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Duke in Trouble?

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the need-more-than-a-headshot-here dept.


1up reports on rumours of trouble at 3D Realms, the long-term developers of the Duke Nukem Forever project. The duke project is apparently in jeopardy, according to the buzz, as several key developers have left the company for greener pastures. 3D Realms webmaster Joe Siegler has responded to these rumours, saying on the message boards "It's internal business - all employee departures and comings have always been that way. This is nothing new. People have left before, IT IS THE NATURE OF THIS BUSINESS. It's the way it goes ... There's honestly nothing to be concerned about. People leave. People come. There's staff on the project you don't know about."

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lol (-1, Troll)

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Doesn't matter (4, Insightful)

repruhsent (672799) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024809)

I don't think anyone still thought this game was ever going to be released anyway.

Re:Doesn't matter (4, Funny)

creimer (824291) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025588)

Except for the hardcore Duke Nukem fans who run around E3 in their foam body suits.

(BTW, Someone did tell them that E3 was cancelled?)

Re:Doesn't matter (5, Funny)

MojoBox (985651) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025880)

Why? Can't you see the comedic value of a half dozen geeks in foam body suits, wandering the deserted halls of the Convention Center, bits of paper blowing in the drafts, a broken pipe dripping water somewhere in the distance, and each of the "Dukes" quitely whispering, "Hello? Anybody here?" Come to think of it, that's a bit like the condition of DNF itself.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

abandonment (739466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16027452)

would make a good anti-fan video i'm thinkin...

Nerd funk (1)

Tz-Auber (984141) | more than 7 years ago | (#16027494)

That's wron.. whoa.... the nerd funk is overwhealming me right now.

Re:Doesn't matter (1)

kalirion (728907) | more than 7 years ago | (#16027091)

It matters very much. If the project is cancelled, few will remember it in 10 years. It is so much cooler to have a game permanently in development behind closed doors.

Re:Doesn't matter (2, Funny)

the honger (992005) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028737)

Schrodinger's Nukem

Tagged 'shocking' (5, Funny)

bunions (970377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024812)

Honestly, who could have predicted this? I am at a loss for words.

Re:Tagged 'shocking' (4, Funny)

elrous0 (869638) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026036)

I think this article is a dupe. I can swear I've seen the headlines "Duke Nuke'Em Forever Delayed" and "3D Realms in Trouble" before.


Re:Tagged 'shocking' (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16027480)

"Duke Nuke'Em Forever Delayed"

You forgot the comma:

"Duke Nukem, Forever Delayed"

There, that's better.

GASP!!! (0, Redundant)

zoomzit (860737) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024820)

I mean really... GASP!!!

Obligatory... (5, Funny)

RoloDMonkey (605266) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024824)

"We have top men working on it."


"Top. Men."

Re:Obligatory... (-1, Offtopic)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16025185)

"We have top men working on it."


"Top. Men."
Excuse me, but what in the world does Tom Cruise have to do with this?

Oh nevermind, I read that as "Top Gun."

It took... (1, Funny)

shadwwulf (145057) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024830)

...anybody this long to wonder if their project was in trouble?!?

Good grief... Didn't the near DECADE development cycle give anybody their first clue on that front?

Re:It took... (1)

RevDobbs (313888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024940)

No, wait, it's not their fault.

Duke was this close to going Gold...

But then someone re-read the '97 design spec and realized that the New Duke was supposed to feature portal technology; now they're back to the drawing board.

Hey man, I am so psyched for that release of Duke Nukem IV Forever 3D Portalicous. From the get go, 3D Realms was targetting the initial release at the PS3.

Nothing to see here.... (4, Funny)

BigNumber (457893) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024836)

Nothing to see fact there probably never will be anything to see here.

Re:Nothing to see here.... (3, Funny)

legoburner (702695) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024942)

That is not entirely true, there is always the atari 2600 [] version.

Re:Nothing to see here.... (4, Interesting)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025424)

I'm still waiting them to release a version I can play on my Atari 1450XLD [] .

For those who don't get the reference - Atari announced this top of the line 8Bit computer in 1983 as if it were already shipping. Two years later they "canceled" it. There were never any units actually made (other than prototype), yet they advertised it as a shipping product. I had the misfortune that my family decided to get one and we decided to not buy a new computer to replace our Atari 400 until we could get one of these. All the mail order houses "advertised" them with "call for price". I was 12 (with all that implies), so I called them every couple of days for about 8 months asking when they were going to have units available to sell. So, to me, the Atari 1450XLD computer is the epitome of vapor ware.

So... (4, Funny)

daranz (914716) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024844)

So Joe Siegler is basically saying that the infinitely long developement process for DNF is going to continue as planned, and will be subject of jokes and speculations for many years to come... Good to know.

Re:So... (1, Redundant)

greysky (136732) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025645)

...process for DNF is going to continue...

Okay, this is the first time I've noticed that the abbreviation is DNF. In racing it's the abbr for "did not finish".

whoa (1)

bunions (970377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026060)

just more evidence that it's an elaborate hoax. yes ... all the pieces are starting to fit together ...

