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NVIDIA GeForce 7900GS Benchmarked

ScuttleMonkey posted more than 7 years ago | from the video-cards-that-don't-require-a-new-mortgage dept.

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Spinnerbait writes "NVIDIA has launched another salvo of more competitively priced graphics cards, this time hitting the sub-$200 mark. The new GeForce 7900GS is built on a 90nm fab process with 20 pixel shaders and 7 vertex shaders. The end result is that just about any medium to high res gaming situation can be handled with high levels of anti-aliasing and anisotropic filtering, while maintaining more than acceptable frame rates. Best of all, you can actually purchase a card in retail today, so this is no paper launch."

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no AGP :( (5, Interesting)

Ubergrendle (531719) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055321)

Given that this discount/budget card is intened for more casual gamers, its too bad there's no AGP version forthcoming. I suspect I'm in the same boat as many Slashdotters, having a hard time justifying the replacement of an 18 month old motherboard + cpu just to get PCI-Express -- especially since X2 AMD cpus are just now coming to the end of manufacturing.

I'm a dedicated ATI user, but I'd buy the best price/performance card for if someone was still supporting AGP.

Re:no AGP :( (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055338)

I'm in the other boat... I'm upgrading my very old motherboard, but I've got a decent AGP video card, and I'd rather keep using it until DX10 is out (even if it's 12 months), but no decent motherboards support AGP anymore. :(

Re:no AGP :( (1, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055417)

Try the ASRock 939dualSATA2, has an AGP and PCI-E slots. its cheap.

Re:no AGP :( (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16058094)

Technically redundant but I have an almost identical board to this for my new Core 2 Duo and it seems very very nice so far (although I'm not using AGP myself)

Re:no AGP :( (1)

windsurfer619 (958212) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055423)

You should then get an AGP and PCI-E mobo. They arent that much more expensive.

Re:no AGP :( (1, Informative)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055496)

Bad idea. Motherboards the support both AGP and PCIe slots end up underperforming in both. I had an article explaining why, but I can't seem to find it. This one does a good job of explaining how PCIe works may mention AGP PCIe combo mobos. http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/hardware/pc ie.ars [arstechnica.com]

Re:no AGP :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055590)

Really? how odd, I have an dual board, 3dmark03 gets 5305 marks and an Ati X700 PCI-E
And if I put my bros 7800GSOC AGP in, it gets 12032 in 3dmark03.

wheres this performance loss?

Re:no AGP :( (1)

BlueBiker (690984) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056653)

A native AGP motherboard chipset supporting a PCI-Express bridge will lose some performance when running PCI-E video cards. A board like the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA with only x4 active lanes will be bottlenecked by the bus whenever it tries to pass more than 1000MB/s in either direction where an x1 lane is good for about 250MB/s. Probably more noticeable at higher resolutions.

Re:no AGP :( (2, Informative)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055675)

Not true. Check out this review of the ASRock 775Dual-VSTA [anandtech.com] . The PCI Express Slot is limited to 4X, and it underperforms other PCI-E motherboards by as much as 10%, but it's usually closer. AGP performance is actually slightly better. It's one of the most affordable Core 2 Duo motherboards out there, and it can even use your old DDR400 RAM.

Re:no AGP :( (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056442)

But then you're stuck using slower memory, the board doesn't support DDR2...

Yes it does support DDR2 (1)

BlueBiker (690984) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056540)

Just not at the same time as DDR. ASRock site [asrock.com] And besides, if you already have DDR and then you buy this board, you're no more "stuck" with DDR than you were before you bought it.

It's a terrific board at an incredible price. The only reason I didn't buy one is that it's reportedly tough to install current Linux versions on it.

Re:no AGP :( (1)

homer_ca (144738) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056555)

Actually it does support both DDR and DDR2. Here's [anandtech.com] an earlier article comparing memory performance between the two. Almost no difference.

Re:no AGP :( (1)

Jett (135113) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055715)

There ASRock 939Dual natively supports both AGP and PCI-E and it has a riser card to upgrade it to AM2. Check out the performance comparisons - it runs full speed with whatever combo you throw at it - people have even gotten it working with a video card in each slot (no SLI that way unfortunately).
I've had one for almost a year now and it runs great. OC'd an A64 in it without issue - plays games at framerates comparable to similar boards, no stability issues, and I've got an upgrade path to a new video card and CPU.

