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$600 PS3 Ships Without HDMI Cable

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the wow-they-really-know-how-to-impress dept.

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Eurogamer reports that the $600 PS3, which comes available with an HDMI port, will not ship with the necessary cable to actually hook the machine up. From the article: "According to the specs page on the official US PS3 website, which notes: 'HDMI cable not included. Additional equipment may be required to use the HDMI connector.' Sony has long promoted the 60GB PS3's HDMI output as a key feature of the machine. The 20GB model, however, doesn't feature HDMI - and nor does the Xbox 360, as it goes, despite occasional rumours of a hardware revision in the offing." The machine will, of course, come with a composite cable.

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416 comments

Bastards! (5, Funny)

wfberg (24378) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044454)

I heard they're not even including cables for the controllers on some of the new consoles!

Re:Bastards! (1, Offtopic)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044626)

Scoundrels!! Slightly off-topic: But I was playing some Dead Rising over the weekend at my buddy's house. I'd never used a wireless controller before. It's amazing how hard it is to make the conversion. Trying not to trip on the radiowaves looks a lot funnier than accidentaly kicking out the cable. Or perhaps arranging your legs on the coffee table to allow room for the radio-tubes to go under it and fall to the floor. Lots of laughs in that room.

Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (4, Insightful)

blueZhift (652272) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044460)

It seems a cheap trick, but I understand why they'd choose not to ship with cable. Depending on whose numbers you believe, the sale of peripherals like this may significantly cut the money lost selling the console itself. I'm assuming that the peripherals are not sold at a loss.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (4, Insightful)

ronanbear (924575) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044516)

It would be a moot point if you got a HDMI cable with your HD TV.

Many users don't have the right screen so a cable wouldn't be much use for them. They'll just have to buy a cable when they are buying their screen.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (3, Insightful)

skinfitz (564041) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044935)

It would be a moot point if you got a HDMI cable with your HD TV.

...except it's Sony and therefore the cable will no doubt be proprietary at the PS3 end.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (2, Insightful)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044580)

I'm assuming that the peripherals are not sold at a loss.

No, they're not. Peripherals are typically sold at a ridiculous markup. I mean, why does an 8MB memory card for a PS2 still cost 25 bucks? I guarantee the HDMI cable will be sold for between 30 and 40 bucks.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (2, Interesting)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044637)

I guarantee the HDMI cable will be sold for between 30 and 40 bucks.
I had to pay 60$CAD for the components cable for my Gamecube. And the store had to go through a import-specialized reseller to get it as it's only available in Japan (for some unknow reason).

You wouldn't believe how good Metroid Prime 2 looks in progressive mode via that component cable. On my Toshiba 36" CRT TV, anyway.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044715)

I thought about getting the GCN component cable, but I couldn't bring myself to spend the 40 bucks + 10 shipping for it this late in the cube's life. However, since the Wii will play GCN games and support component output, I'll only have to wait a few months more...

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044748)

60 dollars canadian eh? isn't that like 59 cents in US currencies? =8-P

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (1)

Daedone (981031) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044823)

UM...try again its about $1.11 today

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=usdcad%3Dx&btn G=Google+Search&meta= [google.ca]

and the longer bush stays, the better our dollar will get :)
*thinks back to the 70's when our dollar was worth more*


......soon enough, soon enough

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (1)

Yvan256 (722131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044914)

60 dollars canadian eh? Isn't like 59 cents in USA currency?
Try again, Mr.Troll. It's 54.27$US as of 2006-09-05.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (1)

D'Sphitz (699604) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044956)

how much CN to buy you a sense of humor?

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044644)

Yeah, all those big retail stores will want to try and sell the $100 Monster HDMI cable at a $50 retail markup. With the $400 Monster Power Strip and $100 Monster Digital Audio Cable.

Even though the HDMI spec was designed to allow cheap cables. I.e., a $5 HDMI cable will be just as effective as a $100 cable (although the latter might have a longer life in an environment where it gets stressed often).

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (4, Funny)

Waffle Iron (339739) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045126)

I.e., a $5 HDMI cable will be just as effective as a $100 cable

But the copper in the $5 HDMI cable might be riddled with oxygen!! I'd pay any price to avoid that fate. I don't want my digital video experience ruined by oxygen.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (2, Insightful)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044741)

I'm thinking they finally realised that market penetration still isn't that high for 1080p TVs, or any other Hi-defs for that matter. Took a cue from Nintendo, probably. It would be a huge waste of money if you sold 3 million PS3's at an additional loss of the 6 bucks (18 million loss!) for the cable and maybe only 200,000 of those buyers can use them at release. So if they sell those 200,000 cables at a $15 profit, then that's 3 million back in their pockets (a buck for every system sold).

