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Firefox 2.0 Beta 2 Arrives

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the enjoy-the-pretty dept.

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An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla has released Beta 2 of its upcoming Firefox 2 browser for developer review. It is being made available for testing purposes only. The release contains a number of new features, as well as some enhancements to look and feel. DesktopLinux.com has posted a list of the changes along with a few quick screen grabs. Apparently, the download can be found on Mozilla's ftp site."

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Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (-1)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16018911)

Is it because I'm not using Firefox?

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16018951)

no, it's because you're not a nigger, unlike most people here.

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (0, Offtopic)

muszek (882567) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019334)

Here's another idiotic comment: Opera is better, it's already version 9 (and no, I don't use FF either, but spending 20 seconds on writing "I don't use it, I don't give a damn" wouldn't even cross my mind). I thought first posts are moderated somehow (in a "lame, moved down" way).

Re:Nothing for you to see here. Please move along. (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019418)

But ... but ... but ... Opera is not Open Sores and not Free (as in crap) Software. It's just free as in US-American piss-flavoured beer.

Firefox has its sores wide open and is inherently the best browser on The Internets.

One question before I try this out... (4, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16018948)

Can this version happily co-exist with my existing Firefox 1.5 installation without screwing everything up? I'm eager to try out FF 2.0, but not if it causes problems with the version I have installed already.

Re:One question before I try this out... (5, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019022)

Yes. I downloaded 2.0b2 and installed it alongside 1.5.0.6 and played with it for about 10 minutes. I like that you can reopen a recently closed tab. I don't like how Adblock and Flashblock are no longer compatible with it. I uninstalled it and am back to 1.5.0.6 without any problems.

Re:One question before I try this out... (3, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019097)

When it installs, does it create its own beta profile without personal configurations, or does it attempt to migrate your existing profile, or even more disturbingly, does it use your live 1.5 profile?
I realise the app exists in its own place, but the profile is more important.

Re:One question before I try this out... (5, Informative)

LiquidCoooled (634315) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019186)

Shit, its shared - backup before installing people.

Re:One question before I try this out... (5, Funny)

fireman sam (662213) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019285)

Do I have to back up my people v1.5 profile and what type of people are you installing?

*sorry*

Re:One question before I try this out... (5, Informative)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019078)

Short answer: no.

Long answer: Sure, if you make sure you use a new profile and never run Firefox 2.0 beta2 using your old profile.

If you don't understand what I just said, then stick with "no." Portable versions of Firefox 2.0beta2 may coexist as long as they don't use the standard profile directory. Unless you're absolutely sure that your existing profile won't be touched, it's best to assume not to.

In any case, if you're going to try out Firefox 2.0beta2, you should definitely make a backup of your profile.

Firefox 2? (5, Funny)

KSobby (833882) | more than 7 years ago | (#16018953)

Isn't Clint Eastwood a bit old to be doing this stuff?

Re:Firefox 2? (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019203)

Rumor is that it's not going to be Clint Eastwood, but is going to star Samuel L. Jackson...Other workin titles are "Snakes on a Fighter Jet" "Anaconda 4" "SoaF" "Snakes on a Plane 2:Snakes in the Cockpit"

This alone makes it worth it (5, Funny)

eyeye (653962) | more than 7 years ago | (#16018991)

"toolbar buttons now glow when you hover over them."

FINALLY!

Re:This alone makes it worth it (1)

tomzyk (158497) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019043)

Yeah, that kinda confuses me there. Couldn't they do that before using a slightly different browser skin?

Re:This alone makes it worth it (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019219)

So what? You can also do everything to any OS if you install a special program (such as the installer for another OS).

Even better... (1)

phatvw (996438) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019289)

Even better, there is now a separate little red 'X' button for each browser tab just like Internet Exploder 7. And Firefox successfully imported my cookies from Internet Explorer. Pretty slick! Don't you love leapfrog?

Re:Even better... (1)

nickos (91443) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019348)

"there is now a separate little red 'X' button for each browser tab"

This is a mistake usability wise. The previous system of having a close button on the far right of the tab row was much easier to use as it does not move as tabs are added and removed. I wish these people would read some books on usability!