Re:no AGP :( (2, Interesting)

Dr. Eggman (932300) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055368)

I am facing the same thing. Although, I've finally decided that I'm going to try Core 2 Duo over AMD's X2 when I upgrade. I was hoping to hear an announcement about the GeForce 8800GT and 8800GTX first, though. Supposidly, announcements about it and its support of Directx 10 (I hope) are coming out this or next month. Until I hear news on the 8800 series, I'm holding off upgrading. Hopefully, I can upgrade and get my PCI-x, dual core, Directx10 and Vista also supported in one fel swoop. So far, as long as I'm moderate with the CPU and skip the on board video, its shaping up to be about 1000-1100 (minus Vista, but why subtract 0? ;) All this hinges, of course, on the 8800GT being price in line with prior releases...

Re:no AGP :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055781)

Tempting to wait for the next gen (as always!), but I'm mostly just waiting for HDCP support...

Re:no AGP :( (1)

simp (25997) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055432)

I'll have to do a "me too" here. My current machine is fine, I got enough cpu power & memory, but I really wish I could get an AGP videocard upgrade. I'm stuck with a Shuttle barebone. It has done its job perfectly the last few years, but now I'm stuck at the end of an upgrade path. No possibility of swapping mobo's, no pci-e video cards....

OT video cards (1)

Oxen (879661) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055477)

Off topic. I am looking for a video card to use with my machine, so that I can do video editing with Adobe Premiere/After Effects. Is there a difference between a graphics card for games and cards for video editing? This looks like a pretty good deal to me.

Re:OT video cards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055839)

To the best of my knowledge neither Premiere nor After Effects offload anything to the GPU, so it really won't make one bit of difference.

Re:OT video cards (1)

Ilgaz (86384) | more than 7 years ago | (#16058215)

You should consider getting Matrox solution since Adobe Premiere and other 2d/3d professional stuff is their only focus.

http://www.matrox.com/mga/workstation/video/home.c fm [matrox.com]

For example they have 10/12bit per channel output cards having plugins for Premiere.

Re:OT video cards (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16058300)

Note that while Matrox cards are very well suited for audio/video production work (thanks primarily to multihead and discreet video monitor output abilities), they will not improve your render times for video since that is a function of the CPU and not the GPU. If you are just getting started, it's better to use what you already have before shelling out for new graphics hardware.

Re:no AGP :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055587)

Yes, and along with the AGP version, can I get a PCI (non-express) version as well? I need a good replacement for my 3Dfx Voodoo card. Thanks.

Re:no AGP :( (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16056049)

I have heard the Tn2-2 is a good card.

Re:no AGP :( (1)

bumptehjambox (886036) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055698)

I got lucky, sold my AGP 6800GT, xp2600, mobo, ram, etc. on ebay and upgraded to a 939 Opteron 148, 2gb corsair, and an eVGA deal that gave a mobo for free with a 7800gt purchase. With my earnings it really didn't cost much out of pocket (around $200+) and when overclocked it is an FX-55 crusher. I didn't know at the time how stupid it was to buy a 7800, the 7900 came out right after, but again- ebay to the rescue. I then upgraded to a 7900gt with minimal loss (maybe $30) and I was lucky I did because about the next day everyone stopped buying them.

Now all of the stuff I sold really IS worthless, but for a while there was actually a market for it and I cashed in on it. I'm surprised more people didn't get on that bandwagon, it was quite an oppurtunity. Little over a year ago.

Re:no AGP :( (1)

ClamIAm (926466) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056057)

With my earnings it really didn't cost much out of pocket (around $200+)

You get paid in leet hardware?

Re:no AGP :( (1)

the_greywolf (311406) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055740)

My boot hard drive died.

My raction?

I bought a brand-spanking-new AM2 motherboard/CPU, PCI-E video card, and new sticks of DDR2.

Oh, and a new hard drive.

Re:no AGP :( (1)

smash (1351) | more than 7 years ago | (#16058009)

Heh, in a similar vein, 2 months ago my power supply died. So i purchased a new mobo, cpu, video, ram and case (inc psu).

