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Ten Gaming Myths Debunked

Zonk posted about 8 years ago | from the no-jamie-or-adam-here-unfortunately dept.

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ThinSkin writes "The Playstation 3 will fail. Video games are too violent. Copy protection is the beginning of the end for gaming. These myths and others are the target for Loyd Case over at ExtremeTech as he takes ten gaming myths apart and debunks them. From the article: 'Rumors are partly due to the nature of the overheated coverage that's the rule of the day on Internet sites. Rumors spread, become accepted as fact and remain embedded in people's belief systems long after the actual facts have emerged. There also seems to be relatively little historical perspective among some writers, which can alleviate breathless hype, either positive or negative.'"

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Is this guy a psychic? (5, Funny)

kmhebert (586931) | about 8 years ago | (#16008378)

How can he know the PS3 will not fail? Is... is he going to give me $600?

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

mentaldingo (967181) | about 8 years ago | (#16008414)

Maybe if you ask him nicely...

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (0)

WinnipegDragon (655456) | about 8 years ago | (#16008434)

First thought I had too. I'm not sure how someone can see the backlash against the PS3 on the web, and not conclude that the PS3 is on shaky groud well before launch...

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008626)

Examine the guys logic carefully:

The PS3 will not fail as long as it still has developers.
Developers will not jump ship because the PS3 will sell well.

Perfectly sound logic to me!

Re:Is this guy a psychic? or only right on 9 myths (2, Interesting)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 years ago | (#16008984)

He also claims that if the PS3 doesn't win it will be regarded as a Microsoft xBox360 win. I don't know of anyone, other than those working for Microsoft or Lionshead, who think Microsoft would win - they'll be lucky to grab the number two spot behind the Nintendo Wii.

If anyone could claim to win, it would be Nintendo. Not only will they continue their long line of profitable consoles and games, they would regain the number one spot worldwide, and in the USA.

The rest of his exploded myths, though, are pretty accurate, although some could argue he's forcing the point.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? or only right on 9 myths (1, Funny)

Hentai (165906) | about 8 years ago | (#16009367)

number two spot behind the Nintendo Wii.


I'm never... caling it... that.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (3, Insightful)

digitrev (989335) | about 8 years ago | (#16008697)

Because web backlash means almost nothing to the "mainstream" gamer. All it takes is for a sizable group of people that fall under these categories for the PS3 to succeed.


1. Want to own a gaming system.
2. See Sony as the brand name for gaming.
3. Have the $600 to drop on one.
4. Have a good impression of the PS3 (read as: not a big internet user)

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (5, Insightful)

coop247 (974899) | about 8 years ago | (#16008903)

What did the "Web Hype" do for Snakes on a Plane, oh thats right, NOTHING. Just like some bad press will not kill the PS3. Believe it or not (gasp), there are a lot of people that don't read Slashdot, and don't troll gaming message boards.

There are 106 million people who have a PS2, thats a pretty large customer base. Maybe some of them can't afford 500 at launch, but I guarantee there are a couple million who can and will. Later on down the road when the price comes down and availability increases, the rest of the 100 million can get one, its called Price Discrimination [wikipedia.org] . Why should Sony sell you a PS3 for 400 when I'll pay 600.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16009187)

106 million people own a PS2? Is that the total Sony has sold, or is that total sold - people who bought more than one? It's a serious question. I'm sure a lot of people bought a second if there first one died or a second PS2 being the slim PS2. I doubt that's 106 million individual owners. It's the same for all the companies, but it's naive to say there are 106 million PS2 owners just because Sony has shipped that many.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (2, Insightful)

GundamFan (848341) | about 8 years ago | (#16009288)

Even if you have people in there with 4 or 5 PS2s that is a metric butt load of households with PS2s.

The name Playstation is always going to be associated with gaming by non gamers... and parents will buy there children a PS3 to replace/upgrade a PS2 because it makes sense from a non informed consumers perspective.

The only thing that could realy hurt Sony is snooty EB clerks regurgitating things they read on the internet and I am sure consumers will just go to Best Buy (once someone wants to buy something it is best not to argue or try to change there mind... if you want the sale.).

Will it be another PS2... I doubt it.
Did people bitch on the internet leading up to the PS2 launch and after... Yes, we have such short memories.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (3, Insightful)

Junta (36770) | about 8 years ago | (#16009494)

Even if you have people in there with 4 or 5 SNESs that is a metric butt load of households with SNESs.

The name Nintendo is always going to be associated with gaming by non gamers... and parents will buy there children a N64 to replace/upgrade a SNES because it makes sense from a non informed consumers perspective.

(could also replace PS2/Sony with 2600/Atari for similar results, an established market means something, but it far from means as much as people give it credit for).
Fact of the matter is that for the most part people aren't just sheep. More so than they should be, but when asked to shell out 600 bucks for something, they will consider it more thoroughly and not automatically buy it for their kids just because they had a PS2 and their kid liked the PS2.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (2, Insightful)

7Prime (871679) | about 8 years ago | (#16009249)

Maybe Some of them???!!!! Some of them?! How about MOST of them. I'm a diehard Sony gamer. My gaming world centers are Japanese RPGs, which are solidly in Sony's domain, I loved the Playstation and Playstation 2, I'm a huge Final Fantasy fan, I even have a pretty good job (for someone my age: 25), and could actually afford throwing down $600. Am I going to do it? Hell no! Not out of spite, but I just don't want to pay that much! I figure, if someone like ME isn't going to buy it, how the hell is the rest of the gaming community? Especially seeing as though a large percentage of the gaming community is under 20 years old, and maybe making $8/h part-time at the local McDonald's. The PS3 is priced for fanatics... and even then (like me), they're pushing it.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (4, Insightful)

Gooba42 (603597) | about 8 years ago | (#16009374)

The same parents who paid $800 for their 4th grader's laptop will buy the $600 PS3.

My now departed mother's 3rd grade students had plenty of buying power and parents do *not* pay enough attention to kids' gaming. One of her kids spent all his free time playing Vice City. I don't believe that game restrictions need to be draconian but if the line be drawn, 3rd graders don't make it by a long shot.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (2)

Physics Nobody (688399) | about 8 years ago | (#16009497)

You know, I'm not going to pay $500 for a PS3 either. (Yes, I said $500. Why does everyone quote the $600 price when the cheaper version of the
PS3--quite unlike the cheaper version of the XBox 360--is not in any way crippled? Oh no, it lacks some fancy output to plug into my nonexistent
HDTV. The horror.) However, when the PS3 drops in price (And it will drop in price. A large portion of the price is due to the bleeding edge
Blu-Ray stuff which is basically due to the blue laser diode. When those start being manufactured in greater numbers and the technology becomes more
mature I would expect the price of that component to drop by an order of magnitude.) then I will probably purchase one. Which is more than I can say
about the XBox 360, a system that holds little interest to me.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

prockcore (543967) | about 8 years ago | (#16009528)

Why does everyone quote the $600 price when the cheaper version of the
PS3--quite unlike the cheaper version of the XBox 360--is not in any way crippled?