Duke math (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16026274)

So Joe Siegler is basically saying that the infinitely long developement process for DNF is going to continue as planned
.. so now it's limit of f(x) as x approaches Nukem?

Re:So... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16027160)

Originally I had planned to not change my underwear until DNF came out.

The boxers have since morphed into an extra-dimensional life form and are currently taking over the planet.


I thought... (5, Funny)

exp(pi*sqrt(163)) (613870) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024851)

...Duke Nukem Forever was a geek joke. You know, like the coming of the Messiah, the second coming of Jesus or the arrival of the Maitreya Buddha. I didn't know there really was such a game in development. That's shattered my whole world view. I might have to rethink my views on religion now.

Re:I thought... (1)

Luctius (931144) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025100)

No you don't. You only need to do that when it hit the shelves. So no worries there.

Re:I thought... (2, Funny)

soft_guy (534437) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025345)

I thought Duke Nukem Forever was a geek joke. You know, like the coming of the Messiah, the second coming of Jesus or the arrival of the Maitreya Buddha. I didn't know there really was such a game in development.

Apparently you are correct.

If 3drealms had said from the start (0, Redundant)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16024871)

... that 'forever' referred literally to the release, we wouldn't even have to talk about it every 6 months. At this rate, computers will be self-aware well before 3D realms ship this turkey.

Re:If 3drealms had said from the start (3, Funny)

Khyber (864651) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025213)

Hell, at this rate the self-aware computers will have made it before 3Drealms! Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Willis?

Duke is like JonBenet to the gaming media (-1, Offtopic)

amuro98 (461673) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024902)

Does anyone honestly care about this game anymore? It's almost as old as the JonBenet murder - and yet the media can't seem to get enough of either story. And just like the JonBenet case,

Maybe they're related? I mean, the JonBenet case was just thrust back into the public's eye, and now this. Coincidence? I think not!

Re:Duke is like JonBenet to the gaming media (1)

timster (32400) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025116)

I guess it's a great story because it's so obviously silly. The very notion of a commercial game without a deadline is really ridiculous in the first place, and DNF's development to date provides a striking example of why this is the case. Yet still, after throwing away not only lots of money but also the reputation of a once-valuable franchise, they continue to repeat the "when it's done" mantra like a broken vinyl recording of a George Bush speech.

You'd think that they would learn something after all these years, and set a deadline after which the game would be shipped off to Korea for completion into shovelware so that they could focus on something else. You would have expected such a thing fully five years ago, and still they truck on. It's like a stupidity vortex has descended, and one can only imagine how long it can possibly last.

Re:Duke is like JonBenet to the gaming media (1)

CrackedButter (646746) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025233)


Re:Duke is like JonBenet to the gaming media (-1, Troll)

say__10 (768448) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025162)

Maybe Joe Siegler killed her. Just a thought.

Favorite joke:
Whats cold, wet, and covered in semen?


*drums still rolling*

*drums coming to a cresendo*

Answer: JonBenet Ramsey, day after Christmas.

*high hat, cymbol hit*

Thank you, thank you.

"The duke project is apparently in jeopardy" (3, Funny)

ip_freely_2000 (577249) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024921)

In other news: Water is wet.

At first... (1)

Skazka (600387) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024941)

...I thought this was posted for the obligatory September Fools joke.

Re:At first... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16025750)

No, that's being saved for the announcement that they're going to rename DNF to Snakes in a Game.

Of course people left (2, Insightful)

MobyDisk (75490) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024949)

Duke Nukem has been in the making for 10 years! With an average lifespan in this undustry of 3 -5 years, how the heck could a 10 year project be completed with the same set of employees?

"It's time to write code and chew gum... and I'm all outta gum."

Re:Of course people left (2, Funny)

antifoidulus (807088) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025047)

And apparently, code too

Re:Of course people left (0)

Judge_Fire (411911) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026046)

Now I get it - vaporware is made by undustries! Of course!

Re:Of course people left (1)

Hangin10 (704729) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026149)

Then what do outdustries produce?

It is the nature of a business. (2, Interesting)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024954)

You get burnt out in the game industry unless you're constantly shipping high quality titles. Turn over in a couple years isn't amazing, but it's not a great thing.

The fact is after EVERY game there's a good amount of turn over and even then that's a game that takes 2-4 years. People wanted to stay with the company til the game goes gold then leave. Duke Nukem has been going for far longer than any other game it's not a shock people are leaving the company now, especially before people have seen the game.

This might mean the game isn't amazing or up to par and people want to cash out now, but more likely it's business as usual.

A joke to everyone? (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16024979)

So if the list of developers is secret... Is there a chance that nobody is working on it? "We have secret people working on it" just sounds like an ongoing part of a joke. Maybe all the 3D Realms developers are really working on something else, and they just release bits of news about DNF whenever the company needs a laugh?

Looks great on a resume (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16025004)

Latest achievements: Responsible for bringing the Duke Nuk'em forever project to completion. I mean... errr... how can a guy write that with a straight face? Can you imagine the interview?

I'm disappointed (5, Funny)

ludomancer (921940) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025009)

After keeping the stupid project alive for so many years, I really am surprised. You'd think after 10 years it'd pretty much keep going forever, if not eventually get released.

