article. The google link in the article had a basic interface demonstration. This one has more infor on the picture browser, music and movie player, and (apparently) integrated web browser.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-724701762 1735985253&hl=en [slashdot.org]

Re:Another good PS3 interface video... (1)

CronoCloud (590650) | more than 7 years ago | (#15958916)

What the heck? I hadn't heard about the web browser. I figured that any web browsing functionality would be supplied from within LInux.

Interesting how it does multiple windows, woudln't be surprised to find out that it's netfront code....again.

PSP Book? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955038)

And here I was expecting a story about Sony plagiarising Paint Shop Pro for Dummies

Re:PSP Book? (1)

diverscuba023 (615113) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956048)

I thought that they ment this book: A Discipline for Software Engineering (The Personal Software Process book) If that was the case the PS3 would never ship

Old news. (2, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955041)

Looks very similar to what was shown at the beginning of June http://youtube.com/watch?v=UpKwRHxSzoY [youtube.com]

Xbox360 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955050)

I believe that Arstechnica said it was a toss up between the Xbox360 "blade" interface and the PS3 interface.

Blade is pretty nice (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957911)

I have had a chance to see Blade a few times and it's pretty well refined at this point. The Sony menu looks pretty good, but it'll take some using in practice before I could personally decide if it bests blade or not. The basic menu concept though is pretty interesting though.

Re:Blade is pretty nice (1)

modeless (978411) | more than 7 years ago | (#15958543)

The only thing about the 360's blade interface is that you have to wait for the fancy animations to finish before you can use the menus. It's only a second or so of delay but it adds up every time you do something and gets annoying fast. Construct the menus first, *then* do the fancy animations. Also, the Live Marketplace menus leave a lot to be desired. They're pretty minimal (where are the screenshots?), and the snail's-pace scrolling of the description text in its needlessly tiny box is inexcusable.

I'm not sure about the Sony menus. For $600 I'd expect a little more pizazz in my UI. But I'll take usability over pizazz, if they can deliver it.

Very...PSP... (5, Interesting)

the-stringbean (884738) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955053)

Well it's certainly like the PSP interface. Which is good and bad. It means that it's going to be pretty easy to use but it seems a bit underwelming considering the power of the PS3, especially if it's true that one of the Cell SPUs are dedicated to running the GUI...

The pop up menu during games seems a poor to me - white icons on a screen without a frame or background? I can see that being an issue with some games.

Not really (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955170)

The pop up menu during games seems a poor to me - white icons on a screen without a frame or background? I can see that being an issue with some games.

It's more of a difference rendering tat always keeps contrast with whatever game you have running.

Although the menu seems a bit simple, that also means it will still render well without affect game performance underneath (if a game is running). A demo shown at E3 shows more eye candy in the background as well so it'll not look too plain when in action.

Underwhelming. (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955070)

In the sea of negative reactions to the PS3 this is one of the few positive ones I've seen (well atleast on slashdot) I'm both happy that this has happened, but I'm still completely underwhelmed about the PS3. I know I'll end up owning all three consoles, but with Ken Kutaragi personally telling me I'm too poor to enjoy video games I can't help but feel that PS3 will be the last.

Re:Underwhelming. (2, Interesting)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955134)

"It's not what they say, it's what they don't say."

It's "good news" that, of ALL the gui layouts out there, Sony picked a good one? Wow, tough task there. That kinda reminds me of people who say "He speaks so well" to refer to someone for whom they can't think of a substantive praise, forgetting that the same comment is used frequently to describe the progress of a mentally retarded individual in therapy.

Re:Underwhelming. (1)

Phisbut (761268) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955278)

That kinda reminds me of people who say "He speaks so well" to refer to someone for whom they can't think of a substantive praise, forgetting that the same comment is used frequently to describe the progress of a mentally retarded individual in therapy.

Or the classic "She has a nice personality..."

Re:Underwhelming. (1)

blighter (577804) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955713)

I always like to follow that line with the other classic: "and she doesn't sweat much, for a fat girl..."

