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Windows Vista Prices and Release Date Leaked

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the keep-that-stuff-quiet-if-you-don't-want-us-to-know dept.

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Nieske writes "Prices and the release date for Windows Vista have leaked online. Ed Bott's Microsoft Report has information on pricing, and the release date is currently January 30th, 2007. Are they really going to make the deadline this time?" From the ZDNet article: "In Canada, at least, the rumors of a 'modest' price increase were true, based on this list. Will these same relative prices hold true in the U.S.? Who knows? But if they do, then it's mostly good news for Windows customers. There's no price increase for Home Basic. Home Premium, the Vista version that maps most closely to the OEM-only Windows XP Media Center Edition, will finally be available as a retail product for a slight bump over the Home Basic product, similar to the $39 premium typically charged by large OEMs for Media Center upgrades. And Vista Business buyers will get a break with a small discount relative to XP Professional."

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Not Quite (4, Insightful)

eldavojohn (898314) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999517)

So our "authority" is a man from Microsoft Monitor Weblog that is owned by Jupitermedia, not Microsoft. And he's speculating that these are the leaked prices. Has anyone stopped and thought that if Amazon is posting these, that they probably weren't leaked? Or maybe the fact that Amazon constantly offers products and pushes back the release date means that these aren't the real release dates?

What I'm guessing is that these are estimates for the release date but it will most likely be pushed back and that these prices are correct and direct from Microsoft. Intentional, though, not 'leaked.'

Re:Not Quite (5, Funny)

johnlittledotorg (858326) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999545)

But "leaked" just makes it sound so so cool. I have to jump right in and post it on my blog too. Gotta show the peeps I have my ear to the streets!

Re:Not Quite (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999716)

Regarding the leak date, I think January 30th is probably not a wise move (or maybe it is?) After the holiday spending spree, most people won't have money left and those who got new computers as gifts will need to upgrade their OS.

Re:Not Quite (2, Insightful)

johnlittledotorg (858326) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999802)

I agree about the timing. Why spend even more money when there's no real compelling reason to upgrade in the first place? New PC owners may want to upgrade but they certainly won't need to.

Re:Not Quite (0, Flamebait)

truthsearch (249536) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999749)

This site is "News for Nerds", not "Investigative Journalism for Nerds". Please take your insightful comments elsewhere. We're not used to our journalists thinking. If our news outlets actually thought before posting information the world would be a very different place. And different is scary.

Re:Not Quite (1)

Khuffie (818093) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999896)

http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=124 [zdnet.com] It's the second link in the summary. Yesterday MS's Canadian website listed the prices, and then immediately pull them.

Pandemic (1, Insightful)

codepunk (167897) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999522)

Mark January 30'th on your calendar, the date of the next internet Pandemic.

from the article, price list (3, Informative)

Dance_Dance_Karnov (793804) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999528)

FULL versions (all prices Canadian)

        Windows Vista Ultimate $499

        Windows Vista Business $379

        Windows Vista Home Premium $299

        Windows Vista Home Basic $259

        UPGRADE versions (all prices Canadian)

        Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade $299

        Windows Vista Business Upgrade $249

        Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade $199

        Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade $129

I didn't do the conversion to real money.

Re:from the article, price list (4, Insightful)

GoatMonkey2112 (875417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999539)

I want to see the OEM version prices. Nobody here normally pays full retail price for Windows.

Re:from the article, price list (5, Funny)

TheGreek (2403) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999564)

I want to see the OEM version prices. Nobody here normally pays full retail price for Windows.
Is "OEM" some new BitTorrent client?

Re:from the article, price list (1)

GoatMonkey2112 (875417) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999747)

Hehe, funny. But you know what I mean. Out of the people who read Slashdot and will actually buy it, one way or the other they're not paying retail price.

Re:from the article, price list (5, Funny)

Dance_Dance_Karnov (793804) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999565)

remove "full retail price" from your comment, and you would be closer to the mark.

Re:from the article, price list (2, Interesting)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999655)

Call me "nobody," then. I refuse to pay for an OS I can't move from one machine to another.