Probably because literally 9 out of 10 PS3s are going to be the $600 SKU?

You thought that Sony is going to make equal numbers of the $500 and $600 versions?

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (3, Interesting)

Alex P Keaton in da (882660) | about 8 years ago | (#16009526)

There is a whole genre of people that marketers call "gold-collar." They have jobs that are neither blue nor white collar, generally fast food or mall type jobs. These people spend Hundreds on a purse. They are more or less people who make very little money but buy expensive luxury goods. It seems odd, but they are very real...
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonali ving/articles/0727goldcollar.html [azcentral.com]
http://www.usatoday.com/life/lifestyle/2005-06-08- gold-collar_x.htm?csp=N009 [usatoday.com]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold-collar_worker [wikipedia.org]
Um and one other thing- say it with me- CREDIT CARDS
Intelligent people think something that costs $600 costs, well, $600. A ton of people think $600 costs an extra $2 on their minimum monthly payment on their Capital One card... Money is not an issue to a lot of people, as long as they can charge it...

Snakes on a Plane (1)

Junta (36770) | about 8 years ago | (#16009339)

I never understood how the 'web hype' for Snakes on a Plane was ever expected to *help* the movie. Most of the 'web hype' was ridicule saying 'oh this movie is so campy, it makes me laugh'. You can tell from the marketing that the movie aimed to be somewhat serious, but the web hype and marketing all latched on to how campy it was. I think the people behind the movie were mistaken genuine ridicule for friendly jest, and called it web hype. Snakes on a Plane from all the 'web hype' I read was doomed to be a bad movie, and it lived up to what the web hype promised there.

Similarly, looking at the PS3 I see a lot of overconfidence on the part of Sony. The argument about price discrimination calling for such a high launch price ignores the obvious psychological effect of a high launch price even among those who wouldn't have been able to get one at launch anyway. Just cause some elitists/fanboys will buy your system no matter what, doesn't mean you scare away the more practical/indifferent gamers to gouge the elitists/fanboys for all they can.

The web discussions I think are more vital than people give it credit for. The target market for a 600 dollar console is clearly comprised of gaming enthusiasts, and most people like that are active participants in online discussions. The online discussions overwhelmingly are along the lines of 'at that price, no way'. From the time of launch to a significant price drop I predict PS3 will do poorly, and the question is if Sony recognizes it in time and their costs allow them to drop the price to prevent developer drop out. The effects of a weak launch may be difficult to overcome even if they do respond quickly, but it may be possible to pull it off.

Nintendo up to N64 was considered the nearly uncontested leader in the market. Despite having huge momentum leading up to, the N64 didn't do that well in the face of the newcomer Sony, and Gamecube hasn't done much better, and N64 wasn't as clearly overconfident as the PS3 seems to be. Admittedly the limitations of cartridges versus optical media played as well as poor third party relationships on the part of Nintendo played a role there whereas Sony is much healthier in those regards even with the PS3. Other apt comparison's in the price range are Neo-Geo and 3DO, both of which had significant hype and a lot of people saying 'these systems will be great', but no uptake because of the cost.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (2)

brkello (642429) | about 8 years ago | (#16009488)

I think the web hype for Snakes on a Plane made it come out at #1 instead of last. Seriously, if there wasn't any web hype who would have bothered seeing this movie at all?

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (2, Interesting)

orasio (188021) | about 8 years ago | (#16009161)


> 1. Want to own a gaming system.

You don't buy from Sony if you want to own something.
You don't own stuff, you license stuff.
They own stuff, and your ass.

(I know, what I say _is_ ridiculous, but I think this is the direction towards which everything is heading)

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

Moofie (22272) | about 8 years ago | (#16009270)

Seeing as how it looks like Sony is going to be able to manufacture half of what they'd originally expected, I'd venture to say that "mainstream gamers" (IE those who won't be standing in line at Toys r Us) aren't going to be able to buy a PS3, so I'm not sure what you're after.

It's the SoaP effect all over again (2, Insightful)

tknaught (981065) | about 8 years ago | (#16009440)

"First thought I had too. I'm not sure how someone can see the backlash against the PS3 on the web, and not conclude that the PS3 is on shaky groud well before launch..."

I suspect that the negative hype around the PS3 will be another manifestation of the Snakes on a Plane effect [slashdot.org] , in which a small core of dedicated fanatics voicing their opinion ad nauseum is misunderstood as a widespread grassroots movement. I suspect that the small group of hardcore "Wii60" fans will, like their SoaP brethren, turn out to be a mostly inconsequential factor in the overall performance of the PS3.

The games-related discourse on the web is dominated by the voices of hardcore gamers and (to a greater extent in the case of hardware releases) system-specific fanboys. However, time and time again, these groups have been shown to be an imperfect reflection of the overall market. Take Castlevania: Symphony of the Night, for example. It was a critical darling and holds a hallowed place on many gamers lists of the all-time greatest games, yet it still sold terribly. Another good example is Madden. Each release meets with a flurry of "Roster Update: 200x" criticisms from the online community, yet the series is a top-seller in the US every year.

The majority of gamers aren't keeping with the bad press on the PS3. What they do know is that the Playstation 1 and 2 were excellent systems. They're also likely to see the PS3's higher price as meaning that it really is leaps and bounds ahead of the 360. As much as you may hate to acknowledge Sony's arrogant statements that they don't need a killer app and that the PS3 will sell out on sheer brand recognition, they are probably correct. The real question on PS3's future is whether the manufacturing costs of Blu-Ray and Cell will drop at a fast enough pace that they can lower the price to a more mainstream-friendly level after the initial shipments have sold out. The real question of whether or not the PS3 can become a market success will be determined next holiday season, not this one.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (2, Insightful)

PFI_Optix (936301) | about 8 years ago | (#16008435)

It's a no-brainer that the PS3 *will* sell. But with its high price tag, lackluster performance (to date), and late release, it's not going to be anything special. The PS3 fanboys will be good little consumer whores and run out and buy it as soon as it hits the shelves, just like the Nintendo and MS fanboys.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (2, Interesting)

BecomingLumberg (949374) | about 8 years ago | (#16008488)

I am sure the PS3 will have a successful launch and sell a lot of consoles for this years Christmas (if they make it in time...)