I really hope this game doesn't get cancelled. I really want to play this badly because I have the highest expectations of getting the absolute worst game ever. Something to love for it's terribleness. Something Mystery Science Theater 3000 bad.

Please release this game. I honestly can't wait.

Re:I'm disappointed (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025203)

A game where you have to kill enemies smaller than flies [] ?

Re:I'm disappointed (1)

Chosen Reject (842143) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025300)

An infinite number of monkeys, on an infinite number of typewriters, will eventually produce the collected works of Shakespeare. John Romero's Daikatana was a ten-minute, five-monkey job. Found here. []

Re:I'm disappointed (1)

sharkey (16670) | more than 7 years ago | (#16027555)

On the other hand, as much as we like to run down the embarrassing side of Romero, at least he got to plug Killcreek.

Re:I'm disappointed (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025605)

I wonder if 3D realms is trying to create the ultimate Duke Nukem Forever experience with a paradigm shift. They could very well be experimenting with a old coding technique that was never really implemented. Anyone wanna take bets that there are 100 million monkey's chained to 100 million computers running basic hex editors? When any of them have typed, say, 4GB of code, it's thrown on a DVD and into a PS2/360/XBox/PC and tested to see if they get a 'Good Duke'?

As everyone predicted... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16025024)

it is gonnna take Duke Nuken Forever to be finished.
Nothing else to see here, move along.

nearly 10 years later... (2, Insightful)

logicassasin (318009) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025038)

C'mon now... Duke Nukem Forever is taking forever to release. The majority of people that were waiting for this game have forgotten about it. Those that remember it treat it as a joke. The hype surrounding this game once rivaled or surpassed Daikatana but, hey, at lease Daikatana was actually released. Duke Nukem Forever will go down in history as the one piece of software that completely defines the term "Vaporware".

I would have appreciated it more if 3DRealms said "Hey, we fucked up on this one... DNF will never be released. We're busy working on 'Rise of the Triads 2006' and 'Blake Stone: I Come To Kick Ass'". At least you can respect them for admitting a screw-up instead of constantly dragging Duke's good name through the mud.

Re:nearly 10 years later... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16026300)

OMG! I totally loved Rise of the Triad!

Re:nearly 10 years later... (4, Interesting)

HolyCrapSCOsux (700114) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026454)

I think I would rather see a ROTT '06 than DNF

Re:nearly 10 years later... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16027872)

You just want dogs taking mushrooms and bouncing on trampolines to be socially acceptable again.

Oh yeah, and flying, multicolor monk heads. And "priest porridge." I think there was a big scandal about that not too long ago.

Seriously, just because you were young when you played it doesn't mean it was good. I look at a lot of the movies now that I liked when I was younger...and I don't see what I liked in them any more.

disenchanted (1)

gsn (989808) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025040)

We all know the forever in DNF actually stands for how long we have to wait before we see this game. I've some hope mostly because I go back and play the original D3D and its still fun and I want more. And they did finally release Prey.

Thats also what I'm scared about - I just don't want it to be like Prey where the original claim was that there was going to be non linear gameplay and you could interact completely with your environment, destroying it or whatever. We did get portals in the end but heck I've seen that since Heretic - they just did it with a lot more style. Prey was o.k. - took about a day to get through and that was it - fun but nothing spectacular - just was not worth the wait.

First Global warming, and now this... (3, Funny)

zoomzit (860737) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025074)

My children's children's children have absolutely nothing to look forward too...

Oh...thank god nothing worse (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16025083)

At first I read it as DYKE in trouble

Duke is dead? (5, Funny)

BrunoBigfoot (996441) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025087)

He's not dead. He's frozen. And as soon as we find a cure for cancer, we're gonna thaw out the Duke, and he's gonna be pretty pissed off. You know why? Have you ever taken a cold shower? Well, multiply that by fifteen million times, that's how pissed off the Duke's gonna be. I'm gonna get the Duke, and John Cassavetes, and Lee Marvin, and Sam Peckinpah, and a case of whiskey, and drive down to Texas...

Re:Duke is dead? (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025516)

excellent no cure for cancer reference!

Re:Duke is dead? (4, Funny)

Valthan (977851) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025550)

You know, you really are an asshole!

Re:Duke is dead? (1)

BrunoBigfoot (996441) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028486)

Why don't you just shut up and sing the song, pal...

Re:Duke is dead? (1)

Wolfrider (856) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025781)

+1 Insightful ...especially if you've seen the Halo movie set to that song. If not, I can send you a copy. ;-)

What's the fuss all about? (1)

carvalhao (774969) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025195)

I never understood completely what all the fuss with DNF is about. They've been honest about the timing of their development cycle from day one. Hell, they even put it on the game title how long it would take: "Forever".

I wonder (1)

The_Pariah (991496) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025245)

Huh... Wonder if this will cause a delay in the game release


What's the deal? (1)

nEoN nOoDlE (27594) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025273)

I'd really like to know what's going on with this game. At this point, it's taken longer than an operating sSystem to develop, and it's been an industry joke for many years. What gives? Do they have like, 1 programmer working half time on it? I can't imagine working on a single product for so long, so it's no wonder there are people leaving, I'd just like to hear the actual story of why it's taking so long, and not just a press release version of "we'll ship it when it's done."

