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Xbox 360 Core System Going to Japan

Zonk posted more than 7 years ago | from the have-a-nice-trip dept.

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Grooves writes "Microsoft is bringing the Xbox 360 Core System to Japan a week in advance of the PlayStation 3 launch. Previously only available in North America and Europe, the Core System will cost 29,800 Yen ($256), approximately 10,000 yen ($86) cheaper than the premium Xbox 360. They're also throwing in a few games. From the article: 'According to a Microsoft spokesperson, buyers of the new base system will also get two free games for a limited time: Project Gotham Racing 3 and Ninety-Nine Nights. Microsoft will additionally announce the release of three other Platinum games which will be priced at 2,800 Yen, or $24.'"

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72 comments

Kakkoii! (2, Funny)

kyouteki (835576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066225)

Fantastic! Now it will cost them even less to buy a system they don't want!

Re:Kakkoii! (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066284)

Hey, if it keeps coming down they might buy it even though they don't want it. . . I know I'd buy a PS3 if it were = $100. . .

Re:Kakkoii! (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066359)

arg LESS THAN or EQUAL to $100. . . stupid html tags...

Re:Kakkoii! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16067611)

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Re:Kakkoii! (1)

interiot (50685) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066365)

There's a 360 in the middle of Akihabara for the japanese to play. It's free, but usually nobody is playing it.

There's a two-player drum-beating game down the street that gets more play than the 360.

Re:Kakkoii! (1)

LearnToSpell (694184) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066461)

That's hardly fair. Those drumming games rule.

Re:Kakkoii! (1)

AcidLacedPenguiN (835552) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067454)

to be fair, does anyone really enjoy playing the public consoles after the initial marketing rush? No one ever plays the ones at my local EBs and walmarts.

Re:Kakkoii! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16066340)

Yes, but the price is a power of 2 and is therefore acceptable, even if the product is not.

Re:Kakkoii! (1, Funny)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16066366)

Sounds like Microsoft's been improving their business model lately. Ususally they're charging people more for things they don't want.

Re:Kakkoii! (1)

andrewman327 (635952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066368)

This seems like it may be too little too late. The 360 has not sold in Japan and they are now trying to see if the different version will sell. Even the short article agrees with this:
Microsoft has historically struggled in Japan, and the Xbox 360 has not yet reversed the company's fortunes. Of the five million Xbox 360 consoles sold since the product launched last November, less than 200,000 have been sold in Japan, according to estimates from Enterbrain. Onlookers have wondered why Microsoft did not take the lower-cost Xbox 360 Core System to Japan at launch, but now they'll get to see if it can indeed spur sales.


To anyone else wondering what the core system means, I bring news from TFA. It is just a system with fewer features and a lower price. Honestly if I want fewer features with a corresponding price, I would just buy an XBox:

The offering effectively brings the Xbox 360 Core system to Japan. The (sometimes scorned) Core System has only been available in North America and Europe until now. The Core System is most notable for what it lacks, namely the 20GB HD and wireless controller found in the premium system (and a few other accessories).

Re:Kakkoii! (2, Insightful)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066884)

Xbox 360 Premium: Japanese price of ~$350US (US Price of $400)
  • Base Console unit with chrome trim on the DVD drive
  • Wireless Controller
  • Component Video hookups
  • Composite Video hookups
  • Japanese-D connector hookups (an HD connection similar to VGA used in Japan)
  • external power supply
  • 6ft ethernet cable
  • headset
  • 20GB HDD
  • 3 1month Xbox Live Gold Trials
  • as many Xbox Live Silver accounts as you want
Xbox 360 CORE: speculated Japanese price of ~$250US (US Price of $300)
  • Base Console unit
  • USB Controller
  • Composite Video hookups
  • 3 1month Xbox Live Gold Trials
  • as many Xbox Live Silver accounts as you want
  • Rumored that the version in japan will inclde Project Gotham Racing 3 and Ninty-Nine Nights
The biggest problem with the CORE version is that without a hard drive you'll need to buy a memory unit to save your games. Memory units go for $40US (no idea how much in Japan). The price of the harddrive alone in just about every country is exactly the same as the price difference between the core and the premium. So in most places it's only a $60 savings and you miss out on a lot of accessories you might otherwise get. Considering though that these are gamers that didn't buy the Xbox 1, so they don't see the savinging of not having to buy a memory unit. Also with the included games, it might actually do well in Japan, it certainly couldn't do much worse.

Re:Kakkoii! (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066918)

oops I forgot to add "external power supply" to the CORE list, obviously it include the power adapter as well.

