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Friendster Back from the Dead?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the brains? dept.

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garzpacho writes "With a fresh infusion of $10 million in funding, Friendster is making a bid to rejoin the social networking A-list. The cash, from VC firm DAG Ventures, accompanies plans for a complete project redesign, a focus on adult users and a newly awarded patent for social networking. A real comeback might be unlikely, though: 'Turnaround stories for companies that draw on advanced Web technology known collectively as Web 2.0 remain unprecedented, says David Sze, a general partner at Greylock who specializes in consumer Internet companies but does not invest in Friendster. Still, Sze says Friendster doesn't need to have a MySpace-size traffic explosion to turn a profit. Says Sze in an e-mail, 'If those users are reasonably valuable and monetizable, I think [investors] can make money on their investment.''"

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91 comments

Yeah, but (1)

mclaincausey (777353) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956088)

all the fake photos I need are on Myspace!

Re:Yeah, but (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15956370)

everyone is already at myspace/facebook. they need a strong base first

and as myspace would say to them: "all your base are belong to us."

not much hope

MOD ME UP +5, FUNNY! (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15956095)

MOD ME UP +5, FUNNY!

Re:MOD ME UP +5, FUNNY! (-1, Offtopic)

sarcasticfrench (949383) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956504)

Dude, you have to say something funny first.

Friendster.. I remember them. (2, Funny)

demonic-halo (652519) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956121)

I still have an account on there. I really like their birthday reminders, lets me know which friends to avoid so I don't end up having to buy them birthday gifts.

Please come back. Please. We miss you. Please.. (3, Funny)

SuperBanana (662181) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956316)

I still have an account on there. I really like their birthday reminders

I get a kick out of Friendster because I get emails saying I haven't logged in "in a while" and how great it would be if I logged in. Friends get the same emails, and we all ignore them, because friendster had/has nothing to offer beyond a popularity contest. I grew out of worrying how MANY friends I had years ago.

We agreed it was like a desperate ex...popping up every once in a while, telling you how nice it'd be to hear from you...

Re:Please come back. Please. We miss you. Please.. (1, Funny)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956602)

I grew out of worrying how MANY friends I had years ago.


Judging from your UID, that would have been 3 or 4 years ago then?

Re:Please come back. Please. We miss you. Please.. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15956634)

Does that mean Taco has never had friends?

The whole slashdot phenomenon suddenly makes sense.

Re:Please come back. Please. We miss you. Please.. (1)

achacha (139424) | more than 7 years ago | (#15958687)

I have done my best to keep my friends list at 0 for a while on friendster... and I hope it stays that way, I am anti-popularity and less I use it the better my chances!

Re:Friendster.. I remember them. (1)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956965)

I think they'll make a comeback, now that Colbert is pimping BlackFriendster on his nightly comedy show.

Re:Friendster.. I remember them. (1)

LifeWithJustin (969206) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957669)

Comedy show?? Shug ! I thought that was news ! :P

Re:Friendster.. I remember them. (0, Offtopic)

From A Far Away Land (930780) | more than 7 years ago | (#15958277)

Actually his show is more newsy than most 6:00 broadcasts in the States. You get World news, interesting events, and facts. And I'm not talking only the Wikipedia "facts" that he strews about, but his journalism exceeds most legitimate non-comdey newscasters. And he's involving the blogsophere and "netizens" in his broadcasts too, which is a clever move.

He could have a bazillion friends on a social networking site, and put the horde to good use. Perhaps by telling them to all vote independent next elections, because that's what the Bears wouldn't want.

Windows 3.1 making a comeback as well (2, Insightful)

xintegerx (557455) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956128)

Why buy Windows every year when you can buy Windows 3.1 on eBay for the cheap? It has everything except DirectX for games, or the ability to run .NET and Office 2003 applications, but so does Linux.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBNBQRXvkps [youtube.com]

(This is a joke)

Don't knock Windows 3.1 (1)

Dareth (47614) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957180)

I used a Windows 3.1 machine not so long ago. Machine itself was slow, but it was interesting to note that it was damn responsive to user inputs. Did we forget something that we once knew?

Re:Don't knock Windows 3.1 (1)

Korin43 (881732) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957969)

Turn off all of the spiffy visual effects in Windows XP, remove all the useless programs that run in the background but you don't use, and uninstall your bloated antivirus and you'll find that your computer runs just as well as that old Win 3.1 box.

oi! (0)

supabeast! (84658) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956151)

hey DAG Ventures, 1999 called, they want their stupid investors back!

Re:oi! (1)

OctoberSky (888619) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956238)

I'll admit he isn't my favorite comedian, but there is no reason to call David Allen Grier stupid.

Friendster making a comback... (1)

Kenja (541830) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956154)

Friendster making a comback, but so are discos.

They're going to have a hard time (1)

virtuald (996377) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956160)

The problem with ANY new or 're-established' "web 2.0" social networking site is that the existing ones are firmly entrenched, and theres not a big reason to switch to a different one if all your friend are already on the one you have.