:) "Forced" hardware upgrades are fun :)

Re:no AGP :( (1)

zarthrag (650912) | more than 7 years ago | (#16057270)

I recently purchased an ATI Sapphire X1500 AGP for $149.99, and am *VERY* satisified. HDR lighting, 4x antialias on everything I play, best money I've spent - besides upgrading to over 1GB of memory.

$200, not sub-$200 (-1, Troll)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055323)

$199 is not "sub"-$200. Marketing strikes again! I was hoping for something more in the $150 kind of range.

Re:$200, not sub-$200 (2, Informative)

eln (21727) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055346)

With tax in most places, it's over $200.

This how these things work though. If they wanted to price it at $150, they would set the actual price at $149 and say that it's priced at "sub-$150."

Re:$200, not sub-$200 (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055367)

Just like at the gas station. Gas is now sub $3/gallon at 2.999...

Re:$200, not sub-$200 (1)

jonesy16 (595988) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055676)

Actually, according to the article it can be had online for $179 after a $20 mail in rebate at most places. The XFX overclocked version is the one that runs about $220, or $200 after a $20 mail in rebate.

Re:$200, not sub-$200 (1)

lgarner (694957) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055679)

I think $184.75 qualifies as "sub-$200", though the tax would put it over $200. Tax is part of what you pay, but not part of the price to the vendor.

Re:$200, not sub-$200 (3, Informative)

DragonWriter (970822) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055425)

$199 is not "sub"-$200.
No, really, it is. 199 < 200.

MOD INFORMATIVE, NOT FUNNY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055821)

Whoever modded this funny made a mistake, the grandparent is obviously an idiot incapable of basic math.

Re:MOD INFORMATIVE, NOT FUNNY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16056240)

The point is that $199.99 is basically $200. So removing
a penny and calling it sub-$200 is although technically
true, it's marketting at best.

If you see something that's $199.99 and someone says hey
how much is that, you say it's a couple hundred bucks or
one ninety nine ninety nine? No, you say sub 200 I bet...

Re:MOD INFORMATIVE, NOT FUNNY (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16056357)

so where is the arbitrary cut-off for "sub-$200" then? $180? $170? If someone then markets their videocard as "sub-$200" and sells it for $169.99, are we going to have a fit about that too?

No. Just leave it as it defined, where "sub-$200" = $199.99 and below.

Wierd Priorities (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055324)

So the PSP getting a classic game download service is not frontpage worthy but some wanker running a benchmark on a video card is?

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Re:Wierd Priorities (0, Offtopic)

Ant P. (974313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055815)

It is on the front page, and my response to it is "who gives a shit?". Emulation's been done to death on the PSP ages ago, and legitimate emulators have also been done before. Too many sony stories with not enough relevant content.

Does anyone know (0, Offtopic)

ClaraBow (212734) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055325)

what motherboards work best with Nvidia cards?

Re:Does anyone know (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055343)

nVidia ones

Re:Does anyone know (1)

triso (67491) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056330)

The best motherboards for nVidia cards are the ones with nForce 4 chipsets. Those also have a NIC and a sound device built in. Linux support is no problem either.

Which one? (4, Funny)

neonprimetime (528653) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055331)

Can you spot which one makes this card a hit?

Operating Systems
._Windows XP/XP 64/ME/2000
._Built for Microsoft Windows Vista
._Linux
._Macintosh OS X

Re:Which one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055510)

Can you spot which one makes this card a hit?

Operating Systems
._Windows XP/XP 64/ME/2000
._Built for Microsoft Windows Vista
._Linux
._Macintosh OS X


Ooohh... ooohh... I know... I know... Sun Solaris!!!

Re:Which one? (3, Insightful)

Vicegrip (82853) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055897)

You forgot: ._World of Warcraft

Re:Which one? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16057153)

You forgot: ._Second Life

OK OK, so SL is a CPU pig rather than a GPU pig.

OT: Remember that "Dawn" demo? (1)

erroneus (253617) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055347)

And Dusk and all those others? I recall that it was made to work on ATI stuff, but how about Linux? Anyone ever get that working there?