Re:from the article, price list (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999783)

"Can't" or "shouldn't"? I bought an OEM copy of XP Pro a couple of years ago, and it installed and runs just fine after a complete upgrade to the machine - the only things that are original are the monitor and the case.

Re:from the article, price list (1)

GundamFan (848341) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999658)

Indeed... I don't think I have ever A) "stolen" Windows or B) paid retail for it.

It pays to have a good relationship with the big computer store in your neghborhood, and the address for Newegg.com handy.

Re:from the article, price list (1, Interesting)

spyrochaete (707033) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999786)

I was right about to post about OEM pricing.

In order to buy a cheaper OEM copy of Windows you need to qualify as an equipment manufacturer. The easiest way to do so is to purchase the prerequisite hardware from a vendor to prove that you are a PC builder. Some vendors require you to purchase as much as a motherboard and CPU, while others simply require a $10 mouse. Check into some such online retailers (sorry I have no examples) to land yourself an OEM copy of Vista.

Re:from the article, price list (5, Funny)

legoburner (702695) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999579)

In real money:

Windows Vista Ultimate 22.9 g / gold
Windows Vista Business 18 g / gold
Windows Vista Home Premium 14.2 g / gold
Windows Vista Home Basic 12.3 g / gold
Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade 14.2 g/ gold
Windows Vista Business Upgrade 12.3 g / gold
Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade 9.4 g / gold
Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade 6.1 g / gold

That's a lot of gold arrrrrr.

Re:from the article, price list (5, Funny)

spidereyes (599443) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999907)

More like:

Windows Vista Ultimate 1 leg 1 arm
Windows Vista Business 1 leg 1 ear
Windows Vista Home Premium 1 arm 3 toes
Windows Vista Home Basic 1 eye 1 ear (you won't be getting Aero anyway)
Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade 1 arm 4 toes
Windows Vista Business Upgrade 1 arm
Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade 1 ear 3 toes 2 fingers
Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade 1 eye

All prices include your soul.

Prices in US dollars (2, Informative)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999580)

FULL versions
Windows Vista Ultimate ~$450
Windows XP Professional w/SP2 ~$387
Windows Vista Business ~$342
Windows Vista Home Premium ~$270
Windows Vista Home Basic ~$234
Windows XP Home w/SP2 ~$234


UPGRADE versions
Windows Vista Ultimate Upgrade ~$270
Windows XP Professional w/SP2 Upgrade ~$234
Windows Vista Business Upgrade ~$225
Windows Vista Home Premium Upgrade ~$180
Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade ~$117
Windows XP Home w/SP2 Upgrade ~$117

Prices in pounds? (1)

LotsOfPhil (982823) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999597)

I should also mention that if the full Windows Vista Ultimate costs $450 in the US it will probably cost 450 pounds in the UK. Ouch!

Re:from the article, price list (-1, Flamebait)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999581)

This information is readily available in the first page of the first article, which is nowhere near slashdotted. You, sir, are a karma whore, and should be modded Redundant.

Re:from the article, price list (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999644)

This information is readily available in the first page of the first article, which is nowhere near slashdotted. You, sir, are a karma whore, and should be modded Redundant.
That post was readily judgeable on its own merits on the first batch of Slashdot comments, which is nowhere near modded through yet. You, sir, are a grumpy Slashdotter, and should be modded Troll.

Re:from the article, price list (2, Funny)

cyclop (780354) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999662)

But his karma whoring allows my total laziness to even avoid clicking TFA, so I can just scroll down the thread!

Re:from the article, price list (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999589)

What about the Windows Vista Super Ultimate?

Or how about the Windows Vista Business Ad Supported Ultimate?

Or how about the Windows Vista Extreme Ultimate Sport Platinum Edition?

I think Bill Gates must have given his nephew a summer job in the marketing department. Hope he goes back to grade school soon.

Re:from the article, price list (4, Insightful)

xtracto (837672) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999596)

Just go to Amazon [amazon.com] and see the prices in USD.

