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Do Not Flush Your iPod

CmdrTaco posted more than 7 years ago | from the ipods-on-the-mother-fing-plane dept.

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realjordanna writes "Clearly the bar for what is deemed as a security threat has had to be lowered — but should it be this low? When a rather embarrassed passenger loses his iPod in the lavatory — even admits to the crew his mistake, the plane is diverted to Ottawa and a bomb squad is brought in to investigate. Read the iPod owner's story and take one lesson from this kid's plight — clearly the iPod is not flushable."

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Watch what you drop in the toilet (4, Insightful)

suso (153703) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989381)

Wow! I'd hate to think of what would have happened to him if he had dropped something more obscure like a GPS device into the toilet. Fortunately iPods are commonplace.

Re:Watch what you drop in the toilet (5, Funny)

skoaldipper (752281) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989424)

iPods use Sony lithium ion batteries. For fear of an explosion in the plane shitter, I'd say the FAA was quite prudent in this decision.

Re:Watch what you drop in the toilet (5, Funny)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989559)

Your right, if it had exploded the shit would have hit the fan.

Easily flushable (1)

Ramble (940291) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989382)

But I thought the Nano was small...

High Alert (2, Interesting)

charliebear (887653) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989386)

After the fact it may seem silly, but after the recent arrests in London, I sure would want the flight crew/law enforcement to fully investigate an electronic device in a toilet. After all, the alleged plot involved liquid explosives that were to be detonated in the bathroom, *using an electronic device or camera*

Re:High Alert (5, Funny)

Sqwubbsy (723014) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989421)

I'm kind of split on this. Safety where electronics is concerned is important to me - especially when I'm on the plane.

But the person was up front about what happened. And you have to admit, being forced to Ottawa should be punishment enough.

Re:High Alert (5, Insightful)

badfish99 (826052) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989445)

If they have to go to these lengths to investigate an ipod device in a toilet (where, after all, it is likely to be wet and no longer functioning) then what should they do in order to investigate all the hundreds of ipods and telephones and laptops that are taken on every airline flight?

If it's really impossibly to be reasonably certain that something is harmless without all this performance, then we should shut down the entire commercial airline industry at once, and for ever, because it is clearly impossible to make it safe.

On the other hand, if it is possible to discover that this ipod is safe just by passing it through an xray machine and giving it a cursory examination (as is done with every other ipod taken on a plane), then all this theatrical performance of questioning the passengers has got to have nothing to do with security: it is just the police and customs having a power trip.

Re:High Alert (0, Offtopic)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989496)

Getting more off topic, but iPods can actually boot after absorbing a large amount of water. I accidentally left mine in the washer once, and the thing actually booted, kinda sorta. The Apple came up but then I saw the sad iPod icon. In the end, I think the spinning knocked parts loose in the hd.

Re:High Alert (5, Insightful)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989499)

If they have to go to these lengths to investigate an ipod device in a toilet (where, after all, it is likely to be wet and no longer functioning) then what should they do in order to investigate all the hundreds of ipods and telephones and laptops that are taken on every airline flight?

If he'd noticed at the time that he dropped it in the toilet and reported it straight away then sure, it seems obvious that little investigation is required. But what he reports is very different to that. He didn't realise that he'd lost it until after he'd watched them having whispered conversation and examining the toilet. Then he approaches them and says not to bother calling anyone about it because he's just realised he lost his ipod.

From their perspective, they started investigating and then someone who'd seen they were aware of something wrong approached them with a story to allay suspcicions. They pretty much had to investigate further. Some of the stuff on the ground, especially with the customs guy after the ipod had been removed is another matter.

Re:High Alert (4, Insightful)

Alef (605149) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989643)

I once sat down and calculated an estimate how much my life expectancy is shortened because of terrorist bombings. I don't remember what exact value I came up with, but I remember that I concluded I had just wasted more time doing the calculation.

Why not just let them blow up a plane once in a while, I say, and perhaps we can get rid of some of these increasingly absurd security procedures.

Re:High Alert (3, Insightful)

Hope Thelps (322083) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989676)

Why not just let them blow up a plane once in a while, I say, and perhaps we can get rid of some of these increasingly absurd security procedures.

It's hard to imagine why they should pick on planes in particular apart from the challenge of beating the security anyway. A train or a supermarket or a road junction or the airport checkin area would be as good a target for just killing people. Presumably some other motive is involved. Beating the security seems like the obvious one.

Re:High Alert (4, Insightful)

YrWrstNtmr (564987) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989702)

It's hard to imagine why they should pick on planes in particular apart from the challenge of beating the security anyway.

Shock value. Drop an aircraft or two in the ocean, and you screw up air traffic worldwide. Plus, some people are just naturally scared of flying anyway. This plays on those fears.
And then we have the talking heads on TV, who cream their shorts every time there is a crash. Like this morning.