Re:OT: Remember that "Dawn" demo? (1)

Doppler00 (534739) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056496)

Yeah those demos were pretty cool because they were optimized for the cards and really pushed the performance to the edge. Your average game available out now won't do that, since it's developed for a mainstream market. It would be rather pointless to make a game only work with the highest end card, and most games don't scale very well graphics-wise.

question (0)

convolvatron (176505) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055388)

what do people use anisotropic filtering for? is that just
a funny way of saying arbitrary discretized kernel?

Re:question (4, Informative)

Sycraft-fu (314770) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055430)

Isotropic = Identical in all directions. An = a prefix meaning not, so anisotropic means something that is directionally dependant. With respect to filtering of computer graphics, it deals with textures that are off angle to the camera. If a texture is facing the camera (screen) it is easy to scale up and down in size and thus scale off to the distance. However if something is off angle, such as the ground, it quickly gets blurry in the distance with standard bilinear or trilinear filtering. Thus anisotropic filtering. When enabled, card perform special filtering on off angle textures that makes them much more clear.

It is a very pleasing effect, however it does require some power to do and thus can slow down higher end games.

Re:question (1)

convolvatron (176505) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055467)

ah, i see, by 'filtering' in this case you really mean 'sampling'

Re:question (-1, Flamebait)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055536)

No, filtering is a perfectly acceptable way of describing the process. ..but if you want, you can 'sample' my jizz.

This card was on woot.com not too long ago... (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055395)

and i'm really starting to regret not getting one - or having the money I should say.... They were 150 (incl shipping)... pretty sexy, needless to say they sold out before 6 am

Re:This card was on woot.com not too long ago... (1)

aetherspoon (72997) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055494)

No they didn't. I bought one of those (for the machine I'm building, so I haven't had a chance to play with it yet), and I made my order during the work day.

Re:This card was on woot.com not too long ago... (1)

Rooked_One (591287) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055880)

oh... maybe i was thinking of something else.... nevertheless i'm a bit upset I couldn't score one

Re:This card was on woot.com not too long ago... (1)

IdolizingStewie (878683) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056273)

Yeah, I bought one (my first woot!), crossing my fingers because there wasn't too much information out. After checking this out, I'm really glad I did.

Re:This card was on woot.com not too long ago... (1)

slaker (53818) | more than 7 years ago | (#16057522)

I bought two from woot. $285.
I don't even like nVidia GPUs. I figured I could find someone to buy them for the retail price.

Still, I did try one out. In City of Heroes, the only game I care about, it performed roughly on par with my ATI X1900XT (within 1 - 2 fps), a card that costs about 2.5 times what the 7900GS does.
Granted, CoH isn't exactly an ATI-friendly game.

But whoever ends up with those cards will probably be pretty happy.

Nice, but no thanks. (2, Funny)

powerlord (28156) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055484)

"NVIDIA has launched another salvo of more competitively priced graphics cards, this time hitting the sub-$200 mark. ..."


Seems like a good casual gamer card. Of course the NIC integrated with my MotherBoard (bought/built in January) has been good enough for my PC gaming so far.

Sub $200 is nice ... of course a lot of us on /. are saving up for a [Wii|PS3|XBox360]. =D

Re:Nice, but no thanks. (5, Funny)

Nos. (179609) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055541)

How many fps does you NIC get?

Re:Nice, but no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055558)

Seems like a good casual gamer card. Of course the NIC integrated with my MotherBoard (bought/built in January) has been good enough for my PC gaming so far.

What does your integrated NIC have to do with a graphics card? ;)

Re:Nice, but no thanks. (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055636)

See this [slashdot.org] .

Mac Support (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055509)

It looks like this is another one in Nvidia's line that includes support for Macs as well as Windows machines on the same card. At least OS X is listed in the supported OS's. Hopefully they will continue to bundle firmware for both PCs and Macs on the same card, instead of trying to gouge Mac users. Way to go Nvidia.