Wow $399.00 for the Operating System... and, how much is the hardware?, and what can this Operating System can do?
I guess we (in Mexico) will continue to get it the Aye! way, it would be stupid to think that people will pay $400 for Windows when they payed $300 for the computer.

Ha!

Re:from the article, price list (3, Interesting)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999653)

Well back in the early days of Microsoft one of their driving mandras was to make it so that the hardware was a commodity and that you'd be paying mainly for the software. Looks like they have finally reaches their goal.

Ok you can all go home now.. Microsoft is closed.

Re:from the article, price list (1, Insightful)

Overly Critical Guy (663429) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999641)

I love this. Windows fanboys often mock OS X releases for being $120 apiece, yet from Amazon.com we see that Vista Home Basic will cost an entire $200. Ultimate will cost $400! I can guarantee Leopard (and most of Tiger) match Ultimate without costing me the price of an XBox 360.

The myth that OS X costs more than Windows is officially dead.

Re:from the article, price list (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999701)

The myth that OS X costs more than Windows is officially dead.

Incorrect.

1) It's not official until we have something from the official software producer.
2) Microsoft releases an OS & you get the service packs for free. Apple releases an OS, and the service packs as another OS. (I mean how many of the tiger updates were changes to desktop artwork?)

The really funny thing of course is that the BSD & Linux guys are going to laugh at both the Apple & MS fanboys arguing over which of their overprices OSes is cheaper ^_^

Re:from the article, price list (1, Funny)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999728)

The really funny thing of course is that the BSD & Linux guys are going to laugh at both the Apple & MS fanboys arguing over which of their overprices OSes is cheaper ^_^

While the Apple & MS fanboys laugh at them about how many weeks they take to set up WPA2 on a wireless connection (if they even can).

Re:from the article, price list (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999870)

You're moderated as funny, but I thought I'd check how you do it anyway. I usually don't bother with anything like WPA, because I assume any network connection that doesn't have end-to-end encryption is insecure. It turns out that it's actually very easy to do (using wpa_cli on a terminal, or alternatively a GUI that talk to the wpa_supplicant program the same way). I do also seem to be able to set it up quite easily on my Mac, but the controls for doing so seem to have been added relatively recently (they weren't there last time I configured an encrypted WiFi connection).

On my ThinkPad, I can enable it trivially in FreeBSD, but the Windows XP drivers don't appear to support it at all.

Re:from the article, price list (3, Interesting)

clontzman (325677) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999705)

First, you're comparing Canadian Vista prices to US OS X prices. US prices will almost definitely be less (it's lower in TFA).

Second, how many times will you buy OS X in between releases of Windows? Since XP came out, you've likely bought OS X three times (10.2, 10.3, 10.4) at $129 apiece and soon a fourth. The copy of XP you bought or, more likely, got from an OEM in 2001 is only now getting a pay-for update.

OS X is more expensive. If you like it more, that's cool, but your argument that it's cheaper doesn't hold up.

Re:from the article, price list (1)

Valthan (977851) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999748)

...not that much lower, the USD is doing horrible for the last while and is only ~1.10CAD (to buy) and ~1.05 (to sell). And a lot of places (on both sides of the border) are no longer giving exchange rates for purchases in the other denomination.

Re:from the article, price list (1)

InsaneGeek (175763) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999755)

But I think the rub might be that, you've had to pay that 120 multiple times for each upgrade, whereas XP has had some major overhalls over the years with no cost; SP1 & SP2 are very big changes and didn't cost a dime. The upgrade to ultimate is ~price of 2x OSX upgrades, unfortunately because Apple has a monopoly on hardware that OSX can run on, the total cost of OS X is still substantially higher.

Course I just avoid the whole issue for my personal machine and run Fedora + XGL, because I don't have gaming, 3rd party software, etc requirements so I don't have to worry at all about high-cost operating systems or high-cost hardware + costly operating system feature upgrades.

Re:from the article, price list (1)

Klaidas (981300) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999759)

The myth that OS X costs more than Windows is officially dead.

Well, if we consider that none of those OSes are released yet and prices may change just like release deadlines... no, it's still alive.