More improtantly, they'll get a much better idea of how many people are atually utilizing the tech at this time. When they release sales numbers for the peripheral, then I'm sure that will be a very good indication of market penetration Hi-def sets in gamer households.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (1)

voice_of_all_reason (926702) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044998)

Running people down in the street and taking their wallets would significantly cut the money lost selling the console, but you don't see Sony doing that...

Um, isn't this going to backfire? Spectacularly? I mean, it's a goddamned cord. This isn't like picking out a monitor or a hard drive. "Joe's cord" will likely be just as useful as the "Excelsior(r) brand high-quality director's cut cord". People will get annoyed it doesn't come with the system, go to the store, and pick the cheapest one (sold at a modest profit if they're smart and Sony's trying to cash in on peripherals).

Then again, the demographic they're going for with the PS3 has a habit of spending extra money for name-brand items where it doesn't really count. Some clown just tried to steer me towards $100 headphones at J&R last week.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16045020)

Who the f**k cares! The Xbox 360 have most likely won by the time PS3 is here. And if anyone buys this PS3 they are probably to stupid to know what a HDMI cable is for.

Re:Pinch Those Pennies! Ouch! (1)

rainman_bc (735332) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045050)

It seems a cheap trick, but I understand why they'd choose not to ship with cable. Depending on whose numbers you believe, the sale of peripherals like this may significantly cut the money lost selling the console itself. I'm assuming that the peripherals are not sold at a loss.

Not only that, but why stop at HDMI?

They'd need to include component video, s-video, composite, AND HDMI in order to make the whole market happy.

And in the grand scheme of things, most DVD players don't come with anything other than the crappiest compositve video cable there is. If you want better quality cables you have to pay for them.

This is not news. (5, Informative)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044473)

First, the PS2, Xbox, AND Gamecube all had HD cables sold as add ons. Second - why would Sony ship every PS3 which HDMI cables, when such a tiny percentage of homes even have HDMI ready TV's. HDMI cables are only going to run you $20 anyway: http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI-hdmi_cables .html#std [ramelectronics.net]

If you've got $600 to drop on a PS3, you've got another $20 for cables. Move along, nothing to see here.

Re:This is not news. (1)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044521)

Plus, I would imagine that a large percentage of PS3 purchasers would just leave that HD cable in the box anyways, unused forever. So it would be a waste of money for Sony to put it in there. If HD was prevelant in nearly every household, then it would be another story, but since it isn't, there is no reason for them to package it. I agree with the parent, this is not news.

Re:This is not news. (1)

UbuntuDupe (970646) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044562)

Second - why would Sony ship every PS3 which HDMI cables, when such a tiny percentage of homes even have HDMI ready TV's

But if so few people have HDMI capable TV's ... er, why support it in the first place? And if they are going to support it ... er, why not get the bulk discount on the cables and pass it on to buyers?

It's like you're saying they should support HDMI, but not enough to ... support HDMI.

Re:This is not news. (2, Informative)

ravenshrike (808508) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044587)

Future compatibility. As the price comes down, more HDTVs with HDMI capability will be sold, thereby creating a market.

Re:This is not news. (1)

mwvdlee (775178) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044618)

why not get the bulk discount on the cables and pass it on to buyers

And, while we're at it, why not sell the games at production cost too?

I guess Sony is trying to minimize hardware costs in order to minimize loss on nicely rounded prices. $599.95 sounds so much better than $600.95

Re:This is not news. (5, Insightful)

badasscat (563442) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044769)

But if so few people have HDMI capable TV's ... er, why support it in the first place?

For the same reason the PS1 and PS2 supported s-video.

And btw, the PS1, PS2 and Xbox didn't come with s-video cables either, even though they supported it. The point is you put the cable in the box that's basically the lowest common denominator supported by all TV's, and then if someone wants to upgrade it, they can.

There's also the obvious question of if you're going to pay $600 for a console, would you rather Sony put $600 worth of actual machine into the box, or $600 worth of add-on junk that a lot of people aren't even going to be able to use?