However, unless things change between now and then, I think many consumers will regret their decision when they realize how little they recieved for how much they payed. I don't know many people that think the PSP is the best handheld they own right now, even if the only other 'current-ish' one is a GBA. It has amazing graphics, but just tried to be way too much.

GBA? (1)

Proud like a god (656928) | about 8 years ago | (#16009077)

Don't you mean a DS Lite or did I miss something?

Re:GBA? (1)

GundamFan (848341) | about 8 years ago | (#16009135)

I think he means that most people have eather a DS or a PSP and the last portable they bought was likely a GBA. Implying that while a PSP is more tecnologicaly advanced than a GBA it isn't at this point more fun.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (2, Insightful)

7Prime (871679) | about 8 years ago | (#16009354)

Yes, Playstation fanboys will be good little consumer whores and run out and buy it as soon as it hits the shelves, the only problem is:
  1. A console's livelihood can't be based souly on sales to fanboys. Fanboys are a VERY small part of the market, the PS3 is priced for fanboys, yes, and that's what they'll get, nothing else. 80% of their gaming market... GONE. This seems like a no-brainer to me.
  2. They're losing fanboys like CRAZY, do to not being able to keep promises and devaluing the "game system" aspect of the console in favor of "home entertainment system".
So, their pricing is aimed at fanboys, and their marketting is aimed at all-encompassing (even outside of gaming)... yeah, this sounds like a GREAT idea to me! So no, I do not see good things for Sony this round. Launch will be painfull to watch. Prediction: fanboys hold off buying it until they can first play it at their friends' house... only problem is, their friends are doing the same thing!

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | about 8 years ago | (#16008455)

How can he know the PS3 will not fail? Is... is he going to give me $600?

It's less about whether the PS3 will be dominating like the PS2 and more about the ridiculous doom and gloom on /. and other gaming blogs.

Personally I think his selection wasn't too bad, I'm especially sick of the "PC games are dead" chant we get at the beginning of every console cycle.

Btw. here [extremetech.com] 's the print version on one page instead of 324

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

nutshell42 (557890) | about 8 years ago | (#16008485)

Btw. here's the print version on one page instead of 324

Oops, the page checks out your referrer, sry. The button's right below the article

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

snard6 (990260) | about 8 years ago | (#16008466)

No silly! According to the article the PS3 has already been released in Japan, Indonesia, and Bulgaria... It's already sold millions.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

silentace (992647) | about 8 years ago | (#16008478)

it won't fail because even if it does sony has so much money they can make it not fail on paper until enough consoles get out there to cover the costs by selling accessories and games. Sony can't fail, they are too large of a company with to many people backing them.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008533)

The myth is that it WILL fail. It may fail, but claiming that is inevitable is a myth.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008569)

I would say that whether you will consider the PS3 a success or a failure probably depends on how you define failure; you could consider the artistic merit of a platform, its life span, its market share and its profitability. I personally suspect that the PS3 will lose a large portion of its market share (somewhere between 1/3 and 2/3 of the PS2's market share), will lose a ton of money (Microsoft and Nintendo should be able to force Sony to cut the price of the PS3 before they can afford it, pay developers for exclusives, and spend a fortune on marketing), have some of the best games (ever) produced exclusively for it, and last for (about) 5 years.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

marcomarrero (521557) | about 8 years ago | (#16008853)


Remember the $399 Sega Saturn? Using an inflation calculator, in 2006 it is $532.79! And worse, people knew the $299 PSX was better at 3D performance and was going to be introduced to the US several months later. The only difference is that back then, Nintendo wasn't a competitor and had to lie about their Ultra 64 hardware until it finally arrived.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? (1)

triffid_98 (899609) | about 8 years ago | (#16009259)

I remember the $399 Sega Saturn, in fact I still own one. If you're into 2D shooters, it is *the* console to have, right up there with the Neo-Geo MVS. Despite it's lackluster 3D performance it was a 2D god, with tons of great exclusive and nearly perfect arcade ports (Radiant Silvergun, Battle Garrega, Terra Diver, etc.etc.etc) Unfortunately Sega in it's infinite wisdom decided not to export those out of Japan. The rest, as they say, is history...

Remember the $399 Sega Saturn? Using an inflation calculator, in 2006 it is $532.79! And worse, people knew the $299 PSX was better at 3D performance and was going to be introduced to the US several months later. The only difference is that back then, Nintendo wasn't a competitor and had to lie about their Ultra 64 hardware until it finally arrived.

Re:Is this guy a psychic? or on Sony payroll? (1)

WillAffleckUW (858324) | about 8 years ago | (#16008936)

No, he's obviously someone dependent on either Sony advertising money (a writer at a magazine that will have lots of PS3 ads) or is so wealthy he doesn't understand none of us are interested in shelling out $600 for a PS3 when we get a much more fun $225 Wii and an xBox360 as well for that much ...

By fail, I don't think most of us mean won't ship or sell any units, we just mean will be the second or third place advanced console, behind the Wii.

Either that or he loves Blu-Ray.

Printer Friendly, redirect ... booo (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | about 8 years ago | (#16008408)

I was going to try to get free karma with a printer friendly version ... but it automatically redirect ... booooooo [extremetech.com]

Yay for blog hits. (4, Insightful)

daeg (828071) | about 8 years ago | (#16008415)

Since when is blog commentary considered myth debunking?

I'm happy to say that with Javascript disabled I didn't give him any ad impressions for that drivel apparently deemed Slashdot-worthy. I have a vertical scrollbar for a reason -- and that reason certainly isn't to click "Next page".

Re:Yay for blog hits. (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008446)

Agreed. This is poorly-written garbage.

"Microsoft, who's Xbox 360 is generating healthy sales of both hardware and software, must feel the same way."

Re:Yay for blog hits. (1)

kafka47 (801886) | about 8 years ago | (#16008970)

On top of that, it's self-promoted garbage. I've seen good articles from "Mr. ExtremeTech", but what is this doing on /.

I see tripe like this get posted often, yet I've experienced (and heard about), more relevant submissions based around actual games news rejected out of hand.

I know it's routine for Slashdot to ignore complaints, but really, there needs to be some improvement. Like a conference call or a meeting or something. :)

/K

Re:Yay for blog hits. (0, Offtopic)

noidentity (188756) | about 8 years ago | (#16009238)

Bytes of text total in first page: 7349
Bytes in article text in first page: 1161

Deciding not to read such drivel: priceless

The myths (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008440)

The Playstation 3 will Fail
PC Games are Doomed
You Need a $500 Graphics Card
Console Games are for Twitch Gamers
Handheld Games are for Kids
Console Games are Too Simple
PC Games are Too Complicated
PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous
Games are Too Violent
I'm Embarrassed About Gaming

you missed out on free karma (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | about 8 years ago | (#16009317)

You do realize you missed out on free karma, don't you? Next time don't post AC with vital /. information like this!!!!