Re:High Alert (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989682)

If they have to go to these lengths to investigate an ipod device in a toilet (where, after all, it is likely to be wet and no longer functioning) then what should they do in order to investigate all the hundreds of ipods and telephones and laptops that are taken on every airline flight?

As well as PDAs and watches. Best not let passengers with pacemakers onboard...

Re:High Alert (4, Interesting)

shreevatsa (845645) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989481)

These excerpts might be interesting:
Now the questions became really pointed. What do you think about 9/11? What are your views on the Iran issue? Do you think government is too big, too powerful? Would you ever "make a point?"
and
He then asked me to turn on my laptop. I did, and he began using it. I saw him open Spotlight and begin searching.

"Do you connect to the Internet on this laptop?"
"Yes."
"Have you downloaded and images?"
"Huh? What do you mean?"
"Do you have any pornography?"
"No."
This guy is obviously lying, isn't he? :) But let's go on:
I waited in total silence for about 10 minutes as he kept searching and searching, until I finally asked him, "What are you looking for?"

"Contraband," he said without looking up at me.
"Such as?"
"Child pornography, hate propaganda."
"Child porn I can understand, that's illegal. But hate propaganda is protected speech."
Now he looked up. "What country do you think you're in?"
"Oh, it's illegal in Canada?"
"I honestly don't know. But that doesn't matter. I get to decide what goes in this country. Do you have a problem with that?"
I paused for a long time while I thought about what I should say to this. "Yes."
"Yes, you do have a problem?"
"Yes, I do. If it's illegal in Canada I'll understand, but saying 'I don't want it in my country' isn't good enough when you're a government official."

Now he was pissed. "Don't fool around with me. I'm sure you want this to end as much as I do. So I will ask you questions, and you will answer. Do you understand?"

Another long pause while I thought. "Yes, I do."

Re:High Alert (2, Insightful)

Millenniumman (924859) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989673)

He can't be accused of a crime for hate propaganda, but it would be a tip for the security official to be more suspicious.

Re:High Alert (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989775)

Yeah Yeah AC whatever.

I just wanted to point out this exceprt from the New York State Penal Law:

Section 240.15 Criminal anarchy

  A person is guilty of criminal anarchy when (a) he advocates the overthrow of the existing form of government of this state by violence, or (b) with knowledge of its contents, he publishes, sells or distributes any document which advocates such violent overthrow, or (c) with knowledge of its purpose, he becomes a member of any organization which advocates such violent overthrow.

  Criminal anarchy is a class E felony.

Yeah, it's a little different from hate propaganda, but still.
--Murph

Re:High Alert (1)

49152 (690909) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989494)

FTFA: Thing is, this guy only came forward after the fact that the flight crew had realized some kind of foreign object was blocking the lavatory from beeing flushed. It was even after they had contacted the authorities on the ground about this suspicious object. I dont think they had much choice other than going through the motions in case it actually was something dangerous.

Re:High Alert (1)

boxlight (928484) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989597)

Mod parent up! I'm from Ottawa and I'm very happy that the investigation was so thorough. The liberal media in Canada makes it seem like Canada is ignoring the terrorist elements in the world. I'm glad to hear the cops are on top of things.

boxlight

Re:High Alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989639)

Don't you mean the conservative media? The liberal media would most likely applaud a country not going ape-shit about each possible, suspected terrorist threat.

Re:High Alert (1)

triso (67491) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989747)

...
"The liberal media in Canada makes it seem like Canada is ignoring the terrorist elements in the world. I'm glad to hear the cops are on top of things."
By focusing on trivial matters, like a lost iPod in the shitter, Canada is ignoring the terrorist elements in the world.

Re:High Alert (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989670)

I'm sick of this scaremongering shit.
 
  Here's something to scare you, one liquid explosive I'm aware of wouldn't need a detinator at all! pickrick acid slowly oxidizes in air, until it is HIGHLY volitile. Just a nock with a shoe could set it off.

'OMG OMG we must create laws to prevent this'. NO WE DON'T!!!! a plane is a volitile object when in flight. Half a brain and enough will, will down a plane regardless of laws, security measures and what not. Don't give people the REASON to WANT to down the plane, is the ONLY answer!!! (seriously this is pissing me off now)

Re:High Alert (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989750)

We could just make a bomb out of your atrocious spelling. When it explodes, everyone's IQ drops by half and the pilot can't fly the plane anymore.

splish splash I was listening to iTunes (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989396)

and then and then oh no the horror and the Apple Store guy is gonna look at me funny when I want a new one...

I flushed my Zune the other day (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989402)

But it wasn't an accident.

Now buying it... (1)

patio11 (857072) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989411)

... that was the accident. What did you do, wrap it in a Hustler when you were walking out of the store so nobody would think poorly of you?