But this is really nothing new, and I have no idea why it's become such a story the past couple days (it was on Joystiq too, and probably other sites) other than the fact that it's become de rigeur to bash the PS3 lately. Consoles never come with the best cable; they come with the cable supported by the most TV's.

The bigger, more important thing to note is that the PS3 has a standard HDMI port, meaning you can buy any HDMI cable for it. Why no bashing of the Xbox 360 for requiring a proprietary, MS-licensed cable at an inflated price?

btw, the PS3 will come with component cables, not just composite. Another sign of bias on the part of the submitter here...

Re:This is not news. (2, Insightful)

LoverOfJoy (820058) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044985)

I agree with what you're saying but did the PS1, PS2, and Xbox list s-video compatible as a major bullet point?


I think people are upset because the two different PS3 models make the upper one feel like a bundle of some sort. That's mostly what gamers have had experience with when it comes to two different models of basically the same thing. You either buy the bare bones unit with one controller and no games, or you buy the one with two controllers, a game thrown in, etc. everything you need to really have fun.

To find out the deluxe version doesn't include everything needed to get the full experience feels like a rip off. Especially when a lot of people are already grumbling about the $600 price tag.

So while I agree that this isn't anything really new and people are over-reacting, I can also understand why people are more upset about it than they were with the PS2 lacking an S-Video cable.

Re:This is not news. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044992)

But this is really nothing new, and I have no idea why it's become such a story the past couple days (it was on Joystiq too, and probably other sites) other than the fact that it's become de rigeur to bash the PS3 lately. Consoles never come with the best cable; they come with the cable supported by the most TV's.

The reason this is happening is that the PS3 is becoming more and more infamous, and thus an easy way to gain the attention of people is to pile-on to any problems the PS3 has; the problem (for Sony) is that Sony caused this problem for themself.

Sony's problems started with the "Next Generation doesn't begin until we say it does" comment they made at E3 after they had delayed the release of the PS3 by 8 months, was worsened when they announced the pricing of the system ($500 and $600), and became a nightmare for them when they said that it was probably "too inexpensive" to sell it for that price; essentially they've displayed a level of hubris where people start taking pleasure in their failings.

Personally, I imagine that things are going to get much worse for Sony before November; they will announce the price of their games and with the Priemium that printing a blu-ray disc will have ($10-$15) as well as the extra money third parties will demand ($10) people will be outraged by the price of new PS3 games ($70-$75); many of the launch games will be delayed or end up feeling rushed when they release making for a lackluster launch; and producing the Blu-Ray drive and Cell processor will have very small yeilds leading to massive shortages.

Re:This is not news. (1)

Tweekster (949766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044605)

because those were all last generation devices.

the PS3 is trying to push HDTV and how great it will be for gaming. Shouldnt they make an attempt to make that a fact...

Re:This is not news. (1, Insightful)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044607)

"why would Sony ship every PS3 which HDMI cables, when such a tiny percentage of homes even have HDMI ready TV's."

yea but, why would you buy the $600 PS3 if you don't have a TV with HDMI?

Re:This is not news. (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044668)

The difference is that the PS3 is supposed to output hi-def. Are they saying that composite video cabling is adequate for hi-def. It may be, but it's an interesting statement when coming from Sony.

Re:This is not news. (4, Insightful)

Garse Janacek (554329) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044670)

If you have $600 to drop on a PS3, you have another $20 for cables, true. But if they're advertising this as some sort of luxury sports car of the gaming world, and charging a huge amount for HD and Blu-ray, why assume by default that people won't be able to use them? If you're correct that such a "tiny percentage of homes have HDMI-ready TVs" that it is a negligible issue for prospective PS3 owners, then where's the damn $300 version of the console that doesn't include HDMI/Blu-ray support?

Re:This is not news. (4, Informative)

casualsax3 (875131) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044937)

Apparently you've never taken a look at a luxury sports car. Let's take the Porsche Cayman for example: http://youtube.com/watch?v=yRs6oMlyfK8 [youtube.com]

This is a review from Top Gear: it's a great clip, however for the point I'm trying to make is about one third of the way in - check out . Things you would consider essentials on a sports car - the sports chrono package (500 pounds), 19" wheels (1260 pounds), fade free carbon ceramic breaks (5350 pounds!), an adaptive dampers (1030 pounds), the SatNav is an extra 1800 pounds - even the rear windshield wiper is an extra 260 pounds. This, all on a car that's already over 50,000 pounds. Tell me again why people are getting bent out of shape here - it's a cheap $20 cable that 5% of PS3 owners are going to want/need - you can't even begin to compare that to a $400 rear windshield wiper that every single person who owned the car (especially in the UK) is going to want AND need.