The PS3 may not "fail" ... (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008444)

... but for US$600, I'm sure as hell not buying one.

True, the PS3 will not fail... (4, Insightful)

gkhan1 (886823) | about 8 years ago | (#16008450)

...but it will sure as hell not do very well. When seriously hardcore gamers, like the Penny Arcade guys, says that no way will they buy it at launch, you have a problem. Sure, the initial batch of consoles will sell out, they always do, but there is no way it can threaten the 360 in dominance. The Xboxs online stuff alone will probably make it more popular (and yes, I know Sony is launching its own thing (PS HUB, is it? or have they changed it?) but I doubt that it will be as good as Micrsofts).

True, the Playstation brand has some cachet in Japan, and even some in the states and Europe. But weighing that against $600 (and even more in Europe) will ensure it a perpetual second or third place in the rankings. I guarantee it.

Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... (2, Interesting)

LordPhantom (763327) | about 8 years ago | (#16008516)

I would have marked this as insightful, but you made the assertation that Xbox will dominate this generation...... and I've gotta say, the Wii looks pretty damn good. (Of course right now it is, as it's the only game in town) I suspect that PS3 will wind up being the odd man out this time around, with people either buyign the Wii or the 360 as an affordable alternative to the PS3.

Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... (1)

gkhan1 (886823) | about 8 years ago | (#16008620)

Ahh, man, you didn't mod me up for that? Crap. ;) You are obviously right, it's very possible that the Wii will rule, atleast alot more probable than the PS3. If I were to put money on it, I'd still bet 360 (remember that both the original Xbox and PS2 was more popular than the Gamecube, even though it was cheaper). It could go either way though.

Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... (1)

Junta (36770) | about 8 years ago | (#16009390)

To be fair, the Gamecube was fundamentally the same as PS2 and X-Box, the Wii is offering some potentially interesting innovation beyond 'more polygons, more lights, bigger discs'. Whether the Wii-mote will actually be fun or appealing remains to be seen, but it is an innovation that seems much more well executed and central compared to PS3's apparent last minute modification to mimick Wii and offset their likely legal-induced vibration function removal.

Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008605)

When seriously hardcore gamers, like the Penny Arcade guys, says that no way will they buy it at launch, you have a problem.

So they will be buying them at some point. I.e. the sale is made.

Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... (4, Insightful)

gkhan1 (886823) | about 8 years ago | (#16008648)

Yeah, but they will probably wait for a price-drop (which will happen when Sony realizes that nobody is buying them, and then they've already lost). And really, when people whose very profession is the study of games simply refuse to go out and get one, you are in deep shit. I've heard a few people on the Gamespot podcast who've said the same thing, even though for them its a tax write-off! I mean, come on!

Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008715)

So they will be buying them at some point. I.e. the sale is made

I understand that you're probably new to the english language, but saying you will not buy something at a particular time does not mean that you will purchase it later. If I were to say "I will not be paying a hooker for sex tonight" does not mean that I have, or would ever, pay for the services of a prostitute.

What the statements from the PA guys really means is that there are lots of people who are really into gaming, have the disposable income to afford the PS3, and typically purchase gaming systems within the first couple of months of launching, that are not going to buy the PS3 because of its price and Sony's hubris; when you consider that Penny-Arcade makes its money (in part) because they keep in touch with what's cool in gaming, if they don't buy the PS3 at launch what kind of statement are they making?

All I can say is that of all of the people I know who tend to buy systems early none are interested in the PS3 anymore; the odd thing is that after E3 2005 I was the only one interested in the "revolution" whereas everyone else was planning on purchasing the PS3. If no one buys the PS3 initially, why would developers produce exclusive games for it next year? If no developer is producing exclusive games for it why would you buy the PS3?

Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... (1)

Ryan Amos (16972) | about 8 years ago | (#16009100)

It doesn't matter, Sony can't make enough of them for it to be successful anyway. They'll sell out the initial batch of PS3s well into next year simply because of the limited supply. I bet that once they get their manufacturing worked out, we'll see the PS3 drop down to $300. Right now all they're trying to do is cash in on the $1200 eBay sales and take a slice of that for themselves because they know they can't make enough to meet demand.

They're only releasing the PS3 right now for marketing purposes so they don't 2 holiday seasons without a next gen console to compete with the X360. If the PS3 fails, it will have as much to do with Microsoft outmaneuvering Sony as it does with Sony's blunders.

Re:True, the PS3 will not fail... (1)

timster (32400) | about 8 years ago | (#16009237)

I think that when most people say "fail" in the context of the PS3, they don't mean that it will go the way of the Dreamcast. Everyone is aware that Sony has huge momentum coming off the PS1 and 2, and it seems unlikely that there would be any mass exodus of developers. Expecting crickets chirping at launch (as seen with the N-Gage) is completely irrational.

The problem with TFA's thinking, though, is that Sony is in a completely different position from Microsoft and Nintendo. Nintendo spent relatively little developing the Wii, they will probably sell the console at a small loss if any, and their existing console has almost no momentum at all. From this position, if Nintendo captures 30% of the market they will have achieved a massive success.

Sony spent a fortune developing the PS3, they will spend a fortune selling it at well below cost, and the PS2 is still a huge success. From this position, capturing only 30% of the market would be an unmitigated disaster for the company, and I wouldn't expect any future Sony consoles.

This is why it's short-sighted to speak of the console war in terms of #1, #2, #3. Each of the consoles represents a large financial investment that must be evaluated on its own terms. From where I stand, the PS3 looks like a poor investment that may not bring Sony returns to justify the expense. It's not unreasonable to consider that a failure.

Something Positive (1)

dintech (998802) | about 8 years ago | (#16008458)

Its great to see someone tackling both fanboy myths and non-gamer myths in the same article. Its really puts into perspective that both of those groups think about things in the same ignorant way.

Re:Something Positive (1)

garylian (870843) | about 8 years ago | (#16009066)

Actually, there wasn't anything impressive at all about this blog. It was all things that are fairly obvious to just about everyone except those who are raving fanatics about .

How this got accepted at /. is anyone's guess. Slow news day?

Eleven. (5, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008461)

Myth 11: Breaking up an article into little bitty chunks and failing to provide a printer-friendly view motivates people to read your content.

Re:Eleven. (1)

refitman (958341) | about 8 years ago | (#16009449)

Just scroll down a bit.

Under options you can quite clearly see the word "Print".