IDEA!! (3, Insightful)

nascarguy27 (984493) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025288)

Since it'll never be completely done, open source Duke Nukem Forever. That way it can forever be in beta AND people can use it. Unless of course it's unusable at all now. Hopefully it's beyond that.

Re:IDEA!! (1)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028784)

I was thinking about that and yeah, that would be cool if they gave up on developping it and released the sources as they are, I'm sure lots of people would like to help with this project and get the work done. Actually I'm sure the result would be better by far if the open source community completed it than if 3D Realms did.

If they'd stop coding it in PERL. (1)

neo (4625) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025330)


They MUST be using Perl to code this thing because that's the only way it could take this long. I know I'm going to get trolled down by all the Perl babies out there, but can you honestly think of any other reason it could possibly take this long to code a FPS? And one with no plot line to boot?

The only way would be code that looked like this: []

Obituary (5, Funny)

Nahor (41537) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025332)

And soon, we'll learn that people killed themselves on the project, while in truth, they just died of old age.

maybe (4, Funny)

Billly Gates (198444) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025415)

Maybe the DNF developers are leaving to join the exciting GNU/Hurd team with its quick and upbeat release record.

Re:maybe (1)

gstoddart (321705) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025865)

Maybe the DNF developers are leaving to join the exciting GNU/Hurd team with its quick and upbeat release record.

I'm pretty sure we've been waiting for Hurd since way before DNF. Like by about a decade [] if we count 1983 as the starting point of that project.

That's just scary.


Re:maybe (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16026006)

That's because Richard Stallman is all talk and no action.

Re:maybe (1)

WilliamSChips (793741) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026881)

Oh yeah, then what about GNU? RMS doesn't even work on Hurd anymore, he mostly works on Emacs now.

Re:maybe (1)

SanityInAnarchy (655584) | more than 7 years ago | (#16027152)

In all fairness, I believe you can, in fact, download and run the HURD, and have been able to do so for years. It just sucks royally when compared to any useful OS.

DNF? (1)

kolding (55685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025480)

I'm sure it's been mentioned before, but isn't it ironic that DNF in some racing (skiing, at least, not sure about others) means "Did Not Finish"....


Re:DNF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16025733)

Sailing, as well.

Re:DNF? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16026822)

yeah, horse racing, auto racing, foot racing. You name it, DNF means "Did Not Finish."

Development cycle (1)

CHK6 (583097) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025512)

What's interesting is the obvious amount of passion George Broussard must be putting into DNF. It's a virtual game of make believe, yet we are passing the decade marker. I'm really really hard pressed to think of any computer related product that has taken 10+ years in development before a single release. Maybe 3DRealms is banking on DNF to be the end-all of all games. If so he's sadly mistaken. If it turns out that DNF takes 10 years from start to finish, does 3DRealms think that equal time of 10 years DNF will rank #1 or even in the top 10? That's one small egg in a large basket. This might be a case of the king has no pants, and it's common in the software industry. Unfortunately, those mentalities are extremely hard to work with and for regardless of the temperment of the employee.

Re:Development cycle (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026891)

Gnu Hurd has been taking longer, Windows Vista probably has been in development also for quite a while, but wont beat it.

but what if... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16025535)

with a 10 year development cycle this could turn out to be the greatest game of all time!!

Simple word sub would work too.... (1)

Chabil Ha' (875116) | more than 7 years ago | (#16025651)

This is nothing new. People have left before, IT IS THE NATURE OF THIS BUSINESS.

Just sub in 'vaporware' and you get this.

This is nothing new. Vaporware IS THE NATURE OF THIS BUSINESS.

As a side note, why does Duke keep getting coverage??? Let the man rest in peace until the day he rises from the 3D Realms ashes and is born again at retailer near you. Until then, goodbye, Duke.

DNF is being played daily, me thinks (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16025828)

I think DNF is under active development, except without plans to be released.

3DRealms are, in my opinion, using our beloved Duke to try out new systems. So, a new rendering engine is first shoehorned into Duke, and tested. Then it is available for the other games.

The truth.. (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16026260)

The only reason the truth hasn't come out about DNF is 3dRealms is a privately held company. They're not required to release any internal company data that show this project is/was dead. If they were a publicly traded company, Sarbanes-Oxley would have forced them to come clean and/or go to prison.

I'm surprised the private stock holders haven't made a stink by now. There is no profit in lying for 10 years.

Oh, wait a minute....I guess there is....

well, that dooms the Phantom console (3, Funny)

Luxifer (725957) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026432)

What's Phantom going to use now that their star title is floundering?

Its coming out with Vista (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16026464)

That's right the new "Top Dogs" developing it are reworking it in VB .NET and are the people behind the biggest hits like mine sweeper, solitaire, and pinball. It will ship as part of Windows Vista right underneath the previously mentioned games, and will have two levels.

Buy the Vista "plus pack" to get extra levels.....


The Second Coming (1)

turgid (580780) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026709)

I've just been converted. It's a new religion! I get it now. Life is complete. I have no fear of death, for I am destined to live forever in paradise, if only I believe in the Duke.