$10 bucks at Sam's Club (1)

Nazmun (590998) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044930)

We sell gold plated six foot hdmi cables for $10.

Re:This is not news. (2, Funny)

cdrudge (68377) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045056)

HDMI cables are only going to run you $20 anyway

Isn't it obvious why they aren't providing one? It's so that you can spend $60 on the official Sony branded HDMI cable [bestbuy.com] . Or better yet, if you want to keep it a "pure HD" signal, you probably should step up to the $199 Monster brand HDMI cable [circuitcity.com] .

'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

ErnstKompressor (193799) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044476)

... at least...

Could they charge more for DVI/HDMI cables? I remember looking at DVI's at BB once? Freaking insane...

The cable costs a fifth of the system...

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1, Redundant)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044495)

You're an idiot if you are going to spend $100 on an hdmi cable at Best Buy. Look online, you can find one that is just as good for $20.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

AKAImBatman (238306) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044568)

But Best Buy has the gold connectors for the absolute BEST video quality! </sarcasm>

You don't even want to know how much their "Geek Squad" USB cables cost. Oh, and I love how they no longer carry any brand except "Geek Squad".

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

steveo777 (183629) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044825)

Yeah, Monster Cable gets a big, fat "-1 Overrated"

I recently had a sales rep tell me that all cables degrade over time and should be replaced every couple years, if not yearly. After I stared at him for 10 seconds or so he asked if I needed any replacements. I told him to save it for the customers whose IQ's were less than thier shoe size and go away.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

Dan Ost (415913) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045062)

My favorite is when they tell you that a digital signal sounds
better if you've got gold plated connections. Either they don't
understand what they're selling or they think we're a bunch
of idiots.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

Minwee (522556) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045185)

You may have noticed that they are still in business. Somebody has to be buying all that crap.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (0, Redundant)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044667)

Do any of those $20 cables plug into a PS3? No. Do all current and last-gen consoles require you to buy special cables with a proprietary connector on one end? Yes.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044733)

Yes, the PS3 is supposed to come with a standard HDMI port on the back. It's a digital signal so as long as you aren't getting an abnormally long cable the quality of the wire doesn't make much if any difference.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044799)

The main article says that "additional equipment may be required to use the HDMI connector" on the PS3. Where do you read that there's a standard PS3 connector on the back? I'd be really surprised at this frankly, it seems like the market lets console makers get away with it, and it's free money for Sony if they use a proprietary connector...

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

Fred Or Alive (738779) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045139)

Well, AFAIK the official pictures of the console (including the current "where did half the connectors go" ones) do show a standard HDMI conector(s), with the old fashioned PlayStation connector for everything else.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

hansamurai (907719) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044544)

For the lazy: cheap cables [monoprice.com]

Not anymore (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044545)

This is no longer the case as cheap no-name cable makers have started making HDMI/DVI cables, too. And since actual cable quality is much less of an issue than with analog signals, there's no reason not to get those.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (1)

rob1980 (941751) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044559)

Don't go to Best Buy for cables - or if you do, don't ask for help from one of their sales reps. My parents paid $70 (!) dollars for a set of component cables to go with their new HDTV because they didn't think to check for something cheaper. If I had been there I'd have told the sales rep to blow it out his ass.

Re:'Cuz a cable costs $100... (3, Informative)

gabebear (251933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044698)

Ya, but Circuit City's $125 cable [circuitcity.com] is the same thing as the discount $6 cable [outletpc.com] in this case. If sony just releases a reasonably priced cable($30) and sells it next to the PS3 then they will make a couple extra million on HDMI cables.

so for $600... (5, Funny)

konigstein (966024) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044480)

You get a console.* *Some assembly required; batteries cables and other accessories including a TV, controllers, and in limited situations console not included; By purchasing this console you agree to indenture your first born to work in sony's sweatshops...

Re:so for $600... (1)

Southpaw018 (793465) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044498)

The PS3 only hits the Sony fanbois because it loves them!

In other news... (5, Funny)

MojoBox (985651) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044487)

Sony has also announced the 60Gig version comes with the -abytes sold seperately.