Re:Now buying it... (1)

jb.hl.com (782137) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989425)

Probably bought it along with some condoms, porno mags and illegal fireworks to make it look inconspicuous.

bigger story (5, Funny)

legoburner (702695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989408)

I think the bigger story is that a WoW player actually left the house and went far enough away from their computer that they needed a flight!

Re:bigger story (1)

WwWonka (545303) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989533)

...and to visit/talk to/be in the same vicinity of a girl no less!

So wait, all those WoW players telling us they really have a girlfriend in a Canada might actually be true?

Re:bigger story (1)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989534)

He does claim to be meeting a girl he met on WoW. Draw your own conclusions from that....

Re:bigger story (1)

SlayerDave (555409) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989584)

Don't get excited. He took his laptop.

From TFA:

It was me and a gruff, humorless customs official. He unpacked my luggage entirely, ran the contents of my wallet through a bomb sweep, and carefully examined all of my belongings. He then asked me to turn on my laptop. I did, and he began using it. I saw him open Spotlight and begin searching.

the iPod (5, Funny)

macadamia_harold (947445) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989410)

No wireless. Less space than a nomad. not flushable. Lame.

Not security, but MORONDOM (5, Insightful)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989416)

This is what it is. Even schizophrenia. This is what it is.

Americans especially, and some other westerners are WAY too much indulged in their own well being that, EVERYTHING is taken as a disaster when the unbelievably minimal, almost non-existent threat to life occurs. (as if a flushed ipod by a kid can EVER be, and as terrorists DO tell that they flushed a bomb disguised as an ipod)

Also there's the morondom dominance question of the plane crew, unable to deduce that if the kid have been a terrorist, s/he wouldnt inform them of the action.

Re:Not security, but MORONDOM (5, Funny)

pimpimpim (811140) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989447)

I don't know about you, but a toilet that's stuck on a long distance flight sounds like a good reason to stop and repair that essential part immediately! Or maybe you don't give a crap.

Re:Not security, but MORONDOM (0)

AutopsyReport (856852) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989529)

Americans especially, and some other westerners are WAY too much indulged in their own well being that, EVERYTHING is taken as a disaster when the unbelievably minimal, almost non-existent threat to life occurs. (as if a flushed ipod by a kid can EVER be, and as terrorists DO tell that they flushed a bomb disguised as an ipod)

It's not that people are too indulged in their own well-being, it's that they are indulged in everyone's well-being (100-250 people). A flight crew would rather inconvenience someone for a few hours than inconvenience those people's families with the death of their loves ones because they ignored a possible threat, however minute it may seem in retrospect.

Re:Not security, but MORONDOM (5, Insightful)

venicebeach (702856) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989637)

I think of it in signal detection theory [wikipedia.org] terms.

This is a time when bias is turned up so that we have fewer misses but more false alarms. This is what tends to happen when a miss is very expensive, which it is in the case of airplane security. The price of having fewer false alarms is greater potential for a miss. We are not as concerned with our accuracy in finding a terrorist as we are in making sure we don't miss one.

Re:Not security, but MORONDOM (1)

unity100 (970058) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989749)

Your standpoint is true, but ONLY IF we take life as an electronic circuit.

Getting occasional cavity searches, horrendous amount of false alarms that result in more shameful and unseemly consequences are a higher price to pay than the profit more false alarms and paranoia delivers.

So in terms of FINANCIAL approach to this problem, revenues does not cover the expenses.

When is an Overreaction OK? (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989418)

We've seen this kind of thing over and over and over (and over) the past several weeks.
At some point, YES, it is OK to overreact for everyone's safety "just in case"

But are ALL overreactions OK?
Does EVERY discovery of "powder" coming out of a parcel necessitate a two block evacuation and the hazmat team called out?
Does EVERY electronic device accidentally left somewhere necessitate the bomb squad being called out?
Does EVERY suspicious group of "arab-looking" people speaking their native tounge necessitate the police/FBI/air-marshals being called out?

C'mon...let's step back and accept some risks in our lives.
And don't use that old canard of "well, you wouldn't be saying that if it was your daughter on the plane"
YES, I would.

We ARE OVERREACTING. I'm sure I'll be modded down as a troll, but I am serious and I'm really getting ticked-off

Re:When is an Overreaction OK? (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989493)

I'm sure I'll be modded down as a troll,
You deserve to be modded down just for using this disclaimer.

Re:When is an Overreaction OK? (5, Insightful)

Quince alPillan (677281) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989535)

People who are afraid, overreact.

Yes, the terrorists have won in this regard.

Re:When is an Overreaction OK? (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989556)

Does EVERY discovery of "powder" coming out of a parcel necessitate a two block evacuation and the hazmat team called out?
Does EVERY electronic device accidentally left somewhere necessitate the bomb squad being called out?
Does EVERY suspicious group of "arab-looking" people speaking their native tounge necessitate the police/FBI/air-marshals being called out?