I think it's important to note that asside from the usless chrome trim, there is absolutely no difference internally between the two versions. If you buy the CORE and decided to morrow that you should have purchased the premium, you can go to the store and buy all of the accessories that make up the differences between the two, and the console will look and function no different.

Are they really this dense? (1)

MooseMuffin (799896) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066270)

Cut your losses. They don't want it.

Kawaikunai! (1)

Square Snow Man (985909) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066326)

give it up! xbox360 is kawaikunai.

Re:Kawaikunai! (1)

kyouteki (835576) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066346)

I don't know, the system is actually kind of shapely. The power supply, on the other hand...

Re:Kawaikunai! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16068871)

It's "kawakunai".

Re:Kawaikunai! (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16079765)

No it isn't. You only remove the final I of Kawaii. Don't pretend to know more than you do.

To late (1)

Mdentari (979766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066367)

PS3 will be putting the last nails in the Xbox 360's coffin no matter what the MS and the MS Fanbois think. There is no other way around it.

Re:To late (1, Troll)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066391)

Wii, maybe But the PS3 has to get nails out of it's own DRM, overpriced, overdelayed, and downgraded performance infected self before it can think of doing that to the XBox 360

Re:To late (1)

Mdentari (979766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067505)

Come on. We know thats not going to happen no matter how angry you get. This round is already over.

Re:To late (1)

jimstapleton (999106) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067927)

we know what's not gonna happen? The PS3 getting the self-inflicted nails out of it's coffin?

Nationalism in play here? (2, Interesting)

Rude Turnip (49495) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066370)

Can anyone comment on the possibility that the Japanese simply don't want to buy a console from a non-Japanese company? I understand the level of nationalism over there is turned up to 11, but I could be wrong. Thoughts?

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

News for nerds (448130) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066452)

Yeah, they hate Microsoft and all things American. Believe me, all Japanese people are running Linux on their PC and browsing Slashdot 48 times a day.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (2, Interesting)

simcop2387 (703011) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066929)

please they don't read OUR AMERICAN slashdot, they went and started their own! http://slashdot.jp/ [slashdot.jp]

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

Square Snow Man (985909) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066458)

If you can't sell your products you blame the customers for not buying it, now that sounds like a upside down world. What could be the problem is bad marketing and/or not enough interest in the console, if a country is already full of hightech stuff and everyone is into mobile phones and you bring in another gadget why would it stand out? Because it is made by a company who also makes windows? I don't think people work that way, if you ever going to sell your products you dont just try to sell them to everyone, you need to know if there is interest for it. So basicly if you make a product and you are a big company that doesn't mean everyone is going to stand inline to buy it.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16066557)

That has been beaten up to death already.

First, if nationalism was the key reason for Microsoft's failure to make an impact with their console, Macs and iPods wouldn't be flying of the shelves there. We're talking about the land of the walkman! A lack of (good) games of the genre the like over there (read: RPGs) is a much more likely explanation.

Second, while the situation in Japan is well known, it seems to have escaped everybody that the 360 sales are also less than impressive in Europe. In fact the only 2 countries where the 360 has good market penetration are the US and the UK. And that's it.

Altogether, this point to a second explanation: the first mover advantage doesn't exist. People are just waiting to see what the others are coming up with (we might know all about the trainwreck that the PS3 look like - which it may not be, the general public doesn't). Especially considering the price of the thing.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066576)

Can anyone comment on the possibility that the Japanese simply don't want to buy a console from a non-Japanese company? I understand the level of nationalism over there is turned up to 11, but I could be wrong. Thoughts?
I think the problem is that Microsoft doesn't make a console that many Japanese people want. They make this huge bulky thing, when Japanese like their tiny electronics for their tiny apartments, and they don't put nearly enough Japanese-style games on it and the Japanese do not like American games nearly as much as Americans like Japanese games. The original XBox was worse than the 360, but they remember that the original XBox sucked so they're waiting for more games or price drops or not bothering.

So I don't think it's so much they hate the 360 because it's American, they just don't like it because it's made for Americans, and they're not Americans.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067038)

I don't think it's so much they hate the 360 because it's American, they just don't like it because it's made for Americans, and they're not Americans.
I couldn't agree more. There are plenty of examples of American products that do well in Japan, the iPod is probably the most popular example. If they hated non-Japanese culture so much then they probably wouldn't go around wearing close with English text all over it. The problem is that most foreign companies simply don't understand the Japanese market well enough to make the products that appeal to the Japanese. Heck even Japanese companies have trouble selling products in Japan sometimes. Heck, the Genesis/Megadrive sold like total crap over there, despite the fact that it did fairly well in the US and Europe.