HDMI for HDCP (3, Informative)

varunnangia (999363) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044490)

IIRC, HDMI cables are necessary if you need to view HDCP encrypted content - or you get a "low-quality" version of the image. Considering that most studios are not using the image constraint token till 2010 [slashdot.org] , it seems that HDMI cable or no, no one's likely to need it for a while. Should it be included in a $600 package and is Sony cheaping out? Perhaps. But do you absolutely need it right now? No.

Or... (1)

chaboud (231590) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044535)

Or if you want a digital HD signal going from your console to your display device. Considering that the display will take an analog signal and digitize it, an all-digital path is better.

Still, if you have a home theater setup, would a supplied 6-foot cable be enough? How about 3-foot, or should we push to 8? You can see where you'd be wasting a lot of people's money by including a cable that the vast majority can't use. Even if it would fit your system, you'd be in the minority for having HDMI. Yes, it's a $600 system, but I don't see people beefing when their DVI laptops don't come with DVI cables.

This is just non-story Sony-ragging.

Re:Or... (0)

pizpot (622748) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044968)

Come you losers. Get wide screen TV's already. I don't even have a job and I have a 32" flat panel. At first my wife is like "you don't watch our 12 year old 23" TV why do we need a new one". And I am like, "I don't watch it because it is crap and the high pitched buzzing hurts my ears". Guess what, the new one gets watched more, movies fit the screen and as a bonus, several of our scrambled channels are decoded by the tuner.

Why watch crap? That is what SD is. PS: get a HD TV that can scale SD to HD properly or you will not be happy. I had to return a $1500 LCD and get a $3500 one as I realized that the video processor is the most important part.

No, HDCP support is within the DVI spec (1)

maynard (3337) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044783)

HDMI simply wraps DVI and audio into a single cable. Many older DVI based HDTVs support HDCP just fine. --M

Hmmm (1)

TheRealFixer (552803) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044501)

I would guess they are doing this to please retail stores and cable manufacturers (*ahem* Monster), who sell HDMI cables at insane prices to people who think that paying $80 for a cable that passes a digital signal somehow gives them better picture quality than a $10 cable you can buy online.

Blu-Ray curse (4, Funny)

the computer guy nex (916959) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044502)

The PS3 is $600 for one reason, Sony pushing their Blu-Ray format.

Now they have decided to release this ungodly expensive machine without an HDMI cable, which is required for playing Blu-Ray movies.

So for $600 dollars you are buying something most people don't want or need (Blu-Ray) but still will not even have the ability to use it.

Sony has hit their peak incompetency? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044585)

As the old saying goes, a person in a large organization always gets promoted one position past their level of competency. That may have been what has happened to most of the permanent Sony staff within the past half decade. It's been nothing but blunder after blunder after blunder after blunder with them. It's just the sort of behavior you'd expect from a company where enough people have been promoted to position at which they're not competent enough to handle.

In the end, bad decisions are made. The responses to the initial bad decisions often end up being horrible, as well. Soon enough you end up with a project like the PS3, which by all accounts has been a disaster so far. And Sony may not even have the talent at this point to remedy the situation.

Re:Blu-Ray curse (3, Insightful)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044687)

$600 also buys you wi-fi, a 60 Gb harddrive, 512Mb, a multi-core processor all of which combine to give you a games console, multimedia and internet system that sits under your TV. The price isn't particularly outrageous for its features if you compare it to the Mac Mini for example.

Re:Blu-Ray curse (1)

jonabbey (2498) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044754)

Reports coming out of the PS3 launch developers indicate that they actually are using the extra space available, above and beyond the 9 gigs that a DVD gets you, to store high resolution textures, more sound effects, etc.

That PS3 is bringing a never-before-seen storage capability to console games does not mean that that extra space will never get used.

Re:Blu-Ray curse (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044790)

The PS3 is $600 for one reason, Sony pushing their Blu-Ray format.

I think they probably want to sell some games as well.

Now they have decided to release this ungodly expensive machine without an HDMI cable, which is required for playing Blu-Ray movies.

Wrong. HD movies will be viewable via component cables.

So for $600 dollars you are buying something most people don't want or need (Blu-Ray) but still will not even have the ability to use it.

You sort of made their point - for many people, the HDMI cable would not be useful. Its $20 anyways. All consoles to date have shipped this way; the composite cable is included and the HD cables are extras.

Re:Blu-Ray curse (2, Insightful)

Control Group (105494) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045018)

All consoles to date have shipped this way; the composite cable is included and the HD cables are extras.
Except, of course, the PS3's primary next-gen competitor, the 360, which comes with component cables included.