No
No
Yes

Re:When is an Overreaction OK? (1)

ms1234 (211056) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989593)

Yes and it's called covering ones ass. If they miss one their heads will be on silver plates and the public will go apeshit over the incident. Or more likely the media. The public doesn't understand or don't care.

Re:When is an Overreaction OK? (2, Interesting)

15Bit (940730) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989662)

Yup i agree. And every time they confiscate a fork from my lunchbox at heathrow i get a little bit more pissed off, cos i know that i'd be damn site more successful hijacking a plane with a broken glass bottle i bought in the duty free, than i'd ever be with a sodding fork. And why was it they never stopped selling stuff at duty free, even at the time they were confiscating knitting needles from old ladies?

Re:When is an Overreaction OK? (5, Funny)

kestasjk (933987) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989705)

It's a bad time for an arab couple to join the mile high club, that's for sure..

Lessons learned... (4, Insightful)

AtariDatacenter (31657) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989434)

1] People involved in security love to over-react to security issues. Take those Arabs in Michigan buying cell phones. My God, was there rampant paranoid speculation about what they were doing. (RECAP: "Make meth out of cell phone batteries", "Provide cell phones for anonymous terrorist organizing", "Provide cell phones to make bomb detonators", "Going to blow up our bridge", and best of all, even if they were telling the truth, they could be selling the phones to "Raise money for terrorist activities". I mean... WTF?)

2] If you end up doing something that a remotely paranoid security type would find suspicious, even by accident, do yourself a favor and DON'T tell anyone. No, really. They're just better off not knowing, and you'll be no worse off than if they discover something on their own later and have a paranoid fit.

Re:Lessons learned... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989509)

So what exactly would they be doing with 1000 cell phones?

I have to justify every damn handgun I would like to purchase. So we've already allowed government to ask these kinds of questions.

Re:Lessons learned... (1)

mpe (36238) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989640)

So what exactly would they be doing with 1000 cell phones?

Something which may or may not be legal, but is unlikely to have anything much to do with terrorism.

I have to justify every damn handgun I would like to purchase.

Unless you were to buy black market guns...

passing mobiles can have the same effect (1, Insightful)

ashwinds (743227) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989449)

Passing mobiles [ibnlive.com] got 12 indians into trouble with the Dutch and US Air marshalls. Its horrible how jumpy people have become. Fear is more debilitating than terrorism.

Re:passing mobiles can have the same effect (4, Insightful)

TFGeditor (737839) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989497)

"Fear is more debilitating than terrorism."

Uhm, I thought inciting fear was the whole point of terrorism.

Re:passing mobiles can have the same effect (1)

Tinned_Tuna (911835) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989506)

Fear is the point of terrorism, by being paranoid and afraid, the terrorists have 'won'

Terror = Fear ++
Therefore, Terrorism = Fearism ++

It's not funny, don't laugh... (2, Interesting)

EvilCabbage (589836) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989451)

... read the WoW forums and see what this kid went through.

Insane, paranoid shit like this is exactly why the fuck I won't be visiting the US-of-A or Canada in a hurry.

Kid admits to losing his toy in the toilet, bomb squad comes in and they interrogate him in that fashion? Fuck that for a game of soldiers...

Re:It's not funny, don't laugh... (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989492)

Don't bother visiting Britain, Italy, Australia or the Netherlands, either.

Re:It's not funny, don't laugh... (4, Insightful)

NoTheory (580275) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989495)

I agree to a point. I totally sympathize with this guy, particularly since i have to run the US/Canadian customs gauntlet semi-regularly (often enough for it to be annoying, but not so often that it's worth it for me to get a commuter pass). They can be, and often are, assholes for no particular reason. In this particular case, i think the bomb squad's actions were justified. They were called in in response to a supposed terrorist threat. Now, assuredly the classification of this event perhaps could have been handled better, but on the off chance this was a bomb, the bomb squad interrogator was right, he had 5 guys on that plane that could die.

Re:It's not funny, don't laugh... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989583)

So asking about wether he WANTS a romantic relationship with this cara person is relavant to determining how much danger his bomb squad guys are in? Quite franky, who you want to sleep with is NONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS. The investigators were over the line. But in the name of "security" the sheep will accept it as "necessary in today's society".

For the most interesting time I've had flying - the TSA guys at D.C. National waved me through without X-raying the laptop or its bag, without making me take my shoes off, and didn't seem to care when the walk-through x-ray dinged on my keys that I forgot were in my pocket and I pulled them out and said "sorry, forgot about my keys". I'm not complaining at all, but I can certaintly understand how stuff gets past them - some of them just don't care, especially at 5am on a saturday morning.

Re:It's not funny, don't laugh... (2, Insightful)

sparks (7204) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989625)

Everyone seems to think that was a particularly creepy question to ask him; but they're trying to form a profile of his mood and character. They were asking him that question to help him, not embarass him. Someone who is looking forward to meeting a girl and hoping to get lucky with them is a highly unlikely plane bomber.