They're going to have to do something different and unique to get noticed, otherwise they have a snowball's chance in hell of making it work. :)

Re:They're going to have a hard time (3, Funny)

ConsumerOfMany (942944) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956232)

All they have to do is call it Frienstr. Once you lose the e at the end, its web 2.0 gold.

Re:They're going to have a hard time (2)

virtuald (996377) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956296)

Don't forget about adding a 'beta' to the end of the name as well. Also, integrating an AJAX-driven GUI will help them incentivize dynamic value from their resulting rss-driven communities.

(thanks to the Web 2.0 bullshit generator [emptybottle.org] )

Re:They're going to have a hard time (1)

kryogen1x (838672) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956668)

...and theres not a big reason to switch to a different one if all your friend are already on the one you have.

In 2006 AD, social network war was beginning.
Friendster: We get signal, main screen turn on.
MySpace: How are you gentlemen! All your friend are belong to us!

What you say!? (1)

Peter Trepan (572016) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956951)

No way; Friendster has totally set them up the bomb. MySpace has no chance to survive, so they might as well make their time.

Re:They're going to have a hard time (1)

Opie812 (582663) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957415)

...if all your friend are already on the one you have.

Typically, I would think this was a grammatical error of some sort, but around slashdot I tend to think you're probably correct.

Re:They're going to have a hard time (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15957595)

It is still a gramatical error. Verbs must agree in number with their subjects. Thus all your friend is... would be correct.

Re:They're going to have a hard time (1)

virtuald (996377) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957980)

No, I translated it in and out of English using a program. :p

Re:They're going to have a hard time (1)

kintarowins (820651) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957948)

Take it from a young idiot with a bunch of young idiot friends that all have accounts on every social networking site. Every teenager will sign up for it and half of the idiots will click the links to download ringtone's for their phones, and other crap. It is the easiest way to make a buck.

I get invites from retards all over the place that I meet, for myspace, bebo, ringo, hi5, all that useless crap. Then eventually poor sods like me sign up accounts hoping the invites go away. Then you just get spammed daily with people wanting to have a picture of you show on their profile as if your actually their friend.

When I grow up and stop masturbating five times a day, hold down a stable relationship, and have children they will be grounded from these sites for the misbehavior of being born. Really! Social Networking have made it easier for rapists than ever before! Just say your some sweet guy to some girl in the next town who doesn't know your actually the alienated fuck of a high school that got expelled and never had a girlfriend then meet the girl, who's dipshit parents love the idea of modern relationships formed on the Internet (I grew up with parents like this) and think its actually a good thing... and you have yourself some pussy (I hope I don't get charges as an accessory for something, because this is Slashdot after all).

These sites attract everyone, because we can't get them out of our faces. They are always there, they are always spamming us with invites, and they are always bothering us with advertising. When all else fails they will just let you download a free song from Idiot-Tunes in the same time it takes me to get an album off piratebay.

The thing all these sites appeal for is teenage bordem, there are millions of dumbed down youth out there with nothing better to do but post on myspace and bebo all day. I know this because I have even got so bored as to offend every obese girl which I could find on a profile... oh and this was through my "Friends Network." Wonderful fucking friend I am.

Blah. (2, Funny)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956163)

If I get hold of a once-marketable name, slap some "Web 2.0" style buzzwords on it, and do some patent-trolling, can I have $10 million in venture capital too?

Re:Blah. (3, Insightful)

Red Flayer (890720) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956283)

If I get hold of a once-marketable name, slap some "Web 2.0" style buzzwords on it, and do some patent-trolling, can I have $10 million in venture capital too?
Yes. Yes you can. In the last version it was all ".com" and "web" and "online." Now it's Web 2.0. There's a sucker born every minute, and apparently some of those suckers are too young to remember the 90s.

Re:Blah. (1)

shark72 (702619) | more than 7 years ago | (#15958055)

"There's a sucker born every minute, and apparently some of those suckers are too young to remember the 90s."

Trouble is, some of those suckers made lots and lots of money.

Yahoo! and Fox are apparently satisfied with their purchases of Flickr and MySpace. Sometimes it's a win-win.

Re:Blah. (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956590)

Too bad you can't register 0.com. I'd love to have web2.0.com as my site...

Re:Blah. (1)

ImTheDarkcyde (759406) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956775)

what, did they change their name to Friendstr?

Re:Blah. (1)

Pollardito (781263) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956805)

all the resurrections seem to happen with *ster names too (e.g. napster, friendster), maybe someone should get the hint that every *ster name needs to be resurrected. or like you said maybe now is the time to snap up robster.com, completely fail at running it, and then ask for money to resurrect it.

Between the lines: (3, Insightful)

theCat (36907) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956167)

"With our patent on social networking, we really don't need traffic at all. Maybe just enough to have a claim to *be* a valid site so that we can extort... erm... exercise our patent rights with actual... erm... other social networks that have beat us to the... erm... violated our intellectual property at the expense of our feckless... erm... creative leadership."

Re:Between the lines: (2, Interesting)

colmore (56499) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956376)

This is an interesting software patent case.