Re:from the article, price list (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999714)

Wow, that's SOOOOO informative! it;s a good thing people copy TFA so that mods can rate them to a +5, informative.
Ah, /. - no place is like that.

Re:from the article, price list (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999808)

Why are there so few of them? I want a copy that customized for me.

I can't wait to watch tech support with all of these versions floating around.

User: "I have Windows Vista, and I want to do x, can I? How do I?"

Tech: "Uhhhh...god. Ummmm, what version of Vista do you have?"

User: "Version, what version? It's Vista."

Tech: "Is it Home Basic, Home Premium, Homosexual, Gamer, Business, Business Gamer, I Think I'm Running A Business But Might Be Delusional, OpenVista, NetVista, Free...oh wait, Ultimate?"

User: "It's Home...I think."

Tech: "Which Home?"

User: "I just want to do some network stuff. sob-sob-sob"

Tech: "Is it 9:00am yet? I need a drink."

THat's the problem with proprietary software (1)

plopez (54068) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999893)

They are always forking versions. I mean 8 versions? And this does not include 'compact' or 'mobile' editions, or 'data center' versions.

Now (1, Flamebait)

PrinceAshitaka (562972) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999529)

More than ever, do I love Linux.

Re:Now (1)

PrinceAshitaka (562972) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999542)

As I wrote this I realized that I was going to be labeled a "Karma Whore" and contemplated not submitting. I did because the above is exactly as I feel now regardless.

Re:Now (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999763)

Don't worry about karma whoring, you've been modded down already.

me too (5, Funny)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999570)

whether its the stellar video driver support, or the fantastic sound card support, to the plethora of games and business apps that all work flawlessly without hours of tweaking.... you're right, linux kicks ass.

Re:me too (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999605)

whether its the stellar virus support, or the fantastic spyware support, to the plethora of trojans and malware that all work flawlessly without hours of tweaking.... you're right, Windows kicks ass.

Re:me too (1)

JeanBaptiste (537955) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999906)

.... First off, your average linux user is far far far more computer competant than your average windows user. Also, look at the difference in market share. You even those 2 things out and suddenly Linux wouldn't have such an advantage in that regard.

p.s. I love linux myself, but am going to be honest about it...

Re:me too (2, Funny)

idonthack (883680) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999932)

At first I thought you were being serious. Then I realized you were trying to be sarcastic. You have no idea what you're talking about, and your sarcasm just happens to mirror reality.
 
So you back to your ignorance, I'm gonna go play some Quake 4.

SP1 Release date (4, Insightful)

Wiseazz (267052) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999533)

That's the important one!

Re:SP1 Release date (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999922)

That would be a 2008 release date - when Vista is really ready and OS 10.6 is out.

version version everywhere (-1, Flamebait)

tomstdenis (446163) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999535)

Just remember that things like DX and Office will likely only work [fully] in the higher up editions.

Be prepared to shell out 499$ for the "ultimate" edition [that or move on to a REAL OS like BeOS or QNX...]

Tom

Re:version version everywhere (2)

nstlgc (945418) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999670)

Do you have any, ANY proof of or even hint at the validity of that claim?

Re:version version everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999724)

Directx10 is only for vista, that's proven. IE7 will have special security features only for vista that's proven, so will Office i think (not proven).

Some games like Halo 2 will be released Vista-only.

When you are a looser, just shut the fuck up.

Re:version version everywhere (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999845)

I'm afraid that you, sir, are the "looser" [sic] and need to "shut the fuck up"

He wasn't taking about tht things will be Vista Only (thats a given) but rather that applications not bundled with the OS will require a specific version of Vista (like requiring XP Pro rather than just XP). Now there may be a few instances of this (tablet specific apps requiring a version with ink/recogniser support for example) but this will be rare. I have never come across an application that requires XP Pro (even if it says it does). I have MS VPC, Sql Server DE and other things which "require" XP Pro on my XP Home laptop.