Re:It's not funny, don't laugh... (1)

cdn-programmer (468978) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989767)

Quite franky, who you want to sleep with is NONE OF THE GOVERNMENTS BUSINESS.

Governments have been making this their business since at least the time of Jesus Christ.

This is where marriage comes from and marriage licenses

This is where the adultery laws come from.... and the incarceration and in some countries stoning of people. This is where the prostitution laws come from.

You are very misinformed if you think its None of their Business. Mind you - perhaps we the people need to take things back under control and make it none of their business. Call you your favorite pollie and start making this happen.

Re:It's not funny, don't laugh... (2, Funny)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989527)

I wonder what would have happened if wow was also the name of a terrorist group?

Won't be long... (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989487)

Before they ban using the restroom at all. After all, it only takes a trip to Taco Bell before the flight to bring a toxic goo that could jeopardize the entire plane.

It had a timer display and a lithium ion battery?! (2, Interesting)

D4C5CE (578304) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989510)

Oh well [theinquirer.net] , in this case [ipodbatteryfaq.com] ...

Recalls still allowed? (2, Funny)

Plocmstart (718110) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989515)

I'm suprised they haven't yet done something crazy like requiring you to prove your laptop battery isn't currently recalled given the random Dell balls of fire.

oh dear god the horror!!! (5, Funny)

gsn (989808) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989516)

My housemate had BBQ yesterday - I went in to the toilet this morning after him and I was sure he was launching chemical warfare against me! And he'd blocked it up! WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION! Much worse than any iPod! ITS ILLEGAL IN CANADA! People if you ever get on the plane with David Fowler inform the authorities! Even if only the name matches because thats good enough for Western Union and eBay! Hes white - you may not even suspect him of being such a vile and noxious agent of destruction! Tell the TSA! Think about the children!

No verification (1, Insightful)

Maeric (636941) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989517)

I know this isnt' a news site by any means but I can't believe what makes it into news at Slashdot. There's no independant verification of the WoW poster being the owner of the iPod. I do believe the iPod story because I saw it on several news sites but seriously. Somebody posting on the WoW forums automatically gets written off as truth. I guess people believe what they want to believe. Truth doesn't matter anymore.

Re:No verification (3, Interesting)

Reese268 (998177) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989661)

I hardly see why the fact that there is no absolute proof that he was the one involved means that it shouldn't be posted here. No, it wasn't on a news site, but he does go into a lot of detail involving the story. Enough so that I have no reason to doubt him. Besides, he would have to be very desperate for attention to make up such a story, and if he did, he really should consider a career in writing, because it was quite enjoyable to read. It's a story that is of interest, and hence is perfectly worthy of a post on slashdot.

Why bring an iPod into the lavatory?!??!?? (-1, Troll)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989532)

That's the dumbest thing about this. The kid is going to hog one of the few lavatories on the airplane so he can sit and jam out on his iPod? He couldn't just leave it for a few minutes, if his visit was intended for a shorter duration?

My MP3 player gets left behind when I need to get up during a flight.

All this is ignoring the fact that he managed to lose his iPod down the toilet, which is not the most attentitive behavior... it could have been money from his pocket, or jewelry of some sort. He's not the brightest person in the world, is he?

Re:Why bring an iPod into the lavatory?!??!?? (3, Insightful)

(H)elix1 (231155) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989575)

You risk losing you ipod if you hit the bathroom for five minutes and leave nice small equipment sitting on your chair. I've seen it happen. Someone gets up on a trans continent flight while most folks are sleeping, comes back, and are scrambling to find the ipod that walked off.

I'll also add that I did some 'blue juice' aviation engineering while putting myself through university. There were several occasions that someone would ask if there was any way to retrieve a watch, wallets, or bracelet from the tank. (the answer was no in my case) It does happen. Most folks on the larger jets just write the stuff off as lost. The guy is lucky to get the ipod back!

Re:Why bring an iPod into the lavatory?!??!?? (1)

BenJeremy (181303) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989647)

Well, I've been on plenty of flights, and I've never seen somebody looking for something that's "walked off" but I understand that sentiment. Still, as I said, given the cramped conditions in an aircraft lavatory, a person should be absolutely sure of their belongings when moving around in there.

One more thing.... aircraft lavatories do havbe a "trap door" which should prevent anything dropped in there from falling through before flushing... I have to assume this guy dropped it in and wasn't paying attention until he flushed.

I do know people that dumb, unfortunately; one guy I worked with managed to lose his ID badge in the narrow "slot" of an elevator doorway. I guess some people are just naturally clumsy and bound to make the unlikely happen, no matter how unfortunate.

Re:Why bring an iPod into the lavatory?!??!?? (1)

Rakshasa Taisab (244699) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989762)

And the lesson of this story is, if you lose something valuable in the airplane toilet, call in a bomb threat.