Re:Mac Support (1)

timeOday (582209) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055535)

I am confused by this. Is it Nvidia's decision for OSX to support a new card, or Apple's? In the past, Apple's high quality control has in part been a result of targeting only selected hardware. The more Mac hardware resembles PC hardware, the more manufacturers will be offering Mac-compatible products. Are they automatically welcome to do so, or can Apple say, "sorry, if you put that in your case it's no longer a Mac"?

Re:Mac Support (5, Informative)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055639)

I am confused by this. Is it Nvidia's decision for OSX to support a new card, or Apple's? In the past, Apple's high quality control has in part been a result of targeting only selected hardware.

Umm, actually in the past video cards did not support Macs for two main reasons. First, they often used ADC, which pulled power for the monitor as well as the video feed and which required extra work to support the power requirements. This has not been the case in the last several revisions of all macs. Second, the macs use EFI or OpenFirmware instead of BIOS, meaning the video card needed to support all three types of firmware. Older Nvidia cards did not support OpenFirmware which Apple used on PPC macs. Now that Apple is using EFI, Nvidia has released a couple of cards that use the DVI connector now standard on macs and which has firmware for both BIOS and EFI in the same ROM. It marketed them as video card blah for Mac and PC. Presumably, this card is continuing that beneficial trend.

The more Mac hardware resembles PC hardware, the more manufacturers will be offering Mac-compatible products. Are they automatically welcome to do so, or can Apple say, "sorry, if you put that in your case it's no longer a Mac"?

Apple is pretty open about letting anyone plug anything they want into macs and as far as I know have never locked out anything in OS X, except motherboards. As far as I know, Apple has never refused to bundle the drivers for any devices pre-installed in OS X, but should they not want to do so, the user would simply have to install them from an included CD or download.

I'm not sure where you got the idea that Apple was holding back video card manufacturers, but as far as I know, that has never been the case. ATI and Nvidia have both had Mac offerings for a long time, often with nothing more than a different ROM and clock speed, and at half again the price of the PC version.

Re:Mac Support (1)

gEvil (beta) (945888) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055895)

Second, the macs use EFI or OpenFirmware instead of BIOS, meaning the video card needed to support all three types of firmware.

I thought it was a matter of endianness, and not an issue with the bios/firmware. PPCs are big endian while x86 chips are little endian. Now that Macs are running on little endian chips, nothing special needs to be done with the card other than writing a driver for the OS.

Re:Mac Support (1)

99BottlesOfBeerInMyF (813746) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055954)

thought it was a matter of endianness, and not an issue with the bios/firmware. PPCs are big endian while x86 chips are little endian. Now that Macs are running on little endian chips, nothing special needs to be done with the card other than writing a driver for the OS.

I think the driver is the only thing that cares about that in the first place. I know there were firmware flashes that you could use to make a PC card work in a PPC Mac, and my understanding is they just changed the ROM to deal with the firmware and reset the the clock speed.

Re:Mac Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16056304)

instead of trying to gouge Mac users.

Yes... that right is reserved for apple alone!

Re:Mac Support (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16056519)

Hi guys, I'm Ryan Smith from AnandTech [anandtech.com]

When I noticed this in the factsheet today, we quickly dropped our 7900GS in to our Mac Pro to test it out. Unfortunately, it didn't work. We're not sure if it's a driver thing or a ROM thing since we don't really have the time right now to break out a ROM dumper and check things out, but at least out of the box you're going to be SOL.

Reliability? (5, Interesting)

ewhac (5844) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055661)

The 7900GT and 7900GTX were one of the most problematic graphics products NVidia ever released. There were hundreds of reports of cards that would display a garbage desktop, lock up or, most commonly, display "exploding triangles", all of which would seem to point to RAM data corruption somewhere. These failures even happened to people who were not overclocking their cards at all. The issue was so bad that one card vendor apparently shut down its customer comment fora to forestall any further reports of problems (I won't say who since I didn't independently confirm it).

There has been tons of speculation on what the cause might be (excessive heat, bad batch of RAMs, signal integrity problems, bad/weak power supplies, too-close-to-the-edge memory timings), but no concrete explanations from anyone.

I personally bumped into this. I built a brand new rig for myself about four months ago, and gave it an NVidia 7900GT made by eVGA. It wasn't long before stuttering graphics and exploding triangles showed up. Happily, eVGA were very committed to their product, and cross-shipped a replacement which, so far, has worked almost entirely without incident. It's my understanding that customers of competing board vendors have not been so lucky.