Speaking to people I know in Japan the console just isn't advertised at all, hardly anyone knows the console exists and those that do don't know anything about it. Not to mention the launch there was the biggest flop I can think of with such notable titles as TETRIS and NFSMW (yes I'm sure the Japanese would like to buy a game were white-trash Americans take a dump on their car culture). At least now they're starting to have a decent amount of games available but if no one knows about it then no one is going to buy them.

Basically my impression is the Xbox 1 was just a poor product for Japan, it didn't appeal to what the Japanese market wants in a console. The Xbox 360 has improved a whole lot on this, but the launch game line up didn't show this at all so MS basically screwed up the first impressions, now that they have the games available they're not marketing anywhere close to well enough, nevermind putting the marketing into overdrive to overcome the negative launch impressions.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067354)

Japanese youth are batshit crazy over American culture. New theory please.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#16068417)

Being crazy about a culture and having the same tastes as that culture are two completely different things. Last time I checked most American's aren't exactly crazy about American culture.

Someone being crazy about American culture might wear clothes styles that are popular in America, they might use English words and phrases, watch American movies and listen to American music. That doesn't actually change their personal tastes. Just because they listen to music that was made in America doesn't mean they have the same tastes as Americans. An American might listen to the latest Country or Rap chart topper while a Japanese person who is infatuated by American culture might pick up an American artists who sounds most similar to something J-Pop.
Not to mention there is a disconnect between what American culture actually IS and what other countries might perceive that culture to be, following that would be like creating some hybrid culture that doesn't actually exist.

I would think that if they were as "crazed" as you say they are they would be buying the Xbox 360 by the truck loads, or maybe MS should market the Xbox 360 as something that makes you seem more American.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

NemosomeN (670035) | more than 7 years ago | (#16068737)

I see it as being as simple as knowing that Wii and PS3 games will all be released in Japan first, while Xbox 360 games debut in the US. Also, the breadth of games for Wii and PS3 in Japan will be wider than the Xbox 360, since not all games make it out of Japan, and not all games make it out of the US. Japan will have more PS3 and Wii games than we will, and fewer Xbox 360 games.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (2, Funny)

Jaysyn (203771) | more than 7 years ago | (#16068504)

...American culture

I think that would be a great idea.

Jaysyn

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067565)

I think the problem is that Microsoft doesn't make a console that many Japanese people want. They make this huge bulky thing, when Japanese like their tiny electronics for their tiny apartments.

Then the PS3 is REALLY going to bomb.

Unless they buy them to hollow out and use AS apartments.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

_xeno_ (155264) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067568)

They make this huge bulky thing, when Japanese like their tiny electronics for their tiny apartments

It'll be interesting to see the Japanese response when the PS3 comes out (assuming it does) given that it's quite a bit larger than the XBox360. And thanks to its curved top, even less stackable than the XBox360.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

Elias Ross (1260) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066998)


They're happy to buy Mercedes and wear Levis. They go see more Hollywood movies than domestic ones.

Japanese just don't really care for the sort of games on the XBox.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

SSCGWLB (956147) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067002)

I think its a bit more complicated then that. From what I understand (which is very little) there is a certain level of nationalism in Japan. There is going to be a certain segment of the population that don't like white westerners or their products. This is hardly unique to Japan, many people root for the home team.

If I was in charge of XBox Japan, the areas I would work on are:
1) Games. Lets face it, Japanese like and play different games then Americans (or Europeans). ./ had a interesting acticle about converting Counter Strike to a Japanese friend game. I am too lazy to lookup the link, but it really illustrated teh differences between what Americans and Japanese like in a video game. The gritty, adveserial (SP?), player-against-player nature does not appeal to them. Anybody familiar with Japanese games written for the Japanese gamer would immediately notice the difference in game play, asthetics, and design. Looking at the current 360 titles, I don't see (to my eyes at least) a lot of titles that would appeal to mainstream Japan. I understand that Microsoft has some make by and for Japanese games in the pipeline, that should help things.

2) Image. Nintendo and Sony are household names. Microsoft either doesn't enjoy that level of name recognization or they have been pigeon-holed based on their past consoles and games. They need to work on that image.