Videogames as Multimedia device (1, Interesting)

madleo (810299) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955079)

More and more we'll see new videogames converging into multimedia devices or even computers. Probably in one or two years Sony and Nintendo will be doing more media devices with more processing power and storage devices such as a hard disk inside a video game. I wonder when am I going to see a computer that can be fully integrated into the whole media system of a house. This shouldn't be far away for companies like Sony and Apple.

Re:Videogames as Multimedia device (0, Troll)

earbenT (992594) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955201)

Nintendo is not large or diverse enough to compete on the same level as Sony or Microsoft, which is why they've bowed out of the technology race and faded into the background as a niche company for short, simplistic, arcade-style games and quaint non-games targeted at children, women and old people (plus the predictable and increasingly trite Mario/Zelda/Metroid/Pokemon/Smash Bros fare).

Re:Videogames as Multimedia device (2, Insightful)

earbenT (992594) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955460)

Oh sure, if I say something negative about Sony it's insightful, interesting and informative but God forbid it should ever Nintendo that gets criticized.

Re:Videogames as Multimedia device (1, Informative)

Sizzlean (820489) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955580)

Read your comment again, numbnuts. Old people, children, simplistic, quaint non-games, niche (which they are actually - they stick to games generally and don't deal in media centers for example)... its not exactly constructive criticism more a rehash of the same old horse thats beaten when someone criticizes nintendo.

Re:Videogames as Multimedia device (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955830)

Yeah, it's not like the anti-Sony/anti-PS3 arguments are beaten to death, right?

Crossbar is brilliant (3, Insightful)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955086)

One of the best things about the PSP is that 'crossbar' interface. Its extremely fast and easy to use.

One thing I liked in the video: showing a picture of the output plugs is pretty smart - this will really help out those who wouldn't know a DVI from an HDMI from a component cable.

I gotta wonder if that interface is running in some kind of HD mode; that text would not be readable on a standard-def 27" TV. Way to small. I imagine the font scales with the display mode.

Re:Crossbar is brilliant (1)

Frag-A-Muffin (5490) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956514)


this will really help out those who wouldn't know a DVI from an HDMI from a component cable.

I doubt anyone plunking down $600+ for the PS3 is NOT going to know what those inputs are :)

Re:Crossbar is brilliant (1)

Deadguy2322 (761832) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957253)

Coming from my experiences in tech support, the more money someone has, the less they know, or care to educate themselves.

More Zonk anti-PS3 FUD (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955092)

This is just more anti-PS3 FUD being spread by Zonk. Now we get to hear that the GUI will be just like the doomed PSP's GUI and that the PS3 is to be doomed as well. Wait, what?

Yes fanbois, not all PS3 stories on /. have a negative twist to them. It's just that when there isn't much positive from Sony to report, you can't just make up news to satisfy the fans.

On another note, why is 1080i listed after 1080p? Shouldn't 1080p be "the best"?

Re:More Zonk anti-PS3 FUD (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955302)

How is this Anti-PS3? This is the first positive thing I've heard about the PS3 in a while...

In the GUI industry, it's always smart to pick a design you like and use something similar in all your products across the board. Consumers like it when they pick up a new product and instantly know how to use it. It helps build brand loyalty and name recognition.

Re:More Zonk anti-PS3 FUD (1)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955998)

A good GUI isn't one that you only have to teach people to use once, but one where you don't have to teach them at all.

Re:More Zonk anti-PS3 FUD (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956198)

Right, but at the same time it does no good to keep changing it from product to product, hoping to eventually get it right. This interface was "good enough" and markedly better than anything Sony's ever offered in the past, so I stand by the fact that I think it's a good move on their part to try and create uniformity across their next gen entertainment products.

Slow news day? (0, Flamebait)

some guy on slashdot (914343) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955105)

Its sad when Sony implementing a half-decent menu design is news.

Dont get me wrong, the gui seems very clean and usable, but theres nothing in there you wouldn't expect.

I do have one question though; will it be able play games automatically without going through the GUI? Because tapping "Animal Crossing DS" is one thing, but scrolling through a bunch of menus seems like it would throw up a mental barrier to play.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

grumbel (592662) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955167)

My guess would be that it launches the game directly, like the PSP, since you can after all quit the game at any time to go back to the menu without reboot, there isn't really much reason to not do so.