So whenever I see a review of the latest NVidia product, I'm afraid my first question is no longer, "How fast is it?" but, "How reliable is it?" I think burn-in tests should become a standard part of a reviewer's benchmark suite.

Schwab

Re:Reliability? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055789)

The 7900GT's you were speaking of were plagued with bad memory chips. eVga then replaced those cards and released the "fixed" version for sale of which I have one. They were upfront about it, and replaced any bad cards quickly.

Re:Reliability? (1)

ewhac (5844) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055932)

Yes, but there was about a three month interval before eVGA issued the statement. And even after that, people were/are still reporting problems with their replacement cards, suggesting that there's more here than just flaky RAM.

My own card behaves itself 99.999% of the time. But every so often I notice a wayward triangle (which disappears quickly). My machine is stock; nothing is overclocked beyond how it arrived from the factory. This suggests to me that the card is still flirting with a hairy edge somewhere, and that makes me uncomfortable.

eVGA indeed has been very responsive and forthright; I'm pleased I selected them.

Schwab

Re:Reliability vs overclocking? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16055846)

I stopped reading at:
These failures even happened to people who were not overclocking their cards at all.

Sorry, but I was taking you seriously until you revealed that this is mostly a problem for overclockers. Come back with cold, hard facts about unmodified 7900s (please exclude all anecdotal evidence and data about overclocked cards). Hint: If you want anyone to pay attention (nVidia included), don't ever speak of overclocking when you talk about reliability problems. There's a REASON chips are rated at a given speed. If you choose to ignore the rating, you lose warranty, support and credibility.

Same for eVGA 6800 GS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16056468)

Exploding triangles... last weekend it got so bad it was happening on all games. I checked and sure enough, even the PCB was getting warm and I'd done about all I could think of to keep the card cool. So the card was literally frying itself to death. Months of research on the web seeing lots of similar complaints but no solutions. Recently I found a post that pointed out the specific two chips that are the cause (see http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?act=Attach&type =post&id=2222 [nvidia.com] for an example of triangles). They were overclocked in manufacture, *but* not the rest of the card. Which explains to me why others complained about their replacements. Well, I've finally chucked it.

Goodbye eVGA! You killed your brand equity to me.

Re:Same for eVGA 6800 GS (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16056516)

and looking at the other responses, I'd like to add that I do no overclocking, replaced the powersupply, etc. No doubt the real problem with eVGA 7900's was the same as 6800's - eVGA trying to make their specs look just a tad bit better than the Nvidia reference board by overclocking parts of it in the manufacture.

If some eVGA fanboi wants to call me off-base or ignorant, go ahead. I'm not impressed by replacements of a bad video card with another bad video card.

Confusion (0)

rahulkool (927588) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055751)

looks like Nvidia has nothing new in their bag. the 7 series was based on the earlier series and they revised it by just shrinking it to 90nm ..... now they are doin nothing more than manupulating the older cards. i don't see a point in launching this card. they have already many versions of 7900 series. this only confuses the customer. they have launched 7950GT which is lower version than 7900GTX , i think they sud hire some more people to just name their models.

This is great for the low end gamers (1)

LatexBendyMan (989778) | more than 7 years ago | (#16055999)

This card should have a smash hit with the casual low end gamers, But with the G80 right around the corner (Maybe a month or so) and the only card in Nvidia's lineup to support DX10 who would want to actually spend the money on this card now? Think I'll pass on this one and save my money...

Review lacks scope (4, Insightful)

crabpeople (720852) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056118)

I have a geforce 6800 GT which i purchased around this time last year. Would it be so much to ask that they append reviews of older cards, 1 or perhaps 2 years back, so that we can see where our cards would rank in relation to the new shit? I would really like to know if there has been a significant performance increase so that what is now a budget card, could outperform my one year old highend card.

If any reviewer is reading this please please put more context in the form of older models into your reviews. Comparing them against the current mid/high range cards does nothing for someone who doesnt obsessively follow video card benchmarks.