If we're going on the assumption that *any* software is patentable (I don't believe this, but the courts do, so that's where we are) then web software in particular is problematic. Where does software design end and business plan begin? Friendster seems as close as web software gets to the 19th century idea of "by twiddling this pressure valve my mill is 80% more efficient" patent. There might be precedents, obviously other sites have allowed users to make connections with other users before, but the main idea of having those connections and a profile be the PRIMARY feature of the site does strike me as innovative. In early 2003 if you were in a community that latched onto friendster (I was hanging around with a bunch of New York City collegiate hipsters) it definitely had the feel of something brand new.

Of course it also illustrates the problem with software patents. Friendster had a good idea and a brief monopoly by being first, but they ignored feature requests, failed to upgrade their servers as demand increased, and dropped the ball in a number of other ways. They lost their market share fair and square to newer and better sites -- their users mostly moved to facebook, and a newer younger market took up myspace -- had they had an enforceable patent at the time, this competition wouldn't have occured. I think it's hard to take an objective stance and say that a patent would have helped the market here.

Re:Between the lines: (1)

HoboMaster (639861) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956658)

Patents aren't ever good for the market in a specific instance. Patents are only good for the market as a whole, as they provide incentive for people to innovate, since any invention gives them exclusivity. Exclusivity is bad once things are already there though, because it stops other companies from emulating that innovation at a lower cost or higher quality. Patent law is a tradeoff we make for the long-term benefits.

Re:Between the lines: (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15957933)

It's US Patent #7,069,308 -- and it's not for just for the software. They could theoretically try to block ALL social network analysis software, which is ridiculous, because much of it pre-dates Friendster. Not to mention that their patent cites Stanley Milgram as the founder of SNA, which he isn't -- modern SNA really dates from Jacob Moreno in the early thirties.

Re:Between the lines: (1)

pete6677 (681676) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957802)

Yep, that's what I was thinking when I read about that "venture capital" they received. Someone is investing in the soon to be filed lawsuit against myspace. Friendster's schysters will argue that myspace "stole their IP" and now they want a bunch of money from the myspace owners. Like they say: those that can, do, and those that can't, sue.

MySpace (1)

EvilEddie (243404) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956168)

MySpace will crush this pretty quick...

I see this comeback being about as successful as the Napseter comeback.

Lack of interest. (2, Interesting)

jellomizer (103300) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956172)

I think I was speak for most slashdotters with "Meh". I am still hoping for Pets.com to get back with Web 2.0.

Re:Lack of interest. (2, Interesting)

mmkkbb (816035) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956436)

It isn't pets.com [boo.com] but it's close.

Re:Lack of interest. (1)

RRRobotHouse (949354) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956513)

Yeah, I hope they leverage core synergies while aggregating horizontal darknets.

Monetizable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15956190)

The internet bubble called. They want their marketingspeak back.

John McCain: Beltway Bandit +1, Patriotic (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15956191)

I need to tell you a little about how John McCain is a bacillus in the self-satisfied gut of absolutism. And so I shall. What follows is a set of observations I have made about what I call contemptuous polluters.

McCain is the type of person that turns up his nose at people like you and me. I guess that's because we haven't the faintest notion about the things that really matter, such as why it would be good for him to make incorrect leaps of logic. On rare occasions, in order to preserve their liberties, sometimes people must nail people to trees. McCain does that even when his liberties aren't being threatened. The term "idiot savant" comes to mind when thinking of him. Admittedly, that term applies only halfway to him, which is why I claim that it seems that no one else is telling you that the hysteria and witch-hunts fueled by McCain's diatribes will twist my words six ways for Sunday as soon as our backs are turned. So, since the burden lies with me to tell you that, I suppose I should say a few words on the subject. To begin with, my love for people necessitates that I fight the warped, distorted, misshapen, unwholesome monstrosity that McCain's plaints have become. Yes, I face opposition from McCain. However, this is not a reason to quit but to strive harder. McCain's behavior might be different if he were told that addlepated yahoos thrive on hatred rather than love. Of course, as far as McCain's concerned, this fact will fall into the category of, "My mind is made up; don't confuse me with the facts." That's why I'm telling you that he has two imperatives. The first is to twist our entire societal valuation of love and relationships beyond all insanity. The second imperative is to control what we do and how we do it.

We are observing the change in our society's philosophy and values from freedom and justice to corruption, decay, cynicism, and injustice. All of these "values" are artistically incorporated in one person: John McCain. It is disgraceful that, with a wink and a smile, he has signified his approval of frowzy, pigheaded parvenus who create an ideological climate that will enable him to delegitimize our belief systems and replace them with a counter-hegemony that seeks to provide cover for a jealous agenda.