Re:Even better... (2, Interesting)

Gospodin (547743) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019400)

I want to close a tab that is currently in the background. Previously I could not do this. Now I can. Seems the new feature enhances usability, no?

I suppose if you're closing lots of tabs, in exactly the order in which they currently appear, then the old functionality is more usable, since you just have to keep clicking a stationary button. But is this a common use case? I would think it's more common to want to close a single tab (foreground or background) or close all tabs. The new functionality enhances the former and doesn't change the latter.

Re:Even better... (1)

curiosity (152527) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019417)

That's what "ctrl-w" is for.

I'd like having the mouse widget close to the object I'm manipulating, thank you.

I hope they improved the reliability (0, Troll)

celardore (844933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16018995)

I used Firefox 2.0 beta 1 and ended up getting really pissed off. The thing crashed several times a day, I submitted a bug report every time. Went back to 1.5, and happily sailing along again. Firefox hasn't crashed since I went back to the last non beta.

Re:I hope they improved the reliability (4, Informative)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019041)

A beta was unstable and not ready for daily use? That's umpossible!

Seriously, beta 1 was unstable for me as well until I realized that it was because of a couple extensions that I had installed with the nightly tester tool that were crashing it. Since I removed those I haven't had any trouble with beta 1.

Re:I hope they improved the reliability (2, Interesting)

BagOBones (574735) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019191)

Awww yes, by-passing the version protection preventing it from doing exactly what it was supposed to do.

I have found I need far fewer extensions as FF defaults now act the way I want, so I no longer need an extension to fix the behavior.

Re:I hope they improved the reliability (1)

SlashMaster (62630) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019237)

I run Firefox on WinXP & Fedora Core 5:

FWIIW, my firefox 1.5.0.4 still crashes in updated Fedora Core 5 OS everytime that I load it up with a few too many tabs or whenever it feels like it ( i.e. If I do something like interrupt an operation such as stopping a heavilyladen pdf from displaying.

BTW, I don't have this issue in WinXP using 1.5.0.6 ... (The linux distro at 1.5.0.4 was recently updated also ).

Re:I hope they improved the reliability (1)

Vexorian (959249) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019421)

I am still using firefox 2 alpha (Bon Echo) Should try later, but this one (bon echo) has to be the most stable firefox version ever. Even the exploit that worked on 1.5.0.6 didn't work here.

I might consider it... (2, Insightful)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 7 years ago | (#16018999)

...but 1.5 turned me off to Mozilla. Konqueror loads a lot faster, and uses less memory.

Re:I might consider it... (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019220)

...but 1.5 turned me off to Mozilla. Konqueror loads a lot faster, and uses less memory.

For people without the hard drive space to dual boot, is Konqueror or any other KHTML based web browser ported to Microsoft Windows yet? The latest news on kde-cygwin [sourceforge.net] is 10 months old.

Re:I might consider it... (1)

betterunixthanunix (980855) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019308)

Unfortunately, I haven't heard many success stories from kde-cygwin, and I doubt that I will. I think that a while ago, I came across a project that was porting Konqueror and KOffice to OSX (without X11), but I guess that doesn't really apply to you.

Re:I might consider it... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019379)

When KDE 4 comes out sometime in the beginning of 2007 a lot of the KDE applications will be able to run natively on Windows and Mac OS X because of Trolltech GPL'ing QT4 in those environments.
I'm not sure that exactly konqueror will be available as it is probably pretty closed tied to linux/bsd, but very many KDE applications will be available for the windows user... They just don't know it yet... Consider it a suprise party ;-)

Re:I might consider it... (1)

CastrTroy (595695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019230)

That's because all the KDE libraries are already loaded once you log in. Try loggin into gnome and starting up Konquerer and see how much extra memory gets used just from running that one application.

Tabs will be broken (5, Insightful)

anagama (611277) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019000)

Looks like Firefox drank the coolaid and opted for the tab closing button on each tab, thus presenting a moving target for closing tabs. I hope they make single button an option a least.

Solution. (1)

FishWithAHammer (957772) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019036)

Click on the close button of the leftmost tab you want to delete. Keep clicking.