3) Online. Online play is one of the strengths of the 360. It doesn't seem to be doing very well in Japan, They need to figure out why and/or do something about it!

my two cents!
~nate

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

twistedsymphony (956982) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067182)

I agree with points 2 and 3 but not necessarly with 1. I think that was very true for the Xbox 1, and I think it was very true for the Xbox 360 at launch, but I don't think it's true today. There are a number of Japanese specific games that have already been released in Japan that haven't hit the US or Europe yet, some of them probably never will and it's probably why you haven't noticed them (because they're Japanese only).

I think the biggest problem is, as you said, MS has a crappy name based on their last console, they scrwed up the launch of the 360 by having NO japanese oriented games (with the exception of Ridge Racer 6... need I say more) so it basically just shouted "HEY! We didn't change one bit!" Now that they have the good games (and I think the design of the console is good too) they need to work overtime to reverse that negative image they have. Though it doesn't seem like they're doing so.

If you're wondering about the kinds of games Japan has for the 360:
  • 2006 FIFA World Cup
  • Bomberman Act: Zero
  • Bullet Witch
  • Chromehounds
  • Condemned: Criminal Origins
  • (Convenience Store 200X)
  • Dead or Alive 4
  • Dead Rising
  • Special (Dynasty Warriors 4 Special)
  • Dynasty Warriors 5 Empires
  • Enchanted Arms / [eM] -eNCHANT arM-
  • (Everyparty)
  • FIFA 06
  • Final Fantasy XI
  • Kameo: Elements of Power
  • ZERO (Kengo Zero)
  • King Kong
  • Lara Croft Tomb Raider: Legend
  • LoveFOOTBALL
  • MotoGP '06
  • Ninety-Nine Nights
  • Over-G: Fighters / Energy Airforce
  • Project Gotham Racing 3
  • Project Sylpheed
  • (Pro Baseball Spirits 3)
  • Ridge Racer 6
  • Rockstar Table Tennis
  • Rumble Roses XX
  • (Samurai Warriors 2)
  • Senko No Ronde Rev.X
  • (Shutokou Battle Ten)
  • Spectral Force 3
  • (Tenchu Senran)
  • Tetris Grand Master Ace
  • (Toryumon)
  • WRESTLE KINGDOM
  • Zegapain XOR
  • (Far East of Eden)
  • EX NEO (Zoids Ex Neo)
Some of them are here in the US and Europe, some of them are in Japan and will eventually come to the US and Europe, some of them will never leave the shores of Japan. But I think there are a fair number of Japanese specific titles available now... the only problem is getting people there to know enough about them that they'll want to buy it.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

SSCGWLB (956147) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067720)

Sweet, I hope they do better. I knew they were trying to improve up their Japanese game selection, just didn't realize they had made that much progress. Now they need to overcome their existing image. I agree the 360 is one well designed (and executed) console. XBLive is well very well done, the controller is the best I have ever held in my mits, the graphics and sound are surperb. Without a doubt the best console I have ever owned.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067133)

I'd be more inclined to think the physical size of the console itself is still a pretty major issue over there. Even though it is smaller than the original Xbox, it's still pretty big. I have a feeling it'll have to be reduced to about 50-75% of it's current size and sport a flat casing instead of the current curved one so other devices can be stacked with/on it.

I imagine the PS3 could face similar issues if it gets released in that huge "george foreman grill" casing Sony's been showing us up to now.

While it's not a major issue here in the US, the Japanese market demands efficient use of space in the products they buy.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

Blakey Rat (99501) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067818)

I hear that explanation over and over again and I don't think anybody's refusing to buy a product because it's a few cubic inches larger than some "ideal" for that class of product. That smells of complete BS. I think it's more likely that Microsoft simply doesn't have enough Japanese game development studios signed up, and therefore there's not enough games that they find entertaining. They do have Team Ninja, which is a step in the right direction, but that's the only real step they've taken.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

Bones3D_mac (324952) | more than 7 years ago | (#16068782)

Sure, it's easy to think that way if you live in a country where living space isn't a commodity. But if your living space was only slightly larger than a closet, you might be a bit more conservative when it comes to buying large items, regardless of the "cool" factor.

Hell, I live in the US, and my living area is roughly an 8x10 foot room. I've already had to line my walls with shelving to maximize the effeciency of the area I have to work with. (My total free floor space is just under 3 square feet.) When you are living in a place as small as mine, even something the size of the 360 requires extensive layout changes to make it all fit.

No hentai/Dating Games (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16067458)

p0rn is the prime driver for any technologies.

Know your Otaku (as in Japanese nerds) customers. They are not into fps.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16068077)

Mod this person up... No non-Japanese console will ever sell in Japan... regardless of anything else.