Most of us who have been around for a while realize that McCain acts as if he were King of the World. This hauteur is astonishing, staggering, and mind-boggling. All of these things are related: absenteeism, McCain's warnings, and the general breakdown of our society. I'll even tell you how they're related. It's really very simple. In essence, McCain maintains that he can absorb mana by devouring his nemeses' brains. This is hardly the case. Rather, there is growing evidence that says, to the contrary, that once one begins thinking about free speech, about rotten, reckless toughies who use ostracism and public opinion to prevent the airing of views contrary to their own smarmy beliefs, one realizes that he is trying to brainwash us. He wants us to believe that it's irresponsible to uplift individuals and communities on a global scale to educate the public on a range of issues; that's boring; that's not cool. You know what I think of that, don't you? I think that if we fight to the end for our ideas and ideals, then the sea of snobbism, on which McCain so heavily relies, will begin to dry up.

If there's a rule, and McCain keeps making exceptions to that rule, then what good is the rule? I mean, for McCain's cocky plans to succeed, he needs to "dumb down" our society. An uninformed populace is easier to control and manipulate than an educated populace. By the end of the decade, schoolchildren will stop being required to learn the meanings of words like "overintellectualization" and "unextinguishableness". They will be incapable of comprehending that McCain's tracts are like a Hydra. They continually acquire new heads and new strength. The only way to stunt their growth is to focus on the major economic, social, and political forces that provide the setting for the expression of a larcenous agenda. The only way to destroy his Hydra entirely is to provide more people with the knowledge that if you read McCain's writings while mentally out of focus, you may get the sense that this is the best of all possible worlds and that McCain is the best of all possible people. But if you read his writings while mentally in focus and weigh each point carefully, it's clear that even if one is opposed to treacherous denominationalism (and I am), then surely, his notions are destructive. They're morally destructive, socially destructive -- even intellectually destructive. And, as if that weren't enough, in order to win the culture war and save this country, we must reinvigorate our collective commitment to building and maintaining a sensitive, tolerant, and humane community. And that's just the first step. Remember, McCain maliciously defames and damagingly misrepresents everyone and everything around him. There's a word for that: libel.

McCain does not tolerate any view that differs from his own. Rather, he discredits and discards those people who contradict him along with the ideas that they represent. I leave open the question of the extent to which this discussion could be applied to gin-swilling bigamists. That shouldn't surprise you when you consider that he maintains that either black is white and night is day or that the Queen of England heads up the international drug cartel. McCain denies any other possibility. We must weed out people like McCain who have deceived, betrayed, and exploited us. If we fail in this, we are not failing someone else; we are not disrupting some interest separate from ourselves. Rather, it is we who suffer when we neglect to observe that there is a format McCain should follow for his next literary endeavor. It involves a topic sentence and supporting facts. Assume for a moment that thanks to him, our national and individual sovereignty is fluttering precariously in the wind. It therefore follows that the public is like a giant that he has blindfolded, drugged, and gagged. This giant has plugs in his ears and McCain leads him around by the nose. Clearly, such a giant needs to study the problem and recommend corrective action. That's why I feel obligated to notify the giant (i.e., the public) that were he alive today, Hideki Tojo would be McCain's most trustworthy ally. I can see Tojo joining forces with McCain to help him paralyze any serious or firm decision and thereby become responsible for the weak and half-hearted execution of even the most necessary measures.

McCain and others of his ilk are symbols of pudibund racialism. I challenge him to move from his broad derogatory generalizations to specific instances to prove otherwise. Let me mention again that from the fog and mist of his homilies rises the leering grimace of particularism. For proof of this fact, I must point out that he would have us believe that my bitterness at him is merely the latent projection of libidinal energy stemming from self-induced anguish. Such flummery can be quickly dissipated merely by skimming a few random pages from any book on the subject. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Of course, if McCain had learned anything from history, he'd know that I wish that one of the innumerable busybodies who are forever making "statistical studies" about nonsense would instead make a statistical study that means something. For example, I'd like to see a statistical study of McCain's capacity to learn the obvious. Also worthwhile would be a statistical study of how many egocentric poseurs realize that we mustn't let McCain drag men out of their beds in the dead of night and castrate them. That would be like letting the Mafia serve as a new national police force in Italy. McCain keeps telling everyone within earshot that courtesy and manners don't count for anything. I'm guessing that McCain read that on some Web site of dubious validity. More reliable sources generally indicate that his hirelings all look like him, think like him, act like him, and reward mediocrity, just like McCain does. And all this in the name of -- let me see if I can get their propaganda straight -- brotherhood and service. Ha!

McCain's fierce passions and fiendish cunning, combined with abnormal powers of intellect, with intense vitality, and with a persistency of purpose which the world has rarely seen, and whetted moreover by a keen thirst for blood engendered by defeat and subjection, combine to make him the deadly enemy of all mankind, while his pompous campaigns contribute to inflame his wild lust of pelf, and to justify the crimes suggested by spite and superstition. Before you declare me clueless, let me assert that I have often maintained that reasonable people can reasonably disagree. Unfortunately, when dealing with McCain and his cohorts, that claim assumes facts not in evidence. So let me claim instead that I am intellectually honest enough to admit my own previous ignorance in that matter. I only wish that McCain had the same intellectual honesty. In particular, he thinks it would be a great idea to conduct business in a fastidious, catty way. Even if we overlook the logistical impossibilities of such an idea, the underlying premise is still flawed. This is a lesson for those with eyes to see. It is a lesson not so much about McCain's rambunctious behavior, but about the way that McCain's planning to exploit issues such as the global economic crisis and the increase in world terrorism in order to instigate planet-wide chaos. Planet-wide chaos is his gateway to global tyranny, which will in turn enable him to drive us into a state of apoplexy.