Hibernate (4, Interesting)

fistfullast33l (819270) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955448)

What I'd really like to see is the PSP's "game-state-save" functionality translate to the PS3. The ability to turn off the console and let it go into a type of hibernate mode without using any battery is arguably the best feature of the handheld. You can just keep switching it on and off and lose very little time waiting for it to come back up. I don't know if the DS does it, but I guarantee you if it doesn't it will soon. Very handy when you're on the go and can only play a few minutes at a time.

The one downside to the universal GUI of the PSP is the save functionality. Many of the games would design their own save game functionality only to have the PSP save game come up after confirming the save in the game. So you'd effectively be saving the game twice in one shot. It's quite annoying if you ask me. More of a developer problem than Sony's, but something that needs to be worked on.

Re:Hibernate (4, Informative)

Vlastyn (61832) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955584)

The DS does this as well- Was happily surprised to discover it. The thing is, game consoles these days are "always on" anyway- in power save mode, waiting for a signal from the remote to turn it on and wasting electricity. Seems like a natural evolution of sorts to have it actually offer some additional feature while it's in this state.

Re:Hibernate (1)

Dorceon (928997) | more than 7 years ago | (#15958812)

Actually I've played a DS game where closing the DS and putting it in sleep mode (at least momentarily) was required to proceed in the game. Someone in the game says, "close the lid," and you try poking the on-screen lid and it doesn't work, and then the lightbulb goes off in your head and you close the DS itself.

Re:Slow news day? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955411)

I'm betting it'll work like the Xbox 360 dashboard:

* When you put in a game disk, the dashboard will immediately load the game.

* When you turn on the console with a game inserted, the dashboard will immediately load the game, but there is a preference in the menus to turn this behavior off. (Handy if you play a lot of Xbox Live Arcade games.)

* There is a easy-to-find (software) button in the interface that can be used to run whatever media is in the drive.

* There is a (hardware) button on the controller to return to the dashboard at any time, quitting the current game.

All it's missing is the ability to run a game in a window. ;)

zonk says something nice about the ps3? (0, Redundant)

grapeape (137008) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955187)

Zonk posted something positive about the ps3? Isnt this one of the signs of the apocalypse?

The interface looks nice, the one positive about the psp so far for me is that the menu's are simple to navigate and fairly customizable. For the ps3 to have a shot at being the media hub it needs a menu that is not only pleasant to look at but easy to use with the remote as well as the controller, this looks to fit the bill nicely.

Re:zonk says something nice about the ps3? (1)

MobileTatsu-NJG (946591) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955677)

"Zonk posted something positive about the ps3? Isnt this one of the signs of the apocalypse?"

No, it's a sign that there was something mildly positive to write about on the PS3. I hate to break it to you, but Zonk's 'anti-PS3' campaign is happening throughout the web. It's not something of his invention.

Seems to confirm 1080p over component (3, Interesting)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955191)

Note that near the end of the video they scroll to select video output, and choose component - from there they are given a list of choices that looks like:

480p
1080i
720p
1080p

It's rather hard to read as the resolution of the video is low.

Now this is a dev but it shows that the PS3 at least can support this, some people seem confused and think you need HDMI for 1080p support.

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955309)

When people say you need HDMI to support 1080p they're refering to Blu-Ray movie playback, which enables content providers to gimp their movies if they're not played over HDMI. And if you say that content providers will not use this feature, at one point in time I believed that content providers would not install a root-kit onto my computer; when sales of Blu-Ray/HD-DVD movies are slow, these content providers will blame it on the Analogue Hole that is allowing for piracy.

Personally, I see it as stupid to have a console that supports 1080p currently being that I can't buy a HDTV that supports 1080p at a reasonable price, almost everyone who owns a HDTV has one that is capable of displaying 1080i or 720p, and most people who think they own an HDTV ("I bought this 42 inch LCD HDTV for $1000!") actually own an EDTV (480p). All supporting 1080p does is waste 1/2 your processing power producing pixels that people can not see.

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (1)

Sketch (2817) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955915)

> Personally, I see it as stupid to have a console that supports 1080p currently being that I can't buy a HDTV that supports 1080p at a reasonable price

How much did a HDTV that supported 720p or 1080i cost when the PS2 came out, 6 years ago? I bet most people would not have considered them reasonably priced considering the lack of content available at the time. But technology has improved and prices have come down...and people are still using PS2's, now on HDTV displays.