Duke in Trouble? (1)

freeasinrealale (928218) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026742)

Ohhhhhh... thats gonna hurt cum christmas...

The List (5, Informative)

inotocracy (762166) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026790)

Has yet to be posted, so I shall do just that, things that have occured since the announcement of Duke Nukem Forever [] :

Popular Video Game Series Releases
Final Fantasy:

        * Main Series
                    o Final Fantasy VII
                    o Final Fantasy VIII
                    o Final Fantasy IX
                    o Final Fantasy X
                                + Final Fantasy X-2
                    o Final Fantasy XI
                    o Final Fantasy XII
        * Cell Phone Games
                    o Before Crisis: Final Fantasy
                    o Dirge of Cerberus: Final Fantasy VII
                    o Dirge of Cerberus: Lost Episode
        * Tactics Series
                    o Final Fantasy Tactics
                    o Final Fantasy Tactice Advance
        * Crystal Chronicles Series
                    o Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles
                    o Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates
                    o Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: The Crystal Bearer
        * Remakes
                    o Final Fantasy Collection
                    o Final Fantasy Anthology
                    o Final Fantasy Chronicles
                    o Final Fantasy Origins
                    o Final Fantasy I & 2: Dawn of Souls
                    o Final Fantasy III DS
        * Games Featuring Final Fantasy Characters
                    o Ehrgeiz
                    o Kingtom Hearts
                    o Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories
                    o Kingdom Hearts: Final Mix
                    o Kingdom Hearts II
        * Movies, Anime Series & Concerts
                    o Final Fantasy: The Sprits Within
                    o Final Fantasy: Unlimited, Entire Series
                    o Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children
                    o Final Fantasy: Dear Friends, Entire World Tour

Grand Theft Auto:

        * Grand Theft Auto
                    o Grand Theft Auto, Gameboy Color Port
        * Grand Theft Auto
        * Grand Theft Auto: London 1969
        * Grand Theft Auto: London 1961
        * Grand Theft Auto 2
        * Grand Theft Auto III
        * Grand Theft Auto: Vice City
        * Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas
        * Grand Theft Auto Advance
        * Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories
                    o Grand Theft Auto: Liberty City Stories, PS2 Port
        * Grand Theft Auto: Vice City Stories
        * Grand Theft Auto IV

The Legend of Zelda:

        * Ocarina of Time
        * Majora's Mask
        * Oracle of Ages
        * Oracle of Seasons
        * The Wind Waker
        * Four Swords Adventures
        * The Minish Cap
        * Six remakes of previous Zelda titles for the Gameboy Color, Gameboy Advance and Gamecube.
                    o Link's Awakening DX, Gameboy Color
                    o A Link to the Past, Gameboy Advance
                    o Ocarina of Time, Gamecube
                    o The Zelda Collector Edition, Gamecube
                    o Classic NES Series: The Legend of Zelda, Gameboy Advance
                    o Classic NES Series: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, Gameboy Advance
        * Phantom Hourglass
        * Twilight Princess

The Sims:

        * The Sims
        * The Sims: Livin' Large
        * The Sims: House Party
        * The Sims: Hot Date
        * The Sims: Vacation
        * The Sims: Unleashed
        * The Sims: Superstar
        * The Sims: Makin' Magic
        * The Sims Online
        * The Sims 2
        * The Sims 2: University
        * The Sims 2: Nightlife
        * The Sims 2: Open for Business
        * The Sims (Console Port)
        * The Sims Bustin' Out
        * The Sims 2 (Console Port)
        * The Urbz: Sims in the City

Other Popular Game Series:

        * Over 75 games based in the MegaMan universe, and 12 games featuring MegaMan universe character cameos.
        * Over 50 games based in the Star Wars universe.
        * Mario has appeared in 58 different video games.
        * Every Massive Multiplayer Online game and expansion with the exception of Meridian 59.
        * Every Dance Dance Revolution and Bemani rhythm game
        * Every Pokemon game released outside of Japan.
        * Every Unreal, every Unreal Tournament, and every game that has used any of the Unreal engines.
        * Quake 2, 3, 4, and countless games that have used their engines.
        * Every Tony Hawk and extreme sport spin-off game.
        * Daikatana began development 10 days before Duke Nukem Forever- Unfortunately no one was made John Romero's bitch when it hit retail shelves on May 23rd, 2000.
        * 3DRealms and Remedy bring Max Payne and its sequel from concepts to finished games, porting both to Xbox and PS2.
        * Valve released both Half-Life 1 and 2, with several expansion packs and countless mods for each.
        * Every version of Counter-Strike and Counter-Strike Source were developed.
        * Every Thief game.
        * Black Isle was formed, released seven titles and was shut down.
        * The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind and IV:Oblivion, and the entire Baldur's Gate series.
        * Wizards of the Coast has printed six Core Sets, 30 Expansion Sets of Magic: The Gathering. If someone bought one of every single card printed since DNF was announced, they would have a collection of approximately 101,742 cards.
        * Every installment of Metal Gear Solid released to date, as well as Ghost Babel (MGS for the Gameboy) and the Metal Gear Acid series for PSP. And it is likely that the the apparent conclusion of Solid Snake's legacy, "Guns of the Patriots," will come out before DNF.
        * A garage full of programmers in Croatia (Croteam) developed the engine and created the game Serious Sam. Since then there have been multiple sequels and console ports- all off a fraction of the money 3D Realms has blown on DNF's development.
        * Every 3D Prince of Persia game.
        * Aside from Wolfenstein 3D, every single First Person Shooter based during World War II, including the entire Medal of Honor series.
        * While DNF has been in production, Blizzard Entertainment, another studio famous for delays, has released four full games(Starcraft, Diablo 2, Warcraft 3, and World of Warcraft), with expansions for three (four when Burning Crusade comes out).
        * Bioware released Neverwinter Nights with two expansions, Star Wars: Nights of the Old Republic, and Jade Empire. All games are deep, lengthy RPGs that demand multiple playthroughs.