Some critics have called McCain obnoxious. A handful insist he's cheeky. His advocates, on the other hand, consider him to be one of the great minds of this century. He has been known to "prove" statistically that the few of us who complain regularly about his hastily mounted campaigns are simply spoiling the party. As you might have suspected, his proof is flawed. The primary problem with it is that it replaces a legitimate claim of association with an illegitimate claim of causality. Consequently, McCain's "proof" demonstrates only that mawkish deadheads demand the advantages other people have earned without the disadvantages, like having to earn them. Once we realize that, what do we do? The appropriate thing, in my judgment, is to tell you a little bit about McCain and his tactless scribblings. I say that because the objection may still be raised that we can stop racism merely by permitting government officials entrée into private homes to search for uneducated extremists. At first glance, this sounds almost believable. Yet the following must be borne in mind: Statements like, "For all of his professed concern for human rights, McCain has yet to take a firm and unambiguous stand against those ill-bred misers who demonize my family and friends" accurately express the feelings of most of us here. If you've read any of the gormless slop that McCain has concocted, you'll decidedly recall McCain's description of his plan to encourage individuals to disregard other people, to become fully self-absorbed. If you haven't read any of it, well, all you really need to know is that if McCain can overawe and befuddle a sufficient number of prominent individuals, then it will become virtually impossible for anyone to solve the problems that are important to most people. Sure, he can fabulize about how the rest of us are an inferior group of people, fit only to be enslaved, beaten, and butchered at the whim of our betters. That doesn't change the fact that there is a simple answer to the question of what to do about his orations. The difficult part is in implementing the answer. The answer is that we must face our problems realistically, get to the root of our problems, and be determined to solve them.

Viewing all this from a higher vantage point, we can see that McCain would have us believe that trees cause more pollution than automobiles do. That, of course, is nonsense, total nonsense. But McCain is surrounded by poxy, truculent stumblebums who parrot the same nonsense, which is why if I have a bias, it is only against immoralism-oriented pissants who discredit legitimate voices in the neopaganism debate. I may be beating a dead horse here, but I do want to point out that his opinion is that he's merely trying to make this world a better place in which to live. Of course, opinions are like sphincters: we all have them. So let me tell you my opinion. My opinion is that it's only rational to think, "McCain is becoming ever more audacious in his unappeasable hatred of us". If you don't believe me, see for yourself. Now, more than ever, we must see through the haze of expansionism. I would like to close by saying that it is hard to ignore the impact of John McCain's misconduct on our children, our culture, and our national character.

Patriotically,
Kilgore Trout

Re:John McCain: Beltway Bandit +1, Patriotic (1)

HoboMaster (639861) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956674)

I hope somebody sets fire to you for posting this shit.

Furthermore: (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15957388)


The North Vietnamese would have done U.S. "democracy" a favor had they shipped McCain to the Soviet Union .

McCain is nothing more , nothing less than a drone for the world's most dangerous "leader" [whitehouse.org] .

Have a day,

Kilgore

Re:John McCain: Beltway Bandit +1, Patriotic (1)

Don853 (978535) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957311)

What's the site that automatically generates these? I refuse to believe that you actually wrote all of this.

How long until? (4, Insightful)

shr3k (451065) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956207)

How long until we have a repeat of the IM wars? One network is going to want to be compatible with another network, but can't because that network won't open up its protocols. One network might even join forces and share compatibility with other networks (e.g., Friendster, Facebook) to take on one giant, established network (Myspace).

Hopefully, someone will come out with some kind of meta-network that lets me join each network and keeps up-to-date a basic compatibility (e.g., like GAIM and Trillian do for IM).

Re:How long until? (2, Informative)

generic-man (33649) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956398)

AIM is to Jabber [jabber.org] as Friendster is to XFN [gmpg.org] . Like Jabber, XFN would work great if anyone actually used it.

Re:How long until? (1)

dominion (3153) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957085)


I've actually been working on just that. An open source social networking project that's distributed, called Appleseed [sourceforge.net] .

We have two test sites, and we're just starting to get into the distributed part (single sign-ons, cross-site communication, P2P searches, etc).

People Aggregator (1)

chocolatetrumpet (73058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957173)

You're looking for People Aggregator [peopleaggregator.com] .

Re:How long until? (1)

sootman (158191) | more than 7 years ago | (#15958166)

How long until we have a repeat of the IM wars? One network is going to want to be compatible with another network, but can't because that network won't open up its protocols. One network might even join forces and share compatibility with other networks (e.g., Friendster, Facebook) to take on one giant, established network (Myspace).

Anyone want to make a real-time strategy game out of this?

Re:How long until? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15960751)

Hopefully, someone will come out with some kind of meta-network

Yeah, that would be nice..