D'oh

PS3's failure is not a "myth". (4, Insightful)

zyl0x (987342) | about 8 years ago | (#16008469)

The Playstation 3 will fail.
By definition, a myth is:
1. a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, esp. one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.
2. stories or matter of this kind: realm of myth.
3. any invented story, idea, or concept: His account of the event is pure myth.
4. an imaginary or fictitious thing or person.
5. an unproved or false collective belief that is used to justify a social institution.
Going from definition 3, which I assume this "journalist" is also using, the PS3's failure would have to be completely made-up. This is, in fact, quite the opposite. The PS3's failure has been a calculated one, gathered from both the facts given to us from Sony's stupid PR team, and the concepts of what have made successful consoles in the past.

Re:PS3's failure is not a "myth". (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | about 8 years ago | (#16008615)

Yeah, he is contorting the concept of a myth for that one. Normally, when one "debunks" a myth, one shows reliable information that pretty conclusively removes "reasonable" doubt to the contrary. To "debunk" the "myth" that the PS3 will fail, it seems that you need to say, "according to this visit on my time machine..."

Thank goodness it is a new article! (3, Interesting)

bigbigbison (104532) | about 8 years ago | (#16008471)

WHen I saw the headline, I was afrad that someone had stumbled on Henry Jenkins "Video Game Myths Debunked" [pbs.org] had been rediscovered once again and posted. (Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the article, but it just gets discovered every once in a while as if it were a new article).

Is this some sort of joke? (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008487)

So on the first page I read this.

I've been following interactive games for nearly two decades now, both as a gamer and as someone who writes about gear that PC gamers use.

Than I get to the second page and read this.

I'm not much of a Sony fan, and never owned a Playstation 2.

That is where I stopped reading. How am I suppose to take someone opinion seriously when they aren't even a serious counsel gamer. No offense, but there is a very different world between that of a counsel and that of a PC, and a very fine line as well. A fine line that has long been crossed with a 600 dollar price tag and a trail of broken promises. It is very hard to take this artical seriously whatsoever.

Re:Is this some sort of joke? (1)

slackingme (690217) | about 8 years ago | (#16008647)

Totally off-topic, I guess, but maybe not..

A factor I could see hurting the PS3 might be that while the PS3 is this generation's "new hotness", the PS2 might finally seem like a deal to those of us that haven't had interest in one before.

As-in.. I haven't been interested in getting a PS2, but when the PS3 is out and the PS2 can be had on the cheap.. I might actually get one. (And I think "Sony sucks.")

There's a library of games in place, enough that I can actually find a few I like. They're all available used for way less than the $50-$70 Sony thinks they'll milk out of gamers on PS3 titles. GameStop and the like will be flooded with people trading in their PS2s towards credit on the PS3 ($600, man, it's just too much..)

I dunno, I never even considered getting a PS2 but I'm thinking about it now.

It can go right next to my Wii :)

joke is on you a-hole: do you mean CONSOLE? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008699)

no message. just burn.

I'm not usually a spelling nazi, but... (3, Funny)

Chosen Reject (842143) | about 8 years ago | (#16008706)

How am I suppose to take someone opinion seriously when they aren't even a serious counsel gamer. No offense, but there is a very different world between that of a counsel and that of a PC

My wife is in counseling psychology. She plays games, so I would consider her a serious counsel gamer and she thinks the PS3 is not going to succeed. Also, you are very correct that there is a big difference between counsel and a PC. However, with the Internet, I get a lot of counsel from my PC, so I guess it really is a fine line.

Re:Is this some sort of joke? (1)

nullChris (222844) | about 8 years ago | (#16008870)

Since when does Sony Playstation = Console Player?

People who played on predominantly NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Master System, Genesis, Saturn, Dreamcast, Xbox, Xbox 360, and others would beg to differ.

You don't need to own a playstation to be a serious console gamer.

Re:Is this some sort of joke? (1)

bigbigbison (104532) | about 8 years ago | (#16008880)

You have to have a PS2 to be a console gamer? So all those machines I've bought from Atari, Nintendo, and Microsoft don't count? Curses!

Re:Is this some sort of joke? (1)

Slovenian6474 (964968) | about 8 years ago | (#16008953)

i saw "Anonymous Coward". That is where I stopped reading.

Xbox, Gamecube, Dreamcast, (S)NES don't qualify? (1)

Ahnteis (746045) | about 8 years ago | (#16009106)

He doesn't have a PS2 so he's automatically not a console player? Crazy me, I thought there were lots of OTHER consoles out there.

Re:Is this some sort of joke? (1)

Moofie (22272) | about 8 years ago | (#16009244)

"serious counsel gamer."

A what?

5 pages to say nothing? (3, Insightful)

Xehn (669415) | about 8 years ago | (#16008495)

Printer friendly version [extremetech.com]

This entire article reads like "Here is something no one really believes in the first place, and here is why it isn't true." This isn't "debunking myths", this is taking things that MAY have been true about gaming 10 years ago, and listing common sense exceptions that anyone reading the games section of /. would mutter in their sleep.

From TFA:
I'm Embarrassed About Gaming
This is not so much a public myth, as a private one. I've spoken with large numbers of people over the years who confess to me that they're gamers, too, as if we're part of some giant Gamer's Anonymous group trying to break the habit.

I don't know about you, but I've never thought of gaming as an embarrassment. Especially when today, the game industry does more in sales than Hollywood. How many people are embarrassed about enjoying movies (certain prequels of certain sci-fi trilogies notwithstanding)? I, for one, am embarrassed I took the time to read this.

Re:5 pages to say nothing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008602)

"specially when today, the game industry does more in sales than Hollywood."

That's a myth. IIRC, started when some bozo compared US box office numbers versus world wide video game sales.

"Video Games Are Too Violent" (4, Insightful)

n6kuy (172098) | about 8 years ago | (#16008525)

...is not a myth. It's a personal opinion.
For some people, no video game is too violent; for others, even Pac-Man is way too 62% violent.

Most of these "myths" became redundant ages ago... (1)

Red Samurai (893134) | about 8 years ago | (#16008536)

I mean, who still thinks gaming is embarassing? And handhelds are for kids? They don't know what they're talking about.

Uh... (5, Interesting)

Dragoon412 (648209) | about 8 years ago | (#16008544)

But the proponents of PC gaming Armageddon forget that the game play styles of PC games versus console games are different.

This gets bandied about all the time, and I wonder if anyone saying it ever stops to think.

PC and console games tend to be different because the systems have different capabilities. Your PC's monitor has, traditionally, crammed a lot more pixels onto the screen than your TV's. This has tended to favor genres that need a lot of screen real-estate, like RTS, and the genres that typically go heaviest on the eye candy, like FPS. Furthermore, every PC comes equipped with a keyboard and mouse (spare me the pedantry of your 8086 not having a mouse), which gives a more precise control setup than a typical gamepad. What needs precision in control more than anything? FPS games. Hence, the PC has dominated RTS and FPS, while the console has played to its strengths (or, at least, to minimize its weaknesses), giving us menu-based RPGs, sports, platformers, and the like.