Video Game Systems:

        * Microsoft XBOX
        * Microsoft XBOX 360
        * Nintendo GameCube
        * Nintendo Gameboy Color
        * Gameboy Advance
                    o Gameboy Advance SP
                    o Gameboy Micro
        * Nintendo DS
                    o Nintendo DS Lite
        * Sega Dreamcast
        * Sony PSone
        * Sony Playstation 2
                    o Sony Slim Playstation 2
        * Sony PSP

        * Over 4500 games were released for the above video game systems in the United States.
        * Over 350,000,000 consoles and handhelds were sold worldwide.

Fun Facts
Computers & Internet:

        * In 1997, the fastest consumer internet connection was a 33.6 kbps modem. On average, consumer internet connections are 300 times faster today.
        * When Duke Nukem Forever was announced, the fastest processor available to consumers was a 233Mhz Pentium. Since then the clock speed of consumer processors has increased over 16 times (32 times counting dual cores), and the fabrication process has decreased from 250nm to 65nm.
        * In October of 2001, Apple announced the iPod and Slashdot dismissed it as an immediate failure. Since then there have been 5 generations of iPods, as well as the iPod Mini, iPod Shuffle, and iPod Nano with 42 million iPods sold worldwide as of 1/06.
        * Steve Jobs was still running NeXT when Duke Nukem Forever was announced.
        * Every peer to peer file sharing program including Napster was developed.
        * In April of 1997, Google, eBay, and the term "weblog" didn't exist.
        * Linux gained at least 10 times the popularity it had while its kernel tripled in size.
        * Mac OS switched to UNIX and became the most highly regarded general purpose operating system on the market among the computing press.
        * Microsoft released 5 consumer-oriented versions of Windows and might release Vista before Duke Nukem Forever hits shelves.
        * Netscape Navigator 4 was released, Microsoft Internet Explorer destroyed it. Netscape 6 released on an entirely different rendering platform, Netscape dies, Mozilla foundation rises. Open-source Mozilla browsers become popular and force Microsoft to start working on new version of Internet Explorer.
        * Valve releases Steam and sets a new standard in digital software distribution.
        * MySpace has gone from beta to the largest social-networking site in the world (and the fourth most popular English language website).


        * There have been 125 tropical cyclones. 73 hurricans in the Atlantic, 52 typhoons in the Pacific.
        * There have been over 20 death-toll producing tornado outbreaks in the United States.
        * Over 50 major earthquakes have shaken the world, which have shortened the Earth day by 2.68 microseconds.


        * Adjusted for inflation, the average price of gas in the United States has doubled.
        * The Euro was introduced as a new European currency.
        * Enron has filed for bankruptcy and folded. Kenneth Lay and Jeffrey Skilling have been arrested on fraud charges and subsequently indicted and convicted. In addition, they will most likely be sentenced before Forever is released.

Movies that were filmed, released in theatres, and have made it to DVD:

        * All three Star Wars prequels.
        * The entire Lord of the Rings trilogy, with extended editions.
        * Every Pixar movie aside from Toy Story.
        * Three (possibly four) James Bond films.
        * Every movie, animation, and video game from The Matrix series.
        * Every Marvel comics movie released.
        * Each predictable twist ending of every movie by M. Night Shyamalan.

Pop Culture:

        * Britney Spears' entire musical career as a pop star has taken place during Duke Nukem Forever's development.
        * Theater box office totals since the announcement are over $2.62 billion.
        * Colin Farrell's entire movie career has also taken place during development.
        * The concept of Bullet Time has been developed, pioneered, and completely run in to the ground.
        * Cellular Phones ownership has become commonplace, whereas in 1997 they were viewed as luxurious expenditures.
        * The entire cult following of Family Guy! Family Guy has debuted on FOX, been cancelled, entered syndication, been released on DVD, redebuted on FOX, and seen the release of a feature film.
        * Six Harry Potter Books have been released, and four films produced.
        * Stephen King has written 16 novels.
        * The first episode of South Park was first aired on August 13, 1997, the same year in which DNF was announced. The show is now in the second half of it's tenth season, with 'Tsst' being the 146 episode shown.
        * King of the Hill first aired on January 12 of the same year, around the same time prototype work was being done in the Quake Engine for DNF. It recently finished it's tenth season, with 201 episodes.
        * The episode count of 'The Simpsons' has more then doubled since DNFs announcement. Season 8, episode 23 was the 176th episode, and aired on May fourth, 1997. The 352nd episode aired on May 1st, 2005.
        * Twelve seasons of Survivor. The Thirtenth comes this fall.
        * The ending of Star Trek shows Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and the beginning and ending of Enterprise, plus the films First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis.
        * Joss Whedon showed us that he truly is our master with every Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Angel, and Firefly episode. (Oh, and the movie Serenity.)