The whole "social network" term is kind of overused, though .. maybe, for branding purposes, we could refer to this meta-network as a "web" instead. And since we'd like the whole world to join this "web", let's call it the "world wide web". Yeah! We could set it up so that literally any page could link to any other! Wow, that would be cool, huh?

Eh .. never mind, it'll never happen. ;-P

Make money?How? (1)

in2mind (988476) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956219)

Sze says Friendster doesn't need to have a MySpace-size traffic explosion to turn a profit. Says Sze in an e-mail, 'If those users are reasonably valuable and monetizable, I think [investors] can make money on their investment

How exactly are they going to make money?
With those googleads like ads they got there??
http://www.friendster.com/ [friendster.com]

Friendster is great, but (3, Interesting)

drgroove (631550) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956230)

Friendster is great, but, though I personally traffic it more than MySpace, I'll never pay to use it (or allow myself to be nickel-and-dimed for using features within it), nor will I click on any ads featured within it. Frankly, I don't see how monetization of Friendster is possible; even those of my colleagues who are "hard core" Friendster users (i.e., visiting the site daily, frequent message/picture posting, etc) have no intention of paying for the service. Too many free options exist outside of Friendster for this approach to be successful; users will simply flock to the next "free" (as in beer) social networking service should Friendster become too heavily monetized.

I think they're doomed.

Myspace buys friendster? (1)

daftcyborg (996672) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956267)

why doesn't myspace just buy friendster? They can afford it and friendster is cheap. It would also save me and others the trouble of managing yet another social networking profile. ==== Glogger Community http://glogger.eyetap.org/ [eyetap.org]

*IF* hahahaha (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15956282)

This line is golden: "If those users are reasonably valuable and monetizable"

Key word there being "IF" users are monetizable. In other words, they don't know how to make money off them, but if they did, they'd be rolling in dough.

Thanks for the laugh VCs.

OpenDNS issues (1)

nFriedly (628261) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956307)

is anybody else who uses OpenDNS having trouble visiting http://www.businessweek.com/ [businessweek.com] ?

Re:OpenDNS issues (1)

nFriedly (628261) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956333)

seems fixed now...

That's the first time I've seen any trouble with open dns.

It's possible... (1)

B11 (894359) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956331)

I think they might pull it off if they offered some sort of niche social networking, maybe for adults/woring professionals past college age that could use social networking tools without all the crap and creepiness found on myspace. I would use something like that.

Re:It's possible... (1)

swid27 (869237) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956444)

Facebook seems to be evolving in that direction quite nicely.

Re:It's possible... (1)

$1uck (710826) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956822)

I think this niche is already covered. LinkedIn?

Monetizable? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15956403)

If those users are reasonably valuable and monetizable

That's not a very cromulent word.

Mot much of a chance (1)

NineNine (235196) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956423)

These silly social networking sites are like bars: there's very little that the owner can do to make it "cool". Whether it's "cool" or not is largely determined by the mob mentality of their customers and inertia. It's unlikely that Friendster will make any kind of significant comeback. MySpace has too much inertia, and if it truly is social, then people want to hang out where their friends already do.

Re:Mot much of a chance (1)

unother (712929) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957135)

I don't think so.

Personally I think the move is right (and I had been advocating it informally for some time). Friendster should concentrate on "adults" (AKA 25+) as MySpace is quite the annoying kid-world sometimes; and furthermore, is so addled with marketing that older people would be frankly turned off by it. Not to mention if they don't focus on being THE site, they avoid the quite obvious traffic and scalability issues MySpace is constantly plagued with.

I applaud the move and it makes sense. I know from personal experience that everyone older I know has a Friendster profile and a MySpace profile. It's the younger set (under 25) that have no Friendster profile, and many don't even know it exists...

Jobs (1)

jimmyCarter (56088) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956426)

They seem to be hiring again [crunchboard.com] . If you enjoy a real challenge and have the skill-set..

Social Network Sites Suck (0)

cerebud (868302) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956476)

MySpace and Friendster are so lame. Everybody's space looks so amature and the dicussions are insipid. Please, for the future of humanity, at least pick up the phone for a real conversation.

Friendster *can* buy popularity. (1)

Peter Trepan (572016) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956533)

They can do what MySpace did, and pay 100,000 girls a hundred bucks each to pretend that they are "bi."

hyperventilating over patents (1)

supertex2000 (997089) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956680)