I seem to recall some interview where they claimed the PS3 would have a 10 year lifespan, so it's not unreasonable to assume 1080p will be commonplace well before that.

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956308)

When people say you need HDMI to support 1080p they're refering to Blu-Ray movie playback, which enables content providers to gimp their movies if they're not played over HDMI. And if you say that content providers will not use this feature, at one point in time I believed that content providers would not install a root-kit onto my computer; when sales of Blu-Ray/HD-DVD movies are slow, these content providers will blame it on the Analogue Hole that is allowing for piracy.

Since studios are selling content with the ICT flag disabled you'll be able to watch 1080i (at least) without HDMI. 1080p is more of an open question because the AACS copy protection standard for HD-DVD and Blu-Ray mandates a maximum of 1080i over analog connections, even though component can do 1080p. That doesn't matter much though since 1080i and 1080p have the same spatial resolution, and movies are not done in 1080p/60 (60 FPS) but instead are encoded in 1080p/24, so a display can recreate the whole frame from the interleaved data.

Games at 1080p were more of a question in my mind but this is a hint it might be supported over component.

Personally, I see it as stupid to have a console that supports 1080p currently being that I can't buy a HDTV that supports 1080p at a reasonable price

Actually they are around $2k - $3k now. Mind you, I have a maximum price of about $1k for a display device but that indicates the devices are getting reasonable and I'm thinking the HD units will really be pushed hard this Christmas with big discounts (pushed in part by Sony). Also while it migh tbe a few years before you or I have a true 1080p display don't forget that anyone buying a console now would like it to support that shiny new 1080p TV when they do decide to buy it a few years from now.

almost everyone who owns a HDTV has one that is capable of displaying 1080i or 720p, and most people who think they own an HDTV ("I bought this 42 inch LCD HDTV for $1000!") actually own an EDTV (480p). All supporting 1080p does is waste 1/2 your processing power producing pixels that people can not see.

Truly there is much confusion in the marketplace. But again, the value comes later when you upgrade displays, and early adoptors get to see benefits immediatley.

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (1)

DrEldarion (114072) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957494)

Actually they are around $2k - $3k now.

Lower. I got a 42" 1080p LCD for $1500 a couple months ago (killer Best Buy one-day sale) and they had a 37" for $1199 (I think) in the same sale. 1080p displays are rapidly approaching the $1k mark, if they haven't hit it already.

Thanks (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957831)

I've not been really paying attention to the whole display market, just a small segment. Thanks for the updated pricing.

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15958733)

"Personally, I see it as stupid to have a console that supports 1080p currently being that I can't buy a HDTV that supports 1080p at a reasonable price"

It would be stupid if you were buying an XBOX brand console, but the PS3 will be probably supported in and maybe after 2017... if any feature needs to be oversupported now, it's TV quality, that market is rapidly advancing.

PS3 may be very successful over it's lifespan in comparison to Wii and 360 simply because it will be useful for much longer. Will a Wii look as good as a PS3 on the TV I buy in ten years (it wouldn't look as good on the one I bought ten years ago, but still)?

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (1)

bateleur (814657) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955354)

It looked a lot like HDMI appeared in the menus too. Or did I misunderstand ? Possibly these (dev) menus don't match up with the real hardware.

HDMI there but not selected (2, Insightful)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956251)

HDMI was there (and I assume had the same video output options) - it's just that he selected teh compoent path and it still had 1080p listed.

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15956053)

Ah, yes, Captain Sony has to come out and pretend people care about the PS3 still.

No one is saying that the PS3 isn't capable of 1080p. What people are saying, and which remains as true as it ever was, is that you'll need to buy the $600 version (and NOT the "cheap" $500 version) to get this support. Otherwise at some point in the future you'll discover your PS3 is downconverting 1080p to effectively 480i.

That and the PS3 interface is amazingly boring. I've seen similar "amazing interfaces" on computer monitors. Wow, how exciting.

If that's the best "good PS3 news" you can muster, the PS3 is just as doomed as it ever was.