Excuses, excuses, excuses.... (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16069171)

You Xbox fanboys really need to get over the REAL fact that the Xbox360 doesn't enough killer-app games to sell the system to the Japanese.

Re:Nationalism in play here? (1)

JordanL (886154) | more than 7 years ago | (#16069293)

I previously commented on this subject here http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=191234&cid=157 21690 [slashdot.org]

Japan has no real bias against American technology firms, nor American companies in general. The American concept of "pop culture" dictates a lot of what is popular in Japan, and the Japanese have no hate for American driven culture in the public sense.

Point and case: the iPod has been wildly successful in Japan, and is the number one selling MP3 player in Japan by a wide margin, despite the fact that Apple is VERY much an American company.

The problem for Microsoft is two-fold:

1. They don't understand the Japanese consumer. Japanese consumers are VERY different from American consumers. American consumers, more often than not, follow one of two basic buying templates: they buy based on hype, or they buy based on function. Japanese consumers, generally speaking, buy on these three principals, in this order: 1. Brand (has this company sold quality products in the past) 2. Form & Community (Will it look cool wearing it/Will I easily be able to use this with other people I know) 3. Function (Does it have all of the features I am looking for).

Microsoft fails all three counts drastically with the 360, which brings me to the second problem for Microsoft.

2. Microsoft faces a very negative connotation in Japan. Most Japanese people see Windows for what it is: a bulky, bloated, lazy piece of insecure code that isn't worth a fourth as much as Microsoft charges for it, and only survives because of strongarm techniques and an active monopoly.

I dunno... (2, Interesting)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066372)

Considering how technologically concious the Japanese seem to be, I doubt they'd be more willing to buy a dumbed-down version of a console that no one wants already. It will sell units because it's cheaper, but it won't be enough to give Microsoft a real boost in the market.

And even with this core console's price, it could still cost too much. The Wii is set to release with the price tag of, at most, 25,000 yet ($225 or so, I believe), and those Japanese have been eating up the DS, so there's no reason the same won't happen for the Wii.

Re:I dunno... (1)

alvinrod (889928) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066470)

Considering that there are only going to be 100,000 PS3s for the Japanese launch, it does make sense for Microsoft to at least attempt to sell a few more Xbox 360 units in Japan. The only question I have is whether or not any games that appeal to the Japanese audience have been released for the console yet? If the answer to that question is yes, then I think that Microsoft has a decent shot at pushing a few consoles. Then again, perhaps the average video game consumer in Japan is as anti-Microsoft as the average American consumer (as seen on Slashdot, Digg, etc.) is anti-Sony.

Even with the massive number of Wii consoles that Nintendo is supposed to have ready for launch (2 million worldwide) it's entirely possible for there to be shortages as well, especially if the popularity of the DS is considered. So if a consumer wants a next generation console, but everyone has sold out of both PS3s and Wiis, then perhaps they'll grab an Xbox 360, which just happens to be a little more price friendly now.

Re:I dunno... (1)

Kumiorava (95318) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066633)

Yep, I would think that doubleing the sales of Xbox360 is achievable goal. Unfortunately for Microsoft that would mean increase of weekly sales (first week of September) from 1250 to 2500 units. Trailing behind of 229k DS, 27k PSP and 22k PS2. Sad reality is that Xbox 360 sells in thousands when everythink else sells in tens or hundreds of thousands. In other words PS3 selling 100k in Japan means that there are about same amount of PS3 units in the market as there are Xbox360. And that is just the situation right after launch.

My point is that regardless of price the Xbox360 offering seems to be particularly uncool for Japan, shown by the figures above. I doubt that consumers will grab Xbox360 even if there is no way to get the next gen console. More likely event is that the consumer will get the PS2 instead, which sells 10x more than Xbox360 even now.

Some more info: http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?st ory=10796/ [gamasutra.com]

Re:I dunno... (1)

ElleyKitten (715519) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066663)

The only question I have is whether or not any games that appeal to the Japanese audience have been released for the console yet?
I think Enchanted Arms and Dead or Alive 4, and maybe some obscure names, are it . Dead or Alive is pretty much the reason why either XBox has sold anything in Japan. It makes sense for Microsoft to do this, at least if they can't afford a price drop, but I don't think it will make that big of a difference.