Shazam, man. Shazam.

Re:Solution. (1)

DoktorSeven (628331) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019105)

Still a moving target. What was wrong with the single close button on the right?

Too easy to accidentally close tabs, too. Hope someone has an extension to put it back the way it should be.

Re:Solution. (1)

Frymaster (171343) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019261)

Still a moving target. What was wrong with the single close button on the right?

that you couldn't close a tab that wasn't at the front, that's what.

Re:Solution. (1)

Silverstrike (170889) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019310)

Actually you can, but I think I might be the only person that ever found this "feature".

Ready?

Center button click! Ta-da! (Or click down ur mouse wheel)

If you don't have a wheel mouse, well, how are the current Lynx and Pine builds these days anyway?

Re:Solution. (1)

aurelian (551052) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019352)

No I use this all the time, and will continue to if they haven't broken it.

So the only benefit of this feature is that I get to lose a third of my screen width for tab names when I have 7 or 8 tabs open (i.e. all the time).

Re:Solution. (1)

kalirion (728907) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019290)

Still a moving target. What was wrong with the single close button on the right?

Because that means you can only quickly close the tab that's currently open?
Personally, I'm happy with the tab-clicking extension that allows me to double-click a tab to close it. Though I have a sneaky suspicion that this may be at least one of the extensions contributing to massive memory usage. Not sure how, but it's a feeling I get.

Re:Solution. (5, Insightful)

jfengel (409917) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019117)

It's not a question of closing multiple tabs. It's the fact that if you want to close the current tab, you have to hunt it down visually, rather than going to the same place in the window no matter what tab you're viewing.

We're talking about a difference of perhaps a tenth of a second, but of such microscopic units of time are human-factors decisions made. Interfaces are all about developing habits, and things that make it hard to form habits interfere with smooth operation. Maybe the new interface would make different and better habits; maybe not. I didn't think so, but YMMV.

Re:Solution. (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019351)

Click on the close button of the leftmost tab you want to delete. Keep clicking.

Until you get to few enough tabs that the width of each tab starts expanding, and the close button moves out from under your cursor... leaving you again with a moving target.

Re:Tabs will be broken (5, Informative)

.killedkenny (589139) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019064)

-Red X (Close Button)-
Some people were frustrated that Mozilla added a close button to every tab which resulted in an extension that removed those close buttons. Well, you no longer need to get an extension to remove those pesky X's, in fact there are multiple options that you can do now: display a close button on the active tab only, display close buttons on all tabs, don't display any close buttons, and display a single close button at the end of the tab strip (Firefox 1.x behavior). Here is how you can customize the placement:

      1. Start Firefox.
      2. In the Address Bar type "about:config" and press Enter.
      3. Right-Click and select New->Integer.
      4. A box requesting the Preference Name will popup and you should enter "browser.tabs.closeButtons" (without the quotes). Press OK to continue.
      5. Now you need to select the type of close button you want: 0 - display a close button on the active tab only, 1 - display close buttons on all tabs, 2 - don't display any close buttons, and 3 - display a single close button at the end of the tab strip (Firefox 1.x behavior). After entering the value corresponding to your preference press OK again.

Re:Tabs will be broken (1)

MindStalker (22827) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019337)

Ok I personally can handle this, but is there any news on if this option will be added to the preference menu before we reach firefox 2.0?

Re:Tabs will be broken (1)

Captain Splendid (673276) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019065)

Ctrl-W. I haven't clicked on a close tab button in a while...

Re:Tabs will be broken (5, Informative)

ZeroExistenZ (721849) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019175)

What about the middle button-click on the tab? (mostly using the clickable scrollbutton on your mouse)

It took a bit of adjustment, but middleclicking a link to open it in a new tab is really easy; in the case of slashdot I just load the comments I want to read, or the article while I browse on until I decide to go more in depth or reply without losing where you were.

When finished, I just middle-click the tab. It dramatically speeds up the browsing experience if you're used to using your mouse alot. (once I'm actually with both hands on my keyboard I tend to switch to keyboard shortcuts. But it's tedious to get to the right links using TAB)

Re:Tabs will be broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019269)

WHOA! it works!!!!!!!!!!!

scrollwheel click & CTRL-W

dudes you both just changed my life!!!!!!!!!