PS what is a "looser" when used as a noun. I've always considered it an adjective so maybe that should be "you are looser" - at least that would make sense grammatically

Re:version version everywhere (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999876)

None of which has anything to do with the original claim that DX10 and Office will likely only work in the upper-end versions of Vista, which is an utterly ridiculous idea, as lack of those two would almost completely kill the crippled versions. Corporates wouldn't buy them as Office wouldn't work, and home users wouldn't buy them as games and multimedia wouldn't work.

Re:version version everywhere (3, Interesting)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999700)

Tom, come now. First, the ultimate pricing is $399/$259 (full/upgrade) USD. And can you point to an example where a MS product has been not "fully" working because it is running on a "lower" version? I cannot think of any off the top of my head at least. I have Office professional at work (XP Pro) and at home (XP Home) and I get the exact same functionality. Same with my games, development tools, etc, etc. Now I cannot say for sure there has never been such a case, but as I cannot think of any I'd be very interested to hear any examples.

There are certainly some applications which require a certain version (Media Center, IIS, etc, etc) but I cannot think of a single example where a MS application supported by both Home and Pro versions have ever had the Home version crippled in some way. I may well be wrong and would be interested to hear examples if I am.

Re:version version everywhere (2, Interesting)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999731)

How about remote desktop? It deliberately disables the ability to have multiple users connect to anything lower than Windows Server 2K3 (that's right, even with XPPro, you don't get useful things like that).

Re:version version everywhere (1)

plague3106 (71849) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999801)

How about remote desktop? It deliberately disables the ability to have multiple users connect to anything lower than Windows Server 2K3 (that's right, even with XPPro, you don't get useful things like that).

How useful that is for anything except a terminal server is debatable. Most business / home users don't need more than one person on a workstation at a time.

Re:version version everywhere (3, Interesting)

gumbi west (610122) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999903)

You may recall this slashdot article [slashdot.org] which outlines how all the versions will be crippled relative to ultimate. I also recall that the transparency will only be activated in the higher up versions.

The biggest deal is that the ability to rip a DVD is only in the home upgraded version, and the ability to use non-M$ networking protocols is only in the pro.

Starter is a joke and will only run 3 pieces of software at once. This version of Vista is like an "upgrade" back to Windows 3.1.

Re:version version everywhere (1)

Drakin020 (980931) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999757)

Yeah...A real OS that does nothing for the Business world and something that no one has ever heard of or will ever move to.

Re:version version everywhere (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999817)

Name something that the business world needs, and I can name a dozen open source apps, and a dozen more *nix apps, which do it. Sometimes, better than whats on Windows, sometimes not, but the core OS doesn't really stop one from doing what one needs to do.

Price is not the only cost... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999536)

There is also the loss of your freedom. To paraphrase the "Linux is only free.." corollary:

Windows is only reasonably priced because you can't put a price on freedom.


Enjoy your DRM.

Re:Price is not the only cost... (1)

Daniel_Staal (609844) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999745)

Windows is reasonably priced?

Re:Price is not the only cost... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999933)

Don't forget the cost of retraining your staff...again. Of course if they're running on XP and a recent version of Office now chances are that they are getting fuck-all done anyway. May as well just skip the training and spend the money on something useful for your business, like bacon.

I tried to enjoy the DRM, but the DRM wouldn't let me. :(

No Vista for Christmas? (1)

IAR80 (598046) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999560)

I would have expected it to be released for Christmas. To boost computer sales.

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Re:No Vista for Christmas? (2, Funny)

cp.tar (871488) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999622)

Well, they're announcing January 30th now. So I guess they still have time till next Christmas.

Re:No Vista for Christmas? (1)

ArsenneLupin (766289) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999719)

To boost computer sales.

Microsoft would rather prefer to boost Windows sales. As in: one XP license that is shipped with that brand-new Christmas computer, and a month later a Vista license when the sheep decides to upgrade its OS.

Re:No Vista for Christmas? (1)

mzwaterski (802371) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999890)

Actually, new Vista-capable computers will come with a free upgrade to Vista coupon if I recall correctly.

Unlikely (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999562)

Microsoft OSes were always released on Thursdays. January 30th is Tuesday.

Changed to Tuesday because.... (4, Funny)

FerretFrottage (714136) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999598)

that way they can release all the required patches on the same day.