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (2, Funny)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957818)

Ah, yes, Captain Sony has to come out and pretend people care about the PS3 still.

I see we meet again, Captian Stick Up The Arse! I fear this time will be as unpleasant as the last for you.

If no one cares about the PS3 - how come you took the time to post? Isn't that some kind of paradox? In fact since you posted anon that represents several thousand potential posters, increasing the level of caring probability to a tremendous degree.

No one is saying that the PS3 isn't capable of 1080p. What people are saying, and which remains as true as it ever was, is that you'll need to buy the $600 version (and NOT the "cheap" $500 version) to get this support. Otherwise at some point in the future you'll discover your PS3 is downconverting 1080p to effectively 480i.

Ahh, CUSA! That would only, in theory, be true for Blu-Ray movies - IF in fact they ever turn on the ICT flag (unlikley because of the market penetration of HDMI devices thus far). The whole point of my post is that it appears you can do games at 1080p over component - 1080i games over component was never in question as I have had devices for years that do that already. So, gamers and movie watchers alike need only buy the $500 model. The $600 model is filled with fluff you do not really need, like media card readers to load your family photos in.

Once again, I have foiled your dastardly disinformation plot!

That and the PS3 interface is amazingly boring. I've seen similar "amazing interfaces" on computer monitors. Wow, how exciting.

Interfaces are better usable than "exciting". To paraphrase an ancient Chinese curse, "May you use an exciting interface".

Your attempts at Mild Sarcasm are no match for my Reality Ray!

If that's the best "good PS3 news" you can muster, the PS3 is just as doomed as it ever was.

Ironically, here you have touched on a truth - nothing you or I have said really chnages the success that the PS3 will see. You just seee things using your Arse Stick (TM) Power, whereas I can see both benefits and drawbacks of all consoles - my true name you see is Captian Clarity.

Until the next round CUSA!

Re:Seems to confirm 1080p over component (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15958157)

If no one cares about the PS3 - how come you took the time to post?

Because watching Sony kill the PS3 is fun, that's all there is to it. It's like a train wreck, you just can't stop watching.

IF in fact they ever turn on the ICT flag (unlikley because of the market penetration of HDMI devices thus far).

Bullshit. It'll be on within two years. You're forgetting that, as of now, most people don't known HDTV. Assuming HDTV takes off, HDMI will be installed in the majority of TVs, because all the new sets support HDMI. In that case, the token goes on - TV manufactorers would love to force people to buy new TVs, and studios want that extra bit of DRM.

Other case is that HDTV remains stagnent, and the PS3 fails since HD is about the only thing new it offers. In that case, Blu-ray fails anyway, so who cares about the ICT?

The $600 model is filled with fluff you do not really need, like media card readers to load your family photos in.

And old PS2 saved games. Remember the backwards compatibility bit? It's useless if I can't use my old saved games. No matter how many times you try and pretend the $500 is useful, you've yet to counter this fact: it's not useful enough for the price break. For the cost of a single PS3 games (Sony has told us that they'll cost "no more than $100"), you get an extra 40GB, HDMI, Wifi, and that ability to import old PS2 saved games. It's a no-brainer: if you're getting the PS3, you're going to spend $600 for the console.

Interfaces are better usable than "exciting". To paraphrase an ancient Chinese curse, "May you use an exciting interface".

My point was this is hardly news or even interesting. My computer monitor uses an interface that is essentially identical to the PS3 interface for selecting inputs, changing contrast, and all that good stuff. Not quite as pretty, but then again, it's also several years old.

The new interface isn't impressive in the least. And it's been the only "good news" about the PS3 since the start of E3. Too bad even with this "cool" interface, Sony is still watching formerly "exclusive" publishers announce that their exclusive PS3 titles are going to come out on other consoles.

whereas I can see both benefits and drawbacks of all consoles

Then try this on for reality:

XBox360 is roughly equivilent to the PS3 in features and graphics

XBox360 = $300
PS3 = $600

So, for half the cost, you can get a roughly equivilent console.

XBox360 = available
PS3 = to be released

For half the cost of the PS3, which isn't available yet, you can be playing HD games right now.