Re:Review lacks scope (1)

hurfy (735314) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056342)

Agreed

I have no idea how all the newer cards relate to one another.

Was the 6800 Gt better than the 6800 GS and has now been replaced by a 7xxx YY ? Just trying to look up yours i saw: 6800 GS Extreme, 6800 Extreme, 6800 XT and something else, but no more 6800 GT, How many of those are the same? Which is better? Heck i cant get the sequence of one manufacturer figured out much less compare to the other :(

Now i just wait until i KNOW mine is too old (that would be NOW!) and find one at about $150-200 (prices used to skyrocket after $200) so this is right in my sights anyways. I just assume the prices are pretty comparable to performance. If i recognize one card as newer it gets the edge.

Too bad i need a new box now also before i upgrade the video :(

Re:Review lacks scope (2, Informative)

jambarama (784670) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056450)

Techarp has a great comparison [techarp.com] between just about every major video card ever from just about every major video card maker ever. The 7900GS included. The format of the comparison (images) is terrible since you can't search through, but it is a pretty sweet chart. The comparison is more a technical one than a performance one, so take it with a grain of salt, but here are the results for a few cards.

Name_of_Card____Vertex_Pipelines___Textures/Cloc k____Core_Speed___Memory_Bandwidth
GeForce_7900GS________7______________20_________ __450mhz_________42.2_GB/s
GeForce_7800GT________7______________20_________ __400mhz_________32.0_GB/s
Geforce_6800GT_________6______________16________ ___350mhz_________32.0_GB/s
GeForce_6600GT________3______________8__________ __500mhz_________16.0_GB/s

On this site there are a lot of other important stats - memory clockspeed, pixel shader version, bus speeds & interfaces.

PS Sorry for the fugly formatting

Re:Review lacks scope (3, Informative)

greg1104 (461138) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056455)

The review at Anandtech [anandtech.com] includes benchmarks against cards going back to the 6600/6800 era.

Re:Review lacks scope (1)

TomHandy (578620) | more than 7 years ago | (#16057034)

Hrmm, I see they include the 6800GS and the 6600GT. Where does the 6800GT fit on those AnandTech benchmarks (that is, which card would it be most comparable to)?

Re:Review lacks scope (1)

greg1104 (461138) | more than 7 years ago | (#16057527)

If you look at benchmarks comparing the two, the 6800GT performs essentially the same as the later 6800GS.

beats a PS3 (1)

joe_schmoe_the_geek (1000927) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056270)

I'd rather spend $200 on a graphics card like this than $600 on a console. My money is on Toshiba's HD-DVD being the industry standard, not Blue Ray. $175 for the Wii wouldn't be too bad though. They should just put the Wii on an internal PC card and cut the price $100 if they want to sell more games. Sony is obviously under the delusion that the whole world will wait on PS3 because the Japanese have boycotted the "foreign devil's" Xbox 360. They're wrong. People will be buying some combination of Xbox 360's, Wii's, PC upgrades or new PC's this Christmas, not waiting on the overgrown console and the new betamax of DVD to arrive.

drivers for OSS (1)

dru (4742) | more than 7 years ago | (#16056689)

For me, the next card I select will be chosen more for the availability & functionality of open source drivers, rather than the raw speed of the chip itself.

I've just spent too much time trying to configure a Matrox G550 and a Nvidia Quadro 280 to deal nicely with dual-head. Both are busted with recent releases (6.8, 6.9) of Xorg.

This card was on Woot! for $150 a while ago (1)

Dr. Spork (142693) | more than 7 years ago | (#16057022)

A friend of mine bought this card from Woot! [woot.com] for $150. It got shipped in a brown box and was allegedly Dell overstock. He had to take a leap into darkness because nobody at the time was allowed to benchmark the thing, but now it looks like a pretty good purchase!

Re:This card was on Woot! for $150 a while ago (1)

Pfhor (40220) | more than 7 years ago | (#16057554)

I got it from them also, it was in a white box with "woot" tape on it, and appeared to be an MSI pre-release bundle of some sort. Don't know where woot got them from, but it works OK right now (waiting for my pci-express power adapter to arrive so i can fully use it).

Going to test it in a mac pro at work sometime next week, see if it boots.
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