Yawn. Nothing to see here, please move along. (5, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999583)

Does anybody outside of Microsoft actually care about Vista? WinXP is fairly stable, it runs all the software (or nearly all of it) developed for every version of Windows since Win95. Also, WinXP does not have perverted-control-freak class DRM embedded into it, like Vista does/will. Personally I view Vista as a significant downgrade from WinXP - it will negatively affect the utility offered by a Windows computer.

Re:Yawn. Nothing to see here, please move along. (2, Funny)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999775)

No, clearly nobody cares about Vista. This is obvious when you look at the total lack of coverage it receives on sites such as Slashdot.

Re:Yawn. Nothing to see here, please move along. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999803)

It looks sexy.

Re:Yawn. Nothing to see here, please move along. (1)

icybee (230126) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999846)

No. Not enough people care.
That's why MS are forcing (some) people to upgrade by making the next versions of Halo and Flight Sim Vista-only.

Re:Yawn. Nothing to see here, please move along. (1)

rtaylor (70602) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999863)

Does anybody outside of Microsoft actually care about Vista? WinXP is fairly stable

You're today's latest and greatest, so what makes you think that you won't run Vista when the time comes?

Win2k was also fairly stable and ran everything at the time, yet you went to XP. You will care about Vista for the same reasons that you run XP today.

Re:Yawn. Nothing to see here, please move along. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999871)

Does anybody outside of Microsoft actually care about Vista? WinXP is fairly stable [...] I view Vista as a significant downgrade from WinXP
Blast from the past (2001) [slashdot.org] :
is there a good reason for a win2k user to upgrade (downgrade I should say) to XP?
History repeats itself...

Your dad wants vista (1)

MrFebtober (922100) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999913)

Well, actually I just know my dad wants Vista. But I think my dad represents a model microsoft user. He's very computer literate when it comes to MS and Mac applications, but he's no programmer. He buys and registers all of his software. He uses his achingly slow pc for business and photo editing. Working with 8MP RAW image files in PS on his 400MHz machine has been a huge pain but he is insistant on holding out for Vista before getting a new machine. I think there are a lot of people (dads, mostly) who are waiting patiently for Vista, even though they've pretty much been in need of a new machine for quite a while already. It may not be just the new features, but it's just assumed that the newer windows will be the better windows.

isn't there also something about 64-bit processing? DOn't recall them offering that with XP. I didn't look it up though, so I might be mistaken.

Market segmentation (4, Interesting)

pubjames (468013) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999606)

The windows pricing is a classic example of what marketeers call "market segmentation". When deciding how to price a product, you ask "How much will people pay?", and the answer is different people will pay different prices - some people actually want to pay more for essentially the same product.

It is an increasingly unpopular pricing method because people resent it. Note, for instance, the rapid growth of budget airlines (in Europe at least) - a lot of their popularity can be put down to the fact the traditional pricing model for flights was highly segmented - customers have come to resent paying different prices for essentially the same thing and so the budget airlines, with their simpler pricing model, have grown in popularity.

It is interesting that Apple do not do this, they don't even have separate "upgrade" prices. If you want the latest version of their OS or basic software (iWorks or iLife), then you pay one price. As a customer I like that.
 

Re:Market segmentation (3, Interesting)

wild_quinine (998562) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999679)

No, the reason budget airlines have grown in popularity is that they are undercutting ALL of the segmented prices of the major airlines. Trust me, if British Airways had a 'Cargo Class' flight that was cheaper than all the 'budget' airlines, I'd be packing myself into a suitcase and going on a cheap holiday. The reason that Apple don't have seperate upgrade prices, is because their market is loyal enough that they can be meticulously gouged, and will still come back for more. Enjoy your overpriced branding, really knock yourself out - but my money only goes so far.

Re:Market segmentation (1)

hyfe (641811) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999776)

It is an increasingly unpopular pricing method because people resent it. Note, for instance, the rapid growth of budget airlines (in Europe at least)
Or rather, they grew because they were cheap. You get what you pay for though.