Re:Why bring an iPod into the lavatory?!??!?? (3, Insightful)

1u3hr (530656) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989649)

That's the dumbest thing about this. The kid is going to hog one of the few lavatories on the airplane so he can sit and jam out on his iPod? He couldn't just leave it for a few minutes, if his visit was intended for a shorter duration?

Obviously not. He just had it clipped to his belt. If he'd been listening to it, he would have noticed when it went down the tube and yanked his earbuds out.

Re:Why bring an iPod into the lavatory?!??!?? (2, Insightful)

cmdrfunk (682865) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989741)

You're just like the passengers the guy was talking about in the article who were blaming him. Why do you expect him to do everything perfect? Yeah, this is all his fault; he should have had an internal debate for 20 minutes before deciding it if was okay to keep his ipod on his clip while he poopied.

At the rate those things are stolen, I'm not leaving mine behind either, by the way. If you had "attentitive" behavior in 5th grade spelling class you'd be able to spell it. Back off the guy.

The real perpetrator? (1)

CrayHill (703411) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989543)

Is there any actual evidence that the person posting on WoW is the actual person? The post didn't quite "seem" as it was written by such a victim. Far too many direct quotations and mostly grammatically correct. I suspect someone found the story and went off on a tangent...

iPod = WMD (1)

MarkByers (770551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989549)

iPod: Weapon of Mass Disruption.

Actual quotes (4, Insightful)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989551)

Some eye opening quotes...

Now the questions became really pointed. What do you think about 9/11? What are your views on the Iran issue? Do you think government is too big, too powerful? Would you ever "make a point?"

"Child porn I can understand, that's illegal. But hate propaganda is protected speech."
Now he looked up. "What country do you think you're in?"
"Oh, it's illegal in Canada?"
"I honestly don't know. But that doesn't matter. I get to decide what goes in this country. Do you have a problem with that?"

All this for something that can easily be identified as an iPod? :-/
And how was the child porn and hate propaganda suspicions tied to an iPod in the toilet, exactly?

Re:Actual quotes (3, Interesting)

Jugalator (259273) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989562)

Besides, and this is on a different note, if I'd be honest, I'd answer "it's sad, but it didn't affect my life as a foreigner much" to "What do you think about 9/11?", "yes" to "Do you think government is too big, too powerful?", and perhaps even "maybe by demonstrating sometime" to "Would you ever "make a point?"".

What I wonder is what they would do if I did tell them that?
It would be interesting to see the response if he had done so.

Re:Actual quotes (2, Insightful)

awehttam (779031) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989564)

And how was the child porn and hate propaganda suspicions tied to an iPod in the toilet, exactly?

No doubt to justify further surveillence of people's communications, but not just for public security, now for public safety.

Gotta love the spin.

Re:Actual quotes (1)

Manchot (847225) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989611)

I suspect that the official suspected that the kid was trying to cause a commotion (akin to shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater).

Questions asked because of his laptop... (1)

Hamster Lover (558288) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989665)

If you read his entire post these questions were asked during an examination of his laptop, and I imagine they are routine questions for a customs agent.

I am more concerned about the customs agent's assertion that he alone gets to decide what is permitted into Canada, considering we had a landmark case that was decided by the Supreme Court on that very matter.

Re:Actual quotes (2, Insightful)

ChaosDiscord (4913) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989740)

And how was the child porn and hate propaganda suspicions tied to an iPod in the toilet, exactly?

That little bit irritated me as well, but I believe at border crossings you sacrifice most of your rights to privacy and freedom from search. If you don't want to be subject to arbitrary searches, the answer is "don't enter our country." The people policing the border have a fair amount of freedom to say, "No, I don't want you in our country." While it may be misapplied (as it was in this case), ultimately you're a visitor to their country and you have no fundamental right to be admitted.

However, this does reinforce my belief that airline security is wasting a hell of a lot of money on useless things. Trolling random people's computers for porn isn't a good use of their time.

Hate propaganda is illegal in Canada (2, Informative)

hayne (545353) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989755)

Unlike in the US, in Canada it actually is illegal to incite hatred against any identifiable group.
See, for example: http://lois.justice.gc.ca/en/C-46/41491.html [justice.gc.ca]
So the only surprising thing is that the customs official didn't know this.

Overreacting? Perhaps, but... (2, Insightful)

Krokus (88121) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989572)

...bear in mind the following things:

- An iPod stuck at the bottom of an opaque blue liquid is not readily identifiable.
- The crew were just following procedures.
- The guy played dumb about it for a while and didn't say anything.
- When he finally did tell the crew, they had already called the incident in, at which point the wheels were already in motion.

Had he spoken up as soon as he'd discovered hi iPod missing and the suddenly strange behaviour of the flight attendants, they might have brushed off the incident.