Re:Tabs will be broken (1)

Odin_Tiger (585113) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019276)

I use middle-click to close tabs. Since middle-click also is open-link-in-new-tab, and it happens to be the scroll wheel as well, I pretty much don't take my index finger of the mouse wheel when I use the net anymore.

Re:Tabs will be broken (1)

aurelian (551052) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019371)

Since middle-click also is open-link-in-new-tab, and it happens to be the scroll wheel as well, I pretty much don't take my index finger of the mouse wheel when I use the net anymore.

which leaves your other hand free I guess...

Re:Tabs will be broken (1)

bigbigbison (104532) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019095)

I seem to remember an extension for this. However, I can't find a link to it right now. I find it irritating as well, but not a deal breaker.

Re:Tabs will be broken (3, Interesting)

Blaskowicz (634489) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019102)

why not close tabs with the middle button (the same one that opens them) ? I never use that cross on the right, will disable the cross on each tab..
And now that I think of it I'll try to find a way to disable that red cross on the right you like so much ;). how can I do that with FF 1.x ?

Laptop, you insensitive clod (1)

tepples (727027) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019241)

why not close tabs with the middle button (the same one that opens them) ?

Buy me a laptop computer whose built-in pointing device includes a middle button and I'll consider it.

Re:Tabs will be broken (1)

AP2k (991160) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019106)

You are aware that middle-clicking on the tab will close it?

I can only imagine where I would be without that scroll wheel button.

Re:Tabs will be broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019309)

Answered here [slashdot.org].

Re:Tabs will be broken (1)

dorath (939402) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019201)

Personally, I like having a close button on each tab. Enough so that I stopped using Firefox for IE7. When I discovered that Opera does also, I switched from IE7 to Opera.

Madness, I know.

Re:Tabs will be broken (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019225)

ctrl-w

greetings from the year 3000 (4, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019006)

New Firefox 2 feature: Inline spell checking -- A new built-in spell checker enables users to quickly check the spelling of text entered into Web forms.

But will this detect antiquated Elglish, such as when people use "ask" instead of "ax"?

Re:greetings from the year 3000 (3, Funny)

User 956 (568564) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019026)

jokes on my typo in 3...2...1....

I guess if I were using Firefox 2 I'd be all set. :)

Re:greetings from the year 3000 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019028)

Elglish


Why does this always happen?!

Re:greetings from the year 3000 (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019373)

But will this detect antiquated Elglish

Sure, but you'll need to have the Tengwar fonts installed in order to read it.

Oh, sorry, I thought you said "Elvish." My mistake.

Guess what (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019012)


it breaks all your favourite extensions again (yes even the ones that have been working for so long that the original developer has long gone)

im getting pretty tired of forced obselence on MS platforms
maybe Linux can help...oh wait

Re:Guess what (1)

ack154 (591432) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019057)

Uh... ya. Duh.

I really hope you're not actually surprised by this. Any update to Firefox ever has broken a few extensions (or all of them). Give the developers of those extensions a little time why don't you? It's still a beta anyways.

And if you're still using one that there isn't a developer for anymore... well... too bad I guess. You don't HAVE to update.

Testing? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019033)

Too bad the Firefox project has gotten to the point where "testing" essentially means "check out all the new bugs that won't be fixed until Firefox 4.0". I'll wait for IE7.

Re:Testing? (4, Funny)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019103)

You must have incredible lung capacity. If I'd held my breath waiting for Internet Explorer 7 I'd have been dead for just over five years now.

Re:Testing? (1)

rbarreira (836272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019242)

IE7 Beta is already out. And most people don't need to hold their breath to wait for something, they just wait patiently because they don't care so much.

Re:Testing? (1)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019368)

You must have missed where I said "Internet Explorer 7," as opposed to "the beta of Internet Explorer 7."

NSIS (3, Interesting)

Trillan (597339) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019058)

I hadn't heard that Firefox was switching to NSIS.

Was the old installer Mozilla-specific code?