Re:Blu-Ray curse (1)

thatguywhoiam (524290) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045158)

Except, of course, the PS3's primary next-gen competitor, the 360, which comes with component cables included.

The core system does not include it, but yes, you are correct in saying the high-end X360 bundle does indeed include a component cable.

Composite or Component (0)

duplicate-nickname (87112) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044514)

I sure hope you meant it comes with component cables.

Re:Composite or Component (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044694)

No he really did mean composite (aka 'RCA' cables). Composite cables are still the default included with all consoles. No way are they including component cables with their consoles when they can overcharge you for a cable that isn't required for it to connect to all TV's.

Re:Composite or Component (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16045155)

And you could use the same cable for both connections anyways. Monster will tell you that this will result in great degradation and loss of quality, though it is very minimal at best.

PS3 - movie player (2, Insightful)

ConfusedSelfHating (1000521) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044528)

Wasn't the PS3 supposed to be a fantastic movie player which was a $1000 value for a $600 price? Without games. HDMI is being forced on the public because of the Image Constraint Token and Sony wants you to pay extra for the privilege. Maybe someone can post some positive PS3 articles in order to balance out the negative news. In fact, someone can just respond with a number of recent positive developments for the PS3. Oh and re-listing the PS3 stats over and over again doesn't count.

FWIW (2, Insightful)

greysky (136732) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044531)

This is what they always do. If they ship with the HDMI cable, then they have to also include the composite, since that's the lowest common denominator. More people would have to buy a downgrade cable if it came with HDMI, than have to buy an upgrade if it ships with comp, so the decision is easy. It may sound like they're being cheap by not shipping with both, but no other console that I'm aware of has ever shipped with > 1 type of interface cable, and since the units already ship at a loss...

Re:FWIW (1)

Garse Janacek (554329) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044739)

If most people would have to buy a downgrade cable, then why are they charging $600 for HDMI and Blu-ray support that most people will be unable to use? If you're going to charge this much money with the exclusive excuse that it's the best possible quality, then why assume by default that your users will not be able to take advantage of that quality? Doesn't that kind of blow the whole party line for why it's okay to charge $600?

Re:FWIW (1)

VanillaBabies (829417) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044919)

The Super Nintendo shipped with both an RF switch and a composite cable.

Re:FWIW (1)

bilbravo (763359) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045038)

It did? Man, mine only came with 2 controllers and Super Mario World.

Re:FWIW (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16045112)

The premium Xbox 360 came with a composite/component set, so there you go. Some precedence within this console generation.

Re:FWIW (1)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045183)

"This is what they always do. If they ship with the HDMI cable, then they have to also include the composite, since that's the lowest common denominator."

This isn't the first time in this discussion the "HDMI isn't for the lowest common denominator" hand-wave has been brought up, but I'll respond to this one nonetheless.

You're totally ignoring the fact that Sony is offering two models, and the $600 model in and of itself isn't supposed to be for the "lowest common denominator." If you don't want/don't need/can't use the HDMI cable, then you're supposed to be purchasing the $500 model, or at least that is what Sony marketing would have us believe. Those buying the $600 model are supposed to be the ones who can use that HDMI port out of the box, or at least they would if they had the cable.

This isn't about Sony being clever and catering to the most people, this is about Sony's right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.

Proprietary connector? (3, Interesting)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044534)

Several people have mentioned that you might be able to use a standard HDMI cable to connect the PS3? Is that really true? No console I'm aware of has ever had standard connections on the back.... they've always used a single proprietary connector, and forced you to buy a more expensive cable specific to the conections you wanted. eg. it's not going to be cheap.

Re:Proprietary connector? (1, Informative)

Sinryc (834433) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044891)

Ahem... WRONG! The regular nintendo has the red and yello plug ins so you can use a normal wire there.

Re:Proprietary connector? (1)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045079)

FYI: the original version of the PS1 also used standard composite cables to connect to the TV. this was dropped in later revisions, as its a lot cheaper to just use a multi out.

From the article (1)

jugglerjon (559269) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044539)

due to the fact that the majority of buyers won't yet own a HDMI-ready TV - and those that do will already have a HDMI lead anyway
If I'm going to have an HDMI cable on hand it will because I'm already using it to connect something else to the TV

Same as USB devices (2, Insightful)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044564)

How many USB devices do you know of that come with a cable? The problem, as I see it, is that first of all less than 10% of consumers are going to use HDMI anyway. Why make the other 90% pay for a $60 cable they're not going to use.