That's crazy -- their loss (1, Insightful)

daniel422 (905483) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067232)

Staggering. I'd hardly call the 360 a "dumbed-down version of a console that no one wants". It's selling just fine here in the US, and (at the moment) it's the best thing out there. It plays the most of the old xbox games and the newer games have some pretty good titles, too. Oh, and the "dumbed-down" interface and xbox live system is second to none. That I can start the thing, shut it down, check with other friends online, stream video/music from my server PC to any room in my house I've got it plugged into -- Microsoft finally got it right. So, no, the 360 is hardly a "dumbed-down version of a console". Your comments (and many of the MS haters above) show little experience with the 360. I'm no MS fanboy, but I've had a 360 since January and I get more impressed with the interface and useability each time I use it. Not quite as usefull as a modded xbox, but nearly so, with very nice user interface. The wireless controls are exceptional. As for "technologically concious" -- the Japanese like their electronics, but god help me no Sony 200 button remote is good design -- and you can't convince me ANYONE wants that. Yet the Japanese buy it anyway -- why? The xbox360 features both a high level of technology and good design. If more Japan-only games were developed there would be no excuse for not having higher sales figures
Microsoft HAS TO release it in Japan -- wether they want it or not. A market boost is almost irrelevant -- they need to get it IN the market. I think the previous revolt against the xbox in Japan was enough to show the Japanese bias. No Japanese style games? -- GET A JAPANESE DEVELOPER TO MAKE SOME! Come on! I won't argue that MS didn't have some PR issues in Japan with the original xbox launch, but the reasons that get cited (non-Japanese centric, not enough Japansese titles) are rediculous and easily remidied. There seems to be a lot of anti-MS bias in Japan (hell -- even here in the US) and they seem to take their electronics purchasing to a new nationalistic level. Don't think people really buy stuff that way? Know any Americans that will only buy Ford's or Chevy's? Yup -- I know quite a few that are so restrictive in their purchasing abilities. The Japanese seem to be the same about their electronics.
Then we're going to compare the Wii and the DS and think becasue the DS is such a hit in Japan, the Wii will be the same? THey're in two totally different markets! With totally different target markets! You can say the Wii is targeting the casual gamer much like the DS -- but I can't take it on the train, I can't take it on the bus, I can't take it in all these urban public transit places that the DS thrives on. I like the Wii, but I'll make no such comparisons. It's success will in no way depend on the DS or the market it serves.

Re:That's crazy -- their loss (1)

RyoShin (610051) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067346)

I'm calling the core system a 'dumbed-down version' of the premium package, which is all they've been selling since releasing the 360 in Japan.

It's selling just fine here in the US, and (at the moment) it's the best thing out there.
What holds true for one nation does not hold true for another. I don't know if you've seen the sales numbers, but the 360 is doing about as hot as the regular XBox did in Japan, which wasn't good to begin with. The 360 sold only half as much in the first two days as the original XBox did [xb360info.com] (and the original XBox only sold 130K units in the first two days)

Japanese figures for the 14th-20th [joystiq.com]

Personally, there are some games on the 360 I would like to have, and if I had the money I would get one, but the 360 is doing horrible in Japan (only slightly outpacing Gamecube sales, which are dwindling in the face of the Wii release).

Re:That's crazy -- their loss (1)

daniel422 (905483) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067630)

Ok, I agree with aboslutely everything you said in this last post. You can't argue with numbers ;)
BUT...None of that is contrary to my last post.
I'm asserting this is NOT because the 360 isn't a fine product -- even "dumbed-down" -- but rather because of Japansese bias against MS and American electronics in general.
MS had to release the 360 in Japan -- it's the gaming center of the universe. It saddens me it's not more of a success there (and probaby won't be), since I think success there would translate into a much more diverse set of games for the 360 and benefits for all. Stick a Sony badge on it and it'll sell like hotcakes. It'd be the best network and user interface Sony'd ever done....
Let's face it -- the 360 is what the PS3 hopes to be without the Blu-Ray. It's a full media center client, capable of streaming audio/video/playing DVDs/CDs/PMP connecting and plays games to boot. If it's not succeeding, why would Sony hope their new PS3 will succeed? It's got the same features. It's big advantage is that it plays the whole PS2 library (hopefully) and that it's a Sony. Oh, and it's way more expensive than a 360. Does this make sense any other way than to say their exists a Japanses bias vs MS?
Either that, or the Japanese don't understand what the 360 is -- and given their "technologically concious" nature I'd say that's not so.

Re:That's crazy -- their loss (1)

Manmademan (952354) | more than 7 years ago | (#16068695)

It's got the same features. It's big advantage is that it plays the whole PS2 library (hopefully) and that it's a Sony. Oh, and it's way more expensive than a 360. Does this make sense any other way than to say their exists a Japanses bias vs MS?