Science & Technology:

        * The Voyager 1 spacecraft has travelled 8.8 billion miles from Earth.
        * The two Mars rovers, Spirit and Opportunity were proposed, authorized, announced, designed, launched and successfully landed upon Mars where they have been exploring the surface for over 2.5 years.
        * NASA's Deep Impact program also went full circle.
        * The International Space Station was assembled and has been orbiting Earth for over 8 years.
        * NASA has launched 30 manned space shuttle missions, Russia has launched 17.
        * The Airbus A380 "Super Jumbo" plane was designed, built, tested, and delivered to airlines.
        * Tier One developed, built, tested, and launched SpaceShipOne- winning the Ansari X-Prize for being the first non-government organization to launch a reusable manned spacecraft into space twice within two weeks.
        * In 1997 there were only 50 million US cell phone subscribers in the United States. Today there are more than 200 million, which amounts to over 60% of the population of the USA.
        * The U.S.S. Ronald Reagan (the largest nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in the world) was in contract, built, launched, comissioned, and began active duty.
        * Costa Concordia, the biggest Italian cruise liner was designed, built and delivered by the Fincantieri shipyards, in Italy.
        * The Space Shuttle Columbia burnt up during re-entry, the entire Space Shuttle program went through a safety overhaul, and the Shuttle returned to flight.


        * Since the announcement of Duke Nukem Forever, the single season home run record has been broken. Twice.
        * The Red Sox broke their curse by finally winning the world series.
        * Two of the greatest NBA Dynasties in history have reigned and ended: The incredible 1990s Chicago Bulls dynasty were still unmatched in '97 and disbanded after the '98 finals. The Los Angeles Lakers acquired Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal in '97 and Phil Jackson in '99, effectively becoming the greatest team in the NBA at the time with another landmark dynasty that lasted from 2000-2002. The Lakers disbanded after losing the finals to the Pistons in 2004.
        * There have been five Olympic Games (three winter, two summer).
        * Lance Armstrong won the Tour de France 7 consecutive years.
        * The World Wrestling Federation has changed its name to World Wrestling Entertainment and bought its two main competitors, WCW and ECW, relaunching ECW, and facing new competition from TNA.
        * The Cubs have lost 798 games since April '97.
        * St. Louis Cardinals moved from Busch Stadium to new Busch stadium.
        * Philidelphia Phillies moved from Veterans Stadium to Citizens Bank Ballpark.
        * The Houston Astros moved from the Astrodome to Enron Field (Now Minute-Maid Park).
        * The Cincinnati Reds moved from Cinergy Field to Great American Ballpark.
        * The Milwaukee Brewers moved from County Stadium to Miller Park.
        * The San Diego Padres moved from Qualcomm stadium to Petco Park.
        * The Pittsburgh Pirates moved from Three-River Stadium to PNC Park.
        * The Detroit Tigers moved from Tiger Stadium to Comerica Park.
        * The Seattle Mariners moved from The Kingdome to Safeco Field.
        * The Montreal Expos are now the Washington Nationals.
        * The Arizona Diamondbacks and Tampa Bay Devil Rays were formed.
        * The Cleveland Browns turned into the Baltimore Ravens.
        * A new Cleveland Browns team was formed and moved into a new stadium.
        * The Cincinnati Bengals moved from Cinergy Field to Paul Brown Stadium.
        * The New England Patriots moved from Foxboro Stadium to Gillete Stadium.
        * The Tennessee Titans moved into The Coliseum after 3 years at a college football stadium.
        * The Pittsburgh Steelers moved from Three-Rivers Stadium to Heinz Field.
        * The Denver Broncos moved from Mile High Stadium to Invesco Field.
        * The Washington Redskins moved from RFK Stadium to FedEx Field.
        * The Phildelphia Eagles moved from Veterans Stadium to Lincoln Financial Field.
        * The Tampa Bay Buccaneers moved from Houlihan Stadium to Raymond James Stadium.
        * The Detroit Lions moved from the Silverdome to Ford Field.
        * The Seattle Seahawks moved from the Kingdome to Qwest Field.
        * Brette Farve has passed for 34,891yards while the careers of Ryan Leaf and Cade McNown began, sucked, and ended.

United States Politics:

        * The Identity of Deep Throat has been revealed.
        * 40 new members have been elected to the Senate.
        * The national debt has increased by over 3 trillion dollars.
        * The national minimum wage has remained $5.15.
        * Bill Clinton finished his presidential term, George W. Bush was elected and re-elected.

World Events:

        * 4 nations have acquired nuclear weapons technology.
        * 19 wars have begun.
        * 5 wars have ended.
        * Approximately 509,373,306 people have died and 661,373,082 have been born.
        * There have been 7 total solar eclipses and 8 total lunar eclipses.
        * The United Kingdom handed sovereignty of Hong Kong to the People's Republic of China.