And for the ones that do use it they probably have some notion that whatever come with the system isn't good enough and will buy a Monster cable anyway. Or the one it came with won't be long enough, or what-have-you.

I have no problem with connecting cables not being included. It's a very customized component. No blame or ridicule here.

Re:Same as USB devices (1)

TheRaven64 (641858) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044578)

How many USB devices do you know of that come with a cable?

Uh, all of them? With the exception of some that plug directly into the port (e.g. USB memory sticks), every USB device I've bought - wired and wireless network adaptors, hard disks, etc - has come with a USB cable.

Re:Same as USB devices (1)

LoudMusic (199347) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044628)

... every USB device I've bought - wired and wireless network adaptors, hard disks, etc - has come with a USB cable.

Now that I think about it, the trend has changed. But printers and scanners and such used to not include such cables. I suppose cameras, Mp3 players, and hard drives I've purchased recently all came with cables though.

So I retract my USB statement, but I still think the HDMI cable doesn't need to be included with the PS3.

Re:Same as USB devices (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044633)

Not to mention that USB perhipherals use standard connectors, and don't require you to buy a separate proprietary cable from the manufacturer.

Re:Same as USB devices (1)

Volante3192 (953645) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044674)

Printers rarely come with USB cables in my experience if they can instead come with a parallel. In fact, I'm pretty sure my printer didn't even come with a parallel as well. I guess they thought it was a wireless printer when they boxed it up.

Re:Same as USB devices (1)

DrXym (126579) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044660)

HDMI cables don't cost $60 unless you're mad enough to buy a super-duper gold plated shielded cables for no discernible difference in picture quality whatsoever. A $10 cable would do just fine. Sony could probably make / get them wholesale for $1.50. Even so, if composite is included and works at the highest resolutions then what's the big deal?

NOT NEWS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044571)

This is OLD OLD news that was discussed many months ago during E3, why is it that this is the 4th or 5th news site that is posting this as if its news?

No component video? (1)

MMC Monster (602931) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044581)

It's one thing to have no hdmi cable, but why not component video? Isn't there some degradation in the HDTV resolution signal when using composite video?

Re:No component video? (1)

GrayCalx (597428) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044969)

Yes, as far as I know you can't send HD over a composite cable. You need HDMI, DVI, or component. And even then, pardon my ignorance, I'm not sure if you can send 1080p over component... very possible though i'm just not sure.

As a side rant the whole HDMI cable scene just seems like a debacle. $60-$80+ at best buy for a HDMI cable. I've found them at amazon for $7! Now, I'm sure that its a lower quality product, but we are talking digital right? Either it gets there or it doesn't, its not like the $7 cable sometimes sends 2s and 3s instead of 0s and 1s.

$920 for the package? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044586)

$600 for a console, $80 for a cable (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?skuId=790 0435&st=hdmi+cable&lp=2&type=product&cp=1&id=11492 06848144), $80 for another controller, $80 for a game and $40 tax? That is $920 just taking it home with a single game!

I am a parent of a household that has approximately $180,000 in annual income and there is no way in heck I am buying this. Any idea of how many books that would buy my child?

Does anyone else think this is insane?

Uhhh..yes... (-1, Troll)

Mdentari (979766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044693)

Playstation...hate.. Feels so....good!

Composite?!@#### (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044738)

A composite cable will not even support HD. Only putting a composite cbale is a very stupid move. The 360 standard edition offered composite, the premium offered component cables. That made sense. It seems really odd that Sony wouldnt go with that method as well. The richer people ar emore likely to buy the premium and more likely to have a HD TV/

Why is this a big deal? (1)

amigabill (146897) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044744)

My dad's printer did not come with the required USB cable, though the USB connectivity feature was made well known on the packaging. Sucked that we had to go back to the store again to get one, but this seems to be popular.

Considering how many people have HDMI inputs on their displays compared to how many people have composit inputs, is this really that suprising? I've begun workign toward a front projector setup for my home, and I've found HDMI cables are not dirt-cheap. While a lot of people with composite inputs probably won't get a PS3 until prices drop, a lot, considering how few overall PS3 buyers have HDMI inputs I'm not suprised the cable is seperate to try and save a few dollars on the retail price of the console. How is this causing people such a bad day?

P.S. When I order my projector, will it include the required 15' HDMI cable? Or will I have to buy that seperate?