Re:Market segmentation (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999813)

It is interesting that Apple do not do this, they don't even have separate "upgrade" prices. If you want the latest version of their OS or basic software (iWorks or iLife), then you pay one price. As a customer I like that.

And do you like that you have to pay for every small upgrade on the OS, which is not the case with Windows?

Confusing... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999864)

All of those different "versions" is confusing the hell out of me. When I buy a nw machine, is the drop-down listbox going to have ALL of those verisons and their descriptions?! It'll take me a day just to configure a computer to buy online.

I bet a bunch of folks are just going to buy the cheapest version they can or just go to the most expensive thinking that way they'll get everything they'll need.

Me, I'll just get the cheapest version. That'll have the networking. That's all I need. Web services and other things like that I'll install myself.

Or, I'll just say "Fuck it!" and buy a Mac.

29th will be (2, Interesting)

jlebrech (810586) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999616)

When all the competitors (sun, ibm, mozilla, etc..) join to make a giant Linux advertising campain, on all tv channels.

Re:29th will be (1)

cyclop (780354) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999680)

I would love it, but this wins the Wishful Thinking Prize 2006, I fear...

Re:29th will be (1)

Aqws (932918) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999692)

Nah, should happen on the 31st, that way M$ wont just delay the release.

Low price? (1)

ratta (760424) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999619)

Soon microsoft will start paying people to use windows :)

Expensive upgrades (1)

WuphonsReach (684551) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999668)

At those prices, we'll definitely not bother to upgrade our existing systems from WinXP Pro to WinVista Business. If those upgrade prices were about 50% of what is listed, it would be worthwhile. There's just no worthwhile gain in moving from WinXP to WinV.

(And to think I already thought that WinXP Pro prices were too expensive.)

Re:Expensive upgrades (1)

CaymanIslandCarpedie (868408) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999792)

If you company has at least 5 people you can check out some licensing options [microsoft.com] besides paying retail. If your smaller than that, your best bet is to try to chat up some local PC builder who gets OEM pricing. Anyway, I haven't seen any Vita pricing besides whats in TFA yet, but through these other non-retail channels your 50% request should certainly be at least in the ball-park.

Let's get this straight (4, Interesting)

clickclickdrone (964164) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999675)

They want me to pay $450 for something that will almost certainly force me to upgrade some bits of hardware to give it a chance of running, will potentially fail to run some of my software and in return does what exactly? Look pretty whilst constantly asking me if I'm sure?
Call me negative but I'm not exactly in hurry to join that particular queue.

Amazon's taking orders for Vista (2, Informative)

mytrip (940886) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999708)

Amazon.com is taking orders for Windows Vista.

http://news.com.com/2300-1016_3-6110494-1.html?par t=rss&tag=6110494&subj=news [com.com]

Re:Amazon's taking orders for Vista (1)

Tim C (15259) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999902)

Amazon was taking orders for Doom 3, Quake 4 and Half Life 2 about a year before they were released...

I didn't need this... (3, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999721)

to figure out Vista's release date.

i was just going to watch the Weather Channel and check for frost warnings for Hell and its surrounding counties...

Questions and Answers (2, Funny)

VincenzoRomano (881055) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999736)

Are they really going to make the deadline this time?
I would rather ask:
Are they really going to make a release that will resist to cracking more than 15 minutes?
You all know both answers, however.

What is the REAL Worth? (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999744)

What is the real worth of Windows? Is an OPerating system really worth $129 for a BASIC stripped down version?
Essentially a single-user operating system:

For:

-NO BACKUP Utility (Even *NIX has tar/gzip) and crond
-An integrated Web browser, inseperable (or with great effort) from the core OS
-NO Support for Firewall (I don't trust Microsoft's FireWall)
-NO NATIVE DVD Player (due to "licence" cost)
-NO Ability to set permissions on files for multiple users
-PISS-POOR Command Line Interface (try renaming 10 files, under Windows)
-PISS-POOR User Management (try creating more than 10 accounts)
-NO SECURE AUTOMATION of COMMON TASKS (user management, file management ,etc )
No Thanks, I don't like any OS that attempts to Dictate what I can and can't do on my own files. I'd rather spend the 40-50 bucks and get a commercial Linux distro.