There's clarity for you. There's reality.

There's no reason to defend the PS3. It's already dead.

Forgetfulness (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15959826)

Because watching Sony kill the PS3 is fun, that's all there is to it. It's like a train wreck, you just can't stop watching.

How odd, the only thing that comes to mind when I think of "trainwreck" is your post! I see you most anon so you cannot be laughed at in a year or so. You'll have to live with the inner knowledge of your wrongness for years to come, I'd get off that train before it hits.

Bullshit. It'll be on within two years. You're forgetting that, as of now, most people don't known HDTV.

Indeed what you are not realizing is just how popular HDTV units have been over the past few years - and you are also discounting the effect of everyone buying $500 PS3's. If the only Blu-Ray players people have cannot do HDMI, they cannot and will not turn on the flag. Buying or not buying the $500 PS3 is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

And even if the format falls it doesn't matter, as the standalone players will be combo within two years anyway - so you're out nothing. Meanwhile you have a console that actually has a sufficent amount of storage for games.

And old PS2 saved games. Remember the backwards compatibility bit?

I see you've come stright out of the clone vat, forgetting all that has come before. You simply use an external reader to transfer those in - the $600 is for things like CF/SD readers, not PS2 memory card readers! Why would they include a meaningless legacy port?

As for WiFi, a standalone adaptor is much less than $100. Again your weak clone mind can't come up with a list that justifies paying $100 more to have the pleasure of the media companies ream you with HDMI.

My point was this is hardly news or even interesting. My computer monitor uses an interface that is essentially identical to the PS3 interface for selecting inputs, changing contrast, and all that good stuff. Not quite as pretty, but then again, it's also several years old.

You know, thos pictures move. When you watch them move you'll gasp at the utter stupidity f what you just uttered. I mean really, dd you see it in action? The menu operation is totally different than a PC menu. You must have ben thinking about the 360, the cloning solution can cloud the mind like that.

XBox360 = $300
PS3 = $600


Would you like a hard drive with that sir? Oh, you would? That's $400 for that 360 then - which includes only a DVD player. I guess you really don't get what you pay for,

Don't worry, I'm sure after they dissovle your devective clone model the next one will be better trained

Re:Forgetfulness (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15961499)

(I'm a new AC).

You just don't get it, do you?

The X-Box is $300 and you can play games on it. The minute PS3 appears on a shelf that X-Box will be $275 or even $250.

Supposing just for the sake of argument you already have a DVD player and after spending about $1000 on your setup over the last five years you're not ready to invest another $1000 just so your 15-year-old kid can get twice as much pixel definition on Britney's nipples. Suppose you're happy with your TV and you don't want IM on your console nor TiVo nor anything else but games because you're one of these poor confused mass-consumers who think of these things as games consoles.

What is Sony offering this person that's $300?

NOTHING

No one is going to pay an extra $200 for features they neither need nor want.

Also, you know what? $300 down this year and another $100 next year if I want the hard-drive is also better value in practice than $500 down now. The smart people will buy an X-Box and upgrade it only when they need to for a specific purpose.

This is Sony's mistake. It's only idiot fanboy early-adopters who think paying another $200 for the base machine is reasonable because "if they wanted all those features on X-Box it would cost the same". The mainstream adopters don't want all that stuff and they won't pay $200 for it.

X-Box has already won and you can hear from the desperation in Phil Harrison's PR scripts that Sony know it, even if you don't ... yet.

(Is this clone better trained?)

It's not a first glimpse!!! (0, Redundant)

laxcat (600727) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955248)

Ahhhh!!! Why does everyone keep saying that?! They showed off a much more robust version of the interface at E3! Three months ago! Am I the only one that remembers? With a quick search of "PS3 interface" YouTube pulls it right up as the first result [youtube.com] !

It should also be pointed out that the link in the story above is showing off the dev kit's interface, and is almost surely not what we will see in our homes in November.