To be fair, in your entire post you failed to mention the 360 is the followup to a system that (for various reasons) did absolutely TERRIBLY in Japan. If a 3D0-360 or Atari JaguarStation2 was released in the US, most american gamers wouldn't go anywhere NEAR them no matter what the specs were, because the reputation of the preceding consoles was so poor.

As for why the original Xbox failed, no one has a clear answer but there's a few things that definitely stick out- The design was terrible. Nevermind the size, that's one ugly box. The system is also known for a Genre of games that simply don't sell well in Japan. it's #1 and #2 sellers are BOTH Halo, which doesn't interest Japanese Gamers. If you're a Japanese gamer not into FPS or Western RPGs (Think Bioware titles, Morrowind, etc) your reasons to invest in an Xbox are slim, at best.

It also unfortunately was a complete unknown in the console area, competing with an EXTREMELY strong sony offering that had launched a year earlier with massive amounts of hype, and a nintendo system launching at the same time with better titles. The writing was practically on the wall from the beginning. Microsoft might eventually catch on in Japan, but it's going to take a LONG time to change the perception of the average Japanese who doesn't follow gaming news, ("Another Xbox? Who cares, the first one was terrible! Where's the new Sony/Nintendo....") and just wants the next big thing.

Re:That's crazy -- their loss (1)

daniel422 (905483) | more than 7 years ago | (#16072929)

Interesting point -- about the failure of the original xbox in Japan causing lackluster sales of the current 360. I'd certainly agree that the original xbox didn't have a large selection of RPG that may have led to smaller sales in Japan -- but poor original design? The gamecube had better titles? You're losing me here. The original xbox design -- love or hate the case -- was superior in many ways to the ps2 (and gamecube). Take Live for instance -- the first successful console online component. The controllers were rock solid, and you COULD use it as a media client (although it's kind of a pain in the ass). The hardware modding of the xbox continues today -- it's the STILL the best(for the money) media client around. Games were good, but a lack of RPGs...
I love my gamecube, but I'm STILL waiting for good games that aren't designed for 6 year olds. Yeah, RE was great. Rogue Squadron was great, but the RPGs also were pretty limited on the 'cube. Not much reason (besides the price) to justify the better sales of the gamecube vs the xbox.
The other systems you list that were failures in the US were failures elsewhere, too. The current 360 is the next big thing (STILL a lack of RPGs...) -- it's a shame it's not catching on over there.

not a bad idea - why not sooner? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16066401)

From what i've read, even Japanese gamers are weary about dumping $600 or so on a PS3 - toss them a comparable system at 1/2 the price and that sitting next to the Wii (which that market will prob gobble up faster than any system in history) and MS could have a shot - shoulda done it with a free RPG though (99nites is better than PGR but nothing great)

also, when are we going to get $24 games in the states??? that would also definately boost sales here during the PS3 launch...

N3? (3, Insightful)

Sinnix (898301) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066482)

Ninty Nine Nights? That game was garbage. They're not going to convince Japan to cross over with that. If you're going to make a package, at least put games they'll actually care about in there!

Re:N3? (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16066664)

The Japanese love shitty games like that though.

Re:N3? (1)

KDR_11k (778916) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066935)

Only if they're made by Koei.

360 Bombing In All Three Regions (0, Informative)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16066483)

The 360 is dead in Japan. This latest effort is utterly futile. The 360 is sitting at an embarrassing 150k consoles sold after eight months on the market in Japan.

The 360 is dead in Europe. After eight months on the market the console hasn't even hit a million sold yet. Microsoft only shipped 200k new 360s to all of Europe last month. Europe clearly isn't impressed with the 360.

And the 360 is selling at a rate after eight months on the market in the US that is 300k units behind the first Xbox.

150k in Japan + ~800k or so in Europe + 2.3 million in the US - Microsoft needs a massive price cut immediately or they face going the way of the Dreamcast with the 360. The Wii and PS3 are about to hit the market and the console world is about to forget the 360 exists.

Re:360 Bombing In All Three Regions (1)

gabebear (251933) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066578)

Don't bring those damn statistics and facts in here. Slashdot belongs to the blogosphere and in the blogosphere the 360 ROCKS and the PS3 is Sony's greatest failure.

Re:360 Bombing In All Three Regions (0, Troll)

YU Nicks NE Way (129084) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067370)

Oh, look! It's the payed Sony Fanboi AC! I thought you had finally given up you astroturf campaign -- hey, it's good to have you back.

Loser.