I'm a computing die-hard, I dual boot, running XP for Half-Life II, thats about it.

Office 97 still runs on my system, I paid the microsoft tax since I bought a laptop, thats all I'm willing to pay for Windows, about say $50.00, what a normal Linux distro would cost.

For the "PRO" version, I would pay about $100.

There is NOTHING in XP that is worth 129.99.

Remind me why I'm Canadian? (1)

zyl0x (987342) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999772)

It's sad that the only version that's really suited to gaming is Vista "Ultimate." Ultimate suck, maybe. I don't think I'm going to spend $499 on a POSOS. Hell, if I had that kind of money floating around, I wouldn't be able to complain about the PS3 pricing.

Re:Remind me why I'm Canadian? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#15999860)

What are you on about? I cannot see the home edition not playing games properly... come on get real here.

4x4 and mac pro systems (1)

Joe The Dragon (967727) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999781)

will people who build 4x4 or want to run vista on there mac pro systems be forced to buy Ultimate?
will gameing fully work with Business?
Will M$ let you use 2 cpus on home and move Business / Ultimate to 4?

That's a lot of money... (0, Redundant)

n1hilist (997601) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999807)

for a bit of paint and frosted glass. Seriously, the system requirements, and price of the O/S don't justify purchasing Vista. What's the point?

Vista Prices (1)

Jolly_Fat_Man (876059) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999810)

I know that unless some sort of breaking technological invention comes around Windows is going to be sold the same way as always. Hacked, cracked and free of charges towards Microsoft. I also know that only a select few are trully interested in Vista without Aero, and that most people don't know that they'll have to pay the price for that. Vista is about choices, but I dought that many people will care for Vista if it doesn't introduce the shiny factor into their lives. As for when it's released... I think most people won't be buying a computer just for this Operating system. Rather they wait.

Release date? (1)

snib (911978) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999874)

Haven't several of them been leaked or announced? And pushed back?

Where is this going? (2, Insightful)

jonesy16 (595988) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999883)

I'm confused why Microsoft would make a move like this. Their pricing scheme is not competitive with any other OS's on the market that I can think of. Retail boxes of most Linux distributions are between $50 and $100 USD. A new copy of OSX costs $129 (and people still complain about that!). But at least with OSX you can buy a 5-pack "family" license for $199. And yet, Microsoft comes out and expects people to pay $199 minimum to run Windows on their non-Dell/HP/SONY prebundled computer. I mean, if Microsoft is right about the number of pirated copies on computers then they can't count on "upgrade" customers cause there must be some check to prevent it from being upgraded on a pirated copy.

A good question to ask is what they consider an upgrade to be? Can you upgrade Win 3.1/95/ME? Cause I'm sure you can find a copy of one of those for less than the $100 difference between retail/upgrade. Does anyone else think this pricing scheme will fuel more people to switch over to Mac/Linux computers? Or will it have no impact and people will just buy their Dell/HP/ computer with it prebundled and not care?

It is now cheaper to buy a Mac (2, Informative)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999892)

* Windows Vista Home Basic, $199/$99.95
* Windows Vista Home Premium, $239/$159
* Windows Vista Business, $299/$199
* Windows Vista Ultimate, $399/$259

* MacOS X Tiger (single user) $129
* MacOS X Tiger (family license) $199
* MacOS X Server $999

I suspect that Windows Vista Ultimate is not the server edition, which will almost certainly be more expensive than $399. So... assuming comparable hardware prices for Apple x86 PCs vs. the generic market, Microsoft has now priced themselves above the competition. I seem to remember Microsoft taking the market by _undercutting_ their competitors some decades ago. It would appear they have forgotten what competition does to the market leader. Perhaps it's time they relearn that lesson?

Refusal (-1, Redundant)

kahrytan (913147) | more than 7 years ago | (#15999920)


  I absolutely refuse to pay for a overpriced (above $129) and bloated operating system that will only serve to give me a big blue screen.

Anyone got any alternatives?
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