But think about it - HDTV? A 1080p TV is pushing a lot more pixels than most peoples' monitors. Even at 720p, you've got a whole lot of pixels on that screen. And the consoles are taking advantage. RTS is looking more and more feasible on the console. Meanwhile, they've got the "ooh, wow, eye candy!" effect from the resolution increase. So does anyone think it's really a major stretch to see a KBM setup on a console? Hell, the Xbox already has one! And for all we (no pun intended) know, the Wiimote is going to blow the KBM setup out of the water for FPS gameplay.

So, I'm not saying the PC is dying, but looking at this zomg pc gamez r difrent then console games argument: the gameplay experiences are different because of the hardware differences, and the hardware differences are decreasingly significant.

The PC once had exclusive dominion over online play, superior control, superior display, and moddability, at the expense of higher cost and (potentially) having to deal with the headache of PC hardware/compatibility issues.

Now, the consoles have online play. They've got the great displays, and tentatively, even better control, with none of the hassles of PC gaming.

The only thing the PC's got a leg up on, now, is moddability, and with the likes of XBL, how long can we expect that to last, maybe this generation?

Re:Uh... (1)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | about 8 years ago | (#16008640)

So does anyone think it's really a major stretch to see a KBM setup on a console?

No. But I think it's a major stretch to think that people will start to have their consoles at their desks. Because using a mouse and keyboard at your sofa is simply not gonna happen. Of course the Wii could change things.

Re:Uh... (1)

Slovenian6474 (964968) | about 8 years ago | (#16009101)

I'd have to agree and disagree. First off, i think console and PC games do in fact have a different style. In this area i would agree with the author of the article on the RTS and FPS. Although the console area is catching up to the abilities of the PC, they aren't there yet. Yes 1080p is here but still quite expensive. Most 19" CRTs and 20"+ LCD can reach 1600x1200 resolution. That're significantly cheaper than any 1080p TV i've seen.

As for the FPS, the Wiimote has vast potential for this area in the console. As an avid FPS PC gamer, i'm all for the fun of the Wiimote (i'm waiting in line for this one), i'm still rather skeptical of the precision of the technology against the precision of the mouse+keyboard.

Now for the part i agree with. Money aside, TV's are getting up there in resolution with 1080p. I think consoles can EASILY appeal to more FPS with an addition of a keyboard and mouse to the console along with several games supporting it. The wiimote definiately looks fun, that's something i have to try before i can say more about it.

Final thoughts, i don't think console gaming will ever replace PC gaming and visa versa. Currently they ARE in fact relatively seperate styles. There are many exception though. Halo is an EXCELLENT console FPS which i feel wasn't as great on the PC even with the keyboard+mouse. I felt the lack of precision (compared to a mouse) using the joysticks actually added to the balance in the game. But as main stream people, PC has a higher resolution screen, tighter control, more options. Next-gen systems are definately picking up ground though. Like you, i'm very curious to the potental of the Wiimote and XBL.

Re:Uh... (1)

brkello (642429) | about 8 years ago | (#16009425)

Not that I disagree with your point about games being different (even though they are to a certain extent)...but I disagree with the spirit of your post.

I play both PC and console, and really don't have any sort of bias because I like both. The difference between the two is more about how I want to interact with the game. If the game has simple controls, then they are great for a console. If they are more complex, they are better for a PC. Now hold up, I know you mentioned that consoles will have (in fact already do) setups to have a keyboard and mouse. That's fine, but my console is set up to my TV. My TV is all about comfort. Soft reclining couches facing a big screen tv. I do not want to have a Keyboard/mouse setup because there is no comfortable way to use that in my living room. It would be just as weird to me to hook up a controller to my PC and sit at a desk a few feet away from the screen. So even if I have those options, I won't take them. PCs will always be superior to consoles for FPS's and RTS's and games like civ IV for this reason. I'll enjoy RPGs more on a console because I can relax and enjoy the story. This is the main difference and this isn't going to change.

And as far as XBOX live and other console Inernet services...those come no where close to what you can get from the Internet. The only content patches you will get off of there is stuff that is released by the developer and they will charge you for it. The Internet offers so much more from the user community and it is free. Maybe if they opened it up to more free user developed mods...but currently it is not going in that direction.

PC and console gaming are alive and well and will be for a long time. They both have nice little niches to fill and nothing has come out or is coming out that leads me to believe this will change.

Impossible revelations! (1)

Opportunist (166417) | about 8 years ago | (#16008554)

Read on tomorrow when we learn that the grass is green and the sky is above us!

Seriously now. Is there any fact hidden in that somewhere or am I just missing it between the general knowledge drivel? I was hoping to see some statistics or cross referenced research that can be used to come to the revelation that (insert 'myth' here) can be busted.

Instead we get "oh really" statements from someone. C'mon, I can do that myself, if that's all it takes to create a well received blog, I think it's time to start typing...

For PS3, it depends on how you define failure (3, Insightful)

Astarica (986098) | about 8 years ago | (#16008555)

If failure means 'fail to utterly dominate the market like PS and PS2', which is certainly a valid criteria, then it does seem like PS3 is definitely going to fail. Note that you can get a 51% market share, which would be plenty good for any companies not named Sony, and still be considered a failure relative to the PS and PS2.

I was debunked too (3, Funny)

ReidMaynard (161608) | about 8 years ago | (#16008575)

at summer camp

Myths or opinions? (4, Insightful)

AKAImBatman (238306) | about 8 years ago | (#16008581)

Myth: The Playstation 3 will Fail
This isn't a "myth", it's an opinion. It can't be proven or disproven, because it involves matters that haven't happened yet. Once the PS3 is launched, then we can argue if it failed in the market or not.

BTW, I find it disturbing that this fellow feels that there's no way Sony will lose third party support. It's already happening *before* the console is launched. If they lose much more *after* the console's launch, the console may very well "fail".

PC Games are Doomed
As a sweeping statement, I agree that it's too broad. However, I feel compelled to argue that PC Games lack a lot of the popularity and developer support that once existed. Rather than having titles that are uniquely suited to the PC, we're instead faced with titles that are designed to be ported to consoles. The result is that the PC Platform is missing all the fresh titles that would push gaming into new realms. PCs are quickly falling back into business and communications machines with Indie, Web Based, and Casual titles providing less sweeping amusements.

You Need a $500 Graphics Card
Where did he pull this one from? Hardcore gamers want a $500 graphics card, but I've never seen it advertised that you need a $500 graphics card for your inexpensive gaming machine. NVidia and ATI have budget lines for the occasional gamer.