The patent drafter can say anything he wants in the description, like "a system in accordance with the present invention includes a computer and a keyboard", but the only rights the owner gets are in the claims. Friendster's patent rights amount to (every word in this must be present in a competitor's product in order to successfully sue for infringement - caveat...not considering doctrine of equivalents): 1. In a computer system including a server computer and a database of registered users that stores for each registered user, a user ID of the registered user and a set of user IDs of registered users who are directly connected to the registered user, a method for connecting a first registered user to a second registered user through one or more other registered users, the method comprising the steps of: setting a maximum degree of separation (Nmax) of at least two that is allowed for connecting any two registered users, wherein two registered users who are directly connected are deemed to be separated by one degree of separation and two registered users who are connected through no less than one other registered user are deemed to be separated by two degrees of separation and two registered users who are connected through no less than N other registered users are deemed to be separated by N+1 degrees of separation; searching for the user ID of the second registered user in the sets of user IDs that are stored for registered users who are less than Nmax degrees of separation away from the first registered user, and not in the sets of user IDs that are stored for registered users who are greater than or equal to Nmax degrees of separation away from the first registered user, until the user ID of the second registered user is found in one of the searched sets; and connecting the first registered user to the second registered user if the user ID of the second registered user is found in one of the searched sets, wherein the method limits the searching of the second registered user in the sets of user IDs that are stored for registered users who are less than Nmax degrees of separation away from the first registered user, such that the first registered user and the second registered user who are separated by more than Nmax degrees of separation are not found and connected.

I can't wait... (1)

jo42 (227475) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956682)

...until this Web 2.0, 'social', {insert more buzzwords here} crap fad is over.

Unfortunately, something even more lame and stupid will probably replace it...

Sigh.

Note to Self: (1)

ewhac (5844) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956779)

...plans for a complete project redesign, a focus on adult users and a newly awarded patent for social networking. [emphasis mine]

That reminds me -- I need to delete my Friendster account.

I shouldn't be hesitant about it; after all, Friendster has done exactly zilch for me. But I worry that my dropping out might negatively impact, even a little bit, the social networks of my friends, particularly those who joined at my invitation. Still, I cannot abide that my social network is being used to further an unconscionable power grab via an illicit "patent." So the account's going to have to get killed sooner or later...

Schwab

PHP wasn't silver bullet? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15957574)

...plans for a complete project redesign, a focus on adult users and a newly awarded patent for social networking. [emphasis mine] That reminds me -- I need to delete my Friendster account.

Wasnt this the site that gained a bunch of hoopla when they rewrote it PHP? And according to other posts on this list they are still having problems? And they are rewriting it *again*? Someone's eating crow here methinks...

http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/002150.htm l [zawodny.com]

Tip to developers: Steer clear of the consultant who tells you "oh, it's appserver X that's the reason why our performance sucks, we'll port it to Appserver Y and everything will be smashing!"

Web 2.0 Garbage (1)

x3nos (773066) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956970)

Humph! They added AJAX controls to the frontpage, added vids, blogs, blah, blah - not impressed.

Just because it used AJAX, ATLAS, .NET 2.0 or any of the "new" technologies doesn't mean anything. It's still going to be bottom-barrel internet fodder. The idea of social networking and reputation driven sites have been around for ages (look at /.)

The question then is this: do social networking communities or even reputation servers in the longrun do anything for anyone, except in small specialized communites (like bushmen tribes in the Australia and maybe even slashdot), or in the case of commerce; i.e. Google, Ebay, Amazon, etc?

All attempts I have seen outside of this, Friendster or dare I mention Orkut, have failed. I do recall seeing quite a bit of activity from west coast users however on sites like Tribes, but again these were activity based groups that had RL connections. Again, I look to the idea that like most social based networks, unless united by a common and specialized purpose tend to fall apart. And we wonder why world peace seems so far away.

a new social network site (1, Offtopic)

jetpeach (704759) | more than 7 years ago | (#15956984)

Please don't consider this spam, because it really IS relevant - a friend of mine has started a very slick new social networking site, uses CSS, has RSS feeds, IM chat similar to Gmail... The feature set is really amazing, it's got feature parity or better with every social networking site I've ever seen and evite and blogging, has unlimited photo sharing, and does email as well. It's called Zoji [zoji.com] , please check it out before you mod this.
Here is the About Us [zoji.com] page. He considers it really "pre-launch" still because he's waiting before advertising and a real media push until he adds some more really cool stuff that's coming (development is Fast), but if you want to check it out give some feedback, this is my profile page [zoji.com] and they have a to give the developers feedback. [zoji.com]
Maybe someday it will get posted on the frontpage of /. that'll the day for Dan :)

Re:a new social network site (1)

RembrandtX (240864) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957030)

cool .. first in line for IP enforcement.

Re:a new social network site (1)

jetpeach (704759) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957063)

May I ask what IP enforcement is?

Re:a new social network site (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15957448)

It's your friend up against the wall and an army of lawyers demanding he dance for them before his life is destroyed.

Imagine ... (1)

Cyburbia (695748) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957203)

a Beowulf cluster of friends!

Wanna compete with myspace? (3, Interesting)

British (51765) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957216)

It's easy, Friendster, just do what your competitors can't do.

1. Quit having unexpected errors every 10 minutes
2. Actual search functions that allow exact matches, etc. Not a fake search engine that returns everything.
3. No huge influx of Brazilian users
4. Don't allow customization of pages to the point of saturating a T1 connection upon viewing.
5. Actual active moderators(in message boards, etc).
6. No spyware-deploying ads.
7. No private profiles. No purpose of a private profile on a social networking site.
8. No orkut-like invite system. No new user filtration like facebook has.
9. And the big one: no spambots allowed. Captchas, ACTIVE IP banning, and numerous other defenses. Myspace is losing the war on this.