I agree the the behaviour of most law enforcement people on the ground was way over the top (especially for Canada), I don't believe the airline can be blamed for the actions of its crew. As a co-worker of mine put it: "Landing the plane because of a potential threat inconveniences 200 people, but it's not any worse than thunderstorms and warning lights. From a corporate standpoint (the airline) you'd rather risk being dumb than wrong. Wrong could sink your entire company."

Re:Overreacting? Perhaps, but... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989713)

Yes, it *is* worse than thunderstorms. You don't subject the passengers to extremely protracted, invasive, and unnecessary screening just because of bad weather.

But I guess all you need is one terrorist claiming he has a weather-control ray...

Re:Overreacting? Perhaps, but... (1)

ptbarnett (159784) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989777)

Had he spoken up as soon as he'd discovered hi iPod missing and the suddenly strange behaviour of the flight attendants, they might have brushed off the incident.

RTFA. That's exactly what he did.

The reason he didn't say anything at first is because he thought the seat cover had clogged the toilet.

Two mistakes... (1)

jnik (1733) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989589)

The first was dropping the iPod in the toilet. The second was admitting a visit to someone met online. In my experience, that immediately puts you on the "long form questionnaire with anal probe" list. Of course, lying about how you met someone doesn't work all that well either... if the first time you met in person is a plausible scenario, that may be useful to claim as "how you met."

Re:Two mistakes... (1)

legojenn (462946) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989633)

I like, "we were friends in university". Even backwater Unis have foreign students.

Sir, please turn on your laptop... (5, Funny)

1053r (903458) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989606)

"It was me and a gruff, humorless customs official. He unpacked my luggage entirely, ran the contents of my wallet through a bomb sweep, and carefully examined all of my belongings. He then asked me to turn on my laptop. I did, and he began using it. I saw him open Spotlight and begin searching."

Luckily for me, if he'd turned on my laptop all he'd of gotten would be a $ prompt:

Official: Umm... What's this $ mean? And why is it all text? Is this dos or something?
Me: Oh, that's just the bash shell, it means you're logged on as a user in a Unix system.
Official: And what exactly is unix? is it some sort of anarchist tyranny virus?
Me: Umm... No, it's just an operating system. Like Windows.
Official: I see, and where did you buy this "unix"?
Me: Well, actually it's called Ubuntu Linux, and I downloaded it off a torrent.
Official: (Into his radio) I think we have a software pirate here....
Me: Actually, it's free. Canonical will ship you free CDs.
Official: And who exactly is canonical? Are they some muslim extremist group trying to destroy the United States with computer viruses?
Me: Umm... No... Actually they're --
Official: Shut up! We're taking you into custody!

Re:Sir, please turn on your laptop... (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989724)

Yeah, you're so fucking l33t 'cause you can install an OS.

You're exactly the kind of smug wannabe that shouldn't even be allowed to post on Slashdot.

Omg (2, Interesting)

Fred Porry (993637) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989619)

Im very, very, very glad that Im not living in the U.S. or Canada...Geeez!

ipods on a plane, jackasses on the ground (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989627)

With lines of question like that and irrelevant handling of a situation by a bureacracy of egomaniacs, its no wonder why our government fumbles and the terrorists are capable of winning. Since landing a plane costs money, I can see a fine resulting from the incident, but once they search you and your belongings and find nothing, whats the point? If they are so fearful of passengers, why not just end air travel completely. Its already proven to be non-profitable.

Warning (0, Redundant)

Nexum (516661) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989631)

"Do not flush iPod Shuffle"

Re:Warning (1)

bcat24 (914105) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989778)

Actually, I'd be willing to bet that the iPod Shuffle is the most, er, flushable. :) After all it has flash memory, no screen, and a cap for the usb connector.

" They " won (5, Insightful)

hebertrich (472331) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989635)

Terrorism is exactly that ..
By making people behave like this .. they won.
Everytime an airplane is diverted for an ipod .. they won.
Everytime in your minds , a trace of powder on the pavement
is anthrax : they won.
Everytime a bag of groceries left in the tram or subway becomes
in the mind of someone a bomb that will " Kill us all " they won.

America .. whatever way you look at it .. they won.
They now control you.They have changed your ways your ideas
your thinking .. they won.

Terror owns you and that's what they wanted to do.
Time to bi*** slap yourself and start thinking clearly ?
I'd say .

Re:" They " won (3, Insightful)

ColdWetDog (752185) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989714)

Oh, go tell that to any to any Isreali -

They will just look at you funny.

Re:" They " won (1)

Wandering Wombat (531833) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989736)

Marry me.

Should I be scared? (4, Funny)

ENIGMAwastaken (932558) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989636)

The bottom of my Slashdot page says "This page will self-destruct."

Should I be scared?

Re:Should I be scared? (1)

ENIGMAwastaken (932558) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989645)

Shit!