Either way, the switch sounds like a good idea. The old installer had its issues, and focusing on the browser and improving an existing (and already quite reasonable) installer is a great idea.

Re:NSIS (1)

Jake73 (306340) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019387)

I found this interesting, as well.

The primary drawback, however, is that NSIS is Windows-only. While you can *build* installers on multiple platforms, the installer itself will only work on Windows.

I would think this move would create some disparity in installation between plaforms.

Does it still hog memory? (5, Insightful)

TheWoozle (984500) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019071)

Anyway, Opera has most of these "new" features, and consumes fewer resources. I switched, and haven't looked back.

Re:Does it still hog memory? (1)

joshier (957448) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019267)

Doesn't bother me...

Opera is good too, I also really like firefox, and we're all going for the same goal.. Yay!

Re:Does it still hog memory? (1)

AeroIllini (726211) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019376)

Anyway, Opera has most of these "new" features, and consumes fewer resources. I switched, and haven't looked back.

The standard line.

Wake me when Opera has extension support and I can compile it myself.

More like opera? (3, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019110)

Reading over the new features mentioned and looking over the screenshots, it looks like Firefox is starting to look like Opera. The interesting thing is that Firefox started of with the concept of having a completely minimal browser where the extensions are used to customize it to the user. However, now it just seems like their copying the concepts that a bunch of popular extensions introduced (or copied from other browsers like Opera) and incorporating them into the core because they want to either improve their performance or manage the memory leaks or whatnot that 3rd party extensions cause.

On some level, it's nice, but the one thing I prefer about extensions is that their feature/fix rate is fairly more frequent than Firefox's. It will be interesting to see where Firefox is 5 years from now.

Hmmm... lets see (3, Funny)

El Lobo (994537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019111)

For instance, toolbar buttons now glow when you hover over them.
Great functionality. Can't live without it!
Built-in phishing protection
Wow, pure innovation. I've never seen anything like that
Search term suggestions will now appear as users type in the integrated search box when using the Google, Yahoo! or Answers.com
Hello!! MSN user here!
Resuming your browsing session
Pure genius. How did they invented that?
Inline spell checking
Dot'n need thtat! Ohh.. and everything for the great price of... 675 Mb in memory when 7 tabs are open simultaniously!

Really a step forwards? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019114)

Will firefox 2 feature better canvas support? Canvas is this great new tag in WhatWG's html spec that manages to mix content, presentation and scripting. It's taken years to fix html and seperate content and presentation, now the browser vendors are taking a giant leap backwards by rushing to support this modern blink tag. Why would I want firefox 2, is it a step forwards or are we returning to the stupidity of the browser wars?

Not released (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019152)

Not released, don't slashdot their FTP server. Download it from here when it updates [mozilla.org].

Mod parent up; not released yet (1)

Neeex (768224) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019407)

It's not public yet. When it is ready to be released they'll have it mirrored across many servers. Announcing it early like this causes an effective DDOS on the mozilla server.

cookies (2, Insightful)

the_wesman (106427) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019183)

am I the only one who thinks that cookie management blows in firefox? I mean, it's certainly worse in IE, but it's far from great and I haven't seen any enhancements to it in any recent versions (though I may just be blind or crazy, though not too likely) - sometimes, you go to a site for the first time and I've got FF set to prompt on cookies, so I say "hell no I don't want a cookie" then the site says "sorry, bro, this site doesn't work without cookies" so then I have to go digging around the block/allow list for cookies to try to find the right one so I can remove it from the blocked list so I can try to get into the page. considering that most of the people that use firefox are probably nerds and probably aware of things like cookies and probably are more likely to do things about them (like selectively allowing them) it is suprising to me that cookie management is so difficult inside this application - does anyone else agree?

Re:cookies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019248)

Permit Cookies [gorgias.de]

just switch off cookies and a simple click in the status bar you can add (or remove) the cookie to a whitelist

lovely

Re:cookies (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019253)

I had the same problem. The solution to it was the "Cookie context" extension. With it I have a context-menu which lets me set the current page. Doesn't work well though on lame sites without load-balancers (www1, www2,...). But better than the original.