Re:It's not a first glimpse!!! (1)

JebJoya (997050) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955532)

Well, it kind of is - they specifically say that it is the first direct feed of the GUI that has been OKayed by sony, so obviously better quality than filming the screen with a digital camera. Although, has to be said that the cruddy digcam vid 3 months ago was more informative than this one to me... bit boring :( Jeb

Why Do We Care? (0, Troll)

Rydia (556444) | more than 7 years ago | (#15955306)

Sure, a nice GUI is geeky and nice, but really, what's the point? The online service will have its own interface for each game, most likely. DVDs and BRDs have fixed resolutions, and I can't think of anyone that would be messing with that stuff, anyway. Most everyone has an ipod+dock or computer with their MP3s.

To paraphrase a rather successful political campaign, "It's the games, stupid."

Point is that online is same to an extent (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957861)

The online service will have its own interface for each game, most likely.

What makes you think that? The whole deal with being able to access buddy lists and the like via these common menus would be to hook up in games.

I'm sure each game will have some degree of further customization (possibly setting up games as an example) but some base level of online support is embedded in these menus as the demonstration shows.

This isn't meant to be like the PS2 where each game is totally on its own providing services. Sony has learned from Live it would seem, we don't know to what extent yet but the basics are there. As A user I don't care if it's a blantant copy if it works well.

Cool (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15955556)

Outside of my ipod the PSP offers one of the easiest and most intuitive interfaces of any of my major devices. Good move to include it with the PS3

XMB is not new (1)

demon (1039) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956206)

The XMB (cross media bar) did not originate with the PSP, contrary to what some people seem to think; the PSX (not the original PlayStation, but the Japan-only Playstation 2/DVR crossover device) was the first device to actually feature it, and it's also been used in some of Sony's higher end TV sets as their menu system.

Not my favorite GUI (1)

monopole (44023) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956614)

Having a PSP, I'm rather disenchanted with the GUI. It strikes me as a bad case of too elegant design. While the buttons make sense and are rather consistent, I find them counter intuitive and keep cancelling out menu choices. Mainly a problem of too few buttons.

Good concept, bad visual design (1)

MeanQuestion (878758) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957207)

I own a PSP and I think the 2D menu system is a great idea (left and right change catagories, up and down choose specific options). It looks cool and saves you keystokes.

What I don't understand is why Sony can't make something a little more flashy with that same concept in mind. If I'm spending $600 dollars on a console to go with my new sound system and HDTV, I want a menu system I can ogle at.

$500, check out links above (1)

SuperKendall (25149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957899)

The base PS3 for gamers and those wanting to watch Blu-Ray movies is $500, you do not need the $600 model unless you'd like to be able to load pictures from your camera on the thing. It's more the "basic home computer" model.

As for a bit more visual appeal in the iterface, check out the E3 video links posted elesewhere undre this story. That was a later version of the same interface, and has a nice but subtle line of flowing plasma like effects behind the menu. Also of course they said you could customize the background, but the one at E3 looked finished enough to include in a shipping PS3.

Meh (1)

webheaded (997188) | more than 7 years ago | (#15959989)

I'm really not that impressed with this GUI, because I was honestly expecting a little more from a $600 gaming system. Sure, it works fine for the PSP, but I expected it to have a little more flare...you know...flex that PS3 hardware muscle a little bit. What's the point of all that raw power if all you do with it is some half assed little menu of icons. They should probably take a page out of Microsoft's book and get something going like the XBOX 360 Dashboard. I'm not a big XBOX fan, but it looks great, it is customizeable, Sony obviously has no qualms following other companies, and I'll be the first to admit that I don't mind it looking a bit flashy. I mean god...put SOME effort into it and don't use the exact same interface you have on the PSP...its a mobile gaming system...its supposed to be simple. PS3 is a $600 dollar "computer" and it the GUI should reflect this.

More like OSX (1)

dafing (753481) | more than 7 years ago | (#15960306)

Surely they could have this, bar, but perhaps something like the dock in OSX too? Christ, with one core disabled by default due to low yields, and then they have one whole cored dedicated to ....that bar? Wheres the sex Sony? Just no junk like the PS2 menus, how they had the cross sort of thing floating around, in blurred out or sharp detail.

Japenese History (1)

Cocoshimmy (933014) | more than 7 years ago | (#15960810)

And it even encorporates real battles from japanese history such as the giant crab!!

RIIIIDGE RACER!!!

Sony E3 Press Conference [gamespot.com]
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