Now it says "He who spends a storm beneath a tree, takes life with a grain of TNT."!

I think this is a clear message that Slashdot is planning to blow itself up and take the interweb with it.

Is this even true? (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989667)

Can we get a cross refrence to a real story on this event? Even than, how can we even really trust a first hand account on a story. As a frequent lurker/poster of the WoW general forums, I can tell you with 100% certanity that EVERY thread on that forum has to be taken with a grain of salt. Many users will embellish, and/or completly fake a story in order to recive a reaction from the userbase. As one of the highest traffic boards on the net today, it is an easy way to claim your own little slice of the e-fame pie.

Can we please get some sort of cross link on this story at least before posting it on the frontpage of /.

reactionary sheep-low IQ as well (0, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989688)

They have everyone completely buffaloed into this terrorism BS. I mean C'MON NOW. It's come out that that liquid attack was almost total crap and institgated by agent provocateurs INSIDE THE SO CALLED CELL. Bought and paid for by the intelligence services. Get a clue! There hasn't been any "terror" attacks in years because this is total crap! 9-11 was an inside job to get the PNAC armaggedon oil soaked zionistwhackos imperialist fascist goons into power and keep them there! It doesn't take much of anything to go do damage, does it? think about it, how hard is it really? So WHERE'S THE BEEF? The US and canada and the UK got millions of scary islamics! Where are all the attacks??? London attacks, eyewitnesses who clearly saw the explosions came from BENEATH THE CARS. the goons running a DRILL the exact same timeframe, SAME as they were doing on 9-11! WAKE UP. Take those away, where are the attacks??? Wouldn't it stand to reason that a few dozen might be carrying out attacks if all this terrorism BS was real? A few dozen out of millions-yet-no attacks! All the so called attacks they stopped had GOVERNMENT AGENTS AS THE RINGLEADERS INSIDE. WTC 93-government agent inside. 9-11, numerous ties to government intel services. They do this on purpose so they can puff themselves up and go "see, we stopped the attacks!". Well, pretty easy to do that when you ORGANIZE THEM. REICHSTAGG FIRE EVENTS. People don't smell a rat when right before a critical big brother legislation vote there is a "coincidental" anthrax attack using US army anthrax that targets opposition political leaders and some newsies???????? COME ON NOW

iPods may have Lithium ion bats but they aren't exploding, different manufacturing run and design

There are any nuber of electronic scary devices still onboard the plane

no bad guy would go ANNOUNCE he flushed something down the crapper

pilot=idiot

homeland security=freaking nazi blackshirts, goose stepping pervert mercenaries who can't get real jobs so they just follow orders and get to feel up your wife and daughter at the airport while you cower in the corner.

passengers who keep putting up with this shit = "welcoming their new reeducation camp overlords" because it's obvious they'll do anything they are told, believe anything the goon run main stream media parrots from dictator central (why is it the regimes tinfoil hat conpsiracy theories are never adequately questioned by the big news outlets? Could it be from who OWNS the bulk of the mainstream media, and gives orders that fall downstream? Do some research, see who owns the big networks and where their loyalties lie), and the airlines themselves are tippy toeing closer to becoming more hassle than they are worth and will go bust. I hope they do really, because it's obvious they have scared second graders running things.

We need this fascist big brother scare mongering regime out of power(google heglian dialectic, go ahead), they are completely destroying the nation with their lying weasel crap. Murdering lying thugs, and that's only their good qualities. Get out and lobby and vote for ANYONE who isn't in this current power structure. D or R, if they have swallowed all this overlapping lying crap and voted for it, vote them out! Either too stupid to be in government or compromised to go along with the take over. Patriot act-out! Homeland gestapo fatcat security-out! We had ONE senator who easily saw through this bullshit. Guess which senator got creamed in a plane crash. YOU REALLY THINK THAT WAS A COINCIDENCE?

Wake up folks, they are making things worse on purpose to get some weird globalist government in power, because it is involving more than one nation's high level rich fatcats. They are purposelly egging on and picking at the islamics on purpose to CREATE pissed off people to give them an excuse. Yep, they got a lot of pissed off islamics now, BECAUSE THAT WAS THE PLAN.

  "We have always been at war with eastasia". That was a real book of prophecy, learn the lesson and learn to see through their smoke and mirrors crap. If it is connected to PNAC or any of their camp followers overseas, it's a lying fascist murderer.

Re:reactionary sheep-low IQ as well (2, Funny)

fastgood (714723) | more than 7 years ago | (#15989730)

It's come out that that liquid attack was almost total crap

So was the iPod. But would Apple allow us to call it an iPod if it is no longer white? And would it have been an acceptable lavatory item had the passenger accidentally swallowed the device a few hours earlier, and then deposited the excess cargo through conventional methods?

Barney's iPod (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15989779)

- Barney, where's your iPod?

- It fell in the toilet.
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