Re:cookies (1)

skadus (821655) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019326)

You might look into CookieSafe [mozilla.org], or a similar extension. True, FF needs a better way to handle it by default, but that's what extensions are for, I guess.

Whenever I start a new FF profile CookieSafe is one of the first extensions I install next to NoScript and Adblock Plus.

Re:cookies (1)

Kelson (129150) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019422)

I actually find Firefox is the simplest browser to get cookies to do what I want.

Basically, I tell it to accept all cookies, but only for this browser session. I then create a list of exceptions for sites that I want to be able to keep cookies until their normal expiration date.

That way any site that requires cookies will work, and the moment I close Firefox, I'm back to only the cookies on sites I'm willing to trust.

Opera has a similar feature, which will delete any new cookies on exit, but it's a little trickier to get to work in the same way. Instead of just making a whitelist of sites, you have to disable the checkbox, visit the site you trust, then re-enable it.

One of the improvements (2, Interesting)

Excors (807434) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019251)

Instead of ftp.mozilla.org, try the mirror page [mozilla.org] – currently it seems to list beta 1, but you should be able to modify the download URL to get the en-US beta 2 [mozilla.com].

One small area that has had a reasonable amount of improvement in Firefox 2 is canvas [whatwg.org] support – I've been working on a canvas-based FPS engine [lazyilluminati.com] and get about 50% better performance in FF2 than in FF1.5, as well as lots of fixed bugs and memory leaks.

Most major changes (like the new graphics infrastructure that'll help provide hardware accelerated rendering, full-page zooming, HTML inside SVG [mozillazine.org], better printing, etc) are being left for Firefox 3, but FF2 seems like a solid improvement over the previous version.

The canvas is actually a nice example of progress on the web. After too many years with very little going on, the major modern browsers developers (Mozilla, Opera, Apple) are working in the WHATWG [whatwg.org] to add new features – it's a balance between proprietary extensions and W3C-style specifications, with browsers implementing features at the same time as the spec is being written and guiding its development. There's room for competition between browsers in terms of feature support, and we don't have to wait years for the standards to be completed first – but it's hopefully without the old problems of those features being proprietary and poorly designed. For example, Opera 9 supports much of Web Forms 2.0 [whatwg.org] and the Mozilla developers are just starting work on it too; and it's also designed to be backward-compatible, so the new forms are still usable in all browsers and can be emulated in some (e.g. IE) with JavaScript. Firefox 2 seems to be the first browser with client-side session and persistent storage [whatwg.org], but web sites written to benefit from that feature will be able to immediately work with future versions of e.g. Opera that support it too.

With the popularity of trends like AJAX encouraging people to think about new ways to interact with users over the web, and browsers adding features to expand the possibilities open to web developers, it'll be interesting to see what happens in the next few years.

Yawn (2, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019252)

Really...THESE kind of "features" are considered a major version upgrade?

I repeat...

YAWN!!!

Why can't a god damned browser do what it is supposed to? JUST FUCKING BROWSE???

More noticable tabs (1)

Matt Perry (793115) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019278)

I put this in my userChrome.css file a while back to make the current tab stand out more. From the screenshot it looks like I won't need this trick any more.
/*
  * Make un-selected tabs less visible.
  */
#browser tab:not([selected="true"]) {
  color: #777 !important;
}
#browser tab:not([selected="true"]) .tab-icon,
#browser tab:not([selected="true"]) .tabs-closebutton {
  opacity: 0.5;
}

Seems a bit more responsive (2, Interesting)

pcause (209643) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019314)

Been using today and it seems more responsive than Beta 1 and after a day a bit more reliable. Quick look seems to indicate that it uses less memory. Lots of add ins won't work with this and we should (hopefully) see a bunch of updates soon so that we can get our favorite add ins back!

The new tabs look nicer. I hate the "go" button and haven't figured how to turn it off, but I'm sure someone will create a theme without it.

Up next; Mozilla Opera (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16019317)

This is Microsoft-style "innovation" folks.

This is INCORRECT (5, Informative)

asa (33102) | more than 7 years ago | (#16019401)

We have not yet released Firefox 2 Beta 2. This story is incorrect.

- Asa
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