Things that have taken less time than Duke Nukem Forever's Development:
Pop Culture:

        * The Beatles formed, released every single one of their albums and broke up. During this time they also toured the world several times.
        * Led Zeppelin released 7 albums, 9 singles, and toured around the world, crossing international borders 27 times (not counting mainland Europe.)

Science & Technology:

        * The Wright brothers designed and flew the first airplane.
        * The theory of General Relativity.
        * The United States' entire program to put a man on the moon, from Kennedy's challenge to the landing.


        * The American War for Independence
        * The United States Civil War
        * World War I
        * World War II and the entire Manhattan Project.
        * The United State's involvement in the Vietnam War.

Always bet on Duke! (1)

Tz-Auber (984141) | more than 7 years ago | (#16027513)

That's why we always have to bet on Duke! Look how well he paid off! :)

Re:The List (3, Informative)

4D6963 (933028) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028800)

In April of 1997, Google, eBay, and the term "weblog" didn't exist.

eBay was founded in 1995. []

Mac OS switched to UNIX...

Actually I guess we can say Mac OS had switched to Unix earlier with A/UX []

I swear, I really don't have anything better to do at 8:47am than to check your facts ;-)

DNF will come out (1)

MemoryDragon (544441) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026853)

They are just waiting for the PS3 becoming the market leader of the next gen consoles. Then they will release it as a PS3 exclusive...

A theory of late games and program development (1, Interesting)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16026871)

I have never programmed anything beyond Excel VBA. Yet my personal view is that developing _any_ program over the course of 5+ years is doomed to fail miserably - just from logic and observations about human behaviour.

Any program or game will be an interaction of modules. The textures can be seen as a module, the models as a module, the graphics engine a module, the AI engine a module, the menu system a module, the maps a module, etc. The final specifications for these are usually decided early - at the very _start_ it's decided what each module will look like when finished. This lets every module as it's created (1) be created at the edge of current technological capabilities into a cutting-edge whole, (2) be tailored to fit every other module.

When development cycles stretch out however, very bad things happen. There is a pressure to remain cutting edge - more in certain (e.g. graphically visible) modules than others. So those get rewritten, with some time taken to make sure everything still interacts right. After the time taken to do that (aided by a small development team at this stage), some other modules may lag behind technologically, and they need to be redone. After those, yet other modules need to get redone. For example, if they had had Duke Nukem Forever 'close to release' for the past five years, they would probably have had to rewrite the AI at least three times.

The problem is that firstly, when release finally happens, some modules are still ten years old, and although not very visible, you can glimpse enough of them that it hurts (e.g. the flag texture in CTF, the fonts used in menus at different resolutions, small things like that), and secondly, all the tweaking of modules has invariably made them fit less well together, leading to random crashes. It would therefore be better to simply discard anything which has been in development for 5+ years, and redo it from scratch.

At the moment I fear DNF will turn out something like Battlecruiser 3000 AD.

Re:A theory of late games and program development (1)

chromatic (9471) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028002)

... secondly, all the tweaking of modules has invariably made them fit less well together, leading to random crashes. It would therefore be better to simply discard anything which has been in development for 5+ years, and redo it from scratch.

"Invariably"? You claim that it's completely impossible to leave a unit of code a little bit cleaner every time you make a change? Very well; I claim otherwise.

I'm really really glad... (1)

RobertKozak (613503) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026879) least now I don't have to worry about the end of the world coming anytime soon.

Key personnel? (1)

Kumiorava (95318) | more than 7 years ago | (#16026937)

If some key personnel have left, does that mean it has a chance to be released? If these "key" persons have worked on the project for 10 years I think it's time to let them go and get some new people to actually finish it off.

Could it be that the game is practictly finished? (1)

inotocracy (762166) | more than 7 years ago | (#16027179)

A thought came to mind, maybe they left the company because it would be the last game they made at 3D Realms and decided to move on afterwards. Perhaps the game is pretty much done and all thats left can be done by the newbies? Sounds like it could be good news as well.

By greener pastures they mean... (1)

gijoel (628142) | more than 7 years ago | (#16027945)

... Graves or Nursing homes.

Can this be considered irony? (1)

i_ate_god (899684) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028000)

DNF in many racing sports stands for Did Not Finish

God's Game (1)

Spactonic (683577) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028352)

Listen, when you let 'god' code your game, in this case DNF, you might have to wait a while. I'm not even going to guess how long QA is going to take once hes handed it to Moses. I'm sure all the big boys up in the clouds are having a blast playing their way through the beta, while the guys down below in 3drealms have tilted their heads back, with tongues draped over cheeks, anticipating a response...

Nobody quit... (3, Funny)

AmazingRuss (555076) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028366)

...but a few did die of old age.

Re:Nobody quit... (1)

A Brand of Fire (640320) | more than 7 years ago | (#16028824)

Somehow, this brings to mind that episode of TNG, Booby Trap; I keep seeing the bridge crew of the Promellian vessel in my head, only they're DNF programmers still at their Pentium III workstations. "Commendable. They died at their posts."
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