Console Games are for Twitch Gamers
He thinks Tomb Raider: Legends is an example of a non-twitch game? Um, Civilization? Sim City? The Sims? Methinks this is what is meant by "non-twitch" games. In any case, this idea died with the SNES. (Populous, Sim City, and several other good non-twitch games.) He needs to get with the program.

Handheld Games are for Kids
This "myth" is no longer a "myth". It's blindingly obvious that the PSP isn't targetted at 8 year old Jimmy.

Console Games are Too Simple
Is it just me, or is this guy REALLY behind the curve? Again, PC Games and Console Games are the same games these days! There are very few PC exclusives anymore. So I don't know where he's getting this idea that people think this. Unless, that is, he's pulling from his 10-years-out-of-date knowledge on PCs vs. Consoles.

Games are Too Violent
This isn't a myth. As games target higher age groups, they quickly gain a lot of "adult" content in the form of violence and sexuality. Max Payne pops to mind as a game that was quite disturbing. Similarly, the new 360 title Gears of War is full of disturbing imagery like corpses hanging from hooks. Just because he's playing the Sims doesn't mean that games aren't getting more violent. Then again, just because violent games exist, doesn't mean that games like The Sims don't exist. My only wish is that there'd be a bit more diversification than there is today. Far too many titles (especially for the 360) target "Mature" audiences.

Re:Myths or opinions? (1)

Slovenian6474 (964968) | about 8 years ago | (#16009139)

Where did he pull this one from? Hardcore gamers want a $500 graphics card, but I've never seen it advertised that you need a $500 graphics card for your inexpensive gaming machine. NVidia and ATI have budget lines for the occasional gamer.

Gamers want two $500 graphics cards.

Re:Myths or opinions? (1)

sammy baby (14909) | about 8 years ago | (#16009498)

Games are Too Violent


This isn't a myth. As games target higher age groups, they quickly gain a lot of "adult" content in the form of violence and sexuality. Max Payne pops to mind as a game that was quite disturbing. Similarly, the new 360 title Gears of War is full of disturbing imagery like corpses hanging from hooks. Just because he's playing the Sims doesn't mean that games aren't getting more violent. Then again, just because violent games exist, doesn't mean that games like The Sims don't exist. My only wish is that there'd be a bit more diversification than there is today. Far too many titles (especially for the 360) target "Mature" audiences.
.

Well, there's violent, and then there's too violent. You mention Max Payne, which I think is instructive - it was a very violent game, and the sequel was not only violent but was, if possible, even more depressing - but it served to tell a story. And the story was actually pretty good, despite the overwrought style of the writing. So yeah, Max Payne was violent, but it was also good and interesting.

Contrast that with, say, Manhunt or Postal.

So anyway - I'm in agreement with most everything you're saying, but I found the juxtaposition of the "Myth: games are too violent," with your, "Well, just look at Max Payne" statement troubling. Sometimes we're tempted to make judgements about games in the abstract, or as a group, that we wouldn't necessarily make with regard to single games - MP is violent, and I wouldn't want my daughter playing it, but it's not too violent.

The "myths" (3, Insightful)

Rob T Firefly (844560) | about 8 years ago | (#16008594)

None of these are even remotely qualifiable as "myths."

The Playstation 3 will Fail - This is still wild speculation either way, until it is released and either does well or flops. Either way, speculation on the future is not a myth.
PC Games are Doomed - Groundless FUD, not a myth.
You Need a $500 Graphics Card - Not a myth for even the most basic Slashdotter with the slightest grasp on the subject.
Console Games are for Twitch Gamers - See above.
Handheld Games are for Kids - See above.
Console Games are Too Simple - See above.
PC Games are Too Complicated - See above.
PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous - Mostly a subjective argument, and too widely ranged a subject to debate in one chunk. It's an issue, not a myth.
Games are Too Violent - See above.
I'm Embarrassed About Gaming - See above.

Re:The "myths" (1)

ichigo 2.0 (900288) | about 8 years ago | (#16008663)

You Need a $500 Graphics Card - Not a myth for even the most basic Slashdotter with the slightest grasp on the subject.

Sadly a noticeable portion of slashdotters seem to not have the slightest grasp on the subject, so I think restating the obvious is in this case a good thing.

Re:The "myths" (1)

brkello (642429) | about 8 years ago | (#16009471)

I know you are trying to prove a point...but you go too far. Some of these are myths, some are not. Your reasons for them not being myths are pretty piss poor. Some are myths and some are misconceptions...and a few don't really fit. It's just on par with the other terrible game journalism I have come to expect from people who write about games.

Who ever believed these "myths"? (3, Insightful)

DesireCampbell (923687) | about 8 years ago | (#16008714)

Are they trying to say anyone ever believed in these "myths"? I can't pick out anything that any normal person would actually believe.

1. The Playstation 3 will Fail
Huh? What's the difference between this playstation and the last one? This scenario is exactly like when the PS2 was introduced: nothing really ground-breaking, better graphics, new media options, better controllers... and people still bought the PS2. I see no reason the PS3 won't do just as well.

2. PC Games are Doomed
Who the hell ever said that? I can't even fathom where that idea came from.

3. You Need a $500 Graphics Card
When has that ever been true? You need a mid-range ($150-$200) video card for top-notch graphics and performance. That has been true for nearly a decade. As new games come out and need better graphics cards, new graphics cards come out and push down the price of the older ones.

4. Console Games are for Twitch Gamers
Huh? Consoles are for platformers, auto-aim shooters, and RPGs. Where does "twitch" come into play there? The console controller doesn't lend itself to 'twich gameplay' at all. A computer mouse, on the other (twitchy) hand...

5. Handheld Games are for Kids
I've heard "video games are for kids" but nothing about handheld games specifically. Why would handheld games (the majority of which are styled after, or are remakes of, old console games) be treated differently than a TV-based console game?

6. Console Games are Too Simple
Huh? You mean the few console-only games? Most games on consoles are ports of PC games, or vice versa.

7. PC Games are Too Complicated
How is this even it's own entry? Isn't this just the inverse for the last "myth"?

8. PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous
That is true. Just being there is too onerous for my tastes. Strangely though, there's no mention of the extraordinarily more onerous 'console game copy protection'.

9. Games are Too Violent
Is Jack Thompson still alive?

10. I'm Embarrassed About Gaming
I can't imagine anyone being embarrassed about playing video games. Perhaps there's some shame in 14-hour WoW sessions, but with the general "coolness" regarded to video games over the last five years or so, I can't see anyone hiding the fact that they play Mario on occasion.

Unless they meant "myths" like 'believed by a few crackpots who have no idea what their talking about', then yes - these certainly ARE myths.

Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008840)

" 9. Games are Too Violent
Is Jack Thompson still alive?"

This is the only one I'd disagree on...it's doesn't really have anything to do with Jack Thompson...

To the general public this is simply a reflection of where the industry has moved over the years.
"Too" violent is a subjective statement / opinion but "more" and "increasingly" are better and correct terms. Most sane people do see that gaming as a whole is becoming increasingly violent as the number of Mature titles has historically increased since the inception of home consoles (gradual changes and expansion in target markets) and graphic improvements have lead to more realistic depictions of violence (i.e. cartoonish violence vs. realistic depictions).

So, "Too violent" is an opinion, not a myth.
"More violent", "Increasingly violent" is a simple fact.

Re:Who ever believed these "myths"? (1)

Pluvius (734915) | about 8 years ago | (#16008944)

Are they trying to say anyone ever believed in these "myths"? I can't pick out anything that any normal person would actually believe.

Welcome to Slashdot!

Rob

Forgot one (4, Funny)

MImeKillEr (445828) | about 8 years ago | (#16008803)

11. Duke Nuke'em will actually be finished and brought to market sometime in the next decade.

Re:Forgot another one (1)

SpinJaunt (847897) | about 8 years ago | (#16009175)

Bundled with a new "mini" game called, Vista.

Yeah, I'm looking forward to the new Minesweeper too.

Oh, the Irony (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16008992)

"There also seems to be relatively little historical perspective among some writers, which can alleviate breathless hype, either positive or negative."

Someone should inform the article's author of the irony of not including historical perspecive in his reasonings (or obvious lack thereof).

Didn't even get in to actual game myths (0)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16009090)

Something like: "Smashing all the buttons while your supermove executes will not increase damage. It will, however, ruin the controls for future patrons of your arcade." would have made an interesting article. This was just a bunch of hearsay about the gaming industry.

If I only had a brain... (2, Funny)

Sebastopol (189276) | about 8 years ago | (#16009211)

This article could have been called:

"An Introduction to Strawman Arguments for the Sake of Wasting Bits"

Bad website. BAD BAD BAD! (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | about 8 years ago | (#16009225)

I'm referring to Extreme Tech, who doltishly puts two or three paragraphs per page in a fifty page article that can fit in a single page and be read in a minute or two, if only slashdot would link the fucking printable version [extremetech.com] .

Am I the only one who hates this greedy advertising shit that, like DRM, only offends and inconvieniences the user? There is no need whatever for a fine site like slashdot to go along with this crap.

Now to the actual FA and its "myths".

Myth: The Playstation 3 will Fail
I think the author's right and hope he's wrong. I hate Sony with a passion and wish they would die a horrible death, with all their stockholders reduced to abject poverty.

Yeah, I'm the guy who got bitten by their rootkit.

PC Games are Doomed
Well, they are [wikipedia.org] and have been since 1993!

You Need a $500 Graphics Card
Er, "These range in price from $250 - $400". Ok, you need a $400 card. Still too Goddamned expensive.

Console Games are for Twitch Gamers
Of COURSE they are. So are PC games. They're not ONLY for twitch gamers, of course.

Handheld Games are for Kids
Well, they are. They're for adults, too.

Console Games are Too Simple
Ok, I'll buy that; it's a myth. Or I suck.

PC Games are Too Complicated
Well, they are. Some are also too simple.

PC Copy Protection is Too Onerous
OK, this guy lost me completely here. ANY copy protection is too onerous! There was a slashdot comment in a thread just today where a guy was pissed at some game company because of its intrusive DRM that wanted an internet connection to play single player. THIS IS TOO ONEROUS. I suppose the author doesn't conesider a root canal to bee too onerous, either. You kids will put up with anything your corporate masters throw at you, won't you? We killed game copy protection back in the 80s by not buying copy protected games, now listen to you dumbass punks. Shit.

Games are Too Violent
Well, GTA is too violent for a five year old. They're too violent for that Jackass Thompson. Me, I like violent games; the more violent the better. YMMV.

I'm Embarrassed About Gaming
It's a myth that the author, who I never heard of, is embarrassed by gaming? Or does he mean everybody is embarrassed by gaming? I'm sure some people are.

Summary: nonsense designed to serve advertising to suckers. Nothing to see here, move along.

The PS3 will NOT fail (1)

Rik Sweeney (471717) | about 8 years ago | (#16009285)

Seriously, if someone's prepared to pay over £200 for a ticket to see The Killers [ebay.co.uk] (more by the time the bid finishes), then they'll pay £600 for a PS3.

PS3 won't fail. . . (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | about 8 years ago | (#16009300)

. . . as long as Sony adopt's extremtech's click-through-one-sentence-ad-fest business model. Honestly, I think they should just put it all on one page and just have an ad every few lines instead of forcing me to click through like 12 pages.

Ermac in Mortal Kombat (1)

dreemernj (859414) | about 8 years ago | (#16009366)

He forgot about Ermac in MK. I think its about time to officially consider that debunked.

What is this supposed to mean? (2, Insightful)

Wilson_6500 (896824) | about 8 years ago | (#16009384)

"Although the user interface was tailored well for PC first person shooter fans, you could whip through Halo in about half the time it took many console players. The UI conversion may have been too good."

So, instead of either:

a) Taking advantage of the unique features of a PC to "enhance" a console-game experience with added content--and I DON'T mean just a multiplayer mode OR
b) Porting fewer games and instead focusing on developing games that play off of the strengths of their systems

... we should instead cripple the PC ports by forcing them to "play at the same level" as the consoles? I don't think I understand what the author is trying to imply with that assertion. It's a fact: PCs have a more robust control scheme barring applications that benefit greatly from analog input (joystick games such as flight sims aside--I'm talking about "tilt stick to walk" applications). If your game is hard on consoles but easy on the PC, then you've likely developed a game that's hampered by a poor control layout or simply wasn't meant to be played on a gamepad.

I'm no economics expert, but if a guy could find a way to emulate mouse control on a gamepad, he'd probably have his idea ripped off by Sony and make them a ton of money. Wiimote, I'm not looking at you because I'm unconvinced, based on what I've observed of your mode of operation, that you'll be any good for FPS.

Where did these "myths" come from? (2, Insightful)

herbieNYC (998912) | about 8 years ago | (#16009457)

Apart from the PS3 "myth", they all seem made up. I mean, who says console games are too simple? Who says PC games are doomed? Who says you need a $500 video card? Nobody I know. It's all just a bunch of waffle. Oh, and the PS3 is going to fail. Too expensive, and no way are the developers going to be releasing games as quickly as they will on the 360. Sony has focused too much on complicated hardware and left the developers out to dry.
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