I don't know which side of this one to take. (1)

ProppaT (557551) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044813)

Whereas most people don't have HDTV's and this would be a waste, the PS3 seems to be a waste to begin with if you DONT have an HDTV.

However, I think in most peoples cases, if they have the means to use HDMI, they probably already have an HDMI cable. Shops like monoprice.com sell HDMI cables for under $10, so that's not so big of a deal. Although, the majority of consumers won't know about this and will be forced to buy $75 ones off the shelf at best buy, probably more when they're conned into buying the Monster Cable version.

It's probably better for the smart consumer that this is left out, worse for the general population. Sony probably just doesn't want to include the cables to cut down on sales of overpriced cables. I mean, come on, these things can only cost a couple bucks to make at most.

From BoingBoing (1)

czehp (156215) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044893)

VIA BoingBoing:
Update: Dave sez, "Here's a company [4linkcomm.com] that sells HDMI cables for $4.49 for 3 foot to $15.49 for 9 foot. Quite affordable, actually, as long as you avoid the overpriced big-box store brands."

And in all actuality, how many people really have screens with HDMI? I don't yet but I don't see a big problem in spending another $10-$20 for an HDMI cable after spending $600 on the console and $1500+ on the screen. Hell, I might even be able to get the cable for cheaper if WallyWorld still has them on the clearance rack.

Sounds like the anti-fanbois just want something else to bitch about with the PS3. It's hilarious to me how the Internet can bring together all those people who just like to whine for the sake of hearing their own moaning.

Re:From BoingBoing (1)

Gr33nNight (679837) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044926)

First we got used to buying a console and not getting a pack in game. Now you want us to get used to not getting a cable? Where does it stop? Next we wont even get any controllers. We used to get two!

Belkin stock (4, Funny)

SQLz (564901) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044923)

Buy it now!!

New and Improved! HD technology!* ** (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16044944)

*user experience may vary due to lack of DRM-enabled display equipment, lack of DRM-enabled cabling, and/or due to vendor blacklisting of known pirate devices.

**Advanced Analog Hole (TM) technology fully supported out of the box!!!

oh dear (1)

joe 155 (937621) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044945)

I know some people are trying to say that this is better for people, but I still think it will be very bad for Sony.

If you drop $600 (or over £400 here) on a PS3 it will be because you really want the most amazing graphics and Blu-ray (which is pretty much all they seem to be marketing on at the moment... because its a blu-ray player). I doubt that many people who don't have a HDTV would get a PS3 because I can't really distinguish its advantages over the 360 other than offering a blu-ray player and maybe slightly better graphics.

But wait! when you get it home you find out it doesn't work like you were told/thought it would... some people might buy the cable - if I bought a PS3 it would be going back the next day

Watch next week.... Non standard HDMI connector! (1)

kinglink (195330) | more than 7 years ago | (#16044979)

I'm willing to put money on the fact that next week we'll find out the HDMI connector on the PS3 is non standardized, so you'd have to buy Sony's brand of cable only to use it. Of course that will only cost the consumer 99 dollars, similar to the Xbox's Wireless USB Adapter.

I'd make fun of sony but it's just another in it's long line of "screw the consumer" moves. All I can do now is shake my head and wonder when they will start medicating the designers.

Oblig. Xbox 360 Note (3, Informative)

Stonesand (922187) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045019)

FWIW, the Premium version of the 360 comes with the highest-end cable: it has component out, composite out, and optical out. A really great cable! :)

hmm... (2, Funny)

spartacus_prime (861925) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045047)

I'm more shocked that there are actually working models available. A few months back, a friend of mine who worked at EB Games informed me that every model of the PS3 that was tested exploded (or at least burned out in a spectacular fashion.) Perhaps this is just a PS2 with a fancier logo.

Didn't get one either (0, Offtopic)

KlomDark (6370) | more than 7 years ago | (#16045177)

Hell, I bought I 21" CRT from Overstock.com that specifically said it came with a DVI cable. Didn't come with one. I called Overstock and got a bunch of excuses, but no cable. Finally went out and bought one myself. Found that DVI only supports 60hz refresh. So here I am with a monitor that will do something outrageous like 130hz refresh with a VGA connection, stuck with a shitty blinking 60hz refresh. That was an annoying piece of education. (Yah, I now use the VGA connection on the 21", and the DVI cable hangs on the wall, unused, as the two 17" LCDs I also have on the machine do not support DVI, so fuck ya all)
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