If Friendster can set a solid ground with doing the above, maybe they can get some converts from those who are tired of myspace's problems.

Re:Wanna compete with myspace? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15957421)

"7. No private profiles. No purpose of a private profile on a social networking site."

Prepare to be maimed by all the irresponsible parents and clueless legislators of the world who think MySpace is a breeding ground for sexual predators and should therefore be held responsible for anything unfortunate which happens to befall any unsupervised and/or unintelligent children who create a profile and end up getting molested.

I wish parents would start taking some responsibility and stop trying to blame MySpace for these occurrences. I mean, that would be like suing McDonald's because you spilled a cup of their hot coffee all over yourse--ah, screw it.

Anyway, I believe MySpace users should have the ability to make their profiles private if they want (which they do), or at least selectively private to certain blocked users (I really wish MySpace would implement such a feature; currently it's an all-or-nothing approach to privacy). There IS a purpose to making your page private if you don't want everyone in the known universe to see your page but still want to be a part of the MySpace conglomerate.

Re:Wanna compete with myspace? (1)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957808)

"7. No private profiles. No purpose of a private profile on a social networking site.

I agreed with all of your other points but there is actually a VERY valid reason for private profiles. To explain by example I present the following:

My best friends girlfriend is very beautiful, all around amazing girl that guys go nuts over. Literally. One of our EX-friends from highschool started stalking her and tried to add her as a friend on MySpace. She didn't like the idea of him looking at pics of her or communicating with her so she set her profile to private.

Stalkers are a huge problem on social networking sites. Maybe not for us geeks, but the hot girls who whore up these sites have big stalker problems. So yes, private profiles are crucial. Especially also in this day and age where kids don't want their parents snooping on their pages, but whether that should be allowed or not is a whole different can of worms.

Re:Wanna compete with myspace? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15958969)

Private profiles are not all that crucial. There is an option to block users, which I frequently use to block my stalkers or other people I don't want to talk to. The only valid reason I can see for the private profile is in the case of profiles created for children.. but I'd say children should really not be on these sites, or on the internet at all if their parents wish to protect them from strangers and obscenity.

Re:Wanna compete with myspace? (1)

Lord_Dweomer (648696) | more than 6 years ago | (#15968956)

Yeah, blocking individual stalkers is REALLY practical, especially when its trivial to create a new unknown account and use that instead.

Re:Wanna compete with myspace? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15958898)

Amen my brother, this is all so unfortunately true...

Re:Wanna compete with myspace? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15959642)

7. No private profiles. No purpose of a private profile on a social networking site.

What's wrong that hot chic not give you that invite to dig deeper into those photos. Seriously I talk to these girls and they say they got freaked out on Myspace by some of the weirdos and a lot of them are making new accounts constantly.

Re:Wanna compete with myspace? (2, Interesting)

Cyberhawk (716151) | more than 7 years ago | (#15959824)

What's the problem with the influx of Brazilian users?

Ok, I am Brazilian and I know very well that Orkut and "flog" sites are annoying as hell, putting into account the exaggerated number of teenagers-with-lots-of-free-time-with-nothing-bett er-to-do-than-surfing. But the problem is not about them being Brazilian, is it?

MySpace is full of teens, all (or the grand majority) from America, and suffers from the same problems that every other successful social site does: the average user sucks.

That's a whole other issue, and one that does not care about the nationality. Reddit had a post this week in which someone complained about the drop of quality in posted content. The simple explanation would be the same: crappy average user. And as far as I know, reddit is still dominated by american users.

In short: America, say hello to globalization and its exotic creatures.

Colbert Report Reference (1)

Tz-Auber (984141) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957300)

Friendster might still be trying to come back, but according to Steven Colbert, he's still actively trying to look for his new Black Friend(tm) on Blackfriendster.com!

mo3 up (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15957336)

hand...3on't [goat.cx]

It's all about the patents (1)

tinrobot (314936) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957437)

I suspect they got the cash infusion because they just got a very general patent on social networking. They could force just about every other social networking site to pay them lots and lots of money.

The stuff about "resurrecting" Friendster seems to be more of a PR move. They'll try to compete, but pretty soon, they'll claim they can't compete because other sites have stolen their patented ideas. Then Friendster can sue these sites and claim even more damage.

Patents Run Amok..... (1)

IHC Navistar (967161) | more than 7 years ago | (#15957519)

Ok.... This has REALLY gotten out of control. You can now award a patent for a method of social networking?!?!?! This is ridiculous, and the idiot who awarded the patent should be publicly humiliated. I mean, REALLY humiliated, because we now allow methods of making freinds a patentable concept. I hope that someone with cajones flagrantly challenges the legitimacy of this law and it is thrown ou, because the patent process has clearly gotten out of control.

-----

Sig Sauer

Greylock comments (1)

tqbf (59350) | more than 7 years ago | (#15958252)

Greylock doesn't simply "not invest" in Friendster; they're the lead investor in LinkedIn, Friendster's direct competitor.
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