Re:360 Bombing In All Three Regions (1)

Duds (100634) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067584)

If you're going to post lies and FUD have the decency and courage to do it under a real name.

Until then you're not worth dealing with.

God, the sooner Slashdot simply ban ACs, the better.

Re:360 Bombing In All Three Regions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16067830)

Your piece of shit 360 is a pathetic failure loser.

Ha ha ha

Re:360 Bombing In All Three Regions (1)

despisethesun (880261) | more than 7 years ago | (#16068379)

I hope the 360 goes the way of the Dreamcast. Then I can pick one up for cheap along with a bunch of games.

Re:360 Bombing In All Three Regions (0)

Anonymous Coward | more than 7 years ago | (#16069635)

Everyone's calling you names, but no one is posting different numbers, and your numbers don't seem implausible so...good job, I'm with you on this one.

Maybe it's because nothing about the 360 impressed me...when I finally saw it in person, I couldn't believe how huge it was, and I've gotten tired of games for 'gamers'. I did that already...shooters, racers, sports. If I can have more fun downloading true public domain freeware and playing the games I've already bought than I can imagine myself having with a 360, why would I spend $500 on system and games and start paying a re-occuring fee?

-different AC, I promise

Sega Xbox 360, Microsoft rebrands the 360 (3, Insightful)

ConfusedSelfHating (1000521) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066919)

Microsoft should make a deal ($$$$$) with Sega and call it a Sega Xbox 360 in Japan. Have a few cosmetic changes and have some Japanese engineers oversee the production of consoles sent to Japan. Japanese gamers may feel that it is Japanese enough to purchase. It is a very large console (until the 65 nm manufacturing sets in), but it is still smaller than the PS3!

Microsoft will have to approach Japanese developers who are creating PS3 exclusive games, but who are not under exclusive contract to Sony. With the fear of a inexpensive Wii and an overly expensive PS3, Microsoft offers them 1.5 x amount of money where x is the cost of porting the PS3 game over to the XBox 360. The developer makes more than their money back on porting it to the Xbox 360 and Microsoft can build it's Japanese game library. Even if this was wildly successful I don't see Microsoft building more than 20% of the Japanese game console market.

Has anyone else seen the ign footage of the Wii in action. It looks kind of interesting, but apparent from Red Steel, all of the games had a kiddie look to them. That WILL hurt the Wii among some gamers.

Re:Sega Xbox 360, Microsoft rebrands the 360 (1)

Mdentari (979766) | more than 7 years ago | (#16067026)

Genius! But from the start they should have said Sega help develope it even though Sega would have no input in it all then it would have a fighting chance in the market. To late though as it is doomed unless PS3 is a bad console which it won't be.

Re:Sega Xbox 360, Microsoft rebrands the 360 (2, Interesting)

Guppy06 (410832) | more than 7 years ago | (#16070631)

"Japanese gamers may feel that it is Japanese enough to purchase."

Are these the same ones that feel the Apple iPod is "Japanese" enough to purchase?

You yourself are perpetuating a stereotype that Japanese stereotype US electronics. Just accept the fact that it's the Xbox and Xbox 360 specifically they don't like and deal with it.

Re:Sega Xbox 360, Microsoft rebrands the 360 (1)

master_p (608214) | more than 7 years ago | (#16071015)

What you describe is the thing that Microsoft should not do. If the Japanese don't like American products, screw them. The world is not Japanese, as they are not American.

Microsoft should concentrate on bringing some top games to the console so the rest of the world buys it.

What microsoft needs to succeed in japan is to... (1)

jonwil (467024) | more than 7 years ago | (#16066959)

Buy up or partner with some companies making the kind of games that japanese gamers love to play (preferably those making popular franchises rather than just games in popular styles) and offer them briefcases full of money to make their games exclusive to the XBOX 360.

Well (1)

Sv-Manowar (772313) | more than 7 years ago | (#16071024)

This is a smart move by Microsoft, they know they suffer in the Japanese market place due to brand affiliation and they I bet they are having a whale of a time hearing about Sony's problems (Europe PS3 delay to March 2007) and now that can capitalise in Sony's home market. I definitely think that the PS3 will have a hard time competiting with the 360 due to factors such as the time advantage MS have, the cost of the 360 dropping over that time while the PS3 being priced out of it's own major markets, the online capabilities of the 360 far outshining anything sony have produced previously (along with MS knowledge of the web, unlike Sony) and others, but I will reserve full judgement until I have a PS3 in my hands and can actually play it. If I were Sony, I'd be rather nervous about the performance in the marketplace of their third outing right now.
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